Communism: Why it isn't the best alternative to Capitalism.

[Unknownguy6142]

but china are pretty advanced tho

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Unknownguy6142

Stalin industrialized Russia. That doesn't validate Communism's supposed worth.

Nor does China's advances. Look at non-Communist countries like Japan.

[Unknownguy6142]

@TheCanadianPrairies the chinese communist party promised a industrialised china right? a new china? and thats what they got? they are changing rapidly and being more advanced

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Unknownguy6142

They also have political and religious repression as well as selling out their people to American corporations for cheap labor at practically slave labor prices.

Really advanced, eh?

[skatejam7]

@TheCanadianPrairies well i know that china sucks for that, but america is partially to blame hahaha, they're the ones buying... the chinese government is fucked up! it's ok if mine enslaves the chinese though!

[kingsaf90]

please could you attach you references please?

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@kingsaf90

References to what? All the information listed in this video? Open a history book or one of the books written by survivors and others.

[darknessb930]

So, communism is bad? Dictators used the term communism because it sounded much better than "dictatorship". There's nothing wrong with communism but rather over the time, people have mistaken the term communism, and most people now view communism as a very ill type of ideology.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@darknessb930

If Communism isn't a totalitarian ideology, it is a horrible idea built on the naivety of idealists with bloody hands.

[thedeadlyflow]

Great video bro I like how informative it is.Though I do like some of Marx's quotes and he seemed like a smart man, he made a foolish move with Communism.The problem was that he romanticized on his ideology too much, and forgot about Human nature.Which showed how destructive communism became.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@thedeadlyflow

Communism was around long before Marx. Even the Bible may have Communist ideas written within its pages concerning property. The French had several individuals before Marx like the comte de Saint-Simon, Etienne Cabet, and Fourier who had like minded ideas decades before Marx.

But like all their projects failed, so did Marx's. Yet people still vainly believe it was good, let alone apparently capable of being better than what we've got.

[thedeadlyflow]

@TheCanadianPrairies True indeed, and as I was saying in my comment about human nature (greed) capitalism won't really fade away in society since a lot of people act so needy. I'm not a fan of capitalism, but that's seems to be the reality, that it's here to stay.

[baberaider18]

F U C K COMMUNISM

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@baberaider18

Finally, a comment on this video with actual sense attached to it.

[baberaider18]

@TheCanadianPrairies lol, but thats the truth. Im vietnamese, my dad was a south vietnamese officer in the navy. Vietnam now is a slave of the failing China.

[AirsoftNuB16]

I'm on the creepy side of youtube again :( help me..

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@AirsoftNuB16

:O

You must try putting in more happier search terms.

[Briggsismyname]

22. The Society has no aim other than the complete liberation and happiness of the masses – i.e., of the people who live by manual labor.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Anarchism has that idea too, you know. You act like Communism is the only ideology that can have such aims.

Are you suggesting Nechayev was the founder of Communism? Communism, at its core, existed long before Marx. It can be even said to have existed in the time of Christ.

[Briggsismyname]

26. To weld the people into one single unconquerable and all-destructive force – this is our aim, our conspiracy, and our task.

This is the rough outline for all of communism.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

But it was intended to have created an anarchist system when the welding was finished.

[Briggsismyname]

Here let me simplify this for you

Marx teaches that the revolution will be created by workers naturally as they acknowledge the fact they are being exploited, workers all over the world form their own democratic government and live happily ever after.

Nechayev says the revolution will not happen because the workers are too simple minded to organize themselves, and that a leader must take absolute power to ensure the interests of the working class.

Which sounds more like the CCCP to you?

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Let me simplify this before you, you sorry ass mugu:

If Nechayev was so important to the foundation of Soviet Russia, where were the statues dedicated to him? Where were the speeches made about him? Where were the portaits of him during military parades?

If he was so important, he would have been immortalized like Marx was within the Soviet system.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Nechayev wrote:

"The basic unit of all political organization in each country must be the completely autonomous commune, constituted by the majority vote of all adults of both sexes. No one shall have either the power or the right to interfere in the internal life of the commune."

Does that sound like someone who believes in absolute power?

He also wrote:

"The nation must be nothing but a federation of autonomous provinces."

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

He also wrote:

"Christianity, the religion of the slaves, much later destroyed ancient forms of slavery only to create a new slavery."

Yet you used - in PMs - CHRISTIAN resources to parade his supposed importance.

His very own catechism runs against your belief that he was an autocrat. I am reading it as I type this to you. He sounds like he'd lash out at you for totally twisting his words around. He was an Anarchist, buddy.

[Briggsismyname]

I'm sure we would have seen Marx criticize the CCCP if he was alive during that time, he might have even rolled over in his grave.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Yet you seem to support the very institutions that would propel him to roll over.

[Briggsismyname]

@TheCanadianPrairies That's because I admire Nechayev more than Marx.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

That is irrelevant, when Nechayev had no involvement philosophically with the Soviet system.

Lenin and Stalin were hardcore followers of Marx who each believed they knew the secret to unlocking its supposed potential in Russia. You claim Marx had nothing to do with the USSR yet just moments ago you were proclaiming the Soviet Union, which adored Marx, as a godsend.

Your wishy washy behavior is just that.

[Briggsismyname]

hile it is certainly true that the cultural and economic intimacy between Iranians and Americans climaxed in the political environment of the Cold War,4 the affair had already begun in the 1920s and 1930s.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

You still have no evidence suggesting any Western power beyond Britain was involved to that extent in Iran. America's President was at the Tehran Conference but that was only to coordinate strategy against the Axis.

[Briggsismyname]

There is no single document in the possession of the serious student of communism that approaches Nechayev's 'Catechism' in importance for deep insight into the actual nature of communism. It surpasses in significance even the writings of Marx himself.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

There is no single shred of evidence in the possession of the seriously lame Briggsismyname that approaches what we know as historical truth. Nechayev's Catechism of a Revolutionary was geared to an anarchist crowd and was not relied upon when the Soviet Union was created for inspiration as were the works of Marx and Engels and those claiming to interpret said works according to the national characteristics of their day.

Marx himself criticized Nechayev.

[Briggsismyname]

NECHAYEV is the dominant influence in Lenninism.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

MARX is the dominant influence in Leninism. Leninism was born OUT OF MARXISM.

Lenin's works were all based upon his interpretations of MARXIST theory.

You don't have evidence for your claims. You spout random names in an attempt to seem superior to me but end up falling flatline. Just like the Soviet dream did.

[Briggsismyname]

The USA funded the Islamic shah in 1920 to fight against the communist party of Iran, after the communists were defeated another revolution put the current regime into power.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

The USA?

The British were in Iran in 1920.

The Soviets - who were re-establishing the Tzarist Empire under themselves like true hypocrites - were also in Iran in response to British attempts to foil the Russian Revolution. The British had the Anglo-Indian Oil Company there at the time.

There is no record of American influence in Iran around 1920.

[Briggsismyname]

@TheCanadianPrairies America helped to fund and create the last monarchy in Iran.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

America did not create the Pahlavi Dynasty.

The Pahlavi Dynasty came to power after the Persian Cossack Brigade revolted and overthrew the Qajar Dynasty. The British were the ones who offered assistance.

It was under the first Pahlavi's Shah's son that America got involved in Iran.

[Briggsismyname]

1933 swine flu sorry about that slip up.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

1933 Swine Flu?

You're sorry about a slip up and now decide to proclaim myth?

There is no such event.

Produce evidence or stop pissing on the suffering of the Ukrainians.

[Briggsismyname]

Your not even taking the time to read Marx or Nechayev, how do you know what is what? If you want to get down to Marxism is, it's workers control of production something the USA had more of than the CCCP.

Nechayev is the DOMINANT influence on the CCCP, they'll teach you this on the first day if you take a accredited class on communism in Russia.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

I love how you assume I have never read any Marxist text. That shows a complete sense of unwarranted self importance on your part.

MARX and ENGELS were the dominant influence on the USSR. Did you see Nechayev's portraits in military parades? In buildings? In propaganda? No. You didn't. Surely he would be like Ataturk in Turkey if he was the dominant force?

Are you spouting random Russian personalities just in an attempt to see if I don't know one of them?

[Briggsismyname]

hat conflict was on display in recent weeks after the death of the North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. On one hand, the South Korean government allowed the widow of former President Kim Dae-jung, who had hugged Kim Jong-il during a landmark summit meeting, to go to Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, to express condolences. On the other hand, it barred most other South Koreans from visiting the North and was seeking to arrest a former student activist who had traveled to Pyongyang.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

You still haven't explained why North Korea is actually good, let alone "better" than South Korea.

Even Communists hate North Korea. Yet you stand out. If you like North Korea and all so much, go live there. You'll miss out on Youtube and all, though that'll be the least of your concerns, but at least you'll finally be at peace among your own kind.

[Briggsismyname]

Nechayev had more influence in the CCCP than Marx ever had, if you don't know who Nechayev is you have no right to criticize Marx or the CCCP.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

He was a Russian revolutionary nihilist. I have no right to criticize Marx who was totally unrelated to him?

Lenin and Stalin were both influenced by Marx. Stalin read Marx in the Georgian seminary while Lenin studied law and Marxism at the Kazan University. Are you doubting these two men's mutual fondness for Marx's ideas? You do realize people can be influenced by more than one person, right?

[Briggsismyname]

How about we compare the prison systems next..

71 per 100k citizens in jail in Vietnam

715 per 100k in USA

7 per 100k in Cuba

119 per 100k in China

226 per 100k in Iran

584 per 100k in Russia

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

So you're comparing Russia, no longer a Communist nation, to the USA.

And you're even supporting IRAN? Why is a Communist supporting a theocracy? The Soviets hated religion, remember?

I guess believers in bullshit attract each other, don't they.

The West isn't perfect. But it sure is better then everywhere else.

[Briggsismyname]

The food shortages caused by central planning in the PRC and the CCCP ended much quicker than the ones in British India as well.. and let's not even get started on how fast the life expectancy would climb in the communist countries compared to the poorer capitalist countries in the same time period.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Yep. All those letters from people who actually lived IN the USSR and PRC and all the interviews and all the first hand accounts and all the other evidence is meaningless because briggsismyname is the best historian in the world, and God forbid that we shouldn't see how Communism failed because apparently its blunders "ended quicker" and such.

You are delusional. But I expect nothing more from Communists or any radicalists on either side of the spectrum.

[Briggsismyname]

Conservatism relies more heavily on ideal than socialism does.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

You think I am a conservative? LOL!

Please don't presume to know my beliefs. Just because I detest Communism, that does not mean I am a radical right winger.

[Briggsismyname]

I'm not even going to go over the holodomor considering it's a known fact that the time period you talking about is the peak of the spanish flu in europe. The black book of communism would be a wonderful read for you, don't just get your facts from what your culture has taught you.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

The Holodomor occured in the 30s.

The Spanish flu occured in 1918 as an epidemic.

Therefore, the Holodomor was not merely an epidemic. It was the end product of Soviet bullshit run amok.

Opening any sort of history book would be a wonderful read for you, don't just get the facts from what people who can't offer any real solutions have taught you.

[Briggsismyname]

Citing Marx as the main influence for the CCCP is wrong, western brainwashing would love to make you believe this because they still view marxism as a threat. The reason? Marxism is growing at an incredible speed, lin 2008 the S.Korean gov removed 17000 posts praising the DPRK and denouncing America and the S.Korean gov. In 2010 they removed 67000 posts citing the same reason.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Idiocy in general, whether it be Marxism or the latest shitty reality television program, is spreading at an incredible speed.

Marx WAS the main influence of the USSR. What do you think was the origin of Lenin and Stalin's ideas? Marx's works. Lenin and Stalin both claimed to follow the original teachings of Marx, as adapted to the Russian condition at that era.

Please stop with your pompously pretentious stupidity.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Also, I love how you say the SK Government censored internet posts.

Just like the Soviets censored writers and poets.

[Briggsismyname]

After Kim Jon Il died there were thousands of people who tried to get in to N.Korea, the S.Korean government blockaded the entrance and called in the military police to forcibly remove people who were trying to cross over the dmz.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Do you have evidence that thousands of people tried to get into North Korea? Why would people from a well off nation flock to some Third World backwater.

This is why Communists are foolish. They keep living in the past. Even Marx advised against that.

[Briggsismyname]

So your blaming one man for every misfortune that occurred in a country that covers 12% of the Earth? Are you trying to say that every trial in the soviet union was a sham without even looking at individual cases or evidence presented?

It's great you don't acknowledge any other horrible events in history..

40 million starve to death in the course of British India

17-28 million africans taken as slaves

1 million starve in Afghanistan aid cuts 2002

10 million killed in congo by anti communists

[Briggsismyname]

@Briggsismyname 1 million die in Indonesia with help of CIA

200 thousand communist sympathizers in SK

400 thousand fascist Italy

6 million jews NAZI

2 million Irish famine

at least 10 million chinese civilians killed by japan (PRC claims 30-35 million)

30-100 million Native Americans (supposedly the largest mass death in recorded history)

1 million Circassians by the tsarist empire

list can go on and on

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Of course you would throw in anything to do with purges - how ironic of you - of Communist sympathizers.

I'll have you know that I oppose any bullshit, whether it be Communism, or any other idea that degrades the human spirit. I am not some extremist capitalist pig dog as you may assume.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Here's a list for you.

1. East Germans FLED the Communist regime that apparently was so great, as did Hungarians, North Koreans, etc.

2. The Cultural Revolution in the PRC and invasion of Tibet was responsible for the destruction of many lives and much history.

3. The Holodomor. Do you remember that?

4. The exile of the Crimean Tatars, Volga Germans, and other groups eastward.

I can go on.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

5. The Khmer Rogue's attempts to achieve a classless society were responsible for the brutal murders of innocent men, women, and even children.

6. The Soviets forced Communism upon the people of Eastern Europe. First Nazi tyranny and now Soviet?

7. The Soviets divided Poland with the Third Reich. No Communists seem to think of it.

Capitalists caused the Irish Famine? The Communists caused the Ukrainian famine.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

I feel you are a typical Communist mugu.

First of all, why would I blame Marx? Not one Communist leader listened to him. He was just something to hold onto in case you needed an extra legitimacy boost.

Secondly, Communism is not the alternative to the bullshit done by those who believe in other ideas. At all.

Every trial in the Soviet Union was a sham? Yep. How else would you explain the fates of Yagoda, Yezhov, Bukharin, Zinoviev, etc?

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

Just because I don't mention other horrible events - the ones you cheapen and piss all over in your quest to make Communism the lesser of two evils as if that makes it any better than the extremes of imperialism and capitalism - it does not mean I don't know of them nor would not pay my respects.

But I find it deliciously ironic that anti-Communists would suffer the same fate that they would damn thousands to.

In conclusion, take the beam out of your own eye.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Briggsismyname

One more thing.

Evidence.

Evidence?

Really?

The Soviets made a KILLING off falsifying charges to get what they wanted. Do you honestly believe the show trials were anything but unjust attempts of the Stalinist bureaucracy to get rid of anyone with even the littlest potential of dissent?

I know firsthand from people in my family circle about how they had to flee Communism's bullshit, risking their lives.

You're probably just some armchair Robespierre.

[TheTollundWoman]

@Briggsismyname

3 million dead in North Korea due to mass starvation

1.6 million murdered in government purges

200,000 people, including children imprisoned in concentration camps, subjected to torture, forced labor and human experimentation

In the last week 3 people were shot dead for trying to cross the Tumen river

and you think capitalism is worse?

there are few things as exhausting as talking to an American Leftist

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@TheTollundWoman

Don't bother with that douchebag.

He's just your typical Communist. Pissing all over the suffering of innocent people to promote a system that isn't exactly free of blemishes in the human relations side of things either.

They're a dime-a-dozen on the internet.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Unclesam704

You should know an anti-Communist when you see one, then.

[Unclesam704]

Why does it get a bad rap? Because when you deal with communism you deal with people, people are selfish, therefore it does not work, it never has, and never will.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Unclesam704

Try telling that to the impressionable and entitled wannabe Robespierres among today's youth.

[Unclesam704]

@TheCanadianPrairies You still havn't dis-proven that communism isn't bad you just told me to tell it to wannabe Robespierres. Your argument is invalid.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@Unclesam704

I love how you take the sarcastic humour of an anti-Communist who uploaded this anti-Communist video you're commenting on as an attempted defense of why Communism isn't bad. You are anti-Communist, right? Why you hating?

[platipot]

@TheCanadianPrairies

Hating what?

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@platipot

Oh. It was just some guy who thought that I, an anti-Communist, actually supported Communism by uploading this video. So I was just poking fun at him.

[platipot]

@platipot

A!

[brod2man]

i still dont believe communism doesnt work. No system works perfectly yet since we havent reached the stage where we are in control of our minds.

im sure a small island of people could and may even have to work together in a way similar to communism.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@brod2man

Don't you take into consideration the possibility that some of those people on such an island may have tendencies detrimental to a "communist" society?

[brod2man]

@TheCanadianPrairies sure, i guess i meant. small group is more easily managed., its more obvious when one group benefits more than another.

an entire country who has practiced compassion may be able to pull off a communist society no problem.

communism DOESN'T work with our current state of mind but surely it can be practiced and perfected.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@brod2man

Real world called. They got an opening for a life in it. You should take it before you spout shit not based in it.

[brod2man]

@TheCanadianPrairies are u mad or something? My last post was pretty much agreeing with ur anti communism shit. I only used a HYPOTHETICAL (non 'real-world') situation to say when communism could work

Ya, u mad. Giving canada a bad name

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@brod2man

First of all, you weren't agreeing with my "anti-Communist shit" when you said that it surely can be "practiced" and "perfected" - I can read, you know.

And giving Canada a bad name? Really? Why is the internet so full of stupid people like you?

[brod2man]

@TheCanadianPrairies that sentence started with Communism DOESN'T work, referring to our CURRENT world. u can read but you focus on the wrong stuff.

you are an arrogant guy, i bet through your eyes everyone seems stupid.

you and your lack of control over your mind, is why communism doesnt work and why we are forced to use capitalism which breeds the greed we are protesting against today

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@brod2man

What is it with you "communists" believing that "communism" is any better than what we have now? Are you all really that stupid? Your ideology needs an enema, as do you. Perhaps acquiring one will help you purge - ha, get it, purge? - the bullshit out of your system so you can live in the real world, where "communists" have never been any better than the capitalism you bitch about. Can't you wannabe kids go back to killing rap or whatever shitty thing you do these days?

[brod2man]

@TheCanadianPrairies u obviously arent even listening to me. to make that statement against me you have had to assume so many things about me, which you are just basing on stereotypical communist views or past experiences with communists.

"the real world, where "communists" have never been any better than the capitalism you bitch about. "

we agree then, both capitalism and communism dont work.

the point of defending communism is that in THEORY it is a much nicer world to live in. THEORY

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@brod2man

You obviously aren't listening to me when I talk about capitalism and communism and you think you presume to know my rationale for disliking this stupid ideology. You lose. So you get nothing. Good day, sir.

[TheGuardianofFear]

sure communism had a bad rap, but look at the native americans and blacks who were opressed under capitalism!

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@TheGuardianofFear

You mean like the Ukrainians, Cambodians, Chinese, Russians, Blacks, etc oppressed under "Communism"?

Just because "capitalism" did shit, that makes you think "Communism" can do better? Sod off, wanker.

[killertaco97]

the reason why communisim is hated so badly because they lost the cold war, which was a war of propaganda and as we all know, the victor decides the history so america made communisim look bad.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@killertaco97

America had your "Communist" forefathers to help them defeat Communism, kiddo. Oppressing your populace doesn't help when you're trying to "free" them from "Imperialists" and "Capitalist oppressors"

Nice try, though.

[killertaco97]

@TheCanadianPrairies ime not trying to offend, ime just taking what i know

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@killertaco97

What you know is merely what Communists tell themselves at night to make them feel important.

Communists are the teenyboppers of politics.

[epicduckeh6]

Actually Stalin wasn't a communist he was a dictator sorry dude you got some of your facts wrong

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@epicduckeh6

Stalin was a disciple of Lenin. That's as Communist as you can get, seeing how Lenin was the OG who bestowed upon his flock mana that would fill people with hypocritical bullshit for several decades.

[snizzlefrazzy]

communism: "if we kill everyone who is unhappy, we can make paradise."

that about sums it up

[MoralRapist]

Communism wasn't meant to be carried out by a dictator. Carl Marx meant for communism to be democratic. The only reason it didn't work is that it was controlled by greedy retards.

[MexicanZombieKiller]

I'm very sorry my friend but communism fell in 1991 so time to get over it it's not coming back

[wolfman12144]

@MexicanZombieKiller its still in china and cuba and other countries as well

[MexicanZombieKiller]

@wolfman12144 well yeah but before communism was stronger with the ussr and all but the main roots fell

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@MexicanZombieKiller

I forgot to reply to this gem.

Why would I want Communism to come back? Don't you think that I posted this video to raise awareness about why it shouldn't?

[UnitedCommunists]

"In practice is required an all-powerful states that controlled every aspect of live"

Wrong. Communism is stateless. And they do not control you in that sort of way.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@UnitedCommunists

I can't take you seriously when you continue to quote Joseph Stalin all over your channel. Gotta love you Stalinist sycophants who'd be purged by the Man of Steel himself for being "too loyal," lol. Then again, you seem to think being a supporter of Communism somehow is better than being a "Fascist," which I find even more ironic.

Now I'm gonna sit here and wait for you to bitch about the sins of capitalism. Do you need help taking the beam out of your eye, son?

[UnitedCommunists]

@TheCanadianPrairies

Lol, I'm not really a Stalinist. He has some nice quotes (the quote list isn't even finished..)

And I was just expressing a point. I wasn't looking for a lengthy dispute here.

[TheCanadianPrairies]

@UnitedCommunists

And I was just expressing my own point. :)

[rbouverat]

This is just ...bad

[RZK4Evr]

so, so true

[jerudoriginal91]

This video needs more views.

[megaforce811]

The explanation of how communism is is spot on.