Why people always waste time with something stupid as religion? Just open your mind and listen to the facts, which are not opinions, but real and existing things.
Look, believe in whatever the heck you want, in whatever religion you want, but don't be such a MORON to argue over religion. If I want to believe that my BUTT is sacred, and my BALLS are my god, who are you to say that my BUTTBALLS religion is wrong? The video is about Science, let's not miss the point.
@nathanms1 the purpose of arguing religion, and anything else, is to breakdown the reason for why someone believes what they believe, which involves understanding their logic and understanding of the world. Arguing religion is good because it makes people learn what others think of their way of thinking. In so doing people become better at revises their thinking or argue for their thinking better. Encouraging others not to argue over something fundamental as religion is in my opinion idiotic.
@nathanms1 Religion is a topic far more important to be left to mere discussion. We are talking about a system of beliefs which could radically influence a persons views on social matters, politics, morality and philosphy just to name a few. That these matters are not to be argued with great excitment is to say that the things I have just listed are simply casual topic for dinner table discussions. But you go ahead and believe that everyone has a right to be wrong.
@DarncoL No, I'm not following a trend; I believe in evolution because it makes more sense to me than believing in an absent Santa Claus figure in the clouds. Things that stand the test of time does not need to be ancient; you do not seem to be grasping the idea. Evolution does not need to be proven because there's already A LOT of proof. And yes, I actually did study ecology for a bit before switching my major, but we learned about hypotheses, theories, and laws back in high school.
Holy shit that is awesome! I wish I was working on a cutting edge piece Science...
I can't wait until we get more hints towards creating artificial-intelligence; I have gone to University to study Computer Science in the hopes I can at least begin to understand how simple conditions can lead to such grandiose cognitive complexity.
I wanted to see what people thought about this fucking amazing mad science future stuff. Instead I get to read a bunch of schizoid ramblings about the virtues of militant atheism and other such horse-shit. Can't you people focus on the actual science shit for five seconds? Does it always have to be about you and your extra super special social commentary on the state of religion in america or whatever the fuck you windbags like to talk about? THEY CONTROLLED A FLYS MIND, DID YA NOTICE? DIPSHITS!
@underpantsjihad if you want to know what people think about this "amazing mad science future stuff" you're at the wrong adress.. youtube generally has a lower IQ.. dont you know that by now?
@underpantsjihad There is nothing to notice, neural activity is electrical. Your brain can be controlled by giving your frontal lobe a few 40 V 1 Amp shocks. Doing this a few thousand times will provide valuable information. This guy follows an outdated western block diagram concept of the brain. There is no sympathy for the fruit flies or the violence and pain they are going through. He probably has no understand philosophies about the mind, consciousness and non-violence. Grow up !
@acidcrashguy They altered the genetic code of a fly in order to modify its behavior. That's amazing stuff no matter how you spin it. Also, he isn't even talking about the philosophical questions about minds, though I assure you if he is working in that field he has probably read much of the current thought regarding mind/brain identity theory. Who gives a shit about fly decapitations? if that's the worst thing a german mad scientist is doing then im happy
@underpantsjihad I totally agree with you this is amazing stuff. I imagine that after they perfect this tech there should be no sentient being that we shouldnt be able to control... that could be scary.
Really nifty, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, it will still take them about 100 years to map out completely the funtioning of a mouse brain at this rate. Good luck proving to yourself that you don't make choices.
Great research! But how do you know the altered neurons firing simply produces a pain in the brain, indirectly activating the critic and THEN changing its policy, based on the pain. The you mis-plotted the 'critic' neurons.
In a not too distant future, huh? Wonderful, soon we will be able to eliminate dissent, sadness, psychosis, etc. Have fun in a Brave New World, not too distant future
9 people disliked this video.. but they've realized their mistake through their critic, and will have placed the video in their favorites soon enough.
I'm confused. How can the light stimulus reinforce the turning behavior BEFORE the turning behavior occurs? That must be misstated. Perhaps the light stimulus is punishing to the marching straight behavior, but the release of dopamine is usually associated with motivation, not punishment. If the light stimulus is, via the release of dopamine, activating motor cells (likely true) than how is this analogous to a punishing signal, such as a shock? I'm interested but confused.
All the flies are going through a decision-making process when they get to the place where both odours are the same (should I continue to the other area?). Well the light-signal is essentially sending the fly the message: "you have a bad feeling about this". Which makes it reject the new environment. I guess activating the same neurons would not have an effect if some environment-changing decision were not taking place.
Take god off of our Money. Take out a marker, pen and scribble god out or my personal favorites rip or cut out the word god. I love taking a match a burning a small hole where the word god is. IT makes a nice point. I will not have some fictitious god shoved down my throat. We should be free from god being force fed to us. Lets push this till they take it off. If there is a god out there just let me know to stop my war on gods hahahaha. THUMBS UP THIS and cut and paste if you agree
@8DX I act paused for a moment before i did it on TED. But it is shoved in my face everywhere and I will live my life fighting no holds barred everywhere and anywhere possible what I find one of the biggest problems in our society and for our species.
And who knows the right person might see it while they are feeling inspired to do something and do something much greater in the fight then i can ever imagine.
@8DX Come over to the good ol US of A and you will see why as much of a fight needs put up against the brainwashing as possible. They put it in our anthem well after it was first introduced and on our money well after we where first set up as a country with no goverment religion. Enjoy living in a free thinking country
@party489 After watching all the atheist videos on YouTube and having atheism/theism discussions in comments I guess I'll have to wear an "Atheist" T-shirt if I ever go to the US.
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for those supporting 'evolution' theory here, isn't cross ur mind that u'll some day will revolutionize urself to become superman, batman or spiderman? I wish to become ultraman or at least naruto with believing this 'evolution' theory
@runbyway Evolution doesn't work the way it does in Pokemon or Xmen. Organisms don't just get "better" with time. Species change over time as a result of natural selection. The offpsring of organisms are slightly different from their parents as a result of sexual reproduction and genetic mutations. This combined with natural selection (survival of the fittest) means over time, species will change as a result of selective pressure from their environment.
@majinspy Hopefully people who are poor like in South Africa, people who have been tortured and suffer by war e.t.c , people live in extremely cold country will revolutionize by "Evolution theory" to become a better being after fulfilling all criteria you mention (genetic mutation, natural selection, pressure of environment) . But i'm a bit sad that nothing of "evolution theory" have happened to any people (starting from Pharaoh era, Roman empire ..and even before this )
@runbyway Evolution is extremely slow and works based on environment. It isn't random.
I'll describe it this way: there are more organisms born than can live. There are those that will pass on their genes, and ones that won't. The ones who don't usually failed a "fitness" test of some kind. They weren't fast enough. They didn't have enough children that could survive. They were too dumb. They were too slow...anything. Those are the ones who DON'T pass their genes on. The more fit ones do.
@majinspy I hope we'll extremely slow to evolve to become Superman. Maybe one day rat, bugs, pig or monkey will extremely slow to evolve to become human
@Neylonx dude.. of course i believe evolution theory to that point. What i mean is 'extreme revolution' like monkey evolve to human. Since Babylon, monkey does not evolve to become human until rite now, i'm so sad. I hope human one day human will evolve more to become like superman. Or Rat to evolve become human.
@majinspy Also random mutation is not the only or most important influence, is it? I heard genetic drift is much more important - genomes on their own are full of variants and adaptability just within their combinations?
@8DX Genetic drift IS mutations. My understanding is it is basically benign yet useless mutations. Our DNA is full of mess that just doesn't get turned on and, therefore, mutations to it doesn't matter. This allows a buildup of genetic code that COULD do something. These things can become important later on. Maybe in the future having ear lobes that connect to the neck will cause one to have more offspring for some reason (the ladies like it :) ) Then a formerly useless thing is useful.
@majinspy "Genetic drift or allelic drift is the change in the frequency of a gene variant (allele) in a population due to random sampling." - this is NOT mutation. It's a process that kind of randomly chooses a path along evolutionary possibilities provided by mutation and environment
I don't agree with your view of how mutation provides new functions - from what I've read/understood the main force is random mutation of duplicated dna with a previous functions, as well as frame-shift mutations.
@8DX And where do you think the "gene variant" came from? Genes variate ...by mutating. A mutation is an error in the copying process. If there is no error...there is no variation to spread. Duplicated DNA IS a mutation. Frame-shifts are another type. Anything other than perfect fidelity to the original is by definition a mutation.
Also, frame-shifts are rarely good. It is WAY too much change at one time to get away with. Suddenly changing dozens of amino acid codings is bad juju.
@runbyway read the "selfish gene" it's not about the individual to get better, but the species as a whole. People may very well develop into something like in the series Heroes, if there is a good reason for them to do so (environmental pressure). Being able to walk up walls like spiderman or x-ray vision like superman while being totally badass won't benefit us to survive and probably won't develop. Btw: Batman has no superpowers except being ridiculously rich.
interesting but disturbing.. this research seems completely unnecessary. fucking with the psychology of animals? I'd be scared to know what he'd do to something that wasn't a fly and what effect it could have on the animal.
No, you wouldn't be scared to know, you're scared precisely because you don't know. And you have no idea how important this research is; figuring out how the brain functions would be help a lot in healing mental disorders, such as depression.
People are so attached to their personalities that they're irrationally afraid of ANY change. Little do they understand that our personalities change through random occurrence every day; I'd much rather we had a way to control the process.
@CatastrophicDisease ...and there is it. The conflict between those who want to understand and control the mind and those who want nature to take it's course.
I personally have very little faith in nature and welcome any improvement we can bring to the design, but it is good to know there will be people like yourself to keep atleast part of humanity grounded for reference. Don't change. We'll need people like you.
I know this is wrong but when I hear people with German accents talking about the wonders of mind control and making decapitaiton jokes I just shiver. Move over Juan Williams.
This explains how the religious are so incapable of logic. They are trained from birth to ignore logic and to go with feelings, their inner critic is trained to smack down any logic due to the feelings it arouses. So in order to creep in their brain and change their mind its got to be softly softly catchy monkey. Too many feelings aroused and its gone, no chance of logic touching them. So religion is the mental equivalent of a zombie, logic bomb after logic bomb and its still coming for ya.
@adolthitler i take it your not a creationist, that cool i'm atheist too, but don't smack down on religious people, saying that they are incapable of logic is bull, to say your veiw is correct over theirs is bull,
there is no proof of evolution, just as their is no proof of god.
to believe that life spontaniously sprang up out of nothing, just a chemical reaction or someother thing that is no where near possible or plausible in our world, and evolved on an uninhabitable plant.. is rediculous.
There is proof of evolution ie there is sufficient evidence to hold the proposition that is evolutionary theory as true.
Life did not spontaneously spring up out of nothing...From organic matter self replicating systems spontaneously arose, and they co adapted into protocells. That is abiogenesis though, not evolution.
You don't seem to realize what theory means in science. It is the highest position an idea can have, everything in science is theory including gravity and atoms.
@dookiecheez lol k dude it's the law of gravity, it's newton's Laws.
things that are proven to be true. the highest positon is as a law, an undisputable scientific proof. theory if you take the time to look up a definaition is a basis idea for study. Study of something that is not proven true, but an idea to work towards an prove true.
look it up, lol i did. even looked up some antonyms for ya, they include: certainty, fact, proof, reality
@dookiecheez and if you have this "proof" i strongly recomend you go to the nearest university and cash in because you've just solved the greatest debate in humanity. Anyone who may have proved this would have already done that and seeing how there is no world wide phenominon going thru the scientific community i'll take it that it still hasn't been done.
last, organic matter.. ah screw it.
too much effort and it's not like i'm trying to prove any theories or anything :P
In science theory means something slightly different then in regular usage, laws aren't actually a higher tier in science. A law is typically part of a theory, as in thermodynamics there are laws which are of a different category then ideas. Proof is defined as sufficient evidence, and we already have that for evolution.
@DarncoL If you actually study science, you would understand that there is a difference between a theory that anyone can think up and the scientific theory that is a set of principles used to explain natural events. The scientific theory has evidence to support itself and endures the test of time because of this. It is totally different from the "theory" you have in mind. I would highly recommend watching the "Waking Up in the Universe" lectures on YouTube.
@squantaya set of principles used to explain natural events.. until they are proven, when they are proven they become "law" (like newtons laws). something proven to be true.
look it up if you wish
lol but i'll watch those lectures, sounds cool
also test of time?? it is not an old theory altho i do believe it will last very long and perhaps prove itself true, it has in itself not yet proven true.
otherwise we would not have this convo and you would have sent me a link to the most
@squantay recent news cast raving about how the theory of evolution has been proven, how they have figured out how life was created, and how this proves that life does not need divine help to get going.
i do study science. do you? or do you just accept the fastest growing trend in western belief? that later is usually the case.
lol srry didn't mean insult there, and if creation is proven false i'll be very thankfull for the peice of mind
@DarncoL Why is that ridiculous? Samples dug very deep of the Earth tell us that the conditions in primordial Earth WERE very different from our own. Also, experiments have been done to confirm the fact that amino acids and some other necessary molecules for life can be created under those conditions without any external interference. There are plenty of reasons to believe that evolution is the process by which we got here.
If he thinks religious people are stupid, he has a right to say it.
@chessfan6 aha yes i respect free speech, and that he has a right to say it, just i have rights and you and everyone. the still doesn't make it right in itself for him to insult the religious. religion is a beautiful thing that i'm quite sad is not a part of my life. lol wish i could believe but i don't.
But you seem like a very reasonable person and i respect that, and i'm gratefull for that too, ou can imagine how many people on youtube have told me evolution>religion and how i'm an
lol and i understand that conditions were very different but if they had confirmed that life could be created as such then there would be a huge revalation in the scientific community and it would have been on every news channel. thats hasn't happened tho..
if you can give me the specific ingrediants for life and show that it makes it then great and i'm really quite pleased, but it hasn't been done.
there are plenty of reasons to believe in evolution
@chessfan6 thats very true, but it still remains a theory. and if it is not proven i do not believe it is at all right to say that the religious are wrong..
if neither are proven then we might as well accept both, and i still believe you should not insult people because of there beliefs..
@DarncoL Remember its only the "word of god". But you have yet to show any evidence of god.
How can you compare the genetic evidence of evolution with the fantasy of religion. They are not equal. How does God get to be here? If life can't spontaneously errupt out of nothing or out of a pool of chemicals, then how does a universe creating god get to exist out of nothing?
@adolthitler lol i am not trying to show evidence or prove anything. I don't believe in god myself, but i do know enough that there is no proof of evolution either. There adaption made by different oragnisms true, but nothing significant enough to prove anything, humans havn't been around long enough to be able to prove it yet. the understanding is too limited as well.
as it is both are saying something from nothing and both are rediculous
@DarncoL Well obviously its not ridiculous as something must have always been. But its bullshit to say I have to award equal validity to religion saying "god is there" "god just was" "god made it". I can point to the universe, no theist can point to god.
Equal, my arse, worthuy of respect my arse. They can shout from the rooftops "god is real", and I am not allowed to say "bullshit, you don't get respect for random proclamations"?
Evidence theists or shut up, cause bullshit earns you disrespect.
@DarncoL Genetics of all the plants and animals link up in ways that indicate common ancestry, or that evolution is real, just like fossils indicate this. Thats evidence not just my say so.
"theory" is when its "proved" by evidence, what you are trying to say is its a hypothesis and is not backed by evidence yet so you can claim equal rights for a god guess. Sorry you are wrong about "theory" and are trying to use the word in place of "hypothesis", they are not the same, and your argument fails.
@adolthitler please show me this proof, and it is off topic as well
i believe you have evolution confused in ways,
yes there is evolution. but first you must descern between micro and macro evolution as well you need to respect that the whole theory of evolution concerning the begining is biogenisis.
which is not proven to grow in symbiotic life, only speculation, only theory
@adolthitler altho now all that i can argue is that you are a blind douche, not blind for not having relgion but for failing to respect others in that choice.
i'm done, don't know why i even posted against a prick like you, if it makes you happy go for it and burn in hell or rot in your grave.
@DarncoL Well how do you earn respect for just having any old belief? I don't kill people for their beliefs like you theists do. Charming threats of eternal torture from your figment of your imagination. Thanks I'll cherish your respect forever. Do you wonder how I never gave you any respect? When did you earn my respect? LOL never.
but still are you seriously 42? lol your argument was not that of someone who is educated in the topic, your points were very general/common in knowledge.
so either your a deadbeat adult or your some retarded kid who put in some random age so he could watch some vids.
@adolthitler nothing wrong with letting people have their faith in peace, and yeah u need specific facts because your generalizations don't prove anything, the general comment is not better than going for general faith
and general seems to be all u can use to try n prove your view
and why should i care, whether u care about my respect? ur just a douchy lil kid
and ur last point is pretty retarded and ingorant if thats what ur religious knowledge is
@DarncoL Letting them have their faith in peace? So they may recruit others, without opposition?
I notice all your arguments are more general than mine and almost solely ad hominem. Regardless of my being a "kid", you need to address why lies, named a religion are acceptable to be passed from person to person, and why its entitled to respect. I suspect you have no real answer why its acceptable, except I am a kid. How very adult of you? This how you win all your debates?
@adolthitler lol recruit? that not the case and even ur smart enough to know that. people join a relgion based on belief. Anything to do with recruitment is policical and factional.
lol and they are acceptably passed because most convey a good message and they are not proven to be lies.
thats a real answer.
all i'm asking is for direct proof, this issue is u can't give it since it has not been found and this makes ur way representing ur faith unacceptable
@DarncoL Yes recruit. Recruit by doorknocking, recruit by charity to those down on their luck with forced services and prayers as "repayment".
Direct proof you arse, is the genetics of all animals and plants, fossils, livestock and pet breeding many different varieties of animals from a seed stock. If you don't see the evidence, then you are blind.
Direct proof is from the "design" of the human eye, that is so bad, it only makes sense from evolutionary accident, rather than actual design.
@adolthitler lol forced? has any church forced you into their congregation? didn't think so
charity? that doesn't sound bad at all, whats your point there? any "forcing" done is like i said done by political or factional groups
lol and thats not proof, thats the theory of evolution/ more accurately bio genisis, we've already talked about that, and that it is just a theory, please don't try to use old points that didn't work the first time
breeding n evolution yes, but not like how u think
@DarncoL Actually I was forced into a church congregation. I was beaten with a shoe, to dress appropriately for gods house, I was beaten with the shoe, to attend gods house, I was beaten with a shoe for asking why god was immoral for doing what he did.
I did not use abiogenesis. I used genetics showing the tree of life as it branched out from common ancestors.
I used the poor design of the eye to argue against design. No design then leaves evolution.
@adolthitler lol and your point about the eye is old and worn from overuse, everyone knows about this point but really what is the issue? i'm sure u've had no issues with ur brain flipping an image, if u have shitty buzz :P
but there is no reason to point out something that works fine as an issue just cause u think there could be a different way
that and the brain is not completely understood, the points can't be completely jusified
it was just people, smarter than u or i searching 4 another
@DarncoL +keep in mind that very similar point are used to debate for god "this was made so much like this so it must be so"+
Thats why I used the eye. The god made it argument is based on its perfection. The fact that it has basic design flaws shows its design is crap. Even human designers that cannot make biological items at will would not design an eye so badly. My proof is camera designers, do not put anything in front of the film or chip that would obscure the picture. Gods design fails.
@DarncoL The point is no designer would design it like that. No rational designer, no imtelligent designer. Crazy fucked up designer sure he might. But its not said he is crazy and fucked up, its said he is perfect.
The design fails from the fact that it is a kludge not a design. that it works and that it is a kludge shows evolution. Not design.
You can't compare gods design, I can. Gods shit design points to a shit god. Best design in class does not have faults and work arounds.
@adolthitler you suposed "proof" is only observations on how something might of been done differently, it does not give god to be false as direct proof
it's just people trying to find another way to disprove god, which is fine but it doesn't come anywhere near to doing the job
you've still failed to support your arguement with any hard proven fact, sciences' main virtue
@adolthitler@adolthitler I think it's a huge stretch to compare the brain of a fruit fly to that of humans, and draw conclusions about human behaviour from that. Even the religious deserve more credit than that =P.
@chessfan6 I did not compare the religious to a fruit fly. I respect fruit flies.
I did say "their inner critic is trained to smack down any logic due to the feelings it arouses."
They respond to their fears and uneasiness by blocking the logic. Thats not the same as "not capable of logic". Basically the religion is like an immunisation against logic that harms their religious belief. It arouses an emotional response that then voids the logic.
@adolthitler No, it doesn't. First of all, you mistakenly contrast religious beliefs to logic probably because you have a misunderstanding of logic as "truth". Secondly, you ignore the fact the many atheist once held religious beliefs. That completely goes against your generalization that " the religious are incapable of logic". You're just another pretentious person trying to feel superior by attacking a now easy target, religion. But, you don't have any original insight or real analysis.
@maillort Original insight? How do I get that with so many people in existance and this dispute having gone obnn for so long? How many arguments do theists have for gods existance? Only a handful, and each one has been debunked in a multitude of ways.
Why do you insist on respect for feelings that lead to denial of reality?
I also was a raised a theist. My generalisation stands because theists hear the logic and ignore it. They know iits a lie and still choose to wallow in it.
@adolthitler Why should I respect you for your ignoring truth? Insight? LOL we are all standing on the shoulders of those who went before us. Yet even when you are spoonfed all the arguments you still fail to get to the correct answer. Are you worthy of respect?
@adolthitler No, it doesn't. First of all, you mistakenly contrast religious beliefs to logic probably because you have a misunderstanding of logic as "truth". Secondly, you ignore the fact the many atheist once held religious beliefs. That completely goes against your generalization that " the religious are incapable of logic". You're just another pretentious person trying to feel superior by attacking a now easy target, religion. But, you don't have any original insight or real analysis.
@adolthitler No, it doesn't. First of all, you mistakenly contrast religious beliefs to logic probably because you have a misunderstanding of logic as "truth". Secondly, you ignore the fact the many atheist once held religious beliefs. That completely goes against your generalization that " the religious are incapable of logic". You're just another pretentious person trying to feel superior by attacking a now easy target, religion. But, you don't have any original insight or real analysis.
Studies have shown that people with religious beliefs live longer. So when you're dead, I'll be chasing the nurses and singing hymns.
Religion has nothing to do with whether people are logical or not. Previous to the Enlightenment and the entrenchment of purely materialist science, everybody was religious.
@celticphrog The reason religious believers "live longer" has nothing to do with "god", but with the fact that they believe in SOMETHING. Same researchers have stated that it IS the sense of meaning, social activity, community sense and lifestyle this people engage with (which enhances our brain activity and boost our inmune system) and not merely "believeing". This is truth for atheist as well: Purpose, meaning and strong community interaction is not solely saved for "the believers"... you
I really like this, except I don't like where hes going with this. What if they have the neurones that control thrust become set off by some magnetic field. Then they placed the magnetic field around a pop machine. Wouldn't the people with altered neurones be more likely to buy the pop, weather its good for them or not? . . . . . . . . . . . .The future scares me.......
@lilthug19908 "What if they have the neurones that control thrust become set off by some magnetic field. Then they placed the magnetic field around a pop machine."
despite finding this talk hugely interesting and intriguing I couldn't help having the same thoughts. With any luck nothing like that will be possible while I'm alive but still its a little unnerving.
Yes...trust a German who wants to control your brain
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we never could understand the brain..that's a fact
andreeaweed 4 months ago
@andreeaweed It is only a matter of time before we do....that's the whole point of science.
TheStrongjz 1 month ago
I love purple star shirt guy. Every time they pan to the audience, he looks scared out of his freaking mind.
JackieNicoleSings 5 months ago 2
This guy scares me.
RealNC 6 months ago
Why dont you just ask Derren Brown?
sreeshankarlal 9 months ago
Why dont you just ask Darren Brown?
sreeshankarlal 9 months ago
please dont argue this crap guys, you need to realize that people strongly into religion have a very fixed viewpoint.
Its like yelling with a 12 year old on the internet, your not going to accomplish anything no matter what logic you use.
wizkidme 9 months ago
Seriously, where is the nobel price? This was just brilliant.
Ko252 10 months ago 4
Why people always waste time with something stupid as religion? Just open your mind and listen to the facts, which are not opinions, but real and existing things.
rozekei 11 months ago
dbz ftw
ri394 1 year ago
Look, believe in whatever the heck you want, in whatever religion you want, but don't be such a MORON to argue over religion. If I want to believe that my BUTT is sacred, and my BALLS are my god, who are you to say that my BUTTBALLS religion is wrong? The video is about Science, let's not miss the point.
nathanms1 1 year ago
@nathanms1 the purpose of arguing religion, and anything else, is to breakdown the reason for why someone believes what they believe, which involves understanding their logic and understanding of the world. Arguing religion is good because it makes people learn what others think of their way of thinking. In so doing people become better at revises their thinking or argue for their thinking better. Encouraging others not to argue over something fundamental as religion is in my opinion idiotic.
Slug99 1 year ago
@Slug99 Discussing religion is what would be good and let us help understand what other people think about it. Arguing is idiotic.
nathanms1 1 year ago
@nathanms1 Religion is a topic far more important to be left to mere discussion. We are talking about a system of beliefs which could radically influence a persons views on social matters, politics, morality and philosphy just to name a few. That these matters are not to be argued with great excitment is to say that the things I have just listed are simply casual topic for dinner table discussions. But you go ahead and believe that everyone has a right to be wrong.
Slug99 1 year ago
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Jesus christ is king of kings and lord of lords
bass109 1 year ago
Wow. Should an Austrian be making Jew jokes?
blackberryjuice1 1 year ago
10 decapitated fruit flies watched the video
lightsinthesky246 1 year ago
"Hacking" brains, learning without experience, physics competing (even overcoming) with psicology... wow!
leonidasx666 1 year ago
There are more than 9000 neurons!
dumbglasses 1 year ago
@DarncoL No, I'm not following a trend; I believe in evolution because it makes more sense to me than believing in an absent Santa Claus figure in the clouds. Things that stand the test of time does not need to be ancient; you do not seem to be grasping the idea. Evolution does not need to be proven because there's already A LOT of proof. And yes, I actually did study ecology for a bit before switching my major, but we learned about hypotheses, theories, and laws back in high school.
squantay 1 year ago
Holy shit that is awesome! I wish I was working on a cutting edge piece Science...
I can't wait until we get more hints towards creating artificial-intelligence; I have gone to University to study Computer Science in the hopes I can at least begin to understand how simple conditions can lead to such grandiose cognitive complexity.
Simply amazing.
PopeSnowball 1 year ago
I wanted to see what people thought about this fucking amazing mad science future stuff. Instead I get to read a bunch of schizoid ramblings about the virtues of militant atheism and other such horse-shit. Can't you people focus on the actual science shit for five seconds? Does it always have to be about you and your extra super special social commentary on the state of religion in america or whatever the fuck you windbags like to talk about? THEY CONTROLLED A FLYS MIND, DID YA NOTICE? DIPSHITS!
underpantsjihad 1 year ago 54
@underpantsjihad if you want to know what people think about this "amazing mad science future stuff" you're at the wrong adress.. youtube generally has a lower IQ.. dont you know that by now?
gr4ndhustle 1 year ago 9
@underpantsjihad There is nothing to notice, neural activity is electrical. Your brain can be controlled by giving your frontal lobe a few 40 V 1 Amp shocks. Doing this a few thousand times will provide valuable information. This guy follows an outdated western block diagram concept of the brain. There is no sympathy for the fruit flies or the violence and pain they are going through. He probably has no understand philosophies about the mind, consciousness and non-violence. Grow up !
acidcrashguy 1 year ago
@acidcrashguy They altered the genetic code of a fly in order to modify its behavior. That's amazing stuff no matter how you spin it. Also, he isn't even talking about the philosophical questions about minds, though I assure you if he is working in that field he has probably read much of the current thought regarding mind/brain identity theory. Who gives a shit about fly decapitations? if that's the worst thing a german mad scientist is doing then im happy
underpantsjihad 1 year ago
@underpantsjihad You're right = =
squantay 1 year ago
@underpantsjihad I totally agree with you this is amazing stuff. I imagine that after they perfect this tech there should be no sentient being that we shouldnt be able to control... that could be scary.
rohontsiawaks 1 year ago
@underpantsjihad Probably because religious wingnuts and their shills (such as yourself) are hell-bent on destroying humanity as we know it.
There is no god, and it possesses no prophet. The only true faith is the faith of evidence.
GeneralGeirling 8 months ago
There have been 9 fruit flies watching this video so far.
Gnug215 1 year ago 2
epic
LobsterPotsticker 1 year ago
this is great. exactly my absolute favourite kind of TED talk. more please :)
neurocrater 1 year ago
Really nifty, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, it will still take them about 100 years to map out completely the funtioning of a mouse brain at this rate. Good luck proving to yourself that you don't make choices.
Yagmilner 1 year ago
Great research! But how do you know the altered neurons firing simply produces a pain in the brain, indirectly activating the critic and THEN changing its policy, based on the pain. The you mis-plotted the 'critic' neurons.
SSuperCuriouss 1 year ago
I'm betting this guy is getting calls from every government on the planet lol.
killcreek666 1 year ago
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asdfxyz1 1 year ago
You had me at "Dragon Ball Z"
Janac 1 year ago
SCIENCE!
AdenoidHynkelThe2nd 1 year ago
In a not too distant future, huh? Wonderful, soon we will be able to eliminate dissent, sadness, psychosis, etc. Have fun in a Brave New World, not too distant future
ThePeacant 1 year ago
9 people disliked this video.. but they've realized their mistake through their critic, and will have placed the video in their favorites soon enough.
xdegenerate18 1 year ago
Wow I really begin to wonder if religious people are paid to troll these videos? Do you get minimum? *sigh*
NemesisAnother 1 year ago
@NemesisAnother Lol, religious people would pay to troll on these videos if they could.
killcreek666 1 year ago
lol i love the dragon ball z reference!
Shigren 1 year ago 10
HAHAH "It seems that the only trait that survives decapitation is vanity" HAHAHA... sooo true...
8DX 1 year ago
I'm confused. How can the light stimulus reinforce the turning behavior BEFORE the turning behavior occurs? That must be misstated. Perhaps the light stimulus is punishing to the marching straight behavior, but the release of dopamine is usually associated with motivation, not punishment. If the light stimulus is, via the release of dopamine, activating motor cells (likely true) than how is this analogous to a punishing signal, such as a shock? I'm interested but confused.
Ichijojichan 1 year ago
All the flies are going through a decision-making process when they get to the place where both odours are the same (should I continue to the other area?). Well the light-signal is essentially sending the fly the message: "you have a bad feeling about this". Which makes it reject the new environment. I guess activating the same neurons would not have an effect if some environment-changing decision were not taking place.
8DX 1 year ago
I find this chap a bit sinister :O)
bodnotbod 1 year ago
@bodnotbod Yeah - it's easy to spot an evil scientist - they always deny it!
8DX 1 year ago
Take god off of our Money. Take out a marker, pen and scribble god out or my personal favorites rip or cut out the word god. I love taking a match a burning a small hole where the word god is. IT makes a nice point. I will not have some fictitious god shoved down my throat. We should be free from god being force fed to us. Lets push this till they take it off. If there is a god out there just let me know to stop my war on gods hahahaha. THUMBS UP THIS and cut and paste if you agree
party489 1 year ago
@party489 Although I agree, this is the wrong place for some local (US) atheist activism - comments on TED vids should remain on topic.
8DX 1 year ago
@8DX I act paused for a moment before i did it on TED. But it is shoved in my face everywhere and I will live my life fighting no holds barred everywhere and anywhere possible what I find one of the biggest problems in our society and for our species.
And who knows the right person might see it while they are feeling inspired to do something and do something much greater in the fight then i can ever imagine.
party489 1 year ago
@party489 Well actually you're right.. one has to be careful spaming though. I mean in my country we don't have god on the money.. so we're fine.
8DX 1 year ago
@8DX Come over to the good ol US of A and you will see why as much of a fight needs put up against the brainwashing as possible. They put it in our anthem well after it was first introduced and on our money well after we where first set up as a country with no goverment religion. Enjoy living in a free thinking country
party489 1 year ago
@party489 After watching all the atheist videos on YouTube and having atheism/theism discussions in comments I guess I'll have to wear an "Atheist" T-shirt if I ever go to the US.
8DX 1 year ago
@party489 Yeah every atheist should carry a hole punch to clip god out. Its their duty lol. I do love this idea.
adolthitler 1 year ago
The highest rated comment isn't even shown..? The YouTube staff have a little tweaking to do...
Gameboob 1 year ago
indeed, finally an interesting TED talk...
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this germanish is awful ^^
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lavernedi 1 year ago
There is no way how emotions can be stored in brain. When will people realize this? (I don't want to sound mean).
thegoodhen 1 year ago
I think that humans know what's good or wrong in the absence of a critic because they have a conscious!
nutsbutdum 1 year ago
for those supporting 'evolution' theory here, isn't cross ur mind that u'll some day will revolutionize urself to become superman, batman or spiderman? I wish to become ultraman or at least naruto with believing this 'evolution' theory
runbyway 1 year ago
@runbyway Evolution doesn't work the way it does in Pokemon or Xmen. Organisms don't just get "better" with time. Species change over time as a result of natural selection. The offpsring of organisms are slightly different from their parents as a result of sexual reproduction and genetic mutations. This combined with natural selection (survival of the fittest) means over time, species will change as a result of selective pressure from their environment.
It doesn't mean they get laser beam eyes.
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runbyway 1 year ago
@majinspy Hopefully people who are poor like in South Africa, people who have been tortured and suffer by war e.t.c , people live in extremely cold country will revolutionize by "Evolution theory" to become a better being after fulfilling all criteria you mention (genetic mutation, natural selection, pressure of environment) . But i'm a bit sad that nothing of "evolution theory" have happened to any people (starting from Pharaoh era, Roman empire ..and even before this )
runbyway 1 year ago
@runbyway Evolution is extremely slow and works based on environment. It isn't random.
I'll describe it this way: there are more organisms born than can live. There are those that will pass on their genes, and ones that won't. The ones who don't usually failed a "fitness" test of some kind. They weren't fast enough. They didn't have enough children that could survive. They were too dumb. They were too slow...anything. Those are the ones who DON'T pass their genes on. The more fit ones do.
majinspy 1 year ago
@majinspy I hope we'll extremely slow to evolve to become Superman. Maybe one day rat, bugs, pig or monkey will extremely slow to evolve to become human
runbyway 1 year ago
@runbyway
if one never looks for something he rarely finds it.
Crazylalalalala 1 year ago
@runbyway ummm im sorry but please dont state something which isnt true
sherpa's have bigger hearts and more veins in their hands and feet to help protect against the cold in the Himalayas
african people have huge amounts of pigment in their skin as a natural barrier against UV light
african people are far more likely to suffer from sickle-cell anemia, but this makes them immune to malaria. a far bigger threat in africa
the human race is still evolving...
Neylonx 1 year ago
@Neylonx dude.. of course i believe evolution theory to that point. What i mean is 'extreme revolution' like monkey evolve to human. Since Babylon, monkey does not evolve to become human until rite now, i'm so sad. I hope human one day human will evolve more to become like superman. Or Rat to evolve become human.
runbyway 1 year ago
@runbyway dude evolution like that takes millions of years. we're more likely to wipe ourselves out than actually reach another species...
Neylonx 1 year ago
@majinspy
i like!! but boy would it be nice to have laser beam eyes.
Crazylalalalala 1 year ago
@majinspy Also random mutation is not the only or most important influence, is it? I heard genetic drift is much more important - genomes on their own are full of variants and adaptability just within their combinations?
8DX 1 year ago
@8DX Genetic drift IS mutations. My understanding is it is basically benign yet useless mutations. Our DNA is full of mess that just doesn't get turned on and, therefore, mutations to it doesn't matter. This allows a buildup of genetic code that COULD do something. These things can become important later on. Maybe in the future having ear lobes that connect to the neck will cause one to have more offspring for some reason (the ladies like it :) ) Then a formerly useless thing is useful.
majinspy 1 year ago
@majinspy "Genetic drift or allelic drift is the change in the frequency of a gene variant (allele) in a population due to random sampling." - this is NOT mutation. It's a process that kind of randomly chooses a path along evolutionary possibilities provided by mutation and environment
I don't agree with your view of how mutation provides new functions - from what I've read/understood the main force is random mutation of duplicated dna with a previous functions, as well as frame-shift mutations.
8DX 1 year ago
@8DX And where do you think the "gene variant" came from? Genes variate ...by mutating. A mutation is an error in the copying process. If there is no error...there is no variation to spread. Duplicated DNA IS a mutation. Frame-shifts are another type. Anything other than perfect fidelity to the original is by definition a mutation.
Also, frame-shifts are rarely good. It is WAY too much change at one time to get away with. Suddenly changing dozens of amino acid codings is bad juju.
majinspy 1 year ago
@majinspy doesn't mean they can't get laser beam eyes either :)
KtwistHK808 1 year ago
@runbyway u comment is either realy funny or shows that u read way to many comic books or both. thats not how evolution works.
and batman has no super powers he is just some dude with badass toys and superman is not human or from earth.
Crazylalalalala 1 year ago
@runbyway read the "selfish gene" it's not about the individual to get better, but the species as a whole. People may very well develop into something like in the series Heroes, if there is a good reason for them to do so (environmental pressure). Being able to walk up walls like spiderman or x-ray vision like superman while being totally badass won't benefit us to survive and probably won't develop. Btw: Batman has no superpowers except being ridiculously rich.
P1ranh4 1 year ago
Just, wow. Breath taking.
Ko252 1 year ago
interesting but scary !
yourtube20061 1 year ago
is he austrian ? he sounds like the former Governator.
yourtube20061 1 year ago
@yourtube20061 yes he is austrian ;-)
bernpi 1 year ago
interesting but disturbing.. this research seems completely unnecessary. fucking with the psychology of animals? I'd be scared to know what he'd do to something that wasn't a fly and what effect it could have on the animal.
honeyxbee18 1 year ago
@honeyxbee18
No, you wouldn't be scared to know, you're scared precisely because you don't know. And you have no idea how important this research is; figuring out how the brain functions would be help a lot in healing mental disorders, such as depression.
People are so attached to their personalities that they're irrationally afraid of ANY change. Little do they understand that our personalities change through random occurrence every day; I'd much rather we had a way to control the process.
khatack 1 year ago 3
@khatack And then, we become machines. I'd rather be vulnerable and human.
CatastrophicDisease 1 year ago
@CatastrophicDisease
Could you elaborate on that please?
khatack 1 year ago
@CatastrophicDisease ...and there is it. The conflict between those who want to understand and control the mind and those who want nature to take it's course.
I personally have very little faith in nature and welcome any improvement we can bring to the design, but it is good to know there will be people like yourself to keep atleast part of humanity grounded for reference. Don't change. We'll need people like you.
sexyloser 1 year ago
I know this is wrong but when I hear people with German accents talking about the wonders of mind control and making decapitaiton jokes I just shiver. Move over Juan Williams.
Constantone 1 year ago
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This explains how the religious are so incapable of logic. They are trained from birth to ignore logic and to go with feelings, their inner critic is trained to smack down any logic due to the feelings it arouses. So in order to creep in their brain and change their mind its got to be softly softly catchy monkey. Too many feelings aroused and its gone, no chance of logic touching them. So religion is the mental equivalent of a zombie, logic bomb after logic bomb and its still coming for ya.
adolthitler 1 year ago 55
@adolthitler Daunting news, I still want me some of those logic bombs though, they sound awesome!
Lucky13Vinnie 1 year ago
@adolthitler i take it your not a creationist, that cool i'm atheist too, but don't smack down on religious people, saying that they are incapable of logic is bull, to say your veiw is correct over theirs is bull,
there is no proof of evolution, just as their is no proof of god.
to believe that life spontaniously sprang up out of nothing, just a chemical reaction or someother thing that is no where near possible or plausible in our world, and evolved on an uninhabitable plant.. is rediculous.
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL
There is proof of evolution ie there is sufficient evidence to hold the proposition that is evolutionary theory as true.
Life did not spontaneously spring up out of nothing...From organic matter self replicating systems spontaneously arose, and they co adapted into protocells. That is abiogenesis though, not evolution.
You don't seem to realize what theory means in science. It is the highest position an idea can have, everything in science is theory including gravity and atoms.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
@dookiecheez lol k dude it's the law of gravity, it's newton's Laws.
things that are proven to be true. the highest positon is as a law, an undisputable scientific proof. theory if you take the time to look up a definaition is a basis idea for study. Study of something that is not proven true, but an idea to work towards an prove true.
look it up, lol i did. even looked up some antonyms for ya, they include: certainty, fact, proof, reality
DarncoL 1 year ago
@dookiecheez and if you have this "proof" i strongly recomend you go to the nearest university and cash in because you've just solved the greatest debate in humanity. Anyone who may have proved this would have already done that and seeing how there is no world wide phenominon going thru the scientific community i'll take it that it still hasn't been done.
last, organic matter.. ah screw it.
too much effort and it's not like i'm trying to prove any theories or anything :P
DarncoL 1 year ago
@dookiecheez lol altho i do apologize for using evolution instead of abiogenesis.
i am aware of the two but because every talks of evolution as if it was abiogenesis i say evolution instead for ease of communication
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL
In science theory means something slightly different then in regular usage, laws aren't actually a higher tier in science. A law is typically part of a theory, as in thermodynamics there are laws which are of a different category then ideas. Proof is defined as sufficient evidence, and we already have that for evolution.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
@DarncoL If you actually study science, you would understand that there is a difference between a theory that anyone can think up and the scientific theory that is a set of principles used to explain natural events. The scientific theory has evidence to support itself and endures the test of time because of this. It is totally different from the "theory" you have in mind. I would highly recommend watching the "Waking Up in the Universe" lectures on YouTube.
squantay 1 year ago
@squantaya set of principles used to explain natural events.. until they are proven, when they are proven they become "law" (like newtons laws). something proven to be true.
look it up if you wish
lol but i'll watch those lectures, sounds cool
also test of time?? it is not an old theory altho i do believe it will last very long and perhaps prove itself true, it has in itself not yet proven true.
otherwise we would not have this convo and you would have sent me a link to the most
DarncoL 1 year ago
@squantay recent news cast raving about how the theory of evolution has been proven, how they have figured out how life was created, and how this proves that life does not need divine help to get going.
i do study science. do you? or do you just accept the fastest growing trend in western belief? that later is usually the case.
lol srry didn't mean insult there, and if creation is proven false i'll be very thankfull for the peice of mind
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL well Amen to that.
lucius215 1 year ago
@DarncoL Why is that ridiculous? Samples dug very deep of the Earth tell us that the conditions in primordial Earth WERE very different from our own. Also, experiments have been done to confirm the fact that amino acids and some other necessary molecules for life can be created under those conditions without any external interference. There are plenty of reasons to believe that evolution is the process by which we got here.
If he thinks religious people are stupid, he has a right to say it.
chessfan6 1 year ago
@chessfan6 aha yes i respect free speech, and that he has a right to say it, just i have rights and you and everyone. the still doesn't make it right in itself for him to insult the religious. religion is a beautiful thing that i'm quite sad is not a part of my life. lol wish i could believe but i don't.
But you seem like a very reasonable person and i respect that, and i'm gratefull for that too, ou can imagine how many people on youtube have told me evolution>religion and how i'm an
DarncoL 1 year ago
@chessfan6 uneducated, zealot, moron.
lol and i understand that conditions were very different but if they had confirmed that life could be created as such then there would be a huge revalation in the scientific community and it would have been on every news channel. thats hasn't happened tho..
if you can give me the specific ingrediants for life and show that it makes it then great and i'm really quite pleased, but it hasn't been done.
there are plenty of reasons to believe in evolution
DarncoL 1 year ago
@chessfan6 thats very true, but it still remains a theory. and if it is not proven i do not believe it is at all right to say that the religious are wrong..
if neither are proven then we might as well accept both, and i still believe you should not insult people because of there beliefs..
but thats just me
props to you tho, lol i approve :P
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Evolutionmay still nee dfurther proof for you, but the religions are proved wrong by their own instruction manuals.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler just as it is rediculous that there is some great, all powerful being that made us and watches over us.
you need to learn some respect for other peoples beliefs, and understand that it is only the "theory of evolution"
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Remember its only the "word of god". But you have yet to show any evidence of god.
How can you compare the genetic evidence of evolution with the fantasy of religion. They are not equal. How does God get to be here? If life can't spontaneously errupt out of nothing or out of a pool of chemicals, then how does a universe creating god get to exist out of nothing?
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler lol i am not trying to show evidence or prove anything. I don't believe in god myself, but i do know enough that there is no proof of evolution either. There adaption made by different oragnisms true, but nothing significant enough to prove anything, humans havn't been around long enough to be able to prove it yet. the understanding is too limited as well.
as it is both are saying something from nothing and both are rediculous
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Well obviously its not ridiculous as something must have always been. But its bullshit to say I have to award equal validity to religion saying "god is there" "god just was" "god made it". I can point to the universe, no theist can point to god.
Equal, my arse, worthuy of respect my arse. They can shout from the rooftops "god is real", and I am not allowed to say "bullshit, you don't get respect for random proclamations"?
Evidence theists or shut up, cause bullshit earns you disrespect.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler all your saying is evolution is real, which is just another proclamation.
and yes you can point to the universe but you can't point to evolution, thats the comparison.
god and evolution are ways of veiwing how the universe cam to be, they are no it in itself.
and as for you "evidence theists" to you too
you don't have it, neither do they
if neither has proof that sounds about equal to pretty much anyone
it's a theory.. get over it
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Genetics of all the plants and animals link up in ways that indicate common ancestry, or that evolution is real, just like fossils indicate this. Thats evidence not just my say so.
"theory" is when its "proved" by evidence, what you are trying to say is its a hypothesis and is not backed by evidence yet so you can claim equal rights for a god guess. Sorry you are wrong about "theory" and are trying to use the word in place of "hypothesis", they are not the same, and your argument fails.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler please show me this proof, and it is off topic as well
i believe you have evolution confused in ways,
yes there is evolution. but first you must descern between micro and macro evolution as well you need to respect that the whole theory of evolution concerning the begining is biogenisis.
which is not proven to grow in symbiotic life, only speculation, only theory
and a law is prooved, theory not so much
think newton's laws, not his theory and you fail
DarncoL 1 year ago
@adolthitler altho now all that i can argue is that you are a blind douche, not blind for not having relgion but for failing to respect others in that choice.
i'm done, don't know why i even posted against a prick like you, if it makes you happy go for it and burn in hell or rot in your grave.
either way fuck you and enjoy trolling
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Well how do you earn respect for just having any old belief? I don't kill people for their beliefs like you theists do. Charming threats of eternal torture from your figment of your imagination. Thanks I'll cherish your respect forever. Do you wonder how I never gave you any respect? When did you earn my respect? LOL never.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler not my belief, not my relgion
but as i said your not worth the time.
but still are you seriously 42? lol your argument was not that of someone who is educated in the topic, your points were very general/common in knowledge.
so either your a deadbeat adult or your some retarded kid who put in some random age so he could watch some vids.
probably the later douchy kid
and i earn respect by not bashing peoples beliefs
and i gave u the atheist option
rot in your grave
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL "and i earn respect by not bashing peoples beliefs"
So you get respect by letting false beliefs slide?
You ARE respectable after all.
Why do I need specific facts for you? If the general comment is sufficient.
"the respect of a retard is not worth much"
Thats why I don't care about your respect.
Respecting all religious beliefs is a truce between religions, not a fact, not a moral, and is totally unreasonable.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler nothing wrong with letting people have their faith in peace, and yeah u need specific facts because your generalizations don't prove anything, the general comment is not better than going for general faith
and general seems to be all u can use to try n prove your view
and why should i care, whether u care about my respect? ur just a douchy lil kid
and ur last point is pretty retarded and ingorant if thats what ur religious knowledge is
doesn't even warrant response
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Letting them have their faith in peace? So they may recruit others, without opposition?
I notice all your arguments are more general than mine and almost solely ad hominem. Regardless of my being a "kid", you need to address why lies, named a religion are acceptable to be passed from person to person, and why its entitled to respect. I suspect you have no real answer why its acceptable, except I am a kid. How very adult of you? This how you win all your debates?
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler lol recruit? that not the case and even ur smart enough to know that. people join a relgion based on belief. Anything to do with recruitment is policical and factional.
lol and they are acceptably passed because most convey a good message and they are not proven to be lies.
thats a real answer.
all i'm asking is for direct proof, this issue is u can't give it since it has not been found and this makes ur way representing ur faith unacceptable
typical kid who doesn't know better
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Yes recruit. Recruit by doorknocking, recruit by charity to those down on their luck with forced services and prayers as "repayment".
Direct proof you arse, is the genetics of all animals and plants, fossils, livestock and pet breeding many different varieties of animals from a seed stock. If you don't see the evidence, then you are blind.
Direct proof is from the "design" of the human eye, that is so bad, it only makes sense from evolutionary accident, rather than actual design.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler lol forced? has any church forced you into their congregation? didn't think so
charity? that doesn't sound bad at all, whats your point there? any "forcing" done is like i said done by political or factional groups
lol and thats not proof, thats the theory of evolution/ more accurately bio genisis, we've already talked about that, and that it is just a theory, please don't try to use old points that didn't work the first time
breeding n evolution yes, but not like how u think
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Actually I was forced into a church congregation. I was beaten with a shoe, to dress appropriately for gods house, I was beaten with the shoe, to attend gods house, I was beaten with a shoe for asking why god was immoral for doing what he did.
I did not use abiogenesis. I used genetics showing the tree of life as it branched out from common ancestors.
I used the poor design of the eye to argue against design. No design then leaves evolution.
Thats all the proof you should need.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler lol and your point about the eye is old and worn from overuse, everyone knows about this point but really what is the issue? i'm sure u've had no issues with ur brain flipping an image, if u have shitty buzz :P
but there is no reason to point out something that works fine as an issue just cause u think there could be a different way
that and the brain is not completely understood, the points can't be completely jusified
it was just people, smarter than u or i searching 4 another
DarncoL 1 year ago
@adolthitler reason to try and disprove intellegent design.
also keep in mind that very similar point are used to debate for god "this was made so much like this so it must be so"
i'll repeat, im not proving god
but i am saying that neither u nor anyone on the side of science can disprove him with proof
show me the exact genetic strands, make them from mere chemicals and make the evolve appropriatly
the point will be proven but it has not been yet
science is based on truth thru proof/study
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL +keep in mind that very similar point are used to debate for god "this was made so much like this so it must be so"+
Thats why I used the eye. The god made it argument is based on its perfection. The fact that it has basic design flaws shows its design is crap. Even human designers that cannot make biological items at will would not design an eye so badly. My proof is camera designers, do not put anything in front of the film or chip that would obscure the picture. Gods design fails.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler lol first of all, god does not claim for people to be perfect in any way. that includes design.
it is said that he made man in an image of himself but not that we were made to be like god.
next, u fail to acknowlegde that it is not an issue, people can see, the design works fine as far as anyone who cares to see is concerned.
and such a design as potential for postive brain stimulus.
and looking at how a cam designer makes a camera is not proof, u can't compare one to god
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL The point is no designer would design it like that. No rational designer, no imtelligent designer. Crazy fucked up designer sure he might. But its not said he is crazy and fucked up, its said he is perfect.
The design fails from the fact that it is a kludge not a design. that it works and that it is a kludge shows evolution. Not design.
You can't compare gods design, I can. Gods shit design points to a shit god. Best design in class does not have faults and work arounds.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler you suposed "proof" is only observations on how something might of been done differently, it does not give god to be false as direct proof
it's just people trying to find another way to disprove god, which is fine but it doesn't come anywhere near to doing the job
you've still failed to support your arguement with any hard proven fact, sciences' main virtue
DarncoL 1 year ago
@DarncoL Hard fact = genetics showing common ancestry. How many times do I have to say it? Its a fact.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler and when did i ever ask for your respect?
the respect of a retard is not worth much
DarncoL 1 year ago
@adolthitler but as it is my main belief is respect for other beliefs, which is lost in a comment that says they are incapable of logic.
All we've said is a theory one way or the other and that there is no proof either way, only that one way suits or respective views.
as it is there hard proof either way, if there was we wouldn't have this convo.
and until there is proof.. it is wrong (my opinion) to insult someone elses beliefs.
even after but still..
DarncoL 1 year ago
@adolthitler @adolthitler I think it's a huge stretch to compare the brain of a fruit fly to that of humans, and draw conclusions about human behaviour from that. Even the religious deserve more credit than that =P.
chessfan6 1 year ago
@chessfan6 I did not compare the religious to a fruit fly. I respect fruit flies.
I did say "their inner critic is trained to smack down any logic due to the feelings it arouses."
They respond to their fears and uneasiness by blocking the logic. Thats not the same as "not capable of logic". Basically the religion is like an immunisation against logic that harms their religious belief. It arouses an emotional response that then voids the logic.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler No, it doesn't. First of all, you mistakenly contrast religious beliefs to logic probably because you have a misunderstanding of logic as "truth". Secondly, you ignore the fact the many atheist once held religious beliefs. That completely goes against your generalization that " the religious are incapable of logic". You're just another pretentious person trying to feel superior by attacking a now easy target, religion. But, you don't have any original insight or real analysis.
maillort 1 year ago
@maillort Original insight? How do I get that with so many people in existance and this dispute having gone obnn for so long? How many arguments do theists have for gods existance? Only a handful, and each one has been debunked in a multitude of ways.
Why do you insist on respect for feelings that lead to denial of reality?
I also was a raised a theist. My generalisation stands because theists hear the logic and ignore it. They know iits a lie and still choose to wallow in it.
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler Why should I respect you for your ignoring truth? Insight? LOL we are all standing on the shoulders of those who went before us. Yet even when you are spoonfed all the arguments you still fail to get to the correct answer. Are you worthy of respect?
adolthitler 1 year ago
@adolthitler No, it doesn't. First of all, you mistakenly contrast religious beliefs to logic probably because you have a misunderstanding of logic as "truth". Secondly, you ignore the fact the many atheist once held religious beliefs. That completely goes against your generalization that " the religious are incapable of logic". You're just another pretentious person trying to feel superior by attacking a now easy target, religion. But, you don't have any original insight or real analysis.
maillort 1 year ago
@adolthitler No, it doesn't. First of all, you mistakenly contrast religious beliefs to logic probably because you have a misunderstanding of logic as "truth". Secondly, you ignore the fact the many atheist once held religious beliefs. That completely goes against your generalization that " the religious are incapable of logic". You're just another pretentious person trying to feel superior by attacking a now easy target, religion. But, you don't have any original insight or real analysis.
maillort 1 year ago
@adolthitler
Studies have shown that people with religious beliefs live longer. So when you're dead, I'll be chasing the nurses and singing hymns.
Religion has nothing to do with whether people are logical or not. Previous to the Enlightenment and the entrenchment of purely materialist science, everybody was religious.
celticphrog 1 year ago
@celticphrog The reason religious believers "live longer" has nothing to do with "god", but with the fact that they believe in SOMETHING. Same researchers have stated that it IS the sense of meaning, social activity, community sense and lifestyle this people engage with (which enhances our brain activity and boost our inmune system) and not merely "believeing". This is truth for atheist as well: Purpose, meaning and strong community interaction is not solely saved for "the believers"... you
arhabersham 1 year ago
@adolthitler what the fuck? Stay on topic you idiot
nybombs 1 year ago
@adolthitler That is quite an exaggeration. Without logic a person could not live without being VERY dependent on their peers.
iROFLatYouSOxD 1 year ago
This is so fascinating but at the same time so horrible !!!
GLFREDD 1 year ago
Is that guy wearing a diaper? I think he's wearing a diaper.
koreanrobot47 1 year ago
Interesting and good talk with great jokes :P
Jontman42 1 year ago
The lab I'm at at NIH has a similar approach: destroy parts of the brain to examine the effects.
wretcherwretch 1 year ago
Lol I love how half the audience looks either shocked or angry.
xilliah 1 year ago
80th comment!!!
LikeC10ckw0rk 1 year ago
I wonder if this is realed to tavistock
saasaasaa010101 1 year ago
Hey, I cut the heads off of plenty of D. Melanogaster in my lab, and I didn't get my own talk >:(
koniginator 1 year ago
"The only trait that survives decapitation is vanity."
Words everyone needs to hear.
goneutt 1 year ago 4
Sometimes he sounds a bit like an Austrian Christopher Walken, in the way he aspirates some words.
Jaikkanen 1 year ago
This guy is doing amazing work!
batfly 1 year ago
He doesnt make a clear point. He just stuffs his findings in a flabby speech.
opnasd 1 year ago
I really like this, except I don't like where hes going with this. What if they have the neurones that control thrust become set off by some magnetic field. Then they placed the magnetic field around a pop machine. Wouldn't the people with altered neurones be more likely to buy the pop, weather its good for them or not? . . . . . . . . . . . .The future scares me.......
lilthug19908 1 year ago
@lilthug19908
How do you know you are not already being manipulated right now?
Or are you just being paranoid? Wait what is that sound pounding in my mind?
The birds are coming for us all! Run Run RUN!
batfly 1 year ago
@lilthug19908 Agreed. Orwell's vision of the future in 1984 is tame by comparison. Will we become monsters?
malcolmbryant 1 year ago
@lilthug19908 "What if they have the neurones that control thrust become set off by some magnetic field. Then they placed the magnetic field around a pop machine."
despite finding this talk hugely interesting and intriguing I couldn't help having the same thoughts. With any luck nothing like that will be possible while I'm alive but still its a little unnerving.
WhichDoctor1 1 year ago
Wow! I should watch this anytime I don't feel sleepy enough to go to bed!
Arm4g3dd0nX 1 year ago
vote... fly for president...
h0tie 1 year ago
That was a good talk. The guy was humble, likeable and explained himself well. Fascinating area of research.
LAnonHubbard 1 year ago
wow that was short!!! but greatt!
This is a true TED talk!
atheistonly 1 year ago