There is no such thing as a "Nazi concentration camp" as well as there is no such thing as a "Polish concentration camp". All the camps were created and run by Germans. All the Poles and other people who died in those sad places were murdered by Germans. I have nothing against Germans but why the Newspeak?
@sirgregh You are wrong. Not all people were murdered by Germans as the Nazis found people of other nationalities to do their dirty work for them as well. I suggest you take a look at the staff of a camp, I spent some time going though the personnel files of the staff at Stutthof which are available in the archive there.
The camps were created and run by Nazis - which is an international ideology of hatred.
@alanheath I think you are wrong. Nazis were nothing else but a German socialist political party that won democratic elections in Germany. All that happened later was merely a result of that and their policy. I suggest you stop using the Newspeak.
@sirgregh I am very politically correct. Nonetheless, Nazism existed in many countries, you can see want to be Nazis all over the internet (or maybe there is only a couple of them using hundreds of aliases - I do not know).
I accept that many non Nazi Germans were also responsible for crimes but it was the under the leadership of the Nazis.
Furthermore by blaming Germans in general you are declaring responsible 80m Germans who are not responsible for this.
@alanheath I am not blaming anyone who is innocent. Just trying to indicate that between 1939-1945 millions of Poles were not murdered by Aliens or Zombies but by certain Germans, Russians and their kind helpers whatever nationality they were. Seems that being PC means to transpose the blame for the WWII to some mythical Nazis that came from outer space.
@sirgregh It is not a case of being PC - it is a case of stating facts. Nazism is evil and responsible for what happened. Not German people. Nor are Russian people responsible for the crimes of Bolshevism.
Or are Britons, Spanish and Portuguese today responsible for the African slave trade to America?
We can take it further. Are all white people responsible for their treatment of black people? Because if so both of us are in the guilty party there.
@sirgregh It is not a case of being PC - it is a case of stating facts. Nazism is evil and responsible for what happened. Not German people. Nor are Russian people responsible for the crimes of Bolshevism.
Or are Britons, Spanish and Portuguese today responsible for the African slave trade to America?
We can take it further. Are all white people responsible for their treatment of black people? Because if so both of us are in the guilty party there.
@alanheath First of all, I have to state it once again, this time in capitals: I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE WHO IS INNOCENT. PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN HE 30'S ARE MOSTLY GONE.
Let's discuss facts. If there would be a nationwide referendum in 1939 in Germany to decide whether the invasion of Poland is justified, the fact is that the outcome would be over 90% votes in favour. What do you think would be the outcome If the same referendum would be held in e.g Czechoslovakia who was Poland's neighbour then?
Just to remind the terms "Drang nach Osten" and "Lebensraum". The Polish "Untermensch" was to become a servant of the Geman "Ubermensch". Polish population murdered and the remains Germanized. Soviets and Germans held meetings where they exchanged lists of Polish intelligentsia to be murdered. These were no "Nazi camps" they were German and all old folks who lived then knew it. Now PC is trying to change it. "Nazi" is just a cosy, vague term that helps to avoid the inconvenient truth.
@sirgregh Terms like Lebensraum and Untermensch were Nazi terms and I think that Drang nach Osten was revived by the Nazis.
I am well aware of the Nazi policy towards Poland and have documented here in some detail.
In Gross Rosen, the second largest national population in the camp was German until around 1943 as it was in many camps. 10m Germans lost their lives because of the Nazis and at least as many again lost their homes. The Nazis were - and are - the enemy of Germany.
@sirgregh The thing is that there was not a referendum in Nazi Germany about an invasion and even if there had been, I doubt the result would be like that. At its peak around 10m Germans voted for the Nazis. That means that 70m did not. In 1914 the war was popular everywhere. In 1939 it was not and there was fear in Germany, somewhat allayed by 1940 although which returned with a vengeance from 1942.
Germans over35 remembered what happened after WW1 - they did not want another war.
@alanheath You don't seeem to have a grasp of the situation in Central Europe in 1918-1939. You are replacing the aggresive German nationalism and revisionism (reaching back to Prussian times) with some PC labelling. Read more (but not in Wikipedia pls) on issues like Kulturkampf, Prussian Deportations, German Eastern Marches Society or the General Government .Again, Nazi is an abbreviation of NSDAP - a democratically elected ruling socialist party. And it did not take place in China or Mars.
@sirgregh I think I have a very good grasp of the situation in central Europe between the wars. The Kulturkampf happened before and the GG afterwards. The German Eastern Marches Society was a small group with little influence. And the Nazis were not democratically elected party by popular mandate but came to power by political machinations by Hindenburg and von Papen who then found themselves unable to control Hitler.
History is about facts, not perverting those facts to suit oneself.
I have not only studied that particular period in history but my family actually was a victim of German and Soviet atrocities on Polish nation throughout the centuries.
According to this new PC version of history, millions of Poles and others died by hand of some mythical group called "Nazis" who came out of nowhere and then dissolved in the atmosphere...
Hey Alan I can see you're not far away from where I am right now and if you're ever in Nowogród Bobrzański I invite you to visit DAG Alfred Nobel a mysterious, large former Nazi ammunition factory complex at which location I shot one of my videos. Have a look here: watch?v=j6FY4TY4DiU
I'm a big history fan myself and I love Dolny Śląsk also. Recently I bought a book called "Podziemia III Rzeszy" by Rostkowski in which AL Gross Rosen is also mentioned on many occasions. Highly recommended!
@wyciskTV Actually I am now in Warsaw, I was seeing a woman in Jelenia Góra which is the reason for the amount of films from the area. I have never been to Nowogród Bobrzański - I have been to Żagan (as may be expected) and was thinking of buying a ruined palace near Czerna a few years ago.
If I had stayed there longer I would have looked more at the Reise system. I was contacted by a TV company about being a consultant on this but I told them I knew very little on it!
@merseywhogirl 20 July - it should have been roasting. A pity it had not been like that on 20 July two years earlier when I fell off my bike and ended up in hospital!
@merseywhogirl It was a bicycle but I doing over 30kmph at the time. Two ladies I met in the street took me home and one tended to my injuries which was nice of them. Several people offered to help me - I accepted this offer because I thought they looked like doctors but they were not. When I was capable of walking to the hospital I went there. But that was two years ago in Gdańsk.
There is no such thing as a "Nazi concentration camp" as well as there is no such thing as a "Polish concentration camp". All the camps were created and run by Germans. All the Poles and other people who died in those sad places were murdered by Germans. I have nothing against Germans but why the Newspeak?
sirgregh 4 months ago
@sirgregh You are wrong. Not all people were murdered by Germans as the Nazis found people of other nationalities to do their dirty work for them as well. I suggest you take a look at the staff of a camp, I spent some time going though the personnel files of the staff at Stutthof which are available in the archive there.
The camps were created and run by Nazis - which is an international ideology of hatred.
alanheath 4 months ago
@alanheath I think you are wrong. Nazis were nothing else but a German socialist political party that won democratic elections in Germany. All that happened later was merely a result of that and their policy. I suggest you stop using the Newspeak.
sirgregh 4 months ago
@sirgregh I am very politically correct. Nonetheless, Nazism existed in many countries, you can see want to be Nazis all over the internet (or maybe there is only a couple of them using hundreds of aliases - I do not know).
I accept that many non Nazi Germans were also responsible for crimes but it was the under the leadership of the Nazis.
Furthermore by blaming Germans in general you are declaring responsible 80m Germans who are not responsible for this.
alanheath 4 months ago
@alanheath I am not blaming anyone who is innocent. Just trying to indicate that between 1939-1945 millions of Poles were not murdered by Aliens or Zombies but by certain Germans, Russians and their kind helpers whatever nationality they were. Seems that being PC means to transpose the blame for the WWII to some mythical Nazis that came from outer space.
sirgregh 4 months ago
@sirgregh It is not a case of being PC - it is a case of stating facts. Nazism is evil and responsible for what happened. Not German people. Nor are Russian people responsible for the crimes of Bolshevism.
Or are Britons, Spanish and Portuguese today responsible for the African slave trade to America?
We can take it further. Are all white people responsible for their treatment of black people? Because if so both of us are in the guilty party there.
alanheath 4 months ago
@sirgregh It is not a case of being PC - it is a case of stating facts. Nazism is evil and responsible for what happened. Not German people. Nor are Russian people responsible for the crimes of Bolshevism.
Or are Britons, Spanish and Portuguese today responsible for the African slave trade to America?
We can take it further. Are all white people responsible for their treatment of black people? Because if so both of us are in the guilty party there.
alanheath 4 months ago
@alanheath First of all, I have to state it once again, this time in capitals: I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE WHO IS INNOCENT. PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN HE 30'S ARE MOSTLY GONE.
Let's discuss facts. If there would be a nationwide referendum in 1939 in Germany to decide whether the invasion of Poland is justified, the fact is that the outcome would be over 90% votes in favour. What do you think would be the outcome If the same referendum would be held in e.g Czechoslovakia who was Poland's neighbour then?
sirgregh 4 months ago
Just to remind the terms "Drang nach Osten" and "Lebensraum". The Polish "Untermensch" was to become a servant of the Geman "Ubermensch". Polish population murdered and the remains Germanized. Soviets and Germans held meetings where they exchanged lists of Polish intelligentsia to be murdered. These were no "Nazi camps" they were German and all old folks who lived then knew it. Now PC is trying to change it. "Nazi" is just a cosy, vague term that helps to avoid the inconvenient truth.
sirgregh 4 months ago
@sirgregh Terms like Lebensraum and Untermensch were Nazi terms and I think that Drang nach Osten was revived by the Nazis.
I am well aware of the Nazi policy towards Poland and have documented here in some detail.
In Gross Rosen, the second largest national population in the camp was German until around 1943 as it was in many camps. 10m Germans lost their lives because of the Nazis and at least as many again lost their homes. The Nazis were - and are - the enemy of Germany.
alanheath 4 months ago
@sirgregh The thing is that there was not a referendum in Nazi Germany about an invasion and even if there had been, I doubt the result would be like that. At its peak around 10m Germans voted for the Nazis. That means that 70m did not. In 1914 the war was popular everywhere. In 1939 it was not and there was fear in Germany, somewhat allayed by 1940 although which returned with a vengeance from 1942.
Germans over35 remembered what happened after WW1 - they did not want another war.
alanheath 4 months ago
@alanheath You don't seeem to have a grasp of the situation in Central Europe in 1918-1939. You are replacing the aggresive German nationalism and revisionism (reaching back to Prussian times) with some PC labelling. Read more (but not in Wikipedia pls) on issues like Kulturkampf, Prussian Deportations, German Eastern Marches Society or the General Government .Again, Nazi is an abbreviation of NSDAP - a democratically elected ruling socialist party. And it did not take place in China or Mars.
sirgregh 4 months ago
@sirgregh I think I have a very good grasp of the situation in central Europe between the wars. The Kulturkampf happened before and the GG afterwards. The German Eastern Marches Society was a small group with little influence. And the Nazis were not democratically elected party by popular mandate but came to power by political machinations by Hindenburg and von Papen who then found themselves unable to control Hitler.
History is about facts, not perverting those facts to suit oneself.
alanheath 4 months ago
@alanheath Just this once I can agree with you.
I have not only studied that particular period in history but my family actually was a victim of German and Soviet atrocities on Polish nation throughout the centuries.
According to this new PC version of history, millions of Poles and others died by hand of some mythical group called "Nazis" who came out of nowhere and then dissolved in the atmosphere...
I will leave you and your theories alone.
sirgregh 4 months ago
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alanheath 5 months ago
Hey Alan I can see you're not far away from where I am right now and if you're ever in Nowogród Bobrzański I invite you to visit DAG Alfred Nobel a mysterious, large former Nazi ammunition factory complex at which location I shot one of my videos. Have a look here: watch?v=j6FY4TY4DiU
I'm a big history fan myself and I love Dolny Śląsk also. Recently I bought a book called "Podziemia III Rzeszy" by Rostkowski in which AL Gross Rosen is also mentioned on many occasions. Highly recommended!
wyciskTV 5 months ago 2
@wyciskTV Actually I am now in Warsaw, I was seeing a woman in Jelenia Góra which is the reason for the amount of films from the area. I have never been to Nowogród Bobrzański - I have been to Żagan (as may be expected) and was thinking of buying a ruined palace near Czerna a few years ago.
If I had stayed there longer I would have looked more at the Reise system. I was contacted by a TV company about being a consultant on this but I told them I knew very little on it!
alanheath 5 months ago
Hey mate, your wipers need a change!
wyciskTV 5 months ago
@wyciskTV I think that they are OK for the moment!
alanheath 5 months ago
@wyciskTV I have changed my mind. I think you are right.
alanheath 4 months ago
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alanheath 5 months ago
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alanheath 5 months ago
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alanheath 5 months ago
love weather alan...ahhh, like england :)
merseywhogirl 5 months ago
@merseywhogirl 20 July - it should have been roasting. A pity it had not been like that on 20 July two years earlier when I fell off my bike and ended up in hospital!
alanheath 5 months ago
@alanheath do you mean motorbike or bicycle...either way, i hope you weren't seriously hurt!! glad you're ok now!!
merseywhogirl 5 months ago
@merseywhogirl It was a bicycle but I doing over 30kmph at the time. Two ladies I met in the street took me home and one tended to my injuries which was nice of them. Several people offered to help me - I accepted this offer because I thought they looked like doctors but they were not. When I was capable of walking to the hospital I went there. But that was two years ago in Gdańsk.
alanheath 5 months ago