9/11: Absolute Proof NO DEMOLITION at WTC Twin Towers -- "THE TOWER IS LEANING" & Buckling

[Martialartyogi]

well no opinion matters because the fact that noone wants to realy investigate says it all

[tinzovideo]

U suck! This is not proof.

[phlyegles43]

@tinzovideo This is if you know what is happening in the structure. The heat from the flames fueled by jet fuel and office supplies caused the truss's to lose half of its strength (not melt) Those truss's began to sag and pulled on the outer face and caused the bowing and the top sections of the building collapsed downward on top of the remaining portion of the building destroying other key support truss's and columns.

[tinzovideo]

@phlyegles43 Ok, you can say that, but look at the other facts proving 9/11 fake.

[phlyegles43]

@tinzovideo Its not fake, it happened. Word choice is crucial. But you have yet to give me any facts to argue my claims.

[adriangreen369]

@MoseleyJon hahaha oh wow. I'm sure they photoshopped every single video that you can clearly see Molten Iron and they photoshopped Firefighters saying there were these molten pools of Iron then? You're such an insult I don't know why I even respond to you.

[adriangreen369]

@JonathonMoseley haha oh wow you insult my intelligence, I can't even believe you "think" there was no Molten "anything". You are a sad excuse for a human being, stuck in your sad little world. and yes they didn't find Molten Lava because Molten Lava comes from inside the Earth, dumb ass. There were massive amounts of Molten Iron. You're such an ignorant joke I don't even know why I waste my time. It's sad that I enlisted in the US ARMY to defend such a narcistic son of a bitch

[MoseleyJon]

@adriangreen369 There was nothing molten at the WTC site. Reports were that there was RED metal. Molten metal is yellow or WHITE. Reports from eyewitnesses of the color of what they saw confirms that it was NOT molten.

Furthermore, reports do not identify the metal they were talking about. They had no way of knowing what metal it was. We know that aluminum gets red at much lower temperatures and melts at much lower temperatures than iron.

[MoseleyJon]

@adriangreen369 However, there are famously photo-shopped (faked) photographs of the clean-up crew weeks after 9/11, cutting up the wrecakge with torches, made to look like there are poos of something. Comparing the published legitimate photo against the faked version proves it was altered.

[DarkwingScooter]

Weaksauce.

[krayzeejojo]

I'm completely neutral on this subject, but what's your opinion on the "explosions" that witnesses heard before the collapse? And also the visible puffs of dust below the collapsing sections as they came down?

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo  Well, thank you for your open-minded attitude. The 9/11 Truthers pose themselves as "asking questions" but they instead offer conclusions and refuse to investigate the information that is out there and refuse to listen to the answers to their questions.

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions. Entire networks, and magazines, are devoted to people who are interested in finding out how things work, and what is true and what is not true. What bothers me the most is people who pretend to be asking questions, but are really not.

Gathering information and exploring the ideas and the options is what we should be doing. Curiosity, even skepticism, should be encouraged.

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo First, when conspiracy theorists recite "facts" we find that these are almost always false. If you trace them back to their origins, you find that the truth bears almost no relationship to what the Truthers are claiming.

So these reports are CHANGED in the re-telling and become distorted in bizarre ways as one hysterical blog after another CHANGEs the story in one retelling to the next. You have to go back to the original story.

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo Second, reports of sounds "LIKE" explosions were at the TIME of the aircraft impact.

Any true explosives would cause the building to collapse IMMEDIATELY -- not 1 hour later (1.5 hours later for one tower).

So we know that these were NOT demolition explosives, because they had NO EFFECT on the building. The towers did not collapse until 1 hour and 1.5 hours later.

Third, people reported cracking sounds and the building SHIFTING as sounding LIKE explosives

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo Fourth, when the airplanes hit, the jet fuel on board EXPLODED.

This is a fact.

We all saw it.

Don't simply brush aside the gigantic explosion of jet fuel.

The designer of the WTC, Leslie Robertson, calculated the explosion of jet fuel as being 236 times the power (energy) of the bomb that destroyed the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.

The jet fuel explosion forced its way down every open channel or crevice. The explosion forced its way down the elevator shafts

[ryconster]

@JonathonMoseley Still you can explain the collapse of wtc7 without serious doubts relating to a controlled demolition.. That building fell at nearly freefall speed 6.5seconds. Impossible too, as the building doesnt deviate to the left of right.. Infact to bring it down in the same manner as on the day you would have had to knock out all 24columns within one 10th of a second otherwise the building would TIP.. fire cannot do this.. If it can do this then ALL skyscraper owners BEWARE

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo It is a VERY, VERY well-established and documented FACT that a fireball of exploding jet fuel blasted down the elevator shaft, and EXPLODED (blasted) out the lobby doors and into the basement.

People in the lobby were set on fire by the fireball roaring down the elevator shaft. A security guard was INCINERATED -- his charred corpse still seated at a security table in front of the elevator doors in the lobby. The lobby elevator doors were blown out and charred with fire.

[ryconster]

@JonathonMoseley The elevator shafts (ALL OF THEM) were air tight in the case of a fire, so it would have been impossible for fire to travel down a airtight elevator shaft 1100feet and still retain enough energy to blow out all the glass in the lobby.. IMPOSSIBLE.. Too many conflicting stories in relation to explosions in the basement just seconds before impact.. Just doesnt add up.. IMPOSSIBLE

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo Hundreds of survivors reported the overwhelming smell of jet fuel (described as like kerosene, etc) inside the WTC towers GROWING STRONGER CLOSER TO THE GROUND. The closer they moved to ground floor to escape, the STRONGER the smell of kerosene / jet fuel became. So, jet fuel poured down the elevator shafts into the BASEMENT and ground floor area.

This jet fuel did explode, repeatedly.

But the tower fell from the TOP DOWN. Explosions in the basement could not cause this.

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo Regarding visible puffs, think about what you would EXPECT to see.

You cannot talk about the evidence without first knowing what you SHOULD see from a natural collapse (caused by a terrorist airplane collision) versus some planned demolition from within.

In demolition, you'd need to see 268 explosions AROUND THE OUTSIDE of the building to destroy the 268 steel support columns around the OUTSIDE.

If you only see half a dozen, what does this tell you? Were 268 columns destroyed?

[JonathonMoseley]

@krayzeejojo Finally, ask yourself this.... how could pre-planted explosives SURVIVE in a fire that burned for 1 hour or 1.5 hour?

If you put explosives in a FIRE of jet fuel, what would happen?

[ryconster]

@JonathonMoseley Not true actually,, C4 would definately go off during the fires but not THERMITE. The fact is that somehow these buildings fell in just over 10seconds.. Freefall time would be 8.5seconds.. That gives about 1-2 seconds of resistance.. But that means that the top 15stories destroyed 85stories to collapse in less than 11seconds.. IMPOSSIBLE.. Jetfuel cant weaken steel 50stories below the impact.. INCREDIBLY IMPOSSIBLE

[JonathonMoseley]

@ryconster Yes, thermite WOULD go off during the fire. But the CONTROL devices for any thermite would be melted or destroyed by the jet fuel explosion and fires.

Freefall would be 7.5 seconds. The buildings fell in 15-17 seconds (two towers).

What is impossible is for explosives and control devices to survive the jet fuel explosion and fire. 100% IMPOSSIBLE. Controlled demolition COULD NOT have occurred at the WTC towers.

[ryconster]

@JonathonMoseley you are lying.. Freefall would be 8.5seconds and you are absolutely lying about 15 - 17seconds.. Even seismic data recorded the falls at 9seconds for north tower and 11seconds the south tower.. Again you are suggesting that 15stories pile drived 85stories to the ground.. Even if it pancaked there would have been columns standing and that would have taken over a minute

[Mr420woo]

@JonathonMoseley ummm no freefall would be 9.2 seconds. do you know how to do math?

[ryconster]

@ryconster Your'e also ignoring the possibility of bombs being on board the planes. Its outrageous to think these men could guide these planes to their target without airtraffic control help.when they were trained only to fly very small planes. You are ignoring almost half of these highjackers have turned up alive

[ryconster]

@ryconster u have to look at whats really been found in the dust though, nano thermate, not thermite. thermite was the square root if ya know what i mean. You cant go on thinking this wasnt staged its not right man. You really need to wake up and i am not lying.

[mak000013]

@JonathonMoseley

Clearly Sir you are lying and I don t understand why!You cannot believe the things you write I m sure!

[migbee]

@krayzeejojo You think maybe floors collapsing on each other would make a loud sound that could have been construed as an explosion, especially amid the chaos? The visible puffs of dust could be windows blowing out due to thermal expansion and incredibly high pressure from the floors falling on top of each other. There's a million possibilities. It is an affront to science to assume without doubt that it must have been detonations, as so many have suggested.

[ThePeacefulResistor]

So CLEARLY, OBVIOUSLY, UNDOUBTEDLY, IRREFUTABLY, AN INSIDE JOB!

[s3v3rdl0ck]

Trying to prove 9/11 was not an inside job, is just about as lame as claiming to proove what womens inner secrets are.

[JonathonMoseley]

Only an insane person would suggest that 9/11 was an inside job. You have to be truly mentally ill to think that anyone other than Al Qaeda planned, arranged, funded, and implemented the 9/11 attacks on the USA.

There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever of a non-Al Qaeda conspiracy.

Saying you don't believe or undrestand what happened is NOT evidence that something else happened instead. That is evidence only that *YOU* don't understand what happened.

We do. You might not. We do

[s3v3rdl0ck]

Who's 'we'? Evidance of a split personality? ;)

[jamessmith888]

Before anyone here forms an opinion on what happened on 911 they should watch "Loose Chnage" and "Blueprint for truth".

[JonathonMoseley]

Loose change has been expsed as a pack of lies.

Watch the video, here on You Tube, "Screw Loose Change" It shows every assertion, and proes why every statmenet in Loose Change is a lie.

Also note that Loose Change was made by a then 18-year old kid, who had never worked a real job in his life, literally in his bedroom, on the computer a few feet from his bed. So if you really want to trust an 18-year old kid, Dylan Avery, you're sad.

[jamessmith888]

Whether anyone believes the buildings were leaning, buckling or whatever, this still does not explain the traces of; the explosive 'thermite', pools of molten lava under the WTC towers, the fact the fire burnt for 2 months after the buildings came down, numerous eyewitness reports of explosions prior to any of the three building collapsing, the free fall speed of the towers, the buildings being reduced to rust... need I go on?

[JonathonMoseley]

Yes, it does.

First, there were no traces of thermite. NONE.

Second, thermite is NOT an explosive.

Third, if the building were already failing for 5 to 10 minutes before it fell, then there could not be any demolition. BEFORE the time when explosives might have gone off, the building was already sagging and failing.

Fourth, it is massively documented that the explosions heard were jet fuel exploding in the elevator shafts

[JonathonMoseley]

Yes, I think you'd better go on b/c you're at zero so far.

Fifth, there was no molten lave nor molten anything at the WTC.

Sixth, it would be 100% irreelvant if there were b/c demolition, incl thermite, COULD NOT cause molten anything longer than 10 minutes afterwards.

Seventh, how long the fire burned has nothing to do with demolition.

Eighth, the UNTRUE "free fall speed" of the towers is 100% IRRELEVANT. The government does not have a magic gravity machine making it fall faster

[JonathonMoseley]

Ninth, the building was not reduced to dust, and that would be 100% irrelevant even i it were reduced to dust. Demolition has nothing to do with that.

The dust was DRYWALL -- a very soft substance used to make interior walls. Gigantic amounts of drywall are used in any office building. Drywall installers who sand it to a smooth fit cause the EXACT SAME fine white powder to cover EVERYTHING in the area, their hair, their clothes, tec.... exactly like the WTC on 9/11

[JonathonMoseley]

Finally, as to molten lava,

witnesses reported RED HOT METAL.

They did NOT identifiy it as steel, only as metal.

So it could be aluminum, which melts at the same temperature that ordinary office fires burn

However, metla that is RED HOT is NOT molten.

Molten metal is YELLOW or WHITE, not red

But controlled demolition COULD NOT cause any thing to be molten more than 1 hour after demoltion.

Once again, the truthers are just thrashing around with no logic

[field33P]

Maybe they damaged the foundation and then made it look like a airplane flies into the building?

[JonathonMoseley]

M A Y B E ????

How about we know what happened.

Why do you want to play around with "MAYBE" ???

How hard are you trying in order to falsely accuse innocent people?

Why do you want to strain and stretch and twist teh truth in order to accuse innocent people?

However, this video and testimonials prove that AT THE POINT OF IMPACT, the building started to BEND. The movement was where the aircraft hist the building.

Controlled demolition is 100% impossible

[field33P]

I didn't say that... AND I SAID MAYBE... never heard of, I guess...

[JonathonMoseley]

But you did say that, and everyone knows that the people "ASKING QUESTIONS' are NOT "asking questions." They are obviously making accusations.

There are entire TV channels, magazines, and books devoted to "How Things Work." Nothing wrong with curiosity or wantign to know how something happened.

But when you are accusing innocent people of a horrific crime, that is not your RIGHT to smear innocent people.

When it is overwhelmingly clear they are innocent, you can't play around

[Secretsoftami]

omg !

[Sedryn]

9/11 was staged. That is a fact. I read it on the internet..  *rolls eyes*

[JonathonMoseley]

It is not "after all these years," this was broadcast on ABC News on 9/11.

However, leaning obviously means "buckling" as the other witness confirmed. the entire building was not tilting. It was bending at the impact wound.

You Write: Well...when it would lean to some side ....it would fall that side ...

NO, false. You need to learn how modern buildings are constructed. They resist collapse by shifting and distributing the load. This focuses weight into the centerline

[MrMothersFinest]

Then you didnt watch enough.....its all over youtube....and not one video showing a leaning tower.....

[JonathonMoseley]

Sorry to break it to you, but the world does not exist on the internet.

The world exists in real live.

News helicopters, New York City police helicopters, NYC firefighters, all agree that the building was collapsing in slow motion for 5 to 10 minutes BEFORE the collapse started.

NYC fire chiefs declared that the WTC Twin Towers were severely damaged and were going to collapse 30 minutes before they did collapse.

Damage would not have started until demolition if it were demolition

[MrMothersFinest]

Well...when it would lean to some side ....it would fall that side ...and it didnt do that did it??

After all these years all off a sudden it was leaning ....nobody saw it in any video...for 8 years .....!!??

[simonmullen]

nobody saw bombs either i know i havent in 8 years

[JonathonMoseley]

No. Falling to one side requires a HORIZONTAL FORCE.

Gravity pulls things DOWN.

For something to move to th side requires a FORCE pushing it to one side.

Gravity pulls things DOWN.

Once the building gave way underneath the leaning top, the building fell straight down.

For one thing, you have to realize that buildings are NOT solid blocks. They are open spaces for people to walk around inside, held up by STICKS of steel. When the sticks come apart, it falls -- fast