I love her interpretation of this entire sonata. She glides through it by making at cohesive emotionally. Even though each movement is a different mood she doesn't forget things that have just happened or forget to anticipate what's coming appropriately... Just like we do in real life.
Now on to that piano... The b above middle c is a bit detuned (not terribly) It has that distracting "twang" in comparison to the other pitches in that register.
this is definitly NOT the right feeling. This is not a baroque menuetto... After the DEATH in the 2. movement this has to be LIGHT, BRIGHT and completely... animato... I really don't like this romantic interpretaions of beethoven's scherzo's
@Haeronthegreat What does it have to do with my comment on the interpretation? In later works Beethoven replaced the mE(!)nuett (says so in the music) by a scherzo. But still it is the same gestus you have to reach in it, energic and fresh, and this was the thing I missed by Koblar.
yes, the sound and performance is outstanding, all of the movements.
But the way she sits and plays, just not professional, elbows so high, shoulders so high and tense, I hate that, she has to be so tired and exhausted after this, look at her position and her hands, so tense and stiff...thats just not good
I've seen all Irena's videos just to probe what you say. Her technique is a little bit rigide, but that's not a problem for her because she has a very strong hands, you may notice that in her forearm and the she moves her fingers. She has much control of her hand. Her wrist is a little bit up sometimes. I think you're confused, her shoulders are not high, its her dress. Somtimes she gets tense, but is not to much. Her problem for me is her excessive rubato in Beethoven, a little bit out of style
Schiff said about the beginning of this movement: "After such a deep tragedy and frozen silence, suddenly life begins. It's like a ray of hope, like a little flower on the side of the grave." Unfortunately, I cannot feel that connection to the second movement here. It feels like a lot of the tension from the second movement still remains, probably because of the stiffness that others already have detected.
With all of her dexterity and musicality - I detect a stiffness and lack of momentum in her playing that is quite disturbing. Can't quite pin it down though...
I agree with you - this is no relaxed technique. And over and over again I notice that female pianists play staccato staccatissimo. I've heard only a few exceptions (Hess, Norton, Argerich, Larocha). For me, Koblar uses far too little sustaining pedal, so that there is even more disturbing dryness, and too little dynamic contrasts. This can't compete with the wonderful recording of this sonata by Richter.
Hear the whole sonata, played by Irena, so that you can hear this movement in context. It's all on YouTube. Her fine account of the long slow movement will entrance any sensitive listener.
I love her interpretation of this entire sonata. She glides through it by making at cohesive emotionally. Even though each movement is a different mood she doesn't forget things that have just happened or forget to anticipate what's coming appropriately... Just like we do in real life.
Now on to that piano... The b above middle c is a bit detuned (not terribly) It has that distracting "twang" in comparison to the other pitches in that register.
christoperfect 1 year ago
And it is muuuch to slow in my opinion.
gwozdezzz 1 year ago
oh no... this movement is... no... nooooo..
this is definitly NOT the right feeling. This is not a baroque menuetto... After the DEATH in the 2. movement this has to be LIGHT, BRIGHT and completely... animato... I really don't like this romantic interpretaions of beethoven's scherzo's
gwozdezzz 1 year ago
@gwozdezzz Actually, it is a minuet. Says so in the music.
Haeronthegreat 1 year ago
@Haeronthegreat What does it have to do with my comment on the interpretation? In later works Beethoven replaced the mE(!)nuett (says so in the music) by a scherzo. But still it is the same gestus you have to reach in it, energic and fresh, and this was the thing I missed by Koblar.
gwozdezzz 1 year ago
Not perfect!!
jermanyificationify 2 years ago
Man, I need to buy her DVD, anybody know where I can buy it?
SertavisPianist 2 years ago
brilliant and ingenious! very well done!
piianno 2 years ago
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iloveaccompanying 2 years ago
Well done! And of course, this piece is brilliant.
brotherstan28 2 years ago
An excellent performance! This little Menuetto and Trio is such a splendid addition to this marvelous Sonata.
thepianomaniac 3 years ago
yes, the sound and performance is outstanding, all of the movements.
But the way she sits and plays, just not professional, elbows so high, shoulders so high and tense, I hate that, she has to be so tired and exhausted after this, look at her position and her hands, so tense and stiff...thats just not good
animelf 3 years ago
I'd have to disagree. She's totally at ease in my view. A blind man wouldn't mind at all uh? Regards.
Asgoodasgod 2 years ago 2
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hfdmozart 2 years ago
yeah.. her hand movements just seem so elegant and beautiful. but guess everyone has their own teachers n views
purememory 2 years ago
I've seen all Irena's videos just to probe what you say. Her technique is a little bit rigide, but that's not a problem for her because she has a very strong hands, you may notice that in her forearm and the she moves her fingers. She has much control of her hand. Her wrist is a little bit up sometimes. I think you're confused, her shoulders are not high, its her dress. Somtimes she gets tense, but is not to much. Her problem for me is her excessive rubato in Beethoven, a little bit out of style
EdiEllerymissing 2 years ago
Schiff said about the beginning of this movement: "After such a deep tragedy and frozen silence, suddenly life begins. It's like a ray of hope, like a little flower on the side of the grave." Unfortunately, I cannot feel that connection to the second movement here. It feels like a lot of the tension from the second movement still remains, probably because of the stiffness that others already have detected.
wogya 4 years ago
Interesting that Schiff said that. It reminds me what Liszt said about the middle part of the "Mondschein"sonata: "Une fleur entre deux abîmes."
FlorestanEusebius 4 years ago
With all of her dexterity and musicality - I detect a stiffness and lack of momentum in her playing that is quite disturbing. Can't quite pin it down though...
lourak 4 years ago
I agree with you - this is no relaxed technique. And over and over again I notice that female pianists play staccato staccatissimo. I've heard only a few exceptions (Hess, Norton, Argerich, Larocha). For me, Koblar uses far too little sustaining pedal, so that there is even more disturbing dryness, and too little dynamic contrasts. This can't compete with the wonderful recording of this sonata by Richter.
FlorestanEusebius 4 years ago
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GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 3 years ago
Hear the whole sonata, played by Irena, so that you can hear this movement in context. It's all on YouTube. Her fine account of the long slow movement will entrance any sensitive listener.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago 5
I'd like to know more about this pianist. Thanks for posting.
friendlybarman 4 years ago