The Joy Behar Show - Christopher Hitchens vs Pastor Douglas Wilson

[j3parrots]

sorry not clever reasonable, sane

[j3parrots]

what a ridiculous start to an argument from the pasture, sorry to say typically American or "in the bubble", I feel for you clever Americans I know there are vast numbers of you

[10290gilmore]

I am an American....and yes most of us are fucked; thats why the United States is on a steady trajectory toward the plutocratic abyss.

[brettcody76]

I was hoping for maturity...oh well...

[LouisvilleHI]

What I can't get over from this video is the hubris of Wilson asserting that God is "self-evident". OK, so God's obvious. So, explain God's existence to somebody who honestly doesn't see this obviousness. I honestly don't. Without referring to faith, or your smug, humorless, pious assertions, prove God in any way. Just one shred of evidence. That's all I ask. Why are you keeping this evidence away from me? Because I'm already supposed to see it? But, again, honestly I DO NOT.

[FM897]

I knew I shouldn't have watched this. It's so sad that Christopher Hitchens is no longer alive :(

[ChipArgyle]

God can't possibly be self-evident. If that was true, there would be no atheists.

Of course the burden of proof is on the believer. Show us your God, please. Oh that's right, you can't because He's too busy playing hide and seek with us, pretending He doesn't exist, despite the massive ego He's displayed time and again throughout the Bible that would make such action impossible. You have to make Him unfalsifiable in order for Him to even possibly exist. It's silliness.

[lafontaine13]

hitch, i love you...but how could you stand being in the same room as that bitch

[themonkeywrench]

God instilled a moral conscience within us telling us that murdering, lying, stealing, etc. are not good things to do. Of course, this wasn't enough which is why I think God gave us the Old Testament and then capped it all off with the Old Testament, but it does mean that people who weren't raised Christian still have as much of a conscience as people who were. They just don't know where the conscience came from.

[mrtadreamer]

if atheist can be good without God, then why aren't they?

[Healgasm]

@mrtadreamer The Federal Bureau of Prisons has statistics on religious affiliations of inmates. The following are number of inmates per religion category: Catholic 39.164% Protestant 35.008% Muslim 7.273% American Indian 3.222% Nation 2.320% Rasta 1.987% Jewish 1.773% Church of Christ 1.744% Pentecostal 1.463% Moorish 1.426% Buddhist 1.180% Jehovah Witness 0.890% Adventist 0.831% Orthodox 0.502% Mormon 0.399% Scientology 0.254% Atheist 0.209%. Atheists are "good" w/o God.

[kingofthering24]

@mrtadreamer If Christians are Good with God, how come there are so many followers commiting crimes of murder, rape, child abuse, terrorist attacks, racism, sexism, hate speech, oppression, waging wars and causing ignorance and hatred?

[mrtadreamer]

@kingofthering24 they aren't

[kingofthering24]

@mrtadreamer They aren't....aren't what?

[mrtadreamer]

@kingofthering24 practicing the vile crimes listed above.

[kingofthering24]

@mrtadreamer The majority of prisoners of violent crimes *murder, rape, terrorism* are religious, terrorists are usually driven by a religious reason, the catholic church regularly covers up child abuse, racism, sexism and oppression not only exists in the bible, but is preeched by religious people now *see islam, KKK, WBC* The crusades were all religious wars and the puritans went to America to force religion, leaving England because of the freedom of religion act.

[mrtadreamer]

@kingofthering24 Christians do not practice such things. cathalichism is apostate. you don't understand the Bible. its wars were just wars, and if you have read it,, then God holds you resonsible for what you have read. Christians do not practice islam. if they were "islamic" in nature, they would be killing you wholesale for how you blaspheme the God of christianity. the crusades stopped the advance of islam. God established a new nation based on Biblical princibles through the Puritens.

[blackdove66]

@blackdove66 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things." ROMANS 2:1

[mrtadreamer]

@blackdove66 sorry, but that's the way it is.

[blackdove66]

@mrtadreamer Hi mrtadreamer! OK, what is the way it is?

[blackdove66]

@mrtadreamer "Killing you wholesale"?!! I'm sorry, don't mistake the Holocaust and the Inquisition for the works of Islam, not to mention the genocide that is well documented that was carried out by crusaders...in your view "catholicism is apostate", then what about slavery and the treatment of natives, you usurped their lands! Right? Dude, I'm not here to point fingers, why don't you live your life and leave Muslims and Jews and Catholics alone. Live and let live. Peace be to you.

[kingofthering24]

@mrtadreamer I don't even know where to begin on how wrong you are. the Catholic church is one of the biggest religions in the world. Its wars were driven by God, it even says that "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites... (vss. 1-2) And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. (vs. 7)* Thats in YOUR book, Islam, is just as peaceful, and peaceful people (Boxer, Ali, for instance)

[happyhomemaker1995]

@kingofthering24 If there is an evil one, Satan, then where do you think he could do the most damage?In the name of religion.Consider this verse from Matthew:18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

[happyhomemaker1995]

@kingofthering Also, here is another scriptural reference to "good fruit". Galatians 5 Now the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness faithfulness, gentleness, and self control.

[lightandbeautiful]

Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.

A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.

Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.

[sorsocksfake]

"so does google!" Lovely. Our google, who art on the net, hallowed be thy trademark, thy search results come, thy research be done on streetview as it is on the net. Give us today our daily links, and forgive us our typos, as we forgive any useless links offered. And lead us not onto silly sites, but deliver us from ignorance NEMA!

[DubheadKazu]

I agree with Christopher Hitchens so much. Douglas' arguments are invalid, and he is just talking trash.

Finally a debate where the Atheist also have something to say.

[BobaBiba]

lmao

[MrNemitri]

Flawless victory for Hitchens

[TaoPiet]

This 'debate' is a complete mess. Just let talk a dog to a cow and let a goat do the interview and you have the same level of rational discussing. A waste of time. Sad.

[metalbandsrule]

Come on...we're manimals and we talk

[ViperRob42]

Wow that pastor is not smart... at all.

[lighterbuds]

religion is BS

[mrbrianmccarthy]

Htchens destroys this guy.

[lighterbuds]

@mrbrianmccarthy i'd destroy that guy too. they have no answers or thought.

[USZgxc151orbital]

omg. never knew this woman had her own show

[RaggedM88]

0:23 you can see the fear in Wilson's eyes before the talk starts...

[MeBeMat]

So.....we should worship Google?

[PhreakStep]

Like pastor says you need to prove there is no unicorn in order to not believe in it.

[aaqaaqaaqaaqaaqaaqaa]

He sure is fat for someone fearing god. Glutton! Burn in hell!

[Justen1980]

i sit at home being athiest while everyone else gets to go to the social club and have fun :(

[roont]

@Justen1980

Dude, there are many organizations that promote atheism, free thinking, secularlism, seperation of church and state, and skepticism. Check out CFI! (Center for Inquiry) I just joined up in Toronto, (there are many branches out there) and they regular hold social events. Just a few weeks ago I went to "The God Aweful Comedy Show" that is all based on atheism.

[JoshwithaJ]

How the fuck can pastor Wilson maintain a straight face as he looks Joy in the eye and says "duhhh....yes i believe in talking snake....duhhh....yes i believe in big boat with animals...duhhhhh" WHAT THE FUCK? How is it possible that it's 2011 and people like this are given national platforms from which to spout off on their favorite fairy tales??? AMAZING!! You Americans are fucked!

[Pantera4LifeXTX]

@JoshwithaJ Goddamn Right! Tell me about it! I'm living in the Babble Belt (excuse me) Buy Bull Belt of the south. Feels like Pakistan where Atheism might get you killed. Surrounded by religulous zealots. FUCK!

[brettcody76]

@JoshwithaJ Clean up your language, please.

[JoshwithaJ]

@brettcody76 FUCK YOU!!!

[robelstable]

Sweden sucks, don't worry you can sit back Sweden and never get your hands dirty and claim to be all self righteous and shit while we fight all the bad guys, for better or worse

[Springheel01]

"We're animals, and we talk."

WTF?? So because people can talk, then talking snakes make sense. I guess he could also believe in horses that drive cars or pigs that order take-out.

I can't believe how lame that sounds.

[PurushaDesa]

"I'm not interested in trying to dilute the Bible to make it acceptable to people."

Wow. No, much better to keep intact in its resolutely unacceptable form. Well you gotta admire the honesty.

Have you considered that Islam may be more to your liking then, sir?

[dgb751]

there is a little, near-extinct, fox here in central california called the san joaquin kit fox, i supposed it walked and swam to the middle east and got on the ark, then returned.

[aquariumgoldfish]

The poorest countries in the world are among the most religious. I don't think its a coincidence.

[mscaribqueen24]

@aquariumgoldfish I agree- 200%!!! As a citizen of the US, an extremely wealthy nation, I find it disgusting that the majority of population is religious.

[bigbengamer]

@aquariumgoldfish As religion increases in the United States, so does its debt...

[knmurphy1]

I wish there was a God in Heaven waiting for us. Sadly, I believe he is as real as the Tooth Fairy or Santa. I dont know why we are here but I'm sure natural processes which we do not yet understand will eventually give us the answer.

[knmurphy1]

There is no evidence for God therefore there is no debate.

[hlyleh]

Why did it cut off? It was getting good!

[BIJMOZ]

"Does a Ford automobile have the burden of proof blah blah" ONE FALSE ANALOGY AFTER ANOTHER FROM THESE RELIGIOUS NUTS. you can see just how simple-minded they are.

[dangerics]

@BIJMOZ Right on. Yes, those who claim Ford existed (people, not the fucking cars) have the burden of proof, AND THEY'VE MET IT! Not so with those who claim god (any god, jot just the Xian god) exists.

[sparky7718]

So if somebody doesn't believe in Bigfoot, it's up to them to prove that he does NOT exist ?....hahahahaha ! whatever.

[lewisner]

@sparky7718 The question is "does Bigfoot believe we exist?".

[5k1killer]

i hope Joy Behar dies! SLOW... by a Muslim terrorist!

[xamot27]

why didnt noah swat the two mosquitos??!?!??!

[jogeryjogo]

@xamot27 God ordered him to save ALL species, he wasn't allowed to pick and choose which ones were allowed to live.

[xamot27]

@jogeryjogo youre joking right?

[1RadicalOne]

I assume this includes the millions of species of insects, and the millions of lethal pathogens?

[dangerics]

@1RadicalOne How many petri dishes must Noah have had on the ark? I'm picturing shelves upon shelves of tiny clay pots.

[1RadicalOne]

And what of cross-contamination, I wonder? Bacteria and viruses are rather good at that.

[Blahutv0]

@dangerics The only explanation for the Noahs ark is that Noah is a timelord, seeing as timelord technology allows for something to be bigger on the inside than on the outside.

[dangerics]

@Blahutv0 Right. You should run with this idea and start a religion. You'll make millions. Unless of course you have a conscience! :P

[xamot27]

the claimee has to show proof!!! jesus christ!!! idiot!!

[JOMO59]

Wilson's premise that "believers" don't have the burden of proof is ridiculous on its face. Since it is circular reasoning par excellence. If it were truly as "self-evident" as he claims, then his need or desire to enter into these debates is luducrous to engage in. Indeed, the very reason there are debates among so many (other than when mere disagreement during vrious points in history was punished by death by religious authorities) is because it is NOT self evident.

[szapryanov3]

Its so sad that is funny, grown people believing in talking snakes, 6ooo year old Earth, a boat with all animals. We are the center of the Universe even though 99 % of all species are gone. There are about 4oo thousand billion observable Galaxies and they are created with a plan. Black holes, nuclear explosions and constant violent events are part of the plan for our existance. The creator of that all showed himself in primitive Palestine by sacrafice of an excentric preacher? Really? Really?

[planetdarwin]

Wilson's face at 7:01 after Christopher says "the story isn't true". LOL

[planetdarwin]

Can't the theists find anyone to articulate their side effectively? I've never heard a good logical debate argument for the existence of gods. :/

[mill101]

Again, CH Hitchslaps the bearded idiot. TOO EASY.

[comeonfolks]

That Hitchens first says that people who believe in an all knowing God are not modest. That preacher says that it can humble. Then that Hitchens changes his point of view. Plus, Hitchens somehow thinks that he can decide what is moral? He is the supreme ruler of what is moral? How concetited.

On morality, we don't do what we do just because of instinct. A bunch of wild animals will EAT A. Their babies, B. Other animals (of the same species) babies. Humans don't. We have moral.

[utsawin09]

even the poor pastor is bereft of logic ,. i do respect his peaceful and steady manner,...contrary to other obnoxious self righteous dogmatic christians i have seen debating

[metalfaced0om]

how can hitchens continue to debate this fucktard?

[metalfaced0om]

Burden of proof? really??

[dannyz780]

2:20

Actually, atheists DO say that there is no God lol

[LFZ15]

@dannyz780 Actually atheism is lack of belief in a god or gods. There are very few gnostic atheists out there, ie atheists who say with complete assurance that there is no god or gods.

[dannyz780]

@LFZ15

Then there are very few atheists. Look it up, it is the belief that there is no God, not lack of belief.

[LFZ15]

@dannyz780 Well there are two different definitions, commonly atheist is used to describe people who assert there are no god or gods, but technically it's simply a lack of belief in god or gods. Really there is nothing to argue about here.

[dannyz780]

@LFZ15

Lol really, it IS the assertion that there is no God. Otherwise, certain babies would be atheists.

[LFZ15]

@dannyz780 Look in a dictionary, jesus christ. I'm done here.

[dannyz780]

@LFZ15

I did too,

:the theory or belief that God does not exist.

:)

[sammyjs1983]

im a proud christian :)

[MrDurcon]

Wait why does Joy Behar have a show? Really she has one?

[curriejean]

Wow, Joy's somewhat awesome here. :D

[roac7777]

Where believers fail is in the fact they rely on opinion and scripture which is not evidence based.

[Tiger66261]

Christians arguement for talking snakes -

Us Humans can talk, so that means snakes can!

[thundaRhymez]

@Tiger66261 what language do u suppose the snake spoke? what dialect? did u think about that you stupid shit? oh of course, the snake learned dutch during his tour through eroupe with his graduating class... c'mon u RELIGIOUS FREAK!

[Tiger66261]

@thundaRhymez just wow.... I was fucking joking to take the piss out of religous nut heads.

Now get the fuck outta here, people like you will give athiests a bad name...

[mrsquishyboots]

cry about corporate socialism fomasterphanovitch

[louiscfc93]

if christians say that the universe had to have a creator then who created god ?

[fomastephanovitch]

Religion poisons everything and this 100 year old one called socialism is currently poisoning the well of prosperity and the marketplace of ideas.

A Weberian personality cult is currently bankrupting the United States of America.

[MaximusRelaximus]

Joy (and even Whoopi, to a slightly lesser extent, imo) were way too intelligent to ever have been part of that absurd show, The View. Not that that's saying a whole lot, but there it is.

[smckenzie25]

Lol... "well WE are talking animals?" -paster (shooting himself in the foot by indirectly agreeing we are evolved primates)

[statickk14]

This pastor looks a man with sense of logic!!

[superduperjew]

Religion only hurts countries.

[Hadrianwho]

Religion hurts...Jesus saves..two different things all together.

[st4rk1ll3r666]

@Hadrianwho Jesus is the fictional construct of a fickle and outdated religion. He is just as fictitious as God is

[DamonIcke]

Behar is a fool, asking stupid questions of Hitchens like,"Do you believe in the parting of the Red Sea?". Like he was going to say yes to that after saying "No" to everything else.

[Hadrianwho]

Sweden is a country with a strong Christian foundation. It's like someone who builds your house, you move in a brag about what a strong house it is but you had nothing to do with the fact that your house is strong house, and insult the person who build it after they are gone.

[MissMelodia4U]

Sweden were religion is a non issue

Has much much lower crime rate than Jesus freak US!!

Sweden has given Haiti 6 times more per captia than US ..

We have created one of top civilized country in the world and 200 years of peace !!

Scandinavia rules

[Hadrianwho]

Sweden was a Christian country and is still riding on the coat strings of Christian teachings and morals. Once upon a time, Sweden was a very religious country.

[MrBlamemeforit]

@Hadrianwho Yes, Here in sweden we once were very very religious, and it was in this time we burned...people...alive...

[Hadrianwho]

Before Jesus came on earth, people were regarded no better than cattle. Jesus Christ gave people worth. I sponsor two children through Christian organizations. Just because some hateful people use religion to push their agenda of hatred, doesn' t mean religion is all bad. Lastly, I don't follow a religion I follow God, who is Jesus Christ. If anyone says Jesus was about killing people, they obviously don't understand the message of the gospel.

[MrBlamemeforit]

@Hadrianwho Regarded by who? Other people? god? lol

[Hadrianwho]

He is God to me. You don't want to believe in him, tough noogies for you. You want to live your life without meaning or worth, go right ahead. At the end of our lives, we will see who is right. But keep this in mind, my error won't cost me a thing, your error will...more than you will ever know.

[illusionstateofmind]

@Hadrianwho You want to live your life without meaning or worth, go right ahead. WOW!!! What a thing to say to someone you do not know personally. What if this person has a child or takes care of a grandparent or animals, no meaning or worth there? what is happening inside you? God is not a he. At the end of our lives we won't se anything. No right or wrong just dead. Your error? Cost? Ever know? WOW!!! Very sad.

[kaiwanmak]

@MissMelodia4U fantastic points, american here but have lived abroad, the us is whack,

[ebouchelle]

@MissMelodia4U Agreed, I think the entire world should look up to the Scandinavian nations

[knoose]

@MissMelodia4U But you dont have as many blacks and mexicans to mess up your crime and education statistics...etc..

Its all about the DNA.

[LordOmberus]

@MissMelodia4U

Making up for the Viking years?

[QueerSwede1]

@MissMelodia4U heja sverige:)

[countertreason]

@MissMelodia4U Must be nice to enjoy peace bought at the price of other's blood and efforts. In Canada, we enjoy that too. Don't forget that it is easy to be a nonplayer on the world scene like our countries. Whatever you may feel about the US, they make the world so that a liberal democracy can sit around idle and inactive and not have to pay tribute or risk invasion/annexation.

You enjoy peace bought by with the blood and grudging respect of the US.

[driftingsun1]

@countertreason

Wrong, US blood is being spilled at the behest of Corporate Greed. Get your facts straight and stop repeating that bullshit dogma about grandiose notions of freedom and liberty being possible only through military aggression.

[countertreason]

@driftingsun1 Give me a time in history when war hasn't existed and the major military power in the world didn't have to put down rising military powers; give me a major power that hasn't set the agenda for political systems and where they weren't overcome by a new political system on the rise.

If you can do that, I will concede your point. Until then, you are repeating stupid leftist slogans of the cowardly pacifistic, inconsequential Chomskyites and I am backed by the facts of history.

[curriejean]

@MissMelodia4U

You have no idea how badly I want to move to your country.

[mikey3k]

@MissMelodia4U Can I become a citizen of Sweden and how long does it take? I want to move there from North America.

[farerse]

@MissMelodia4U you must be talking like 20 years ago. now its peaking the crime levels

[Mluna792]

@MissMelodia4U I agree from a usa citizen Sweden ftw :D

[nickwade1]

@MissMelodia4U

Sweeden wants to hand Julian Asssange over to the US for life imprisonment or execution. Some of your politicians are simply lackeys for the US government and you appear to have an easily manipulated legal system .Don`t be so proud of your country as it sure isn`t perfect

[MissMelodia4U]

@nickwade1 This comment is 11 months old

J Asssange "Condome Gate" is an embarrement .

I been writing a LOT about " Condome Gate" , strange things are happening after I became friend w an Islandic politican a WikiLeak supporter on my Facebook

We have a new government our PM has Karl Rove as adviser:/..they are selling out Sweden + kissing US azz

I´m born in Finland and own beachfront property

I´m was living the socialistic dream - now to many nighmares has come true in Sweden

[malakispanien]

@MissMelodia4U your country may be civilised, but your women are unapproachable slags, you tend to be two - faced unfriendly xenophobes. Countries that are less ''civilised'' and wealthy (Portugal, Spain, Italy, Hungary, etc..) are better simply cos of the ''genuine'' people.

[arenhappyface]

@MissMelodia4U

Scandinavian countries should be the role model for other WANNA BE modern ones, and lets not forget Japan

[aimonaali]

@MissMelodia4U

And the same goes for Finland. Even though it isn't a part of Scandinavia.

[TurboDally]

"If sin disappeared our economy would collapse"

Why did the pastor say that? And besides, 10 commandments, the first few are pretty useless, the latter commandments are a sole "invention" of Christianity.

[Hadrianwho]

The Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament. How can they be the invention of Christianity. Your Biblical knowledge is non-existent if you don't know that.