"VETERINARIANS are increasingly citing grains and carbohydrates as PRIMARY causes of health problems common to dogs and cats......the majority of pet food recalls over the past 10 years have been due to contaminated grain products: glutens, corn, wheat & rice."
My two rescued cats love Ami cat. They will choose it over James Wellbeloved, another dried (meat based) cat food. I feel they are healthier on Ami. Their pooh smells nice and it has cleared their fur balls. Clearly this food has a positive effect on the environment, reduces the suffering of animals in the meat industry and is healthier for humans to use and cats to eat.
@RawCookieMonster why are you smelling your cats shit? Why the fuck are you raw vegans so obsessed with feces? Do you force enemas on your cats as well? Also, furballs have nothing to do with a cats diet.........they get furballs because they clean themselves so much.
How does even incredibly basic knowlage of animals, and indeed the world, escape you people?
Natures Recipe makes a veg formula, good price, healthy and you can find it locally at Pet Smart. Keep it on the shelves for others, support it locally. I know V-Dog and Wysong have some online.
I know that that they are omnivores but can be healthy as herbs. If a animal cannot be veg (ie: snake) they should not be a pet and hunt naturally and nicer than factory farmed leftover crap.
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Are there no laws against animal cruelty in this place?
If these people feel the need for an animal companion, why don't they just get a cow, a goat or some rabbits? It almost seems like their sole intent is to make the lives of those, who follow their instincts and enjoy their food, miserable.
Having to talk to vegans is almost like talking to the taliban ... :
I took my cat to the vet today, and she was AMAZED how healthy he's gotten in such a short period. not only can he walk now, he can jump! he can also raise his voice, take a loo (alot), his hair isn't dry any more, gained his weight back. I am so happy to see him like this again, I wish I would have started earlier. I really hate ppl commenting without even trying the stuff. it is probably healthier than normal cat food out there. Thank you so much AMI!! keep up the good work
@spacetraveller2521 well since cats cant really take any real nutrients from plants, it puts them in danger of being overweight, and from diabetes. Maybe your cat is just getting fat.
He had a stroke 2 months ago, and my doctor said he won't be with us for long.
I tried alot of cat foods, kidney care, ect (I'm vegan but I fed my cat normal food)
Anyways, the number of nutrients of Ami looked great for kidney care so I gave it a try. At first, I was worried because I see alot of comments saying that its unhealthy and unnatural.
@JessyUV Only an idiot would feed their cat vegan food. So you must be an idiot. And I don't tend to listen to idiots. Oh and BTW, all human beings are animals, so at least you got that part right.. :)
@anxresi Just like a human, there is no reason that a cat requires meat; they just needed synthesized vitamin A and taurine. All that beast feces you eat seems to have deteriorated your mind. :-P
@JessyUV Sorry, still sounding idiotic to me. Why should we try to change an animals basic nature just to suit your politically correct driven mentality? Any pets fed on your idea of a diet would complain if they speak English, and it sounds to me like you should be banned from keeping animals due to you putting your silly principles above their health. As for all that nonsense about anyone eating meat imbibing fecal matter,that sound like another lie spread by the fanatical Animal Rights Lobby.
@anxresi An animal's basic nature is to eat food out of a bag? What exactly are you proposing to feed them, hamster colonies? Dietary requirements are not "silly principles"; why don't you go do some research on non-Amì cat food and urinary tract infections? Animals are fed manure, and you eat them. That makes you a human centipede! :-D
@JessyUV sorry friend, but cat's can't live on non meat sources....if so their bodies basically get overloaded with food they cannot digest ...grains. So they get overloaded with roughage. .....AND......
The grains can cause diabetes because their insulin goes out of wack TRYING to digest these grains.
Yeah, you can give them the vitamin A and taurine, and vegetables are good too , but watch it with the grains. Corn ( Ami cat food) is toxic to cats....google it
@Eston83 "Can't live on" isn't accurate; there is no practically-priced solution for a cat without a supply of wild animals, to eat. Every person and pet takes its chances with the world of modern nutrition. All the essential nutrients are there, in this food. If the cat's body can't deal with it, then the cat isn't cut out for a long life in a modern household. There's nothing wrong with that; it's a limitation of current technology, that feeding ourselves perfectly isn't possible.
Conventional cat food like Ami and the supermarket cat food uses corn which is a carb. These high carb diets assault the sugar-controlling functions of the liver and the pancreas, causing obesity, diabetes, and predisposing the cat to hepatic lipidosis (liver function impairment). Liver disease is linked to the carbohydrate-rich commercial dry foods.
Corn is highly subject to aflatoxin fungus. Aflatoxin is a deadly fungus common on legumes, corn, and other grains.
@Eston83 Sorry about the graham; don't know how I did that. :-P
Corn gluten is cheap and so is wheat gluten; doesn't mean it isn't an awesome protein source. I eat a lot of the latter and some of the former, and I keep making gains in the gym.
I wet the food before I give it to him. Not too hard.
Provide studies that show problems specific to corn gluten. I agree on the whole corn not being necessary for a house cat. Stop being an idiot about this "proving" though.
@JessyUV Ok, the only one being an idiot is you feeding your cat this processed crap.
You want specifics? I've been specific enough. Either you have reading comprehension problems or you're being selective in your reading. So scroll down and read again.
Use Google and read about the dangers of glycoproteins like corn gluten in pet food. If you're still stubborn enough to feed Ami to your cat, at least check his urine's PH so you can hopefully prevent a UTI, which is fatal in male cats.
@Eston83 If you can't provide actual scientific articles, we'll all have to assume they don't exist, considering how militant you are about this. All I find is that animals are a more bioavailable protein source than plants. That's nothing new. It just means you have to eat more.
@JessyUV scientific articles? there is plenty of information about felines out there. We know pretty much all there is to know about them. Cats simply do not have a digestive system that is able to utilize nutrients from plants. I could go into detail about herbivorous and carnivorours digestive systems, but unfortunatly youtube comments are not long enough to really let me do this. However, its not hard to find out this information for yourself? The internet gives us no excuse for ignorance.
I tried to feed my dear companions on a vegan diet - but after the dog got tuberculosis and the cat developed a bad case of diabetes, I had no other choice but to put them down with a sledgehammer ... RIP Grover, RIP Snuggles ... :(
I respect a vegan not wanting to have meat in their house, but if this is so they should not keep cats. They are out and out hunters of meat, and have evolved an almost exclusively meat based dietary dependence.
To feed them on processed and artificial muck is animal abuse. If you have a problem with this, get a rabbit instead. They eat lettuce.
@beerathon Humans didn't evolve on much of the food they eat today, and they're doing better now that ever. Same with cats. There is no store-bought pet food that isn't "processed and artificial muck". Tell me, how many cats do you know that actually hunt all their food?
And screw lettuce. I hate vegetables. I eat a ton of soy and wheat gluten, a load of artificial vitamins and minerals, and some flax, and I do just fine, thanks.
@JessyUV You seem to be advocating that artificial processed food is the way forward, which defies all nutritional opinion I've ever heard, either veggie or non-veggie. BTW The 3 cats at my in-laws' farm do hunt all their food, and my own cat (RIP) was perfectly capable feeding himself, but we fed him (fresh not tinned too) because we loved him.
@beerathon It doesn't matter. Sure, it's easier to absorb nutrients from whole foods, but anything's body can deal with it when you pummel it with enough of the right molecules. Problem is, whole food is generally disgusting and not suitable for a life that any sane person can enjoy. What's the point in any potential longer life, if you were eating caveman-style meals the whole time? Also, the only people who could deal with farm animals are insane, so I understand your position better now. :-P
@JessyUV I assume you mean meat when you say 'whole foods', but I'm afraid your argument makes NO SENSE AT ALL regarding the point I'm making that carnivorous animals need to eat meat. I'm not talking about humans. Oh, and my in-laws' farm is a crop farm not an animal farm :)
@beerathon I mean meat and otherwise. For example, there's no need to eat protein. It's just cheaper to eat plant protein than it is to buy a collection of amino acids. Cats need a bunch of amino acids, omega-3 and -6 fatty acids, vitamins, minerals, water, and salt, just like the rest of us. They just have a handful of extra needs, like preformed vitamin A, taurine, and arachidonic acid, which humans don't. Amì has all this junk covered. There is no creature that needs meat, or even "food".
@JessyUV ok, I have just come to the conclusion that you think you are really grown up, but in reality you have the mental age a particularly stupid 10 year old.
My cat and dog have both been thriving on a vegan diet for well over a year; I was hesitant and transtitioned my cat gradually to vegan food.
Both get supplements, including vitamin C to keep their urine acid. If feeding them as vegans were truly unhealthy, I certainly wouldn't do it, but considering that livestock production is now shown to be a leading cause of climate change, I consider it an important step in reducing my pets' carbon footprint.
Since this is not the case, then obviously, there are some serious flaws in your theories. You can talk the common lingo that any veterinarian who is uneducated in a meatless diet for cats will spout, but it doesn't change what real-world experience dictates.
I didn't say "cannot go vegetarian/vegan" What I said was they can 'survive', however they will not THRIVE. Big difference. In 'my' world (your world too BTW) many WILL die of complications, not necessarily in a real short span of time, but certainly less then their NATURAL lifespan, which was the whole point. Basically what YOUR "real-world experience dictates" is that cats only live a fraction of their natural lifespan. Sorry, I like my "real world" a whole lot better, so do the cats
FYI..a cat can seem to have no apparent health problem for years because what all cat people know (or should know) is that they hide illness from us very well....and these health problems usually only surface when they are so far advanced it is too late to do anything about them.
If a cat has no irreversible damage caused by an inadequate diet not fit for a carnivore, it can recover from almost any health issue to live a long healthy life after changing back to it's natural diet. I've seen proof of it time and time again
One such 16 year old cat was diagnosed with diabetes....due to being fed a diet of corn gluten meal (inferior plant protein) whole or cracked corn, wheat middlings and other grains/plants in 'pet' food. I was certain he was beyond hope, but started him on a meat ONLY diet (with proper mineral ratios). That cat rebounded within 2 months to great health and lived 4 more years. He was 20 when he died
Cats are obligate carnivores & dont have enzymes required for the digestion of vegetable matter Domesticated cats fed a diet containing vegetables/grains suffer a myriad of health conditions that started to surface in cats only after we started to feed them as vegans. They have NO nutritional requirement for vegetable matter. NONE. I am a vegetarian, my cats are carnivores. Let them stay that way. You cannot change the nature of the beast without long term consequences/compromising their health.
Yep, this is why I've got two cats, one 11 and one 15, who have been life-long vegans and never had any health concerns.
People, educate yourselves beyond the crap that you're going to get from those who don't know any better. You can remain ignorant and insist that cats can't be meat-free based on untruths like the person above stated, or you can learn the facts for yourself. Either way, I've seen it happen, I know others who have meat-free cats, so it's fully possible.
Humans are herbivores/Cats are OBLIGATE carnivores/Essentially that makes them 'more then' carnivore/You are vegan/You would not want someone forcing you to eat meat, but it is ok for you to force an obligate carnivore to eat vegan? Your cats are 11 and 15??? Oh my, and you think that is a long life? If you HAD done your research, you would know the natural life span of a cat (and dog) is 24-30 years. Cats fed their NATURAL PREY, or AS CLOSE TO IT as possible, live their natural life span.
Proteins from animal tissues have a complete amino acid profile. Plant-based proteins do not contain critical amino acids an obligate carnivore requires. Arrogant man thinks he can take plant protein and 'add' the missing elements. Man screwed that up once already when he didn't add Taurine to dry 'plant-based' kibble. Cats went blind and some died. Do you honestly think man knows every single nutritional element a cat needs in order to formulate a complete 'as good as natural' diet? Hardly
Most other animals use protein for growth and body maintenance but the cat needs it for some organs to function properly like the liver. Cats need nutrients made by the metabolic processes of other animals which are NOT found in plant material, such as vitamin A. Unlike us they CANNOT convert the carotenes in fruit and vegetables into vitamin A. Protein derived from plant matter is not easily digested by a cat and it does not assimulate plant derived protein as well as animal protein.
So your cats are life-long vegans and never had any health concerns?? If your cats do not live to 24 years or older....that in itself is a 'health concern'. The fact the average life span of a cat these days is 15-18 years is a health concern. The fact cats now get Diabetes, Kidney Disease, Bladder & Kidney Stones, IBD, Hepatic Lipidosis and become Obese are health concerns. These are diseases faiirly new to our 'pets' ever since the pet food companies began using cheaper plant proteins.
If they have ANY tartar or plaque on their teeth at all it's a health concern. Domesticated and wild cats eating raw meat do NOT develop dental disease. Their teeth are as white and pristine as their first teeth.
Cats do NOT need to consume the high level of carbohydrates found in dry plant based kibble. In nature their diet consists of 3 percent carbs (in the stomach of their prey and is ALREADY DIGESTED FOR THEM). Dry cat food has 35-50 percent carbohydrates which cats cannot completely utilize because they CANNOT produce a salivary enzyme called amylase. They DO NOT have ANY nutritional requirement for carbs whatever. The cat is an obligate carnivore.
Man cannot second guess nature, no matter how hard he tries. Cat should be fed a NATURAL diet. Sure cats can 'survive' on plant-based diet, but that is FAR from THRIVING, which it would do if it were fed it's NATURAL, BORN AN OBLIGATE CARNIVORE diet. I would rather have my cats THRIVE their NATURAL 24-30 yr life span, then merely 'survive' 15-18 yrs on an unnatural diet of plant based food. If you feed an obligate carnivore anything less then a NATURAL diet, you do a diservice to your cat.
I've been exposed to 50+ cats for the long term in my life, and I can say, none of them have reached 24+ years old. If you have the secret to helping felines achieve that rate of lifespan for ALL cats, then share the secret, as I'm sure everyone would love to hear it.
If a cat is an obligate carnivore and cannot go vegetarian/vegan, then in your world, they'll die of complications within a short span of chaning to a vegan diet.
Humans are herbivores...just because humans have eaten both meat and plants doesn't make them omnivores....just as feeding cows ground up bovine (which they have done before mad cow) doesn't make cows omnivores or carnivores.
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats why dont you go do some research on human digestive anatomy and compare it to the anatomy of herbivorous animals like goats, cows or horses, the evolution of man and history of the genus "homo"
I have worked with animal nutritionists for years and many of the cats I have rescued have all had some kind of health issue because of the previous 'owner's' ignorance concerning the natural diet of a cat. Some I took were virtually on deaths doorstep, could barely walk far without having to lie down and rest or had major organs in the beginning stages of failure
Then along comes the pet food industry who, as we have already witnessed, knows nothing about true animal nutrition. They use corn gluten or wheat gluten as a protein source because it is CHEAP. (It is always about money) They take out one thing, add something else, or do not add vital nutrients at all because they simply have no clue. A cat can eat high quality animal protein and will not get renal failure as long as it is getting the correct calcium to phosphorus ratio
The problem does not lie in the amount of phosphorus in the animal tissue a cat eats. However, it has everything to do with the ratio of calcium to phosphorus. Any animal nutritionist worth their salt will tell you anytime there is an imbalance of minerals or other nutrients in an animals body, health issues arise. In nature, the cat eats it's prey....calcium-laden bones and all. It gets the right calcium/phosphorus ratio in it's NATURAL diet as mother nature intended.
The farther you remove an animal (or human for that matter) away from it's NATURAL diet, the more health problems erupt, and life spans are shortened. That is an undeniable irrefutable fact. I do not work with veterinarians...most know zero about animal NUTRITION. Take the high rate of renal failure in the past 60 years for instance. If a cat has any stage of renal failure, a vet will put it on a low protein/low phosphorus diet. (always corn/plant based)
That's sad none of the 50+ cats in your lifetime so far have lived to 20 years old. Most likely because none of them were on a meat ONLY diet. I have rescued and rehomed 100's of cats since 1970 and many of them lived at least that long, some longer. I already told the 'secret' to cats living their 'natural' lifespan, it is eating their 'natural' carnivore diet. I am sure you have heard the saying "you are what you eat".
I am quite disturbed really at feeding vegan food to cats, the main reason being cats are obligate carnivores. Surely, this has been taken into consideration in the production of this food. However, imposing our own believes and philosophy on cats are dangerous, if not done properly. Nutrition deficiency can lead to a host of health problems and I am not sure what chemically manufactured and plant protein will do to the feline system in the long haul.
I live in the United States and I used a vegan cat food and a vegan dog food for my companions.
This looks like a good company. I wish I had their food when my companions were alive. My companions all lived long lives. BTW, to those would would feed their cats vegan make sure to get a formula food like this that will have all the important ingredients cats must have. They need things like taurine to stay healthy.
@won009 well of coures they would say that. Its all part of the marketing spin. Which is pretty much "Ooooh, look you can be a total dick while pretending to be morally superior when feeding your cats too!"
They have to sell their product, and they arnt going to do that if they just tell the truth, which is, cats are obligate carnivores and are unable to derive any real nutritional benefit from plants.
If you really think this stuff is healthy for cats, then you look at more non-partisan info.
@TheVeganHere Hi, my friend. Congrats for feeding your pets veggie food. I was quite pleasantly surprised to found there was such. You really are devoted to the vegan idea! Thank you! Wish you all the best!
@TheVeganHere If you have and love cats, dont abuse them by forcing bullshit vegan dogma onto them. Cats need meat, and if you are unwilling to provide this, then you simply shouldnt own a cat.
@JustSiouxMe Cats are true carnivores but don't NEED meat. They can live longer lives by eating a well planned vegan diet than they would eating the average meat diet. If you think it's not natural for cats to eat vegan, well you are right. It's also not natural for cats to live indoors. It's also not natural for cats to not catch their food themselves and rather eat from a bag or can. Cats in the wild would never eat cows, chickens or turkeys. They would eat rodents.
Cats REQUIRE meat for optimal health. If they can't catch their own food, the next best thing is a raw meat diet, (and if that is not possible) then an all meat canned diet. Cats...(and dogs too BTW who are descendants of the Grey Wolf...a CARNIVORE)...did not evolve to eat grain...the cat has remained the EXACT same as it's obligate carnivore ancestors.
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats They have discovered that cats on kibble or food containing grains often develop a myriad of health issues and have shorter life spans. They suffer from diabetes, allergies, fatty liver disease, obesity, kidney disease, dental issues, cystitis and other health problems. ALL of these disease where NEVER heard of in animals....cats AND dogs....BEFORE dry food containing cheap forms of protein derived from grains became available.
@TheVeganHere ...ummm...yes they DO NEED meat....what do you think OBLIGATE carnivore means?????????????? It is in their genetic make-up which has remained UNCHANGED for eons. THAT is something you CAN'T change and can It hardly be compared to a cat living indoors. Cats were NEVER omnivores, vegetarians, herbivores, or vegans and NEVER WILL be. They remain OBLIGATE CARNIVORES no matter what you try to feed them.
@uMustBeHigh Wow....apparently you are very immature to be calling names and while I could resort to name-calling and most likely be accurate in your case I won't stoop to your level....I have rescued cats since 1970...i have done extensive research...talked to renowned animal nutritionists and the scientific data does not lie.
@uMustBeHigh If your cat does not live to be 24 yrs. or OLDER and suffers from NO ailments or diseases, and this includes tartar and gum disease...even hairballs....then your cat is not on the proper diet. Too many animals I have rescued were previously fed dry cat food containing grain and ALL of them had some health issue. Once on a raw diet they all RECOVERED and regained OPTIMAL health and lived much older then 19 years.
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats If you have rescued them .. obviously they were left somewhere and they could have been eating bad stuff that they found anywhere.. duhh it's not their food.. and grain based food is bad, if not picked carefully.. I found 5 cats that ate raw meat and they had severe health issues, I gave them some of my cat 's vegan food they recovered and regained optimal, and lived much older too.. lol when she said that her cat is 19 she didnt say that it wouldnt live longer.
@uMustBeHigh You obviously do not grasp the concept of OBLIGATE carnivore....it literally means they REQUIRE protein from raw animal sources and do not even produce the enzyme needed to metabolize carbs because they HAVE NO NEED OR NUTRITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR CARBS WHATSOEVER. Whether or not you feed it vegan..the cat IS and ALWAYS will remain an OBLIGATE carnivore.....every single cat, wild OR domestic - is an obligate carnivore....and no matter what you claim NOTHING can change that FACT.
@uMustBeHigh ..the first true cats lived 30 million years ago and our 'domesticated' felines have not evolved much from the original except in small changes in appearance due to selective breeding by man...domestication does NOT alter the fact they are obligate carnivores one iota!
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CanalTal 3 months ago
"VETERINARIANS are increasingly citing grains and carbohydrates as PRIMARY causes of health problems common to dogs and cats......the majority of pet food recalls over the past 10 years have been due to contaminated grain products: glutens, corn, wheat & rice."
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
My two rescued cats love Ami cat. They will choose it over James Wellbeloved, another dried (meat based) cat food. I feel they are healthier on Ami. Their pooh smells nice and it has cleared their fur balls. Clearly this food has a positive effect on the environment, reduces the suffering of animals in the meat industry and is healthier for humans to use and cats to eat.
RawCookieMonster 11 months ago
@RawCookieMonster why are you smelling your cats shit? Why the fuck are you raw vegans so obsessed with feces? Do you force enemas on your cats as well? Also, furballs have nothing to do with a cats diet.........they get furballs because they clean themselves so much.
How does even incredibly basic knowlage of animals, and indeed the world, escape you people?
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
Natures Recipe makes a veg formula, good price, healthy and you can find it locally at Pet Smart. Keep it on the shelves for others, support it locally. I know V-Dog and Wysong have some online.
I know that that they are omnivores but can be healthy as herbs. If a animal cannot be veg (ie: snake) they should not be a pet and hunt naturally and nicer than factory farmed leftover crap.
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VeganMotorcyclePilot 1 year ago
@VeganMotorcyclePilot Not one animal in the genus felidea has EVER been an omnivore.
Primates on the other hand.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
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Are there no laws against animal cruelty in this place?
If these people feel the need for an animal companion, why don't they just get a cow, a goat or some rabbits? It almost seems like their sole intent is to make the lives of those, who follow their instincts and enjoy their food, miserable.
Having to talk to vegans is almost like talking to the taliban ... :
JustWaIkAway 1 year ago
You are a classic example of someone in denial.
Eston83 1 year ago
Anybody reading this if you love your cat don't feed them this shit.
Eston83 1 year ago
You are very welcome :)
won009 1 year ago
I took my cat to the vet today, and she was AMAZED how healthy he's gotten in such a short period. not only can he walk now, he can jump! he can also raise his voice, take a loo (alot), his hair isn't dry any more, gained his weight back. I am so happy to see him like this again, I wish I would have started earlier. I really hate ppl commenting without even trying the stuff. it is probably healthier than normal cat food out there. Thank you so much AMI!! keep up the good work
love from Japan
spacetraveller2521 1 year ago
@spacetraveller2521 well since cats cant really take any real nutrients from plants, it puts them in danger of being overweight, and from diabetes. Maybe your cat is just getting fat.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
my cat is 18 and has kidney and stone problems.
He had a stroke 2 months ago, and my doctor said he won't be with us for long.
I tried alot of cat foods, kidney care, ect (I'm vegan but I fed my cat normal food)
Anyways, the number of nutrients of Ami looked great for kidney care so I gave it a try. At first, I was worried because I see alot of comments saying that its unhealthy and unnatural.
spacetraveller2521 1 year ago
Vegan Cat food =FAIL. It should be banned, the same way declawing is in most of the world. It's a form of animal abuse.
anxresi 1 year ago
@anxresi Not educating yourself is animal abuse. You are the animal.
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV Only an idiot would feed their cat vegan food. So you must be an idiot. And I don't tend to listen to idiots. Oh and BTW, all human beings are animals, so at least you got that part right.. :)
anxresi 1 year ago
@anxresi Just like a human, there is no reason that a cat requires meat; they just needed synthesized vitamin A and taurine. All that beast feces you eat seems to have deteriorated your mind. :-P
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV Sorry, still sounding idiotic to me. Why should we try to change an animals basic nature just to suit your politically correct driven mentality? Any pets fed on your idea of a diet would complain if they speak English, and it sounds to me like you should be banned from keeping animals due to you putting your silly principles above their health. As for all that nonsense about anyone eating meat imbibing fecal matter,that sound like another lie spread by the fanatical Animal Rights Lobby.
anxresi 1 year ago
@anxresi Oh I forgot to add: Bye Idiot :P. I look forward to having a civil and cultured debate on one of the hot button issues of the day ;)
anxresi 1 year ago
@anxresi An animal's basic nature is to eat food out of a bag? What exactly are you proposing to feed them, hamster colonies? Dietary requirements are not "silly principles"; why don't you go do some research on non-Amì cat food and urinary tract infections? Animals are fed manure, and you eat them. That makes you a human centipede! :-D
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV, Um? Manure? Oh yeah! its basically shit that they put on plants, because it has nutrients in it that helps the plants to grow.
That kind of pokes a few holes in you're moronic little statement doesnt it.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
@JessyUV sorry friend, but cat's can't live on non meat sources....if so their bodies basically get overloaded with food they cannot digest ...grains. So they get overloaded with roughage. .....AND......
The grains can cause diabetes because their insulin goes out of wack TRYING to digest these grains.
Yeah, you can give them the vitamin A and taurine, and vegetables are good too , but watch it with the grains. Corn ( Ami cat food) is toxic to cats....google it
Eston83 1 year ago
@Eston83 "Can't live on" isn't accurate; there is no practically-priced solution for a cat without a supply of wild animals, to eat. Every person and pet takes its chances with the world of modern nutrition. All the essential nutrients are there, in this food. If the cat's body can't deal with it, then the cat isn't cut out for a long life in a modern household. There's nothing wrong with that; it's a limitation of current technology, that feeding ourselves perfectly isn't possible.
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV Wake up!
Conventional cat food like Ami and the supermarket cat food uses corn which is a carb. These high carb diets assault the sugar-controlling functions of the liver and the pancreas, causing obesity, diabetes, and predisposing the cat to hepatic lipidosis (liver function impairment). Liver disease is linked to the carbohydrate-rich commercial dry foods.
Corn is highly subject to aflatoxin fungus. Aflatoxin is a deadly fungus common on legumes, corn, and other grains.
Eston83 1 year ago
@Eston83 "Which is a carb" doesn't mean anything. Check the first ingredient of the product.
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV yes check the first ingredient ....
Corn IS the first ingredient in Ami cat food which causes cat related illness.
Duh, you walked right into that one....but thanks for proving yourself wrong.
Eston83 1 year ago
@Eston83 Please read again. Corn is the second ingredient. What you're saying is that eating seitan is the same as eating a gram cracker.
Duh...but thanks for proving yourself wrong. ;-)
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV What's that you say ..... a gram cracker ? oh you mean graham cracker?
You're still in denial huh?
Corn gluten, a by-product of corn used as a CHEAP FILLER by pet food companies, has the same negative effects as corn itself.
Corn gluten also leads to allergies and all DRY pet foods are linked to urinary tract disorders in cats.
So again, thanks for proving yourself wrong.
Ami cat food is just as bad as all that slaughterhouse supermarket pet food crap.
Eston83 1 year ago
@Eston83 Sorry about the graham; don't know how I did that. :-P
Corn gluten is cheap and so is wheat gluten; doesn't mean it isn't an awesome protein source. I eat a lot of the latter and some of the former, and I keep making gains in the gym.
I wet the food before I give it to him. Not too hard.
Provide studies that show problems specific to corn gluten. I agree on the whole corn not being necessary for a house cat. Stop being an idiot about this "proving" though.
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV Ok, the only one being an idiot is you feeding your cat this processed crap.
You want specifics? I've been specific enough. Either you have reading comprehension problems or you're being selective in your reading. So scroll down and read again.
Use Google and read about the dangers of glycoproteins like corn gluten in pet food. If you're still stubborn enough to feed Ami to your cat, at least check his urine's PH so you can hopefully prevent a UTI, which is fatal in male cats.
Eston83 1 year ago
@Eston83 If you can't provide actual scientific articles, we'll all have to assume they don't exist, considering how militant you are about this. All I find is that animals are a more bioavailable protein source than plants. That's nothing new. It just means you have to eat more.
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV scientific articles? there is plenty of information about felines out there. We know pretty much all there is to know about them. Cats simply do not have a digestive system that is able to utilize nutrients from plants. I could go into detail about herbivorous and carnivorours digestive systems, but unfortunatly youtube comments are not long enough to really let me do this. However, its not hard to find out this information for yourself? The internet gives us no excuse for ignorance.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
@JessyUV actually its been proven that without the dense protien content of meat, humans would have never evolved such large brains.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
I tried to feed my dear companions on a vegan diet - but after the dog got tuberculosis and the cat developed a bad case of diabetes, I had no other choice but to put them down with a sledgehammer ... RIP Grover, RIP Snuggles ... :(
fenriz218 1 year ago
I respect a vegan not wanting to have meat in their house, but if this is so they should not keep cats. They are out and out hunters of meat, and have evolved an almost exclusively meat based dietary dependence.
To feed them on processed and artificial muck is animal abuse. If you have a problem with this, get a rabbit instead. They eat lettuce.
beerathon 1 year ago
@beerathon Humans didn't evolve on much of the food they eat today, and they're doing better now that ever. Same with cats. There is no store-bought pet food that isn't "processed and artificial muck". Tell me, how many cats do you know that actually hunt all their food?
And screw lettuce. I hate vegetables. I eat a ton of soy and wheat gluten, a load of artificial vitamins and minerals, and some flax, and I do just fine, thanks.
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV You seem to be advocating that artificial processed food is the way forward, which defies all nutritional opinion I've ever heard, either veggie or non-veggie. BTW The 3 cats at my in-laws' farm do hunt all their food, and my own cat (RIP) was perfectly capable feeding himself, but we fed him (fresh not tinned too) because we loved him.
beerathon 1 year ago
@beerathon It doesn't matter. Sure, it's easier to absorb nutrients from whole foods, but anything's body can deal with it when you pummel it with enough of the right molecules. Problem is, whole food is generally disgusting and not suitable for a life that any sane person can enjoy. What's the point in any potential longer life, if you were eating caveman-style meals the whole time? Also, the only people who could deal with farm animals are insane, so I understand your position better now. :-P
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV I assume you mean meat when you say 'whole foods', but I'm afraid your argument makes NO SENSE AT ALL regarding the point I'm making that carnivorous animals need to eat meat. I'm not talking about humans. Oh, and my in-laws' farm is a crop farm not an animal farm :)
beerathon 1 year ago
@beerathon I mean meat and otherwise. For example, there's no need to eat protein. It's just cheaper to eat plant protein than it is to buy a collection of amino acids. Cats need a bunch of amino acids, omega-3 and -6 fatty acids, vitamins, minerals, water, and salt, just like the rest of us. They just have a handful of extra needs, like preformed vitamin A, taurine, and arachidonic acid, which humans don't. Amì has all this junk covered. There is no creature that needs meat, or even "food".
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV ok, I have just come to the conclusion that you think you are really grown up, but in reality you have the mental age a particularly stupid 10 year old.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
@beerathon And congrats to your in-laws, then! :-D
I'm not vegan but I have no use for horrible farm animals. ::shudder and vomit:: :-O
JessyUV 1 year ago
@JessyUV yes you do, you live in western society, why dont you go and look up the plethora of things we wouldnt have if it wernt for animal products.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
@JessyUV soy is actually really bad for you.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
Respond to this video...but that sounds like the diet of someone with quite severe eating disorder.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
My cat and dog have both been thriving on a vegan diet for well over a year; I was hesitant and transtitioned my cat gradually to vegan food.
Both get supplements, including vitamin C to keep their urine acid. If feeding them as vegans were truly unhealthy, I certainly wouldn't do it, but considering that livestock production is now shown to be a leading cause of climate change, I consider it an important step in reducing my pets' carbon footprint.
franklanguage 2 years ago
Please come to Brazil!
dwsuporte 2 years ago
Since this is not the case, then obviously, there are some serious flaws in your theories. You can talk the common lingo that any veterinarian who is uneducated in a meatless diet for cats will spout, but it doesn't change what real-world experience dictates.
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iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
I didn't say "cannot go vegetarian/vegan" What I said was they can 'survive', however they will not THRIVE. Big difference. In 'my' world (your world too BTW) many WILL die of complications, not necessarily in a real short span of time, but certainly less then their NATURAL lifespan, which was the whole point. Basically what YOUR "real-world experience dictates" is that cats only live a fraction of their natural lifespan. Sorry, I like my "real world" a whole lot better, so do the cats
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
FYI..a cat can seem to have no apparent health problem for years because what all cat people know (or should know) is that they hide illness from us very well....and these health problems usually only surface when they are so far advanced it is too late to do anything about them.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
If a cat has no irreversible damage caused by an inadequate diet not fit for a carnivore, it can recover from almost any health issue to live a long healthy life after changing back to it's natural diet. I've seen proof of it time and time again
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
One such 16 year old cat was diagnosed with diabetes....due to being fed a diet of corn gluten meal (inferior plant protein) whole or cracked corn, wheat middlings and other grains/plants in 'pet' food. I was certain he was beyond hope, but started him on a meat ONLY diet (with proper mineral ratios). That cat rebounded within 2 months to great health and lived 4 more years. He was 20 when he died
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
Cats are obligate carnivores & dont have enzymes required for the digestion of vegetable matter Domesticated cats fed a diet containing vegetables/grains suffer a myriad of health conditions that started to surface in cats only after we started to feed them as vegans. They have NO nutritional requirement for vegetable matter. NONE. I am a vegetarian, my cats are carnivores. Let them stay that way. You cannot change the nature of the beast without long term consequences/compromising their health.
ilovemy13goats 3 years ago
Yep, this is why I've got two cats, one 11 and one 15, who have been life-long vegans and never had any health concerns.
People, educate yourselves beyond the crap that you're going to get from those who don't know any better. You can remain ignorant and insist that cats can't be meat-free based on untruths like the person above stated, or you can learn the facts for yourself. Either way, I've seen it happen, I know others who have meat-free cats, so it's fully possible.
FatVegLifter 2 years ago
Humans are herbivores/Cats are OBLIGATE carnivores/Essentially that makes them 'more then' carnivore/You are vegan/You would not want someone forcing you to eat meat, but it is ok for you to force an obligate carnivore to eat vegan? Your cats are 11 and 15??? Oh my, and you think that is a long life? If you HAD done your research, you would know the natural life span of a cat (and dog) is 24-30 years. Cats fed their NATURAL PREY, or AS CLOSE TO IT as possible, live their natural life span.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
Proteins from animal tissues have a complete amino acid profile. Plant-based proteins do not contain critical amino acids an obligate carnivore requires. Arrogant man thinks he can take plant protein and 'add' the missing elements. Man screwed that up once already when he didn't add Taurine to dry 'plant-based' kibble. Cats went blind and some died. Do you honestly think man knows every single nutritional element a cat needs in order to formulate a complete 'as good as natural' diet? Hardly
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
Most other animals use protein for growth and body maintenance but the cat needs it for some organs to function properly like the liver. Cats need nutrients made by the metabolic processes of other animals which are NOT found in plant material, such as vitamin A. Unlike us they CANNOT convert the carotenes in fruit and vegetables into vitamin A. Protein derived from plant matter is not easily digested by a cat and it does not assimulate plant derived protein as well as animal protein.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
So your cats are life-long vegans and never had any health concerns?? If your cats do not live to 24 years or older....that in itself is a 'health concern'. The fact the average life span of a cat these days is 15-18 years is a health concern. The fact cats now get Diabetes, Kidney Disease, Bladder & Kidney Stones, IBD, Hepatic Lipidosis and become Obese are health concerns. These are diseases faiirly new to our 'pets' ever since the pet food companies began using cheaper plant proteins.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
If they have ANY tartar or plaque on their teeth at all it's a health concern. Domesticated and wild cats eating raw meat do NOT develop dental disease. Their teeth are as white and pristine as their first teeth.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
Cats do NOT need to consume the high level of carbohydrates found in dry plant based kibble. In nature their diet consists of 3 percent carbs (in the stomach of their prey and is ALREADY DIGESTED FOR THEM). Dry cat food has 35-50 percent carbohydrates which cats cannot completely utilize because they CANNOT produce a salivary enzyme called amylase. They DO NOT have ANY nutritional requirement for carbs whatever. The cat is an obligate carnivore.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
Man cannot second guess nature, no matter how hard he tries. Cat should be fed a NATURAL diet. Sure cats can 'survive' on plant-based diet, but that is FAR from THRIVING, which it would do if it were fed it's NATURAL, BORN AN OBLIGATE CARNIVORE diet. I would rather have my cats THRIVE their NATURAL 24-30 yr life span, then merely 'survive' 15-18 yrs on an unnatural diet of plant based food. If you feed an obligate carnivore anything less then a NATURAL diet, you do a diservice to your cat.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
You're a bit fired up about this, aren't you?
I've been exposed to 50+ cats for the long term in my life, and I can say, none of them have reached 24+ years old. If you have the secret to helping felines achieve that rate of lifespan for ALL cats, then share the secret, as I'm sure everyone would love to hear it.
If a cat is an obligate carnivore and cannot go vegetarian/vegan, then in your world, they'll die of complications within a short span of chaning to a vegan diet.
FatVegLifter 2 years ago
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats humans are omnivores.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
Humans are herbivores...just because humans have eaten both meat and plants doesn't make them omnivores....just as feeding cows ground up bovine (which they have done before mad cow) doesn't make cows omnivores or carnivores.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats why dont you go do some research on human digestive anatomy and compare it to the anatomy of herbivorous animals like goats, cows or horses, the evolution of man and history of the genus "homo"
JustSiouxMe 8 months ago
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats Well we agree on this point you putz! :-)
uMustBeHigh 8 months ago
I have worked with animal nutritionists for years and many of the cats I have rescued have all had some kind of health issue because of the previous 'owner's' ignorance concerning the natural diet of a cat. Some I took were virtually on deaths doorstep, could barely walk far without having to lie down and rest or had major organs in the beginning stages of failure
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
Then along comes the pet food industry who, as we have already witnessed, knows nothing about true animal nutrition. They use corn gluten or wheat gluten as a protein source because it is CHEAP. (It is always about money) They take out one thing, add something else, or do not add vital nutrients at all because they simply have no clue. A cat can eat high quality animal protein and will not get renal failure as long as it is getting the correct calcium to phosphorus ratio
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
The problem does not lie in the amount of phosphorus in the animal tissue a cat eats. However, it has everything to do with the ratio of calcium to phosphorus. Any animal nutritionist worth their salt will tell you anytime there is an imbalance of minerals or other nutrients in an animals body, health issues arise. In nature, the cat eats it's prey....calcium-laden bones and all. It gets the right calcium/phosphorus ratio in it's NATURAL diet as mother nature intended.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
The farther you remove an animal (or human for that matter) away from it's NATURAL diet, the more health problems erupt, and life spans are shortened. That is an undeniable irrefutable fact. I do not work with veterinarians...most know zero about animal NUTRITION. Take the high rate of renal failure in the past 60 years for instance. If a cat has any stage of renal failure, a vet will put it on a low protein/low phosphorus diet. (always corn/plant based)
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
That's sad none of the 50+ cats in your lifetime so far have lived to 20 years old. Most likely because none of them were on a meat ONLY diet. I have rescued and rehomed 100's of cats since 1970 and many of them lived at least that long, some longer. I already told the 'secret' to cats living their 'natural' lifespan, it is eating their 'natural' carnivore diet. I am sure you have heard the saying "you are what you eat".
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 2 years ago
I am quite disturbed really at feeding vegan food to cats, the main reason being cats are obligate carnivores. Surely, this has been taken into consideration in the production of this food. However, imposing our own believes and philosophy on cats are dangerous, if not done properly. Nutrition deficiency can lead to a host of health problems and I am not sure what chemically manufactured and plant protein will do to the feline system in the long haul.
aubonchocolate 3 years ago
I live in the United States and I used a vegan cat food and a vegan dog food for my companions.
This looks like a good company. I wish I had their food when my companions were alive. My companions all lived long lives. BTW, to those would would feed their cats vegan make sure to get a formula food like this that will have all the important ingredients cats must have. They need things like taurine to stay healthy.
Cat foods like this one will contain it.
TheVeganHere 3 years ago 2
yes their feed had everything dog and cat need I have been Interview them
won009 3 years ago
@won009 well of coures they would say that. Its all part of the marketing spin. Which is pretty much "Ooooh, look you can be a total dick while pretending to be morally superior when feeding your cats too!"
They have to sell their product, and they arnt going to do that if they just tell the truth, which is, cats are obligate carnivores and are unable to derive any real nutritional benefit from plants.
If you really think this stuff is healthy for cats, then you look at more non-partisan info.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
@TheVeganHere Hi, my friend. Congrats for feeding your pets veggie food. I was quite pleasantly surprised to found there was such. You really are devoted to the vegan idea! Thank you! Wish you all the best!
mmyylleenn 1 year ago
@TheVeganHere If you have and love cats, dont abuse them by forcing bullshit vegan dogma onto them. Cats need meat, and if you are unwilling to provide this, then you simply shouldnt own a cat.
JustSiouxMe 9 months ago
@JustSiouxMe Cats are true carnivores but don't NEED meat. They can live longer lives by eating a well planned vegan diet than they would eating the average meat diet. If you think it's not natural for cats to eat vegan, well you are right. It's also not natural for cats to live indoors. It's also not natural for cats to not catch their food themselves and rather eat from a bag or can. Cats in the wild would never eat cows, chickens or turkeys. They would eat rodents.
TheVeganHere 8 months ago
Cats REQUIRE meat for optimal health. If they can't catch their own food, the next best thing is a raw meat diet, (and if that is not possible) then an all meat canned diet. Cats...(and dogs too BTW who are descendants of the Grey Wolf...a CARNIVORE)...did not evolve to eat grain...the cat has remained the EXACT same as it's obligate carnivore ancestors.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats They have discovered that cats on kibble or food containing grains often develop a myriad of health issues and have shorter life spans. They suffer from diabetes, allergies, fatty liver disease, obesity, kidney disease, dental issues, cystitis and other health problems. ALL of these disease where NEVER heard of in animals....cats AND dogs....BEFORE dry food containing cheap forms of protein derived from grains became available.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
@TheVeganHere ...ummm...yes they DO NEED meat....what do you think OBLIGATE carnivore means?????????????? It is in their genetic make-up which has remained UNCHANGED for eons. THAT is something you CAN'T change and can It hardly be compared to a cat living indoors. Cats were NEVER omnivores, vegetarians, herbivores, or vegans and NEVER WILL be. They remain OBLIGATE CARNIVORES no matter what you try to feed them.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats No they don't NEED meat. My cat has been vegan since I got her 10 years ago.
She is now 19 with a great coat. Meat is natural for them in the wild but this is a domesticated animal. Don't be such a dogmatic imbecile!!!
uMustBeHigh 8 months ago 9
@uMustBeHigh Wow....apparently you are very immature to be calling names and while I could resort to name-calling and most likely be accurate in your case I won't stoop to your level....I have rescued cats since 1970...i have done extensive research...talked to renowned animal nutritionists and the scientific data does not lie.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
@uMustBeHigh If your cat does not live to be 24 yrs. or OLDER and suffers from NO ailments or diseases, and this includes tartar and gum disease...even hairballs....then your cat is not on the proper diet. Too many animals I have rescued were previously fed dry cat food containing grain and ALL of them had some health issue. Once on a raw diet they all RECOVERED and regained OPTIMAL health and lived much older then 19 years.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
@iLoveMyPygmyGoats If you have rescued them .. obviously they were left somewhere and they could have been eating bad stuff that they found anywhere.. duhh it's not their food.. and grain based food is bad, if not picked carefully.. I found 5 cats that ate raw meat and they had severe health issues, I gave them some of my cat 's vegan food they recovered and regained optimal, and lived much older too.. lol when she said that her cat is 19 she didnt say that it wouldnt live longer.
MissRenesmeePretty 5 days ago
@uMustBeHigh You obviously do not grasp the concept of OBLIGATE carnivore....it literally means they REQUIRE protein from raw animal sources and do not even produce the enzyme needed to metabolize carbs because they HAVE NO NEED OR NUTRITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR CARBS WHATSOEVER. Whether or not you feed it vegan..the cat IS and ALWAYS will remain an OBLIGATE carnivore.....every single cat, wild OR domestic - is an obligate carnivore....and no matter what you claim NOTHING can change that FACT.
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
@uMustBeHigh ..the first true cats lived 30 million years ago and our 'domesticated' felines have not evolved much from the original except in small changes in appearance due to selective breeding by man...domestication does NOT alter the fact they are obligate carnivores one iota!
iLoveMyPygmyGoats 8 months ago
@uMustBeHigh Yeah, they need the chemicals that meat contains. They can get it from another source.
TheGzeus 5 months ago
@TheVeganHere no they cant, and anyone who really thinks cats can survive without meat is really just incredibly stupid.
If you dont want to feed your cats meat, give them to someone who will actually look after them.
JustSiouxMe 8 months ago