The Army doesn't exist in a vacuum and all of these potential effects are out there--even on official Army and DoD sites plus histories.
If someone is dumb enough to not even look at the basic history of the Army and/or talk to relatives and friends who are vets before joining, that's on them.
Otherwise, the Army's not for everyone and some people are just better off staying at home...
You, Sir, are a hypocrite! You put your pacifism over values like freedom, justice and equal rights. Nobody gets forced to join the US- Army and every sane person knows of the health risks of participating in a war. But without those brave men and women fighting for these values all over the world some of us would not even be here today. You highly benefit from this system but you ridicule those who secure it for you.
War is Freedom! Violence is Justice! Blind obedience enforces equal rights!
Alot of people aren't entirely prepared for what they go up against, and alot of that has to do with deceptive advertising and deceptive recruitment.
Such rose colored glasses are worn regarding the true nature of what war is, because when it is shown to be as ugly as it is, people stop joining. Do you ever wonder why poverty-stricken ethnic groups are targeted so heavily?
@Mathenaut So what do you want the Army to do then? Tell potential recruits exactly what could possibly (but not necessarily) happen to them? Make them stop join the Army? Stop fighting wars at all and just hope nobody will attack us? Poverty stricken groups don't join the Army because they are stupid, they join it because of the opportunities it offers, such as free health care and studentships. You should rather be thankful for what they do then complaint about them joining the military.
Is this a joke? You honestly think we are liable to get attacked if we STOP launching unfounded assaults on other countries? You think that makes us safe?
You think it is a good thing that groups are pushed into poverty, then aggressively pursued by recruiters to fight for causes responsible for said poverty, only for them to return home to a 1/4 chance of being homeless, and barely the support to get by if they are traumatized?
@Mathenaut I absolutely do. Compared to ten years ago Al-Qaida barely even exists nowadays, Osama and other high ranked leader are dead and their infrastructure is down. And since events like in NY, Madrid or London did not occur anymore I am sure that attacking those terrorists in their home countries made our lives safer. And those groups aren't "pushed" into poverty, gaps between poor and rich people are the price we pay for our liberty and free market economy. The alternatives are worse.
You need to get your head out of the conservtive media if you think that Al-Qaida was ever the threat that was claimed, given the fact that they were established, armed, and trained by the US.
Events like NY, Madrid, and London were rare to begin with, and given the fact that Iraq is wholly unrelated to them, no the war did nothing to 'save' us from that.
This kind of gap between rich and poor people is not necessary, much less any form of liberty. Christ, dude.
@Mathenaut Well the US didn't support them for sheer fun, one always has to consider the historical context. Talking smart two decades afterwards is not too much of a big accomplishment. Honestly thinking that they "established" AQ is liberal bullshit.
Since we were not attacked after 9/11 on U.S. soil the war changed something. And capitalism only works with people getting richer than others. The possibility for poor to become rich justifies the system. If you know working alternatives, tell us
It was to spite the Russians. It is no different than other countries arming the rebels to sabotage our efforts in Iraq. Osama himself was our man then, and we betrayed the whole lot of them. That's the American way.
We would not have been attacked again had we not gone to war. Attacking people that has nothing to do with it, then betraying a former operative, have nothing to do with keeping us safe.
Exploitation of the poor to buffet the rich will cause revolt.
@Mathenaut Expropriation of the rich to make everyone poor thankfully already caused revolt in the early 90s in about every socialist country on earth.
And concerning your theory on war, we would have to fully isolate ourselves from the world not to be attacked. That however would be highly inappropriate and unethical. Without US soldiers fighting for freedom all over the world Auschwitz would still be active, Hussein would still kill Kurds with gas and the Taliban would still burn sinners.
You don't even know what socialism is, much less know about what happened in the early 90s and why. You're just turning a convenient blind eye to the protesting and discontent happening now, right? Right.
Secondly, you have some serious doublethink going on there. You're trying to justify preemptive war as ethical and appropriate. What a joke!
Don't sell the propaganda line, I already know what it is. War profiteering is not 'freedom'.
@Mathenaut Well, just telling me how wrong I am without bringing up any reasonable arguments on your own seems a bit cheap. Those people back then risked their very lives protesting against an intolerant regime that didn't accept any kind of opposition, thousands had to die in socialist prisons and borders before they were finally free. Comparing those heroes to the Occupy-movement, of whom most already got bored anyways and returned back to their capitalist goods at home, is plain wrong.
I do not see how it is relevant. Your being wrong has nothing to do with any position I advocate.
Also, you're conflating communism, socialism, and fascism. Beck may not know the difference, but ignorance is no excuse for you.
As for Occupy, it's funny how you claim they 'got bored' when establishments had to resort to violent force against them because they wouldn't 'give up and go home'. Oh and they're still there. Many of them are war veterans.
@Mathenaut You can't just state things in a discussion without giving reasonable explanations, it makes your whole argumentation seem non-serious and empty. Also, as history shows, there is not too much of a difference between the practical realization of socialism and fascism (or better: national socialism). The theory of socialism may look better, but comparing the practical realization of capitalism with the Utopia of socialism doesn't seem fair to me.
I'm disputing your claim that preemptive war against parties unrelated to an attack on us would, somehow, make us more safe.
I'm disputing your claim that the poor must be exploited by the rich 'for freedom and liberty'.
And I'm criticizing your ignorance of socialism, fascism, and communism; much less history. By your reasoning, I should criticize capitalism by the assertion that it leads to oligarchy and corporatism, while ignoring the differences between.
@Mathenaut Preemptive war against parties unrelated to an attack on us won't make us safer, however Al-Quaida and the Taliban are quite frankly related to attacks on us. I said that there must be the opportunity for people to become richer then others for the bigger cause, higher life standards for society as a whole. Not that exploitation causes liberty. You on the other hand said that I don't understand a thing about history and socialism and yet you couldn't explain to me why that is.
Here's the million dollar question: What relation did Al-Quaida and the Taliban have to Iraq, prior to our invasion?
The opportunity for others to become rich doesn't require the exploitation of the poor and the working class.
I criticize your understanding of history and socialism because you conflate socialism, fascism, and communism in a historical context that is invalid due to your inability to distinguish them.
Don't be surprised if the Fed's coming knocking at your door. The Army does not ridicule, especially with their own content. And you didn't have the express consent to reuse, redistribute, modify the video content or message. I'm just saying...
@darkdan4ever LOL, those are breech-able too. If big USA want to get you, hiding behind a VPN any court order to release the actual IP's isn't hard to get. Ask the folks from the '05 who pirated all the songs and big US government found them and got them in court. I'm just saying...
That was the pirate bay. And no, they didn't get the actual pirates, so they got the owners of the site that did nothing illegal to 'send a message'. Spectacular failure, just like Iraq.
Yeah, I support the military. Suppose the shoe were on the other foot and we were the ones being invaded and having "democracy" shoved down our throats... You wouldn't fight back?
I support the military, but they are idiots just like the other 90% of Americans. We are not fighting a war, we're sticking our noses in other's shit. If you have anything to say to this, please tell me about the ratio of Iraq or Libya related news compared to Mexico related news the average person hears daily.
Great video, uploader. Horrible job on the defensive stance, military.
All these are things the soldiers live with so others can live in a world safe from people who do not like your way of life. If you don't stand behind your troops do feel free to stand in front of them, and get out of the country they protect and sacrifice for.
I wasnt drafted, I volunteerd for this, I raised my hand on my own and signed that dotted line, I do it with pride and well aware of the risks its not as easy as you probably think it is to join, it gives you enough time to learn what can really happen, but we still do it, of course there are fucked up things about the military but someone has to do it, I do it for my country, you do your thing for the country and I thank you for it just know we're not ignorant. PFC xxx 79th brigade STB
Know body made them join. They did it to fight for there country something of pride and honor. So all these anti military need to sit down and shut the fuck up. with them you wouldnt be able to stand up and question them and run them down. we would be attacked and speaking some other lanuage than what we do, with differnt customs. if not for our men and women in the armed forces.
@3underdog7 You my friend have been mislead. Each of us have our own reason for joining. The sad truth is the majority of us joined for the money and when we are on the battlefield or at home with our families the last thing we are thinking about is fighting to protect this country. When you slaughtered countless people just to get to a few armed individuals, your mind searches to justify ur actions as human being but nothing comes to mind and you have to chalk it up as "protecting ur country."
@o8mugen8o I see what you are saying. im about 50/50 on what i said about the honor and pride, everybody has their own reasons for joining. but why would you want to chalk it up. Why not just tell the truth? or improve tactics to spare the lives of the innocent?
@3underdog7 Because it doesn't work that way. U do what ur ordered 'no more, no less'. U never been to combat have u? Sure we could go with the truth, "the innocent had to die to kill like 4-7 bad guys' But now ur questioning ur own morality because no matter how u put it, u still took innocent life. That's like them coming over here for 3 guys and killed 100 innocent people along the way. These people are just like u and me. Its easy to say they deserve it when its not happening to u.
@3underdog7 Oh and improving military tactics? Not gunna happen... We are funded by the lowest bidder. Do you think the military would send a missile or any other type of equipment that cost millions of dollars before they would send a soldier or marine that only cost them about a couple thousand? We wish that happened but it doesn't. So our strategies are designed for the highest survival rate of our teams, not for the innocents there. But thats still not an excuse for taking innocent lives...
you are the biggest fucking faggot on the face of the earth. I have never made a better decision than to join the military. It made me stronger physically and mentally, and gave my life purpose.
For one, you would have to be the biggest fucking moron in the world to think joining the Army would bring no stress or risk of death. Stop being pussies and sign up, oh and all the anti military fags, what would you do when theres no one left to die for your bullshit about how America would be better without a military, tell that to north korea fucking morons
Could you add the final disclaimer, "if you're not a butt-hurt pussy who actually realised what military life was going to entail and signed up to be part of something greater than yourself to serve a nation whose freedom of speech allows people to speak against you, thank you?"
@LordofMofo Tell me when was the last time Army Strong beating up a white country since WW2 ? Korea? Vietnam? Grenada? Nicaragua? Somalia? Iraq? Afghanistan? and now Libya? I don't see no white people there do you? Typical bully.
Yeah, we should probably invade a white country just to get that balance....honestly? Worst reasoning ever. hahaha. You're a moron. (By the way...Kosovo)
@777NVN um Cold War? other than that European countries haven't been aggressive towards American interests. Whats all this anti white crap anyway? Africans have been hacking each other to shreds for thousands of years and you don't mention that. Typical libtard
@wiselionman yeah i'm sure that you're stronger than a soldier. Have you ever been shot at by someone who had every intent to kill you? have you ever died for people you didn't even know? Have you ever spent months away from your family while fighting for what you know in your heart is right? didn't think so. Ignorant Pukes like you make me sick.
@shantheman12096 Have you ever died for people you don't even know? When your always loyal goyim to ZioNazis fighting their battles for them while they make hundreds of millions a year selling weapons to both sides, your mind is dead and rotten and only an inhumane shell remains. Once you know the war profiteers and propagandists you will no longer fight for them, if you have any heart and balls you will fight to end the Federal Reserve and ZIONAZI rule over the United States. Merry Christmas
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There's fagets then there's flaming hot homosexuals and then there is you u whore I got to 57 seconds and was puking my American guts out ur such a fag screw yourself they give lives everyday so pussies like you can be tree hugging homo vegetarians fuck you ur a fucking pussy go to Iraq for one day see how some eastern faget like urself last over thr u bitch that's a god damn sucker punch to every soldier sailor marine or air man u fag
Even if you didn't tell us you were military, it would be evident from your foul language, crappy spelling and general inability to express a coherent idea. Go USA.
I'm capable of expressing coherent ideas, capable of spelling, and I am capable of NOT using "foul language" (because only soldiers have that right?) And by the way, It's extremely apparent he's not in the military...for the reasons you expressed...not the other way around. Not to mention his username. I would have expected someone elevated, intelligent, and prestigious as you to pick up on a detail like that. "mw2lancer" really?
@mw2lancer I'm a veteran, and I think this video is spot-on. So stop speaking for me, ok? This (former) airman thinks ur the fag for spouting off like this.
@mw2lancer I'm a veteran, and I think this video is spot-on. So stop speaking for me, ok? This (former) airman thinks ur the f** for spouting off like this.
There is no doubt that defending your country is honorable. But blindly doing it because another told you to caries no honor at all. At this time the American government is not working for the good of all of it's people. This lends to doubt and a form of internal rot that brings down the mightiest of nations. Solders should be proud to fight for their nation, but can they be when their orders come from questionable people?
I feel every man and woman who voluteers for the army should be automatically given a house that can not be ceased, a car, tax breaks for life, free education for their children, free and quality medical care....and some more perks. They also should be able to slap a draft dodging or none-serving war hawk politician if they desire, without any repercussions.
A free house, no taxes, free Kid's college etc? Are you promoting welfare? Are you promoting veterans be held above other hard working Americans, in another class above them?
So, when those in power send our boys and girls off to fight and die, the soldiers should never question orders, acting like obedient police dogs, working as terrorists for the powerful, all for free Healthcare and a home which we should be entitled to?
As an Army Vet it makes me sick to see what is happening to our country and our citizens today. Not that this isn't just part of the the continuing saga of of what Marine Gen. Smedley Butler knew: "War is a Racket".
Bring back the draft with no deferments. Your number comes up you go!
When the working class and poor are no longer offered up as cannon fodder for the wealthy then we will see governments reconsider engaging in wars.
Check out Veterans for Peace, it is a great organization.
As an Army Vet it makes me sick to see what is happening to our country and our citizens today. Not that this isn't just part of the the continuing saga of of what Marine Gen. Smedley Butler knew: "War is a Racket".
Bring back the draft with no deferments. Your number comes up you go!
When the working class and poor are no longer offered up as cannon fodder for the wealthy then we will see governments reconsider engaging in wars.
Check out Veterans for Peace, it is a great organization.
The Draft is helpful in dissuading our handlers from starting wars of aggression and Empire.
However, as in the GW Bush case, his Senator/ CIA Daddy bought him a cozy slot in the Arkansas Natl Air Guard, where he never had to show up and got credit as a war-hero/ Veteran.
Politicians kids should be made to serve first, before any others and only in the infantry, where it hurts worst to lose.
@umhalil You just point people to videos in an intelligent way. You say to view those about the Constitution and none of the videos you have listed have titles saying anything about this topic. I saw one or two titles that seem like the videos might refer to the Constitution, but the titles of these videos also lack any mention of "Constitution" and I'm not going to take time to view all of your f*cking videos. You communicate like a stuck-up conceited brat and, therefore, idiot.
@umhalil Before I don't get something, it's you who doesn't. There is a Constitution, it's provable, and it's not idiots like you who can prove that something that's provable is not provable! Even Pres. GW Bush recognized the existence of the Constitution when he mocked it as "just a piece of paper", instead of saying it doesn't exist. You're not done with me, for you never started or were anything with me. You're an egotistical, conceited brat unworthy of respect, as you treat others, moron
@umhalil Continuing about your channel's videos on the US Constitution, which ones? And by who? You have a video for which the title says that the 1995 OKC bombing was an Israeli job, but it wasn't. It was an inside job and there's STRONG proof of this; not to be found in corporate news media, but definitely available online. Plenty of witnesses and also official efforts obstructed by the federal and Okla. state govts, and accounts from govt agents and employees at the building. Et cetera.
@umhalil Visting your channel for the truth about the US Constitution? I understand one fundamental reality about it and it's that it could never be legally done today. It was imperialism, colonialism, genocide, and so on. However, that's history that can't be undone. The govt, however, must abide by what the Constitution says and which is to abide by treaties, which really are laws; national and international treaties, all treaties the govt enters into.
@umhalil Continuing from my last reply to you, BUT too many military personnel are not vigilant and defenders of the Constitution. They are either of the corruptors, or choose to stay silent in order to maintain their salaries, promotional opportunities, et cetera. Too many do the opposite of defending the Constitution. Too many wittingly, and silently, secretly aid and abet the corruptors, while many others unwittingly do this. These, the former anyway, are NOT Constitutional military people!
@umhalil No soldier or other military personnel should become "order taking robots" and the U.S. Constitution makes this sufficiently clear, even if it isn't stated explicitly. The Constitution makes it clear that it's essential for citizens to maintain vigilance, [including] against corruption of the govt and, therefore, against domestic corruptors. This vigilance requires developing and then maintaining [critical] minds for critical awareness and action(s). Soldiers need to live up to this.
@umhalil "military minded" can mean different things. If we consider it in a Constitutional sense, then we can understand "military minded" as simply or only meaning being prepared to serve in defense of the country and Constitution when and if needed, while living an ordinary, non-military life the rest of the time. But we unfortunately have anti-Constitutional senior officers, rogues, corruption, traitors (Constitutionally), et cetera. And think there's too much bureaucracy.
@umhalil It's probably or surely not good to make a career out of being in the military. Its bureaucracy and culture surely can't stay uncorrupted for long. As many people say, "Power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely". I am not against serving in defense when and if truly attacked, but it'd surely be better if this was done only on an as needed basis; returning to civilian life the rest of the time. Not all officers are guilty for crimes, but nearly all are SILENT ....
@umhalil Or maybe you were military minded, in a or the Constitutional sense, while the military chiefs aren't. (?) I enlisted in the USN and left because a panel of hypocritical senior officers gave me two options, to leave or stay and follow orders, and they evidently weren't expecting me to opt for leaving; but I saw through their bs and won't follow orders from people who're clearly hypocrites. If they're hypocrites, then there's more to their criminality! They're un-Constitutional, not me.
@umhalil You were never fooled. Good. Not everyone was. Millions weren't, but the majority in the U.S. were; a high majority. But over 20% weren't. I did not send you this video, but you're welcome to comment. And it's true that the war was not officially declared, but the Congress has more-or-less done so by giving its constant "blessings" to or for the war; the ROGUE Congress. And it's great that you're retired from the USAF and against the bs war and war of terrorism; clearly of, not on.
Having working as an overnight volunteer at a homeless shelter for 4 years, another side effect is persistent homelessness: our most reliable population was Vietnam Vets.
The brutalization of war affects all -- down through the generations
And accomplishes... nothing but to serve as the cause for future retaliatory war
Give peace the same chance we have given war: at least 2,000 years
Then we can have tribunals and listen to the testimonies of all victims of peace
dfont forget the gulf war disease and the beyond treason documentary stuff, they poison you then deny you an illness, also they will expose you and test on you
They say, "There is nothing stronger than the US Army" but any idiot knows, the gasoline engine is stronger than a bicycle. Any idiot also knows, you can shut down the engine by pulling a wire off the distributor, or pulling the gas line. The essential question is how you use the engine. For example: a power saw is stronger than a hand saw. But don't get your fingers in front of the blade. He who controls the saw is what matters (Will it be the Neocons? the Dick Cheneys?) Don't join.
@mikecorbell You notice that I wrote "Perhaps." I've heard analyses that WWII was also unnecessary. I don't subscribe to that.
I knew men who fought in Spain AND in WWII. One of them lost two brothers in Spain. When he came home, he spent most of his time sleeping on the couch. We knew little about PTSD, but he clearly suffered from that.
How many Iraq vets are committing suicide today? These soldiers are in pain--psychological and physical. This video is pretty accurate.
@MrGrevy Try to make sense. What are you so sure about the troops appreciating? And what makes you think that "they overwhelmingly vote republican"? If looking for sickness, then see a doctor.
I get agitated when I have to watch a long ad for the National Guard at a movie theater because I know they are sucking kids into the National Guard. When I was in the army reserves, we would never be sent into combat. Not true today. Why do we have our military in 175 countries? Is it for our freedom or is it to prop up all our corporations around the world? Perhaps the former was true through WWII, but remember Eisenhower's warning in the early '50s about the "military-industrial complex."
@lromfried Quote: "Why do we have our military in 175 countries? Is it for our freedom or is it to prop up all our corporations around the world? Perhaps the former was true through WWII, but remember Eisenhower's warning in the early '50s about the "military-industrial complex."" The former was never true, albeit WW II is argued to be an exception. And besides remembering Pres. Eisenhower's warning, REMEMBER Smedley Butler and that US wars are a RACKET.
I wonder if this person was scared, or even nervous, as he made this video? No? Could it be that this video simply proves that the Army, (and other branches of the military that he obviously loathes so much,) are succeeding in their job of protecting the freedom's he takes for granted, but with is denied in most countries in the world?
Dave (USMC Vet, combat wounded and paralyzed from the armpits down, and yes, it was worth it!)
Utterly disgusting. Thank god there are people willing to fight for this country and reject the effeminate anti military nonsense. You should be ashamed.
@MrGrevy There may be people willing to fight for the US, but: 1) many US troops in Iraq are very ptsd'd and do [not] really know what they're doing; 2) many or most troops in Iraq have realized like earlier US troops who served in Iraq and who've since become against both wars, they learned that the war on Iraq, f.e., was based on LIES, which is an act that only a criminal US presidency and criminal US military command would and could commit; 3) first oath, DEFEND against domestic enemies TOO.
@mikecorbeil Oh I see. You have a condescending/parental attitude towards the troops. They're good kids, but they're too dumb to understand what they're doing or the impact it has on their lives. What makes you think you are correct about that? Let's drop the 'war based on lies' nonsense as well. It wasn't credible then and it isn't now. Everyone thought he had wmds, even the dems. You lose all credibility when you paint presidents as war criminals - regardless of party.
@MrGrevy I don't have a condescending or parental view of the troops. I have a critical and [alert] view of reality. I did and do not say that they're "good kids". There are many ass*oles in the west, and the govt, the body politic mostly consists of major ass*oles. And the "war based on lies" is by no measure nonsense, and, absolutely not everyone believe the bs coming out of the White House. Get an education. Try learning from John Stockwell, Ralph McGehee, and other former CIA, f.e.
@MrGrevy Other people to refer to are documentary makers like John Pilger. Others to learn from include John Perkins. There are US war veterans; VAW, IVAW, and others to LEARN from. There's former USMC Major General Smedley Butler. But sound common sense keeps us alert and critically questioning, especially on important issues. I don't know what age you are, but I was further ahead at age 15 for crying out loud! Get an education, a real one.
@mikecorbeil Oh so you're a tv educated jackass. Makes sense. Please provide some evidence from primary sources to back up your paranoid nonsense claims. Talk about uneducated god I almost feel bad for you. Go protest an NWO meeting and get arrested you goofy twit.
@MrGrevy What paranoid nonsense claims? Do you mean about the present wars being based on LIES from domestic enemies, traitors in high offices of US govt? If you don't perceive the liars, then you best stand in front of a mirror before calling other people jack asses. Only IDIOTS still don't perceive the LIES and the extremely high treason the "leadership" has been been committing for ... hell, a lot longer than a decade, now. And the official story on 9/11 is BOGUS!
@mikecorbeil Except that there are many people in the IVAW to include those in leadership positions that have never deployed to a combat zone. Yet they are refereed to like they have been. Even if they did deploy they stayed on the bases and never left to do missions.
@Sporkmater Name them. IVAW means Iraq War [Veterans] Against the War. Some might be veterans of the US war on Iraq in 1991 and not from the present, 2003 and ongoing US-led war there. IVAW's members also provided three or four days, March 13th to 16th, 2008, testimonies during Winter Soldier, over 200 U.S. military veterans and active duty soldiers according to Wikipedia's page, "Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan". NEVERTHELESS, they are [all] right to oppose these wars today!
@mikecorbeil Lets see. Matthas who is on the Board of Directors has never been to Iraq and he spent all of 6 days in Afghanistan on a well protected base that he never left.
Carl Webb that has never been to ether place but tried to get a real vet Porterto damage vehicles while in Iraq.
Geof “Stolen Valor” Millard who claims to have been in Iraq has no proof that he accutly went there also is sporting a CIB that he could not have earned as a millitary policeman.
@mikecorbeil Before I continue further it should be noted that I am not trying to debate if the Iraq war, rather is when the IVAW claims that their membership if is largely comprised of Iraq vet that have seen what was going on first hand and that they are a veterans group that is really interested in helping these Veterans.
But in reality it is being lead more and more by people who have never been Iraq or stayed on the base. Also to use any real vets as prompts by the groups like the ISO.
@Sporkmater If the IVAW is basing itself on or in fraud, then this is definitely unacceptable and should be made widely known, but each allegation of fraud needs to be carefully proven and, so far, you haven't provided sufficient proof. F.e., Tim Goodrich said he served in the 2002 bombings on Iraq to take out Iraqi defenses and no one has proven that he's been lying about this. And this is not incredible. The US conducts many covert, black ops, past and present.
@mikecorbeil Which is the point and each case is what has been reported by people who have left IVAW because of the fact that it is becoming more and more about who supports the ISO. The International Socialist Organization. But if anyone pulled the stunts that they did in the past they would have been shot. But that is one thing about remote aircraft unless he flew personally into Iraq airspace it does not count. Also the war started in 2003.
@Sporkmater I never read that Tim Goodrich was talking about remotely controlled aircraft, and I don't know if it was him, but I read several years ago about some USAF bomber crew member speaking about the 2002 bombings. He said that he was among the crew during the flights.
@Sporkmater I know nothing about ISO, but there also isn't much difference between socialism and capitalism when considering the top "elites". They aren't really enemies. Cronies controlling socialism and capitalism is always bad. The ISO might possibly be another George Soros invention. He pretends to be of the left, et cetera, but he's still a wicked imperialist. He's a real con and has a lot of fans on the so-called left. He supported war on Kosovo for imperialism, his sort of capitalism
@Sporkmater Completing what my last reply to you said re. Tim Goodrich and it not being incredible that the U.S. conducted bombings on Iraqi defenses in 2002, this is meant conceptually. One question that came to mind when reading about what he said when it first was reported is why Saddam Hussein didn't say anything publicly about these bombings, for he surely would've known about these actions. US news media not reporting is one thing. Iraqi silence is another.
@mikecorbeil But our method of air strikes until recently was with manned aircraft over remote. We were only using remote aircraft as small observation planes. Plus the people that fly the Predators are flying them from the safety of a US base on the main land. So it would seem that they would not need to have a base nearby unless the aircraft was manned. The F117 would have been a likely plane type used.
@mikecorbeil Rick Duncan a convulsive liar that posed as a Gay Marine Captain with multi-tours. Turned out to be a escape mental patient. But that did not stop IVAW from using him.
Jessie Macbeth The person who washed out of basic but Ivaw had no problems letting him make a video about being a Army Ranger and committing many war crimes under the IVAW Banner.
James Morriss Did not finish basic but made claims that his CO told him to kill a random person, but he has never deployed. but in IVAW.
@Sporkmater There's no "James Morriss" listed or mentioned at IVAW, except in a Winter Soldier pdf file, and WS was over two years ago! There's only one mention of a "Jesse MacBeth" (not Jessie) and it's in an ivaw.org page for a statement by Joshua Farris, who clearly says that MacBeth is a "criminal fraud" that IVAW had unfortunately been suckered by, but which IVAW corrected after learning he was a "criminal fraud". Also see, "Rick Duncan and Fake Vets" of May 21st, 2009, at ivaw.org.
@Sporkmater It's unfortunate, for maybe other Youtubers reading in this page of back-and-forth ... would be interested in the rest of this exchange, but go ahead and send the information using messages.
@Sporkmater You "can send anyone who is interested in the claims against (I)VAW"? You can send them where or what, when, how, which way, ...? What is this, Oz?
@Sporkmater The May 21st, 2009, article at IVAW I already gave the title for begins by saying that Rick Duncan "was recently exposed as a fraud by members of an organization he helped found, the Colorado Veterans Alliance" and that while there was a profile of him at IVAW.org, he was never a member of IVAW. But CVA gave him the boot and, so, he's given the boot by all real anti-war veterans in the U.S. Try to do some RESEARCH instead of spreading lies!
@mikecorbeil Jacob Flom another non-Iraq Vet. But is the President of the IVAW Chapter in Milwaukee.
Tim Goodrich Only got to Turkey and never went into Iraq in military service.
Victor Agosto Did go to Iraq and sits on the Board, but by his own words he never left the FOB.
Andre Shepard Another vet who never left the FOB in 6 months and has made claims that I can personally say are not true. We went AWOL and is seeking asylum in Germany as of late 2008.
@Sporkmater Jacob Flom is said to be President of IVAW in some pages, but maybe this is past tense and someone else is the President today. He's not listed as a member, but there is no natural law of the cosmos that requires that an anti-war military veterans' organization have only war veterans as presidents, vp's, and directors. And if he's a Vietnam or Gulf War I war veteran, then he's a war veteran and you'd be full of whining bs.
@Sporkmater Tim Goodrich is an Iraq War veteran, for he served for the purpose of this war. He was in the USAF and not everyone in the USAF who contributed to this war set foot in Iraq, but all of those who did are Iraq War veterans. The article, "Iraq War Veterans' Presence in DC Unreported" at Truthout.org Sept. 26th, 2005, says that he was "an electronics technician on E-3 AWACS surveillance aircraft" so it's very possible he didn't step foot in Iraq, but he's clearly an Iraq War veteran.
@Sporkmater I don't know where you got your information about Victor Agosto, but he's an Iraq War veteran and IVAW.org's Board of Directors page says he "enlisted in the Army in August 2005" and was "deployed to Iraq in October 2006 as 25F (Network Switching Systems Operator/Maintainer) and returned in November 2007". Given his job, it's likely that he mostly stayed on base in Iraq, but this does not make him a non-veteran of the Iraq War! Your argument against him is bs!
@Sporkmater Re. Andre Shepard. It seems that I have to do all of your homework for you, but I'll do it so that other people who read this page can get the correct information. IVAW.org has one or two pages mentioning him and one is an article about him having gone awol and seeking asylum in Germany. I tried a general Web search and didn't find any negatives in the first Google page of results. You'll have to describe what you claim that he lied about.
@mikecorbeil Also know that in order to be a member of the IVAW according to the website is to be active military after 9/11 not before. Not during the Gulf War or anything that followed in the 90s.
Also the Winter Solider really did not have anything ground breaking. I mean one guy cried about almost having to shoot someone. Another person Koksh, ADdam talked about war trophies when he tried to smuggle in a Iraqi handgun.
Except out of those number which are really active?
@Sporkmater There are many IVAW members who were, at one time, on active duty. Just because they ceased being on active duty doesn't mean that they did not actively serve in one military role or another in Iraq or in direct relation to the war on Iraq. Did General Tommy Franks join the ground forces in Iraq, or was his role only to command the opening attacks, bombings from a US Naval ship? I never read about him having been in Iraq for this war, but he definitely "served" in it.
@Sporkmater Also, I would not get picky about whether IVAW members are veterans of the present war on Iraq or the one of 1991. I would not even care if they had members who are veterans of the war on Afghanistan and never served in the war on Iraq, and my not caring about this is not only due the fact that both of these wars are for the same RACKET purpose, and both are based on the false flag attacks of 9/11 used as a pretext for both of these wars of aggression. Et cetera.
@Sporkmater But I was ahead of all of these US military veterans, some of whom became anti-war, while others only became opposed to the present wars on Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush et al [never] fooled me for an instant! I was a little fooled at first about the claim that Osama bin Laden was supposedly responsible, mastermind for the 9/11 attacks, but was never fooled into believing either war could be justifiable. They weren't, from the get-go, and this was really obvious!
@Sporkmater Sporkmater, you're either an idiot, or a liar. Not many US soldiers stayed on bases during their whole time in Iraq and Afghanistan during the present wars there. Some military personnel did, because they're the office kind of personnel, or the work they do simply is base work and not doing tours, f.e. Your reply is moronic, and that's if you're not blatantly lying, fabricating half-truths, et cetera.
@MrGrevy True defenders defend not only against foreign enemies, but also DOMESTIC ones; and the US really doesn't have foreign ones, though Israel is arguably, provably an exception. The true defenders of the country and Constitution, as well as our Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence have been and continue to be the DISSIDENTS. To dissent against criminals usurping The People's govt, etc., is the patriotic way. To server the usurpers is to serve the domestic enemies.
@mikecorbeil, 100% correct, foreign or domestic! don't forget they also get to come home and join the police force and rough people up and have door to door training!
@zackgonnasurvivenwo Quote: "here we go...let me guess....one of those "damn zionists" guys?" What the hell are you talking about? I said nothing pro-zionist whatsoever. And if you can't be sepcific in or with your stupid remarks, then consider not posting. Otherwise your stupidity becomes obvious.
@KaptKan1 Well, if we want to have a conscience, after developing one, at which point we better appreciate it and appreciating means protecting, then we better make sure that we do [not] blindly believe people most people call the leaders, for the latter have been repeatedly proving that they're leaders of nothing; besides deception, lies, that is. We have to be critical. If people had been in 2008, then none of Obama, Clinton or McCain would've won election. 3rd-parties would've strong support
@MrGrevy Few, if any, US troops realized what they were really accepting to fight for. Like the population in the U.S., most were FOOLED by the criminals who usurped, hijacked, corrupted, ... the govt, and destroyed the Republic more .... But a real defender of the country and its laws is a person who always maintains criticial awareness and is, therefore, always alert against being fooled by traitors in high govt offices. Most people were irresponsible. A real defender must be [responsible].
This is the best thing I've ever seen, I hate that it has received so many dislikes; too many ignorant retardes in this world.
PrivateJoker17 2 weeks ago
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beansemo 3 weeks ago
The Army doesn't exist in a vacuum and all of these potential effects are out there--even on official Army and DoD sites plus histories.
If someone is dumb enough to not even look at the basic history of the Army and/or talk to relatives and friends who are vets before joining, that's on them.
Otherwise, the Army's not for everyone and some people are just better off staying at home...
Todkaninchen 2 months ago
There are a few who really are strong, and then there the Pussies. hahaha
Downer01 2 months ago
all symptoms of the people who are mentally weak and unfit for the military.
TAYLORGANGARMY 2 months ago
I think the H in LDRSHIP should be Honesty instead of Honor. Just a personal opinion.
guitarhamster102 2 months ago
You, Sir, are a hypocrite! You put your pacifism over values like freedom, justice and equal rights. Nobody gets forced to join the US- Army and every sane person knows of the health risks of participating in a war. But without those brave men and women fighting for these values all over the world some of us would not even be here today. You highly benefit from this system but you ridicule those who secure it for you.
TaleOfValors 2 months ago
@TaleOfValors
War is Freedom! Violence is Justice! Blind obedience enforces equal rights!
Alot of people aren't entirely prepared for what they go up against, and alot of that has to do with deceptive advertising and deceptive recruitment.
Such rose colored glasses are worn regarding the true nature of what war is, because when it is shown to be as ugly as it is, people stop joining. Do you ever wonder why poverty-stricken ethnic groups are targeted so heavily?
Mathenaut 1 month ago
@Mathenaut So what do you want the Army to do then? Tell potential recruits exactly what could possibly (but not necessarily) happen to them? Make them stop join the Army? Stop fighting wars at all and just hope nobody will attack us? Poverty stricken groups don't join the Army because they are stupid, they join it because of the opportunities it offers, such as free health care and studentships. You should rather be thankful for what they do then complaint about them joining the military.
TaleOfValors 1 month ago
@TaleOfValors
Is this a joke? You honestly think we are liable to get attacked if we STOP launching unfounded assaults on other countries? You think that makes us safe?
You think it is a good thing that groups are pushed into poverty, then aggressively pursued by recruiters to fight for causes responsible for said poverty, only for them to return home to a 1/4 chance of being homeless, and barely the support to get by if they are traumatized?
Get real.
Mathenaut 1 month ago
@Mathenaut I absolutely do. Compared to ten years ago Al-Qaida barely even exists nowadays, Osama and other high ranked leader are dead and their infrastructure is down. And since events like in NY, Madrid or London did not occur anymore I am sure that attacking those terrorists in their home countries made our lives safer. And those groups aren't "pushed" into poverty, gaps between poor and rich people are the price we pay for our liberty and free market economy. The alternatives are worse.
TaleOfValors 1 month ago
@TaleOfValors
You need to get your head out of the conservtive media if you think that Al-Qaida was ever the threat that was claimed, given the fact that they were established, armed, and trained by the US.
Events like NY, Madrid, and London were rare to begin with, and given the fact that Iraq is wholly unrelated to them, no the war did nothing to 'save' us from that.
This kind of gap between rich and poor people is not necessary, much less any form of liberty. Christ, dude.
Mathenaut 1 month ago
@Mathenaut Well the US didn't support them for sheer fun, one always has to consider the historical context. Talking smart two decades afterwards is not too much of a big accomplishment. Honestly thinking that they "established" AQ is liberal bullshit.
Since we were not attacked after 9/11 on U.S. soil the war changed something. And capitalism only works with people getting richer than others. The possibility for poor to become rich justifies the system. If you know working alternatives, tell us
TaleOfValors 1 month ago
@TaleOfValors
It was to spite the Russians. It is no different than other countries arming the rebels to sabotage our efforts in Iraq. Osama himself was our man then, and we betrayed the whole lot of them. That's the American way.
We would not have been attacked again had we not gone to war. Attacking people that has nothing to do with it, then betraying a former operative, have nothing to do with keeping us safe.
Exploitation of the poor to buffet the rich will cause revolt.
Mathenaut 1 month ago
@Mathenaut Expropriation of the rich to make everyone poor thankfully already caused revolt in the early 90s in about every socialist country on earth.
And concerning your theory on war, we would have to fully isolate ourselves from the world not to be attacked. That however would be highly inappropriate and unethical. Without US soldiers fighting for freedom all over the world Auschwitz would still be active, Hussein would still kill Kurds with gas and the Taliban would still burn sinners.
TaleOfValors 1 month ago
@TaleOfValors
You don't even know what socialism is, much less know about what happened in the early 90s and why. You're just turning a convenient blind eye to the protesting and discontent happening now, right? Right.
Secondly, you have some serious doublethink going on there. You're trying to justify preemptive war as ethical and appropriate. What a joke!
Don't sell the propaganda line, I already know what it is. War profiteering is not 'freedom'.
Mathenaut 1 month ago
@Mathenaut Well, just telling me how wrong I am without bringing up any reasonable arguments on your own seems a bit cheap. Those people back then risked their very lives protesting against an intolerant regime that didn't accept any kind of opposition, thousands had to die in socialist prisons and borders before they were finally free. Comparing those heroes to the Occupy-movement, of whom most already got bored anyways and returned back to their capitalist goods at home, is plain wrong.
TaleOfValors 1 month ago
@TaleOfValors
I do not see how it is relevant. Your being wrong has nothing to do with any position I advocate.
Also, you're conflating communism, socialism, and fascism. Beck may not know the difference, but ignorance is no excuse for you.
As for Occupy, it's funny how you claim they 'got bored' when establishments had to resort to violent force against them because they wouldn't 'give up and go home'. Oh and they're still there. Many of them are war veterans.
Mathenaut 1 month ago
@Mathenaut You can't just state things in a discussion without giving reasonable explanations, it makes your whole argumentation seem non-serious and empty. Also, as history shows, there is not too much of a difference between the practical realization of socialism and fascism (or better: national socialism). The theory of socialism may look better, but comparing the practical realization of capitalism with the Utopia of socialism doesn't seem fair to me.
TaleOfValors 1 month ago
@TaleOfValors
I'm disputing your claim that preemptive war against parties unrelated to an attack on us would, somehow, make us more safe.
I'm disputing your claim that the poor must be exploited by the rich 'for freedom and liberty'.
And I'm criticizing your ignorance of socialism, fascism, and communism; much less history. By your reasoning, I should criticize capitalism by the assertion that it leads to oligarchy and corporatism, while ignoring the differences between.
Mathenaut 1 month ago
@Mathenaut Preemptive war against parties unrelated to an attack on us won't make us safer, however Al-Quaida and the Taliban are quite frankly related to attacks on us. I said that there must be the opportunity for people to become richer then others for the bigger cause, higher life standards for society as a whole. Not that exploitation causes liberty. You on the other hand said that I don't understand a thing about history and socialism and yet you couldn't explain to me why that is.
TaleOfValors 1 month ago
@TaleOfValors
Here's the million dollar question: What relation did Al-Quaida and the Taliban have to Iraq, prior to our invasion?
The opportunity for others to become rich doesn't require the exploitation of the poor and the working class.
I criticize your understanding of history and socialism because you conflate socialism, fascism, and communism in a historical context that is invalid due to your inability to distinguish them.
Mathenaut 1 month ago
Don't be surprised if the Fed's coming knocking at your door. The Army does not ridicule, especially with their own content. And you didn't have the express consent to reuse, redistribute, modify the video content or message. I'm just saying...
akilla214u2c 3 months ago
@akilla214u2c and i'm just saying, use vpn via another country... <.<
darkdan4ever 3 months ago
@darkdan4ever LOL, those are breech-able too. If big USA want to get you, hiding behind a VPN any court order to release the actual IP's isn't hard to get. Ask the folks from the '05 who pirated all the songs and big US government found them and got them in court. I'm just saying...
akilla214u2c 3 months ago
@akilla214u2c not if they don't keep logs.. ;)
darkdan4ever 3 months ago
@akilla214u2c
That was the pirate bay. And no, they didn't get the actual pirates, so they got the owners of the site that did nothing illegal to 'send a message'. Spectacular failure, just like Iraq.
Mathenaut 1 month ago
Fuck you
sixshooter500 3 months ago
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Yeah, I support the military. Suppose the shoe were on the other foot and we were the ones being invaded and having "democracy" shoved down our throats... You wouldn't fight back?
TheFeralFlicks 3 months ago
@JettaVdubber - we haven't fought a war that was to protect our freedom's in over 70 years, stop being a sheeple.
TheCubicleJockey 3 months ago
If you won't stand in front of the US Army/forces, please feel free to stand in front of us.
100PercentOJ 3 months ago
would be funnier with a super fast voice, like they use on medication advertisements...
Soulfree2008 3 months ago
this is pretty funny....
ChocolateLoverROFL 4 months ago
as if people who join the military dont know this. theyre just not pussies like whoever made this video.
Everybodylovespeace 4 months ago
makes me wanna join the army that video! didnt even hear the boring ass voiceover hahaha!
oldskoollews 4 months ago
I support the military, but they are idiots just like the other 90% of Americans. We are not fighting a war, we're sticking our noses in other's shit. If you have anything to say to this, please tell me about the ratio of Iraq or Libya related news compared to Mexico related news the average person hears daily.
Great video, uploader. Horrible job on the defensive stance, military.
TheFeralFlicks 4 months ago 2
@TheFeralFlicks you support the military? millions of dollars being wasted on weapons while America is turning into a shit hole nation....
TheUndertakerSaysRIP 3 months ago
All these are things the soldiers live with so others can live in a world safe from people who do not like your way of life. If you don't stand behind your troops do feel free to stand in front of them, and get out of the country they protect and sacrifice for.
JettaVdubber 5 months ago
I wasnt drafted, I volunteerd for this, I raised my hand on my own and signed that dotted line, I do it with pride and well aware of the risks its not as easy as you probably think it is to join, it gives you enough time to learn what can really happen, but we still do it, of course there are fucked up things about the military but someone has to do it, I do it for my country, you do your thing for the country and I thank you for it just know we're not ignorant. PFC xxx 79th brigade STB
felio182 5 months ago
Know body made them join. They did it to fight for there country something of pride and honor. So all these anti military need to sit down and shut the fuck up. with them you wouldnt be able to stand up and question them and run them down. we would be attacked and speaking some other lanuage than what we do, with differnt customs. if not for our men and women in the armed forces.
3underdog7 6 months ago
@3underdog7 You my friend have been mislead. Each of us have our own reason for joining. The sad truth is the majority of us joined for the money and when we are on the battlefield or at home with our families the last thing we are thinking about is fighting to protect this country. When you slaughtered countless people just to get to a few armed individuals, your mind searches to justify ur actions as human being but nothing comes to mind and you have to chalk it up as "protecting ur country."
o8mugen8o 6 months ago
@o8mugen8o I see what you are saying. im about 50/50 on what i said about the honor and pride, everybody has their own reasons for joining. but why would you want to chalk it up. Why not just tell the truth? or improve tactics to spare the lives of the innocent?
3underdog7 6 months ago
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o8mugen8o 6 months ago
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@3underdog7 Because it doesn't work that way. U do what ur ordered 'no more, no less'. U never been to combat have u? Sure we could go with the truth, "the innocent had to die to kill like 4-7 bad guys' But now ur questioning ur own morality because no matter how u put it, u still took innocent life. That's like them coming over here for 3 guys and killed 100 innocent people along the way. These people are just like u and me. Its easy to say they deserve it when its not happening to u.
o8mugen8o 6 months ago
@3underdog7 Oh and improving military tactics? Not gunna happen... We are funded by the lowest bidder. Do you think the military would send a missile or any other type of equipment that cost millions of dollars before they would send a soldier or marine that only cost them about a couple thousand? We wish that happened but it doesn't. So our strategies are designed for the highest survival rate of our teams, not for the innocents there. But thats still not an excuse for taking innocent lives...
o8mugen8o 6 months ago
@o8mugen8o well it doesnt cost a couple thosand it costs a million for one soilder to fight for one year
TheGefro 5 months ago
Uncontrollable violence? Sounds like a typical day in Iraq.
EikC 6 months ago
this is so stupid... its movies like this that encourage PTSD and stuff
lvrpatriot01 6 months ago
XD that's a long ass list.
ManSmokingACigarette 7 months ago
I say we just bomb the fuck out of Canada.
ThatGuyThat69s 7 months ago 3
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JOIN the US Army -- only if you you want to become a killing machine & pawn of the rich.
algrenesque 8 months ago
you are the biggest fucking faggot on the face of the earth. I have never made a better decision than to join the military. It made me stronger physically and mentally, and gave my life purpose.
rwamandgir 8 months ago
For one, you would have to be the biggest fucking moron in the world to think joining the Army would bring no stress or risk of death. Stop being pussies and sign up, oh and all the anti military fags, what would you do when theres no one left to die for your bullshit about how America would be better without a military, tell that to north korea fucking morons
ilovemesomechicken 8 months ago
Could you add the final disclaimer, "if you're not a butt-hurt pussy who actually realised what military life was going to entail and signed up to be part of something greater than yourself to serve a nation whose freedom of speech allows people to speak against you, thank you?"
Sack42 11 months ago
Army strong at beating up small 3rd world non-white countries.
777NVN 1 year ago
@777NVN what does race have to do with it?
LordofMofo 1 year ago
@LordofMofo Tell me when was the last time Army Strong beating up a white country since WW2 ? Korea? Vietnam? Grenada? Nicaragua? Somalia? Iraq? Afghanistan? and now Libya? I don't see no white people there do you? Typical bully.
777NVN 10 months ago
@777NVN
Yeah, we should probably invade a white country just to get that balance....honestly? Worst reasoning ever. hahaha. You're a moron. (By the way...Kosovo)
CaptainAmerica322 9 months ago
@777NVN um Cold War? other than that European countries haven't been aggressive towards American interests. Whats all this anti white crap anyway? Africans have been hacking each other to shreds for thousands of years and you don't mention that. Typical libtard
LordofMofo 7 months ago
@777NVN BTW I'm Canadian asshat. Not everyone is and American. Typical myopic yank
LordofMofo 7 months ago
@LordofMofo What does that have to do with Canada you idiot?
777NVN 7 months ago
@LordofMofo It has to do with everything. When was the last time America invade and bombed a white country?
777NVN 7 months ago
awesome.
junior00bacon00chee 1 year ago
A War Resister would be stronger than Army strong.
wiselionman 1 year ago 24
@wiselionman actually no a war survivor
randomikey5678 5 months ago
@wiselionman yeah i'm sure that you're stronger than a soldier. Have you ever been shot at by someone who had every intent to kill you? have you ever died for people you didn't even know? Have you ever spent months away from your family while fighting for what you know in your heart is right? didn't think so. Ignorant Pukes like you make me sick.
shantheman12096 2 months ago
@shantheman12096 Have you ever died for people you don't even know? When your always loyal goyim to ZioNazis fighting their battles for them while they make hundreds of millions a year selling weapons to both sides, your mind is dead and rotten and only an inhumane shell remains. Once you know the war profiteers and propagandists you will no longer fight for them, if you have any heart and balls you will fight to end the Federal Reserve and ZIONAZI rule over the United States. Merry Christmas
wiscokiddd 1 month ago
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Fuck all of u
mw2lancer 1 year ago
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There's fagets then there's flaming hot homosexuals and then there is you u whore I got to 57 seconds and was puking my American guts out ur such a fag screw yourself they give lives everyday so pussies like you can be tree hugging homo vegetarians fuck you ur a fucking pussy go to Iraq for one day see how some eastern faget like urself last over thr u bitch that's a god damn sucker punch to every soldier sailor marine or air man u fag
mw2lancer 1 year ago
@mw2lancer
Even if you didn't tell us you were military, it would be evident from your foul language, crappy spelling and general inability to express a coherent idea. Go USA.
lschonblom 1 year ago 2
@lschonblom
I'm capable of expressing coherent ideas, capable of spelling, and I am capable of NOT using "foul language" (because only soldiers have that right?) And by the way, It's extremely apparent he's not in the military...for the reasons you expressed...not the other way around. Not to mention his username. I would have expected someone elevated, intelligent, and prestigious as you to pick up on a detail like that. "mw2lancer" really?
CaptainAmerica322 9 months ago
@mw2lancer I'm a veteran, and I think this video is spot-on. So stop speaking for me, ok? This (former) airman thinks ur the fag for spouting off like this.
rsimpson69 1 year ago 3
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@mw2lancer I'm a veteran, and I think this video is spot-on. So stop speaking for me, ok? This (former) airman thinks ur the f** for spouting off like this.
rsimpson69 1 year ago
You should make a video about how ARMY has become a brand name from clothing to video games.
defiythelie 1 year ago 2
Strong= great physical, emotion, mental strength.
Army strong= armor plating, cold hearted, and mental distress.
blackyblackblack505 1 year ago
You can tell this isn't a real Army ad because of the honesty.
Metzae 1 year ago 29
There is no doubt that defending your country is honorable. But blindly doing it because another told you to caries no honor at all. At this time the American government is not working for the good of all of it's people. This lends to doubt and a form of internal rot that brings down the mightiest of nations. Solders should be proud to fight for their nation, but can they be when their orders come from questionable people?
ScottMana 1 year ago 2
I feel every man and woman who voluteers for the army should be automatically given a house that can not be ceased, a car, tax breaks for life, free education for their children, free and quality medical care....and some more perks. They also should be able to slap a draft dodging or none-serving war hawk politician if they desire, without any repercussions.
allianceFiLifeDotCom 1 year ago
@allianceFiLifeDotCom
A free house, no taxes, free Kid's college etc? Are you promoting welfare? Are you promoting veterans be held above other hard working Americans, in another class above them?
So, when those in power send our boys and girls off to fight and die, the soldiers should never question orders, acting like obedient police dogs, working as terrorists for the powerful, all for free Healthcare and a home which we should be entitled to?
There's no honor in blind obedience
Demand truth
AnotherWayFilms 1 year ago
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As an Army Vet it makes me sick to see what is happening to our country and our citizens today. Not that this isn't just part of the the continuing saga of of what Marine Gen. Smedley Butler knew: "War is a Racket".
Bring back the draft with no deferments. Your number comes up you go!
When the working class and poor are no longer offered up as cannon fodder for the wealthy then we will see governments reconsider engaging in wars.
Check out Veterans for Peace, it is a great organization.
peacemuseum 1 year ago
As an Army Vet it makes me sick to see what is happening to our country and our citizens today. Not that this isn't just part of the the continuing saga of of what Marine Gen. Smedley Butler knew: "War is a Racket".
Bring back the draft with no deferments. Your number comes up you go!
When the working class and poor are no longer offered up as cannon fodder for the wealthy then we will see governments reconsider engaging in wars.
Check out Veterans for Peace, it is a great organization.
peacemuseum 1 year ago
@peacemuseum
The Draft is helpful in dissuading our handlers from starting wars of aggression and Empire.
However, as in the GW Bush case, his Senator/ CIA Daddy bought him a cozy slot in the Arkansas Natl Air Guard, where he never had to show up and got credit as a war-hero/ Veteran.
Politicians kids should be made to serve first, before any others and only in the infantry, where it hurts worst to lose.
Peace in!
AnotherWayFilms 1 year ago
Die, Morons Die, for a Multicorporate Cause.
Be a man, Boy.
killgreed 1 year ago
....... Very true warnings.
a7green 1 year ago
@umhalil You just point people to videos in an intelligent way. You say to view those about the Constitution and none of the videos you have listed have titles saying anything about this topic. I saw one or two titles that seem like the videos might refer to the Constitution, but the titles of these videos also lack any mention of "Constitution" and I'm not going to take time to view all of your f*cking videos. You communicate like a stuck-up conceited brat and, therefore, idiot.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@umhalil Before I don't get something, it's you who doesn't. There is a Constitution, it's provable, and it's not idiots like you who can prove that something that's provable is not provable! Even Pres. GW Bush recognized the existence of the Constitution when he mocked it as "just a piece of paper", instead of saying it doesn't exist. You're not done with me, for you never started or were anything with me. You're an egotistical, conceited brat unworthy of respect, as you treat others, moron
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@umhalil Continuing about your channel's videos on the US Constitution, which ones? And by who? You have a video for which the title says that the 1995 OKC bombing was an Israeli job, but it wasn't. It was an inside job and there's STRONG proof of this; not to be found in corporate news media, but definitely available online. Plenty of witnesses and also official efforts obstructed by the federal and Okla. state govts, and accounts from govt agents and employees at the building. Et cetera.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@umhalil Visting your channel for the truth about the US Constitution? I understand one fundamental reality about it and it's that it could never be legally done today. It was imperialism, colonialism, genocide, and so on. However, that's history that can't be undone. The govt, however, must abide by what the Constitution says and which is to abide by treaties, which really are laws; national and international treaties, all treaties the govt enters into.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@umhalil Continuing from my last reply to you, BUT too many military personnel are not vigilant and defenders of the Constitution. They are either of the corruptors, or choose to stay silent in order to maintain their salaries, promotional opportunities, et cetera. Too many do the opposite of defending the Constitution. Too many wittingly, and silently, secretly aid and abet the corruptors, while many others unwittingly do this. These, the former anyway, are NOT Constitutional military people!
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@umhalil No soldier or other military personnel should become "order taking robots" and the U.S. Constitution makes this sufficiently clear, even if it isn't stated explicitly. The Constitution makes it clear that it's essential for citizens to maintain vigilance, [including] against corruption of the govt and, therefore, against domestic corruptors. This vigilance requires developing and then maintaining [critical] minds for critical awareness and action(s). Soldiers need to live up to this.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
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SpudXXXX 1 year ago
Murdering for a pay check is not a real job. Go back on the frigin dole its best for everyone
morpheous7 1 year ago
@umhalil "military minded" can mean different things. If we consider it in a Constitutional sense, then we can understand "military minded" as simply or only meaning being prepared to serve in defense of the country and Constitution when and if needed, while living an ordinary, non-military life the rest of the time. But we unfortunately have anti-Constitutional senior officers, rogues, corruption, traitors (Constitutionally), et cetera. And think there's too much bureaucracy.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@umhalil It's probably or surely not good to make a career out of being in the military. Its bureaucracy and culture surely can't stay uncorrupted for long. As many people say, "Power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely". I am not against serving in defense when and if truly attacked, but it'd surely be better if this was done only on an as needed basis; returning to civilian life the rest of the time. Not all officers are guilty for crimes, but nearly all are SILENT ....
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@umhalil Or maybe you were military minded, in a or the Constitutional sense, while the military chiefs aren't. (?) I enlisted in the USN and left because a panel of hypocritical senior officers gave me two options, to leave or stay and follow orders, and they evidently weren't expecting me to opt for leaving; but I saw through their bs and won't follow orders from people who're clearly hypocrites. If they're hypocrites, then there's more to their criminality! They're un-Constitutional, not me.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@umhalil You were never fooled. Good. Not everyone was. Millions weren't, but the majority in the U.S. were; a high majority. But over 20% weren't. I did not send you this video, but you're welcome to comment. And it's true that the war was not officially declared, but the Congress has more-or-less done so by giving its constant "blessings" to or for the war; the ROGUE Congress. And it's great that you're retired from the USAF and against the bs war and war of terrorism; clearly of, not on.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
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mikecorbeil 1 year ago
The ad should mention the classic military motto, "Never Volunteer"!
apparition2 1 year ago
Good video, mostly good comments. Military = Toxic make-work.
What a waste. Cut the pentagon budget in half, for starters. Of course it will never happen. The MIC parasite will inevitably drag us all down.
corazon526 1 year ago
Having working as an overnight volunteer at a homeless shelter for 4 years, another side effect is persistent homelessness: our most reliable population was Vietnam Vets.
The brutalization of war affects all -- down through the generations
And accomplishes... nothing but to serve as the cause for future retaliatory war
Give peace the same chance we have given war: at least 2,000 years
Then we can have tribunals and listen to the testimonies of all victims of peace
May peace be with u all
naomipaz 1 year ago
dfont forget the gulf war disease and the beyond treason documentary stuff, they poison you then deny you an illness, also they will expose you and test on you
ashtweth 1 year ago
Join the Army, become pawns for rich men. Suckas
danmanjones 1 year ago
I was in the military what a waste of tax money just like there's a welfare state there's a warfare state both are a blizzard of lies propaganda.
If you joined since 03 you need to get your head straight
lushfauna 1 year ago
Join the army, be an indentured slave for 4 years (or more if we don't let you leave) just sign on the line.
Monkor001 1 year ago
The only thing missing from the truth in this video is how 30% of female US soldiers are raped by their commanders.
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago 2
They say, "There is nothing stronger than the US Army" but any idiot knows, the gasoline engine is stronger than a bicycle. Any idiot also knows, you can shut down the engine by pulling a wire off the distributor, or pulling the gas line. The essential question is how you use the engine. For example: a power saw is stronger than a hand saw. But don't get your fingers in front of the blade. He who controls the saw is what matters (Will it be the Neocons? the Dick Cheneys?) Don't join.
ToddBoyle 1 year ago
Also it was reported that WW2 vets suffered less from PTSD than Iraq/istan vets because boot camp today does crash courses in dehumanization.
madebutante 1 year ago
Another Awesome Vid! Sharon T in da OC
madebutante 1 year ago
@mikecorbell You notice that I wrote "Perhaps." I've heard analyses that WWII was also unnecessary. I don't subscribe to that.
I knew men who fought in Spain AND in WWII. One of them lost two brothers in Spain. When he came home, he spent most of his time sleeping on the couch. We knew little about PTSD, but he clearly suffered from that.
How many Iraq vets are committing suicide today? These soldiers are in pain--psychological and physical. This video is pretty accurate.
lromfried 1 year ago
Short, but very good video. It's definitely fitting and quite excellent sarcasm.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago 2
@mikecorbeil I'm sure the troops appreciate it! And I can't imagine why they overwhelmingly vote republican. Sicko.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy Try to make sense. What are you so sure about the troops appreciating? And what makes you think that "they overwhelmingly vote republican"? If looking for sickness, then see a doctor.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
I get agitated when I have to watch a long ad for the National Guard at a movie theater because I know they are sucking kids into the National Guard. When I was in the army reserves, we would never be sent into combat. Not true today. Why do we have our military in 175 countries? Is it for our freedom or is it to prop up all our corporations around the world? Perhaps the former was true through WWII, but remember Eisenhower's warning in the early '50s about the "military-industrial complex."
lromfried 1 year ago
@lromfried Quote: "Why do we have our military in 175 countries? Is it for our freedom or is it to prop up all our corporations around the world? Perhaps the former was true through WWII, but remember Eisenhower's warning in the early '50s about the "military-industrial complex."" The former was never true, albeit WW II is argued to be an exception. And besides remembering Pres. Eisenhower's warning, REMEMBER Smedley Butler and that US wars are a RACKET.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@lromfried Thank god a traitor like you is OUT of the military. We don't need anti military folks like you.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
TRUTH!
DeSwiss 1 year ago
I wonder if this person was scared, or even nervous, as he made this video? No? Could it be that this video simply proves that the Army, (and other branches of the military that he obviously loathes so much,) are succeeding in their job of protecting the freedom's he takes for granted, but with is denied in most countries in the world?
Dave (USMC Vet, combat wounded and paralyzed from the armpits down, and yes, it was worth it!)
CoquiDave 1 year ago
Utterly disgusting. Thank god there are people willing to fight for this country and reject the effeminate anti military nonsense. You should be ashamed.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy NONSENSE. You speak of the [reverse] of reality, and thank God that many people know this.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil "I speak of the reverse of reality"...so there aren't people willing to fight for this country? Is English a second language for you?
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy There may be people willing to fight for the US, but: 1) many US troops in Iraq are very ptsd'd and do [not] really know what they're doing; 2) many or most troops in Iraq have realized like earlier US troops who served in Iraq and who've since become against both wars, they learned that the war on Iraq, f.e., was based on LIES, which is an act that only a criminal US presidency and criminal US military command would and could commit; 3) first oath, DEFEND against domestic enemies TOO.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Oh I see. You have a condescending/parental attitude towards the troops. They're good kids, but they're too dumb to understand what they're doing or the impact it has on their lives. What makes you think you are correct about that? Let's drop the 'war based on lies' nonsense as well. It wasn't credible then and it isn't now. Everyone thought he had wmds, even the dems. You lose all credibility when you paint presidents as war criminals - regardless of party.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy I don't have a condescending or parental view of the troops. I have a critical and [alert] view of reality. I did and do not say that they're "good kids". There are many ass*oles in the west, and the govt, the body politic mostly consists of major ass*oles. And the "war based on lies" is by no measure nonsense, and, absolutely not everyone believe the bs coming out of the White House. Get an education. Try learning from John Stockwell, Ralph McGehee, and other former CIA, f.e.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@MrGrevy Other people to refer to are documentary makers like John Pilger. Others to learn from include John Perkins. There are US war veterans; VAW, IVAW, and others to LEARN from. There's former USMC Major General Smedley Butler. But sound common sense keeps us alert and critically questioning, especially on important issues. I don't know what age you are, but I was further ahead at age 15 for crying out loud! Get an education, a real one.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Oh so you're a tv educated jackass. Makes sense. Please provide some evidence from primary sources to back up your paranoid nonsense claims. Talk about uneducated god I almost feel bad for you. Go protest an NWO meeting and get arrested you goofy twit.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy What paranoid nonsense claims? Do you mean about the present wars being based on LIES from domestic enemies, traitors in high offices of US govt? If you don't perceive the liars, then you best stand in front of a mirror before calling other people jack asses. Only IDIOTS still don't perceive the LIES and the extremely high treason the "leadership" has been been committing for ... hell, a lot longer than a decade, now. And the official story on 9/11 is BOGUS!
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Except that there are many people in the IVAW to include those in leadership positions that have never deployed to a combat zone. Yet they are refereed to like they have been. Even if they did deploy they stayed on the bases and never left to do missions.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Name them. IVAW means Iraq War [Veterans] Against the War. Some might be veterans of the US war on Iraq in 1991 and not from the present, 2003 and ongoing US-led war there. IVAW's members also provided three or four days, March 13th to 16th, 2008, testimonies during Winter Soldier, over 200 U.S. military veterans and active duty soldiers according to Wikipedia's page, "Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan". NEVERTHELESS, they are [all] right to oppose these wars today!
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Lets see. Matthas who is on the Board of Directors has never been to Iraq and he spent all of 6 days in Afghanistan on a well protected base that he never left.
Carl Webb that has never been to ether place but tried to get a real vet Porterto damage vehicles while in Iraq.
Geof “Stolen Valor” Millard who claims to have been in Iraq has no proof that he accutly went there also is sporting a CIB that he could not have earned as a millitary policeman.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Wow, 3 people out of thousands of IVAW members. You're quite a scorer.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Before I continue further it should be noted that I am not trying to debate if the Iraq war, rather is when the IVAW claims that their membership if is largely comprised of Iraq vet that have seen what was going on first hand and that they are a veterans group that is really interested in helping these Veterans.
But in reality it is being lead more and more by people who have never been Iraq or stayed on the base. Also to use any real vets as prompts by the groups like the ISO.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Check your messages, just sent you a message with links on each of the different people. Look forward to your reply.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater If the IVAW is basing itself on or in fraud, then this is definitely unacceptable and should be made widely known, but each allegation of fraud needs to be carefully proven and, so far, you haven't provided sufficient proof. F.e., Tim Goodrich said he served in the 2002 bombings on Iraq to take out Iraqi defenses and no one has proven that he's been lying about this. And this is not incredible. The US conducts many covert, black ops, past and present.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Which is the point and each case is what has been reported by people who have left IVAW because of the fact that it is becoming more and more about who supports the ISO. The International Socialist Organization. But if anyone pulled the stunts that they did in the past they would have been shot. But that is one thing about remote aircraft unless he flew personally into Iraq airspace it does not count. Also the war started in 2003.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater I never read that Tim Goodrich was talking about remotely controlled aircraft, and I don't know if it was him, but I read several years ago about some USAF bomber crew member speaking about the 2002 bombings. He said that he was among the crew during the flights.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater I know nothing about ISO, but there also isn't much difference between socialism and capitalism when considering the top "elites". They aren't really enemies. Cronies controlling socialism and capitalism is always bad. The ISO might possibly be another George Soros invention. He pretends to be of the left, et cetera, but he's still a wicked imperialist. He's a real con and has a lot of fans on the so-called left. He supported war on Kosovo for imperialism, his sort of capitalism
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Completing what my last reply to you said re. Tim Goodrich and it not being incredible that the U.S. conducted bombings on Iraqi defenses in 2002, this is meant conceptually. One question that came to mind when reading about what he said when it first was reported is why Saddam Hussein didn't say anything publicly about these bombings, for he surely would've known about these actions. US news media not reporting is one thing. Iraqi silence is another.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil But our method of air strikes until recently was with manned aircraft over remote. We were only using remote aircraft as small observation planes. Plus the people that fly the Predators are flying them from the safety of a US base on the main land. So it would seem that they would not need to have a base nearby unless the aircraft was manned. The F117 would have been a likely plane type used.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater What the hell does remote vs manned aircraft have to do with the discussion? I never mentioned about this.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Rick Duncan a convulsive liar that posed as a Gay Marine Captain with multi-tours. Turned out to be a escape mental patient. But that did not stop IVAW from using him.
Jessie Macbeth The person who washed out of basic but Ivaw had no problems letting him make a video about being a Army Ranger and committing many war crimes under the IVAW Banner.
James Morriss Did not finish basic but made claims that his CO told him to kill a random person, but he has never deployed. but in IVAW.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater There's no "James Morriss" listed or mentioned at IVAW, except in a Winter Soldier pdf file, and WS was over two years ago! There's only one mention of a "Jesse MacBeth" (not Jessie) and it's in an ivaw.org page for a statement by Joshua Farris, who clearly says that MacBeth is a "criminal fraud" that IVAW had unfortunately been suckered by, but which IVAW corrected after learning he was a "criminal fraud". Also see, "Rick Duncan and Fake Vets" of May 21st, 2009, at ivaw.org.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil I am going to message you because the word limit will cause a problem when trying to talk about in detail.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater It's unfortunate, for maybe other Youtubers reading in this page of back-and-forth ... would be interested in the rest of this exchange, but go ahead and send the information using messages.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil I can send anyone who is interested in the claims against (I)VAW.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
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@Sporkmater You "can send anyone who is interested in the claims against (I)VAW"? You can send them where or what, when, how, which way, ...? What is this, Oz?
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater The May 21st, 2009, article at IVAW I already gave the title for begins by saying that Rick Duncan "was recently exposed as a fraud by members of an organization he helped found, the Colorado Veterans Alliance" and that while there was a profile of him at IVAW.org, he was never a member of IVAW. But CVA gave him the boot and, so, he's given the boot by all real anti-war veterans in the U.S. Try to do some RESEARCH instead of spreading lies!
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Jacob Flom another non-Iraq Vet. But is the President of the IVAW Chapter in Milwaukee.
Tim Goodrich Only got to Turkey and never went into Iraq in military service.
Victor Agosto Did go to Iraq and sits on the Board, but by his own words he never left the FOB.
Andre Shepard Another vet who never left the FOB in 6 months and has made claims that I can personally say are not true. We went AWOL and is seeking asylum in Germany as of late 2008.
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Jacob Flom is said to be President of IVAW in some pages, but maybe this is past tense and someone else is the President today. He's not listed as a member, but there is no natural law of the cosmos that requires that an anti-war military veterans' organization have only war veterans as presidents, vp's, and directors. And if he's a Vietnam or Gulf War I war veteran, then he's a war veteran and you'd be full of whining bs.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Tim Goodrich is an Iraq War veteran, for he served for the purpose of this war. He was in the USAF and not everyone in the USAF who contributed to this war set foot in Iraq, but all of those who did are Iraq War veterans. The article, "Iraq War Veterans' Presence in DC Unreported" at Truthout.org Sept. 26th, 2005, says that he was "an electronics technician on E-3 AWACS surveillance aircraft" so it's very possible he didn't step foot in Iraq, but he's clearly an Iraq War veteran.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater I don't know where you got your information about Victor Agosto, but he's an Iraq War veteran and IVAW.org's Board of Directors page says he "enlisted in the Army in August 2005" and was "deployed to Iraq in October 2006 as 25F (Network Switching Systems Operator/Maintainer) and returned in November 2007". Given his job, it's likely that he mostly stayed on base in Iraq, but this does not make him a non-veteran of the Iraq War! Your argument against him is bs!
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Re. Andre Shepard. It seems that I have to do all of your homework for you, but I'll do it so that other people who read this page can get the correct information. IVAW.org has one or two pages mentioning him and one is an article about him having gone awol and seeking asylum in Germany. I tried a general Web search and didn't find any negatives in the first Google page of results. You'll have to describe what you claim that he lied about.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Also know that in order to be a member of the IVAW according to the website is to be active military after 9/11 not before. Not during the Gulf War or anything that followed in the 90s.
Also the Winter Solider really did not have anything ground breaking. I mean one guy cried about almost having to shoot someone. Another person Koksh, ADdam talked about war trophies when he tried to smuggle in a Iraqi handgun.
Except out of those number which are really active?
Sporkmater 1 year ago
@Sporkmater There are many IVAW members who were, at one time, on active duty. Just because they ceased being on active duty doesn't mean that they did not actively serve in one military role or another in Iraq or in direct relation to the war on Iraq. Did General Tommy Franks join the ground forces in Iraq, or was his role only to command the opening attacks, bombings from a US Naval ship? I never read about him having been in Iraq for this war, but he definitely "served" in it.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Also, I would not get picky about whether IVAW members are veterans of the present war on Iraq or the one of 1991. I would not even care if they had members who are veterans of the war on Afghanistan and never served in the war on Iraq, and my not caring about this is not only due the fact that both of these wars are for the same RACKET purpose, and both are based on the false flag attacks of 9/11 used as a pretext for both of these wars of aggression. Et cetera.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater But I was ahead of all of these US military veterans, some of whom became anti-war, while others only became opposed to the present wars on Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush et al [never] fooled me for an instant! I was a little fooled at first about the claim that Osama bin Laden was supposedly responsible, mastermind for the 9/11 attacks, but was never fooled into believing either war could be justifiable. They weren't, from the get-go, and this was really obvious!
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@Sporkmater Sporkmater, you're either an idiot, or a liar. Not many US soldiers stayed on bases during their whole time in Iraq and Afghanistan during the present wars there. Some military personnel did, because they're the office kind of personnel, or the work they do simply is base work and not doing tours, f.e. Your reply is moronic, and that's if you're not blatantly lying, fabricating half-truths, et cetera.
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mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@MrGrevy True defenders defend not only against foreign enemies, but also DOMESTIC ones; and the US really doesn't have foreign ones, though Israel is arguably, provably an exception. The true defenders of the country and Constitution, as well as our Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence have been and continue to be the DISSIDENTS. To dissent against criminals usurping The People's govt, etc., is the patriotic way. To server the usurpers is to serve the domestic enemies.
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@mikecorbeil, 100% correct, foreign or domestic! don't forget they also get to come home and join the police force and rough people up and have door to door training!
ar5281ar 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil here we go...let me guess....one of those "damn zionists" guys?
zackgonnasurvivenwo 1 year ago
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@zackgonnasurvivenwo Quote: "here we go...let me guess....one of those "damn zionists" guys?" What the hell are you talking about? I said nothing pro-zionist whatsoever. And if you can't be sepcific in or with your stupid remarks, then consider not posting. Otherwise your stupidity becomes obvious.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Well said, Mike! Thomas Jefferson would have liked you.
KaptKan1 1 year ago
@KaptKan1 Well, if we want to have a conscience, after developing one, at which point we better appreciate it and appreciating means protecting, then we better make sure that we do [not] blindly believe people most people call the leaders, for the latter have been repeatedly proving that they're leaders of nothing; besides deception, lies, that is. We have to be critical. If people had been in 2008, then none of Obama, Clinton or McCain would've won election. 3rd-parties would've strong support
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@mikecorbeil Support Dr Ron Paul for president in 2012!
KaptKan1 1 year ago
@KaptKan1 Ron Paul is a potential candidate, but I'd got for Ralph Nader.
mikecorbeil 1 year ago
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mikecorbeil 1 year ago
@MrGrevy Few, if any, US troops realized what they were really accepting to fight for. Like the population in the U.S., most were FOOLED by the criminals who usurped, hijacked, corrupted, ... the govt, and destroyed the Republic more .... But a real defender of the country and its laws is a person who always maintains criticial awareness and is, therefore, always alert against being fooled by traitors in high govt offices. Most people were irresponsible. A real defender must be [responsible].
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