Lord of Lords catholic charismatic Renewal, St Paul's Parish Owerri

[TML7777777]

The first thing everyone has to do is accept Jesus Christ has their Lord and Saviour. Jesus is the author and finisher of your faith. It is Jesus who transforms, it is Jesus who inspires it is Jesus who sanctifies. It isn't grinning your teeth and using your own will power. Working for your salvation is the trad. catholic way.

[CaptainQueue]

A beautiful, exuberant worship service. Jesus is alive, and so is the church.

[TML7777777]

I love it when a bully takes the victim role and pleads his innocent heart. Just remember good old alfred is a member of the sspx those wonderful people who brought you Richard Williamson, trad. bishop and all around antisemite and history student failure.

People called good or Richie on his haulocaust views and he got angry. What a bad joke! Just remember alfred, if Bishop Richie hates jews, I wonder who he feels about anyone who isn,t from England.

[igbos27]

I am just surprised at some frustrations being expressed here. Go on being a better Christians 'cos there's no competition in Peter. Become the true believer in Charismata, Diakonia, etc. One God in Christ our hope! My Jesus Mercy ... Mary Help!

[alfredpangchichiang]

The charismatic movement started in 1908 at the black protestant pentecostal church because the black had already been speaking in tongues during their voodoo trances in Africa. Please refer to the wikepedia at about Spiritual music, Voodoo and Spiritualism. It is very dangerous and deceitful. I have delivered a few catholic charismatic, who became demon possessed after receiving the gift of tongues because none of the charismatic catholic nuns and priest could deliver them/

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Like every other trad, You are incredibly dumb!!!

There is this book called the Bible, try reading it some time!!!! In Corinthians, Paul teaches about the charismatic gifts including praying in tongues and prophecy. Please pull your head out of your ass!!!!!

[alfredpangchichiang]

The bible talked about praying in tongues and prophecy. But, the bible said in 1 Cor 13:4-8 "Love is patient...it is not rude. Love never fails...if tongues,they will cease." Thus, the bible placed the gift of love above the gift of tongues and declared that the gift of tongues will end and it ended according to the early church fathers in the 1-2nd century. You arerude and lacking love. This proves that the gift of tongues that you have is from the devil,as the fruit of the Spirit is love.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang No, it proves I have lost my temper with self righteous, arrogant, obnoxious trad. catholics who put themselves above the teachings of the Church and the Pope. Before you take the sliver out of my eye, try taking the log out of your own oh self righteous one!!!!! Trad. catholocism is the most arrogant, self righteous b.s. in the whole world. I know you won't do it but, grow up!!!

[samxilef1]

@alfredpangchichiang I think you are possesed by some evil spirit and need deliverance. May God deliver you in Jesus name Amen. hence you are a historian, can you go back to your history and read more? just to less God's judgement upon you due to evil influences that have blinded your eyes from seing and knowing the truth of the Holy Bible. Better repent and be saved. I will be praying for you and people like you out there who have turn the truth of the word of God into politics.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@samxilef1Charismatics love to condemn trad Catholicism and other religions claiming that the disciples of both Catholic and non-Catholic are influenced by evil spirits. But, many charismatics barked like dogs, rolled on the floor or convulsed continually. The youtube is full of such accounts. Don't they fit perfectly into the description of demon possession inBible? Some of them begged me to exorcise them. But, i simply recite the St Michael prayer and make the sign of cross to deliver them.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@samxilef1 In short, charismatic should stop criticising both Catholic and non-Catholic faiths and examine whether your very own charismatic movement is demonic. Many charismatic pastors of mega churches have been investigated for cheating the money of their churches and for insulting other religion. Jesus said: " Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?" For God's sake, please stop criticising other religions and respect them.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang You are an arrogant, self absorbed, narcacist who expects people to fall on their hands and knees and worship you because " you know the truth" and people who agree with you.

Saying you are not a bully is like the Japanese saying they didn't committ any war crimes in China. Sorry wonderboy, the world doesn't run on " your wisdom". All you have done is show people that trad catholics are bitter, miserable nasty people.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 I am not as arrogant as the Charismatic movement, who put itself above the Bible, the Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium of the Catholic; and expects everyone to accepts its charismatic teaching as true. Nor do I insult or call others names like the way you often do. St Paul said in Ga 5: 22: "God's Spirit makes us loving, happy, peaceful, patient..." Obvivously, you have not received God's Spirit during your baptism of the Holy Spirit but an evil spirit that makes you vulgar.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang You forgot to mention the " truth" your darling bishop was proclaiming. you know Bishop Richard Williamson proclaiming that six million jews weren't killed during world war 2

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 Sorry, I am not a member of St Pius Society. I didn't know that you have such a strong affection for him. I heard that your charismatic counterpart is going to burn the Koran? Please advise your counterpart to refrain from such madness and hate. They make up a mess of our world just like the terrorist. I would like to advice you to heed the advice of Our Lady of Fatima,Queen of Peace, for conversion instead of burning Koran or burning your sexually abusive tongues in hell.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang check your facts wonderboy. that yahoo was a pastor of a non denominational Church in the States. You wonder why trad. catholics are loved like nazis showing up at a jewish wedding. You are cafeteria catholics who chose what you want because you are so " wise" and get rid of the rest. Don't worry wonderboy, the real you is showing through!

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 Oh yes, Terry Jones belongs to the CHARISMATIC non-denomination church,who wanted to burn the koran, just you catholic charismatic wants to burn the traditional catholic faith, Both of you have great similarity in wanting to destroy traditional faith of others since both of you are from the fanatical and violent charismatic movement.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang I am getting tired of your bully, no I am the victim routine. I sure hope some day you get the courage to live in the real world. Sorry, all of your bs isn't and won't work !!! I live in the real world not in your lala land.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 I have not been bullying rather you have been insulting us with sexually abusive terms. You are tellling the world that your sexually abusive and blasphemous gift of tongues can lead them to heaven? Fat hope, it will only lead them to hell, chaos and confusion. I appeal to you to heed the call of our Lady of Fatima, Queen of Peace, to conversion instead of continuing in sexual abuses and violence against others.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Sorry wonderboy, your bullying isn't and will never work. I love the way you repeat the "trad catholic truths" about the charismatic renewal. You are doing a fine job showing the 'trad catholicism in all its glory".

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang What planet do you live on????? Have you escaped from a mental hospital???? You have some serious problems!!!!!!! Try tuning into reality before start showing everyone how the average trad doesn't live in the real world!!!!

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 The more you insult me with sexually abusive words, the more you convince the world/readers that this charismatic movement is truly guilty of sexual abuses, deception,violences. In trying to burn the Traditional Catholif Faith, you are behaving like your crazy charismatic counter part Dover World Outreach Centre, which was trying in burning the koran.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Huh???????????????????

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang I so love it when you bully and claim to be a victim. The fact that good trad. priests, brothers, bishops and nuns were abusing kids in Canada for 150 years hasn't changed. Was that before the charismatic renewal?

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 The number of sexual abuses in Catholic Church rose sharply after the invasion of charismatic movement in the church. We see charismatic priests and religious turning the church into a disco pub by dancing and into a brothel by abusing children instead of praying the Divine Office, Divine Mercy and Rosary. Charismatic movement is the cancer of the Church that leads to the decline of morality in the church, financial fraud, heresies and insults of Catholic faith and other faiths.

[wjweigand]

@TML77777777 ... No, It's a simple statement of logic and reason. Either Catholic Popes were protected from error by the Holy Ghost prior to V2 or they weren't. You can't have it both ways.

I've told you before, if you want to be Protestant, I am saddened by that, but that is your decision. All I'm saying is please don't act like the Pentacostal heretics and call it Catholic. No matter how much gnashing of teeth you engage in, it won't make your lies and less of lies.

[TML7777777]

@wjweigand You are right. Jesus gave up on his Church and vatican 2 happened. Thankfully, you a humble brilliant person and all of your humble brilliant trad. friends rode to the rescue of the Church. You are implicitly calling Jesus a liar by inferring that he broke his promise to guide and direct his Church. I trust Jesus and his promises, I sure the hell don't trust you and your sick, twisted, bizarre trad thinking. You obviously can't handle reality

[TML7777777]

@wjweigand  In case you haven't noticed, the only people believing your pathetic bull shit are you and your twisted, bizarre trad friends who cana't handle reality!!

[alfredpangchichiang]

To continue with my earlier comments,the gift of tongues restarted and was revived only in 1908 in the black pentecostal church after a few thousand of years of cessation because the negro has been speaking in tongues during their voodoo trances in Africa. Thus, this new charismatic movement is not from apostolic time but from voodoo. I have been reading the bible and the history of the church. I will pray for your repentance from this false pentecostal spirit. Jesus, I trust in you.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang

Yes, the devil makes people praise Jesus, so many accounts of this are found in the Bible. Yes, the devil heals people in the name of Jesus. How stupid are you ??????

Trust me you easily win the trad fool of the week contest!!

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang I have a better idea. Why don't we pray that you lose your arrogant, obnoxious, rebelious traditional catholic attitude and start showing some respect to God given authority. (Pope) I.e. Show respect to the Pope with actions instead of words. I.e. NOT like traditional catholics

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 If you really wish to respect to the Pope. Please respect to the Sacred Tradition of the Church and Popes, who have stated clearly that we have received the Holy Spirit through baptism and have been confirmed with the Holy Spirit. Please stop humiliating the Popes of the past by asking Catholic to receive Protestant baptism of the Spirit. I am not a proud person. Only a proud person, like you, would enjoy insulting others.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang So insulting the present Popes is okay but not Popes before Vatican 2. Yes we all know that Jesus said he would guide and direct his Church until Vatican 2 than Marcel Lefebvre would be the " real Pope" . Yes Jesus has given up on his Church but, lucky for Jesus because all the trads will " guide and direct his Church"

In short your saying Jesus is doing a failing job. That is real humble of you.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 The popes of the past and present pope are the same. There are only 7 sacraments in the Catholic Church. The false pentecostal baptism of the Spirit is not a sacrament of the Catholic Church. It is heretical.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang It is real impressive when you are arguing with someone and you can't keep the facts straight. ( then again, I have yet to meet a trad who could keep their facts straight) After all trad. catholicism can't stand up to the truth.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 Traditional Catholicism is based on Sacred Scripture (e.g. the Mass, Divine Office,etc). Youhave not been exposed to the Scriptural form of traditonal catholicism. Instead,you have been poisoned by corrupted form of Catholicism and voodoo pentecostal movement.. You should attend a Catholic monastry, which will knock some sense into your head what is real traditional Catholicism.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang There is nothing more pathetic than someone who tries to be a bully. Doctor Phil always said that bullies are cowards. I agree. They can't handle facts are reality so they try and make reality fit their ideas. Bullies make me laugh!!

Trad. Catholicism is the ultimate in legalism. It makes people suffer in guilt and frustration because they never grow and have victory in their lives. It is simple bring Jesus into your life and live in victory. Guaranteed!

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 My dear poor child, we have not been bullying you. Rather, you have been calling us names and insulting us all these. Are you not bullying us? If Jesus is in you life, would Jesus do as you did? Calling people names? You have also not understood real trad catholicism, which states that salvation is by grace thru faith and expressing itself thru love, which is also a gift of God. Corrupted form of Catholicism teaches otherwise. You have simply being poisoned by misunderstanding.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Please ! Take Bully lessons!! Thank you for showing everyone that trads are a pathetic joke. You have done a wonderful job turning people off trad. catholicism.

Short of someone with serious problems, I can't think of anyone who would want to be anything like you.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 The whole world has witnessed in you (a gangsterous and vulgaric charismatic, who continually insults others with vulgarity and hate). You have convinced the whole world that your gift of tongue is not worth a cent. St Paul said that: "If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong..." Mother Teresa did not speak in tongue. She spoke in love and the whole world love her. For God's sake, drop your tongue and walk in the path of love

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Missunderstanding my """"". Unfortunately I have had to put up with trad. no it alls for 4 years and just like a human I can lose my patience. Since you obviously consider yourself superior to me, got stand on a hill. That way people can see what " loving" people trads are. By the way, I just love the way you can't get your facts straight about the charismatic renewal. Last time I checked there was 120 million of us and about 9 million of you. I wonder why???????

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 I am the lowly servant of Mary, who is the Lord's handmaid. I do not think highly of myself but strive to be last. Jesus said: "Wide is the gate to hell and the road to it is easy, and there are many who travel it.... When judgement day comes, many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, do you not know us? We...

performed many miracles[e.g. speak in tongues]. Then, I will say to them. I do not know you. Get away from me, you wicked ones!" Was Jesus referring to the millions of charismatics?

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Unlike trads, Charismatics ask people to use their brain. Something you obvious won't or can't do. People check out the trad. catholicism and charismatic catholicism and see which is a legalistic nightmire that brings nothing but misery.

I sure hope you pull your head out of the sand before you die. By the way, go to a Jesuit University and dazzle them with your brilliance. They need a good laugh!

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 You have the habit of insulting others when you lose in your argument. This really show that your gift of tongue is not from God, who is Love, because St Paul said in 1Cor 13: 5 that "Love is not rude...If I have the gift of tongue but do not have love, I am a resounding gong..." By your vulgarity and hate, you have proven to the whole world that your gift of tongue is not from the God of Love.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Anyone who isn't a trad catholic is insulting???? I am tired of your nagging and trying to push your " facts" which are obviously wrong!!!

People have to check out trad. catholicism and charismatic catholicism for themselves. They have to make up there own minds.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 I am not trying to push/impose "my" facts. I agreed with you that people must check thoroughly the history of their faith in order to appreciate their faith. The more I study the faith of the world major religions, the more i respect them for their truth and understand why Catholicism demands that we respect the truth in other religions. I just do not like the snobbish attitude of the charismatic movements, which puts down all other religions and trad Catholicism.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang My snobbish attitude!!! You are a joke!!!! When you say that, take a look in the mirror!!! Trad. cAtholicism has been putting down anyone who isn't a trad for centuries. Years ago they used to burn them at the stake to" save their souls".Take the forrest out of your eye before you take the splinter out of your brother's eye!

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 I am referring to traditional Catholicism as defined by Vatican II Council. You are constantly trying to split the one and only Roman Catholic Church into 2: traditional catholicism and charismatic catholicism. If you are age 18 and above, please note that your schimatic attitude has automatically incurred excommunication. If you are unhappy with the Catholic Church, please leave the Roman Catholic Church and stops dividing the Roman Catholic Church.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Have you ever thought of taking people lessons some time????? God you are the most obnoxious trad. I have ever had the misfortunte of dealing with!!!

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Yes I am human. Suffering from a tumor on my spine tends to make you less patient than normal. For the love of God PLEASE GROW UP!!!

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 You know St Paul related the gift of tongues to childishness? In 1 Cor 13: 1,11: "If I could have all the human and angelic tongues, but had no love, I would be only be sounding brass or a clanging cymbal...When I was a child I thought and reasoned like child, but when I grew up, I gave up, I gave up childish ways (e.g. speaking in tongues." So if you want to grow up, please stop speaking in tongues. Instead, speak in love like Mother Teresa and the saints, OK? thank you.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang since you obviously can't handle the truth or the real world, go for it.. Stick your head in the sand like a good trad. and like in trad. world. A place were only " trad truth" lives. You sure are impressive!!!! And you wonder why catholic trads. are loved like nazis showing up at the wedding of a black, jewish couple.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Try taking bully lessons from ixtoc 999. When it comes to being a bully, you stink!

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 Only the devil and his disciples would love to bully others. My duty is to speak the truth in love and patience. Thus, there is nothing in common between the children of darkness (who bully) and the children of light (who love).

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang The flat eath society is looking for people like you. They " know better." The whole world thinks the earth is round but they know the earth is flat. They tirelessly push " their truth" because they are" right".

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 Sorry the church is not an authority on matters of science but faith. thus, i do not belong to the flat earth society.

[TML7777777]

@alfredpangchichiang Gee whiz, you forgot to mention that your"opinion" trumps the opinion of the Pope. The last 4 Popes have given their blessing to the Chsrismatic Renewal yet you " know Better" and you are out to tell everyone. You forgot one thing, Trads do everything possible not to think and have some " informed person" ie Marcel lefebvre think for them. I just tellling eveyone to check out the charismatic renewal for themselves. Don't let a trad. pee on your brain.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 My opinion is humble submission to Vatican II Council. Your wild, vulgaric and insulting gift of tongues have continually proven to the whole world, who view your remarks, that the charismatic movement is "renewing" the church towards vulgarity and hate. Jesus said: "Be on your guard against false propphets, they come to you looking like sheep on the outside but inside they are really WILD wolve... A healthy tree bears good fruit, but a poor tree cannot bear good fruit." Pls stop.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 My opinion is in accord with the Popes of the past and present Pope that the charismatic movement must be placed under the special charismatic commision to prevent it from becoming violent, vulgar, blasphemous against the Sacred Tradition of the Church, heretical and schismatic like the way that you are behaving now. Sorry that you have incurred automatic excommunication by insulting the Sacred Tradition of the Church , heretical and schismatic. I will pray for you.

[alfredpangchichiang]

@TML7777777 Charismatic, however, has its positive impact in leading people to read the scriptures and turn away from sin. This is not due to the gift of tongues but the acknowledgement of one's sinfulness. I would like to close discussion with fair statment that charismatic movement has its positive and negative impact on the church. Negative is what I had said. The positive things are the things that you have mentioned.

[TML7777777]

@wjweigand I can see why you are getting frustrated. You being peeing on mind for months and you haven't turned me into a brain dead, miserable, bittter legalistic yahoo like you!

[samxilef1]

Jesus Christ is Lord

[wjweigand]

samxile... yes Jesus Chris IS Lord and HE established ONE Church with ONE Faith and ONE Baptism. He also sent the Holy Ghost (the 3rd Person of the Blessed Trinity) to guide the Pope in ALL truth. The deposit of Faith handed down to the apostles was the same through the centuries and still remains the same. Protestantism and even the new phoney Novus Ordo Church are alien to that Unchangeable Faith.

[TML7777777]

You truly are a legend in your own mind. One thing is for sure, there is no way in hell i want to go where you are!!

Last time I checked there are approximately 115 million charismatic catholics in the world and around

5 to 10 million trads. Gee whiz who is winning!!!

[wjweigand]

St. Athanasius said that even if the number of true Catholics were reduced to a handful, .... that is where the Chruch of Christ would be.

[TML7777777]

Ah yes, when in doubt dredge up something historical which you misrepresent to meet your needs. Judging by your actions, I wouldn't be surprised that being a trad. means you have to be a good nazi or kKK members

[shjtyu]

@wjweigand Are you a charismatic catholic?

[wjweigand]

@shjtyu ... No, I am not. I am Catholic, period. There is only Catholic and non-Catholic (which includes heretics, protestants, schismatics, etc.).

[shjtyu]

@wjweigand So, can you tell me, what is a charismatic catholic?

[TML7777777]

What you are saying is Jesus called it quits at Vatican 2 and gave up on guiding and protecting the Church ?You trads are so humble. You step in for Jesus, you know more than the Pope. amazing!

[wjweigand]

I feel so sorry for these people who are being decieved by Satan. May God have mercy on them.

[barabellum80]

there is no satan by the way.

[PhoenixLament87]

In what way do you think them deceived?

[TML7777777]

Boy, you got me there. We all know there are numerous passages in the Bible where Satan commanded people to praisie Jesus and we all know Satan heals people in the name of Jesus. yes, we all know that Satan wants to heal bodies, minds, souls and put broken families back together. Yup, there is no way of challanging your brilliant trad. catholic logic.

[wjweigand]

Protestants "praise" Jesus too but falsely and without effect.

[TML7777777]

Thankfully Jesus isn't has petty and immature has a trad. catholic.

[wjweigand]

So are saying that the pre-Vatican II Popes were in error? And that therefore the Holy Ghost was not guiding the Church in ALL truth?

[TML7777777]

I follow live Popes, not dead ones. But if you want to be petty and immature like the good trad catholic you are, go for it. Times have changed. You obviously don't want to. I'm sure you enjoy being miserable.

John 23rd, JP2 and Benedict have got more class than any of the dead Popes you diefy. Have Fun !!!

[wjweigand]

So your answer to my question is "yes". You obviously belive that the Holy Ghost did lead the prevatican II Popes in error and therefore you call our Lord a liar.

[TML7777777]

@wjweigand Oh now I get it. Jesus is powerless without trads. Since he is "obviously failing to do his job" , you guys through the goodness of your hearts are doing his job. My aren't we good!