Sir your God knew the outcome before the start, but still insists on holding us accountable for sins he knew we would commit before the foundation of the world
Free will doesn't work because your God knew all the long range consequences for giving us free will, again, before the foundation of the world.
The only thing that makes any of this reasonable is might makes right.
God might as well have cut out the middle man and just created me in hell.
@jhill1299 to the people who like this......good luck with missing out on harmless fun in life because your afraid of offending a make believe deity....
@bubtehzombee ever heard of the black sea scrolls? and yeah Jesus obviously "deliberately" died quickly so they wouldnt break his legs as predicted right? same with the other 1000+ uncontrollably fulfilled prophesies..even the weather and physical nature of the earth seem to be in on this huge lie. You'd need a lot more faith to think that all this happened by chance than to believe there was some supernatural power behind it.
@bubtehzombee ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? and yeah Jesus obviously "deliberately" died quickly so they wouldnt break his legs as predicted right? same with the other 1000+ uncontrollably fulfilled prophesies..even the weather and physical nature of the earth seem to be in on this huge lie. You'd need a lot more faith to think that all this happened by chance than to believe there was some supernatural power behind it.
"and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
Trying to use the bible to prove the bible is like trying to use a SAW movie to prove John Saw really existed.
Given there are NO accounts from secular writters from the time of this Jesus & The fact that there are no J's in Hebrew all point to Jesus Christ being a man made work of fiction not a real person.
Which the so called prophecies being fulfilled is no more shocking then a Saw movie fulfilling the wishes of John Saw after his Death in movie 3.
@PastorIblis So your one of those people that claims jesus is a myth, i thought people had gotten over that ridiculas claim, you do know almost every respected historian and scholar admit jesus was a real person now, they just debate on who he was. There are a few that believe he never existed, but most believe he did, the hebrew people believe he existed, the romans believed he existed, the arabs believe he existed, they where the people that lived in the regions, they should know.
The Jesus myth is a core part of the political system that runs this world so of course the figurehead of their bullshit will be pushed as if he really existed.
The story of Jesus could very easily have been lifted from the life of Apollonius of Tyana.
What is funny as hell is you people can't use a simple calander.
I gave this video a great shot at convincing me otherwise of my way of thinking (atheism), but it didnt seem enough for me. All of the proof of the bible being real came from the bible... Sorry :/
@drtool23 God's moral standards? No thanks! Look at how God rewards child sacrifice for Jephthah, how he arranges the killing of Job's beloved children just because Job trusted God, how God commands his people to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their murdered mothers and take them home to share with YHVH's priests, how he approves of public rape to punish people. Look at the command to practice ritualized cannibalism! What a wonderful pattern for morality!
The messiah was supposed to be from Bethelhem and called Emanuelle. Jesus was from Nazareth and the authors have different views of where he was born and how he traveled to bethelhem afterwards. It just proves that the later stories tried to sell him as the messiah and failed to remain consistent to each other.
if God doesnt exists, why are you arguing, it seems irrelevant, God does exists, no words I can help explain except what the Bible says and that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Sorry. But the palestinians have NEVER existed as an official society. That claim dates back to Augustus Cezars's lover named Hadrian who took all the maps and renamed Israel PALESTINE.
Um, has anyone ever heard of Mithras? that is the god that jesus was copied from. Jesus is not original. He is a direct copy from someone else's religion. christianity does not have one original thought. I am amazed at how christians can blindly believe something that just isn't true.
@divasue You've bought that Zeitgeist crap, eh? Mithras as he existed at the time of the NT writing was Persian (the Roman myth postdates Christianity) and has nothing in common w/ Jesus.
Zeitgeist's mythology has been thoroughly debunked. You owe it to yourself to do some real research before you believe a lie at the expense of your eternal soul. Maybe googling 'zeitgeist debunked' will yield good results for you. At least do SOME research, divasue.
boan000, if God doesnt exists, why are you arguing, it seems irrelevant, God does exists, no words I can help explain except what the Bible says and that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Still sounds like "born" to me. Unless you mean like, literally born, from the womb of a female or hatching from an egg. In which case, seek psychiatric attention.
@Imaginefree69 - your interpretation of the gospel is very telling. You have a serious chip on your shoulder.
The 'good news' is that though we all deserve judgment and God's wrath because of our sins, he has made a way through the death and resurrection of Christ for us to be forgiven and inherit eternal life. It is by his grace, b/c of his mercy, that we are adopted into his family when we believe on Christ. If you repent and believe, you will be forgiven and can come to know your Creator.
"we all deserve judgment and God's wrath " Speak for yourself, please. Justice requires that the punishment be proportional to the crime. Infinite, eternal, unbearable torture is NOT a just response to, say, failure to believe. Especially when your god claims to grant or with hold faith at his own whim. In fact, your god forbids punishing people for the deeds of their fathers, yet all of humanity is cursed and condemned because Adam ate a bit of fruit? It's a MYTH, dude. And a silly one at that.
@Imaginefree69 "Justice requires that the punishment be proportional to the crime"
Yeah, that's right. That's why unbelief has eternal consequences. The Son of God became flesh. taking on the nature of a servant. He humbled himself and paid the penalty for your sins. If you are not willing to receive him, the penalty falls back on you. The reality is that you possess an eternal spirit. That spirit will either be with God in heaven, or seperated from him in the lake of fire.
...spirit will either be with God in heaven, or seperated from him in the lake of fire. If you reject Christ, you are choosing seperation from God and that is what you will receive. You just don't understand how horrific total seperation from the goodness of God will be.
@Imaginefree69 "It's just a myth, on par with Zeus, Apollo, Krishna,
and all the other fireside stories of ignorant humans"
You're certainly welcome to your opinion. Might I ask though why you spend so much time and energy attempting to discredit Christianity but seemingly leave the other religions alone? It is almost as if you have hatred for Jesus Christ, a being you claim to be mythical. This seems rather silly to me.
So what you are saying is that purely by chance... there is a 1 in 10 to the 2,000 power chance that all of your supposed phrophesies were supposedly fulfilled completely by chance.....well....I guess you gotta start somewhere. So in effect, your saying that you are not 100% certain that God exists, almost, but not quite....wouldn't that put you into the agnostic camp? Just wondering.
Judging by those numbers, I guess what it means is that if a person was given a quadrillion lifetimes to live, then there might possibly arise a brief moment of time where unbelief woud be justified by statistics and probablity alone.
What the.. You're seriously using mathematical probability to "prove" that the Bible is correct? No, no, no, no, no. Don't. That's not how it works, seriously. You can't round up the prophecies and then decide what numeric values they have.
Also, well done whoever's quoting the Bible to someone who clearly doesn't believe in it.
Please say you are a parody, I find it hard to believe anyone would expect the recipitent to believe what your saying when so manyof your facts are wrong.
In particular much of what your calling historical information isn't so, I would suggest learning history from a source other than creationist websites and texts.
I practically tremble with excitement when I hear of what Isaiah wrote in Isaiah 66:8.
As a matter of fact the prophet himself seems to at a bit of a loss for words!
"Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."
ON MAY 15TH 1948 WHAT EVERY MAJOR PROPHET IN THE BIBLE HAD BEEN SAYING CAME TO PASS!
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man, the weakness of God stronger than man."
You may think it stupid. Not sure about the accuracy of the number given here (a solid 2000?) But I know from my own studies that 13 of these 2000 prophecies alone cranked up to 1 in 10 to the power of 138. You.......will have no excuse, when you stand before God. :( So don't let it come to that man. His love is being offered...accept it, and secure your eternity. For Christ wished none would perish!
"Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."
The bible speaks of loving your enemy. If the evil, godless non-believers are not entitled to this love of yours, and thus aren't your "brothers", only then will you not go to hell for calling people fools. Either you do NOT fulfill this wish of your god that everybody deserve your love... Or you get to go to hell. According to this dusty book.
I was loving my enemy :) It was a statement of correction. And no, brothers refers to brothers in God, go read the bible again. Thus, do I love my enemy, yet call this man, correctly, a fool. Stop pretending to know anything about the bible.
Genesis chapter 1 Verse 21- God made the birds (day 5) V 25- God made the wild animals (day 6) V 27- God created man in his own image.. male and female he created them Now chapter 2 V7- God made man from the dust of the ground V19- God made birds and ALL the beasts (same day!) V22- God made a woman from the man's rib (because he didn't want to marry an aardvark or a zebra) It's a direct contradiction. They cannot both be true.
Genesis 2 isn't a chronological account of creation; the text doesn't say that God formed the animals after he made Adam, only that he formed them and brought them to Adam. It does not deal with the time-frame at all. For example, there is no use of words like "then" or other chronological indicators. So, Gen 2 does not contradict the chronological account of chapter 1, you are simply inferring chronological sequence where none exists.
7- the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground..
8- And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9- And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree
18- And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19- And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast
@Imaginefree69 "If you can't see the chronology, you are willingly deceived."
Sorry, but it's you who are willingly deceived if you continue to insist that 'and' denotes chronology. For example, if I say "I went to the store and the car wash." no chronological sequence is implied. But if I insert 'then' or 'next' into the sentence, chronological sequence is established. Since Genesis 2 doesn't use chronological words, you are in error to insist that it's a chronological telling of creation.
The only thing that you can correctly deduce is that God brought the animals to Adam for naming before he created woman. This does not contradict the account in chapter 1. We are not told that Eve was made IMMEDIATELY after Adam.
Chapter 1 v11- grass, herbs, trees v20, 21- fish, fowls, marine animals v.25- land animals v27- Man and Woman created together Chapter 2 v.5- no plants yet v.7- Man created v8- garden planted, Man put in it v9- trees appear v19- every beast and fowl created v22- Eve created These are mutually exclusive sequences. Just look at where Woman was created in each account.
"Is so!" "Is not!" "Is so!" "Is not!" If this is your idea of a discussion, count me out. Cling to your myth, if that pleases you. Having graduated from a 4-year Bible College I can tell you that a large part of theological training consists of learning to swallow large and awkward incongruities without choking. You're getting very good at it. Adios.
@Imaginefree69 "Having graduated from a 4-year Bible College"
Yeah, salvation is not about what you know, but about who you know. It's a pity that you studied the Bible for four years and never got to know the God who inspired it.
It seems to me that you gleefully latch on to the passages that give you trouble in the hope that you can absolve yourself of responsibility for your sin. As a Bible college student, you surely know the folly of that position.
@Imaginefree69 Wow! It seems like every were I go, I see your name , and your always talking about God and the bible, it seems You are Obsessed with God and his word, which I find so funny, you fight so hard to prove he does not exist or that the whole thing is a myth, and yet He is all you talk about, That is God of course I mean. I just find you on most Christian videos spewing the same things. OBSESSED MUCH
@greatestgiftis !!! THOSE LIKE THAT PERSON ARE IN A LOST CAUSE. THEY KNOW DEEP DOWN INSIDE THEY ARE DEFEATED !!! THEY ARE TRYING SOO DESPERATELY TO MAKE RIGHT THERE WRONG THEY HAVE WITH IN THEM !!! : )
@greatestgiftis I spent over 40 years as a pastor and Bible teacher. now I know that I was wrong, and that this religion does a lot of harm. Also, I am terminally ill (which is why it has taken me so long to reply), and I am using my remaining energy and time to try to make amends by speaking the truth. Not an obsession so much as a moral obligation. But thanks for the hostility. You help me to show that believing this fairy tale does NOT make people more loving or tolerant.
@Imaginefree69 They went out from among us because they were never truely of us. So basicaly you never were a Christian . According to the bible I'm sure you have read that verse. It's just like the part in Revelations Lord Lord, depart from me I never new you.
The only thing you proved was your obssesed with God an religion,I've had conversation with you along time ago, trust me I know you, what's sad is your ill, and will meet god shortly, second your waisting your time that's left
Ok so, the Old Testament was able to tell what will be written in the new testament... and what people would do by following what was written in the bible.
Like, Jerusalem was built where it is because everyone thought "hey, let's build Jerusalem on the location told by the Bible !". And it wasn't hard for the people who wrote the bible to follow the story of the old testament...
WAIT ! I AM GOD ! I can tell that I'm going to type a smiley, write at the end of my message !
Tell me then why was he born on the exact year the bible said? and why was he born in the exact city? then why did the priests offer Judas 30 pieces of silver if they didn't want people to believe? how then did Isaiah know his hands and feet would eventually be pierced? The Romans did that to him not his own. they had hundreds of ways too kill people how then did they say the exact method? If you read the bible enough you would know that many things were out of his Jesus' hands.
Pretty easy. The same reason. The authors of the new testament had read the old testament. They wrote what they thought would fulfill old testament prophecies. This isn't rocket science, if god wanted to impress us with prophecy why didn't he just devote a chapter to something know one could have possibly known at the time, like basic principles of math, physics, chemistry or maybe the structure of DNA or the idea that germs are the primary cause of disease? Oh that's right, the author couldn't.
the NT was hand written into 10,000+ manuscripts at a time when Christians and believing in Christ was punishable by death. why fake and die for something was a lie.
Libraries & internet wasn't around.
Ppl thought the prophecies were inserted into the OT. they were proven wrong and the NT was verified, at the findings of the dead sea scrolls with money intact. no one tampered the scrolls because if someone tried to, the money would have been taken.
Really? None of you question the fact that these prophecies were written and shown as 'fulfilled' within the same book hundreds of years after they had apparently occurred? Nostradamus' predictions are more credible, in comparison. And on the same token, the Oracle of Ancient Greece's prophecy about Leonidas and the 300 dying came true - therefore, the Greek Gods are, without a doubt, true. C'mon. You're adults. It's time to stop believing in Santa Jesus.
well is there a book that has the same accuracy as the bible? please tell me if there is. the odds are overwhelming. this is why nobody can disprove the bible. Jesus is the messiah and he is the only way to heaven. If you don't accept him and you want to reject the bible what brought you to watch this video. over 2000 prophesies has been fulfilled please tell me how this could be without God's hand in it.
Yeah, there are books like that. Nostradamus' book has been pretty spot on accurate with hundreds of prophecies, on that note, all of which came true hundreds of years after he had written the prophecies. Unlike the Bible, where the prophecies were written about and then said to have been fulfilled within the same book, which people like you don't seem to grasp. It's almost like you think the Bible was written before 300 AD under Constantine.
Oh, and something else you might want to check in to. The Bible is composed of the four gospels it has for a reason; they were chosen because they were "Christian Philosophy 101." They weren't intended to be read as 100%, undeniable, literal fact. They were meant to be read in a philosophical and metaphorical sense. To add insult to injury, at least one of the apostles (Either John or Paul, I believe) was illiterate; he didn't write the gospel he is said to have written.
actually they are. The four gospels were written by four people and I believe two apostles were names John and if one was illiterate maybe he learned how to write later on or asked somebody else to write what he said. Besides all four books were written from a different point of view.
Fitting screen name. He didn't "learn how to write later on," and while it's possible he could have had a scribe write one or two of the letters for him, the majority of the letters (Romans, Levictus) come from time periods where the author would've been unable to write them, meaning someone else wrote them in his stead, using his name to push their own agendas. Just because you don't like the truth of the matter doesn't mean you can simply disregard it and have it no longer apply. Sorry.
I'm not quite sure to whom you're referring as being illiterate, but many of the new testament books say specifically who wrote it as many of them are letters to churches and are in common letter format of that time.
Can you quote verbatim one prophecy of Nostradamus that has been fulfilled? Although the writers of the Christian Bible could have fabricated connections to the Jewish Bible, one wonders what the motivation would have been. They lived at a time when they faced persecution from both the Jews and Romans for their beliefs. Why tell a pack of lies when your only reward is death? Why tell a pack of lies just to promote a high moral code? It is not logical.
I never said you were. I simply stated that I am not interested in any other source. If you want to look into pictographs then look into those of the time of Pharoah Ah Mose. The proof of his interactions with Moses and GOD is in those. As far as the venus and mercury and numerology stuff some believe in, I dont. Everyone has thier own belief and as long as it leads them to Christ & hence to GOD, its all good. :)
Try to get over it Dim, I believe The Bible is the accurate word of GOD (not osirus, or venus :P ). Nothing anyone could ever possibly say to me would change what I believe & that is that GOD is THE Almighty, Jesus is his son, who was sacrificed & died for us & the holy spirit is a part tho independant, of them both as well. I will not sit here & condemn other's beliefs, they have thier choices & Ive made mine. Ive seen my evidence & believe, so, Its all good :)
Haha you silly believers will be a great source of humor for the rest of my life :D
yougotubeyourself 5 months ago
Sir your God knew the outcome before the start, but still insists on holding us accountable for sins he knew we would commit before the foundation of the world
Free will doesn't work because your God knew all the long range consequences for giving us free will, again, before the foundation of the world.
The only thing that makes any of this reasonable is might makes right.
God might as well have cut out the middle man and just created me in hell.
metalsusa1 8 months ago
to the people that disliked this......good luck in life without god....
jhill1299 8 months ago
@jhill1299 to the people who like this......good luck with missing out on harmless fun in life because your afraid of offending a make believe deity....
metalsusa1 8 months ago
If the chance of the bible being correct is that low, you're an idiot for believing in it.
The chance is even lower because of the HUNDREDS of other existing religions.
If you need to use the Bible to prove the Bible correct, you don't need to believe in it.
You baisically said this: The bible is correct because the bible said prophecies were predicted and they happened because the bible says it happened.
Vessoland 9 months ago
1:100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 wow
arealisticone 1 year ago
So... I'm supposed to convert for this? Some ancient forgeries and deliberate fulfillment of prophecy by modern believers? Please.
bubtehzombee 1 year ago
@bubtehzombee ever heard of the black sea scrolls? and yeah Jesus obviously "deliberately" died quickly so they wouldnt break his legs as predicted right? same with the other 1000+ uncontrollably fulfilled prophesies..even the weather and physical nature of the earth seem to be in on this huge lie. You'd need a lot more faith to think that all this happened by chance than to believe there was some supernatural power behind it.
billandfritzat 10 months ago
@bubtehzombee ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? and yeah Jesus obviously "deliberately" died quickly so they wouldnt break his legs as predicted right? same with the other 1000+ uncontrollably fulfilled prophesies..even the weather and physical nature of the earth seem to be in on this huge lie. You'd need a lot more faith to think that all this happened by chance than to believe there was some supernatural power behind it.
billandfritzat 10 months ago
@billandfritzat Indeed, but it didn`t happen.
Matthew 27:52-53
"and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
Did this happen, yes or no ?
tallliza 9 months ago
Trying to use the bible to prove the bible is like trying to use a SAW movie to prove John Saw really existed.
Given there are NO accounts from secular writters from the time of this Jesus & The fact that there are no J's in Hebrew all point to Jesus Christ being a man made work of fiction not a real person.
Which the so called prophecies being fulfilled is no more shocking then a Saw movie fulfilling the wishes of John Saw after his Death in movie 3.
PastorIblis 1 year ago
@PastorIblis So your one of those people that claims jesus is a myth, i thought people had gotten over that ridiculas claim, you do know almost every respected historian and scholar admit jesus was a real person now, they just debate on who he was. There are a few that believe he never existed, but most believe he did, the hebrew people believe he existed, the romans believed he existed, the arabs believe he existed, they where the people that lived in the regions, they should know.
soulja3001 1 year ago
@soulja3001
The Jesus myth is a core part of the political system that runs this world so of course the figurehead of their bullshit will be pushed as if he really existed.
The story of Jesus could very easily have been lifted from the life of Apollonius of Tyana.
What is funny as hell is you people can't use a simple calander.
Jesus died on a Friday night.
Rose again on Sunday morning.
That is not even two days!
More like a Day and a half!
Remember the days were Evening to Morning
PastorIblis 1 year ago
@soulja3001 Very Well Said, thank you and God Bless You!!
funjoanofarc 1 year ago
I gave this video a great shot at convincing me otherwise of my way of thinking (atheism), but it didnt seem enough for me. All of the proof of the bible being real came from the bible... Sorry :/
bindingflame1 1 year ago
Test. Waiting comment approval? Typical
Killjeser 1 year ago
!!! HIS MERCY REINS FOR-EVER !!! NON BELIEVERS WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THERE CONSEQUENCES IN THE END !!! REGARDLESS SMALL OR LARGE !!!
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@drtool23 God's moral standards? No thanks! Look at how God rewards child sacrifice for Jephthah, how he arranges the killing of Job's beloved children just because Job trusted God, how God commands his people to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their murdered mothers and take them home to share with YHVH's priests, how he approves of public rape to punish people. Look at the command to practice ritualized cannibalism! What a wonderful pattern for morality!
lizazoon 1 year ago
@drtool23 K there.
PowerfulProducti0nz 8 months ago
@drtool23 ... yeah calm down jesus
TheLinemaniac 7 months ago
:)!!!!!!<3 I love God, I love Jesus!
Musiclover311 1 year ago
The messiah was supposed to be from Bethelhem and called Emanuelle. Jesus was from Nazareth and the authors have different views of where he was born and how he traveled to bethelhem afterwards. It just proves that the later stories tried to sell him as the messiah and failed to remain consistent to each other.
Killjeser 1 year ago
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if God doesnt exists, why are you arguing, it seems irrelevant, God does exists, no words I can help explain except what the Bible says and that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Psalm18Verse9 2 years ago
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Psalm18Verse9 2 years ago
@rmarcontell
Hence you resort to a lie claiming Him to be a lie when the proof everyone sees for a real God is streaming right to your face.
Denial...
johnlewisbrooks 2 years ago
Actually, the fastest-growing "religious" position
world-wide is atheism.
So it's a fallacy to speak of
"the proof everyone sees for a real God.."
If there were proof, everyone would worship your god by now.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
@rmarcontell
Hence Isaiah and Jeremiah and even Christ foretelling the destruction of Israel.
Hence it happened in 70AD when General Titus and the 10th Roman Leigion sacked Jerusalem and crucified over 10 million of them.
Hence the impossible prophecy of them coming back in 1948.
Need any more HENCES?
johnlewisbrooks 2 years ago
@rmarcontell
Sorry. But the palestinians have NEVER existed as an official society. That claim dates back to Augustus Cezars's lover named Hadrian who took all the maps and renamed Israel PALESTINE.
FAIL, yet again.
And I don't have a religion, I have a REALITY!
johnlewisbrooks 2 years ago
Um, has anyone ever heard of Mithras? that is the god that jesus was copied from. Jesus is not original. He is a direct copy from someone else's religion. christianity does not have one original thought. I am amazed at how christians can blindly believe something that just isn't true.
divasue 2 years ago
@divasue You've bought that Zeitgeist crap, eh? Mithras as he existed at the time of the NT writing was Persian (the Roman myth postdates Christianity) and has nothing in common w/ Jesus.
Zeitgeist's mythology has been thoroughly debunked. You owe it to yourself to do some real research before you believe a lie at the expense of your eternal soul. Maybe googling 'zeitgeist debunked' will yield good results for you. At least do SOME research, divasue.
boan000 2 years ago
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boan000, if God doesnt exists, why are you arguing, it seems irrelevant, God does exists, no words I can help explain except what the Bible says and that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Psalm18Verse9 2 years ago
Still sounds like "born" to me. Unless you mean like, literally born, from the womb of a female or hatching from an egg. In which case, seek psychiatric attention.
MorpheusOmikron 2 years ago
one hundred quintillion
KiptaviusFuzz 2 years ago
@rmarcontell
Alright. The Sun doesn't move UP because there is no UP in outer space.
Happy?
johnlewisbrooks 2 years ago
yes because the bible means your god is true NEWS FLASH people believed in other gods than yours
mobby32 2 years ago
Ah, yes- the "good news."
"Love me and believe me
or I will burn you for ever
in the torture chamber I invented."
That's certainly great news!
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
@Imaginefree69 - your interpretation of the gospel is very telling. You have a serious chip on your shoulder.
The 'good news' is that though we all deserve judgment and God's wrath because of our sins, he has made a way through the death and resurrection of Christ for us to be forgiven and inherit eternal life. It is by his grace, b/c of his mercy, that we are adopted into his family when we believe on Christ. If you repent and believe, you will be forgiven and can come to know your Creator.
boan000 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
@Imaginefree69 "Justice requires that the punishment be proportional to the crime"
Yeah, that's right. That's why unbelief has eternal consequences. The Son of God became flesh. taking on the nature of a servant. He humbled himself and paid the penalty for your sins. If you are not willing to receive him, the penalty falls back on you. The reality is that you possess an eternal spirit. That spirit will either be with God in heaven, or seperated from him in the lake of fire.
(cont'd)
boan000 2 years ago
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(cont'd)
...spirit will either be with God in heaven, or seperated from him in the lake of fire. If you reject Christ, you are choosing seperation from God and that is what you will receive. You just don't understand how horrific total seperation from the goodness of God will be.
boan000 2 years ago
"Eternal consequences"?
You mean eternal torture by the "god of love."
And, really, this whole discussion is nonsense,
as we are acting as though this bloody, evil myth
concocted by bronze-age nomads afraid of the dark
is somehow real and literal.
It's just a myth, on par with Zeus, Apollo, Krishna,
and all the other fireside stories of ignorant humans.
Education dissolves religion,
and yours is no different from any other.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
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boan000 2 years ago
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@Imaginefree69 "It's just a myth, on par with Zeus, Apollo, Krishna,
and all the other fireside stories of ignorant humans"
You're certainly welcome to your opinion. Might I ask though why you spend so much time and energy attempting to discredit Christianity but seemingly leave the other religions alone? It is almost as if you have hatred for Jesus Christ, a being you claim to be mythical. This seems rather silly to me.
boan000 2 years ago
"The possibility for the bible to be correct on all its prophesies is 1 in 10 to the 2000th power"
Okay...
But as the prophecies are NOT true,
what's your point?
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"But as the prophecies are NOT true"
Name one.
They are all indeed true.
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Opedius 2 years ago
So what you are saying is that purely by chance... there is a 1 in 10 to the 2,000 power chance that all of your supposed phrophesies were supposedly fulfilled completely by chance.....well....I guess you gotta start somewhere. So in effect, your saying that you are not 100% certain that God exists, almost, but not quite....wouldn't that put you into the agnostic camp? Just wondering.
Antichryst666 2 years ago
Judging by those numbers, I guess what it means is that if a person was given a quadrillion lifetimes to live, then there might possibly arise a brief moment of time where unbelief woud be justified by statistics and probablity alone.
boan000 2 years ago
What the.. You're seriously using mathematical probability to "prove" that the Bible is correct? No, no, no, no, no. Don't. That's not how it works, seriously. You can't round up the prophecies and then decide what numeric values they have.
Also, well done whoever's quoting the Bible to someone who clearly doesn't believe in it.
Aarrrgghhhhhh.
cracker0 2 years ago
Chance of a christian god existing = so close to zero it's impossible to round up
Paxmax 2 years ago
Chance of a christian god existing =.......1. In 1.
MorpheusOmikron 2 years ago
copy and add much?
chance of atleast some entertainment from you = 0
Paxmax 2 years ago
lol
MorpheusOmikron 2 years ago
Probability of strolling around after being dead for three days = zero.
strontiumcrypt 2 years ago
Please say you are a parody, I find it hard to believe anyone would expect the recipitent to believe what your saying when so manyof your facts are wrong.
In particular much of what your calling historical information isn't so, I would suggest learning history from a source other than creationist websites and texts.
bloodyrediron 2 years ago
Can you please show your working out? I would like to know how you determined the odds of biblical prophesy correctedness as being 1/20^2000.
It looks like you just pulled the number out of your imagination and wishful thinking for facts to back your argument.
deconverts 2 years ago
my head is hurting from the number of facepalms
SpiritKeeper 2 years ago
I practically tremble with excitement when I hear of what Isaiah wrote in Isaiah 66:8.
As a matter of fact the prophet himself seems to at a bit of a loss for words!
"Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."
ON MAY 15TH 1948 WHAT EVERY MAJOR PROPHET IN THE BIBLE HAD BEEN SAYING CAME TO PASS!
ISRAEL WAS REBORN!
johnlewisbrooks 2 years ago
oh ffs
SpiritKeeper 2 years ago 4
Firstly i want to apologise as i couldnt sit through your whole presentation i probably got halfway through it.
But are the prophecies you quoted from the bible?
i.e "whomever" said so and so will happen and the bible said it happened
My opinion is that u cant use something from the bible to back up the bible itself?
Improbability of chance doesnt prove something, evidence does like find noah ark itself is
Correct me if im wrong didnt really get the video and will be glad to be enlightened
LamerH 2 years ago
Simply amazing! This alone is proof of the bible and that Jesus died for our sins so that we could have eternal life with him in heaven.
micah1116 2 years ago
micah? Seriously?
This is satire.. it must be. Nothing this stupid can be for real.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man, the weakness of God stronger than man."
You may think it stupid. Not sure about the accuracy of the number given here (a solid 2000?) But I know from my own studies that 13 of these 2000 prophecies alone cranked up to 1 in 10 to the power of 138. You.......will have no excuse, when you stand before God. :( So don't let it come to that man. His love is being offered...accept it, and secure your eternity. For Christ wished none would perish!
MorpheusOmikron 2 years ago
There is no god!
Vogter2100 2 years ago
"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." Psalms, 14:1
MorpheusOmikron 2 years ago
Shove your book up your ass ans start reading something else!
There is no god and there is no such thing as a christian.
I made a video called just that.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
"Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."
Matthew, 5:22
anglicantian 2 years ago
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MorpheusOmikron 2 years ago
Actually, we need to understand the term "brother" in this....he's not my brother...stop quoting the bible and try and actually learn it.
MorpheusOmikron 2 years ago
The bible speaks of loving your enemy. If the evil, godless non-believers are not entitled to this love of yours, and thus aren't your "brothers", only then will you not go to hell for calling people fools. Either you do NOT fulfill this wish of your god that everybody deserve your love... Or you get to go to hell. According to this dusty book.
anglicantian 2 years ago
I was loving my enemy :) It was a statement of correction. And no, brothers refers to brothers in God, go read the bible again. Thus, do I love my enemy, yet call this man, correctly, a fool. Stop pretending to know anything about the bible.
MorpheusOmikron 2 years ago
Once again, a Christian is saying, "Believe what I tell you or you will die!" Sign me up-not!
divasue 2 years ago
Get video Man, We watched it in Jr, High last night. It was amazing!
nate4dabraves 2 years ago 2
Thank you! God bless your school for showing it
godisreal13 2 years ago
my friend you are insane get help
Ianmcl0889 2 years ago
great video
jp55418 3 years ago
Not to doubt you, I am a Christian too, but where did you get the information? In any case, nice job.
EllistheBarstownian 3 years ago
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The bible is a bronze-age book of myth.
It's filled with fantasy, exaggeration,
scientific and historical error,
internal inconsistencies and contradictions.
Having graduated from a 4-year Bible College
I can tell you that a large part of theological training
consists of learning to swallow
large and awkward incongruities without choking.
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
name one such inconsistency or contradiction, please.
boan000 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"It's a direct contradiction.
They cannot both be true"
Genesis 2 isn't a chronological account of creation; the text doesn't say that God formed the animals after he made Adam, only that he formed them and brought them to Adam. It does not deal with the time-frame at all. For example, there is no use of words like "then" or other chronological indicators. So, Gen 2 does not contradict the chronological account of chapter 1, you are simply inferring chronological sequence where none exists.
boan000 2 years ago
You're grasping at straws.
Chapter 2:
7- the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground..
8- And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9- And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree
18- And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19- And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast
If you can't see the chronology,
you are willingly deceived.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"If you can't see the chronology,
you are willingly deceived."
Since when does "and" denote chrological sequence????
boan000 2 years ago
"Since when does "and" denote chrological sequence????"
What a determined effort to remain blind.
As I said,
If you can't see the chronology,
you are willingly deceived.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
@Imaginefree69 "If you can't see the chronology, you are willingly deceived."
Sorry, but it's you who are willingly deceived if you continue to insist that 'and' denotes chronology. For example, if I say "I went to the store and the car wash." no chronological sequence is implied. But if I insert 'then' or 'next' into the sentence, chronological sequence is established. Since Genesis 2 doesn't use chronological words, you are in error to insist that it's a chronological telling of creation.
boan000 2 years ago
There's a lot more to the story than the word "and."
Please look at the story itself:God made man.
God made each of the animals and offered them to man,
man did not choose an aardvark or a fruit bat as a mate,
so god made woman.
That is a chronology.
There are more ways on indicating a progression
than tediously inserting "then" between each event.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
@Imaginefree69 "That is a chronology.
"
The only thing that you can correctly deduce is that God brought the animals to Adam for naming before he created woman. This does not contradict the account in chapter 1. We are not told that Eve was made IMMEDIATELY after Adam.
boan000 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
@Imaginefree69 "These are mutually exclusive sequences.
Just look at where Woman was created in each account."
You're still insisting that chapter 2 is a sequence, eh? There is no chronology denoted in the text. That is simply your erroneous interpretation.
boan000 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
@Imaginefree69 "Having graduated from a 4-year Bible College"
Yeah, salvation is not about what you know, but about who you know. It's a pity that you studied the Bible for four years and never got to know the God who inspired it.
It seems to me that you gleefully latch on to the passages that give you trouble in the hope that you can absolve yourself of responsibility for your sin. As a Bible college student, you surely know the folly of that position.
boan000 2 years ago
@Imaginefree69 Wow! It seems like every were I go, I see your name , and your always talking about God and the bible, it seems You are Obsessed with God and his word, which I find so funny, you fight so hard to prove he does not exist or that the whole thing is a myth, and yet He is all you talk about, That is God of course I mean. I just find you on most Christian videos spewing the same things. OBSESSED MUCH
greatestgiftis 1 year ago
@greatestgiftis !!! THOSE LIKE THAT PERSON ARE IN A LOST CAUSE. THEY KNOW DEEP DOWN INSIDE THEY ARE DEFEATED !!! THEY ARE TRYING SOO DESPERATELY TO MAKE RIGHT THERE WRONG THEY HAVE WITH IN THEM !!! : )
drtool23 1 year ago
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@drtool23 "THOSE LIKE THAT PERSON ARE IN A LOST CAUSE. "
Why are you gossiping about me?
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 They went out from among us because they were never truely of us. So basicaly you never were a Christian . According to the bible I'm sure you have read that verse. It's just like the part in Revelations Lord Lord, depart from me I never new you.
The only thing you proved was your obssesed with God an religion,I've had conversation with you along time ago, trust me I know you, what's sad is your ill, and will meet god shortly, second your waisting your time that's left
greatestgiftis 1 year ago
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@greatestgiftis
I'm sure you'd like to believe that,
but it is simply not true.
A much more applicable scripture would be
Hebrews 6:4 - 6
"For it is impossible to bring back to repentance
those who were once enlightened...
and who then turn away from God.
It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance"
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Awesome job and research!!
SerpentSlayer1 3 years ago
nice job man!!
lefan4992 3 years ago
Thank you and God Bless
godisreal13 3 years ago
see you in heaven
chickmagnet8910 3 years ago
YES and thank God for his son Jesus that we have that opportunity
godisreal13 3 years ago
Ok so, the Old Testament was able to tell what will be written in the new testament... and what people would do by following what was written in the bible.
Like, Jerusalem was built where it is because everyone thought "hey, let's build Jerusalem on the location told by the Bible !". And it wasn't hard for the people who wrote the bible to follow the story of the old testament...
WAIT ! I AM GOD ! I can tell that I'm going to type a smiley, write at the end of my message !
:D
kiro51 3 years ago
Tell me then why was he born on the exact year the bible said? and why was he born in the exact city? then why did the priests offer Judas 30 pieces of silver if they didn't want people to believe? how then did Isaiah know his hands and feet would eventually be pierced? The Romans did that to him not his own. they had hundreds of ways too kill people how then did they say the exact method? If you read the bible enough you would know that many things were out of his Jesus' hands.
godisreal13 3 years ago
Because the Bible was written after those events happenned ?
kiro51 3 years ago
your an idiot
Adro407 3 years ago
your an idiot becuase the bible is real and everything is true about about it youl see sooner or later when he comes for his people
chickmagnet8910 3 years ago
Pretty easy. The same reason. The authors of the new testament had read the old testament. They wrote what they thought would fulfill old testament prophecies. This isn't rocket science, if god wanted to impress us with prophecy why didn't he just devote a chapter to something know one could have possibly known at the time, like basic principles of math, physics, chemistry or maybe the structure of DNA or the idea that germs are the primary cause of disease? Oh that's right, the author couldn't.
cyxgun 3 years ago
the NT was hand written into 10,000+ manuscripts at a time when Christians and believing in Christ was punishable by death. why fake and die for something was a lie.
Libraries & internet wasn't around.
Ppl thought the prophecies were inserted into the OT. they were proven wrong and the NT was verified, at the findings of the dead sea scrolls with money intact. no one tampered the scrolls because if someone tried to, the money would have been taken.
reynandvalenzuela 3 years ago
Really? None of you question the fact that these prophecies were written and shown as 'fulfilled' within the same book hundreds of years after they had apparently occurred? Nostradamus' predictions are more credible, in comparison. And on the same token, the Oracle of Ancient Greece's prophecy about Leonidas and the 300 dying came true - therefore, the Greek Gods are, without a doubt, true. C'mon. You're adults. It's time to stop believing in Santa Jesus.
Poodebah 3 years ago
well is there a book that has the same accuracy as the bible? please tell me if there is. the odds are overwhelming. this is why nobody can disprove the bible. Jesus is the messiah and he is the only way to heaven. If you don't accept him and you want to reject the bible what brought you to watch this video. over 2000 prophesies has been fulfilled please tell me how this could be without God's hand in it.
PHXJersey 3 years ago
Yeah, there are books like that. Nostradamus' book has been pretty spot on accurate with hundreds of prophecies, on that note, all of which came true hundreds of years after he had written the prophecies. Unlike the Bible, where the prophecies were written about and then said to have been fulfilled within the same book, which people like you don't seem to grasp. It's almost like you think the Bible was written before 300 AD under Constantine.
Poodebah 3 years ago
Oh, and something else you might want to check in to. The Bible is composed of the four gospels it has for a reason; they were chosen because they were "Christian Philosophy 101." They weren't intended to be read as 100%, undeniable, literal fact. They were meant to be read in a philosophical and metaphorical sense. To add insult to injury, at least one of the apostles (Either John or Paul, I believe) was illiterate; he didn't write the gospel he is said to have written.
Poodebah 3 years ago
actually they are. The four gospels were written by four people and I believe two apostles were names John and if one was illiterate maybe he learned how to write later on or asked somebody else to write what he said. Besides all four books were written from a different point of view.
SillyCrusader 3 years ago
Fitting screen name. He didn't "learn how to write later on," and while it's possible he could have had a scribe write one or two of the letters for him, the majority of the letters (Romans, Levictus) come from time periods where the author would've been unable to write them, meaning someone else wrote them in his stead, using his name to push their own agendas. Just because you don't like the truth of the matter doesn't mean you can simply disregard it and have it no longer apply. Sorry.
Poodebah 3 years ago
...... whatever
SillyCrusader 3 years ago
I'm not quite sure to whom you're referring as being illiterate, but many of the new testament books say specifically who wrote it as many of them are letters to churches and are in common letter format of that time.
heatherisrad 3 years ago
I never said anyone was illiterate.
SillyCrusader 3 years ago
Can you quote verbatim one prophecy of Nostradamus that has been fulfilled? Although the writers of the Christian Bible could have fabricated connections to the Jewish Bible, one wonders what the motivation would have been. They lived at a time when they faced persecution from both the Jews and Romans for their beliefs. Why tell a pack of lies when your only reward is death? Why tell a pack of lies just to promote a high moral code? It is not logical.
GregoryOrme 3 years ago
whats that song called that starts at 4:30?? some tell me i wanna know!!
cooldude8870 3 years ago
Its called "I can only Imagine" BY Mercy Me
godisreal13 3 years ago
thx and nice video 5 stars
cooldude8870 3 years ago
I never said you were. I simply stated that I am not interested in any other source. If you want to look into pictographs then look into those of the time of Pharoah Ah Mose. The proof of his interactions with Moses and GOD is in those. As far as the venus and mercury and numerology stuff some believe in, I dont. Everyone has thier own belief and as long as it leads them to Christ & hence to GOD, its all good. :)
Mystwicca 4 years ago
Try to get over it Dim, I believe The Bible is the accurate word of GOD (not osirus, or venus :P ). Nothing anyone could ever possibly say to me would change what I believe & that is that GOD is THE Almighty, Jesus is his son, who was sacrificed & died for us & the holy spirit is a part tho independant, of them both as well. I will not sit here & condemn other's beliefs, they have thier choices & Ive made mine. Ive seen my evidence & believe, so, Its all good :)
- GOD Bless you :)
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dimthelight 4 years ago
Change your name. You give Wiccans a bad name and I am offended. Wiccans are way smarter than you!
divasue 2 years ago
I have been *blocked* 5 times........I WILL post my support and belief in what has been said here :) no matter what.........
Myst
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