@38spence You definitely have a point there, some do tend to have arrogant personalities related to their diet. But don't let that stop you to becoming vegan - do what you want to do :)
@elementalleague Maybe they just haven't tried the diet yet. You can't discredit something when people haven't ever attempted it, only saying 'i could never do that', which most people do. Ever heard of Carl Lewis? Olympic gold medal winner who said his best performances came after cutting out meat.
@elementalleague Venus, Serena, Djokovic and tons of nfl, nba, mma athletes are vegans. More and more people are starting to see the huge benfits of going vegan.
Taste is a product of conditioning. When I was 18 I never thought I would be a Vegan. After 3 weeks on the diet, meat is disgusting to me. I ate a piece of fried chicken(My favorite food before I was vegan) it made me queasy. I feel amazing eating raw veggies. I still eat cooked food every now and then. But I love the feeling I get eating raw vegetables. That got addicting.
@Trollingismyjob Meat tastes like the trash it is unless you charbroil it in dripping fat butter and spices. It's pretty simple, eat animal products and you get all the typical western diseases and afflictions. Eat plant based food and you won't live forever, but you'll have a more productive and pain free life. Have a burger for me too, eat it up.
"Whoooo CAAAAAARES?!" There it is right there in a phrase, the whole vegan schtick. Denying ancestry is madness. The human body designed over the hunreds of thousands of years cannot be trumped by the modern "globalist economy" or whatever the hell this weaklings point is. The science this failed actor displays is pitiful and dangerous. Sure, avoid processed foods and refined carbs, sugar and other modern madness foods but eat lean, organic meat often.
Corpse munchers are the Stepherd Wives. The cattle barons and politicians are the Stepford husbands - getting it in faster, harder and deeper my friend. Look at the way they fuck those defenseless animals...you think they care about how they fuck you? Don't be naive. Don't be a cattle baron's bitch!
The problem with raw is people think they can only eat salads and starve. Then they won't do it. They actually have to educate themselves, and it a very involved process. Sprouting, making nut milks, grinding, dehydrating. Always bringing food with you everywhere. Juicing and the clean up. it's awesome but I can't practically do it without hiring a private chef which I probably COULD afford, but I don't the extreme is necessary. Look at India, mostly veggie for 1000's of years.
IDK if superior was the right word. He should have worded that so he didn't look like a fag for all the judgemental people out there. But I like this guy and I plan on going vegan!
eat what you want to and whatever helps you achieve your goals. for me i know that i do not recover properly from my workouts without extra protein in my diet (and i know because i did try this raw vegan thing for a while) so i get that protein, however what this guy says is also helpful eating fruit and veg raw is by far nutritionally superior and i have found doing so i don’t need to eat as much meat because of it, and i save money on my weekly shop.
@LegPains Actually i find it is for people who enjoy it, and before you start jumping on insults i suggest you consider the people who jump to insults instantly tend to be the "morons" and the lesser mentally evolved rather than those who engage in informed debate and conversation.
if you don’t eat meat that is fine for you however i enjoy meat, i feel it greatly boosts my recovery and performance in my sport (bodybuilding)
@LegPains (sorry if this is a double post laptop keeps messing up)
@LegPains Actually i find it is for people who enjoy it, and before you start jumping on insults i suggest you consider the people who jump to insults instantly tend to be the "morons" and the lesser mentally evolved rather than those who engage in informed debate and conversation.
if you don’t eat meat that is fine for you however i enjoy meat, i feel it greatly boosts my recovery and performance in my sport (bodybuilding)
@nojhead I was a vegan for a year, long enough to tell you it works like drugs. You go vegan, become unable to think as clearly, less sound ideas begin to sound good to you (you cant analyze critically anymore) your diet becomes more skewed, brain downsizes again, and on goes the downward spiral of restrictive diets and declining brain function... Arguing with these people is like arguing with down syndrome kids, the best we can do is pray for them, as difficult as it may be...
@frodosauce Vegan is a hassle. It's more like a great cleanse to do. i think vegetarianism, with fish and eggs included, a few times a week is best. And yes, some good, clean dairy. I'd say about 70-80% of your diet should be veggie, and that isn't just raw vegan, I mean some pastas, some potatoes, beans and rice, and there's soooo much variety. Just do it like the Indians and Asians.
@spritelybird What about the mercury and other toxins from our polluted waterways in fish? Doctors ssay right now it may be worth the risk. May be? Wow, that isn't a risk I want to take. What about all the carcinogens in *rotting flesh? The HCAs and PAHs? Are you just hoping that you can dodge the raindrops? The antibiotics? Hormones? Feces? You ok eating all these?
* Yes, I will save you time: flesh starts rotting as soon at the animal's heart stops.
@FathomlessJoy What are you saying? Einstein wasn't that healthy, and he sure wasn't in good shape. Just look on google images for 'Einstein beach' and admire his belly.
@KorionDotNet I know sometimes it is hard to follow the threads on YT. That was specifically about the uneducated, idiotic comments that a vegan diet makes one think poorly by frodosaucse above. My point was specifically about intellect and not physical fitness. Simply because frodo failed everyone doesn't. You do know that there are loads of vegans who are in killer shape? Professional athletes, body builders, models. Sure, some aren't. Many, like me, are. Did you have a another point? Peace.
@FathomlessJoy I'm not saying vegan is bad. I eat tons of meat and am in good shape. Does that mean eating primal is better? No, it means eating primal is better for me. I tried vegan btw, my allergies got horrendous. It's just not for everyone. But it works for many, that's true.
@KorionDotNet I just grew weary of all the conflicting data: "it does a body good!" OTOG but "limit it!" OTO. The masses dying like flies from flesh, the LDL cholesterol, the saturated fat, the feces and urine that's in it, the rot, the parasites, the carcinogens, the hormones including estrogen, the antibiotics, the stapph, etc.... For me, I opened my eyes and the answer became clear. So long as my eyes were closed, I could not see the anwer. Is there something I could help you with? Peace.
@KorionDotNet Well, it doesn't kill you right away, otherwise the rotting flesh industry would lose all its customers ;) It just doesn't kill you with heart disease either. My risk of every type of cancer decrease when I went vegan. would like for others to shat in that, the freedom. But one day you may be interested in a cruelty-free sustainable diet that is better than you can imagine. When that is the case, I or another vegan may be there to show you a better way, a healthy way, a real way.
@FathomlessJoy You live on your sugar boy. Your last comment makes me want to slap you in the face. Your healthier way made me sick. People like you make me sick. I said vegan is okay for some, but not for me. You, brainwashed kiddo, you just generalize what works for you. You might not kill animals, you kill plants. Everyone has his own set of rules, you follow yours, I'll follow mine. But don't you dare tell me your lifestyle is better.
@KorionDotNet Rotting flesh is violent, it is hate. We can see that. I understand. See it is simple: everyone agrees that eating meat is unhealthy. EVERYONE. Everyone says, “limit your intake of rotting flesh!” The government has changed the food pyramid, the doctors and saying, “limit meat from your diet” the scientists are finding all the toxins in it. And still YOU are saying more…more…MORE! Don’t look now, but you may be driving on the wrong side of the road, fella.
@FathomlessJoy Why are you always talking about "rotting flesh"? My meat is grass-fed, clean, tasty, ... The food pyramid doesn't limit the intake of meat, it limits the intake of grains. Scientists invented the paleo diet recently, that is becoming really popular. If there's one rotten flesh in da house, it's you.
@KorionDotNet Somehow your grass fed meat doesn't rot? Meat takes days to digest, sometimes people don't even digest the meat at all and it sits inside you rotting. A dead animal regardless of what it ate is still a dead animal dipshit. We are not and never were strong enough as an animal to eat other animals, when was the last time you caught a wild animal bare handed and tore it apart with your teeth? We are not meat eaters.
@ACLogikel We were never strong enough to eat other animals thats why -- oh whoops were still here as a species. If you're looking for an example of how vegans delude themselves to keep an exclusive, arrogant position, just look at the 'whens the last time' question here? What we find is that hunting has evolved, from pack to implement use to husbandry. Strange we find that meat is more easily digested when eaten with vegetables and to an extent whole grains, and not much else.
You're comment is all over the place, are you for or against plant based diets? You make a case for the vegans at the same time saying they are deluded.
Regardless of your position, the evidence is there to prove we are meant to feed on a plant based diet. Our immune system flourishes when it is fed vegetables and fruits, meanwhile all sorts of diseases appear when your main food supply is meat based. We need millions of enzymes, none of which we get from meat. All plants. Simple.
@ACLogikel Nice use of 'you're'. I'm against the ingestion of processed foods, sugar especially, basically the modern diet -anything with chemical enhancements (artificial and natural flavorings). I'm all for eating large quantities of foods included in the vegan diet, including fermented foods (shoyu, tempeh, natto), and sea vegetables. But the denial of our anthropological line, to give it a name, is preposterous. We were meant to eat meat. If you eat like above, you'll thrive.
@KorionDotNet No one is saying fruits and veggies are causing disease. No one. Everyone is saying that rotting flesh is causing disease. Everyone. I did the math. It was simple. There is a healthy way of life, free of the violence, lies and hate you know now. It is a great diet with wonderful food. All we have to do is open our eyes and it is there. Peace.
@FathomlessJoy This discussion is pointless. I can't use website references here, but I encourage you to do the math again. You made a couple of errors there. Cheers!
@KorionDotNet Yes, until we are ready for a healthy, loving, peaceful existence on this planet, it is pointless to argue over diet. You contacted me, so I thought you may be ready for a healthy way, a sane way, a logical, rational, sustainable way. Let me know when you are ready, please.
@RPowers45 #1: whose point was proven? And # 2: what point are you talking about? Anyone can get onboard with a fantastic, delicious, healthy, sustainable, cruelty free menu at any time. It isn't a private club. Notice, before you get to the mammary gland excrement and rotting sections of supermarket, there are HUGE fruit, veggies, nuts, beans, whole grains sections. If one does their shopping there it saves lots time walking around the market; time better spent arguing on youtube ;) Peace
@FathomlessJoy Oh yes how rich. I can only guess what you mean by mammary gland excrement -- milk? That's hilarious. Vegans LOVE talking down to people not of their club, with suggestions they are above the fray -- cruelty free, the only humans who are close to god's way--- yeeee. They are the new WASPs -- love animals, can't stand people.
@RPowers45 You did not answer the questions of which point and whose point was proven.
So far as language, I have heard the lies all my life. I no longer use the language of lies. If you do not like what you eat, change! Don't expect others to change the English language around your sick ingestion habits.
So far as "WASP," was that some sort of bigoted statement or something? I haven't seen the term "WASP" in a while so I am not sure if you are old or have come across something new. Peace.
We WERE designed to eat meat, you moron. Look up vitamin B12. It is found in meat only. Also, canines are in our mouths. For wanting to be "natural", you sure cherry pick your arguments.
you sound like a total Moron , with all due respect you obviously have NO idea what the fuck you are talking about , i would intellectually crush and dominate you on this subject pal
3 words for you, BRING IT ON, lets do it, you and me in a debate on this mono a mono, prepare to get crushed and embarrassed, are you ready for the challenge Moron ? lets go
We weren't designed to do anythng. Our common ancestor with chimps and humans all those millions of years ago probably supplemented it's diet with scavanged meat or sometimes on rare occassions banded together to hunt meat like chimps. Interestingly we have small molars when compared to other primates, this has been attributed to cooking food, meat included which consequently gave the fuel our brains needed to grow and develop.
I love meat... Steak, chicken, Turkey and Salmon! I find When I eat more protein I recover better from my strength training workouts. I know this guy is an endurance athlete... I get it. I think protein is essential for my type of training [Strength and Combat] To each their own. I do like this guys running and Tabata workouts however.
Humans can survive on all kinds of diets as has been proved througout history. The important thing is that the food is organic and not processed. I do agree however that the raw vegan diet is best for being healthy and long life and anti aging. However a diet heavy in calories and meat is good for building muscle. All in all though the best way for anti aging is calorie restriction. God created man to survive on all kinds of diets.
The idea that we are designed to eat meat is silly. Before cooking came alone we could only consume plant foods. Now we consume meat because we developed cooking. When you cook anything it destroys most of the nutrition in it and alters the macro nutrients. No other species except us cooks.
@777TylerJB Hello again Tyler. I am curious, have you heard of this food that millions of Japanese eat every day called Sushi?!?!?! It is indeed raw fish and many Japanese eat sushi atleast one meal per day. You can go out, kill a wild animal, and eat it raw, you would gain a whole lot more nutrients too. So why can't you go into your fridge and eat a raw steak? Well the meat you recieve in the grocery store has been processed and packaged, and the processing plant is full of harmful bacteria.
@coolmint191 Whether it is in a processing plant or not it is still contaminated. Decomposing flesh contains tons of bacteria. So many people have become sick from eating raw flesh. A carnivore doesn't have this problem because their saliva and stomach acid can digest and kill all the harmful bacteria. All the omnivores I know of are mostly scavengers. We are herbivores though.
@777TylerJB Whatever bacteria inside will not kill you, but enhance your immune system's resistances. The only bad thing you could do is avoid bacteria completely. The French love steak tartare, the people in the middle east eat raw lamb, the Japanese love raw fish. Raw meat isn't uncommonly eaten in other countries, and safe as long as it is fresh. I can assume you are proboly in a state like California, where the idea of raw meat is foreign, and veganism is very trendy, as well as ignorance.
@coolmint191 That is good to know. I doubt the meat they eat is 100% raw. Even eskimos have to lightly cook the meat they eat. Of course eskimos life span is only 56 years old. Norman Walker a raw vegan lived to be 117 years old. And I am actually from Wisconsin.
@777TylerJB : That age claim has been debunked. Actual official records indicate he was 99 years old. Close but no cigar ... The vast majority of centenarians include meat in their diets. That is a fact that has been demonstrated over and over.
@777TylerJB : Do you even know what a herbivore is? I doubt it otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid claim. You seriously need to open a biology book and actually read it. You just come across as uneducated.
if you want to know why. it's because 99% of the population isn't vegan. So you narrow down the 1% who actually have the potential to be professional athletes, and you're left with people like Brendan Brazier, Michael Johnson, Anthony Gonzalez, and maybe a few others. On the flip side, we have Usain Bolt who eats fcking McDonald's before his race. Try a diet of McDonald's and see how far it gets you. That's what I call 90% talent, 10% skill.
@MichaelBallack91 If their was an easy dietary change that would give an athlete the edge over his opponents, I think one or two would be doing it. Plus, runners and triathletes are NOT considered "fit" to many people, at least in any well-rounded sense. You don't need much muscle mass for endurance sports either. Do an image search for vegan bodybuilders, and compare them to their natural (no steroid use) omnivorous counterparts- the same level of muscle mass is not achievable as a vegan.
It's funny that so many people never consider basic anatomy. Humans have Longer Intestines than Carnivores. There is a reason folks. Just as you thought the federal reserve was a govm't owned establishment, you have also been deceived regarding the best diet for humans. The only way you will ever truly understand is through experience.
A load of crap. A balanced diet has always been the answer...cooked and un-cooked
The evolution of man has been hand in hand with cooking food. We have smaller molars compared to all other primates because we cook our food, in other words we don't have to chew for longer because we cook food. Carrots release more nutrients when cooked and digested, compared to raw. Our ability to digest meat and gain more nutrients from it means larger brains, less time hunting and the development of humans
I think saying "who cares?" to what humans were biologically evolved and adapted to eating is incredibly, incredibly stupid. I think people need a good mix of both vegetables and meats....unless you think you can outdo millions of years of evolution. If eating plants only is actually results in better performance and better survivability, then we would have adapted to become herbivores....which we're NOT
@hivelocity100 and to that i say, you obviously havent compared our jaws, GI tract, or stomach acids to ANY omnivore or carnivore, people did Not evolve to eat meat, we evolved to eat vegetables and greens, like all other apes, we CAN eat meat, at the cost of our health and bone loss, out of necessity. You really should compare humans with ALL carnivores, and ALL herbivores and you'll see that we are quite obviously herbivores, omnivores if you consider insects meat... i do not, just tasty :)
@Krandolph17 Yes...I we did evolve as herbivores AT FIRST...and then we found that eating meat actually had several advantages...we thus started consuming meat...the ones that actually were able to reap the benefits and adapt and evolve to handle this diet...are now...US. Our diet slowly changed hunderds of thousands of years ago. Which explains why most vegetarians need extra protein supplements...merely to function better.
@hivelocity100 Yes, that is entirely true... not! the truth is there is no evidence or incident in the entire fossil record that any animal has ever evolved from herbivore to carnivore or vice versa. fyi, vegetarians do not NEED protein supplements, we need amino acids, of which we get plenty from plant matter, im sorry man but protein just really isnt that important, it was made out to be by the meat/dairy/poultry industrys. same reasons hemp is illegal. oil/logging/plastics/fuel
@Krandolph17 Actually, you know what? Googling this pulls up hundreds or maybe thousands of articles supporting either side. I'm not gonna bother with this one.
the thing is, we were designed originally to eat RAW meat but for whatever reason, the organ that digested it was rendered useless by evolution. if it had not been, the healthiest diet would most likely be that of raw plants AND animals.
Loads of maturity to be had in this commentary. I think Neil and Calicom are missing the point Tim's making, it got obscured in all their shit slinging...way to go!
As reasoning creatures we can find a reason to do exactly what we wanted in the first place.Human beings can survive on diets that are well over 80% animal or 100% veg. It isn't hard to do. It is what makes sense to YOU. I eat mostly veg and grain with a small amount of grass fed meat and wild fish. To me it is perfectly ethical to eat an animal who has lived as it was meant to. If you feel differently, go for it, just don't try and make yourself out as morally superior, you aren't.
Okay bud. No one is taking the high horse here and that's what i hate about people criticizing vegans. I could give a flying f*ck if you don't like us. It's not about US, so when you interpret it as we think we're better, it's not that at all. It's for them. It has nothing to do with us, the reason we're doing this and promoting it is for them. And secondly. I find no moral dilemma with killing my neighbour. It's how he was "supposed" to live, so it's okay.
@MichaelBallack91 Yes way to show how tolerant you are. I say something entirely positive and you come back with inane rantings. Your neighbour is a human being. Are you trying to tell me you think a chicken is basically a small feathered person? Please....you are making vegans look intolerant and stupid. Just stop talking before we all have to feel embarrassed by your ridiculousness.
I hope I can help end this debate faster. Look, we need a variety of foods in our diet to help us live longer and look better. THose guys who suffer from horrible blood work because of eating meat do so because they don't eat enough vegetables and fruits to complement it. Those individuals who eat meat, lots of veggies, and fruits not only experience great health, but also look good.
see this brings up creaitno and evolution. if we want to stick to health, we might want to stick along the lines of what this guy said.
btw evoultion is a religion, they are highly censoring, contradict the spirit of science by falsifying evidence, building things on faulty assumptions like uniformitarianism, there's plenty more valid explanation in inteigent design,eve if it's not only the christian god
life comes from life. the Miller Urey experiment is insufficient. info comes from info
@zazenzach Thanks for that. It's nice to hear someone make a statement like "I chose to be vegan" without it causing them to get in the face of everyone who isn't.
If you want to spend your entire day munching on leaves like a gorilla, then I suppose he's right. The fact is humans can't get enough nutrition from just plants. Most importantly our gut is not designed to digest large amounts of raw plant matter and our teeth are tiney compared to a herbivore's. Why do you think vegetarians have to drink juices and smoothies fortified with vitamins just to have adequate nutrition?
Oh but it does matter because the belief that man was always a meat eater is one of the great lies ever enforced. And plants alone is not superior, fruit is, plant comes second as fruit satiates the taste buds and hydrates.
On the other hand some call folk like me "Oh he's just another one who is preaching something or following something, demanding we all follow." If only it were that simple, but it ain't because its the other way round.
@m3tallih0lic It's amazing how many people I've seen get blood work done after eating a low carb diet that had lots of meat, eggs, and fat and came back with phenomenal blood lipid profiles. Also remember there are five distinct LDL particle sizes and some saturated fats can raise ones that are not harmful. These people also had phenomenal blood sugar and insulin levels. I'm more interested in results than rhetoric, and their results speak for itself. They also lose a lot of body fat.
@neil55851217 so their diet consists of mainly bad fats and protien in which turns to fat when not needed? that doesn't sound good and to me it doesn't feel good.. don't get me wrong i eat meat in moderation but with some meat such as beef and pork it seems that the bad outweighs the good... i prefer fish and poultry.. sure i'll eat beef and pork now and then but i try to avoid it especially when it raises my uric acid levels due to the purines and gives me joint inflamation.. i have gout...
An old rushed comment of mine, ah the memories of last minute typos.
A plant grows from a seed, that seed also comes from the fruit. So the fruit is not exactly the plant or vegetable, but it's seed covering and does grow from or sprouts from the plant, someone on YouTube said the seed is like an egg.
"What came first: the chicken or the egg?"
And there are no "superiors" in nature, what was I thinking? I must be getting as bad as animal consumists (shudder).
@ShroedingerWatcher i'm not catching your point on the whole seed thing.. the fruit is part of the plant therefor it is a plant.. and with all the time gone by i don't even know what i had said.. can't find the comment you're responding to.. so..
We are the only organisms that cook our meat. Raw meat is probably as good for you as raw plant foods except raw meat doesn't keep well, isn't very appetizing and can give you diseases and parasites....in summary raw vegan sounds good to me. lol
Let's see a vegan mix it up in the UFC octagon and not get thrown around like a leaf in autumn, and I'll be first in line to buy a carrot and eggplant smoothie. Until then, I'm feeding the beast.
Funny, I thought that too (esp chocolates, sweets etc). But I looked back at those old memories of tasty, chunky, chewy, meats, chocolates, chewy creamy, nutty, cereals even. And you know what? They were bloody tasteless, why? Because they were all seasoned with at least one flavour:
Sugar, spices, honey, hell even fruit. And yet fruit surpasses all the above old memories of taste as fruit actually tastes good on its own.
That's simply because they are overloading their bodies with protein and bulking up, so they might look "stronger" on the outside but compare both immune systems/general health, and you'll see that raw foodists are in way better shape.
@Kaede069 Just so you know there is no evidence that raw foodism has any benefit over vegan-ism, much less vegetarianism or any more moderate diet. The bizarre claims of "less acidic blood" etc are just a sign or scientific illiteracy rather then dietary superiority.
Actually No you cant, The way to Heal Disease through Nutrition is to get off ALL Animal foods, its Universal no matter the School of Thought of any of the systems of Alternative medicine , they all agree on one thing
DO NOT CONSUME ANY ANIMAL PRODUCTS
they lead to Disease, premature aging, and Degeneration . There is no doubt whatsoever that Humans are naturally Raw Vegans by Design
By studying Anatomy and Physiology Humans are obviously Raw Vegans
Im healthier because im able to defend myself in my natural environment. and because of my muscle mass and high colestorol i am able to take large impacts were as skinny little vegetarian who have no mass and low colesterol can not.i mean common ive never met a vegetarian older than the age of sixty so ask yourself is it really so healthy?
I'm not a vegetarian, but they do live 4 years longer than omnivores. That's a global statistical average. This guy featured here is a raw food vegan. I've never knowingly met one, and I can't say how long they live.
Vegetarianism is something that has been around a long time, but has taken off among young people in the last 20 to 30 years or so.. so perhaps you'll have to wait a while before the vegetarians show up in the older section of the population.
Yes, digestive health is important. but that doasn't mean gut flora or plants supply us with sufficient b12(not analogues).. it takes a loong time for some people to get b12 deficiency, and many raw vegans have gotten it with healthy gut flora(just do a google search). I believe neil also brought up DHA?
You can ' rationalize' it away any way you want, Fact Remains that Vegans as a whole, are NO more b12 deficient than the rest of the Population
Sorry if you dont like that, and it doesnt fit your narrow minded totally subjective views and Life mission to prove Veganism as a False way to eat, but its a Fact
Meat eating pregnant women are the highest category of b12 Deficiency
Its not that im narrow minded or that im "trying" to prove something wrong.. quiet the opposite.. im considering reality, while your narrowing things down.
@calicom110 Actually I'm a bodybuilder that eats lots of meat, so you know, I actually have muscle mass, am leaner, and stronger than most.
Go chew on some bean curd and join the vegan bodybuilders that try to convince us meat eaters that they've built up impressively massive 160 lb physiques. We love laughing our asses off at pathetic idiots like that lol.
@calicom110 Jealous much? I have a phenomenal blood profile just like many bodybuilders I know that also follow a high meat lower carb diet. Nice low fasting blood sugar levels, high HDL, low LDL, very low triglycerides. It's also funny that people I help out when I have them start eating meat and fat they drop body fat like crazy and hold on to muscle mass. Guys that try to avoid animal products end up small and weak! But I guess if want to be a sissy go for it! To each their own.
@calicom110 Again the lack of DHA and B12 from your vegan diet has rotted your brain so you are only capable of these inane, nonsensical retorts. Vegans are idiots.
@neil55851217 and btw you fat shit, B12 is available in supplement form, but yeah i wouldnt expect you to understand that because you've been living in your moms basement eating pork rinds for a decade.......fucking idiot.
@calicom110 so eating meat is bad but introducing industrial products like a b12 supplement is right? So i have a doubt, your supplements from what source you take it? maybe an animal one, if is not, just tell me. And yes, there is evidence that NOT eating meat doesnt makes one emotionally stable, tolerant or peaceful.
@nefandix i dont know i dont see the point of consuming anything that harms animals, if you do some research on how chickens are treated for eggs, you will know why vegans exist....
@calicom110 I am talking about herring, and no, i know farmers that are not sadistic with animals, and in their climate they cannot develop very easy the agriculture. Thanks why you will know why ORGANIC exist... and B12 supplements are all except something organic.
@nefandix it doesnt matter, there is no point consuming animal products when there are other options. What place are you referring to when you say "they're climate"?
i agree it B12 is inorganic, but it is an option, i do know of many people who have not had a source of B12 for many years, and they are in top physical condition. Really im not too sure what you are trying to get at about B12 but it is not extremely important, infact i am trying to get off it soon after my stock is over.
@calicom110 B12 is related with brain function and cardio, they could be "fine" (because B12 abscence can be present in many few years without any advising). And certainly if you eat organic and unwashed vegetables probably you will consume insect eggs and little bugs for your B12 needs. When i say their "climate" i mean is a semi-desert place where is very difficult to produce grains but easy to have straw and grass in order to feed their animals.
@nefandix ok this whole thing about B12, you do know there are sources like fortified cereal nutritional yeast etc for vegans....so there is an option for them, moreover in meat, when it is cooked or processed 80% of the b12 source is lost.
what is this semi-desert place are you talking about?
@calicom110 You know what im talking about, semi-arid places, steppes, places where is not usually dont grow legumes or cereals but grass. You'll see, the vegan paradise is not universal, not for time neither for space. In some places the people eat the hervivores, f.e. ruminants that eat grass or roots as well. In America, the natives that live on the steppes could survive because of hunting, and they where very strong, and nobody was fucking arround them, the same for inuits.
@nefandix ok dude that was probably a long time ago, nowadays everything is available, now for the people who absolutely have no choice, like tribes in africa who live in a jungle or whatever, they are un-educated anyways and probably dont know what a vegan is, im talking about people like us who DO have an option and are aware of cruelty animals face.
@calicom110 Tribes in Africa? are you serious? there are a LOT of people that doesnt have many options about their food, and less to buy expensive mombo-jumbo exotic fruits. Insects are still a primary food source in some cultures of South America, Africa and Asia, people who live in beaches, deserts, steppes, dunes and only have the posibility to obtain the food DIRECTLY from earth. You cant go to a place and say "o dont eat that, that is especism" man you have to travel more.
@nefandix dude listen thats what i am trying to tell you im not bothered about people who do not have the option......it is the people who DO and still eat meat...
@calicom110 I dont know whats the concern of meat, in biology there is a basic principle: ALL form of live have receptors to experiment "pain" and "pleasure", for example there is such an interesting studies about "plant stress": the historic evolution of poison in some flowers, grains, etc, as a response against animals. So plants surely suffer in the ways of industrial prodction. Veganism in that logic is an ANIMALISM. By other hand i dont consume industrial meat, its sadistic; organic is not
I don't think I could ever be Vegan just due to what appears to be an over abundance of very hateful folk within the group.
38spence 1 day ago
@38spence You definitely have a point there, some do tend to have arrogant personalities related to their diet. But don't let that stop you to becoming vegan - do what you want to do :)
mateeah 1 day ago
SERIOUSLY, you have no idea what you are talking about,... the comment has to be approved first of course,...
Trashboldus 6 days ago
@Trashboldus
watch this channel
DURIAN RIDERS
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Are you all going to remove your incisors as well?
aanosler 2 weeks ago
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aanosler 2 weeks ago
that is exactly why all elite athletes are Vegans.... oh wait...
elementalleague 1 month ago
@elementalleague Maybe they just haven't tried the diet yet. You can't discredit something when people haven't ever attempted it, only saying 'i could never do that', which most people do. Ever heard of Carl Lewis? Olympic gold medal winner who said his best performances came after cutting out meat.
mariana123312 1 month ago
@elementalleague Venus, Serena, Djokovic and tons of nfl, nba, mma athletes are vegans. More and more people are starting to see the huge benfits of going vegan.
goingsomewherenice 3 weeks ago
Taste is a product of conditioning. When I was 18 I never thought I would be a Vegan. After 3 weeks on the diet, meat is disgusting to me. I ate a piece of fried chicken(My favorite food before I was vegan) it made me queasy. I feel amazing eating raw veggies. I still eat cooked food every now and then. But I love the feeling I get eating raw vegetables. That got addicting.
FilipinoNino 2 months ago 2
@Trollingismyjob Meat tastes like the trash it is unless you charbroil it in dripping fat butter and spices. It's pretty simple, eat animal products and you get all the typical western diseases and afflictions. Eat plant based food and you won't live forever, but you'll have a more productive and pain free life. Have a burger for me too, eat it up.
mikecazzx 2 months ago 2
"Whoooo CAAAAAARES?!" There it is right there in a phrase, the whole vegan schtick. Denying ancestry is madness. The human body designed over the hunreds of thousands of years cannot be trumped by the modern "globalist economy" or whatever the hell this weaklings point is. The science this failed actor displays is pitiful and dangerous. Sure, avoid processed foods and refined carbs, sugar and other modern madness foods but eat lean, organic meat often.
DRu9 4 months ago
Corpse munchers are the Stepherd Wives. The cattle barons and politicians are the Stepford husbands - getting it in faster, harder and deeper my friend. Look at the way they fuck those defenseless animals...you think they care about how they fuck you? Don't be naive. Don't be a cattle baron's bitch!
~If you knew what I knew, you'd be vegan too~
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
The problem with raw is people think they can only eat salads and starve. Then they won't do it. They actually have to educate themselves, and it a very involved process. Sprouting, making nut milks, grinding, dehydrating. Always bringing food with you everywhere. Juicing and the clean up. it's awesome but I can't practically do it without hiring a private chef which I probably COULD afford, but I don't the extreme is necessary. Look at India, mostly veggie for 1000's of years.
spritelybird 5 months ago
wow lol this guy is crazy who cares um your body does lol.
ColdFusionBombs 6 months ago
This guy really needs to eat some damn meat. He looks like a twig.
Phothak 9 months ago
It all depends on you goals -- however there are very few if any vegetrains bodybuilders
badpanda84 10 months ago
IDK if superior was the right word. He should have worded that so he didn't look like a fag for all the judgemental people out there. But I like this guy and I plan on going vegan!
AstralPossibilities 11 months ago
yeh but chicken tastes great :)
eat what you want to and whatever helps you achieve your goals. for me i know that i do not recover properly from my workouts without extra protein in my diet (and i know because i did try this raw vegan thing for a while) so i get that protein, however what this guy says is also helpful eating fruit and veg raw is by far nutritionally superior and i have found doing so i don’t need to eat as much meat because of it, and i save money on my weekly shop.
nojhead 1 year ago
@nojhead
Meat is for Morons who have No education or understanding of Human food
LegPains 1 year ago
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@LegPains Actually i find it is for people who enjoy it, and before you start jumping on insults i suggest you consider the people who jump to insults instantly tend to be the "morons" and the lesser mentally evolved rather than those who engage in informed debate and conversation.
if you don’t eat meat that is fine for you however i enjoy meat, i feel it greatly boosts my recovery and performance in my sport (bodybuilding)
nojhead 1 year ago
@LegPains (sorry if this is a double post laptop keeps messing up)
@LegPains Actually i find it is for people who enjoy it, and before you start jumping on insults i suggest you consider the people who jump to insults instantly tend to be the "morons" and the lesser mentally evolved rather than those who engage in informed debate and conversation.
if you don’t eat meat that is fine for you however i enjoy meat, i feel it greatly boosts my recovery and performance in my sport (bodybuilding)
nojhead 1 year ago
@nojhead I was a vegan for a year, long enough to tell you it works like drugs. You go vegan, become unable to think as clearly, less sound ideas begin to sound good to you (you cant analyze critically anymore) your diet becomes more skewed, brain downsizes again, and on goes the downward spiral of restrictive diets and declining brain function... Arguing with these people is like arguing with down syndrome kids, the best we can do is pray for them, as difficult as it may be...
frodosauce 8 months ago
@frodosauce Vegan is a hassle. It's more like a great cleanse to do. i think vegetarianism, with fish and eggs included, a few times a week is best. And yes, some good, clean dairy. I'd say about 70-80% of your diet should be veggie, and that isn't just raw vegan, I mean some pastas, some potatoes, beans and rice, and there's soooo much variety. Just do it like the Indians and Asians.
spritelybird 5 months ago
@spritelybird What about the mercury and other toxins from our polluted waterways in fish? Doctors ssay right now it may be worth the risk. May be? Wow, that isn't a risk I want to take. What about all the carcinogens in *rotting flesh? The HCAs and PAHs? Are you just hoping that you can dodge the raindrops? The antibiotics? Hormones? Feces? You ok eating all these?
* Yes, I will save you time: flesh starts rotting as soon at the animal's heart stops.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@frodosauce Well, even the brightest among us can fail at very simple tasks: eating healthy. Hope you know Einstein was vegan, Einstein. Peace.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy What are you saying? Einstein wasn't that healthy, and he sure wasn't in good shape. Just look on google images for 'Einstein beach' and admire his belly.
KorionDotNet 5 months ago
@KorionDotNet I know sometimes it is hard to follow the threads on YT. That was specifically about the uneducated, idiotic comments that a vegan diet makes one think poorly by frodosaucse above. My point was specifically about intellect and not physical fitness. Simply because frodo failed everyone doesn't. You do know that there are loads of vegans who are in killer shape? Professional athletes, body builders, models. Sure, some aren't. Many, like me, are. Did you have a another point? Peace.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy I'm not saying vegan is bad. I eat tons of meat and am in good shape. Does that mean eating primal is better? No, it means eating primal is better for me. I tried vegan btw, my allergies got horrendous. It's just not for everyone. But it works for many, that's true.
KorionDotNet 5 months ago
@KorionDotNet I just grew weary of all the conflicting data: "it does a body good!" OTOG but "limit it!" OTO. The masses dying like flies from flesh, the LDL cholesterol, the saturated fat, the feces and urine that's in it, the rot, the parasites, the carcinogens, the hormones including estrogen, the antibiotics, the stapph, etc.... For me, I opened my eyes and the answer became clear. So long as my eyes were closed, I could not see the anwer. Is there something I could help you with? Peace.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy Well it might not be your cup of tea. I'm eating tons of saturated fat. TONS. And everything is going better than ever!
KorionDotNet 5 months ago
@KorionDotNet Well, it doesn't kill you right away, otherwise the rotting flesh industry would lose all its customers ;) It just doesn't kill you with heart disease either. My risk of every type of cancer decrease when I went vegan. would like for others to shat in that, the freedom. But one day you may be interested in a cruelty-free sustainable diet that is better than you can imagine. When that is the case, I or another vegan may be there to show you a better way, a healthy way, a real way.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy You live on your sugar boy. Your last comment makes me want to slap you in the face. Your healthier way made me sick. People like you make me sick. I said vegan is okay for some, but not for me. You, brainwashed kiddo, you just generalize what works for you. You might not kill animals, you kill plants. Everyone has his own set of rules, you follow yours, I'll follow mine. But don't you dare tell me your lifestyle is better.
KorionDotNet 5 months ago
@KorionDotNet Rotting flesh is violent, it is hate. We can see that. I understand. See it is simple: everyone agrees that eating meat is unhealthy. EVERYONE. Everyone says, “limit your intake of rotting flesh!” The government has changed the food pyramid, the doctors and saying, “limit meat from your diet” the scientists are finding all the toxins in it. And still YOU are saying more…more…MORE! Don’t look now, but you may be driving on the wrong side of the road, fella.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy Why are you always talking about "rotting flesh"? My meat is grass-fed, clean, tasty, ... The food pyramid doesn't limit the intake of meat, it limits the intake of grains. Scientists invented the paleo diet recently, that is becoming really popular. If there's one rotten flesh in da house, it's you.
KorionDotNet 5 months ago
@KorionDotNet Somehow your grass fed meat doesn't rot? Meat takes days to digest, sometimes people don't even digest the meat at all and it sits inside you rotting. A dead animal regardless of what it ate is still a dead animal dipshit. We are not and never were strong enough as an animal to eat other animals, when was the last time you caught a wild animal bare handed and tore it apart with your teeth? We are not meat eaters.
ACLogikel 4 months ago
@ACLogikel We were never strong enough to eat other animals thats why -- oh whoops were still here as a species. If you're looking for an example of how vegans delude themselves to keep an exclusive, arrogant position, just look at the 'whens the last time' question here? What we find is that hunting has evolved, from pack to implement use to husbandry. Strange we find that meat is more easily digested when eaten with vegetables and to an extent whole grains, and not much else.
RPowers45 3 months ago
You're comment is all over the place, are you for or against plant based diets? You make a case for the vegans at the same time saying they are deluded.
Regardless of your position, the evidence is there to prove we are meant to feed on a plant based diet. Our immune system flourishes when it is fed vegetables and fruits, meanwhile all sorts of diseases appear when your main food supply is meat based. We need millions of enzymes, none of which we get from meat. All plants. Simple.
ACLogikel 3 months ago
@ACLogikel Nice use of 'you're'. I'm against the ingestion of processed foods, sugar especially, basically the modern diet -anything with chemical enhancements (artificial and natural flavorings). I'm all for eating large quantities of foods included in the vegan diet, including fermented foods (shoyu, tempeh, natto), and sea vegetables. But the denial of our anthropological line, to give it a name, is preposterous. We were meant to eat meat. If you eat like above, you'll thrive.
RPowers45 3 months ago
@KorionDotNet No one is saying fruits and veggies are causing disease. No one. Everyone is saying that rotting flesh is causing disease. Everyone. I did the math. It was simple. There is a healthy way of life, free of the violence, lies and hate you know now. It is a great diet with wonderful food. All we have to do is open our eyes and it is there. Peace.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy This discussion is pointless. I can't use website references here, but I encourage you to do the math again. You made a couple of errors there. Cheers!
KorionDotNet 5 months ago
@KorionDotNet Yes, until we are ready for a healthy, loving, peaceful existence on this planet, it is pointless to argue over diet. You contacted me, so I thought you may be ready for a healthy way, a sane way, a logical, rational, sustainable way. Let me know when you are ready, please.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy You prove the point that vegans are mainly interested in being exclusive.
RPowers45 3 months ago
@RPowers45 #1: whose point was proven? And # 2: what point are you talking about? Anyone can get onboard with a fantastic, delicious, healthy, sustainable, cruelty free menu at any time. It isn't a private club. Notice, before you get to the mammary gland excrement and rotting sections of supermarket, there are HUGE fruit, veggies, nuts, beans, whole grains sections. If one does their shopping there it saves lots time walking around the market; time better spent arguing on youtube ;) Peace
FathomlessJoy 3 months ago
@FathomlessJoy Oh yes how rich. I can only guess what you mean by mammary gland excrement -- milk? That's hilarious. Vegans LOVE talking down to people not of their club, with suggestions they are above the fray -- cruelty free, the only humans who are close to god's way--- yeeee. They are the new WASPs -- love animals, can't stand people.
RPowers45 3 months ago
@RPowers45 You did not answer the questions of which point and whose point was proven.
So far as language, I have heard the lies all my life. I no longer use the language of lies. If you do not like what you eat, change! Don't expect others to change the English language around your sick ingestion habits.
So far as "WASP," was that some sort of bigoted statement or something? I haven't seen the term "WASP" in a while so I am not sure if you are old or have come across something new. Peace.
FathomlessJoy 3 months ago
We WERE designed to eat meat, you moron. Look up vitamin B12. It is found in meat only. Also, canines are in our mouths. For wanting to be "natural", you sure cherry pick your arguments.
millec60 1 year ago
@millec60
you sound like a total Moron , with all due respect you obviously have NO idea what the fuck you are talking about , i would intellectually crush and dominate you on this subject pal
3 words for you, BRING IT ON, lets do it, you and me in a debate on this mono a mono, prepare to get crushed and embarrassed, are you ready for the challenge Moron ? lets go
LegPains 1 year ago
@millec60
u must be probably a muslim coz u are thought not 2 think jus do as d books says rite
aakash798 7 months ago
We weren't designed to do anythng. Our common ancestor with chimps and humans all those millions of years ago probably supplemented it's diet with scavanged meat or sometimes on rare occassions banded together to hunt meat like chimps. Interestingly we have small molars when compared to other primates, this has been attributed to cooking food, meat included which consequently gave the fuel our brains needed to grow and develop.
eldictator1 1 year ago
@eldictator1
We are biologically and physiologically designed to be raw vegans, that is absolutely indisputable and a fact
LegPains 1 year ago
@LegPains
Explain the gas & bloating?! lol For me, the perfect diet is raw veggies + fatty meats & nuts.
QueenSemiramis 7 months ago
very good way of putting it!
sfwdcivic 1 year ago
I love meat... Steak, chicken, Turkey and Salmon! I find When I eat more protein I recover better from my strength training workouts. I know this guy is an endurance athlete... I get it. I think protein is essential for my type of training [Strength and Combat] To each their own. I do like this guys running and Tabata workouts however.
Train Hard... Fight Easy!
Sharkman3472 1 year ago
@Sharkman3472
you need to watch the videos
RAW VEGAN MYTH
PROTEIN MYTH
LegPains 1 year ago
i only eat kittens.
kingdarko 1 year ago
Humans can survive on all kinds of diets as has been proved througout history. The important thing is that the food is organic and not processed. I do agree however that the raw vegan diet is best for being healthy and long life and anti aging. However a diet heavy in calories and meat is good for building muscle. All in all though the best way for anti aging is calorie restriction. God created man to survive on all kinds of diets.
TerrificTyler777 1 year ago
"so what if we were designed to eat meat?" What kind of gas do you put in your car?
aanosler 1 year ago
The idea that we are designed to eat meat is silly. Before cooking came alone we could only consume plant foods. Now we consume meat because we developed cooking. When you cook anything it destroys most of the nutrition in it and alters the macro nutrients. No other species except us cooks.
777TylerJB 1 year ago
@777TylerJB Hello again Tyler. I am curious, have you heard of this food that millions of Japanese eat every day called Sushi?!?!?! It is indeed raw fish and many Japanese eat sushi atleast one meal per day. You can go out, kill a wild animal, and eat it raw, you would gain a whole lot more nutrients too. So why can't you go into your fridge and eat a raw steak? Well the meat you recieve in the grocery store has been processed and packaged, and the processing plant is full of harmful bacteria.
coolmint191 1 year ago
@coolmint191 Whether it is in a processing plant or not it is still contaminated. Decomposing flesh contains tons of bacteria. So many people have become sick from eating raw flesh. A carnivore doesn't have this problem because their saliva and stomach acid can digest and kill all the harmful bacteria. All the omnivores I know of are mostly scavengers. We are herbivores though.
777TylerJB 1 year ago
@777TylerJB Whatever bacteria inside will not kill you, but enhance your immune system's resistances. The only bad thing you could do is avoid bacteria completely. The French love steak tartare, the people in the middle east eat raw lamb, the Japanese love raw fish. Raw meat isn't uncommonly eaten in other countries, and safe as long as it is fresh. I can assume you are proboly in a state like California, where the idea of raw meat is foreign, and veganism is very trendy, as well as ignorance.
coolmint191 1 year ago
@coolmint191 That is good to know. I doubt the meat they eat is 100% raw. Even eskimos have to lightly cook the meat they eat. Of course eskimos life span is only 56 years old. Norman Walker a raw vegan lived to be 117 years old. And I am actually from Wisconsin.
777TylerJB 1 year ago
@777TylerJB : Sorry man but there are no documented raw vegan centenarians. He did apparently reach the age of 99.
auggiedoggy 1 year ago
@777TylerJB : That age claim has been debunked. Actual official records indicate he was 99 years old. Close but no cigar ... The vast majority of centenarians include meat in their diets. That is a fact that has been demonstrated over and over.
auggiedoggy 1 year ago
@777TylerJB : Do you even know what a herbivore is? I doubt it otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid claim. You seriously need to open a biology book and actually read it. You just come across as uneducated.
auggiedoggy 1 year ago
i <3 it!!! YES!!!
RochelleHansonMusic 1 year ago
Why are NO top athletes vegan if it gives "superior performance"? This is bullshit; the food we evolved with is absolutely relevant.
sybo59 1 year ago
@sybo59
if you want to know why. it's because 99% of the population isn't vegan. So you narrow down the 1% who actually have the potential to be professional athletes, and you're left with people like Brendan Brazier, Michael Johnson, Anthony Gonzalez, and maybe a few others. On the flip side, we have Usain Bolt who eats fcking McDonald's before his race. Try a diet of McDonald's and see how far it gets you. That's what I call 90% talent, 10% skill.
MichaelBallack91 1 year ago
@MichaelBallack91 If their was an easy dietary change that would give an athlete the edge over his opponents, I think one or two would be doing it. Plus, runners and triathletes are NOT considered "fit" to many people, at least in any well-rounded sense. You don't need much muscle mass for endurance sports either. Do an image search for vegan bodybuilders, and compare them to their natural (no steroid use) omnivorous counterparts- the same level of muscle mass is not achievable as a vegan.
sybo59 1 year ago
It's funny that so many people never consider basic anatomy. Humans have Longer Intestines than Carnivores. There is a reason folks. Just as you thought the federal reserve was a govm't owned establishment, you have also been deceived regarding the best diet for humans. The only way you will ever truly understand is through experience.
angelbe88 1 year ago
bad logic
sabmaev 1 year ago
A load of crap. A balanced diet has always been the answer...cooked and un-cooked
The evolution of man has been hand in hand with cooking food. We have smaller molars compared to all other primates because we cook our food, in other words we don't have to chew for longer because we cook food. Carrots release more nutrients when cooked and digested, compared to raw. Our ability to digest meat and gain more nutrients from it means larger brains, less time hunting and the development of humans
eldictator1 1 year ago
I wonder who Michael and Grace are.
Smithpolly 1 year ago
And the thing that you say about cooking and B12 thats another Horseshit:
Chicken liver cooked
nutritiondata. self.com /facts/poultry-products/7211/2
Chicken liver raw
nutritiondata. self. com /facts/poultry-products/666/2
Look at the numbers, "666" oh thats bad.
So i do not eat meat but i dont believe im better for that. Who knows maybe we will perish in the next ice age.
nefandix 1 year ago
I think saying "who cares?" to what humans were biologically evolved and adapted to eating is incredibly, incredibly stupid. I think people need a good mix of both vegetables and meats....unless you think you can outdo millions of years of evolution. If eating plants only is actually results in better performance and better survivability, then we would have adapted to become herbivores....which we're NOT
hivelocity100 1 year ago
@hivelocity100 and to that i say, you obviously havent compared our jaws, GI tract, or stomach acids to ANY omnivore or carnivore, people did Not evolve to eat meat, we evolved to eat vegetables and greens, like all other apes, we CAN eat meat, at the cost of our health and bone loss, out of necessity. You really should compare humans with ALL carnivores, and ALL herbivores and you'll see that we are quite obviously herbivores, omnivores if you consider insects meat... i do not, just tasty :)
Krandolph17 1 year ago
@Krandolph17 Yes...I we did evolve as herbivores AT FIRST...and then we found that eating meat actually had several advantages...we thus started consuming meat...the ones that actually were able to reap the benefits and adapt and evolve to handle this diet...are now...US. Our diet slowly changed hunderds of thousands of years ago. Which explains why most vegetarians need extra protein supplements...merely to function better.
hivelocity100 1 year ago
@hivelocity100 Yes, that is entirely true... not! the truth is there is no evidence or incident in the entire fossil record that any animal has ever evolved from herbivore to carnivore or vice versa. fyi, vegetarians do not NEED protein supplements, we need amino acids, of which we get plenty from plant matter, im sorry man but protein just really isnt that important, it was made out to be by the meat/dairy/poultry industrys. same reasons hemp is illegal. oil/logging/plastics/fuel
Krandolph17 1 year ago
@Krandolph17 I strongly strongly disagree. I, at the moment, do not want to do the research, though.
hivelocity100 1 year ago
@Krandolph17 Actually, you know what? Googling this pulls up hundreds or maybe thousands of articles supporting either side. I'm not gonna bother with this one.
hivelocity100 1 year ago
i know a great source of fresh raw meat that can be eaten.. starts with a P and ends with a USSY... it's my main source of B12
m3tallih0lic 1 year ago
the thing is, we were designed originally to eat RAW meat but for whatever reason, the organ that digested it was rendered useless by evolution. if it had not been, the healthiest diet would most likely be that of raw plants AND animals.
MikeShabs 1 year ago
I think we were designed to eat other people. Tomorrow i am starting an all human diet.
Style386 1 year ago
@Style386 You know how many pesticides are in them?
apocalist420 1 year ago
Unfortunately the raw food culture is dominanted by vegans, take a little more time it will dominated by omnivores
patryksky 1 year ago
Loads of maturity to be had in this commentary. I think Neil and Calicom are missing the point Tim's making, it got obscured in all their shit slinging...way to go!
bioartz 1 year ago
As reasoning creatures we can find a reason to do exactly what we wanted in the first place.Human beings can survive on diets that are well over 80% animal or 100% veg. It isn't hard to do. It is what makes sense to YOU. I eat mostly veg and grain with a small amount of grass fed meat and wild fish. To me it is perfectly ethical to eat an animal who has lived as it was meant to. If you feel differently, go for it, just don't try and make yourself out as morally superior, you aren't.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago 18
@MichaelnChristine
Okay bud. No one is taking the high horse here and that's what i hate about people criticizing vegans. I could give a flying f*ck if you don't like us. It's not about US, so when you interpret it as we think we're better, it's not that at all. It's for them. It has nothing to do with us, the reason we're doing this and promoting it is for them. And secondly. I find no moral dilemma with killing my neighbour. It's how he was "supposed" to live, so it's okay.
makes sense?
lol.
MichaelBallack91 1 year ago
@MichaelBallack91 Yes way to show how tolerant you are. I say something entirely positive and you come back with inane rantings. Your neighbour is a human being. Are you trying to tell me you think a chicken is basically a small feathered person? Please....you are making vegans look intolerant and stupid. Just stop talking before we all have to feel embarrassed by your ridiculousness.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine well said.
jeff4bucks 1 year ago
@jeff4bucks Thanks!
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
i love this guy's answer:
WHO CARES? moot point. which performs better?
gwho 1 year ago
I hope I can help end this debate faster. Look, we need a variety of foods in our diet to help us live longer and look better. THose guys who suffer from horrible blood work because of eating meat do so because they don't eat enough vegetables and fruits to complement it. Those individuals who eat meat, lots of veggies, and fruits not only experience great health, but also look good.
akhil2000 1 year ago
WE EVOLVED to be an OMNIVORE! You can not just change that in 50 years time. Go chew on some bark and leave the rest of the human population alone.
SicSeb 1 year ago
True. Seems like some guys are tryinna reverse the evolution. It's meat what made humans what they are.
Mehedict 1 year ago
see this brings up creaitno and evolution. if we want to stick to health, we might want to stick along the lines of what this guy said.
btw evoultion is a religion, they are highly censoring, contradict the spirit of science by falsifying evidence, building things on faulty assumptions like uniformitarianism, there's plenty more valid explanation in inteigent design,eve if it's not only the christian god
life comes from life. the Miller Urey experiment is insufficient. info comes from info
gwho 1 year ago
@gwho Evolution is a religion? I bet you don't even know the definition of evolution.
TheGreatFoxKing 1 year ago
Your really stupid if you think plant fuel is more efficient than meat (in terms of protein)
to clarify, im a strict vegan too. im just not lying to myself
zazenzach 1 year ago
@zazenzach Thanks for that. It's nice to hear someone make a statement like "I chose to be vegan" without it causing them to get in the face of everyone who isn't.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
Are you going to remove your incisors as well?
aanosler 2 years ago
If you want to spend your entire day munching on leaves like a gorilla, then I suppose he's right. The fact is humans can't get enough nutrition from just plants. Most importantly our gut is not designed to digest large amounts of raw plant matter and our teeth are tiney compared to a herbivore's. Why do you think vegetarians have to drink juices and smoothies fortified with vitamins just to have adequate nutrition?
ScaryCannibalTrout1 2 years ago
@ScaryCannibalTrout1
yeah.....Its really hard to determine if this guy is purely delusional or out to make a buck.
xTheFormlessOneIGF1 2 years ago
This is the best answer I've ever seen to the "should we eat meat" argument. Hoorah for Tim!
Capulator8 2 years ago
"Even if we were designed to eat meat..."
Oh but it does matter because the belief that man was always a meat eater is one of the great lies ever enforced. And plants alone is not superior, fruit is, plant comes second as fruit satiates the taste buds and hydrates.
On the other hand some call folk like me "Oh he's just another one who is preaching something or following something, demanding we all follow." If only it were that simple, but it ain't because its the other way round.
ShroedingerWatcher 2 years ago
@ShroedingerWatcher "fruit is superior, plants come second" lol uhhhh fruits are plants... i think you ment vegetables
m3tallih0lic 1 year ago
@m3tallih0lic It's amazing how many people I've seen get blood work done after eating a low carb diet that had lots of meat, eggs, and fat and came back with phenomenal blood lipid profiles. Also remember there are five distinct LDL particle sizes and some saturated fats can raise ones that are not harmful. These people also had phenomenal blood sugar and insulin levels. I'm more interested in results than rhetoric, and their results speak for itself. They also lose a lot of body fat.
neil55851217 1 year ago
@neil55851217 so their diet consists of mainly bad fats and protien in which turns to fat when not needed? that doesn't sound good and to me it doesn't feel good.. don't get me wrong i eat meat in moderation but with some meat such as beef and pork it seems that the bad outweighs the good... i prefer fish and poultry.. sure i'll eat beef and pork now and then but i try to avoid it especially when it raises my uric acid levels due to the purines and gives me joint inflamation.. i have gout...
m3tallih0lic 1 year ago
@m3tallih0lic
An old rushed comment of mine, ah the memories of last minute typos.
A plant grows from a seed, that seed also comes from the fruit. So the fruit is not exactly the plant or vegetable, but it's seed covering and does grow from or sprouts from the plant, someone on YouTube said the seed is like an egg.
"What came first: the chicken or the egg?"
And there are no "superiors" in nature, what was I thinking? I must be getting as bad as animal consumists (shudder).
ShroedingerWatcher 1 year ago
@ShroedingerWatcher i'm not catching your point on the whole seed thing.. the fruit is part of the plant therefor it is a plant.. and with all the time gone by i don't even know what i had said.. can't find the comment you're responding to.. so..
m3tallih0lic 1 year ago
We are the only organisms that cook our meat. Raw meat is probably as good for you as raw plant foods except raw meat doesn't keep well, isn't very appetizing and can give you diseases and parasites....in summary raw vegan sounds good to me. lol
nc2714 2 years ago
@nc2714 did you know more people die everyyear from pesticides and contaminated plants then bad meat?
leveille1 2 years ago
Let's see a vegan mix it up in the UFC octagon and not get thrown around like a leaf in autumn, and I'll be first in line to buy a carrot and eggplant smoothie. Until then, I'm feeding the beast.
NephilimRomance 2 years ago
Check out Mac Danzig seems like veganism works for him. Where´s my smoothie :)
bastardism 2 years ago
@NephilimRomance haha, true that.
leveille1 2 years ago
superior in what?
i find meat superior in taste which also 'matters'.
mahesh7337 2 years ago
But Tim Van Whatnot would say that is why you don't run up the Sears tower faster than him.
HengistTheGreat 2 years ago
I find eating humans that are stupid taste good
LierreKeithPwned 2 years ago
Funny, I thought that too (esp chocolates, sweets etc). But I looked back at those old memories of tasty, chunky, chewy, meats, chocolates, chewy creamy, nutty, cereals even. And you know what? They were bloody tasteless, why? Because they were all seasoned with at least one flavour:
Sugar, spices, honey, hell even fruit. And yet fruit surpasses all the above old memories of taste as fruit actually tastes good on its own.
ShroedingerWatcher 2 years ago
humans are omnivores!! But that doesn't mean that we cannot thrive on a plant-based diet hehe.
cellulitelove 2 years ago
funny thing is people who eat meat are usualy stronger than people that live on just veg!
Deathninja5 2 years ago
That's simply because they are overloading their bodies with protein and bulking up, so they might look "stronger" on the outside but compare both immune systems/general health, and you'll see that raw foodists are in way better shape.
ps: I'm not a raw foodist (but i wish i were lol)
Kaede069 2 years ago 3
i got a few Incredible Raw Vegan Bodybuilding vids for you to check out
RAW MATT WORKOUT GYM
RAW VEGAN MYTH
also check out the channel of
LIFE REGENERATOR
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
@Kaede069 Just so you know there is no evidence that raw foodism has any benefit over vegan-ism, much less vegetarianism or any more moderate diet. The bizarre claims of "less acidic blood" etc are just a sign or scientific illiteracy rather then dietary superiority.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
The goal in life is to be Not only STrong , but also to live a totally disease free life in vibrant great Health !
The Raw Vegan diet allows Both to happen
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago 2
you can get that better by eating meat
Deathninja5 2 years ago
Actually No you cant, The way to Heal Disease through Nutrition is to get off ALL Animal foods, its Universal no matter the School of Thought of any of the systems of Alternative medicine , they all agree on one thing
DO NOT CONSUME ANY ANIMAL PRODUCTS
they lead to Disease, premature aging, and Degeneration . There is no doubt whatsoever that Humans are naturally Raw Vegans by Design
By studying Anatomy and Physiology Humans are obviously Raw Vegans
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
who cares whos stronger ask yourself whos healthier
rbowl15 2 years ago 2
Im healthier because im able to defend myself in my natural environment. and because of my muscle mass and high colestorol i am able to take large impacts were as skinny little vegetarian who have no mass and low colesterol can not.i mean common ive never met a vegetarian older than the age of sixty so ask yourself is it really so healthy?
Deathninja5 2 years ago
I'm not a vegetarian, but they do live 4 years longer than omnivores. That's a global statistical average. This guy featured here is a raw food vegan. I've never knowingly met one, and I can't say how long they live.
Vegetarianism is something that has been around a long time, but has taken off among young people in the last 20 to 30 years or so.. so perhaps you'll have to wait a while before the vegetarians show up in the older section of the population.
HengistTheGreat 2 years ago 2
Don Tolman on youtube my friend !!!
Squabbles10 2 years ago
whats with all the idiot comment out here? are they all vegans with braindamage?
veryfuck 2 years ago
Raw Vegan Power
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
I think the lack of DHA and B12 has compromised all these vegans' brains.
neil55851217 2 years ago 8
dont forget EPA!!
veryfuck 2 years ago 2
yea, and Omega-3 fatty acid.
troyhoward15 2 years ago
check out the raw vegan vids by
LIFE REGENERATOR
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
actually, the largest group that suffers from b12 deficiency is Meat eating pregnant women.
b12 has to do with your digestive efficiency and flora condition, and not whether or not you eat meat.
Dont be a clueless stereotypical ' meathead' , get the Facts . Im vegan and i have NO b12 deficiency nor does anyone i know thats Vegan.
ANYONE can be b12 deficient regardless if they eat Meat or dont eat meat. The larger ? is what is ur digestive health
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
Yes, digestive health is important. but that doasn't mean gut flora or plants supply us with sufficient b12(not analogues).. it takes a loong time for some people to get b12 deficiency, and many raw vegans have gotten it with healthy gut flora(just do a google search). I believe neil also brought up DHA?
qwerudo 2 years ago 2
You can ' rationalize' it away any way you want, Fact Remains that Vegans as a whole, are NO more b12 deficient than the rest of the Population
Sorry if you dont like that, and it doesnt fit your narrow minded totally subjective views and Life mission to prove Veganism as a False way to eat, but its a Fact
Meat eating pregnant women are the highest category of b12 Deficiency
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
You always post long and ignorant dietribes.
Its not that im narrow minded or that im "trying" to prove something wrong.. quiet the opposite.. im considering reality, while your narrowing things down.
qwerudo 2 years ago 2
I disagree
Lets just leave it at that
take care
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
Well it doasn't really matter.. from the beginning you should have just told me that you disagree, I was always interested in knowledge.
qwerudo 2 years ago 2
im interested in Results, ill keep getting great Results, you keep getting Knowledge
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
I am getting great results too. Knowledge is a part of it. The two are not exclusive.
qwerudo 2 years ago 2
well then good for you !!!!
get your results and go brag to everyone on the Meat eating videos
why are you even on here and why do you care about what i eat or anyone else ?
ACEBAKER911 2 years ago
Read our previous conversatiuon, if you have forgotten, you were bragging and claiming rv to be fact.
qwerudo 2 years ago
@neil55851217 says neil55851217, the couch potato fatass motherfucker, who's eating pork rinds and drinking lard.
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 Actually I'm a bodybuilder that eats lots of meat, so you know, I actually have muscle mass, am leaner, and stronger than most.
Go chew on some bean curd and join the vegan bodybuilders that try to convince us meat eaters that they've built up impressively massive 160 lb physiques. We love laughing our asses off at pathetic idiots like that lol.
neil55851217 1 year ago
@neil55851217 sure fatso, let me know when you get a heart attack
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 Jealous much? I have a phenomenal blood profile just like many bodybuilders I know that also follow a high meat lower carb diet. Nice low fasting blood sugar levels, high HDL, low LDL, very low triglycerides. It's also funny that people I help out when I have them start eating meat and fat they drop body fat like crazy and hold on to muscle mass. Guys that try to avoid animal products end up small and weak! But I guess if want to be a sissy go for it! To each their own.
neil55851217 1 year ago
@neil55851217 ahh fatso can use wikipedia.....good job fatso good job...now dont you have a pie to attend to.
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 Again the lack of DHA and B12 from your vegan diet has rotted your brain so you are only capable of these inane, nonsensical retorts. Vegans are idiots.
neil55851217 1 year ago
@neil55851217 and again go shove your face with cake. you fatass motherfucker who is in denial, and thinks he is healthy.
calicom110 1 year ago
@neil55851217 and btw you fat shit, B12 is available in supplement form, but yeah i wouldnt expect you to understand that because you've been living in your moms basement eating pork rinds for a decade.......fucking idiot.
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 so eating meat is bad but introducing industrial products like a b12 supplement is right? So i have a doubt, your supplements from what source you take it? maybe an animal one, if is not, just tell me. And yes, there is evidence that NOT eating meat doesnt makes one emotionally stable, tolerant or peaceful.
nefandix 1 year ago
@nefandix no the supplement is vegan so absolutely no animal products.....
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 MMMMmmmm from what exactly? From "vegan stuff" or what?
nefandix 1 year ago
@nefandix they are probably man made and not natural, but still better than the option of killing something that feels pain
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 what about fish herring or eggs?
nefandix 1 year ago
@nefandix i dont know i dont see the point of consuming anything that harms animals, if you do some research on how chickens are treated for eggs, you will know why vegans exist....
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 I am talking about herring, and no, i know farmers that are not sadistic with animals, and in their climate they cannot develop very easy the agriculture. Thanks why you will know why ORGANIC exist... and B12 supplements are all except something organic.
nefandix 1 year ago
@nefandix it doesnt matter, there is no point consuming animal products when there are other options. What place are you referring to when you say "they're climate"?
i agree it B12 is inorganic, but it is an option, i do know of many people who have not had a source of B12 for many years, and they are in top physical condition. Really im not too sure what you are trying to get at about B12 but it is not extremely important, infact i am trying to get off it soon after my stock is over.
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 B12 is related with brain function and cardio, they could be "fine" (because B12 abscence can be present in many few years without any advising). And certainly if you eat organic and unwashed vegetables probably you will consume insect eggs and little bugs for your B12 needs. When i say their "climate" i mean is a semi-desert place where is very difficult to produce grains but easy to have straw and grass in order to feed their animals.
nefandix 1 year ago
@nefandix ok this whole thing about B12, you do know there are sources like fortified cereal nutritional yeast etc for vegans....so there is an option for them, moreover in meat, when it is cooked or processed 80% of the b12 source is lost.
what is this semi-desert place are you talking about?
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 You know what im talking about, semi-arid places, steppes, places where is not usually dont grow legumes or cereals but grass. You'll see, the vegan paradise is not universal, not for time neither for space. In some places the people eat the hervivores, f.e. ruminants that eat grass or roots as well. In America, the natives that live on the steppes could survive because of hunting, and they where very strong, and nobody was fucking arround them, the same for inuits.
nefandix 1 year ago
@nefandix ok dude that was probably a long time ago, nowadays everything is available, now for the people who absolutely have no choice, like tribes in africa who live in a jungle or whatever, they are un-educated anyways and probably dont know what a vegan is, im talking about people like us who DO have an option and are aware of cruelty animals face.
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 Tribes in Africa? are you serious? there are a LOT of people that doesnt have many options about their food, and less to buy expensive mombo-jumbo exotic fruits. Insects are still a primary food source in some cultures of South America, Africa and Asia, people who live in beaches, deserts, steppes, dunes and only have the posibility to obtain the food DIRECTLY from earth. You cant go to a place and say "o dont eat that, that is especism" man you have to travel more.
nefandix 1 year ago
@nefandix dude listen thats what i am trying to tell you im not bothered about people who do not have the option......it is the people who DO and still eat meat...
calicom110 1 year ago
@calicom110 I dont know whats the concern of meat, in biology there is a basic principle: ALL form of live have receptors to experiment "pain" and "pleasure", for example there is such an interesting studies about "plant stress": the historic evolution of poison in some flowers, grains, etc, as a response against animals. So plants surely suffer in the ways of industrial prodction. Veganism in that logic is an ANIMALISM. By other hand i dont consume industrial meat, its sadistic; organic is not
nefandix 1 year ago