theres only ane force in scotland as labour is nothing more than the last dregs of a desperate unionist hangover..wake up and smell the saltire do you smell it yit?carolyn bint self appointed window dressing of the labour party..does that not tell ye sdomething?who made her bell of the ball..nothing but a dried up old sea hag..dry yer eyes
@BasilFawlty4444 MAJORITY is the key word in your post. The abondonment of the union of the scots will lead to the ruination of liebour in England :-) Coupled with the boundary changes as well leads to only one outcome.
@ukipwarrior Oh please; it's delusional to suggest that Scotland leaving the Union will be the death of Labour in England.
It's a myth made up by the right wing press - England is not a right wing country in any sense. And it never has been.
I suppose you never saw Question Time a couple of weeks ago, when Dimbleby told us the stark truth - post-war (ie since 1945) Labour majorities didn't require Scotland.
The Tories couldn't even get a majority after GORDON BROWN.
@BasilFawlty4444 england is not a conservative nation?!?!? How come they accumulated the most votes in 2010 in addition to the electoral map being largely blue rinse in England...outside of the inner city hellholes
@ukipwarrior The English are swing voters without allegiance to any political party. You may recall the anti-Conservative sentiment that was prevalent for most of the 1990s. Times change. Labour will get majorities in the future.
Indeed, there is an argument that, like Labour after Thatcher (with the changing of Clause IV), the modern Tory party has been pulled towards the centre of the political spectrum by the left wing.
And those "inner city hellholes" provide most of our GDP!
@Capt777harris Well its a matter of pride and patriotism, the Independance movement has clearly engaged scottish emotions. Unfortunately they have yet to prove they can manage a viable economy without a huge drop in the standards of living for ordinary people. I dont know there is an American equilivant... but maybe its a little bit like Texas. Im sure they'd love the concept of independance.
@Capt777harris well, I live in Germany and I am asking myself, what does scotland lose? they have huge oil fields which is going to london, since Tatcher, the scottish industry has been outsourced up to 80%(!) and quite frankly many seem to be just fed up with london and want to rule themselves (which is fair)
scotland has much more potential than many realize. german scientist/firms would pounce into scotland if they became independent, because of their eco energy possiblity
@Capt777harris scotland would gain its own free will and not the will of norman tyrants who have no cultural or blood ties to the four nations that it dictates to..the uk is a joke thats been going sour since 1066 and weve had enough..dont worry about what scotland would gain we dont a nation of 6 million with more than enough natural sustainable resources to provide security for her people many times over..we are the envy of europe
Step back from the anti-Englishness and the Braveheart inspired xenophobia..
Do you guys honestly believe this fat socialist cunt will turn Scotland into a Utopia based on a dwindling oil income? Will he not sell us into the EU, and turn us into another insignificant little state with a “Defence Force” and perhaps suffering the embarrassment of the other “Celtic Tiger” by being bailed out by bigger economies.
Is it worth destroying our United Kingdom for? Especially in the Europe of today
your first sentence shows your ignorance. Why is it anti english to want an independent scotland that works in the interests of scotland?
just like the unionists, none of them can come up with a proper arguement, so when their fearmongering fails they resort to smears. The westminister government long ago sold us to the EU, they completely sold the north sea out when it comes to fishing.
Flint is one of these politicians that makes you think "Who votes for these people?" She's horrible! She comes across so badly whenever she appears on TV!
** ATTENTION ** In 2014 the people of Scotland will vote in a referendum if they want to be an independent country. They will choose if they want an independent government or to continue to be ruled and governed by the British Government in London. If you support independence for Scotland then please take just 2 minutes and search youtube for - The Youtube Scottish Independence Poll - Thank You.
Scotland's right & ability. Can you envisage someone you love?
Most learn that for a child to grow and be at peace it must have something vital: a certain liberty and authenticity. Deny this and something dies. I beg you. Scotland is dying. Will you be brave enough to let her go? Will you have courage to liberate her soul?
I beg you. Look at the reality of broken lives and a self harming place - let her go outside to see the sun and to live a life God willing. To be in full expression.
I don't believe that blood on streets is any kind of solution. I'm proud that Scotland and the desire of many of us for independence hasn't led us to choose violence.
Ultimately; it is up to God. If it is right for Scotland to be independent then God will make sure that happens more surely than we could hope to.
You have the right to choose your own path. But I am tired of suffering and of watching people fight and perpetuate hatred. That IS NOT the way. Bitterness is poison.
The land isn't mine. It doesn't belong to me. That is an English conceptualization of the land. The very thing which led to Scotland being betrayed and sold. The land belongs to God - as does our planet. But every nation DOES have the right to full independence. But I don't want to "hate" my English friends - I WANT to live in peace. I want our children and our friendship with England grow - not disappear in bitterness but there has to be a healing first.
@telemetry9 If there is any hatred or bitteness it will come from south of the border believe me. Trust in your God and try and find some courage if not for Scotlands sake then for Godsake.
You can't even have a discussion without causing negativity. Just how are you going to contribute positively to Scotland's future? By doing the same old hatred and bitterness that has been going on for centuries? You need to learn some courage and grow up emotionally - instead of throwing your toys out of the pram.
Growing up and being a man is about diplomacy and defusing violence - not inciting or creating conflict and despair in childrens' lives.
@telemetry9 - I am pro Scottish independence but believe the new Scotland will be a secular nation with separation of church and state as in the U.S.
It's the 21st century and they will not declare themselves a Christian nation. So sorry to point this out but it is almost a certainty that the land will NOT "belong to god" but to the people governed by a secular democratic parliament.
This would make public prayer, religious holidays and religious schools unconstitutional and so stopped.
@WillShakespeare2007 It's one thing to oblige to a democratic parliament and seperating church and state, which sounds perfectly reasonable to me. But separation means separation. The state shoudn't outlaw public prayer or religious schools in that spirit of separation otherwise, it's just hypocrisy. And I would like to see the Scottish government or indeed any government trying to scrap all religious holidays like Christmas. Besides religion, it's also a matter of culture
@autofreak7 - "Stopped" was the wrong term as there was not room to explain what I meant. If there is separation of church and state the government could not constitutionally promote a religion and therefore it could not fund religious schools. They do not need to be banned but could not receive money from the public purse. Also Christmas celebration funded by the public purse would have to be secular. Christmas trees YES, nativity scenes NO. This will have to be clear in the constitution.
@autofreak7 - Cont - sorry I hate leaving two comments together but needed the room I thought. I have written to the SNP several times on this matter as it is a far reaching issue effecting education, public holidays and national identity. Will it be a secular or Christian nation? They have refused to answer as I believe they fear this issue becoming public.
There's one group of people who'll be ecstatic about a breakup of union. That group is the Europhiles. I don't understand why the SNP who wants Scottish independence is pro EU. They would be breaking from one union and joining another. I don't understand why Scottish people would prefer Brussels to London. At Westminster Scotland has a massive representation. At Brussels Scotland would have almost no power at all. Can someone please tell me what the SNP really stands for?
Watching an female English Tory and female English Labourite getting into a proverbial mud wrestling competition, because the SNP were destroying their previously held belief system is very funny.
Ps. sorry to the female race... was just my filthy mind watching these two. LOL
i more interest in english independence. Good luck @glasgow1234 i hope you get what you want. Id like to see england gain its independence. A Salmond has said that he would still keep the Queen as head of state and not split the armed forces. I dont want that independence for england should mean independence including a new passports, border control etc.
@BritishLibertarian We are sovereign within the union and we will walk out anytime we want! The sovereignty of Scotland lies with the people. It always has. The sovereignty of the rest of the UK lies with the British Government under English law. Sorry to burst your bubble but English law doesn't apply to Scotland. You go on about getting Britain out of the EU so that we can get our power back but then you fail to understand that us Scots want OUR power back.. total hypocrisy
@BritishLibertarian The Scots are the sovereign of Scotland, not crown or parliament, as enshrined within Scots law, this was legally recognised by King Robert I of Scots in the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath, who stated that the Scots were the living embodiment of Scottish sovereignty, it was later re-documented in the 1689 Scottish claim of rights.
In England, the English are traditionally subjects with English sovereignty being reserved within the English parliament (a non-entity since 1707).
@BritishLibertarian There is no such thing as 'British sovereignty', Britain is not a country, it's a 1707 political construct, that's why there is no such thing as a 'British flag' or constitution either, the union jack is the UK flag, not the British flag.
Scots law and English common law are two distinct different law systems that serve only their respective nations.
Well done the only Scottish Government to have the bottle to rid Scotland of the cancer of sectarianism . You've got my vote at the next election, well done
@BritishLibertarian What about it? Does it make everybody who's great great Grandmother Scottish as Scottish too?
Where do you draw the line by what makes you Scottish and what doesn't make you Scottish?
What about the tax base? Why should foreigners and people living on a foreign country decide to vote on a country that they have nothing to do with because they weren't born there and don't live there, if you don't live there why should you vote on Scotland when you've nothing to do with it?
King James VI of Scots formed the United Kingdom in 1603, not the 1707 British construct that was supported by Queen Ann who was the monarch of the time.
The United Kingdom (UK) is a different constitution and pre-dates the political constitution of Great Britain (GB).
Also, King and Kingship doesn't mean the same thing in Scotland like it does in France and England. The Scots are the sovereign.
@BritishLibertarian Scottish independence is only for the sovereign Scots to decide, Scottish sovereignty is vested in the Scots themselves, it's a Scottish decision.
It is nothing to do with you, the rest of England or any other nation.
Britain is irrelevant, and is merely a 1707 political construct that has way passed it's sell by date and should have died out in the early 80s when the Scots dropped the britshit identity.
@BritishLibertarian No, I think he remembers that only 29% want it! But Why would he hold the referendum when the Unionists want it. They didn't win, the SNP did. THEY are the Scottish Government so It will be their choice.
I personally think the main problem here is that we've all been allowed to think we are still "English", or "Scottish" or "Welsh" or "Irish" too long. These countries shouldn't been dissolved long ago and just have one simple country - Britain. Instead people, even after centuries of interbreeding and blood dilution, still cling to "Scottish" and "English" ancestry. My mums full Scottish and my Dad full English. What am I? British. Idaf about Scotland or England. I'm British, as are you.
@BritishLibertarian 29% of the population? Sorry, when was the referendum held, did i miss it or something? If you are going by polls, a most recent one put those for independence ahead of those against... Only one poll counts. We will wait for a few years because the SNP want to show Scotland what it's like to be ruled by a majority government that actually gives a damn about us and convince the people that we are best fully governed from Scotland by Scots!
@BritishLibertarian The Scottish people are not stupid and never in a million years would a Unionist and someone completely against independence vote for the SNP or Alex Salmond, regardless of whether they were sick of the old 3! Yes a lot of the people who voted SNP are not 100% sure about independence but they are not completely against it. The SNP will show what they can do in the next few years and win over those unsure voters and lead us to independence !
215,000. It's still bad but not nearly as bleak as you paint. However who i am to talk. I've just been laid off this month and still searching for a job. so ffs. P.S i am not for or against anything yet because frankly i don't know enough to have a opinion
@iwillsubmitnorthing Im also apart of the so called lost generation, lost my job this month also, so yeah a worry for me i suppose, but that dont mean englands entire economy is going down the drain, it just means we need to look at our current system and change it, i no theres not 1million unemployed, i was stating if there was with such a small population industry just dont pop up out of nowhere, im not sure how ive come across smug sorry i if did.
@topmarkms I really don't understand why we're fighting. We just seem like 2 guys in the same position to be honest and it doesn't matter where you live it's the same however i refuse to believe we're lost. We're get up again even though just searching for volunteer work is a pain but I was just surprised by your statement because of the brave-heart thing. You're last comment before this was fine and the one i am replying to. Anyway lets just forget it
@iwillsubmitnorthing Yh not sure why we are to be honest aha, yeah i think the lost generation stuff is just the media trying to shame the goverment, hopefully anyway, sorry if the braveheart thing offended you, i was aiming that at a certain group of peaple, but yeah good luck out there dude.
Dont all you scottish find it pointless leaving the united kingdom then joining the EU, wheres this so called independance in that?, your nation will be as fucked up at ireland, yes scotland has natural gases, but thats it!, scotland has mass unemployment, but i guess its the unemployed who sit watching braveheart and think voting for independance will make a difference, well all i can say is good luck!
@topmarkms Dude, doesn't England have mass unemployment? Oh i must have imagined that in my head that every single country apart from germany was suffering and facing mass unemployment figures? I must have been dreaming that there were riots in your country just this summer, student protests and i also must have been smoking drugs when i saw those protesters outside the church? YEs England is doing fantastic. NOT
@iwillsubmitnorthing The difference is that england has over 60 million peaple, so it still has a secure economy its just the nations youngsters that have not been given a chance so its called a worry, whats scotlands population like 5 million?, so if theres 1 million unemployed its more then a worry, im not trying to degrade scotland im just explaining that this so called freedom from the english is aload of bullshit, i mean wheres the freedom in leaving the uk and joining the eu?
@topmarkms I am not even debating that. I am debating your smug arrogance. No one has any reason to talk right now about anyone. I am just pointing out facts and is your youngest population being left behind not a worry for you. Someone will have to take care of the aging population, won't they? The young people such as myself won't take care of those who didn't support them and i am not saying that to be nasty. I am saying that because it's true. P.S there isn't 1 million unemployed.
Well said putting these unionists in there place.We dont get free stuff to.We pay for it with our taxes.Free stuff is a myth.Nothing is for free.This is why we are so heavilly taxed.We also pay the high petrol prices,the worst in UK and Europe.When its us that own it.What is that all about?
I'm English and bring on Scottish independence! England is getting a raw deal, I especially look forwards to when Scotland has to take its fair share of the national debt. England subsidizes both Wales and Scotland. How will Scotland pay for all the free stuff their people get? Iceland, Greece, Portugal, Ireland... Scotland!
@ihavekankles According to official figures from Holyrood & HM Treasury, Scotland is net CONTRIBUTOR to the UK economy. Scotland is well placed to take it's fair share of UK debt. Don't take my word for it, do your own research instead of parroting what you read in the unionist media. The only people more dangerous than the ignorant are the deceived.
@slothgoonies yes! independence for Wales, Northern Ireland, Cornwall and Devon, North East england back into the new, independant Scotland with Berwick. Longtown etc. You are a warmongering thieving race!
England as a country are forgiven but your meddling and interfering are NEVER FORGOTTEN.
If the scots do get a referendum they better win because they could never live down the shame and embaressment and they will forever be seen as full of hot air and will not be taken seriously.
And they will be abused by the british government and they wont have the trump card of threatening to leave the union anymore which currently gives them more power than they would normally have.
So you scots damn well better vote for independance cos your life will be much worse if you don't.
The SNP must now get out of the green dreamword and invest in north sea oil and shale gas to grow our economy out of recession. Neither wind turbines or tidal power can produce enough energy for our needs in a cooling planet.
@BonnieBlueFlag1314 You are living in La La land. Green energy is useless in its present form and will need coal and gas fired power stations to back it up in freezing cold winters. How many winturbines to produce enough steel to make a car? Go back to your dark ages and let our country grow. Atmospheric co2 enhancement benefits all life on the Plant which has now started to cool abruptly, if you have not noticed. Carbon dioxide is a mere product of past warming caused by the Sun.
@BonnieBlueFlag1314 Do not be so arrogant as to call me ignorant. The public smells a rat and the rat is the Green agenda and the false claim that man can change the climate. The pseudo-science is the greenhouse theory that co2 can drive the climate. The computer models are wrong Now go watch the teletubbies along with the other BBC propaganda.
@ukipwarrior Thank you for the agreement on Scottish independence; it is indeed on its way. I'd just like to ask why you feel the need to put Scotland down? What would you like to say?
@scotchprofessor Im sick of subsidizing free everything in your socialistic nation. VOTE freedom VOTE Scotland!! Cant wait for that day love from Aengland xx
@ukipwarrior You're subsidising nothing. Scotland has a net input into Westminster finances. Similarly, we pay for 8% of BBC funding, yet receive only 4% of networked representation. We pay for your tv Leaders' Debates for example, and aren't represented. We supply you with our oil, our gas, our water, even our police officers when your youth is rioting. Could you supply me with figures that show where England is subsidising Scotland?
@scotchprofessor Mclaren, Barclays, Manchester United, Formula 1, Marks & Spencer, Morrisons, Asda, next, Tetleys, Unilever, Jet2, Sainsburys, Waitrose, English Premier leauge, Lotus, Jaguar, Bentley, ITV, Tesco, Vodafone, O2, etc!! How the fuck re you going to raise money!! RBS had a balance sheet 15 times the size of the weak scots economy,
@ukipwarrior Chemicals, Coke, Refined Oils, Petroleum, Nuclear Fuel. Already that's over a tens of billions. Whisky alone is worth more than Tetley, Jaguar, McLaren, Waitrose. Scotland generates 194 billion per year, more than enough, that much annual income gives Scotland a per capita of around $40k.
@ukipwarrior More gets spent per person in London which has nearly 3x more population than Scotland, I seen the article, it is a racist attack to further the divide between England & Scotland. If you went into the slums of Birmingham & London, it can go up to 20k per person.
@ukipwarrior You say you're against the 'union', yet your very name is 'UKIPwarrior'. You seem like an English nationalist, yet employ US English spelling varieties. Equally, I'd ask if your spelling of 'Aengland' is intentional. And you really don't need to use ALLCAPS; I'm a keen voter, thank you.
Respond to this video... UKIP support an english parliament and plus the union has consent at least for now until the Scots break away. 2014?? the anniversary of bannocburn right????
@ukipwarrior If this is a reply for me - as it landed in my inbox - I've no idea what it means. It's a collection of random thought and expression. You've completely evaded my previously made points.
I really can't get this whole idea that Scottish Liberal Democrat voters voted for the SNP but didn't vote for independence. The Liberal Democrats are a UNIONIST party so wouldn't it have made sense for those voters for vote for another UNIONIST party - Labour or Tories.... The Scots people know what the SNP stand for at its core and no unionist in a million years would have voted SNP !
Damn snp, make the countries of the uk smaller in the eyes of the world why dont you.... Give up everthing that britain fought for, might as well. Together we stand apart we fall, you can have pride in your nation and not be a totally independent. Dont get me wrong i love the scots, but throwing away the uk on a whim when times are hard is silly.
@MrScottishJamie i agree, Cameron is a backstabber, but relations between scots, welshmen, elglishmen and to lesser extent irishmen run deep, just because times are abit difficult not doesn't mean they will be much better in the future
@dodudumdumdum the tories have a punish the scots rep and that why some english vote tory to give the scots a hard time if people want full devolution they will be a option there for it as well as independence
devolution is u have your policies and cash and scotland has our own policies and cash but the problem is the scots still have to get involved in the wars england has the scots will not stay just to get abused again from the next tory pm
@dodudumdumdum Fuck Britain! All Britain was was a 1707 political construct that well more than passed it's own sell by date, it should really have died in the early 80's.
It's also none of your business weather Scotland wants this rancid union to remain or not, it's strictly up to the Scots, the sovereign, weather they want to stay or not, and the chances are getting smaller each and every week.
Scotland works far better when it controls it's own affairs as the last term has clearly shown.
@segano1 the uk is the union you idiot, by saying fuck britian your saying fuck wales, england and scotland, britian is a geographical term NOT a political one, and while i respect your opinion i don't agree, scotland DOES control its own affairs already, or at least much of them, scotland has local parliament where england does not, get the idea of scots being repressed by england (if thats what you meant) out of your head because its not true. i'd like to know why you want independence tbh :)
Scotland is a fucking joke along with England, Wales and even Ireland. Should we sit back and watch the entire continent become a part of south east asia?
You get a moral high out of letting immigrants over run your countries but you refuse to see the effects this may have.
You couldn't throw a stick in a Glasgow street without hitting a traditional Labour voter who voted SNP in 2011... the idea that all Lib-dem votes went exclusively to the SNP is more Labour fantasy with a side order of sour grapes! Saor Alba :)
@maccamacca87 Well from the results of the 2011 Scottish election and even from the thumbs up on my comment, i would say the Scottish people will care very much about their own future.
@glasgow1234 But then what, do you guys really think outside of your country people won't try to exploit it.
plus do you really think you guys will get a majority in the referendum, the SNP may have a majority, but do a majority of the Scottish people really want this, i'm sorry but all i can see is the troubles happening all over again.
@glasgow1234 yess yes BE FURTHER DIVIDED FORMER BRITISH EMPIRE SCOTLAND IS NOTHING WITH OUT ENGLAND NEXT YOULL ALL BE LIKE PAKISTAN AND INDIA INFIGHTING BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER YOUR ALL BROTHERS WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT THAT BRITAIN IS AWESOME IT DID GREAT
@Abbadon380 Scotland is nothing without England? Please explain what you mean by that? I have no idea. And no, we will not be like Pakistan and India. This is 2011 Europe my friend. the days of going to war with our neighbours are long gone. And no, i actually have only one brother... my mother never had anymore sons. I would rather accept that Scotland is awesome and look forward to the things us Scots can achieve with independence. Why do we want independence? Does that even need answering?
@glasgow1234 actually it kinda does need answering its not as if you were down graded as second class citizens by them and economically oppresed arent there scottish politicians in the UK parliment arent you brothers with your english counterparts in the south
@Abbadon380 Still waiting for you to tell me how Scotland is nothing without England? We want independence so that we can be like every other nation in the world, controlling everything affecting us, raising & spending our own money and making our own choices in the best interests of our people. We are more than capable of doing that ourselves rather than allowing another government to do it for us. I wish people like you would get it into your heads - It has nothing to do with hating England
@glasgow1234 hmm i get the point i was wrong to think scotland would be nothing without england i concede i disagree upon breaking up the UK but i cant make a better argument good luck to you in preserving your soon to be or not to be independent nations culture from being Islamafied because englands lost to them
@glasgow1234 Well then shut the fuck up and stop putting more problems on England whiles we asre trying to fix more important stuff scotland been apart of uk for 300 and we became world power and we still a strong nation you get indepence then we will be a easy target for invasiona nd we havent been invaded for 1000 years.
Now stop crying about it your never going to get and et a job and work and help our nations together as one be great again.
@tehXade Sorry i had trouble trying to understand you at times reading that. How exactly am i putting more problems on England? Yes we BECAME a world power but those days are long gone... the union is DEAD! And we want out! And who exactly is going to invade us. Just because we would both be independent doesn't mean we wouldn't defend our island together. It doesn't sound like i am the one who is crying about things haha. I know for a fact Scotland will be independent soon and so do you
@glasgow1234 I know where your coming from but i just dont see the point your country having independence? like there is bigger issues to fix then to sit there and plame everythink on england,we just need a better goverment nothink to do with your country be ruled by us, in my opion i just reckon our nations are better as one and stronger surely you got to understanf that?
@tehXade I'm getting tired of saying this now. We don't want independence because we are ruled by England (which we are not) or because we think England is to blame for everything. We want independence because that is the normal progression for any nation! We want to govern ourselves. What is so hard for you to understand that? We don't want to be ruled from London anymore just like all the other countries before us who wanted independence from London! It's not a new thing!
@mwillis1000 English freedom from Scotland? Please explain what you mean by that as i'm lost. I support Scottish independence from the United Kingdom.
Well, Scotland started this union, and they made each country (Exept England) have a parliment, and they can each pass or stop laws etc in England without English any English say.
@mwillis1000 Perhaps go and have a look at ur history. The political union was formed by the Parliaments of Scotland AND England. The people of Scotland at the time were totally against it with many riots and protests held. How did Scotland make Wales and Northern Ireland get assemblies? If the people of England want a parliament then they should campaign for it. We in Scotland get what we want because we call out for it ! And England and Scotland have two different legal systems
The English government afreed to a union, but it was all aranged etc by the Scots, and the first king was a Scot. The reasons why Scotland wanted a union was because they failed to create an empire 3 times, and lost most of their money in doing so, England on the other hand was expanding their emipre and growing rich, so Scotland wanted some.
Many Enlish people want and have tried for an English parliment, all requests have been rejected.
@mwillis1000 The English parliament wasn't forced into doing anything! The people of Scotland and England at that time were totally against it, you need to know that! It was the super rich MPs and noblemen who put the union together. The union was formed roughly 100 years after the first Scottish king of Britain.No, many English people haven't tried. If you all really wanted a parliament so bad then there would be mass protests, petitions calling for it. Why do u think there hasn't?
As i said, England agreed with it, but didnt start it. How do you know? Have you asked people or are you just guessing? I know that English people have, so much so that English independance parties have been set up.
@mwillis1000 Both our countries went into the union as two equal nations and if one of those countries wants to leave, then the other can't stop it. If the people of England really wanted an English Parliament then they would vote for a political party such as the English democrats who call for it. They came 13th in list of parties with most votes in the last UK election. Hardly a big cry for an English Parliament! Please understand though that i fully support an English Parliament.
Nope, why dont we have a parliment then? Why can Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales make laws etc for England and we can do nothing? Scotland proposed the union and England agreed, England didnt start the union it was Scotland. People do vote for English democrats (Not many though). Many English people dont know the full facts anyway.
@mwillis1000 You don't have a parliament because your government chooses not to give you one. That is hardly Scotland's fault ! Erm, Scotland has a completely different legal system and always had. We make laws for Scotland, not England. Does it really matter who started what? It's all coming to an end anyway. I support an independent England as i do an independent Scotland. I am all for fairness as you are. Scots governing Scotland, English governing England. Don't you agree?
Well, because Scotland didnt let us, and the countless times people have asked for one, they have ALL been rejected. My government is also yours. Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales all make choices for England, while we have no say in the matter.
Yes, i do agree. But i would prefer the union to say actually, we are much better off together.
@mwillis1000 Scotland didn't let yous? WHAT are you talking about? Seriously? I have NEVER heard a majority call for an English Parliament. The UK Parliament is the parliament of all four nations of the UK. It is is made up of 533 English MPs, while Scotland has only 59... We are hardly making choices for England while you have no say in the matter. What choices is it that we have made for England?
@mwillis1000 First time i have came across such websites calling for an English parliament. Look, let's get one thing straight. I SUPPORT you! Scottish Nationalists are COMPLETELY misunderstood by the majority of English people. We don't hate England. We hate the unfair UK which we are part of. I support an English Parliament ! And the SNP has NEVER voted on any issue affecting England. Lib dem and labour MPs from Scotland, Wales and NI do. I agree it is completely unfair !
example. Ewhenever there were meetings in Brussels re' fishing quotas for the EU nations, The British governments would sacrifice UK fish quotas in return for better farming and agricultural deals. For A country like England this was excellent because Englands farming industry is massive compared to their fishing industry. For Scotand it is opposite way round. Scotland has the EUs largest fishing grounds but what has happened to this industry?
@kbdkbd99 so what qualifications does she need? If we had it your way only oxford and cambridge elite would have a say. She was fairly voted in you fool.
The truth is the SNP have improved Scotland in the last few years, they have a great leader and a man who can destroy any of the morons Labour put up who simply whine about losing money if independence comes - nothing like self interest - well it's time to be big boys and run your own affairs and not be judged by false measurements. The London parties are failing. The SNP are a real alternative. I bet English people would love a genuine alternative to the ugly sisters and the Lib Dem leeches.
@MrHarrylime79 Of course. The problem is that if we elected a nationalist party here the left would shit an absolute brick and cry racism, claiming we're hateful towards scots, the welsh and Irish. Meanwhile in reality, people in wales, scotland and northern ireland wouldn't actually have any problem with it.
@roflcopter2006 You know what pal, the English, the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish are all great people who deserve to be represented and their interests too -they are separate in many ways. It's the British I have a problem with. The tuition fee issue in England is simply disgusting and I feel hear sorry for kids in England getting screwed like this. Thankfully the SNP sorted that out in Scotland.
Hmm do you think maybe the chance of a referendum has swayed the vote? Given that the voting demonstrates there's next to 0 support for ConDem north of the border?
Just the usual Labour and Toxics self importance.
charles1952ify 2 days ago
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How many Scots does it take to change a lightbulb?
None - they sit in the dark and blame England.
karezza6 1 week ago
theres only ane force in scotland as labour is nothing more than the last dregs of a desperate unionist hangover..wake up and smell the saltire do you smell it yit?carolyn bint self appointed window dressing of the labour party..does that not tell ye sdomething?who made her bell of the ball..nothing but a dried up old sea hag..dry yer eyes
MrScantregard 2 weeks ago
Here here to scots independence Labour will NEVER get in!!
ukipwarrior 3 weeks ago
@ukipwarrior Not true.
There has only been one post-war Labour government that would not have had a majority without Scotland.
In 1997, 2001 and 2005, Labour would have had clear majorities WITHOUT Scotland.
It's all a media myth I'm afraid. You can check my facts - just a Google search will tell you the truth.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 MAJORITY is the key word in your post. The abondonment of the union of the scots will lead to the ruination of liebour in England :-) Coupled with the boundary changes as well leads to only one outcome.
ukipwarrior 3 weeks ago
@ukipwarrior Oh please; it's delusional to suggest that Scotland leaving the Union will be the death of Labour in England.
It's a myth made up by the right wing press - England is not a right wing country in any sense. And it never has been.
I suppose you never saw Question Time a couple of weeks ago, when Dimbleby told us the stark truth - post-war (ie since 1945) Labour majorities didn't require Scotland.
The Tories couldn't even get a majority after GORDON BROWN.
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@BasilFawlty4444 england is not a conservative nation?!?!? How come they accumulated the most votes in 2010 in addition to the electoral map being largely blue rinse in England...outside of the inner city hellholes
ukipwarrior 3 weeks ago
@ukipwarrior The English are swing voters without allegiance to any political party. You may recall the anti-Conservative sentiment that was prevalent for most of the 1990s. Times change. Labour will get majorities in the future.
Indeed, there is an argument that, like Labour after Thatcher (with the changing of Clause IV), the modern Tory party has been pulled towards the centre of the political spectrum by the left wing.
And those "inner city hellholes" provide most of our GDP!
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
I'm an American living in California, and I'm wondering what's driving the Scottish independence movement. What would Scotland gain?
Capt777harris 1 month ago
@Capt777harris Well its a matter of pride and patriotism, the Independance movement has clearly engaged scottish emotions. Unfortunately they have yet to prove they can manage a viable economy without a huge drop in the standards of living for ordinary people. I dont know there is an American equilivant... but maybe its a little bit like Texas. Im sure they'd love the concept of independance.
mattwho81 3 weeks ago
@Capt777harris well, I live in Germany and I am asking myself, what does scotland lose? they have huge oil fields which is going to london, since Tatcher, the scottish industry has been outsourced up to 80%(!) and quite frankly many seem to be just fed up with london and want to rule themselves (which is fair)
scotland has much more potential than many realize. german scientist/firms would pounce into scotland if they became independent, because of their eco energy possiblity
SchwarzundWeis 3 weeks ago
@SchwarzundWeis Why can't they "pounce into Scotland" now?
BasilFawlty4444 3 weeks ago
@Capt777harris scotland would gain its own free will and not the will of norman tyrants who have no cultural or blood ties to the four nations that it dictates to..the uk is a joke thats been going sour since 1066 and weve had enough..dont worry about what scotland would gain we dont a nation of 6 million with more than enough natural sustainable resources to provide security for her people many times over..we are the envy of europe
MrScantregard 2 weeks ago
@MrScantregard Thanks.
Capt777harris 2 weeks ago
Step back from the anti-Englishness and the Braveheart inspired xenophobia..
Do you guys honestly believe this fat socialist cunt will turn Scotland into a Utopia based on a dwindling oil income? Will he not sell us into the EU, and turn us into another insignificant little state with a “Defence Force” and perhaps suffering the embarrassment of the other “Celtic Tiger” by being bailed out by bigger economies.
Is it worth destroying our United Kingdom for? Especially in the Europe of today
wank0r 1 month ago
@wank0r
your first sentence shows your ignorance. Why is it anti english to want an independent scotland that works in the interests of scotland?
just like the unionists, none of them can come up with a proper arguement, so when their fearmongering fails they resort to smears. The westminister government long ago sold us to the EU, they completely sold the north sea out when it comes to fishing.
stonecoldmc 4 weeks ago
Flint is one of these politicians that makes you think "Who votes for these people?" She's horrible! She comes across so badly whenever she appears on TV!
ronaldinhollew 1 month ago
Are your sure it wasn't Sayeeda getting into a strop here?
ShowPolitics 1 month ago
go away warsi you paki.
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glasgow1234 1 month ago
Scotland's right & ability. Can you envisage someone you love?
Most learn that for a child to grow and be at peace it must have something vital: a certain liberty and authenticity. Deny this and something dies. I beg you. Scotland is dying. Will you be brave enough to let her go? Will you have courage to liberate her soul?
I beg you. Look at the reality of broken lives and a self harming place - let her go outside to see the sun and to live a life God willing. To be in full expression.
telemetry9 1 month ago
@telemetry9 For christs sake what's with all this begging shit be a man take what's yours and that's an end to it. Scotland Wull ....Sans Peur
strathpipe 1 month ago
I don't believe that blood on streets is any kind of solution. I'm proud that Scotland and the desire of many of us for independence hasn't led us to choose violence.
Ultimately; it is up to God. If it is right for Scotland to be independent then God will make sure that happens more surely than we could hope to.
You have the right to choose your own path. But I am tired of suffering and of watching people fight and perpetuate hatred. That IS NOT the way. Bitterness is poison.
telemetry9 1 month ago
"take what's yours"?
The land isn't mine. It doesn't belong to me. That is an English conceptualization of the land. The very thing which led to Scotland being betrayed and sold. The land belongs to God - as does our planet. But every nation DOES have the right to full independence. But I don't want to "hate" my English friends - I WANT to live in peace. I want our children and our friendship with England grow - not disappear in bitterness but there has to be a healing first.
telemetry9 1 month ago
@telemetry9 If there is any hatred or bitteness it will come from south of the border believe me. Trust in your God and try and find some courage if not for Scotlands sake then for Godsake.
strathpipe 1 month ago
You can't even have a discussion without causing negativity. Just how are you going to contribute positively to Scotland's future? By doing the same old hatred and bitterness that has been going on for centuries? You need to learn some courage and grow up emotionally - instead of throwing your toys out of the pram.
Growing up and being a man is about diplomacy and defusing violence - not inciting or creating conflict and despair in childrens' lives.
You are the SAME OLD answer of ashes.
telemetry9 1 month ago
@telemetry9 - I am pro Scottish independence but believe the new Scotland will be a secular nation with separation of church and state as in the U.S.
It's the 21st century and they will not declare themselves a Christian nation. So sorry to point this out but it is almost a certainty that the land will NOT "belong to god" but to the people governed by a secular democratic parliament.
This would make public prayer, religious holidays and religious schools unconstitutional and so stopped.
WillShakespeare2007 1 month ago
@WillShakespeare2007 It's one thing to oblige to a democratic parliament and seperating church and state, which sounds perfectly reasonable to me. But separation means separation. The state shoudn't outlaw public prayer or religious schools in that spirit of separation otherwise, it's just hypocrisy. And I would like to see the Scottish government or indeed any government trying to scrap all religious holidays like Christmas. Besides religion, it's also a matter of culture
autofreak7 1 month ago
@autofreak7 - "Stopped" was the wrong term as there was not room to explain what I meant. If there is separation of church and state the government could not constitutionally promote a religion and therefore it could not fund religious schools. They do not need to be banned but could not receive money from the public purse. Also Christmas celebration funded by the public purse would have to be secular. Christmas trees YES, nativity scenes NO. This will have to be clear in the constitution.
WillShakespeare2007 1 month ago
@autofreak7 - Cont - sorry I hate leaving two comments together but needed the room I thought. I have written to the SNP several times on this matter as it is a far reaching issue effecting education, public holidays and national identity. Will it be a secular or Christian nation? They have refused to answer as I believe they fear this issue becoming public.
WillShakespeare2007 1 month ago
There's one group of people who'll be ecstatic about a breakup of union. That group is the Europhiles. I don't understand why the SNP who wants Scottish independence is pro EU. They would be breaking from one union and joining another. I don't understand why Scottish people would prefer Brussels to London. At Westminster Scotland has a massive representation. At Brussels Scotland would have almost no power at all. Can someone please tell me what the SNP really stands for?
MrNayl0r 1 month ago
@MrNayl0r God almighty but what a question you really are one Dim FK
strathpipe 1 month ago
Vote UKIP Scotland for a better future!
FredrickDeSherlock 1 month ago
Watching an female English Tory and female English Labourite getting into a proverbial mud wrestling competition, because the SNP were destroying their previously held belief system is very funny.
Ps. sorry to the female race... was just my filthy mind watching these two. LOL
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ScottishRepublican 2 months ago
i more interest in english independence. Good luck @glasgow1234 i hope you get what you want. Id like to see england gain its independence. A Salmond has said that he would still keep the Queen as head of state and not split the armed forces. I dont want that independence for england should mean independence including a new passports, border control etc.
sjoyce100 2 months ago
@sjoyce100 What on earth are you talking about?
Thejazzmantestifies 1 month ago
Warsi is such a moron.
incredibleXMan 2 months ago
The arrogance before the storm.
Crustalshift 2 months ago
@Crustalshift
The Labour Party in Scotland is dead in the water. The only "storm" is the crap coming out of their mouths at this point.
EqualityScotland 2 months ago
@EqualityScotland I agree. The 'storm' I alluded to was the overwhelming result that was returned later that day.
Hopefully, the referendum on Independence will return the same overwhelming majority.
Saor Alba !!
Crustalshift 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian We are sovereign within the union and we will walk out anytime we want! The sovereignty of Scotland lies with the people. It always has. The sovereignty of the rest of the UK lies with the British Government under English law. Sorry to burst your bubble but English law doesn't apply to Scotland. You go on about getting Britain out of the EU so that we can get our power back but then you fail to understand that us Scots want OUR power back.. total hypocrisy
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian The Scots are the sovereign of Scotland, not crown or parliament, as enshrined within Scots law, this was legally recognised by King Robert I of Scots in the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath, who stated that the Scots were the living embodiment of Scottish sovereignty, it was later re-documented in the 1689 Scottish claim of rights.
In England, the English are traditionally subjects with English sovereignty being reserved within the English parliament (a non-entity since 1707).
segano1 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian There is no such thing as 'British sovereignty', Britain is not a country, it's a 1707 political construct, that's why there is no such thing as a 'British flag' or constitution either, the union jack is the UK flag, not the British flag.
Scots law and English common law are two distinct different law systems that serve only their respective nations.
segano1 2 months ago
Well done the only Scottish Government to have the bottle to rid Scotland of the cancer of sectarianism . You've got my vote at the next election, well done
47tont 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian What about it? Does it make everybody who's great great Grandmother Scottish as Scottish too?
Where do you draw the line by what makes you Scottish and what doesn't make you Scottish?
What about the tax base? Why should foreigners and people living on a foreign country decide to vote on a country that they have nothing to do with because they weren't born there and don't live there, if you don't live there why should you vote on Scotland when you've nothing to do with it?
segano1 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian Irish ancestry? WTF does ancestry have to do with it?
Ancestry is irrelevant.
King James VI of Scots formed the United Kingdom in 1603, not the 1707 British construct that was supported by Queen Ann who was the monarch of the time.
The United Kingdom (UK) is a different constitution and pre-dates the political constitution of Great Britain (GB).
Also, King and Kingship doesn't mean the same thing in Scotland like it does in France and England. The Scots are the sovereign.
segano1 2 months ago 3
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mwillis1000 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian Scottish independence is only for the sovereign Scots to decide, Scottish sovereignty is vested in the Scots themselves, it's a Scottish decision.
It is nothing to do with you, the rest of England or any other nation.
Britain is irrelevant, and is merely a 1707 political construct that has way passed it's sell by date and should have died out in the early 80s when the Scots dropped the britshit identity.
segano1 2 months ago
@segano1
"britshit". Love it!
EqualityScotland 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian No, I think he remembers that only 29% want it! But Why would he hold the referendum when the Unionists want it. They didn't win, the SNP did. THEY are the Scottish Government so It will be their choice.
chancergordy 2 months ago
Scotland needs independence we will be a million times better off and in my opinion better people
Sco19951 2 months ago
Iain Gray will be the First Minister? Who?
harp3r100 2 months ago
I personally think the main problem here is that we've all been allowed to think we are still "English", or "Scottish" or "Welsh" or "Irish" too long. These countries shouldn't been dissolved long ago and just have one simple country - Britain. Instead people, even after centuries of interbreeding and blood dilution, still cling to "Scottish" and "English" ancestry. My mums full Scottish and my Dad full English. What am I? British. Idaf about Scotland or England. I'm British, as are you.
IbanezJoey 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian 29% of the population? Sorry, when was the referendum held, did i miss it or something? If you are going by polls, a most recent one put those for independence ahead of those against... Only one poll counts. We will wait for a few years because the SNP want to show Scotland what it's like to be ruled by a majority government that actually gives a damn about us and convince the people that we are best fully governed from Scotland by Scots!
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@BritishLibertarian The Scottish people are not stupid and never in a million years would a Unionist and someone completely against independence vote for the SNP or Alex Salmond, regardless of whether they were sick of the old 3! Yes a lot of the people who voted SNP are not 100% sure about independence but they are not completely against it. The SNP will show what they can do in the next few years and win over those unsure voters and lead us to independence !
glasgow1234 2 months ago 25
Caroline Flint is an anagram of I am an utter cunt.
wullie72 3 months ago
215,000. It's still bad but not nearly as bleak as you paint. However who i am to talk. I've just been laid off this month and still searching for a job. so ffs. P.S i am not for or against anything yet because frankly i don't know enough to have a opinion
iwillsubmitnorthing 3 months ago
@iwillsubmitnorthing Im also apart of the so called lost generation, lost my job this month also, so yeah a worry for me i suppose, but that dont mean englands entire economy is going down the drain, it just means we need to look at our current system and change it, i no theres not 1million unemployed, i was stating if there was with such a small population industry just dont pop up out of nowhere, im not sure how ive come across smug sorry i if did.
topmarkms 3 months ago
@topmarkms I really don't understand why we're fighting. We just seem like 2 guys in the same position to be honest and it doesn't matter where you live it's the same however i refuse to believe we're lost. We're get up again even though just searching for volunteer work is a pain but I was just surprised by your statement because of the brave-heart thing. You're last comment before this was fine and the one i am replying to. Anyway lets just forget it
iwillsubmitnorthing 3 months ago
@iwillsubmitnorthing Yh not sure why we are to be honest aha, yeah i think the lost generation stuff is just the media trying to shame the goverment, hopefully anyway, sorry if the braveheart thing offended you, i was aiming that at a certain group of peaple, but yeah good luck out there dude.
topmarkms 3 months ago
Dont all you scottish find it pointless leaving the united kingdom then joining the EU, wheres this so called independance in that?, your nation will be as fucked up at ireland, yes scotland has natural gases, but thats it!, scotland has mass unemployment, but i guess its the unemployed who sit watching braveheart and think voting for independance will make a difference, well all i can say is good luck!
topmarkms 3 months ago
@topmarkms Dude, doesn't England have mass unemployment? Oh i must have imagined that in my head that every single country apart from germany was suffering and facing mass unemployment figures? I must have been dreaming that there were riots in your country just this summer, student protests and i also must have been smoking drugs when i saw those protesters outside the church? YEs England is doing fantastic. NOT
iwillsubmitnorthing 3 months ago
@iwillsubmitnorthing The difference is that england has over 60 million peaple, so it still has a secure economy its just the nations youngsters that have not been given a chance so its called a worry, whats scotlands population like 5 million?, so if theres 1 million unemployed its more then a worry, im not trying to degrade scotland im just explaining that this so called freedom from the english is aload of bullshit, i mean wheres the freedom in leaving the uk and joining the eu?
topmarkms 3 months ago
@topmarkms I am not even debating that. I am debating your smug arrogance. No one has any reason to talk right now about anyone. I am just pointing out facts and is your youngest population being left behind not a worry for you. Someone will have to take care of the aging population, won't they? The young people such as myself won't take care of those who didn't support them and i am not saying that to be nasty. I am saying that because it's true. P.S there isn't 1 million unemployed.
iwillsubmitnorthing 3 months ago
"Iain Gray will be the first minister"?
Ha! He's too busy running away.
EqualityScotland 4 months ago
Well said putting these unionists in there place.We dont get free stuff to.We pay for it with our taxes.Free stuff is a myth.Nothing is for free.This is why we are so heavilly taxed.We also pay the high petrol prices,the worst in UK and Europe.When its us that own it.What is that all about?
legandrydirk 4 months ago
I'm English and bring on Scottish independence! England is getting a raw deal, I especially look forwards to when Scotland has to take its fair share of the national debt. England subsidizes both Wales and Scotland. How will Scotland pay for all the free stuff their people get? Iceland, Greece, Portugal, Ireland... Scotland!
ihavekankles 4 months ago
@ihavekankles According to official figures from Holyrood & HM Treasury, Scotland is net CONTRIBUTOR to the UK economy. Scotland is well placed to take it's fair share of UK debt. Don't take my word for it, do your own research instead of parroting what you read in the unionist media. The only people more dangerous than the ignorant are the deceived.
markgr101 4 months ago
the North Sea Oil belongs to the Shetland Isles you thieving Scottish CUNTS.
Independence for Shetlands!!!!!!
slothgoonies 4 months ago
@slothgoonies yes! independence for Wales, Northern Ireland, Cornwall and Devon, North East england back into the new, independant Scotland with Berwick. Longtown etc. You are a warmongering thieving race!
England as a country are forgiven but your meddling and interfering are NEVER FORGOTTEN.
chancergordy 2 months ago
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If the scots do get a referendum they better win because they could never live down the shame and embaressment and they will forever be seen as full of hot air and will not be taken seriously.
And they will be abused by the british government and they wont have the trump card of threatening to leave the union anymore which currently gives them more power than they would normally have.
So you scots damn well better vote for independance cos your life will be much worse if you don't.
Amunication 4 months ago
The SNP must now get out of the green dreamword and invest in north sea oil and shale gas to grow our economy out of recession. Neither wind turbines or tidal power can produce enough energy for our needs in a cooling planet.
david222444 5 months ago
@david222444 Absolute nonsense, green energy is worth a fortune.
BonnieBlueFlag1314 4 months ago
@BonnieBlueFlag1314 You are living in La La land. Green energy is useless in its present form and will need coal and gas fired power stations to back it up in freezing cold winters. How many winturbines to produce enough steel to make a car? Go back to your dark ages and let our country grow. Atmospheric co2 enhancement benefits all life on the Plant which has now started to cool abruptly, if you have not noticed. Carbon dioxide is a mere product of past warming caused by the Sun.
david222444 4 months ago
@david222444 err... righto, a bit of pseudo-science to go with your ignorance of other matters.
BonnieBlueFlag1314 4 months ago
@BonnieBlueFlag1314 Do not be so arrogant as to call me ignorant. The public smells a rat and the rat is the Green agenda and the false claim that man can change the climate. The pseudo-science is the greenhouse theory that co2 can drive the climate. The computer models are wrong Now go watch the teletubbies along with the other BBC propaganda.
david222444 4 months ago
Give them snottland back n let the cunts pay there own way
trojanoutwood 5 months ago
Caroline obviously doesn't follow our parliament very closely as the tories have voted alongside labour more than any other party.
new labour = old tories.
vote independence.
rolandsausage 5 months ago
dont vote Caroline Flint into power again please
MrScottishJamie 5 months ago 2
what a bitch, to be fair
KosAAAGH 6 months ago
NO TO INDEPENDENCE! YES TO BRITAIN!!
LDN235 6 months ago 2
@LDN235 Why?
scotchprofessor 6 months ago
@scotchprofessor Because only 1/3 of people in Scotland want independence
LDN235 6 months ago
yay to Scots independence!! We will have the st George cross on the victoria tower soon. And the scots will have that pathetic little Holyrood :-)
ukipwarrior 6 months ago
@ukipwarrior Thank you for the agreement on Scottish independence; it is indeed on its way. I'd just like to ask why you feel the need to put Scotland down? What would you like to say?
scotchprofessor 6 months ago
@scotchprofessor Im sick of subsidizing free everything in your socialistic nation. VOTE freedom VOTE Scotland!! Cant wait for that day love from Aengland xx
ukipwarrior 6 months ago
@ukipwarrior You're subsidising nothing. Scotland has a net input into Westminster finances. Similarly, we pay for 8% of BBC funding, yet receive only 4% of networked representation. We pay for your tv Leaders' Debates for example, and aren't represented. We supply you with our oil, our gas, our water, even our police officers when your youth is rioting. Could you supply me with figures that show where England is subsidising Scotland?
scotchprofessor 6 months ago
@scotchprofessor Mclaren, Barclays, Manchester United, Formula 1, Marks & Spencer, Morrisons, Asda, next, Tetleys, Unilever, Jet2, Sainsburys, Waitrose, English Premier leauge, Lotus, Jaguar, Bentley, ITV, Tesco, Vodafone, O2, etc!! How the fuck re you going to raise money!! RBS had a balance sheet 15 times the size of the weak scots economy,
ukipwarrior 6 months ago
@ukipwarrior Chemicals, Coke, Refined Oils, Petroleum, Nuclear Fuel. Already that's over a tens of billions. Whisky alone is worth more than Tetley, Jaguar, McLaren, Waitrose. Scotland generates 194 billion per year, more than enough, that much annual income gives Scotland a per capita of around $40k.
truefalse 6 months ago
@truefalse Government spending in Scotland averaged £10,212 per person last year – £1,624 per head more than in England.
ukipwarrior 6 months ago
@ukipwarrior More gets spent per person in London which has nearly 3x more population than Scotland, I seen the article, it is a racist attack to further the divide between England & Scotland. If you went into the slums of Birmingham & London, it can go up to 20k per person.
truefalse 6 months ago
@truefalse Forget the evidence just Vote YES pleeeeease :-)
ukipwarrior 6 months ago
@ukipwarrior UKIP applies to Scotland as well, there is no real English party.
truefalse 6 months ago
@truefalse English Democrats
ukipwarrior 6 months ago
@ukipwarrior Why don't you vote them then instead of a dumb Union that I hate.
truefalse 6 months ago
@ukipwarrior You say you're against the 'union', yet your very name is 'UKIPwarrior'. You seem like an English nationalist, yet employ US English spelling varieties. Equally, I'd ask if your spelling of 'Aengland' is intentional. And you really don't need to use ALLCAPS; I'm a keen voter, thank you.
scotchprofessor 6 months ago
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ukipwarrior 6 months ago
Respond to this video... UKIP support an english parliament and plus the union has consent at least for now until the Scots break away. 2014?? the anniversary of bannocburn right????
ukipwarrior 6 months ago
@ukipwarrior If this is a reply for me - as it landed in my inbox - I've no idea what it means. It's a collection of random thought and expression. You've completely evaded my previously made points.
scotchprofessor 6 months ago
I really can't get this whole idea that Scottish Liberal Democrat voters voted for the SNP but didn't vote for independence. The Liberal Democrats are a UNIONIST party so wouldn't it have made sense for those voters for vote for another UNIONIST party - Labour or Tories.... The Scots people know what the SNP stand for at its core and no unionist in a million years would have voted SNP !
glasgow1234 7 months ago
Damn snp, make the countries of the uk smaller in the eyes of the world why dont you.... Give up everthing that britain fought for, might as well. Together we stand apart we fall, you can have pride in your nation and not be a totally independent. Dont get me wrong i love the scots, but throwing away the uk on a whim when times are hard is silly.
dodudumdumdum 8 months ago
@dodudumdumdum the tories being unfair on the scots is making this union untrustful
MrScottishJamie 8 months ago
@MrScottishJamie i agree, Cameron is a backstabber, but relations between scots, welshmen, elglishmen and to lesser extent irishmen run deep, just because times are abit difficult not doesn't mean they will be much better in the future
dodudumdumdum 8 months ago
@dodudumdumdum the tories have a punish the scots rep and that why some english vote tory to give the scots a hard time if people want full devolution they will be a option there for it as well as independence
devolution is u have your policies and cash and scotland has our own policies and cash but the problem is the scots still have to get involved in the wars england has the scots will not stay just to get abused again from the next tory pm
MrScottishJamie 8 months ago
@dodudumdumdum the uk is finished ' the problem is the average english voter has not woken up to that and started voting in there own intrest yet .
MrStewart149 7 months ago
@dodudumdumdum Fuck Britain! All Britain was was a 1707 political construct that well more than passed it's own sell by date, it should really have died in the early 80's.
It's also none of your business weather Scotland wants this rancid union to remain or not, it's strictly up to the Scots, the sovereign, weather they want to stay or not, and the chances are getting smaller each and every week.
Scotland works far better when it controls it's own affairs as the last term has clearly shown.
segano1 7 months ago
@segano1 the uk is the union you idiot, by saying fuck britian your saying fuck wales, england and scotland, britian is a geographical term NOT a political one, and while i respect your opinion i don't agree, scotland DOES control its own affairs already, or at least much of them, scotland has local parliament where england does not, get the idea of scots being repressed by england (if thats what you meant) out of your head because its not true. i'd like to know why you want independence tbh :)
dodudumdumdum 7 months ago
Flint the Bint . . . another Nu-Labour Blair groupie - useless!
VOTESNP 9 months ago
Scotland is a fucking joke along with England, Wales and even Ireland. Should we sit back and watch the entire continent become a part of south east asia?
You get a moral high out of letting immigrants over run your countries but you refuse to see the effects this may have.
One day you will pay for betraying us.
worstusernameeva 9 months ago
I voted SNP twice, cos I support a free, proud, optimistic and independent Scotland!
Saor Alba!
BongoBrido 9 months ago 8
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@BongoBrido
I support English freedom from Scotland.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
You couldn't throw a stick in a Glasgow street without hitting a traditional Labour voter who voted SNP in 2011... the idea that all Lib-dem votes went exclusively to the SNP is more Labour fantasy with a side order of sour grapes! Saor Alba :)
BongoBrido 9 months ago 4
english cunts
ThePerch75 9 months ago
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MrFlibble2011 9 months ago
I voted SNP on May 5th because i support Scottish Independence
ThePerch75 9 months ago 7
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MrFlibble2011 9 months ago
'Aye' For INDEPENDENCE !
I voted SNP on May 5th because i support Scottish Independence.
*Thumbs up if that is the reason u voted SNP*
glasgow1234 10 months ago 89
@glasgow1234 do you really think people will actually care about the referendum in 2015.
maccamacca87 4 months ago
@maccamacca87 Well from the results of the 2011 Scottish election and even from the thumbs up on my comment, i would say the Scottish people will care very much about their own future.
glasgow1234 4 months ago
@glasgow1234 But then what, do you guys really think outside of your country people won't try to exploit it.
plus do you really think you guys will get a majority in the referendum, the SNP may have a majority, but do a majority of the Scottish people really want this, i'm sorry but all i can see is the troubles happening all over again.
maccamacca87 4 months ago
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@glasgow1234 all i'm saying is do you really want to be seperated from your English brethren?
maccamacca87 4 months ago
@glasgow1234 yess yes BE FURTHER DIVIDED FORMER BRITISH EMPIRE SCOTLAND IS NOTHING WITH OUT ENGLAND NEXT YOULL ALL BE LIKE PAKISTAN AND INDIA INFIGHTING BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER YOUR ALL BROTHERS WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT THAT BRITAIN IS AWESOME IT DID GREAT
THINGS WHY DO YOU WANT INDEPENCE.
Abbadon380 3 months ago
@Abbadon380 Scotland is nothing without England? Please explain what you mean by that? I have no idea. And no, we will not be like Pakistan and India. This is 2011 Europe my friend. the days of going to war with our neighbours are long gone. And no, i actually have only one brother... my mother never had anymore sons. I would rather accept that Scotland is awesome and look forward to the things us Scots can achieve with independence. Why do we want independence? Does that even need answering?
glasgow1234 3 months ago
@glasgow1234 actually it kinda does need answering its not as if you were down graded as second class citizens by them and economically oppresed arent there scottish politicians in the UK parliment arent you brothers with your english counterparts in the south
Abbadon380 3 months ago
@Abbadon380 Still waiting for you to tell me how Scotland is nothing without England? We want independence so that we can be like every other nation in the world, controlling everything affecting us, raising & spending our own money and making our own choices in the best interests of our people. We are more than capable of doing that ourselves rather than allowing another government to do it for us. I wish people like you would get it into your heads - It has nothing to do with hating England
glasgow1234 3 months ago 16
@glasgow1234 hmm i get the point i was wrong to think scotland would be nothing without england i concede i disagree upon breaking up the UK but i cant make a better argument good luck to you in preserving your soon to be or not to be independent nations culture from being Islamafied because englands lost to them
Abbadon380 3 months ago
@glasgow1234 Well then shut the fuck up and stop putting more problems on England whiles we asre trying to fix more important stuff scotland been apart of uk for 300 and we became world power and we still a strong nation you get indepence then we will be a easy target for invasiona nd we havent been invaded for 1000 years.
Now stop crying about it your never going to get and et a job and work and help our nations together as one be great again.
tehXade 2 months ago
@tehXade Sorry i had trouble trying to understand you at times reading that. How exactly am i putting more problems on England? Yes we BECAME a world power but those days are long gone... the union is DEAD! And we want out! And who exactly is going to invade us. Just because we would both be independent doesn't mean we wouldn't defend our island together. It doesn't sound like i am the one who is crying about things haha. I know for a fact Scotland will be independent soon and so do you
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@glasgow1234 I know where your coming from but i just dont see the point your country having independence? like there is bigger issues to fix then to sit there and plame everythink on england,we just need a better goverment nothink to do with your country be ruled by us, in my opion i just reckon our nations are better as one and stronger surely you got to understanf that?
tehXade 2 months ago
@tehXade I'm getting tired of saying this now. We don't want independence because we are ruled by England (which we are not) or because we think England is to blame for everything. We want independence because that is the normal progression for any nation! We want to govern ourselves. What is so hard for you to understand that? We don't want to be ruled from London anymore just like all the other countries before us who wanted independence from London! It's not a new thing!
glasgow1234 2 months ago 9
@tehXade ''we asre trying to fix more important stuff''
.....and you will make an ''asre'' of that too !!
Crustalshift 2 months ago
@glasgow1234
I support English freedom from Scotland.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
@mwillis1000 English freedom from Scotland? Please explain what you mean by that as i'm lost. I support Scottish independence from the United Kingdom.
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@glasgow1234
Well, Scotland started this union, and they made each country (Exept England) have a parliment, and they can each pass or stop laws etc in England without English any English say.
England is the most hard done by, by this union.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
@mwillis1000 Perhaps go and have a look at ur history. The political union was formed by the Parliaments of Scotland AND England. The people of Scotland at the time were totally against it with many riots and protests held. How did Scotland make Wales and Northern Ireland get assemblies? If the people of England want a parliament then they should campaign for it. We in Scotland get what we want because we call out for it ! And England and Scotland have two different legal systems
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@glasgow1234
The English government afreed to a union, but it was all aranged etc by the Scots, and the first king was a Scot. The reasons why Scotland wanted a union was because they failed to create an empire 3 times, and lost most of their money in doing so, England on the other hand was expanding their emipre and growing rich, so Scotland wanted some.
Many Enlish people want and have tried for an English parliment, all requests have been rejected.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
@mwillis1000 The English parliament wasn't forced into doing anything! The people of Scotland and England at that time were totally against it, you need to know that! It was the super rich MPs and noblemen who put the union together. The union was formed roughly 100 years after the first Scottish king of Britain.No, many English people haven't tried. If you all really wanted a parliament so bad then there would be mass protests, petitions calling for it. Why do u think there hasn't?
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@glasgow1234
As i said, England agreed with it, but didnt start it. How do you know? Have you asked people or are you just guessing? I know that English people have, so much so that English independance parties have been set up.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
@mwillis1000 Both our countries went into the union as two equal nations and if one of those countries wants to leave, then the other can't stop it. If the people of England really wanted an English Parliament then they would vote for a political party such as the English democrats who call for it. They came 13th in list of parties with most votes in the last UK election. Hardly a big cry for an English Parliament! Please understand though that i fully support an English Parliament.
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@glasgow1234
Nope, why dont we have a parliment then? Why can Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales make laws etc for England and we can do nothing? Scotland proposed the union and England agreed, England didnt start the union it was Scotland. People do vote for English democrats (Not many though). Many English people dont know the full facts anyway.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
@mwillis1000 You don't have a parliament because your government chooses not to give you one. That is hardly Scotland's fault ! Erm, Scotland has a completely different legal system and always had. We make laws for Scotland, not England. Does it really matter who started what? It's all coming to an end anyway. I support an independent England as i do an independent Scotland. I am all for fairness as you are. Scots governing Scotland, English governing England. Don't you agree?
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@glasgow1234
Well, because Scotland didnt let us, and the countless times people have asked for one, they have ALL been rejected. My government is also yours. Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales all make choices for England, while we have no say in the matter.
Yes, i do agree. But i would prefer the union to say actually, we are much better off together.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
@mwillis1000 Scotland didn't let yous? WHAT are you talking about? Seriously? I have NEVER heard a majority call for an English Parliament. The UK Parliament is the parliament of all four nations of the UK. It is is made up of 533 English MPs, while Scotland has only 59... We are hardly making choices for England while you have no say in the matter. What choices is it that we have made for England?
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@glasgow1234
Just type up English parliment.
Yes you are, Scotland makes choices for England.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
@mwillis1000 First time i have came across such websites calling for an English parliament. Look, let's get one thing straight. I SUPPORT you! Scottish Nationalists are COMPLETELY misunderstood by the majority of English people. We don't hate England. We hate the unfair UK which we are part of. I support an English Parliament ! And the SNP has NEVER voted on any issue affecting England. Lib dem and labour MPs from Scotland, Wales and NI do. I agree it is completely unfair !
glasgow1234 2 months ago
@mwillis1000, but we aren't better off together.
example. Ewhenever there were meetings in Brussels re' fishing quotas for the EU nations, The British governments would sacrifice UK fish quotas in return for better farming and agricultural deals. For A country like England this was excellent because Englands farming industry is massive compared to their fishing industry. For Scotand it is opposite way round. Scotland has the EUs largest fishing grounds but what has happened to this industry?
chancergordy 2 months ago
@chancergordy
There are more advantages than disadvantages.
mwillis1000 2 months ago
Caroline Flint - A person that has never run anything and wants to run everything!
coltrane1966 10 months ago 2
She is the hottest mp by miles though...that count for a lot in a land of the uglies.
PlanetEarthAwakens01 10 months ago
Caroline Flint - Education Background : Degree in American Literature and Film Studies from the Polytechnic of East Anglia.
Career Backgrpund : Joined a Council as "Equal Opportunity Officer" and "Welfare and Staff Development Officer".
Yet another Labour MP with far below average academic qualifications whom went on to use the labour network to secure a non-job in a labour council.
what qualification does this woman have to pass any opinion on any matter ?
kbdkbd99 10 months ago 21
@kbdkbd99 so what qualifications does she need? If we had it your way only oxford and cambridge elite would have a say. She was fairly voted in you fool.
Caesarslegion1 2 months ago
What a horrible woman, not too keen on Warsi either.
MODTRASH 10 months ago 10
The truth is the SNP have improved Scotland in the last few years, they have a great leader and a man who can destroy any of the morons Labour put up who simply whine about losing money if independence comes - nothing like self interest - well it's time to be big boys and run your own affairs and not be judged by false measurements. The London parties are failing. The SNP are a real alternative. I bet English people would love a genuine alternative to the ugly sisters and the Lib Dem leeches.
MrHarrylime79 10 months ago 3
@MrHarrylime79 The English are stupid when it comes to 2 things, the economy and their choice of political party's.
MrGilles1990 10 months ago 2
@MrHarrylime79 Of course. The problem is that if we elected a nationalist party here the left would shit an absolute brick and cry racism, claiming we're hateful towards scots, the welsh and Irish. Meanwhile in reality, people in wales, scotland and northern ireland wouldn't actually have any problem with it.
roflcopter2006 10 months ago
@roflcopter2006 You know what pal, the English, the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish are all great people who deserve to be represented and their interests too -they are separate in many ways. It's the British I have a problem with. The tuition fee issue in England is simply disgusting and I feel hear sorry for kids in England getting screwed like this. Thankfully the SNP sorted that out in Scotland.
MrHarrylime79 10 months ago
oh yeah SNP Won majority
MrScottishJamie 10 months ago 2
That's a new one on me, interrupting someone then saying "...if I can get a word in".
FreddyTheJumpingCat 10 months ago 2
Hmm do you think maybe the chance of a referendum has swayed the vote? Given that the voting demonstrates there's next to 0 support for ConDem north of the border?
cheyaura 10 months ago