Let's face it, both naturalism and Darwinism are based on "assumptions" and "inferences" as to what supposedly happened in the unobserved past. Meaning, that nothing in the Darwinian worldview can ever be verified by the empirical and scientific method. Opponents of Stein would not last two minutes in a public debate on the issue, All of which means that they are not engaged in science, but naturalistic dogma.
@fredmalone104 How can it be based on "observable" fact when no one was there to observe it happen, or even be in a position to observe that it happened one way, and not another way, or whether it really happened at all. No one in all of time has ever seen any life-form evolve into a life-form of a "different" type, not ever. I have not only watched debates between leading evolutionists and creationists, but I have organized such debates in the university context.
@heiningerjohn All of your claims can be disproved by about 5 seconds of research, but of course creationists are too intellectually lazy and willfully ignorant to do so. There have been many, many documented and observed instances of speciation, not to mention a wealth of DNA and fossil evidence that proves beyond any doubt that evolution occurred and is occurring to this day. To deny evolution is to deny reality.
God I find stupidity on this level so fucking hard to listen to...do you think that there's any tiny voice of reason when these people deliberately obscure facts with lies that they hear and they just lie anyway or do they really believe the bullshit they spew...it's interesting.
@GoaHead80 How can evolution be part of science, when it entirely an unverifiable hypothesis based on unverifiable "inferences" and conjecture, that cannot ever be established by the empirical scientific method. So, if you know of any scientists or laboratory that has ever changed one creature into a different creature tell us all about it, as you may well win a Nobel Prize.
@heiningerjohn What is it with you idiots? You've been told over and over that the change is happening over time, it's not one creature suddnely changing into another. Still you keep bringing that up. Haven't you even read about how it happens? If you demand evidence of things that evolution doesn't claim to take place, of course you'll never be convinced. At the same time you must know that you're fooling yourself.
@GoaHead80 No one was there. So while you may "believe" this gradual change happened there is no possible way you can ever scientifically establish it ever happened, its all based on unverifiable inferences, meaning its all in your head. Your belief!
@heiningerjohn Are you serious? It's verified by fossils and also in dna. If you think it's just a belief, you obviously don't have a clue about the evidence that exists.
Mr. Stein exhibits his ignorance with enthusiasm. He obviously has zero knowledge of evolution and yet he attempts to discredit the theory in favor of fictional stories obtained from a 2,000 year old holy book.
It is readily apparent that Mr. Stein couldn't care less about the vast quantities of evidence confirming evolutional theory....he would rather remain in blissful ignorance and acquire his information from a book which describes talking snakes and men residing in whale bellies.
I caught up with an old workmate recently, and during teh conversation I asked about his young son. His response was "He is a good catholic boy". I replied Ïm glad he is a good boy and Im sure he is, but how about you let him decide if he wants to be catholic or not
Do you think a loving couple should be denied the right to marry simply because they are of the same sex ?
2 freakin mental midgets meet to exchange ignorant points. This guy could get no more opposite the facts. Totally flawed and willfully ignorant. This is a filthy slander of Darwin and the FACTS. So sad.
You dont need wish thinking to disprove the bible, you just need to read it. It starts pretty early too with the 2 different creation accounts. Its full of shit as you would expect being written by an ignorant dessert tribe of Jews.
Yes, I can read AND think for myself, free from indoctrination. Im so glad I live in the UK a place where people are on the whole laughed at for believing in such drivel.
@SuperPatrick777 1Munro3000 made a good point. You have much more faith in man than we do. You believe words written by ancient desert-dwelling men thousands of years ago, pertaining to the supernatural and creation of the universe. These were men who didn't even know very basic things about the world they lived in. If someone can't explain the natural and observable, why would you trust their explanation of the supernatural and unobservable?
Stein, Luskin, Sekulow, etc. All lawyers (astonishingly) that share the same irrational beliefs and all have zero evidence for their ridiculous claims about the absurdities called Creationism/I.D. and it's foundations: religion.
Amen, Darwinism is an abomination, because it pushes the idea that other races are inferior. All people are created equal. No matter the skin color or ethnicity. I agree that Social Darwinism is wrong. Look for instance at the Nama people in Namibia, who were killed, their skulls boiled and sent to Germany to show their inferiority and ape like characteristics. No person, no matter their race is equal in the eyes of God.
@MrPieter1978 "Social Darwinism" has nothing to do with the scientific theory of evolution. Your logic is the same thing as saying that the theory of gravity is an abomination because people can use gravity to kill someone by pushing them off of a tall building.
@MrPieter1978 the Nama people weren't killed in the name of Darwinism, they were murdered because they rebelled against German colonial rule, they were put in concentration camps and were subject to experiments included sterilization, injection of smallpox, typhus and tuberculosis, this was the forerunner for the Nazi Holocaust it had nothing to do with Darwinism. You could say Christianity is an abomination, the Christian church started the Atlantic slave trade, there's Gods equality for you.
@MrPieter1978 Nowhere in evolution does it make statements that some races are inferior or superior. Humans were originally black, whites later developed by genetic mutation.
WRONG. Darwin showed once and for all that all people are the same species, Christians at the time screamed that they were not. As forr people being equal in the eyes of God, hope you dont mean the Jewish/Christian god as he does not consider people other than Jews to be equal. This explains his orders to murder and rape other tribes within the bible.
Amen, Hitler was a believer in Evolution that some races are inferior to their own race. What would happen if an atheistic president decides to cull other humans just on this premise? There is no excuse for racism. Like the new world order: Reduce the population by 1 1/2 billion. OK atheists you go first!
You christians had been calling for a genocide against the jews in retaliation for the supposed death of their 'savior' for 2000 years, and you almost got what you were asking for in 1945. Then after Hitler failed, you quickly started trying to blame the genocide on EVERYONE ELSE. And you have been doing that for the last 60 years. But its no good cuz we know Hitler was a Catholic, he hated jews because of RELIGION. You are an asshole.
I'm wondering why darwinism should explain gravity? Ben is such an egghead. Since darwinism couldn't explain gravity Ben believes in a god which doesn't explain anything about physics. Nota Bene: (no one should ever write god with a capital G)
I have watched nearly every dvd from Lee Stobel to Stephen Hawkins. My top ten must watch dvd's to educate about religion...The Bibles Buried Secrets: Israelite Origins, Judgement Day Intelligent Design on Trial, Testament 1 John Romer, National Geographics: Was Darwin Wrong, Noahs Ark: The true story, History Channels Ape to Man, National Geographics: The Walking Whale, Egyptian Secrets of the Afterlife, The Bible Unearthed and Zeitgeist. Also, Wikipedia Ron Wyatt and the Discovery Institute.
What's great is how Ben refers to "Darwinism", because as we all know "isms" are ideologies and ideologies are not science. Additionally, saying "Darwinism" allows him to attack the fallible human head of the ideology and by discrediting his work, the last 150 years of meticulously gathered mountains of scientific evidence in support of evolution by natural selection can be simply ignored in favor of the "God did it" theory.
What a dolt. Evolution = holocaust? Shenanigans! Artificial selection was around long before Darwin. At least he admits that evolution doesn't speak to the origin of life, yet he still lumps them together. Why doesn't "darwinism" include physics and cosmology? First, "darwinism" is a misnomer. It's called evolutionary biology. It speaks to how species evolve, not what is gravity.The same reason that the theory of gravity doesn't explain why we see rainbows. Stein is a complete moron and a liar.
Creationists explain this - why are only certain animals found in Australia? Surely the fact that only certain animals are found in Australia is a strong case for evolution as it proves that isolation species which are isolated for many millions of years have evolved into animals that can be found nowhere else.
THIS IS BULLSHIT! the guy sits there saying 'i believe there would have been no holocaust without darwinism' how about you learn the experience hitler went through when the jewish doctor of his mother told him she was going to die? liar, this ugly fag knows nothing about hitler's disturbing childhood no wonder he recons hitler was satan or some shit. not to mention hitler loved nobody as much as his mother he even wrote her name before dying and he never ever had a descent relation with a jew.
Oh a law degree and some movie roles make you an expert on lifes greatest questions? Economy has nothing to do with creation or any other theory Ben. Don't mistake your mastery of the english language as a form of authority or knowledge.
@winterstellar Yes, any typical ignorant arrogant payroll bound conformist Neo Darwinian evolutionary scientist would laugh at Ben Stein. Problem is, your so-called scientists actually are not scientists because that requires actually using the scientific method, not writing books based on your cognitive bias. There are plenty of actual scientists who realize that the scientific evidence does not support the idea of Macroevolution. Check the comments on my channel for an essay on Neanderthals.
@SelfPromoting It took many, many generations to write such books, since the average life-span of a person there was no more than 30-35 years. And think of all the mistakes, misspellings, mistranslations that will occur thrught all thse generations, haha.
What an incredible contrast. Stein goes from a fairly eloquent speech on the problems in the American economy (whether you agree or not) to a babbling fool rambling on about "Darwinism" (I think he means evolution). I can't believe at 4:30 he actual says "it doesn't explain how gravity works to keep the planets in their orbits". Is he frikin' serious. Maybe because that's an entirely different science you fool. This type of purposeful ignorance takes a lot of work.
Ugh! There is nothing in Darwinism about race. That is a gross misinterpretation of the theory of natural selection. The belief that one race is superior to another predates Darwinism by centuries. No scientific approach would ever support racism or Hitler's theories.
In fact, Hitler's own misunderstanding of Darwinism cost him; he thought that the American population had been corrupted by Jewish genes, and that we were weak. You don't get that kind of nonsense from reading Origin of Species.
@SelfPromoting You say the bible is credible because it has lasted for thousands of years. Hindu texts have lasted longer than that, so they must be at least as credible as the bible.
@SelfPromoting The bible is not the oldest surviving text. In fact, it's not even the oldest surviving religious text. With that kind of logic, you should look into Hinduism or something. Actually, yes I am smarter than people who lived thousands of years ago, who owned slaves and stoned disobedient children. Easily.
By creating this fictitious thing called "DarwinISM," Stein joins the classic ranks of conservative apologists who try to play red-state/blue-state with theological discourse. There is no "Darwin-ISM," that is just a phrase Stein uses to infer a "group" or "movement" based on these weird race fears he has. Stein then holds Darwin (a biologist) accountable for physics, astro-physics, cosmology and answering the totality of life itself, just so that he can say "Ha! You can't answer!"
He says evolution is wrong because it doesn't involve everything else besides evolution? That makes no sense at all, what a moron. Why thehell would evolution involve gravity and thermodynamics?
@SuperPatrick777 Uhm, it explains a lot actually, perhaps you should investigate before asserting such bold, ignorant, remarks. But first of all, your comment is somewhat irrelevant because I didn't say anything about what evolution explains, I merely said what it doesn't involve. I could infer that you have a very limited understanding of evolution considering your ignorant remark. What makes that remark stupid is, whether evolution is right or wrong, it still explained something.
@buttface112211 as per usual a lot of words but no coherant explanation for evolution , it simply does not exist appart from a figment of the imagination
@SuperPatrick777 You don't know what evolution is. For all the evidence gathered it is the best explanation that accounts for all the available data, and allows us to understand the past and make predictions for the future. If someone found evidence against evolution, they would easily win a nobel prize. Evolution explains how life became so diverse, and how it gradually became more and more complex over the last 3 billion years. Evidently this is beyond your understanding.
after watching dino dot org , my thoughts have been well and truly confermed , evolution is well and truly dead , i never seen such a wooping , it is no wonder evolutionists are running scared of him .
@SuperPatrick777 Ok, I will provide my best explanation that accounts for all your comments, you are a troller. That is quite evident at this point. Perhaps you should answer a question rather than talk shit.
@buttface112211 i suggested for a start you go to dino dot org , it seems you can't be botherd all you are interested in is pulling people spelling up , you make statements about evolution and millions of years that cannot be proved at all , just guess work .
@SuperPatrick777 I have no interest in going to a website, its probably just another website with people like Lee Strobel, Ben Stein, and Kent Hovind that no nothing at all about science or evolution. It is not guess work, carbon dating is an accurate method to date fossils. It has been demonstrated that external conditions do not alter the rate of decay of carbon. There are multiple methods of dating and they all point to the same time period.
@SuperPatrick777 Rather than state your analysis of my overal competence, please identify and refute my "ignorant" claims. Maybe then we can engage in a real discussion. Considering your brief responses that ignore all of my original comments, the only conclusion I can draw from it is that you are the ignorant one. You are going nowhere with this, and not even challenging my comments.
@wowamonn europe is quite Godless now and another type of fundermentalism has taken over [ atheism ] which will leave the path for islam , and i would not be supprised if it happend to america too and then you will see true fundermentalism .
@SuperPatrick777 I notice you still didn't answer buttface's question. That's very telling. There are many things we "know" to be true about evolution. For example, we know that human, chimps, orangutangs, etc. share a common ancestor. We know this based on observational evidence, such as analysis of DNA and the human/chimpanzee genomes, fossils, and common sense. Can you tell us one thing evolution that you know to be false?
@commonsensrules Lastly, evolution is observable, and has countlessly been proven . The same species of a bird, for example, has been placed in an environment where it needs to have a stronger beak in order to eat the food in that location. These birds, through natural selection, evolved and grew stronger and wider beaks, allowing them to eat the food in the environment that they previously could not.
Quit believing in Iron Age dogma that has no place in our modern society. WAKE UP.
@commonsensrules Actually, I guess it would be god's fault if I lacked intelligence. It's funny that you'd mention that, since the most intelligent scientists in the world think that evolution is a fact and "intelligent design" is nonsense. Please don't try to play the "intelligence" card, because the deck is stacked against you.
i do not subscribe to your idea of intellect obviously! To me intellect is the ability to grasp the scope of creation-see the calm that exists within the chaos that permeates it, and understand that order is never derived from chaos- thus design must be present!
Doesn't seem like much of a leap to me since nature has shown us on every level and in every circumstance that it cannot create order when left to it's own devices and yet order does exist!
@commonsensrules Well it's really convenient to redefine intellect to mean "the ability to think like I do." Good for you. By your own standards, you're incredibly intelligent.
@navid500 "Actually, I guess it would be god's fault if I lacked intelligence."
Lol, no, that is a weak attempt to rationalize your arguement! The concept of FREE WILL dictates that your ignorance is self imposed!
Try again!
"Please don't try to play the "intelligence" card, because the deck is stacked against you."
Yes, it's apparent you hold Hitchens and the like to be the apex of intelligence-whats sad is the fact that you place more importance on logic than the human soul!
@commonsensrules It's sad that I place more importance on logic than the human soul? Haha, you just said it yourself. You completely kick logic to the side. Who needs logic when you have a book written by desert-dwellers thousands of years ago?
@navid500 the whole lot of it is false , and as per usual your answers are totally subjective and built on false presupporsitions , " common ancestor " --really !! pilkdown man ? lucy ??? , what observational evidence , guess work more like it , remember if nothing else , COMMON CREATOR NOT COMMON ANCESTOR , start thinking differantly you be supprised .
@SuperPatrick777 I don't know why you mentioned lucy. Piltdown man was a hoax, and it was exposed as a hoax by scientists. It's not like scientists manufactured it, but creationists caught them. If scientists find evidence that something is false or fraudulent, they don't continue to support it. That's the difference between scientists and creationists. Like other creationists, you seem to think that all scientists in the world are conspiring to discredit your religion. Get a life.
@SuperPatrick777 Piltdown man was discovered to be a hoax and exposed to be a fraud by scientists! The same scientistswho you claim have an agenda to bury evidence against evolution and manufacture evidence for it. It's very arrogant of you to think that scientists would revolve their work around trying to discredit your religion. If a scientist found any credible evidence against evolution, he would rush to publish it, so that his name would be in textbooks and he'd win prizes.
@navid500 either you are wilfully ignorant of human natrue or you are lying , a scientist would not dare speak out against evolution or he would loose his job , it is an indistry , a world view , a religion and one of the greatest cons of all time and has caused nothing but harm .
@SuperPatrick777 Of course you did not have an answer for the fact that SCIENTISTS are the ones who discovered and revealed that piltdown man and other hoaxes were in fact hoaxes. Stop pretending that scientists make up evidence and Christians save the day by discovering it's fake. Scientists have better things to do than to consume their time with trying to discredit your religion. Get over yourself. Please explain "human nature" and why all scientists are conspiring to discredit religion.
@navid500 like with all of evolution they where hoaxes and if scientists kept away from evolution the world would be a lot more advanced now an a hell of a lot of people would be still alive now , a lot more would not be in hell now , you people should be ashamed of yourselves , you have a lot to answer for , what do you want to know about human nature , aren't scientists human ? , evolutionary " scientists " certainly are and for obvious reasons .
@SuperPatrick777 Please tell me why you believe that scientists would fabricate a prominent and central theory of life sciences and bury evidence against it and conspire will all scientists around the world to uphold this false teaching. I'm curious to know why.
@SuperPatrick777 You completely dodged again. You said that "human nature" is why scientists would not dare to speak out against evolution. Please explain this connection. Why does human nature lead all scientists to steadfastly support a "false" scientific theory? Please post one coherant and logically sound comment. Rather than simply stating your conclusions, please try to actually explain the reasons for your conclusions.
@navid500 try youself to speak out against evolution and see how far you will get in the scientific realm , to go into this subject more i would like to do it in another site , there are too little space on this site and is too deep a subject .
@SuperPatrick777 Of course you won't get as far in the scientific community speaking out against evolution. How far would you get in the medical field if you still believed that putting leaches on people was good treatment for a fever? How far would you get in the legal field if you believed that the best way to determine guilt or innocence was to force a defendant to swim in crocodile-infested waters to see if god saves him?
@navid500 what the hell has evoluton got to do with medical science ,it is nothing but a hindrence , and how do you aquate swimming with crocodles with the God of the bible
@SuperPatrick777 Those are two primitive views that are now universally rejected in their respective fields. Someone in the field who still advocated for those primitive practices would not get very far in the field. Similarly, someone who advocates for the primitive view of creation and rejects the scientific method would not get very far in the field of science.
@navid500 keep away from medical science and keep evolution where it belongs , in the philosophy class , the fact is true science confirms the bible .
@SuperPatrick777 Haha I think you got that backwards. The Bible belongs in a philosophy class. The Bible completely conflicts with science. You need to try learning science from scientists, instead of pastors. Just like you wouldn't have your pastor perform surgery on you, you should stick to experts in other fields too...including science.
@SuperPatrick777 What has it got to do with anything? The fact that you don't know how to spell a simple word like "confirm" affects your credibility when you're calling someone else a fool. Also, instead of telling me that the Bible considers me a fool, why don't you explain your dubious theory that all scientists are engaged in a worldwide conspiracy to discredit your religion?
@navid500 a fool [ my own china ] is someone who regects Gods word , and relies on human philiosophy , scientists are human like everyboby else , and have predujdices , and does not like God telling them what to do .
@SuperPatrick777 Scientists are just so egotistic that they can't handle having god tell them what to do...so they manufacture and support a false scientific theory? That's what you really think? Do you realize that scientists don't consider whether something supports or contradicts religion when they come up with hypotheses and test those hypotheses? Do you honestly think that scientists revolve care enough about your religion to go out of their way to contradict it?
@SuperPatrick777 Sure, Patty. There comes a time when the only way to deal with a person like you is to nod and smile and move on. Scientists from every part of the world are hell-bent on discrediting christianity, so they put on hold their ambitions to advance science and have their names put in textbooks by discrediting evolution...because they'd rather blindly support evolution and make trouble for christianity. You're right.
@SuperPatrick777 "" a fool [ my own china ] is someone who regects Gods word ""
How so ?? You cant provide evidence that this god actually exists.. Its seems very reasonable to reject the words of something that has no evidence of existance.
Why do you care?Why does anyone care what anyone believes.No one knows the truth and humans probably know .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of everything so everyone stop acting like you know.I'm talking about religious and non-people .So, why argue?
I care because I unsupportable crap being taught in schools. I see religious nutjobs influencing politics. I see people being denied rights because they dont follow the same religious beleifs as others. I see children dbeing denied medical care because of the religious beleifs of there parents. I see parents indocrinating their children with unsupportable fairytales.
So what would you prefer?They replace one religion with another?Trying to convert someone to what you believe is truth is not going to stop the problems.Instead of fighting the religion fight the issues.The religions are usually not the problem it's the people."I see parents indocrinating their children with unsupportable fairytales." When it comes to this it seems you have hatred for religion.There is nothing wrong with parents passing on there beliefs.
@ninetailschris ""So what would you prefer?They replace one religion with another? ""
People are free to beleive what they like, but like sex, keep it at home.
""There is nothing wrong with parents passing on there beliefs.""
Yes there is. If those beleifs are unfouned, and set the child on a life journey that is based on a myth that will influence them to make wrong and dangerous decisions, then absolutly it is wrong.,
You misunderstood my first statement that's what I was saying.But you can't tell people where they can practice there beliefs.Second statement there are many things in life that can't be explained so we have reasons why they work that are unfounded or we just believe things that are not true.What you are saying is that you must believe this or not practice this because I say it's wrong.What you are saying is dictatorial like.The problem is you act like you know when you don't.
@ninetailschris ".But you can't tell people where they can practice there beliefs ""
Absolutly we can. You want to practice religion ? Great. Do it at home and in a church. Do not bring it to politics or education systems.
There are many things that are presently unexplainable, but we know they exist because we see evidence for them. By not understanding them doesnt by default mean that some god is responsible. That is simply the god of gaps.
@ninetailschris "" you can't tell people where they can practice there beliefs ""
You are free to practice your beleives at home and in church. Dont bring them into other peoples lives via politics and education
"" there are many things in life that can't be explained""
Yes there is, and we work to finding out the real reason. Until that happens they remain unkown. That doesnt by default mean god did it. That is the god of gaps.
They have the right to just like you have the right to reject them.Because that's called "FREEDOM OF SPEECH".What you are saying is exactly what dictator would say.You can't talk about this in the public if I don't agree with it.I don't care if you are talking racist you have the right to say it in public.If you disagree just walk away or if it's political issue for the issue don't ban freedom of speech.
I'm not saying God is the reason for anything just saying no one knows me or you.
@ninetailschris so its ok if I beleive that the flying spagetti monster is real and it created the world. Not only that, I enter parliment and ensure that the pastafarian religion is taught in all school as the only and only truth. I also pass laws that require the wearing of pasta bowls on your head and everyone cannot eat pasta on Sundays.
Would that be ok ?? After all, Im practasining my religion, Im also influencing politics and education. If you disagree, just walk away
Going out and telling someone that spaghetti monster is real and will save us is not wrong but what your saying is someone forcing someone to believe your beliefs and participate in it .Now if you believed the religion there is nothing wrong with that it's your beliefs if you were try to convince me I would say no thank you but you tell have the right to try to.The problems again was not the religion but the issues I would tell my congressmen why I feel this is unjust to my rights.
@ninetailschris "" if you were try to convince me I would say no thank you ""
Is this what 3 year old children say to their parents ?? Is this what school kids should say to their teachers when they try to preach religion to them.. Seems you dont understand indoctrination.
Look up the recent video about the man who was denied visiting rights to his children because he was agnostic and the mother christian.
1.The child can always change there mind in the future. 2.If your talking about religious schools they have the right to do so as there not breaking any laws if they are they should be punished like any other person. 3.It seem you don't know the Constitution. 4. A "man" is stopping him from seeing his son because he believes he is right just like how your trying to stop people beliefs because your "right" you two are two peas in pot with just two different beliefs.
1.They kids could always ignore them they have that right. 2.What have you done to try to stop?Seems you like to complain more then actually do something.3.You must have something similar what country are you from? 4.I got a story for you.There was once a Christian that was teaching his son about his beliefs because he just wanted to informed his son of his beliefs so he could possible adopt it so the kid
report this to the government and the child is taken.So, this is right?
@ninetailschris ""1.They kids could always ignore them they have that right"" right, so a 3 year old is going to make that disicion. You dont understand indoctrinaytion
""?Seems you like to complain more then actually do something "" You cant make that statement. I often contact my memebers of parliment regarding the influence religion is having by the christian party.
@ninetailschris ""There was once a Christian that was teaching his son about his beliefs ""
Im happy for religion to be taught in schools, as long as it is in a historical sence, and that it covers ALL religions. Your christian should be doing the same, so the child can make their own decisions.
You didn't answer the question.Do you think it is right to arrest or take someone's child away for trying to teach children there religion.It's a simple no or yes question
@ninetailschris You may be interested to know that it was reported on the local news here that some christian schools in Australia have taken it upon themselves to write a new verse for the Australian national anthem, that talks about a devotion to some god.
Is that ok ??
You wonder why Atheists care ?? You wonder why we haqve an issue with christonutters interfering with politics and education ??
I hate to repeat myself but I'm going to have to do it again.Then protest it or go through the legal system to stop it.Tell them why it violates your rights and personal beliefs.What you are doing is complaining and not getting anything solved.If that group is trying to input that in the national anthem and your doing nothing about how can you complain? "If you have time to whine and complain about something then you have the time to do something about it." ~Anthony J. D'Angelo
@ninetailschris I have protested. Ive written to the CEO of the the christian schools association. Ive written to the National Minister for Education. Ive written to the National Heritage Federation. Ive added my name to a petition. etc etc.
I asked you if you thought it was ok. You failed to answer the question. You have also consistently failed to answer the issue of religious interference in politics and education. You has simply told me to do something about it,, which I do.
1.If homosexuals want to get married then let them.If I'm allowed to get married why not them.
2.Public School no, just like if your not American you don't have to stand up on the national anthem in American schools. Private yes, for obvious reasons.
3.No.If I saw that I don't care what his beliefs were I would fight for his right to believe whatever he wants just like I would expect the same for me.Freedom of religion works both ways and that's how you get it to work.
1.Your trying to personify a belief/religion as if the actually religion is doing this.The people behind the religion is your problem.Now if you if have a problem with the actual people doing this then we can agree on this issue.
2.Before you join a private organization you should read there rules to see if you disagree or agree if you disagree why join?
Please read my second post where I continue my point/response and answer your other question.I will label it "P2".Wait for part 2.
1.Your trying to personify a belief/religion as if the actually religion is doing this.The people behind the religion is your problem.Now if you if have a problem with the actual people doing this then we can agree on this issue.
2.Before you join a private organization you should read there rules to see if you disagree or agree if you disagree why join?
Please read my second post where I continue my point/response and answer your other question.I will label it "P2".Wait for part 2.
@ninetailschris ""Your trying to personify a belief/religion as if the actually religion is doing this ""
No. Thats a cop out. These people quote from the bible as a basis for there discrimination against gays. What is a religion without the people who follow it ?
"No. Thats a cop out. These people quote from the bible as a basis for there discrimination against gays."
What is any group without it's people? From what I have seen you usually have 2 types of Christians(from my experience).The cult like one's that hate gays and hate anyone who doesn't believe in God. Then you have laid back Christians were they don't hate gays(hell some churches even welcome gays and yes they do exist) and are good tolerant people that want equality for all.
What an incredible discution of ignorants !
stephm69mtl 2 weeks ago
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The teaching of evolution should be banned from all public schools, and every blackboard should be replaced with a big wooden cross.
FatherPatOphelia 4 weeks ago
Painfully true: ' Don't fire us because we question a doctrine'
GekkeMalloot 1 month ago
What you mean is that your "interpretation" of the fossils has verified your unverifiable Darwinian presuppositions. Circular reasoning at it's best.
heiningerjohn 1 month ago
Evolution doesn't explain gravity, kinda like my TV remote doesn't turn on the dish washer...
fredmalone104 1 month ago
lol evolution does not explain gravity.
Really?!?!?!?!?!
hellfudge26 1 month ago
Let's face it, both naturalism and Darwinism are based on "assumptions" and "inferences" as to what supposedly happened in the unobserved past. Meaning, that nothing in the Darwinian worldview can ever be verified by the empirical and scientific method. Opponents of Stein would not last two minutes in a public debate on the issue, All of which means that they are not engaged in science, but naturalistic dogma.
"Evolution DID IT" is central to Darwinian dogma,
This video is spot on!!!!!!!
heiningerjohn 1 month ago
@heiningerjohn "Opponents of Stein would not last two minutes in a public debate on the issue"
Have you watched any such debates!?! Evolution is not based on assumptions but on observable fact. Try doing some research.
fredmalone104 1 month ago
@fredmalone104 How can it be based on "observable" fact when no one was there to observe it happen, or even be in a position to observe that it happened one way, and not another way, or whether it really happened at all. No one in all of time has ever seen any life-form evolve into a life-form of a "different" type, not ever. I have not only watched debates between leading evolutionists and creationists, but I have organized such debates in the university context.
heiningerjohn 1 month ago
@heiningerjohn All of your claims can be disproved by about 5 seconds of research, but of course creationists are too intellectually lazy and willfully ignorant to do so. There have been many, many documented and observed instances of speciation, not to mention a wealth of DNA and fossil evidence that proves beyond any doubt that evolution occurred and is occurring to this day. To deny evolution is to deny reality.
fredmalone104 1 month ago
Stupid fuck.
Casshyr 1 month ago
God I find stupidity on this level so fucking hard to listen to...do you think that there's any tiny voice of reason when these people deliberately obscure facts with lies that they hear and they just lie anyway or do they really believe the bullshit they spew...it's interesting.
pieter292 1 month ago
Richard Dawkins beat Ben Stein up and took his lunch money
MrJohnnyrace 2 months ago
Evolution proves all humans are the same, Homo Sapian Sapians.
I lost all respect for Ben when he said, 'Evolution does not explain Gravity''
gregrutz 3 months ago
Is this guy stupid? Why would Darwinism explain gravity? Evolution is a part of science, it's not the science that explains everything.
Ignorance is bliss, i guess.
GoaHead80 3 months ago 5
@GoaHead80 How can evolution be part of science, when it entirely an unverifiable hypothesis based on unverifiable "inferences" and conjecture, that cannot ever be established by the empirical scientific method. So, if you know of any scientists or laboratory that has ever changed one creature into a different creature tell us all about it, as you may well win a Nobel Prize.
heiningerjohn 1 month ago
@heiningerjohn What is it with you idiots? You've been told over and over that the change is happening over time, it's not one creature suddnely changing into another. Still you keep bringing that up. Haven't you even read about how it happens? If you demand evidence of things that evolution doesn't claim to take place, of course you'll never be convinced. At the same time you must know that you're fooling yourself.
GoaHead80 1 month ago
@GoaHead80 No one was there. So while you may "believe" this gradual change happened there is no possible way you can ever scientifically establish it ever happened, its all based on unverifiable inferences, meaning its all in your head. Your belief!
heiningerjohn 1 month ago
@heiningerjohn Are you serious? It's verified by fossils and also in dna. If you think it's just a belief, you obviously don't have a clue about the evidence that exists.
GoaHead80 1 month ago
@heiningerjohn Do you hold the same standard of evidence for other claims, religion for example? (p.s. I'm not trolling)
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TheMrgoku1985 3 months ago
Evolution has nothing to no with abiogenesis or cosmology.
dragonflux14 3 months ago
Evolution is about how species evolve, not how they begin to exist and absolutely not about physics, this guy speaks such nonsense!
oznerflexo 3 months ago
Mr. Stein exhibits his ignorance with enthusiasm. He obviously has zero knowledge of evolution and yet he attempts to discredit the theory in favor of fictional stories obtained from a 2,000 year old holy book.
It is readily apparent that Mr. Stein couldn't care less about the vast quantities of evidence confirming evolutional theory....he would rather remain in blissful ignorance and acquire his information from a book which describes talking snakes and men residing in whale bellies.
CynicalSkeptic1 3 months ago 7
darwinism doesn't explain gravity I Lold
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Ither1 4 months ago
no I dont.
I caught up with an old workmate recently, and during teh conversation I asked about his young son. His response was "He is a good catholic boy". I replied Ïm glad he is a good boy and Im sure he is, but how about you let him decide if he wants to be catholic or not
Do you think a loving couple should be denied the right to marry simply because they are of the same sex ?
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@podoau
"I caught up with an old workmate recently, and during teh conversation I asked about his young son."
Did the kid ever tell you he didn't want to be catholic or had a problem with it?
The same sex thing I have already answer so that would be redundant to respond to that.
What was "no I don't " for?
ninetailschris 4 months ago
489 people didnt evolve !
1Munro3000 4 months ago
2 freakin mental midgets meet to exchange ignorant points. This guy could get no more opposite the facts. Totally flawed and willfully ignorant. This is a filthy slander of Darwin and the FACTS. So sad.
dwolfcoach 4 months ago
You dont need wish thinking to disprove the bible, you just need to read it. It starts pretty early too with the 2 different creation accounts. Its full of shit as you would expect being written by an ignorant dessert tribe of Jews.
1Munro3000 5 months ago
@1Munro3000
a remark like that tells me all i need to know .
SuperPatrick777 4 months ago
@SuperPatrick777
Yes, I can read AND think for myself, free from indoctrination. Im so glad I live in the UK a place where people are on the whole laughed at for believing in such drivel.
1Munro3000 4 months ago
@1Munro3000 you best read your last line again , it does not make much sense .
SuperPatrick777 4 months ago
@SuperPatrick777
So sorry I missed some commas.
Im so glad I live in the UK, a place where people are on the whole, laughed at for believing in such drivel.
1Munro3000 4 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 1Munro3000 made a good point. You have much more faith in man than we do. You believe words written by ancient desert-dwelling men thousands of years ago, pertaining to the supernatural and creation of the universe. These were men who didn't even know very basic things about the world they lived in. If someone can't explain the natural and observable, why would you trust their explanation of the supernatural and unobservable?
navid500 4 months ago
It doesnt explain gravity lol This guy is so dumb it hurts !!
1Munro3000 5 months ago
I would agree however that naturalistic evolution implies no moral responsibility.
ClamCrunchy 5 months ago
The fool says in their heart there is no God.Nuff said.
roddy35wv 5 months ago
I've seen his movie. Ben Stein debunks Darwinism? I can tell you, no. He doesn't.
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shncsr 5 months ago
Stein, Luskin, Sekulow, etc. All lawyers (astonishingly) that share the same irrational beliefs and all have zero evidence for their ridiculous claims about the absurdities called Creationism/I.D. and it's foundations: religion.
antitheisthumanist 5 months ago
stein, are you seriously suggesting Geroge Bush left Obama with a tax SURPLUS? hahaha, what a joker/ moron
ThePaddy1122 6 months ago
Nice Masonic handshake, Robertson.
NewVinland 6 months ago
Amen, Darwinism is an abomination, because it pushes the idea that other races are inferior. All people are created equal. No matter the skin color or ethnicity. I agree that Social Darwinism is wrong. Look for instance at the Nama people in Namibia, who were killed, their skulls boiled and sent to Germany to show their inferiority and ape like characteristics. No person, no matter their race is equal in the eyes of God.
MrPieter1978 6 months ago 2
@MrPieter1978 "Social Darwinism" has nothing to do with the scientific theory of evolution. Your logic is the same thing as saying that the theory of gravity is an abomination because people can use gravity to kill someone by pushing them off of a tall building.
navid500 5 months ago 2
@MrPieter1978 the Nama people weren't killed in the name of Darwinism, they were murdered because they rebelled against German colonial rule, they were put in concentration camps and were subject to experiments included sterilization, injection of smallpox, typhus and tuberculosis, this was the forerunner for the Nazi Holocaust it had nothing to do with Darwinism. You could say Christianity is an abomination, the Christian church started the Atlantic slave trade, there's Gods equality for you.
jethropike1964 5 months ago
@MrPieter1978 Nowhere in evolution does it make statements that some races are inferior or superior. Humans were originally black, whites later developed by genetic mutation.
ClamCrunchy 5 months ago
@MrPieter1978
WRONG. Darwin showed once and for all that all people are the same species, Christians at the time screamed that they were not. As forr people being equal in the eyes of God, hope you dont mean the Jewish/Christian god as he does not consider people other than Jews to be equal. This explains his orders to murder and rape other tribes within the bible.
1Munro3000 5 months ago
Amen, Hitler was a believer in Evolution that some races are inferior to their own race. What would happen if an atheistic president decides to cull other humans just on this premise? There is no excuse for racism. Like the new world order: Reduce the population by 1 1/2 billion. OK atheists you go first!
MrPieter1978 6 months ago
@MrPieter1978
You christians had been calling for a genocide against the jews in retaliation for the supposed death of their 'savior' for 2000 years, and you almost got what you were asking for in 1945. Then after Hitler failed, you quickly started trying to blame the genocide on EVERYONE ELSE. And you have been doing that for the last 60 years. But its no good cuz we know Hitler was a Catholic, he hated jews because of RELIGION. You are an asshole.
aegisgfx 6 months ago
I'm wondering why darwinism should explain gravity? Ben is such an egghead. Since darwinism couldn't explain gravity Ben believes in a god which doesn't explain anything about physics. Nota Bene: (no one should ever write god with a capital G)
GLANL 6 months ago
Ofcourse Germans are superior since they have german beers in liter glasses, german sausages, other german food like Berliner Bollen. Go Germany!
GLANL 6 months ago
....That's not what social Darwinism means.....
maximillianAswift 6 months ago
I have watched nearly every dvd from Lee Stobel to Stephen Hawkins. My top ten must watch dvd's to educate about religion...The Bibles Buried Secrets: Israelite Origins, Judgement Day Intelligent Design on Trial, Testament 1 John Romer, National Geographics: Was Darwin Wrong, Noahs Ark: The true story, History Channels Ape to Man, National Geographics: The Walking Whale, Egyptian Secrets of the Afterlife, The Bible Unearthed and Zeitgeist. Also, Wikipedia Ron Wyatt and the Discovery Institute.
Information39 6 months ago
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HA HA HA. What a load.
alianchild 6 months ago
What's great is how Ben refers to "Darwinism", because as we all know "isms" are ideologies and ideologies are not science. Additionally, saying "Darwinism" allows him to attack the fallible human head of the ideology and by discrediting his work, the last 150 years of meticulously gathered mountains of scientific evidence in support of evolution by natural selection can be simply ignored in favor of the "God did it" theory.
Brilliant!?
Qillz 6 months ago
What a dolt. Evolution = holocaust? Shenanigans! Artificial selection was around long before Darwin. At least he admits that evolution doesn't speak to the origin of life, yet he still lumps them together. Why doesn't "darwinism" include physics and cosmology? First, "darwinism" is a misnomer. It's called evolutionary biology. It speaks to how species evolve, not what is gravity.The same reason that the theory of gravity doesn't explain why we see rainbows. Stein is a complete moron and a liar.
pyrobryan 7 months ago
@pyrobryan FTW!
ndrthrdr1 7 months ago
Creationists explain this - why are only certain animals found in Australia? Surely the fact that only certain animals are found in Australia is a strong case for evolution as it proves that isolation species which are isolated for many millions of years have evolved into animals that can be found nowhere else.
ParagramTree 7 months ago
THIS IS BULLSHIT! the guy sits there saying 'i believe there would have been no holocaust without darwinism' how about you learn the experience hitler went through when the jewish doctor of his mother told him she was going to die? liar, this ugly fag knows nothing about hitler's disturbing childhood no wonder he recons hitler was satan or some shit. not to mention hitler loved nobody as much as his mother he even wrote her name before dying and he never ever had a descent relation with a jew.
Kizz7773 7 months ago
Oh a law degree and some movie roles make you an expert on lifes greatest questions? Economy has nothing to do with creation or any other theory Ben. Don't mistake your mastery of the english language as a form of authority or knowledge.
Revolution2pointO 7 months ago
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KowaruKei 7 months ago
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KowaruKei 7 months ago
Wow, two dummies calling other people liars.
gregrutz 7 months ago
And Ben Stein should stick to game shows. Any scientist would laugh at him, with good reason!:)
winterstellar 8 months ago
@winterstellar
Science is the work of the devil.
miguelthedog 7 months ago
@winterstellar Yes, any typical ignorant arrogant payroll bound conformist Neo Darwinian evolutionary scientist would laugh at Ben Stein. Problem is, your so-called scientists actually are not scientists because that requires actually using the scientific method, not writing books based on your cognitive bias. There are plenty of actual scientists who realize that the scientific evidence does not support the idea of Macroevolution. Check the comments on my channel for an essay on Neanderthals.
Automation2BFree 7 months ago
@SelfPromoting It took many, many generations to write such books, since the average life-span of a person there was no more than 30-35 years. And think of all the mistakes, misspellings, mistranslations that will occur thrught all thse generations, haha.
winterstellar 8 months ago
"Darwinism"? Is that the fundie word for *science* or maybe just for *biology* ?
winterstellar 8 months ago
What an incredible contrast. Stein goes from a fairly eloquent speech on the problems in the American economy (whether you agree or not) to a babbling fool rambling on about "Darwinism" (I think he means evolution). I can't believe at 4:30 he actual says "it doesn't explain how gravity works to keep the planets in their orbits". Is he frikin' serious. Maybe because that's an entirely different science you fool. This type of purposeful ignorance takes a lot of work.
ptango101 8 months ago
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Ugh! There is nothing in Darwinism about race. That is a gross misinterpretation of the theory of natural selection. The belief that one race is superior to another predates Darwinism by centuries. No scientific approach would ever support racism or Hitler's theories.
In fact, Hitler's own misunderstanding of Darwinism cost him; he thought that the American population had been corrupted by Jewish genes, and that we were weak. You don't get that kind of nonsense from reading Origin of Species.
zyxek 8 months ago
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zyxek 8 months ago
Oh the stupidity,
IT BURRRNNNNNSSSSSSSSS!
1990PatMorrison 8 months ago
@SelfPromoting You say the bible is credible because it has lasted for thousands of years. Hindu texts have lasted longer than that, so they must be at least as credible as the bible.
navid500 8 months ago
@navid500 absolute nonsence
SuperPatrick777 8 months ago
@SelfPromoting The bible is not the oldest surviving text. In fact, it's not even the oldest surviving religious text. With that kind of logic, you should look into Hinduism or something. Actually, yes I am smarter than people who lived thousands of years ago, who owned slaves and stoned disobedient children. Easily.
navid500 8 months ago
Ben Stein-- isn't he the crook who scams people on the credit rating pitch?
SuperGodless666 8 months ago
Last I checked there was no proof that evolution was a fact. Go back to the drawing board.
lukedetering 8 months ago
@lukedetering
About time someone said this. Who needs knowledge anyway?
miguelthedog 7 months ago
Ben Stein is such an arrogant idiot
babyranks4 8 months ago
By creating this fictitious thing called "DarwinISM," Stein joins the classic ranks of conservative apologists who try to play red-state/blue-state with theological discourse. There is no "Darwin-ISM," that is just a phrase Stein uses to infer a "group" or "movement" based on these weird race fears he has. Stein then holds Darwin (a biologist) accountable for physics, astro-physics, cosmology and answering the totality of life itself, just so that he can say "Ha! You can't answer!"
Spin 101.
belodeau 9 months ago
He says evolution is wrong because it doesn't involve everything else besides evolution? That makes no sense at all, what a moron. Why thehell would evolution involve gravity and thermodynamics?
buttface112211 9 months ago
@buttface112211 the truth is evolution expains nothing at all .
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Uhm, it explains a lot actually, perhaps you should investigate before asserting such bold, ignorant, remarks. But first of all, your comment is somewhat irrelevant because I didn't say anything about what evolution explains, I merely said what it doesn't involve. I could infer that you have a very limited understanding of evolution considering your ignorant remark. What makes that remark stupid is, whether evolution is right or wrong, it still explained something.
buttface112211 9 months ago
@buttface112211 as per usual a lot of words but no coherant explanation for evolution , it simply does not exist appart from a figment of the imagination
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 You don't know what evolution is. For all the evidence gathered it is the best explanation that accounts for all the available data, and allows us to understand the past and make predictions for the future. If someone found evidence against evolution, they would easily win a nobel prize. Evolution explains how life became so diverse, and how it gradually became more and more complex over the last 3 billion years. Evidently this is beyond your understanding.
buttface112211 9 months ago
@buttface112211
after watching dino dot org , my thoughts have been well and truly confermed , evolution is well and truly dead , i never seen such a wooping , it is no wonder evolutionists are running scared of him .
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 What is dino dot org? And you spelled confirmed wrong btw.
buttface112211 9 months ago
@buttface112211 you made the typical silly atheistic mistake by correcting my spelling , you have lost out on a lot of information .
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Ok, I will provide my best explanation that accounts for all your comments, you are a troller. That is quite evident at this point. Perhaps you should answer a question rather than talk shit.
buttface112211 9 months ago
@buttface112211 everyone you people can't answer is a troll , typical
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 You haven't asked a single intelligable question nor stated a single intelligable response. What is it that I should be answering?
buttface112211 9 months ago
@buttface112211 i suggested for a start you go to dino dot org , it seems you can't be botherd all you are interested in is pulling people spelling up , you make statements about evolution and millions of years that cannot be proved at all , just guess work .
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 I have no interest in going to a website, its probably just another website with people like Lee Strobel, Ben Stein, and Kent Hovind that no nothing at all about science or evolution. It is not guess work, carbon dating is an accurate method to date fossils. It has been demonstrated that external conditions do not alter the rate of decay of carbon. There are multiple methods of dating and they all point to the same time period.
buttface112211 9 months ago
@buttface112211 your ignorance is mind blowing , 2 peter chapter 2 was so right , you are wifully ignorant
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Rather than state your analysis of my overal competence, please identify and refute my "ignorant" claims. Maybe then we can engage in a real discussion. Considering your brief responses that ignore all of my original comments, the only conclusion I can draw from it is that you are the ignorant one. You are going nowhere with this, and not even challenging my comments.
buttface112211 9 months ago
@buttface112211
ill ask you one question , and think before you answer --- tell me one single thing you KNOW to be TRUE in evolution , just one .
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 That all life on Earth share similar DNA? That Decent with modification occured? That humans are apes?
wowamonn 8 months ago 2
@wowamonn
did i say eg that we are decended from apes ?
SuperPatrick777 8 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 US fundamentalism has spread to the United Kingdom?
wowamonn 8 months ago
@wowamonn europe is quite Godless now and another type of fundermentalism has taken over [ atheism ] which will leave the path for islam , and i would not be supprised if it happend to america too and then you will see true fundermentalism .
SuperPatrick777 8 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 godless just like before christianty took hold eh.
wowamonn 8 months ago
@wowamonn modification has it's limits , it never goes outside the designated kinds , eg a dog will alway's be a dog .
SuperPatrick777 6 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 I notice you still didn't answer buttface's question. That's very telling. There are many things we "know" to be true about evolution. For example, we know that human, chimps, orangutangs, etc. share a common ancestor. We know this based on observational evidence, such as analysis of DNA and the human/chimpanzee genomes, fossils, and common sense. Can you tell us one thing evolution that you know to be false?
navid500 8 months ago
@navid500
A fruit fly and a man share 60% the same genes- does that mean we share a common ancestry?
Cats 90%
Dogs 82%
Cows 80%
Mice 75%
Your arguement is weak and transparent! All life shares a common ancestry-or design would be a better term.
We are all created by God-every single organism,Plant,Molecule!
It's your own fault that you lack the intelligence to see that.
commonsensrules 8 months ago
@commonsensrules Lastly, evolution is observable, and has countlessly been proven . The same species of a bird, for example, has been placed in an environment where it needs to have a stronger beak in order to eat the food in that location. These birds, through natural selection, evolved and grew stronger and wider beaks, allowing them to eat the food in the environment that they previously could not.
Quit believing in Iron Age dogma that has no place in our modern society. WAKE UP.
DarkestChapter 8 months ago 2
@commonsensrules Actually, I guess it would be god's fault if I lacked intelligence. It's funny that you'd mention that, since the most intelligent scientists in the world think that evolution is a fact and "intelligent design" is nonsense. Please don't try to play the "intelligence" card, because the deck is stacked against you.
navid500 8 months ago
@navid500
i do not subscribe to your idea of intellect obviously! To me intellect is the ability to grasp the scope of creation-see the calm that exists within the chaos that permeates it, and understand that order is never derived from chaos- thus design must be present!
Doesn't seem like much of a leap to me since nature has shown us on every level and in every circumstance that it cannot create order when left to it's own devices and yet order does exist!
but believe what you like!
commonsensrules 8 months ago
@commonsensrules Well it's really convenient to redefine intellect to mean "the ability to think like I do." Good for you. By your own standards, you're incredibly intelligent.
navid500 8 months ago
@navid500 "Actually, I guess it would be god's fault if I lacked intelligence."
Lol, no, that is a weak attempt to rationalize your arguement! The concept of FREE WILL dictates that your ignorance is self imposed!
Try again!
"Please don't try to play the "intelligence" card, because the deck is stacked against you."
Yes, it's apparent you hold Hitchens and the like to be the apex of intelligence-whats sad is the fact that you place more importance on logic than the human soul!
commonsensrules 8 months ago
@commonsensrules It's sad that I place more importance on logic than the human soul? Haha, you just said it yourself. You completely kick logic to the side. Who needs logic when you have a book written by desert-dwellers thousands of years ago?
navid500 8 months ago
@navid500 the whole lot of it is false , and as per usual your answers are totally subjective and built on false presupporsitions , " common ancestor " --really !! pilkdown man ? lucy ??? , what observational evidence , guess work more like it , remember if nothing else , COMMON CREATOR NOT COMMON ANCESTOR , start thinking differantly you be supprised .
SuperPatrick777 8 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 I don't know why you mentioned lucy. Piltdown man was a hoax, and it was exposed as a hoax by scientists. It's not like scientists manufactured it, but creationists caught them. If scientists find evidence that something is false or fraudulent, they don't continue to support it. That's the difference between scientists and creationists. Like other creationists, you seem to think that all scientists in the world are conspiring to discredit your religion. Get a life.
navid500 8 months ago
@SuperPatrick777
try working on your spelling....then try a book on biology.
mcmanustony 8 months ago
@mcmanustony i assume your an atheist
SuperPatrick777 8 months ago
@SuperPatrick777
assume what you like. your posts are nonsense. note the spelling.
mcmanustony 8 months ago
@mcmanustony yeah right anything you say .
SuperPatrick777 8 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Piltdown man was discovered to be a hoax and exposed to be a fraud by scientists! The same scientistswho you claim have an agenda to bury evidence against evolution and manufacture evidence for it. It's very arrogant of you to think that scientists would revolve their work around trying to discredit your religion. If a scientist found any credible evidence against evolution, he would rush to publish it, so that his name would be in textbooks and he'd win prizes.
navid500 7 months ago
@navid500 either you are wilfully ignorant of human natrue or you are lying , a scientist would not dare speak out against evolution or he would loose his job , it is an indistry , a world view , a religion and one of the greatest cons of all time and has caused nothing but harm .
SuperPatrick777 6 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Of course you did not have an answer for the fact that SCIENTISTS are the ones who discovered and revealed that piltdown man and other hoaxes were in fact hoaxes. Stop pretending that scientists make up evidence and Christians save the day by discovering it's fake. Scientists have better things to do than to consume their time with trying to discredit your religion. Get over yourself. Please explain "human nature" and why all scientists are conspiring to discredit religion.
navid500 6 months ago
@navid500 like with all of evolution they where hoaxes and if scientists kept away from evolution the world would be a lot more advanced now an a hell of a lot of people would be still alive now , a lot more would not be in hell now , you people should be ashamed of yourselves , you have a lot to answer for , what do you want to know about human nature , aren't scientists human ? , evolutionary " scientists " certainly are and for obvious reasons .
SuperPatrick777 6 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Please tell me why you believe that scientists would fabricate a prominent and central theory of life sciences and bury evidence against it and conspire will all scientists around the world to uphold this false teaching. I'm curious to know why.
navid500 6 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 You completely dodged again. You said that "human nature" is why scientists would not dare to speak out against evolution. Please explain this connection. Why does human nature lead all scientists to steadfastly support a "false" scientific theory? Please post one coherant and logically sound comment. Rather than simply stating your conclusions, please try to actually explain the reasons for your conclusions.
navid500 5 months ago
@navid500 try youself to speak out against evolution and see how far you will get in the scientific realm , to go into this subject more i would like to do it in another site , there are too little space on this site and is too deep a subject .
SuperPatrick777 5 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Of course you won't get as far in the scientific community speaking out against evolution. How far would you get in the medical field if you still believed that putting leaches on people was good treatment for a fever? How far would you get in the legal field if you believed that the best way to determine guilt or innocence was to force a defendant to swim in crocodile-infested waters to see if god saves him?
navid500 5 months ago
@navid500 what the hell has evoluton got to do with medical science ,it is nothing but a hindrence , and how do you aquate swimming with crocodles with the God of the bible
SuperPatrick777 5 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Those are two primitive views that are now universally rejected in their respective fields. Someone in the field who still advocated for those primitive practices would not get very far in the field. Similarly, someone who advocates for the primitive view of creation and rejects the scientific method would not get very far in the field of science.
navid500 5 months ago
@navid500 keep away from medical science and keep evolution where it belongs , in the philosophy class , the fact is true science confirms the bible .
SuperPatrick777 5 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Haha I think you got that backwards. The Bible belongs in a philosophy class. The Bible completely conflicts with science. You need to try learning science from scientists, instead of pastors. Just like you wouldn't have your pastor perform surgery on you, you should stick to experts in other fields too...including science.
navid500 5 months ago
@navid500 the bible calls people like you fools , and judging by the words that come out of your mouth , you have just confermed it perfectly .
SuperPatrick777 5 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Well if the Bible says it, it must be true. I'm the fool, yet you don't know how to spell confirm. God bless!
navid500 5 months ago
@navid500 what has that got to do with anything ?
SuperPatrick777 5 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 What has it got to do with anything? The fact that you don't know how to spell a simple word like "confirm" affects your credibility when you're calling someone else a fool. Also, instead of telling me that the Bible considers me a fool, why don't you explain your dubious theory that all scientists are engaged in a worldwide conspiracy to discredit your religion?
navid500 5 months ago
@navid500 a fool [ my own china ] is someone who regects Gods word , and relies on human philiosophy , scientists are human like everyboby else , and have predujdices , and does not like God telling them what to do .
SuperPatrick777 5 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Scientists are just so egotistic that they can't handle having god tell them what to do...so they manufacture and support a false scientific theory? That's what you really think? Do you realize that scientists don't consider whether something supports or contradicts religion when they come up with hypotheses and test those hypotheses? Do you honestly think that scientists revolve care enough about your religion to go out of their way to contradict it?
navid500 5 months ago
@navid500 they have been doing that for at least 150 years , your faith in scientists is frightning , God help you .
SuperPatrick777 4 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 Sure, Patty. There comes a time when the only way to deal with a person like you is to nod and smile and move on. Scientists from every part of the world are hell-bent on discrediting christianity, so they put on hold their ambitions to advance science and have their names put in textbooks by discrediting evolution...because they'd rather blindly support evolution and make trouble for christianity. You're right.
navid500 4 months ago
@navid500 im afraid people like you will only find out when it is too late , but like the bible say's " you are without excuse "
SuperPatrick777 4 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 well...your imaginary friend sounds like a real jerk, patty. i guess i'll just hope you're wrong.
navid500 4 months ago
@SuperPatrick777
The bible as well as ALL other so called holy books were written BY men" You have far more faith in humans than I have.
You can be pretty sure your god is man made when he dislikes the same people you do!
1Munro3000 4 months ago
@SuperPatrick777 "" a fool [ my own china ] is someone who regects Gods word ""
How so ?? You cant provide evidence that this god actually exists.. Its seems very reasonable to reject the words of something that has no evidence of existance.
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
Why do you care?Why does anyone care what anyone believes.No one knows the truth and humans probably know .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of everything so everyone stop acting like you know.I'm talking about religious and non-people .So, why argue?
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris ""Why do you care? ""
I care because I unsupportable crap being taught in schools. I see religious nutjobs influencing politics. I see people being denied rights because they dont follow the same religious beleifs as others. I see children dbeing denied medical care because of the religious beleifs of there parents. I see parents indocrinating their children with unsupportable fairytales.
Why dont YOU care ???
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
So what would you prefer?They replace one religion with another?Trying to convert someone to what you believe is truth is not going to stop the problems.Instead of fighting the religion fight the issues.The religions are usually not the problem it's the people."I see parents indocrinating their children with unsupportable fairytales." When it comes to this it seems you have hatred for religion.There is nothing wrong with parents passing on there beliefs.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris ""So what would you prefer?They replace one religion with another? ""
People are free to beleive what they like, but like sex, keep it at home.
""There is nothing wrong with parents passing on there beliefs.""
Yes there is. If those beleifs are unfouned, and set the child on a life journey that is based on a myth that will influence them to make wrong and dangerous decisions, then absolutly it is wrong.,
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
You misunderstood my first statement that's what I was saying.But you can't tell people where they can practice there beliefs.Second statement there are many things in life that can't be explained so we have reasons why they work that are unfounded or we just believe things that are not true.What you are saying is that you must believe this or not practice this because I say it's wrong.What you are saying is dictatorial like.The problem is you act like you know when you don't.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris ".But you can't tell people where they can practice there beliefs ""
Absolutly we can. You want to practice religion ? Great. Do it at home and in a church. Do not bring it to politics or education systems.
There are many things that are presently unexplainable, but we know they exist because we see evidence for them. By not understanding them doesnt by default mean that some god is responsible. That is simply the god of gaps.
Got evidence for god ?? lets see it
podoau 4 months ago
@ninetailschris "" you can't tell people where they can practice there beliefs ""
You are free to practice your beleives at home and in church. Dont bring them into other peoples lives via politics and education
"" there are many things in life that can't be explained""
Yes there is, and we work to finding out the real reason. Until that happens they remain unkown. That doesnt by default mean god did it. That is the god of gaps.
Got evidence that god exists ?? Lets see it
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
They have the right to just like you have the right to reject them.Because that's called "FREEDOM OF SPEECH".What you are saying is exactly what dictator would say.You can't talk about this in the public if I don't agree with it.I don't care if you are talking racist you have the right to say it in public.If you disagree just walk away or if it's political issue for the issue don't ban freedom of speech.
I'm not saying God is the reason for anything just saying no one knows me or you.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris so its ok if I beleive that the flying spagetti monster is real and it created the world. Not only that, I enter parliment and ensure that the pastafarian religion is taught in all school as the only and only truth. I also pass laws that require the wearing of pasta bowls on your head and everyone cannot eat pasta on Sundays.
Would that be ok ?? After all, Im practasining my religion, Im also influencing politics and education. If you disagree, just walk away
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
Going out and telling someone that spaghetti monster is real and will save us is not wrong but what your saying is someone forcing someone to believe your beliefs and participate in it .Now if you believed the religion there is nothing wrong with that it's your beliefs if you were try to convince me I would say no thank you but you tell have the right to try to.The problems again was not the religion but the issues I would tell my congressmen why I feel this is unjust to my rights.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris "" if you were try to convince me I would say no thank you ""
Is this what 3 year old children say to their parents ?? Is this what school kids should say to their teachers when they try to preach religion to them.. Seems you dont understand indoctrination.
Look up the recent video about the man who was denied visiting rights to his children because he was agnostic and the mother christian.
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
1.The child can always change there mind in the future. 2.If your talking about religious schools they have the right to do so as there not breaking any laws if they are they should be punished like any other person. 3.It seem you don't know the Constitution. 4. A "man" is stopping him from seeing his son because he believes he is right just like how your trying to stop people beliefs because your "right" you two are two peas in pot with just two different beliefs.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris ""1.The child can always change there mind in the future ""
Why should they ?? Why cant they be left to find religion if they want to ?
""If your talking about religious schools "" No Im not. Im talking about religious nutters trying to change the public school ciriculum
"".It seem you don't know the Constitution ""
Im not an American
"" just like how your trying to stop people beliefs "" No. people can beleive what they want. Just keep it to themselves
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
1.They kids could always ignore them they have that right. 2.What have you done to try to stop?Seems you like to complain more then actually do something.3.You must have something similar what country are you from? 4.I got a story for you.There was once a Christian that was teaching his son about his beliefs because he just wanted to informed his son of his beliefs so he could possible adopt it so the kid
report this to the government and the child is taken.So, this is right?
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris ""1.They kids could always ignore them they have that right"" right, so a 3 year old is going to make that disicion. You dont understand indoctrinaytion
""?Seems you like to complain more then actually do something "" You cant make that statement. I often contact my memebers of parliment regarding the influence religion is having by the christian party.
podoau 4 months ago
@ninetailschris ""There was once a Christian that was teaching his son about his beliefs ""
Im happy for religion to be taught in schools, as long as it is in a historical sence, and that it covers ALL religions. Your christian should be doing the same, so the child can make their own decisions.
Information is good. Indoctrination is not
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
You didn't answer the question.Do you think it is right to arrest or take someone's child away for trying to teach children there religion.It's a simple no or yes question
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris You may be interested to know that it was reported on the local news here that some christian schools in Australia have taken it upon themselves to write a new verse for the Australian national anthem, that talks about a devotion to some god.
Is that ok ??
You wonder why Atheists care ?? You wonder why we haqve an issue with christonutters interfering with politics and education ??
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
I hate to repeat myself but I'm going to have to do it again.Then protest it or go through the legal system to stop it.Tell them why it violates your rights and personal beliefs.What you are doing is complaining and not getting anything solved.If that group is trying to input that in the national anthem and your doing nothing about how can you complain? "If you have time to whine and complain about something then you have the time to do something about it." ~Anthony J. D'Angelo
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris I have protested. Ive written to the CEO of the the christian schools association. Ive written to the National Minister for Education. Ive written to the National Heritage Federation. Ive added my name to a petition. etc etc.
I asked you if you thought it was ok. You failed to answer the question. You have also consistently failed to answer the issue of religious interference in politics and education. You has simply told me to do something about it,, which I do.
podoau 4 months ago
@ninetailschris
Do you think a loving couple should be denied the right to marry simply because they are of the same sex ?
Do you think a school has the right to change the national anthem to suit their personal beleifs ?
Do you think its ok for people to be denied a job, particulary a leader of parliment, simply because they dont beleive in a god ?
Im asking you direct questions
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
1.If homosexuals want to get married then let them.If I'm allowed to get married why not them.
2.Public School no, just like if your not American you don't have to stand up on the national anthem in American schools. Private yes, for obvious reasons.
3.No.If I saw that I don't care what his beliefs were I would fight for his right to believe whatever he wants just like I would expect the same for me.Freedom of religion works both ways and that's how you get it to work.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris "".If homosexuals want to get married then let them.If I'm allowed to get married why not them. ""
Agreed, yet, the religious movement wants to deny this right
"" Private yes, for obvious reasons"
no. no one gets to tamper with the anthems
""No.If I saw that I don't care what his beliefs were I would fight for his right to believe whatever he wants ""
Yet there are states in the US that wont allow atheists to be govoners.
Now do you see why atheists care ??
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
1.Your trying to personify a belief/religion as if the actually religion is doing this.The people behind the religion is your problem.Now if you if have a problem with the actual people doing this then we can agree on this issue.
2.Before you join a private organization you should read there rules to see if you disagree or agree if you disagree why join?
Please read my second post where I continue my point/response and answer your other question.I will label it "P2".Wait for part 2.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@podoau
1.Your trying to personify a belief/religion as if the actually religion is doing this.The people behind the religion is your problem.Now if you if have a problem with the actual people doing this then we can agree on this issue.
2.Before you join a private organization you should read there rules to see if you disagree or agree if you disagree why join?
Please read my second post where I continue my point/response and answer your other question.I will label it "P2".Wait for part 2.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris ""Your trying to personify a belief/religion as if the actually religion is doing this ""
No. Thats a cop out. These people quote from the bible as a basis for there discrimination against gays. What is a religion without the people who follow it ?
podoau 4 months ago
@podoau
"No. Thats a cop out. These people quote from the bible as a basis for there discrimination against gays."
What is any group without it's people? From what I have seen you usually have 2 types of Christians(from my experience).The cult like one's that hate gays and hate anyone who doesn't believe in God. Then you have laid back Christians were they don't hate gays(hell some churches even welcome gays and yes they do exist) and are good tolerant people that want equality for all.
ninetailschris 4 months ago
@ninetailschris ""Then you have laid back Christians were they don't hate gays ""
I agree. I have friends who are christians. I work with christians, muslims and hindus