Expert Insight Poker Tip: The Value of Suited Cards

[reacharlie]

Oh yeah? Chuck Norris holds Suited Pocket Aces every time

[TheRealityattack]

what you want from a suited card is to see a cheap flop hoping to get a big reward, this hand has a huge potential but it's nothing in value at pre-flop so if it's in the tournament format, and the blind is high plus u have low to average stack, q 7 suited under the gun is insta fold, should have fold it less than 2 seconds!

[Raghy07]

The biggest pots can be won with suited connectors.

[plstrom]

maybe you can pay 7% more than you would just to see the flop... but after that is over...(or it's on)... lol

[artysmokes]

It's amazing how newbies think suited cards are so damn special. They only become valuable AFTER the flop (if you have a four-flush, for example). Before the flop, things like K2s are an insta-fold in most situations, but so many people overplay hands like that. Something like Q6 suited is about as good as Q7 offsuit, and J5 suited is about equal to J6 off suit. In other words, useless. It's only AX suited cards (e.g. A5 clubs) that are worth limping in with, because of nut flush possibilities.

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[harrisa2006]

4% is just enough for me

[teague67]

suitedness is not about winning more pots, it's about winning bigger pots.

[Naruto00122]

there is no way i play 87 off, but i always play 87 suited (if nobody have raised)... suited connectors are always profitable when they hit....

[jaybe05]

yeah youre right this is a big mistake a loser moron..

[bloty02]

but if theres two suiter on the flop, you have same suit A K OR Q, sure it's best to gamble a bit, you still have two chance's

[biotechno100]

wish all beginners seen this.. then they wouldnt call rasies etc and suck out with Q3s, i know so many people who play suited cards, ull win one big pot every game you play i bet, but ul never win anything in the long run, can only suck out so many times before you gt busted

[jokericon00]

Even though what he is saying is true. However, I have seen suited cards win really big pots.

[qqleq2]

@jokericon00 Simple. The pay-out is bigger. The value of suited connectors is not their odds, but the amount of money you can win with them IF you win. They're genereally harder for the other players to guess and to fold to. So there is more value to it than just odds.

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[DeceitfulFrank]

Actually i think 78s has about 21% more chance of winning against KK than 78!

This video is very misleading. I limp in in late position with 67s but wouldnt dream of playing 67!

[hoganmac]

pokerstars is rigged

[QSN2006]

Isn't 4% better than nothing?

[Rdysn5]

i find that AKs and AQs are much better than their unsuited counterparts

[rus2y]

I liked it...

and I'm only playing against a computer!

[NightSkyDarkness]

the point is you play suited hands AFTER the flop.u search a flush draw...

[phoenix666211]

i think thats wrong...

you must play in the right moments "bad" cards like 56.

AND YOU DONT WANNA GET A LOOSE IMAGE.

you want the suprise effect of your side.

so you dont play every 56, only the suits.

and the 4 percent...

when you play 100 pots, you win 4 pots more!

this is not much, but it can be the different between a winner and a loser =)

[tboneku11]

certified donkey= phoenix

[vladkpone]

very informative tip thx..I think I'll buy the DVD

[gnikpac]

at a big table and big hand (4+ people) when youre playing with suited cards, your odds are increased close to 4 percent still, which is a big deal when it comes to pot odds. playing low suited connectors all-in, preflop, in a low-medium LIMIT table when you think everyone else has high pockets or AK offsuit, can win you some big hands (makes more sense if youve already called a raise so youre already pot commited). between AK, QQ, JJ, 10 10, and 67 suited, 67 has 20% still.

[Donderdrakie]

BUT BUT... my 23 was SOOOOOTED! HOW COULD I LOSE AGAINST AA!

[artrca1000]

Finally this guy gets it exactly right. I see so many people overplay suited cards. "But they were SUITED!"

[hendrik04]

thats the sentence you can see that the player is a donk :-D

[chris13104]

dont listen to this video or phil gordon.

both are horrible.

[rigz134]

and who are u again

[DiepTan]

if you over react, get mad n start yelling bcuz u got bad beat by a donk then u shouldnt even play poker, bcuz u will b meeting alot of those donkey around... so if u cannot accept ur lost go cry to ur mom.. poker is sure skills game but luck does involved once awhile like when u get dominated n still win, dats luck... so the guy dat wanted to shoot other ppl family bcuz he got bad beat by a donk, he should go shoot himself or his family.... =/ i bet he's terrible at poker n life.

[danbrownftw]

wow i dont know 0o

[theogmoneyman]

i hate when some prick calls my preflop raise with their J5 or K2 suited. if they donk me i wanna shoot their family. especially if im holding a massive hand

[voznow7]

Full house. jackass.

[djax4mvp]

everyone knows that the flush is the second best hand in poker besides the straight flush. then straight comes right after that. full house? are you retarded??? flush beats that any day you stupid donk! what's your account on pokerstars let me take all your money! fucking donks suddenly think they're pros on youtube pathedic!

[skideg]

lol

[djax4mvp]

lmao, all these people on here are such idiots huh?

[Eyewash03]

You have confused me a little. Are you saying that a flush beats a fullhouse?

[djax4mvp]

no shit

[jblespaul]

lol

[IIhollyw00dII]

this tip is so fucking stupid, such an amature tip i dont no why they record this, that 4 percent is basically equal to taking a two outta on the river....ANYONE ELSE TAKIN A TWO OUTTER ON THE RIVER. lol no the difference between suited and unsuited can be explain by saying.....its like taking a two outter and NEVER taking a two outer...huge fucking difference

[hugeboofhead]

What is missing here. When there are more players in the pot the odds of winning with suited cards are dramatically increased. And the implied odds are increased as well.

[CarlLewenski]

Decreased. If you have suited cards and there are more players in the hand, the likelyhood that other players have at least one card of your suit increases, leaving less cards in the deck for you to make your flush.

[djax4mvp]

ahha idiot!

[flarusli]

u r funny

[CarlLewenski]

If I am wrong, then explain to me why.

[dubconor]

because when your counting outs you count the unseen cards, so if you have 7h6h and the flop comes Ah 2h 3c you have seen 5 cards from 52, 4 of which where hearts, so that means theres 9 cards left from 47 that might give you the winning hand.. so if you want your odds divide 9 into 47... and if you want your precentages use the 4 / 2 rule.. 9 * 4 - 1 = 35% .... 9 * 2 - 1 = 17% use 4 for turn and river, use 2 for river... hope this helps ya out a bit

[CarlLewenski]

Yes, these formulas are pretty logical for determining approximate odds.

Thanks for the insight.

[freedomcostsabuckO5]

Almost every comment I can see is laughably retarded. Have fun losing all your money, donks.

[bohs1984]

This is right. How many times do you see these donks at the table who call big raises out of position with 8-5s or 10-8s. They hit their flush only to be killed by A-10s or A-Ks. Connected cards are way better than suited cards. First, your chances of getting a flush are slim. If you flop it then a high suit might beat you by the river and if you only flop a draw you will go bust trying to catch it. Only donks play suited hands they otherwise wouldnt call with in the hopes that 3% will matter.

[GravityPhone]

wtf I thought phil was good at poker but this is just plain wrong for obvious reasons.

[freedomcostsabuckO5]

Suitedness only matters AFTER you see the flop. Of course if you have a strong hand preflop anyway, it's a bonus if your cards are suited.

[MVX12]

i actually dont agree with this tip. having suited cards gives you a higher possibility of hitting a flush.

[burnedbook]

You forget that the other player has 2 cards as well.

[charron87]

I think what is important with the suited is the flush potential...

Of course its only 4% more but...

When u wanna play and hand u must play them suited (only to play less hand) and u have a str8 and flush possibility wich could be rlly hidden and bring alot of money!... Read Small ball by daniel...

[johnhurra]

No guys, playing suited cards is always a great idea. 4 percent is a huge difference. Phil just wants you all playing horribly.

[zorloth]

Suited cards are way better, chances of a flush come on 3 more cards in the flop ding dong flush bet very high :D

[sasuke1356]

basically suited cards are barely better tan their unsuited counterparts.

[sasuke1356]

lol at whoever said 20% inrease. suited increases basically 3 or 4 percent

[hawkfish88]

Alot of shit players see there suited hand, 2 7 for example, and figure they can get a flush and win a pot but forget that the odds of getting a flush are very small. so get that into ur thick skulls you fucking idiots!!!!!!!!!!

[freewill1978]

Not to mention the times they make their flush and get beat by a better flush.

[Davzanetti]

Gordon's point is valid but way overstated: in the first example he says that the difference between the 19% win unsuited and the 23% win suited is 4%: that's wrong, it's a 4/19 or about a 20% increase in value.

[abce246]

Youre an idiot, go run the odds in an odds calculator you stupid idiot. Oh yea its Phil

Gordon, I have a feeling he knows a lot more than you when it comes to poker. Lol a 20% increase? My god where did you get those ridiculous numbers. I really wish I could call you an idiot to your face.

[Davzanetti]

I thought I had posted a reply but I can't see any, so here goes again: PG says that an increase from 19% to 23% is a 4% difference in value. No it's not, it's about a 20% increase, because 4/19 is about 20%. Looked at another way, about 17% (4/23) of the value of 78s is in the flushes. I agree with uncoolnegated (below) in that I agree with PG's point, but he should make it without being tricky.

[frankiedetorie]

this is wrong but suited cards have higher implied odds so any suited aces is suprisingly proftable

[johnhurra]

true

PLAY THESE

[frankiedetorie]

also say your hand when it is unsuited will win 40% however if it is suited it is 44%

this a 10$ increase

[UncoolNegated]

just a technicality, in the first example, the kings do not contain one of the out cards for the opponent's flush, in the second example the king does hold one of the out cards for the opponent's flush; this does skew things a little bit (~1%) and it makes the parallels faulty......the point can be made without being a bit tricky, so just make it

[melonheadyt]

Unless you've had some unusual variance in your play, it will be an eye opener, and I think you'll agree with the 3%-4% figure.

[melonheadyt]

I hate to educate the customers, but I can't stand it any longer.

Some of you guys can't see the forest for the trees, and it looks like most of you are limiting yourselves to thinking about playing one session. Instead, do this:

1) Pick a period of time, say 3, 6 or 12 months, depending on how often you play.

2) Keep track of how much you spend on flush drawing hands.

3) At the end of the time period you've chosen, add up how much you've won, how much you've lost, and compare the two.

[scribble127]

The chance of making a flush may be low, but there is a huge playing difference between 87 off suit and 87 suited. Think of all the times you will flop middle or bottom pair and face a bet. It can be very difficult to call with 87 off suit, because you are really only drawing to 5 cards. However, with suited cards, you will often have a backdoor flush draw which will keep you until the river if a 4-flush hits the turn. Backdoor draws are likelier to get paid off too, adding yet more value.

[nickelelei]

He's talking pre-flop. The value of suitedness increases with the stack size (and if your opponent is aggresive or a calling machine), in deep-stack it can make a difference in your decision pre-flop. But remember Phil is a tounament player not cash-game player. Very rarely there are deep stacks in tournaments with the big blinds going up constantly.

[scribble127]

The chance of making a flush may be low, but there is a huge playing difference between 87 off suit and 87 suited. Think of all the times you will flop middle or bottom pair and face a bet. It can be very difficult to call with 87 off suit, because you are really only drawing to 5 cards. However, with suited cards, you will often have a backdoor flush draw which will keep you until the river if a 4-flush hits the turn. Backdoor draws are likelier to get paid off too, adding yet more value.

[efh0888]

No offense but trying to justify playing suited cards w/ the possibility of making backdoor flushes is kinda retarded.

[scuzks]

then why does Doyle Brunson say his favorite starting hands are low suited connectors and not just connectors?

[Psychosoldier187]

some people like em some people hate em

[scuzks]

also, brunson says to play suited aces like small pocket pairs. PG says "if you wouldn't play it unsuited, you probably shouldn't play it suited either." he is completely wrong. he is ignoring implied odds.

[Psychosoldier187]

you cant get suited ACes douche.

[scuzks]

wow, are you really that dumb? you can't get suited aces? ace of hearts/2 of hearts = a suited ace.  to talk about these hands in the plural form is to say "suited aces".

[Psychosoldier187]

wait there are 4 aces aint there? each one is a different suit isnt that what ya ment?

[scuzks]

no. i mean an ace with any other card of the same suit.

[efh0888]

Like the guy above said, he plays more tourneys - implied odds is usually more of a cash game thing since your stacks are so deep. In tourneys you won't normally have more than 20-25 the BB so it can be very costly to call raises w/ suited connectors and suited aces even if you do have position. If you're on the button or cutoff though, suited connectors have way more value than suited aces b/c the aces likely dominated.

[kosai19]

This is the best tip I've seen. All too often amateur players online will greatly value suits and play it strongly pre-flop.

[pokerace87]

this is why phil gordon sucks at poker ...the strenght of suited hands only comes after the flop and ur very likely to get the odds to call pre-flop like 87 vs kk its just a 3-1 favorite uve got to think about the implied odds 2 ive seen so many donkey going broke with kk

[JonathonGittus]

That's bullshit. If you have suited pocket cards, the chance of hitting your flush on the flop is 118 to 1. If you stick around to see the turn and/or river, you're likely to be taken on a ride by the person holding an over pair.

[pokerace87]

dude im talking about suited connectors every player knows u dont play 7-2 or some garbage just because its suited but the best hand against a pocket pair its a suited connector for example the best hand against AA is 87 suited u can make a lot of str8s and the flush now if u see a flop like 6 5 k with 2 cards of the same suit as yours... ur a favorite so u can raise ...call ...go all in and u will win most of the time

[Psychosoldier187]

how dare ya say phil sucks he beat ur ass

[pokerace87]

he doesnt even beat his grandma playing cards

[furiouspete86]

I agree with freewill1978, cudnt have put it more bluntly and straight forward for u idiots who seem to not agree with simple odds

[nitzwalsh86]

One word: Multi-way.

[smoothpeople33]

those odds are pre-flop....after the flop having suited cards gives you more ways to win a pot.

[nhanoo2000]

Yeah i agree. His stats depend on the math, which if you play heads-up. If there are more players in the hand, they might be holding the outs you need. Therefore, your flush goes down even more against these guys since they might have a bigger flush.

I will never raise on small suited connectors, but will call with 4-7 others in the pot to crack them hard. hahaah

[furiouspete86]

Wow, ddnt realise the percentage difference was so little. I often play suited cards i get dealt thinking ive got at least a 10-15 percentage increase of winning the hand than if i had unsuited. Cheers for the tip!

[starbd]

Dude, they're suited - you HAVE to play them.

[slackeriii]

and the thought "hmm .. maybe that the suited flop is the reason he's calling me every time" never crossed your mind, eh? :))))

if i were you i wouldn't have raised so much in that scenario.

[PegasusRomeo]

He's right. What you all are missing is that he's talking about situations where you're most likely to be heads up, etc late in tournaments and in tight ring games. Your 4-flush draw has no value to draw to when you're only playing one opponent, and if they're good, will make you pay to draw to it. It's worth it in ring games only because you might have multiple opponents calling a bet on the flop, which gives you the right odds to draw. Drawing to a flush heads up = fish poker.

[skipaa]

wot a waste of time that was

[getduloh]

last night i had pocket queens, playing 3/5 NL. i raise to $25 per flop, and this douchebag called me with jack seven because they were suited. he flopped the flush draw. i bet the pot on the flop, he called, then i moved in for about $175 on the turn when it came a blank, and this guy calls with nothing but a jack high flush draw. needles to say he hit on the river. what an asshole.

[slackeriii]

and the thought "hmmm .. maybe the suited flop is the reason he's calling my every bet" :))))

if i were you i wouldn't have raised with QQ in that scenario.

[freewill1978]

Umm..he got all his money in before the flush hit, genius.  Nothing he could do about it.

[kenshinr]

haha geeze he called u $175 on a draw musta been loaded bad luck man

[Jahioto]

You cant win that much with flushes imao cause theyre so obvious. Straights have much more value to me

[n0xie]

It's bad advice. It all depends on position, table, players i.e. circumstances. For instance 5-6 suited in late position when everyone limped in, is a great card. You can limp in, hope for a good flop, or else just fold. The potodds are highly in your favor if several ppl limp in and there is no preflop raise.

There is nothing better than seeing someone's slowplayed pocket rocket go bust on your flushdraw or straightdraw, especially if several people are in the pot.

[freewill1978]

Well, the main lesson to take away from this video is that you should never play two cards just because they are suited. Q-4 suited is just about as worthless as Q-4 unsuited, for one thing because even if you get there you could still lose to a higher flush.  If you think that the only way you can expect your hand to win you money is if you hit a flush, then you probably shouldn't play it.

[mvogt]

That tip isnt that good. I mostly play Ace anything suited only because of its suitedness. And of course I only play for the flush. If I dont hit, fine, then I only lost the blinds. But if I hit, it´s payday.

You have to play Axs like small pocket pairs. If you dont hit anything get away and if you hit, take their chips. The probabilities shown in this video are only relevant when you want to go allin with your suited cards, and that is of course nonsense.

[dontlikemb]

nice was playing it wrong

[berk77]

lmao

[sergeanthammok]

Oh my god, I've been doing it wrong for years >_<