CIA and Jonestown

[extremlybored45]

if this was CIA? what would be the purpose of killing 900 people? WTF?

[THXcooper]

I am shocked by the cruelty of some of these comments...

[shortcircuit925]

fucking A

[DinoSeminario]

Just a thing for ignorants like you are...

If it really was CIA job:

1) It never be possible to have survivors from jonestown. NOBODY.

2)It would NEVER be possible to see picture of the bodys and drugs used to kill those poor people. Never.

3) You'd NEVER be able to see the faces of the congressman killers, whose Never wear those flashy "dust clothes".

4) This assasination was a crying cheesy amateur's job ! (More than 2 plp survived and saw their faces,

5) It remains MOVIE RECORDS of it !!!

[DinoSeminario]

THE REAL QUESTION IS:

WHAT ABOUT KGB AND JONESTOWN ?

CIA or NSA NEVER recieved a present of 7.3 Million $ from Peoples Temple Sect...

Communist party of Russia did... AND accepted the present.

Now you are free to still believe in Aliens or God Jim Jones air moonwalking... In this case, no doubt future sect movements have good days for the future.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE ! Not what's it seems to be fun or "in fashion" to think.

If you don't... I wish you a good die my "brothers"...

[LordTroll9000]

Hail Lord Jim Jones, the sexiest, pimpdaddy, and Benevolent savior of the people, bless you Jim Jones.

[wazrasta]

anonymous get them please

[Grappler1911]

Jone's followers wanted " Hope and Change" and "Social Justice".The CIA hadn't come up with those terms yet but regardless,that's what sheep want and tyrants are sure to give it to them.Obama's mama was working for the CIA along with our Treasury Secretary's father.They were both trained in creating economic crisis to push change.This is why both Obama mama and her son have no passport records from that time.Check it out.Hope and change and Obama-Mania is mind control.It's been done before.

[Kwimalo]

Wow, if the CIA faked a mass suicide just to kill one pain-in-the-ass Senator, that's pretty kickass.

[aplus1984]

@Kwimalo fucku

[Kwimalo]

@aplus1984 I imagine it's hard to type with no opposable thumbs.

[farmasyst]

Jonestown...Columbine...simila­rities abound.Jones was shot in the head as was Kliebold and Harris. The 2 kids at Columbine had powder remains that indicate they were shot from 5-10' away. You'd have to have pretty long arms in order for that to be a suicide.Look up William Zabel and Evan Long and you'll see what I mean.

[jerryjamify]

Coming to a FEMA camp near you. Government says; Oh no they all commited suicide at the fema camp, all we ever wanted to do was help.

[jerryjamify]

So he manages to escape the killing at the plane just seconds before the senator was murdered? Could have been Jones handler couching him in to his mass suicide plan and when the people decided they didnt want to die for a crazy man he murdered them all, their CIA Mk ultra mind control in jonestown was a failure. so they killed all those involve including Jim Jones.

[arlichar11]

ok i think thatsays it all.. everyone was dead, and beforeanyone discovered them, a radio message was sent on a secret cia channel!!! and reported a mass suicide..

and that dwyer was owner of only radio.. and its in tape that jones trys to protect him!

[arlichar11]

i still say that reporter who gave the note to jones sealed the fate of those people..snitching on people who wanted help..this just made him angry and set the rest in motiion..way to go

[bluenail90]

Why didn't they approach the plane more closely before opening fire? They would have got them all.

[minnbassman]

Has anyone considered the possibility the Dwyer was there because the CIA was investigating the whole Jim Jones Cult?

[cookieman38111]

What is Dwyer doing now???

[Greatersend]

@cookieman38111 If anything his behind needs to be in jail and rot since he contribute to the killings,

[cookieman38111]

@Greatersend I was just wondering what his history was after this happened. Kind of like Marrel McCollugh, the MPD informant that infiltrated Dr. King's group and was with him when he was killed in Memphis. He went to the CIA a year or two after this.

[pigletized]

Absolute Crap! Anti-US Propaganda. CIA had nothing to do with this. This is the equivalent of saying that 911 was an inside job. Get a life beyond your soap opera paranoid minds.

[ed11561]

@pigletized BLIND ASSHOLE-The CIA DID MIND CONTROL-look up MKULTRA FACT-proven.The CIA killed more foreign LEADERS

than anyone in history.They r SCUM.Guess what genius.The USA is just as CORRUPT & MURDEROUS AS RUSSIA & CHINA-if not worse.

911 was an inside job genius

[norr4636]

@ed11561 oK...For the last time...I know he worked for the CIA and he knew the shooters were coming. You're preaching to the choir....Leave me the hell alone.

[norr4636]

@ed11561 Are you mad?

[norr4636]

@ed11561 I would like to be friends, I thought you were just fucking with me with those post. No hard feelings right

[Doloii]

Trust the government?- Talk to a Native American.

[te4888]

@Doloii yeah talk to anyone non white

[RobGoth100]

This documentary sucks. It is about the CIA yet at 3:20 they say Ryan shakes the pilot's hand but that is Dwyer.

[norr4636]

You are right...that was Dwyer who shook the pilots hand....But how did Dwyer survived the shooting. On record thier was only one person two survived and Dwyer wasn't one of the two.

[ed11561]

@norr4636 WRONG 87 people survived.

look it up.who survived jonestown

[ed11561]

@norr4636 There were 87 people that survived

[ed11561]

@RobGoth100 And that is a newscaster/announcer making the mistake.

That does not make the whole documentary

null & void genius.because they mention that 1 fact THAT MEANS NOTHING 1 WAY OR THE OTHER. LOL

[LetArtsLive]

they should have gone there and killed jim jones first and saved the people!!its appalling

[soundsfromnothing]

This documentary itself, is chock full of inconsistencies; first they show a man walk over and talk to the pilot of the otter plane (which they claim was Leo Ryan) at 3:14-3:21. Then, they show that SAME footage, and claim that it was Richard Dwyer peeling off from the group (suggesting he knew the airport massacre would happen) at 3:45-4:05. Which one is it? It was Dwyer talking to the pilot, but the fact is, that the authors of this documentary were mistaken when they first mentioned this. The

[soundsfromnothing]

(continued #1)next problem, was Dwyer himself. What they DO NOT mention here, was that Dwyer was wounded in the airstrip attack (he was shot in the lower buttocks region-where it meets the back of the leg). Conspiracy theorists claim that Dwyer "ran back to Jonestown" & was there for the suicides. They claim that Jones' mention of Dwyer confirms this. The problem is, that Jones called his congregation together JUST MINUTES after Ryan & his party(including the defectors) left for the

[soundsfromnothing]

(continued #2)airstrip. This is important. The road into Jonestown had been EXTREMELY muddy (it had been raining). It was so bad, that it took Ryan's party 45 MINTUES to get into Jonestown via tractor. It took them about the same amount of time to get back to the Kaituma airstrip the next day. A delay(while waiting for the second plane to come-to carry the extra passengers) caused the planes to arrived late(at 5:10 p.m.). Jones had began his "suicide speech" around 5 o' clock. about 10 MINUTES

[soundsfromnothing]

(continued #3) later, he was radioed of the airstrip attack, by his security squad. It was a matter of minutes later that the suicides began. Here's where it gets interesting. Dwyer would've had to run back to Jonestown, (w/ a wound inhibiting his mobility)on an extremely muddy road, in less than 20 minutes (for him to have been present when Jones mentioned his name). Plus he would have had to backtrack(as he hobbled in the other direction after the shootings began). Even IF he had gotten a ride

[soundsfromnothing]

(continued #4) back, he would've arrived LONG AFTER the suicides began(given the road conditions) & been to late for Jones to mention his name. There are some who believe that Jones confused Temple attorney, Mark Lane, w/ Dwyer (they do look quite a bit alike). Indeed, Jones says-not too long after that- "get those attorneys out of here." Now, there are obvious edits done to the tape. By monitoring the subject of the conversation, however, the edits seem vary small. .

[soundsfromnothing]

(Continued #5) Minutes or secs here or there. NOT long enough to give Dwyer time to get to Jonestown at the mention of his name. Now, there are suspicious things that center around the C.I.A., (including their refusal to release records). I do not believe they were directly involved in the murders, suicides, or brainwashing of peoples though. More than likely, they were embarrassed by the Temple's actions, and didn't want anyone to know they were investigating.

[CT2507]

so because of some bad editing and some muddy roads u deduce that CIA wasnt a part of this. that they didnt have blood on their hands?

[soundsfromnothing]

What I'm saying, is that there was NO WAY Dwyer could've been in Jonestown when the massacre/suicides began. There just wasn't enough time. It contradicts known facts & statements that were made by eyewitnesses and shown in their records.

[soundsfromnothing]

(continued #1) I personally don't feel like the CIA had a hand in it though. If they had, it would've been the sloppiest operation they ever carried out. It would defeat their purpose too; to have a covert operation that placed the blame soley on the shoulders of Jones. If that was their plan, it wasn't very successful. Within months of the tragedy there, Temple members began alledging that it was a CIA cover-up. There is

[soundsfromnothing]

(continued) a site called "Considerations of Jonestown." It is full of information, with contributions from those who's opinions vary wildly (From those who believe the CIA were involved, to those against the CIA theory, to those who think Ryan is still alive somewhere). If you get a chance, you should check it out.

[thegirl44]

It's apperant to me, from the audio of the tape, that nothing more than Jim Jones' drug addled mind put Dwyer at Jonestown during the "White Night" preparations.

Jones says to someone, "Get Dwyer out of here" and the someone responds, "Ujiah?" Jones repeats, "Not Ujiah, I said Dwyer."

This leads me to believe that Dwyer wasn't there because whomever he was speaking to thought that he was talking about someone in attendance, Ujiah, as opposed to Dwyer who had already left..

[thegirl44]

I think that I've already told you this on another video, sounds, regardless: I think the only involvement the CIA had with Jonestown was after the fact in study and education. Jim Jones did in Guyana what the CIA had been trying to do in other situations and, now, they had a successful study of how to sway people into willfully placing themselves in a microcosm where they could be manipulated and controlled. The information to be gleaned from Jonestown was priceless to future CIA operations.

[thegirl44]

It's not that much of a stretch to say that the CIA or FBI likely had JJ, Jonestown and People's Temple under surveillance, if only for the simple facts that Jones was a socialist and had a lot of political pull in California in the 60's and 70's (A time when the Lucille Ball being married to a Cuban was reason enough to open a file on her.). I find it highly unlikely, though, that the CIA had any involvement with the day to day and eventual success of the People's Temple and their projects.

[soundsfromnothing]

Yep. I agree :) . I think, if the CIA (or FBI) had been involved in Jonestown, that they did a poor job of carrying out their operation. We all know that they're not sloppy. There's other things too: the ppl that recieved the "coups de gras" (head shots), after they had already been wounded, ALL of them had done something to directly piss off Jones ( & his close circle) the

[soundsfromnothing]

t(continued 2) those specific ppl. Also, they would've taken the camera footage. Also, I've heard ppl talk about a military "diamond formation" style attack. The airstrip shootings were anything but.

There is one interesting argument that could be made for the other side: Dan Mitrone. He was involved in MK Ultra. He was also good buddies w/Jones. It's possible that Jones got Mitrone to pull some gvmnt strings, so that he could get clearance for his compound.

[soundsfromnothing]

(continued 3) As far as Mitrone & Co. being directly involved in Jonestown...I very highly doubt it. Jones was so steeped in his drug paranoia, that I doubt he would have continued to trust them anyway. I agree though; gvmnt involvement just doesn't make sense.

[soundsfromnothing]

(continued 1) night before/next morning. Bob Brown (videotaping in certain "restricted" areas..& getting shooed away by temple guards), Don Harris (throwing tough questions @ Jones), Patty Parks (1 of the 1st to defect..influenced others to do the same) etc. Vern Gosney WOULD'VE been killed, if he didn't help wrestle the gun away from Larry Layton. The shooters thought they had killed Jackie Spier w/a head-shot (b/c of the amount of blood), so they left her. The CIA wouldn't have a reason to hit

[thegirl44]

As far as the Mitrone connection goes, and it does exist, what's to say that Jones knew that Mitrone was CIA before the point that the newspaper article came out accusing JONES of being CIA for associating with him?

I have a cousin that was married to a fellow that claimed to work for "the government". Turned out, years later when he abandoned her, that he was CSIS, Canadian intelligence, with a whole other life, apartment and girlfriend. She never had a clue, they're that good at their jobs.

[soundsfromnothing]

That's true. There's no way to know for sure. Another thing, that a lot of conspiracy theorists don't think about, is that Ryan's family & friends were not the first to try & claim that the gmnt was involved. Jonestown members (that just couldn't believe that Jones orchestrated the suicides...even w/ eyewitness attempts) were the first to accuse the CIA. How they could deny Jones' actions is beyond me; especially given the sheer #s of "White Knights" performed. Even an early one, where Jones

[soundsfromnothing]

told his perishoners "You all just drank poison," should've been an indicator. It should have been obvious that Jones could/would follow through. Maybe they thought they were empty promises...not sure.

Was your Cousin's bf investigating her? That is just callous to get involved w/ her, when he had a seperate life. He was scum, obviously. I know what you're saying though; you never know who's who.

[thegirl44]

I don't think that my cousin's husband was investigating her, but who knows for sure. He wasn't CSIS when they married, if I remember correctly. He was working for the gov't but I think that he was in our equivilent of the Library of Congress at that time. He just disappeared one day, the 7 year limitation has just passed and my cousin was able to list him as legally dead. The girlfriend didn't know what happened to him either (she didn't come into the picture until 2 years after he was gone).

[soundsfromnothing]

Wow..that's awful!

[norr4636]

Why did Richard Dwyer survived the airport massacre? He was at the airport with Congressman Ryan just minutes before the ambush. I know you responded 5 months ago but Dwyer went on to get a promotion and medals. How the in hell did he get away from the group that was boarding the plane? Since you don't believe, explain Dwyer surviving.

[soundsfromnothing]

It goes back to the comments I left a few months back (and that's okay... I don't mind intelligent questions :) ). As I stated earlier, All the ppl who were actually KILLED, personally enraged JOnes. It's no accident (In my opinion), that Patty parks, Bob brown, Don Harris, Leo Ryan & others were actually the only ones killed. Those on the ground recieved COUP DE GRAS (in this case, headshots... many up close) shots. Why were some ppl allowed to live. If the CIA had been involved, that would

[soundsfromnothing]

NOT HAVE happened. Like I said, Jackie spier WOULD HAVE been dead, had she not been able to fool the armed Jonestown guards. She was shot in the arm. Her arm was right above her head. The blood gave it the appearance that her head was shot. I've already explained why dwyer couldn't have been at the Jonestown camp. Go back to the comments I left previously (I think I left some 9 months ago too). It's too exhausting to explain again (nothing personal against you). You're right to question things.

[ed11561]

@norr4636 Richard Dwyer was CIA

[norr4636]

@ed11561  I know that.....what's your point

[ed11561]

@norr4636 Duuuhhhh! He knew the truck was coming with the shooters.All he had to do was leave. Maybe say something like....

shit i forgot my....,be right back.U got anything to smoke?lol

[norr4636]

@ed11561 I know that...My post was talking ABOUT THE AIRSTRIP SHOOTING...ARE YOU SMOKING ANYTHING TONIGHT?  PLEASE READ MY POST WITH CLARITY

[norr4636]

@ed11561 I take that you are a mean person to respond to a person who agree with you

[ed11561]

@norr4636 @ed11561 oK...For the last time...I know he worked for the CIA and he knew the shooters were coming. You're preaching to the choir....Leave me the hell alone.

SO FUCK OFF ASSHOLE-DON'T ANSWER

[ed11561]

@norr4636 fuck off jerk

[ChuckNoblett]

Not that it isn't totally obvious, but this old 1992 conspiracy theory video is nuts. Nothing ever came of the Jim Jones' claims to his followers (before they all died) of conspiracies by the CIA, US Post Office and others to destroy Jonestown.

It's pretty embarrassing that this old video maker got sucked into Jim Jones' crazy conspiracy theories.

[sk9utube]

Leo Ryan and the media crew that went down there were brave and altruistic, but goddamn naive!

[RobGoth100]

At 3:20 it was Dwyer who shook the pilot's hand, not Ryan. For a documentary on the CIA they got even this bit wrong.

[aleksandar001]

sickest of people live in these United States...CIA tops the list...i hope each one of them dies as soon as possible the slowest of deaths.

[justinbushaw]

900 people killed themselves?? i knew that was bs...horrific pics of those needles. reporters and a congressman get killed right before theyre about to come back with the TRUE story?? wheres theyre work!! surely its important, they died for it. what were these people being brainwashed/trained for?? to become terrorists? future presidents?

crazy pastors scare me

[Eagle776]

the camp was a CIA mind control experiment, on how Americans would react to a Lunatic leader, w/ a messiah complex.

[chosop25]

Wow, a pattern starts emerging. If there's some bizarre, inhumane and horrific event anywhere in the world, follow the trail to CIA. If not CIA, chances are it's NSA or any other intelligence agency owned by the same gang.

Wow, things have never been this clear in my life! Things really make sense now.

Thank you for posting!

[Deguello321]

@chosop25 The connection between the CIA and Jim Jones from the internet:"the most mysterious connection that Jim Jones had was his childhood friend, Dan Mitrione. Mitrione later became Chief of the Richmond PD... Mitrione was later was recruited into the CIA, under State Department cover, in May of 1960, and was trained in counter-insurgency and torture techniques. Coincidentally, Mitrione had traveled to Brazil as an OPS adviser at the U.S. Consulate not long before Jones had arrived.

[DinoSeminario]

@chosop25 things have never been this clear in your life ?!!

You're blind dude. and so easily easily influenced. You're good for the next Jonestown guy.

Take all your ticket, it's time !