CBC Connect with Mark Kelley: PETA Pies interview with Dan Mathews

[trilobright]

Peta are douchebags but thirty days in jail is a bit much for pie-ing someone. Also, that had better be non-dairy creamer pie.

[andrew9966]

PETA as a terrorist group?! Seriously?! Wow how soft are our politicians?

[andalusia89]

SEALERS GIVE CANADA A BLACK EYE, HOW TRUE AND EMBARRASSING MINORITY, DRIVEN BY HATE TOWARDS OUR SEALS

[newstream2010]

Go fuck yourself Kreativer Kopf! Show up in Newfoundland and you will get a brick instead of a pie!

[TheAmazingMrCohen]

"The world is very upset about this"? Why was terrorist Dan Matthews not brought to task for that comment? The world is not upset. It's just these emotionally disturbed PETA terrorists who are upset. Refering to native fishers as "violent sealers" and a "greedy bunch of white men" is hate speech. Why wasn't he brought to task for that? His comments about selling baby seal pelts on the world market is also a lie. Why is the media allowing these lies to go uncontested? It's pure hate propaganda.

[0synesthete0]

@TheAmazingMrCohen Why haven't the "greedy bunch of white men" worldwide been brought to task for stealing native lands ALL over the world since 1492? Down with your half-ass bigotry!

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 racist

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete Atleast not as racist as the "greedy bunch of white men" who carved up continents into colonies by killing, pillaging, raping, and looting the wealth of indigenous peoples worldwide, be it the aborigines of Australasia, or the First Nations of the American continents, or worst still, the rape of Africa and its inhabitants by the same "greedy bunch of white men". Wasn't that racist??

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 well, think about it. those areas are no longer governed by their colonial masters. by and large, the indigenous people are governing themselves. even where the white population still rule, such as Australia, there is at least democracy, and so everyone has the chance to govern their own country. what sort of "bringing to task" do you envisage in order to punish white men for their ancestors' greed?

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete The institutions that exist in most African and Asian countries today are a continuation of the extractive\destructive\corrupt institutions that allowed for a total surplus extraction out of the colonized country, and to the metropole i.e. Europe - Daron Acemoglu & Simon Johnson & James A. Robinson, 2000. "The Colonial Origins of Comparative Development: An Empirical Investigation," NBER Working Papers 7771, National Bureau of Economic Research.

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete What democracy are you talking about? When the entire aborginal population was decimated, and now pushed into remote patches of desert - what "chance" do they have to govern their own country? The so-called democratic institutions are also plagued with institutionalized racism, that often kicks the native out of the process anyway. The "bringing to task" should comprise of atleast recognizing the problems with the systems and trying to fix them.

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 well yeah, that would constitute political reform, which is always welcome if we want to keep a democracy representative of the people it governs. it wouldn't really be punishing the white race, although it may remove any undue advantage they have gained in the colonial era. as to the other countries now independent from colonial rule, there is really nothing to be done without being condemned.

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete How long does your "political reform" take? How many times has it actually worked to empower natives in real terms? (and i'm not talking about fake apologies that act as smokescreens) I never talked of punishing anyone, you're the one who's seeking to punish your race. I'm just underlining the not-so-obvious facts about the democractic utopia you live in. And its very convenient to "condemn" colonized nations/countries after plundering all their wealth.

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete Onward Chartered Soldiers, on to heathen lands,

Prayer books in your pockets, rifles in your hands.

Take the florious tidings where trade can be done,

Spread the peaceful gospel --- with a Maxim gun.

Tell the wretched natives, sinful are their hearts,

Turn their heathen temples into spirit marts.

And if to your teaching they will not succumb,

Give them another sermon with the Maxim gun...

- composed by the "Chartered Company Volunteers", Matabele (later Rhodesia), 1893.

[MadOldPete]

Respond to this video... the countries in Africa and Asia sought there own independence, and any misrule is consequently their prerogative to fix. if Western powers were to intervene, it would be seen as further colonial meddling.

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete So basically, you're blaming the colonized countries of seeking liberty/self-rule, and any problems today are theirs alone to fix. Well guess what, issues like Israel/Palestine, Kashmir, Rwanda, Solomon Islands etc. do not exist only because of the native populations of those countries. They exist precisely because someone from Europe sought to first destabilize them, then favour one faction over the other and supply them arms to kill them all. And then of course, send an oil tanker.

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 so basically, you read selectively, choosing to infer whatever supports your polarized views. let's try not to post lengthy, indulgent poems full of irrelevant rhetoric, and think about what matters. it is obviously not a blameworthy sentiment to want independence, but once independence is achieved, it is the responsibility of those who desired home rule to undertake it fairly and democratically. to be honest, I can't help but think that this just a polemic against white people.

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete The same people who composed that poem killed 1500 warriors with mechanized guns in a single day, so it is quite relevant. After becoming independent, what institutions did the colonized countries inherit to modernize themselves? read that research paper on comparative development, and you'll understand the colonial origins of the backwardness of institutions in the third world. to be honest, I can't help but think that its not my views, but its the truth that you can't handle.

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 it is of course true that European colonialism is the most significant modern instance of aggressive expansionism, but you've got to get away from the idea that race is somehow relevant. history is rife with conquests and reconquests, and the best way forward is not to seek retribution against people for the sins of their ancestors.

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete European colonialism is without example in the entire history of humankind. Never did any other people, with such barbaric efficiency, bring together the entire world in a bid to become what alexander or chengis khan could not even dream of. i'm not seeking retribution against anyone, i'm just listing historical truths. As George Santayana said, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it" - so lets try to learn from the past and improve our present and future.

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 yes, thank you for agreeing with me, although you could try to control your bigotry more. also, I think meant something like "equivalent" or "equal" rather than "example."

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete My bigotry?? Huh, its the truth Mr. John Smith, read a book from any country on European colonialism (ironically, including Canada). About the semantics and the typo, I'm sure you understood what I meant.

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 well, it's only really a typo if it's accidental, it's important that you actually know what you're saying. and as I said, you've got to get away from the idea that the race of colonists is somehow relevant. if you're saying that, you're implying all kinds of dangerous things, and eugenics isn't far down the road. I agree with you that colonialism was, by and large, greedy and ruthless. and why are you calling me John Smith?

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete What makes you so sure of yourself to know whether it was or wasn't an accident, huh? Well, if you read anything about the history of Canada or USA, "race" was literally THE deciding factor between life and death in some cases, and we all know which "race" was decimated and defrauded by which other "race". Ultimately, race is a false social construct, but you can't negate its existence and reality, and its relation to colonialism (and neo-), and imperialism (and neo-).

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 you can't negate its existence historically, but to disregard race now (not racism, but race) is the healthitest thing we can do. ultimately, for all the rhetoric about the colour of your skin not mattering, it is discussed all too often, in all sorts of contexts, as though it matters. all that stuff about "decimating and defrauding" should be remembered as a historical warning, but it shouldn't be considered relevant to modern politics. i hope you can see that.

[0synesthete0]

@MadOldPete the present state of politics did not just arrive spontaneously, it followed a series of events\occurrences. its quite easy to just blame natives for their condition, but difficult to understand and fathom the systemic and systematic racism that their older generations had to bear, and as a result, directed affected, and continues to affect their present. institutionalized racism still haunts the so-called "developed" world in various ways, shapes, and forms. i hope you can see that.

[MadOldPete]

@0synesthete0 you're not even responding to what I've said now, who's blaming the natives? as I've said, historically, race was a big issue, but any "haunting" of racism that remains is simply something to be set aside and transcended.