1988 PBA Showboat Sr Invitational: Weber vs Salvino-2

[Starcastle2009]

Weber bowled his best in the era of the set shot - his trip 4 was a killer - Salvino always had more power hooking the ball. In his era he was the king of the rip 5.

[2royplayer]

It was my understanding after reading a article by the great bowling guru Bill Taylor that Dick Weber started cutting his follow through short due to the fact that the pins started to be manufactured with double voids as compared to single voids. Double voided pins mixed better. With the single voided pins strong forward roll was needed to knock them down whereas strong forward roll with double voided resulted in a lot of ringing tens, therefor the weak follow through to tame down the roll.

[irishpogi]

@2royplayer RIP Bill Taylor. If the leadership within the factions that made up the bowling industry, it'd be in a far better place today. Because they didn't, the industry suffers.

[shad0h027]

DW is an all-time great, so pls don't misconstrue this comment, but watching video it seems like he never "finishes" a shot. Makes me wonder if he could have been even better, or if it was his instinctive way of throwing the ball that made him so great. Probably that.

[TheBrassHole]

@shad0h027 DW was great, but Salvino was the man before DW. DW was NO Salvino.

[baseballeddie1177]

I wonder if this was Weber's final tv stepladder final ? Anyone out there know ? Also , so often Weber's timing and follow thru seem off, its amazing he could average 230 like that over the years.

[StickTweedles87]

Classic, thanks!!

P.S. Does this pattern look like a house shot?

[syntonik]

Might be a slightly off from the normal house shot, but the old Showboat was always tough, as one lane played way different than the other, with the track being burnt in at about the 12 board on the right lane, the 10-9 boards on the left. Watch how both consistently try to break the ball off of those boards. Get it in, it takes off, let it fly outside of 7, you're washing out or worse. That's why it such a tough center. You're though, this is a class match! :)

[StickTweedles87]

Omg yeah you're right. No wonder the Vespi shot 150 in the 92 showboat, looks like he thought the lanes were the same.

[irishpogi]

Mark Bowers, one of the contestants on that show was told by the lane maintenance crew to "expect something different" for the TV matches. As you can see the scores on the show were much lower than what the bowlers recorded during the rest of the tournament.

[irishpogi]

I think it does a bit. They always placed a softer shot on the Senior tour events than on the regular tour.

[StickTweedles87]

Bowers was the guy that missed the 5 pin in the first frame right?

[irishpogi]

Yes

[joehalstead]

@irishpogi Even the regular tour had basically a crown shot in 1988.... they were using black urethane, after all....I think the tinkering was done more with the length.

[mrtvman]

thx irishpogi