Bjj is a watered down version of judo's ground game.. look up the video series of Kosen judo (its all in japanese) 80 yr olds making gracies look the fool. o wait kimura is in those videos.. the one that blew up Gracie's arm with an ude gatame ( now called a kimura in bjj world )
I've been training judo for 16 years i'm sho dan, i don't get tired of these stuff, as a partner in training i have a bjj practitioner, it's nice to have some randori with him, we both learn I personally don't belive that judo and bjj should be put against one another, they 're both magnificent and very effective arts, it all depends on the person who's doing it, sorry for my bad english
judo was founded by judokas founder sensi kano(rip) he took different jiu jistu schools when he was growing up to learn how to defend himself since he was was short and slim, thus he took hes knowledge of his jiu jistu and formed his own art which would later be judo!
the fact of the matter is that it doesnt matter what art or style you are it all depends on the person
@dannykinsxD actually bjj JIU jitsu came from judo, mitsuo maeda was a kano's student and he teached judo to the gracie family, i think you´re talking about JU jutsu wich was dangerous and ancient japanese martial art
People seem to be confused. Brazilian jiu jitsu is superior to judo in every way. Why? we draw from wrestling, judo, catch as catch can, and jiu jitsu. I'm not sure why judo people think bjj is just playing guard because thats 1 facet of many. I have a brown belt in judo and a blue belt in bjj.
I'm currently training BJJ. And I respect judo. One thing I like about BJJ is that even I weigh only about 67 kilos (147 lbs) I'm able to submit much larger guys and to defend from them. Like in my last day training I submitted a guy who probably was little over 80 kilos (176 lbs). I don't know if is it possible in judo or not and I would like to know. If someone could answer I would appreciate it.
I have looked at various situations an as I am a Karateka, I wanted to find something that was the BEST to "bolt on" to my Karate to assist with grappling. Hands down Judo came out over and over again as the best. Judo has no "strikes" as such so my strikes in my Karate wont need to be amended etc to fit into some Jujitsu stuff, Blackbelt in Judo here I come!!!!
@Dobbersky But Jujitsu strikes are the same as karate. I've trained karate a bit, and been to some jujitsu trainings and the stances, strikes and blocks are identical, except some different names.
@WarPig15 Thank you for responding, but my my style of Karate is Ashihara Karate and we stand and strike more like Thai Boxers than Traditional Karateka. Hence why Judo is much better for me
I think judo has great throws, but there ground game is comparable to a bjj white belts. When I was a white belt in bjj I sparred a black belt judo champ who out weighed me by 100 pounds, He haf strong grips & Im sure his throws were great, but he never came close to submitting me, I swept him, arm barred, and took his back. Also many judo players ive done takedowns with arent very good at defending against wrestling due to there straight posture.
@free2dj247 that is true but jiu jitsu fighters are so brutal that is easy to counter then, and next do a arm block. Judo is the best counter art. But thats my personal opinion. I like jiu jitsu too.
@free2dj247 i doubt as a white belt you beat a black belt judo champion. you do realize that the gracies learned everything from a judoka, don't you? judo is japanese jiu jitsu with the strikes and more dangerous techniques removed from it. and this video that you're commenting on shows a judoka beating a bjj black belt. ON THE GROUND.
This is not an accurate representation of Judo vs Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. First off, that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner is deffinitely No Black belt. Maybe hes a Black belt of "Brazilian JU Jitsu" seeing as how you spelled it in the Title haha. Any of my Black Belt or Brown Belt BJJ professors from my studio would tear these guys appart. There's no arguing that Judo has superior throws, but as far as ground game? come on guys are you serious??
@TenteixSaigo Im glad you found one example from 1951. BJJ as evolved a lot since then. How about a more current event when the gracies set up the UFC in 1993 to challenge the best fighters in the world of all martial arts and fighting styles with no weight class. Can you tell me who won? and guess what.. every victory was a submission... on the ground. Dipshit
@chadtrevor BJJ was completed for the Gracie family at that point. Here's the point you proved: A fighter training since age 2 will beat fighters who started 10 years ago.
@TenteixSaigo where the hell did you come up with the other fighters starting 10 years ago?? they invited the best fighters in the world from all fighting styles.. and your telling me none of them had been training as children either? haha. maybe they started training in BJJ 10 years ago cuz they realized how efficient it was, and that they needed it in order to compete at that level.
@chadtrevor They didn't really "invite" anyone. It was an open tournament, dumbass. People joined. Most of those fighters had only been doing styles for about 10 to 12 years. Royce started training at age 2. He won because of that. He aso took people where they weren't used to going. It's just that simple. It wasn't because BJJ was better. It's because he was.
@TenteixSaigo Ok so that supports my statement even further. It was an "open" tournament, meaning anyone can come, meaning it wasn't fixed meaning they would take on anyone who wanted to fight, proving bjj was the best. And did you personally ask all the other fighters how long they had been training in their style of fighting? and they told you 10 to 12 years? lol. And how can you say he only won because he trained since he was 2? mike tyson trained 5 years before he became a world champion
@chadtrevor This video just proved BBJ isn't the best. It's not the style. It's the fighter. He took people where they weren't used to, and he went there all the time. Since age 2. As I remember, Royce Gracie didn't win all his fights. He lost several times in the standing. That just proves it's not the style, dumbass. I never supported your statement. I supported my own.
@Bhomein try to drink sulphuric acid. i fucking dare you ... LOL. sorry man ... but if you are a wrestler and bjj guy that means that you are untouchable, right??? you must be some kind of a superhero ... :)
The dispute over what art is better is bullshit. I train in bjj, wrestling and judo and can say that they all have their pros and cons. Wrestling and Judo are great for takedowns and bjj is great for submissions, add them together and you have a complete grappler. I for one hate when bjj guys pull guard, to me it's a bitch move and one that didn't take skill. I wish judo was bigger here in the U.S but it's unfortunately not but wrestling is.
I couldnt AGREE WITH YOU MORE, i train judo, catch wrestling and I left BJJ as I feel i learned alot of bad habbits falling to my back pulling gueard every minute like a bitch. as a white belt at bjj i was struggling against other white belts, i learn catch wrestling for 3 MONTHS i went back to BJJ i was tapping the white belts BLUE BELTS and i tapped out a BROWN BELT im not knocking bjj but its just not for me, noW i do TRADITIONAL JAPANES JUJITSU instead. JUDO AND WRSETLING
I have a friend who has practiced every kind of throw and Kata in BJJ, he's good. I have done Judo for 10 years, fought for all my belts, done countless competitions! Who has the most FIGHT experience? Kata boy or me? JUDO is simply BETTER!
@R0bertValentinefilms kata in bjj?? i didn't know this existed? judo is not simply better than bjj. bjj came from judo masters and was focussed on the ground technique
Let's put the TOP BJJ guy in a street fight with JUDO OLYMPIC CHAMPION, and see who wins. You know the physical and mental power of the OLYMPIAN will win.
oh chill the fuck out hard man , judo is hard , brutal and is very effective and gets straight to the point , main focus is throwing bjj great on the ground and submissons
judo is more effective but to be oniest a bjj stands a better chance than a judo fighter on the ground . i am a judo , muay thai , boxer and bjj martial artist this is only from my experience
@sk8apunkgirl I think he reaching for the gi. He had a full guard, w/ a hand on the judo guy's lapel near the neck, and the judo guy on hand on hand on him. no sub there.
As a Judoka the guard is fin but I just do not like fighting on my back, too passive and in a real fight is just not practical,it has its place do not get me wrong it is just a matter of my preference.
@sonnych69 judo has gaurd judo has everything bjj has actually bjj is based and comes from judo newaza gaurd is left for last resort cause judokas can win by pinning so their ground is actually more better than bjj cause they are used to distributing their body weight like a wreslter so their no need to play the GRACIE myth gaurd game judo has the powerful subs to finish in any position why play that gaurd game thats graicie marketing
haha judo absolutely owns jujitsu- in 1886 in Japan the police wanted to decide which martial art to learn from so they called up the most popular martial art (ju jitsu) and the newer version of the martial art (judo). Judo won 12/15 fights against the most famous jujitsu school in Japan at that time and judo was a new and still developing sport. Also your story about the purple belt beating up the black belt is bull... how old was your friend???
@jamesyf99 You are ignorant on the topic. You do realize that JuJitsu isn't the same art as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Have you ever heard of Japenesse Jiu Jitsu probely not on the account that you made that comment. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was founded by the Gracie family, there master was a judo professional. The took everything they liked and added things unheard of. And the story about the purple belt could be true in the sense that the belts don't go hand and hand.
LOL! Refere: "Excuse me sir, excuse me, excuse me but your kind of running into the crowd... Excuse me, excuse me! EXCUSE ME! Damn it.... Well I could drag them to the center of the mat? HOLY DAMN YOU GUYS NEED TO GO ON A DIET!"
This is a classic view on the perspectives of grappling. I am ranked in Judo and BJJ. I started in Judo first and my Sensei would order me to maintain the top position no matter what. When I started rolling at a BJJ house my instructor would order me to hunt for the submission even if it meant me losing my position. Judokas love that top position and we love turtle. BJJ guys love guard and back mount. Definite Yin & Yang but the same circle for sure.
Respect. Those guys put in some hard work in that match. I lean towards Judo as my prefered art but Judo and BJJ are from the same family tree with BJJ coming from a ground work loving Judoka, Mitsuyo Maeda.
@abdullahabdulaziz1 sorry, i wont spend money with ya. if u wanna a chalenge, come to portugal... aand when u come.... bring a BED cuz u will SLEEP ALOT!!!
@LacosteBoy1 you live in portugal i its too far dude im a judaka +kick boxer+wrestler+vushuplayer and amny time i knocked out jujitsu players thats y i challenged
@abdullahabdulaziz1 ohhhhhh, depends who u challenge... i knwo some brazilian guys who trains jiujitsu since ever and i would bet 100000 euros for their win if u challenged them cuz i know u had no chanses. im not a pro.. im still white belt
@LacosteBoy1 dude actually it depends on the way you are trained im a boxer wrestler and a judaka i have knocked out many jujitsu players its pretty easy for me
@LacosteBoy1 I've seen BJJ dudes like u coming to my Dojo thinking they can dominate the ground. Yeah maybe against the new judokas, but when they came up against experienced Judokas who love ground work. They just got pwned. Embarrassed. . . they never came back again.
@LacosteBoy1 my point wasnt that judo is superior, i was making the point that it comes down to how good the individual fighter is. At the end of the day BJJ and judo are a set of tools and which fighter wins comes down to who is best at using and adapting his tools to the person he is fighting!!
@LacosteBoy1 Really then why did he lose to Yoshida, the Judo master. Gracie has lost to many people and there are some here on youtube. But he tends to forget that when you ask him.
@MrStathis77 omg... fuck gracie family.. jiujitsu isnt only GRAQCIE FAMILY... theres alot of great fighters who could never ever lose against a judo master. i can give ya some names if u want
@LacosteBoy1 shut up u know nothing man as u said ur a white belt... dont talk. bjj fighters are pussys who just dragg people into their guard cause they got no other skill than their groundwork. the people u mentioned that would smash judo masters is a fail cause half of them do judo eg. minotauro
@wo0oo1 stop blablabla.... bjj will always win against judo.. this is the truth sorry. if you dot like to read the truth, then close uself in ur room and create a new world for you.... but ur world will only exist in your imagination.. cuz in real life... BJJ will always win against judo!
@LacosteBoy1 proof? none reality is judo has already proven to beat bjj wheres the proof bjj beat judo umm dont think so buddy... everyone thinks yeah yeah yeah i watch ufc mma o0o0o they all do jiu jitsu must be the best.. i dont see jiu jitsu as even big if it was it would be in olympics.
@LacosteBoy1 hahaha see thats why ur an idiot ur knowlageless jiu jitsu and judo are both for self defence and they are both against fighting in the streets. u proved right now to everyone looking at these comments u dont know anything about either sport. to be honest jiu jitsu would suck on the street.. do u realy think someones not going to punch them in the face when they bitchly pull someone into their guard? no way buddy.. i think throwing somebody would be much more efficient.
@wo0oo1 u can watch on youtube... 90% of them jiujitsu always win... well, and yeah, my friend purple belt fought against a judo black belt on the street and won.
@LacosteBoy1 hahaha no 90% my arse more like 0% theres barley any footage of that happening because for ur sake i lookeded heaps of videos up and they were all in favour of judo... and yeah bullshit ur mate got in a street fight just trying to back urself up hahahaha
@LacosteBoy1 "Judo sucks on the street" LOL judo is very effective on the street ... what do you think will happen if a judoka throws your ass or your head and smashes you on the pavement, concrete or other iron railings ...it's bye bye ground game .... and every street fight starts from a standing position. you don't get attacked and spread your legs like a bitch hopeing that you apply your "bjj skills". Oh and by the way judokas are very effective on the ground game also.
The same can be said about Jiu Jitsu player's Naga Waza game. It depends who your instructor is. American Judo's Katomi Waza tends to be much weaker than those from Asia, Brasil, and even Europe. Both Jiu Jitsu and Judo players suffer when their instructors only teach the sport aspect of both martial arts. I understand Judo is defiantly geared more towards a sport, but as you stated the throws are devastating on pavement.
I train/compete in both Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Judo.
@wh1r6h1l Yeah awhile ago post WW2 the japanese police force had a competition between the top judo and jj schools in Japan to decide which MA would be the police's bread and butter for training out of 20 16 wins for the judoka's judo is devoleped from jiu jitsu but its developed so they have all the moves that are better executed by strenth with better position
@wh1r6h1l no need to rip on bjj. Judo is fucking awesome, one of the most effective martial arts ever. Instead of saying, fuck judo i can just stay on the ground, or fuck bjj i can just stay standing... Why not do both... You will be better off doing that than just doing one of them. That's why we have the concept of MMA now - learn more than one discipline to be the "ultimate fighter" lollll
it all depends on the individual. I'm a judoka, but personally on the ground, i like being off my back and grapple more like a bjj practicioner. Also, it depends on Judo clubs. my judo club emphasises 50% groundwork and 50% throwing
I say do both (if not as many styles of combat and sport martial arts as poss) and take from each what helps you. You can only expand your mind more and more, there is no end to the skill and techinique that one can gain from a life time of study and practice!!!
Judo vs BJJ,, which is better, blah, blah blah. They're sister arts! Judoka may not grapple as efficiently as BJJ. BJJ may not take down/throw as efficiently as a Judoka. Just different perspectives and focus of basically the same art. Anyone in BJJ have a problem with Judo? Go screw yourself. Anyone in Judo have a problem with BJJ? Go screw yourself.
@knownpornographer Not really. The guy on top has the dominant position. But, it can go either way. I think what you're referring to is the idea of the turtle in a Judo competion which is a defense posture taken. However in Bjj it's a mistake to give someone your back. In a non competition setting it's always better to be on top. However, it all depends on the artist.
@skrimpshidy giving your back is only a mistake in bjj...thats the point...bjj and judo ne waza is the very similar besides the strategy...for instance: a judoka dsnt want to be on his back where as a jiu jitsuka dsnt want to give up his back.... both are correct because the strategy is different. my point is that if both bjj and judo re-merged, there
@knownpornographer What I mean is in a competition setting. If a Judo match goes to the ground it's common practice to turtle. There's 5 seconds to make a move then both players are stood up again, and they start over. That's entirely different than a BJJ comp where it's timed and constant. However, in a self defense situation the rules are different obviously.
Most of the people don't know, but Judo has (if don't all) most of the submissions and ground stuff, OR you really thought that BJJ just created that just 40 years ago?
bjj vs judo is a fun conversation but did you guys realize that on the streets, your avg joe does not know martial arts and any blue belt judoka or a blue belt bjj guy could probably demolish that avg guy. What are the chances that the guy you're fighting is a judo or bjj guy? Many claim that judo guys are not as good on the ground as BJJ guys, I am not going to defend or attack that comment BUT one thing I can say... avg judoka knows enough ground grappling to control and win an avg joe.
But on the ground I think the same many people says, BJJ is a Ferrari of today while Judo Newaza is an old one, just because it didn't evolve as much as BJJ due to the olympic rules.
About the video, I don't think that fight is representative at all. Let's be honest, 99 out of 100 avarage BJJ black belts would win in a BJJ match against an avarage Judo black belt (if not more).
And the opposite thing would happen if it was a judo match.
Anyway, I think the level of a judoka on the ground depends on where he trains and his instructor. Sadly, not many judokas train much ground, just because of olympic judo's rules. But, of course, they have excellent throws, better than bjj, as it is their specialty. The same as bjj specialty is the ground game. They just complement each other.
ju jitsu such a gay style, getting the opponent on the ground and feel his all around... it will be a dishonor if a fighting master get match up with such homo fighting.
a lot of people argue about which is better. i don't think anyone can deny that judo's throws are the best. seriously just look at olympic judo videos & make the comparison. but on the ground this guy is holding his own & even beats a bjj black belt. i see so manny comments on how bjj's ground is ssoooo much better than judo's & when judo wins they just say the bjj guy sucked. i respect bjj's ground why can't you haters respect judo's?
Why keep comparing black belts to blue belts? Let's compare them to purple belts. Four years to judo shodan, four years to bjj purple. Who do you think is going to win on the ground? standing?
judo is the western countries concentrate mostly on the takedowns and they usually dont spar. i used to spar with a guy who is a blackbelt judo and way bigger and taller than me, not sure if he is strong but i just beat him on the ground with 5 months training of bjj. they know what armbars, chokes etc are but i think western judo clubs should also concentrate on some ground techniques.
@initdialog It wasn't a comment on the video it was a comment on what yuenj01 said in a post prior to this one. He said in essence he had 5 months of BJJ and beat a Judo black belt.
@daridp it is possible, a black belt usually is not as good as a blue belt on the ground, I train at an mma club with several black belt judokas so I know this, this judoka probably just practices his groundwork more than modern judokas
@marsy91 I have never met a white-blue belt BJJ player who could beat a Judo black belt on the ground. Half of Judo is Ne-waza, which means groundfighting. Half of my wins in Judo matches have been by submission.
@daridp Well, in my bjj academy there are several judo black belts and me (white belt) and my other partners with white or blue belt used to make them tap when they started learning bjj. They were tough, but not really good on the ground. Even me, with my 65 kg, could make a 90 kg judo black belt tap (and he is very strong and fights like his life is depending on that fight). They are getting better on the ground so it's not that easy now, just like any other with the same time learning.
@iglora Then they aren't the belt level they claim to be. It takes 6 years to get a black belt in Judo and it takes about 10 to get a black belt in BJJ. A straight out of the gate black belt in Judo is about equivalent on the ground to a BJJ purple belt. However the focus on throwing is a huge advantage to the Judo player. When you get down to it the majority of world renowned Grapplers have either wrestling or Judo backgrounds and add that to there Ju Jitsu.
@daridp Because of my poor english I am not sure what you meant in the end. I think the majority of world renowned grapplers have BJJ background and add Judo or Wrestling to improve their stand up game in BJJ/grappling. Not the opposite. I was in the ADCC 2009 (and no, ADCC is not only BJJ but it is supposed to afford all grapplin
Bjj is a watered down version of judo's ground game.. look up the video series of Kosen judo (its all in japanese) 80 yr olds making gracies look the fool. o wait kimura is in those videos.. the one that blew up Gracie's arm with an ude gatame ( now called a kimura in bjj world )
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01Proust 2 weeks ago
what do judokas do vs wrestling style take downs? double/single leg shoots, etc?
warwize 2 weeks ago
@warwize In Judo there are also leg shoots. Against a wrestler a judoka does judo. And the better fighter wins. The systems are both great.
01Proust 2 weeks ago
U have to know Judo came from Jui Jitsu not jiu jitsu from Judo.
And don't talk about brazilian/jiu jitsu that bad just because judo won!
ThaCalvin 4 weeks ago
I've been training judo for 16 years i'm sho dan, i don't get tired of these stuff, as a partner in training i have a bjj practitioner, it's nice to have some randori with him, we both learn I personally don't belive that judo and bjj should be put against one another, they 're both magnificent and very effective arts, it all depends on the person who's doing it, sorry for my bad english
mamoncojoR1 1 month ago
@wh1r6h1l Totally agree bro
zogfo 1 month ago
I practice both and I thinkj it is more effective judo bjj is more complex and long-term
T55MV 1 month ago
judo came from jiu jistu people!!
judo was founded by judokas founder sensi kano(rip) he took different jiu jistu schools when he was growing up to learn how to defend himself since he was was short and slim, thus he took hes knowledge of his jiu jistu and formed his own art which would later be judo!
the fact of the matter is that it doesnt matter what art or style you are it all depends on the person
dannykinsxD 2 months ago
@dannykinsxD actually bjj JIU jitsu came from judo, mitsuo maeda was a kano's student and he teached judo to the gracie family, i think you´re talking about JU jutsu wich was dangerous and ancient japanese martial art
mamoncojoR1 1 month ago
People seem to be confused. Brazilian jiu jitsu is superior to judo in every way. Why? we draw from wrestling, judo, catch as catch can, and jiu jitsu. I'm not sure why judo people think bjj is just playing guard because thats 1 facet of many. I have a brown belt in judo and a blue belt in bjj.
JiuDoRick 2 months ago
i do brazilian jju-jitsu
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castromiguel723 2 months ago
I'm currently training BJJ. And I respect judo. One thing I like about BJJ is that even I weigh only about 67 kilos (147 lbs) I'm able to submit much larger guys and to defend from them. Like in my last day training I submitted a guy who probably was little over 80 kilos (176 lbs). I don't know if is it possible in judo or not and I would like to know. If someone could answer I would appreciate it.
youderdun 3 months ago
@youderdun its the same as bjj, except that you can throw bigger people while your at it.
OVERCAPITALIZE 2 months ago
@youderdun Judo has the same principles of leverage, yup, it's possible you can throw and submit a larger oponent
mamoncojoR1 1 month ago
I have looked at various situations an as I am a Karateka, I wanted to find something that was the BEST to "bolt on" to my Karate to assist with grappling. Hands down Judo came out over and over again as the best. Judo has no "strikes" as such so my strikes in my Karate wont need to be amended etc to fit into some Jujitsu stuff, Blackbelt in Judo here I come!!!!
Dobbersky 4 months ago
@Dobbersky But Jujitsu strikes are the same as karate. I've trained karate a bit, and been to some jujitsu trainings and the stances, strikes and blocks are identical, except some different names.
WarPig15 4 months ago
@WarPig15 Thank you for responding, but my my style of Karate is Ashihara Karate and we stand and strike more like Thai Boxers than Traditional Karateka. Hence why Judo is much better for me
Dobbersky 4 months ago
Im Proud To Say Im a Judokaa..!!!!! Judo The Best..!!
AndroiidNegroloh 5 months ago 5
loooool , the refere chats with the bjj loser and tris to help him,with all the cheat ................... still judo wins
alyawara 5 months ago 13
I think judo has great throws, but there ground game is comparable to a bjj white belts. When I was a white belt in bjj I sparred a black belt judo champ who out weighed me by 100 pounds, He haf strong grips & Im sure his throws were great, but he never came close to submitting me, I swept him, arm barred, and took his back. Also many judo players ive done takedowns with arent very good at defending against wrestling due to there straight posture.
free2dj247 5 months ago
@free2dj247 that is true but jiu jitsu fighters are so brutal that is easy to counter then, and next do a arm block. Judo is the best counter art. But thats my personal opinion. I like jiu jitsu too.
Danieldx22 5 months ago
@free2dj247 i doubt as a white belt you beat a black belt judo champion. you do realize that the gracies learned everything from a judoka, don't you? judo is japanese jiu jitsu with the strikes and more dangerous techniques removed from it. and this video that you're commenting on shows a judoka beating a bjj black belt. ON THE GROUND.
eamonob84 5 months ago
judo does not suck on the street, just depends who your instructor is for judo, my instructor impliements real life situations and bjj with judo
UFC60hwm 6 months ago
Good fight. I'm assuming the the winner was the judoka? I'm only basing that assumption on his posture while standing...
asmitty1979 6 months ago 3
This is not an accurate representation of Judo vs Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. First off, that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner is deffinitely No Black belt. Maybe hes a Black belt of "Brazilian JU Jitsu" seeing as how you spelled it in the Title haha. Any of my Black Belt or Brown Belt BJJ professors from my studio would tear these guys appart. There's no arguing that Judo has superior throws, but as far as ground game? come on guys are you serious??
chadtrevor 6 months ago
@chadtrevor Kimura vs Gracie, dipshit.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@TenteixSaigo Im glad you found one example from 1951. BJJ as evolved a lot since then. How about a more current event when the gracies set up the UFC in 1993 to challenge the best fighters in the world of all martial arts and fighting styles with no weight class. Can you tell me who won? and guess what.. every victory was a submission... on the ground. Dipshit
chadtrevor 6 months ago
@chadtrevor BJJ was completed for the Gracie family at that point. Here's the point you proved: A fighter training since age 2 will beat fighters who started 10 years ago.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@TenteixSaigo where the hell did you come up with the other fighters starting 10 years ago?? they invited the best fighters in the world from all fighting styles.. and your telling me none of them had been training as children either? haha. maybe they started training in BJJ 10 years ago cuz they realized how efficient it was, and that they needed it in order to compete at that level.
chadtrevor 6 months ago
@chadtrevor They didn't really "invite" anyone. It was an open tournament, dumbass. People joined. Most of those fighters had only been doing styles for about 10 to 12 years. Royce started training at age 2. He won because of that. He aso took people where they weren't used to going. It's just that simple. It wasn't because BJJ was better. It's because he was.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@TenteixSaigo Ok so that supports my statement even further. It was an "open" tournament, meaning anyone can come, meaning it wasn't fixed meaning they would take on anyone who wanted to fight, proving bjj was the best. And did you personally ask all the other fighters how long they had been training in their style of fighting? and they told you 10 to 12 years? lol. And how can you say he only won because he trained since he was 2? mike tyson trained 5 years before he became a world champion
chadtrevor 6 months ago
@chadtrevor This video just proved BBJ isn't the best. It's not the style. It's the fighter. He took people where they weren't used to, and he went there all the time. Since age 2. As I remember, Royce Gracie didn't win all his fights. He lost several times in the standing. That just proves it's not the style, dumbass. I never supported your statement. I supported my own.
TenteixSaigo 6 months ago
@Bhomein try to drink sulphuric acid. i fucking dare you ... LOL. sorry man ... but if you are a wrestler and bjj guy that means that you are untouchable, right??? you must be some kind of a superhero ... :)
wh1r6h1l 6 months ago
The dispute over what art is better is bullshit. I train in bjj, wrestling and judo and can say that they all have their pros and cons. Wrestling and Judo are great for takedowns and bjj is great for submissions, add them together and you have a complete grappler. I for one hate when bjj guys pull guard, to me it's a bitch move and one that didn't take skill. I wish judo was bigger here in the U.S but it's unfortunately not but wrestling is.
19thaman79 6 months ago
@19thaman79
I couldnt AGREE WITH YOU MORE, i train judo, catch wrestling and I left BJJ as I feel i learned alot of bad habbits falling to my back pulling gueard every minute like a bitch. as a white belt at bjj i was struggling against other white belts, i learn catch wrestling for 3 MONTHS i went back to BJJ i was tapping the white belts BLUE BELTS and i tapped out a BROWN BELT im not knocking bjj but its just not for me, noW i do TRADITIONAL JAPANES JUJITSU instead. JUDO AND WRSETLING
imanvex 6 months ago
I have a friend who has practiced every kind of throw and Kata in BJJ, he's good. I have done Judo for 10 years, fought for all my belts, done countless competitions! Who has the most FIGHT experience? Kata boy or me? JUDO is simply BETTER!
R0bertValentinefilms 6 months ago
@R0bertValentinefilms kata in bjj?? i didn't know this existed? judo is not simply better than bjj. bjj came from judo masters and was focussed on the ground technique
therage001 6 months ago
Let's put the TOP BJJ guy in a street fight with JUDO OLYMPIC CHAMPION, and see who wins. You know the physical and mental power of the OLYMPIAN will win.
R0bertValentinefilms 6 months ago
oh chill the fuck out hard man , judo is hard , brutal and is very effective and gets straight to the point , main focus is throwing bjj great on the ground and submissons
judo is more effective but to be oniest a bjj stands a better chance than a judo fighter on the ground . i am a judo , muay thai , boxer and bjj martial artist this is only from my experience
MMAkempy123 6 months ago
JUDO KICKS BRAZILIAN JIUJITSU ASS AGAIN
marcosinemb 7 months ago
thats the thim the muay boxers like me...........are not good att goroun battles :/
bobosc20y20 7 months ago
Look at that dude pulling guard... prostitution? lol jk
OVERCAPITALIZE 7 months ago
Its looks like the judoka had a few pounds on the jiujista
lacedwith5hourenergy 7 months ago
The Bjj guy tapped out. Why did they continue the fight? Stupid ref.
LRkun 7 months ago
judo, bjj
same art different rules the best guys in Japan know both
the best guys in Brazil know both
for a reason im assuming
6ookstazz 7 months ago
whats the name of the song?
arkonastriborg123 7 months ago
WHY DIDNT HE STOP WHEN HE TAPPED AT 3:33 ?? UR MEANT TO STOP xd it means ur hurt i think???? lol its been a long time
sk8apunkgirl 8 months ago
@sk8apunkgirl I think he reaching for the gi. He had a full guard, w/ a hand on the judo guy's lapel near the neck, and the judo guy on hand on hand on him. no sub there.
jldii195 7 months ago
@jldii195 kaikai ^^ just wanted to kno :P i thinking of joining again xd
sk8apunkgirl 7 months ago
GO ON JUDO XD!!! ^^
sk8apunkgirl 8 months ago
the music is driving me insane
vainakm 8 months ago
As a Judoka the guard is fin but I just do not like fighting on my back, too passive and in a real fight is just not practical,it has its place do not get me wrong it is just a matter of my preference.
ElZappata 8 months ago 2
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Stop arguing about this. Judo, Jujitsu, BJJ, Ninja, Pokémon. It all depends on the fighter.
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stefantang 8 months ago
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Stop arguing about this. Judo, Jujitsu, BJJ, Ninja, Pokémon. It all depends on the fighter.
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stefantang 8 months ago
Chuuuuupa jiu-jitsu, se acham melhores do que qualquer arte.
R1C2RD3 9 months ago
JIU JITSU RAPPAAA!!!!!
alyssonjjalves 9 months ago
bjj dude tapped at 3:33
bkuddy 9 months ago
and stoneleaf wins :)
IceMunga 9 months ago
judokas dont play that guard game ,,,,,,,position control submit straight to the point and punish along the way.....thats judo
sonnych69 10 months ago 18
@sonnych69 judo has gaurd judo has everything bjj has actually bjj is based and comes from judo newaza gaurd is left for last resort cause judokas can win by pinning so their ground is actually more better than bjj cause they are used to distributing their body weight like a wreslter so their no need to play the GRACIE myth gaurd game judo has the powerful subs to finish in any position why play that gaurd game thats graicie marketing
sonnych69 6 months ago
judo will rape BJJ
kennypo77 10 months ago
@kennypo77 depends on the fighter
johngorgis 9 months ago
haha judo absolutely owns jujitsu- in 1886 in Japan the police wanted to decide which martial art to learn from so they called up the most popular martial art (ju jitsu) and the newer version of the martial art (judo). Judo won 12/15 fights against the most famous jujitsu school in Japan at that time and judo was a new and still developing sport. Also your story about the purple belt beating up the black belt is bull... how old was your friend???
jamesyf99 10 months ago
@jamesyf99 You are ignorant on the topic. You do realize that JuJitsu isn't the same art as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Have you ever heard of Japenesse Jiu Jitsu probely not on the account that you made that comment. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was founded by the Gracie family, there master was a judo professional. The took everything they liked and added things unheard of. And the story about the purple belt could be true in the sense that the belts don't go hand and hand.
stoneleaf23 9 months ago
@jamesyf99 there is a difference between bjj and jj you do realise, you are suppose to compare bjj and judo, not jj and judo.
They called them up did they? in 1886? amazing.
IceMunga 9 months ago
Both just shut up.....Dont youget tired of arguing for so long over the internet?
143lalalaloveyou 10 months ago
LOL! Refere: "Excuse me sir, excuse me, excuse me but your kind of running into the crowd... Excuse me, excuse me! EXCUSE ME! Damn it.... Well I could drag them to the center of the mat? HOLY DAMN YOU GUYS NEED TO GO ON A DIET!"
ValkyereHowie 1 year ago
the problem is not the martial art but yourself!
patrickz218 1 year ago
This is a classic view on the perspectives of grappling. I am ranked in Judo and BJJ. I started in Judo first and my Sensei would order me to maintain the top position no matter what. When I started rolling at a BJJ house my instructor would order me to hunt for the submission even if it meant me losing my position. Judokas love that top position and we love turtle. BJJ guys love guard and back mount. Definite Yin & Yang but the same circle for sure.
wolfhammer2010 1 year ago
Well thats some boring shit to watch.
shredicon86 1 year ago
@shredicon86 It's boring to you because you don't know a fucking thing about ground grappling or fighting.
khalsasikh 9 months ago
this music is retarded but nice roll
thepushfitzy 1 year ago
was that a chokehold the judoka used? how is it called?
ThomasMin1988 1 year ago
@ThomasMin1988 looks like some sort of lapel choke
Spoonher41 1 year ago
I was at this tournament. The BJJ'er is Mica Cipili and I believe they called the Judoka, Taka. This match is circa 2000-01.
suprememathematics 1 year ago
hehe, pause it at 1 minute and 16 seconds, , i think the judo guy shit himself
Shadowx209 1 year ago
Respect. Those guys put in some hard work in that match. I lean towards Judo as my prefered art but Judo and BJJ are from the same family tree with BJJ coming from a ground work loving Judoka, Mitsuyo Maeda.
JudgedInBlood 1 year ago
judo wins!
DikkiSeamen 1 year ago
mother fucking raffree is standing in between
abdullahabdulaziz1 1 year ago
kata ha jime
docteuralndnkreve 1 year ago
Please do some research about judo ground fight before make further comments.
richolss 1 year ago
@richolss JUDO sucks balls.. im a white jiujitsu belt and i won a judo blue belt...
judo suck balls...
LacosteBoy1 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 ha so come on im challenging you now show me what you have got contact me +919989252928
abdullahabdulaziz1 1 year ago
@abdullahabdulaziz1 sorry, i wont spend money with ya. if u wanna a chalenge, come to portugal... aand when u come.... bring a BED cuz u will SLEEP ALOT!!!
LacosteBoy1 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 you live in portugal i its too far dude im a judaka +kick boxer+wrestler+vushuplayer and amny time i knocked out jujitsu players thats y i challenged
abdullahabdulaziz1 1 year ago
@abdullahabdulaziz1 ohhhhhh, depends who u challenge... i knwo some brazilian guys who trains jiujitsu since ever and i would bet 100000 euros for their win if u challenged them cuz i know u had no chanses. im not a pro.. im still white belt
LacosteBoy1 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 dude actually it depends on the way you are trained im a boxer wrestler and a judaka i have knocked out many jujitsu players its pretty easy for me
abdullahabdulaziz1 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 I've seen BJJ dudes like u coming to my Dojo thinking they can dominate the ground. Yeah maybe against the new judokas, but when they came up against experienced Judokas who love ground work. They just got pwned. Embarrassed. . . they never came back again.
frostymourne 1 year ago
@frostymourne haha jacare, roger gracie, marcelo garcia, ricardo arona and some other fighters could beat ANY JUDO FIGHTER!
LacosteBoy1 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 they could beat any judo fighter, really? Go watch this fight
watch?v=vId1v6N0SEU&feature=related
Yoshida (a judo black belt) chokes out royce GRACIE!!
romes98ify 1 year ago
@romes98ify ok.?? what about arona, demian maia, jacare, minotauro, wallid, roger gracie and much more fighters around the world?
royce gracie also got fucked up by wallid, so what? hes not invencible...
yoshida could sleep fast against jacare or demian maia.
LacosteBoy1 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 my point wasnt that judo is superior, i was making the point that it comes down to how good the individual fighter is. At the end of the day BJJ and judo are a set of tools and which fighter wins comes down to who is best at using and adapting his tools to the person he is fighting!!
romes98ify 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 Really then why did he lose to Yoshida, the Judo master. Gracie has lost to many people and there are some here on youtube. But he tends to forget that when you ask him.
MrStathis77 1 year ago
@MrStathis77 omg... fuck gracie family.. jiujitsu isnt only GRAQCIE FAMILY... theres alot of great fighters who could never ever lose against a judo master. i can give ya some names if u want
LacosteBoy1 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 B.S. even the bests at bjj have judo black belts...i could give u some names also
RGTomoenage11 1 year ago
@LacosteBoy1 shut up u know nothing man as u said ur a white belt... dont talk. bjj fighters are pussys who just dragg people into their guard cause they got no other skill than their groundwork. the people u mentioned that would smash judo masters is a fail cause half of them do judo eg. minotauro
wo0oo1 10 months ago
@wo0oo1 stop blablabla.... bjj will always win against judo.. this is the truth sorry. if you dot like to read the truth, then close uself in ur room and create a new world for you.... but ur world will only exist in your imagination.. cuz in real life... BJJ will always win against judo!
LacosteBoy1 10 months ago
@LacosteBoy1 proof? none reality is judo has already proven to beat bjj wheres the proof bjj beat judo umm dont think so buddy... everyone thinks yeah yeah yeah i watch ufc mma o0o0o they all do jiu jitsu must be the best.. i dont see jiu jitsu as even big if it was it would be in olympics.
wo0oo1 10 months ago
@wo0oo1 judo = sport
jiujitsu= sport + self defense.... judo sucks on the street... also lose against jiujitsu
LacosteBoy1 10 months ago
@LacosteBoy1 hahaha see thats why ur an idiot ur knowlageless jiu jitsu and judo are both for self defence and they are both against fighting in the streets. u proved right now to everyone looking at these comments u dont know anything about either sport. to be honest jiu jitsu would suck on the street.. do u realy think someones not going to punch them in the face when they bitchly pull someone into their guard? no way buddy.. i think throwing somebody would be much more efficient.
wo0oo1 10 months ago
hahaha yeah judo will lose to jiu jitsu is that why theyve proved to have won countless times against them? wheres bjjs proof to have won?
wo0oo1 10 months ago
@wo0oo1 u can watch on youtube... 90% of them jiujitsu always win... well, and yeah, my friend purple belt fought against a judo black belt on the street and won.
LacosteBoy1 10 months ago
@LacosteBoy1 hahaha no 90% my arse more like 0% theres barley any footage of that happening because for ur sake i lookeded heaps of videos up and they were all in favour of judo... and yeah bullshit ur mate got in a street fight just trying to back urself up hahahaha
wo0oo1 10 months ago
@LacosteBoy1 and also ur story is as believable as a 5 year old girl beating royce gracie
wo0oo1 10 months ago
@LacosteBoy1 WTF ? did u know judo and BJJ are the same ground fight ? and judo takedowns are much more effective on the street !
judo came from jiu jitsu, and BJJ came from judo newasa ! pretty much the same skills..
tbg008 10 months ago
@LacosteBoy1 "Judo sucks on the street" LOL judo is very effective on the street ... what do you think will happen if a judoka throws your ass or your head and smashes you on the pavement, concrete or other iron railings ...it's bye bye ground game .... and every street fight starts from a standing position. you don't get attacked and spread your legs like a bitch hopeing that you apply your "bjj skills". Oh and by the way judokas are very effective on the ground game also.
wh1r6h1l 8 months ago 37
@wh1r6h1l
LOL you had me at "spread your legs like a bitch".
hellofaname 8 months ago
@wh1r6h1l Dude, you're the man for this comment. I can't say AMEN enough to this.
EricRyanCronin 7 months ago
@wh1r6h1l
The same can be said about Jiu Jitsu player's Naga Waza game. It depends who your instructor is. American Judo's Katomi Waza tends to be much weaker than those from Asia, Brasil, and even Europe. Both Jiu Jitsu and Judo players suffer when their instructors only teach the sport aspect of both martial arts. I understand Judo is defiantly geared more towards a sport, but as you stated the throws are devastating on pavement.
I train/compete in both Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Judo.
AmericanFenian 7 months ago
@wh1r6h1l Yeah awhile ago post WW2 the japanese police force had a competition between the top judo and jj schools in Japan to decide which MA would be the police's bread and butter for training out of 20 16 wins for the judoka's judo is devoleped from jiu jitsu but its developed so they have all the moves that are better executed by strenth with better position
oIKracKlezz 6 months ago
@wh1r6h1l Dude i agree with you so much i take judo and BJJ "Lets be stupid and fight on the ground" WTF
CJdAhomBRE23 5 months ago
@CJdAhomBRE23 Lol'd, idiot.
Klootjee 5 months ago
@wh1r6h1l no need to rip on bjj. Judo is fucking awesome, one of the most effective martial arts ever. Instead of saying, fuck judo i can just stay on the ground, or fuck bjj i can just stay standing... Why not do both... You will be better off doing that than just doing one of them. That's why we have the concept of MMA now - learn more than one discipline to be the "ultimate fighter" lollll
xAristaicx 5 months ago
@wh1r6h1l in a street fight you wont have a gi to hold on to,bjj teaches how to work without the gi,ive never heard of no gi judo
meg4m4nex7 5 months ago
@meg4m4nex7 I have never heard of naked street fights.
Nochibou1 5 months ago
@wh1r6h1l don´t forget the brake bone combo it´s very efective.
Danieldx22 5 months ago
@wh1r6h1l jiu jitsu sucks on the streets not judo, lmao
sunnyahsan1 4 months ago
@sunnyahsan1 Who won in this match, Judo or JiJitsu?
gsbluez77 4 months ago
@gsbluez77 Judo.
OVERCAPITALIZE 3 months ago
@gsbluez77 I think the judo guy did, because it looked like the other fellow tapped.
Motownbrother 3 months ago
@wh1r6h1l judo ground work is very hard to beat..check out yoshida..the guy that defeated royce gracie.
R3dTigerM40A3 3 months ago
@wh1r6h1l
Lets not argue on what is better i do both Jiu jitsu and judo and i love them both they both have pros and cons
adriacula1 2 months ago
@wh1r6h1l Very well stated!!! Not to mention bjj comes from judo.
anirokkfan 2 months ago
@wh1r6h1l best comment ever
loool070 3 weeks ago
Judo is a mix of sambo brazilian jujitsu and wrestling so far as i know
CenturionKiller14 1 year ago
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@CenturionKiller14 Judo is the parent art of Jiu Jitsu
bwalk87 1 year ago
@CenturionKiller14 jiujitsu and wrestling, sambo is a mix of a whole of martial arts, including judo
AlexLococo 1 year ago
@AlexLococo ahh i see thanx man
CenturionKiller14 1 year ago
it all depends on the individual. I'm a judoka, but personally on the ground, i like being off my back and grapple more like a bjj practicioner. Also, it depends on Judo clubs. my judo club emphasises 50% groundwork and 50% throwing
moonerjamerson 1 year ago
BJJ its the best game in the world for Groundfighting, but Judo its Nothing.
MazenBrek 1 year ago
@MazenBrek
this has to be the most ignorant comment ive ever read
4c00h 1 year ago 2
@MazenBrek dude go the library and read a BJJ book about you history and find out where your ground game came from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
glock70 1 year ago
I say do both (if not as many styles of combat and sport martial arts as poss) and take from each what helps you. You can only expand your mind more and more, there is no end to the skill and techinique that one can gain from a life time of study and practice!!!
MrIANDURAND 1 year ago 2
@MrIANDURAND nicely put
glock70 1 year ago
Judo vs BJJ,, which is better, blah, blah blah. They're sister arts! Judoka may not grapple as efficiently as BJJ. BJJ may not take down/throw as efficiently as a Judoka. Just different perspectives and focus of basically the same art. Anyone in BJJ have a problem with Judo? Go screw yourself. Anyone in Judo have a problem with BJJ? Go screw yourself.
skrimpshidy 1 year ago 2
@skrimpshidy exactly...
Bjj1994 1 year ago
@skrimpshidy i believe the grapplin in judo is better if youre on top....bjj is better when youre on yr back
knownpornographer 1 year ago
@knownpornographer Not really. The guy on top has the dominant position. But, it can go either way. I think what you're referring to is the idea of the turtle in a Judo competion which is a defense posture taken. However in Bjj it's a mistake to give someone your back. In a non competition setting it's always better to be on top. However, it all depends on the artist.
skrimpshidy 1 year ago
@skrimpshidy giving your back is only a mistake in bjj...thats the point...bjj and judo ne waza is the very similar besides the strategy...for instance: a judoka dsnt want to be on his back where as a jiu jitsuka dsnt want to give up his back.... both are correct because the strategy is different. my point is that if both bjj and judo re-merged, there
knownpornographer 1 year ago
@knownpornographer What I mean is in a competition setting. If a Judo match goes to the ground it's common practice to turtle. There's 5 seconds to make a move then both players are stood up again, and they start over. That's entirely different than a BJJ comp where it's timed and constant. However, in a self defense situation the rules are different obviously.
skrimpshidy 1 year ago
@skrimpshidy rould be even fewer weakness.
knownpornographer 1 year ago
Most of the people don't know, but Judo has (if don't all) most of the submissions and ground stuff, OR you really thought that BJJ just created that just 40 years ago?
alpjits 1 year ago
half the time the ref is in the cameras view point :(
TheAfricanSoul 1 year ago
bjj vs judo is a fun conversation but did you guys realize that on the streets, your avg joe does not know martial arts and any blue belt judoka or a blue belt bjj guy could probably demolish that avg guy. What are the chances that the guy you're fighting is a judo or bjj guy? Many claim that judo guys are not as good on the ground as BJJ guys, I am not going to defend or attack that comment BUT one thing I can say... avg judoka knows enough ground grappling to control and win an avg joe.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
But on the ground I think the same many people says, BJJ is a Ferrari of today while Judo Newaza is an old one, just because it didn't evolve as much as BJJ due to the olympic rules.
About the video, I don't think that fight is representative at all. Let's be honest, 99 out of 100 avarage BJJ black belts would win in a BJJ match against an avarage Judo black belt (if not more).
And the opposite thing would happen if it was a judo match.
iglora 1 year ago
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iglora 1 year ago
Anyway, I think the level of a judoka on the ground depends on where he trains and his instructor. Sadly, not many judokas train much ground, just because of olympic judo's rules. But, of course, they have excellent throws, better than bjj, as it is their specialty. The same as bjj specialty is the ground game. They just complement each other.
iglora 1 year ago
ju jitsu such a gay style, getting the opponent on the ground and feel his all around... it will be a dishonor if a fighting master get match up with such homo fighting.
totaldollar 1 year ago
@totaldollar
Lol, it gay until the bjjist breaks every joint in your body,
403766 1 year ago
@403766 no it's gay when I fuck your face up and fuck your sister till she can't walk LOL,
totaldollar 1 year ago
iv never really seen many BJJ matches, but do they always tend to pull guard, or was this guy doing it just to avoid the judoka's throws?
maskdesmith77 1 year ago
a lot of people argue about which is better. i don't think anyone can deny that judo's throws are the best. seriously just look at olympic judo videos & make the comparison. but on the ground this guy is holding his own & even beats a bjj black belt. i see so manny comments on how bjj's ground is ssoooo much better than judo's & when judo wins they just say the bjj guy sucked. i respect bjj's ground why can't you haters respect judo's?
alxh89 1 year ago
his foot looked like a shitstain XD
akatsuki855 1 year ago
Why keep comparing black belts to blue belts? Let's compare them to purple belts. Four years to judo shodan, four years to bjj purple. Who do you think is going to win on the ground? standing?
Agtren 1 year ago
judo is the western countries concentrate mostly on the takedowns and they usually dont spar. i used to spar with a guy who is a blackbelt judo and way bigger and taller than me, not sure if he is strong but i just beat him on the ground with 5 months training of bjj. they know what armbars, chokes etc are but i think western judo clubs should also concentrate on some ground techniques.
yuenj01 1 year ago
@yuenj01 He was not a black belt Judo player, if he was he was promoted way too early.
daridp 1 year ago
@daridp
why? he won.
initdialog 1 year ago
@initdialog It wasn't a comment on the video it was a comment on what yuenj01 said in a post prior to this one. He said in essence he had 5 months of BJJ and beat a Judo black belt.
daridp 1 year ago
@daridp it is possible, a black belt usually is not as good as a blue belt on the ground, I train at an mma club with several black belt judokas so I know this, this judoka probably just practices his groundwork more than modern judokas
marsy91 1 year ago
@marsy91 It is still not possible, it is just for JudoVsBJJ propaganga. The only way I could see it happening is:
A-Judo player was playing down to his level
or
B- a submission happened that will never happen again for several years unless the solar system aligns on a thursday at 5:30 pm
daridp 1 year ago
@daridp what you're saying is propaganda, I'm telling you actual facts
marsy91 1 year ago
@marsy91 I have never met a white-blue belt BJJ player who could beat a Judo black belt on the ground. Half of Judo is Ne-waza, which means groundfighting. Half of my wins in Judo matches have been by submission.
daridp 1 year ago
@daridp Well, in my bjj academy there are several judo black belts and me (white belt) and my other partners with white or blue belt used to make them tap when they started learning bjj. They were tough, but not really good on the ground. Even me, with my 65 kg, could make a 90 kg judo black belt tap (and he is very strong and fights like his life is depending on that fight). They are getting better on the ground so it's not that easy now, just like any other with the same time learning.
iglora 1 year ago
@iglora Then they aren't the belt level they claim to be. It takes 6 years to get a black belt in Judo and it takes about 10 to get a black belt in BJJ. A straight out of the gate black belt in Judo is about equivalent on the ground to a BJJ purple belt. However the focus on throwing is a huge advantage to the Judo player. When you get down to it the majority of world renowned Grapplers have either wrestling or Judo backgrounds and add that to there Ju Jitsu.
daridp 1 year ago
@daridp Because of my poor english I am not sure what you meant in the end. I think the majority of world renowned grapplers have BJJ background and add Judo or Wrestling to improve their stand up game in BJJ/grappling. Not the opposite. I was in the ADCC 2009 (and no, ADCC is not only BJJ but it is supposed to afford all grapplin