@SUNNYRHOADES9 The movie doesn't live up to the soundtrack as it's very amateurish. I do like the story though. So with that in mind I must say that Brian did a great job with the score. Schlöndorff thought so too. I would love to see an official release of the soundtrack since it's not only interesting for Brian and Stones-fans but also for fans of Jimmy Page and Nicky Hopkins. It's not that strong on it's own (like Harrisons Wonderwall for instance) but still good and interesting.
From Wiki, it cites a very reliable source (ie: Bill) "Bill Wyman claims in his books that the song "Paint It, Black", the first single released in 1966 from Aftermath, was a collective effort of the group, and should have been credited Nanker Phelge, but mistakenly was credited to Jagger/Richards at the end." Mistakenly my arse...
@gillybgoode You mentioned owning a replica guitar of Brian's. There was a story in Mojo how Ronnie got some of Brian's old 'teardrop' guitars out of storage and was planning to use it one night on the Bridges to Babylon tour. Keith took one look at it and said, 'Take that fucking thing off. Now.' Even after all these years they're uncomfortable with his legacy. Pity.
@JoshSwartzberg What a bizarre remark. I'm not trying to 'project' anything mate. Are you an amateur shrink or something? I'm recounting an anecdote that appeared in a magazine. Just read your other comments, are you Keith Richards' PR guy or something?
@richievegas01 ...but I admit i was rude. It's meant to be a more general statement in response to your comment, not to be so personal. I am not Keith's pr guy by the way.
@JoshSwartzberg What a bizarre remark. I'm not trying to 'project' anything mate. Are you an amateur shrink or something? I'm recounting an anecdote from a magazine. Just read your other comments, are you one of Keith Richards' PR guys?
@atticthoughts I've found it! Been looking for this for ages. The closest we'll ever get to a Brian solo LP. The film is public domain these days as no-one has renewed the copyright on it. Yeah, that is extremely strange to say the least that the master tapes have been 'lost'. I hope they weren't looted from Brian's house along with all the other stuff after he died. Excellent upload mate. Many thanks.
@richievegas01 Brian did suffer a lot of robberies to most of all the residences he did live in when he was alive, it at one point happened almost monthly to him according to the old magazines from both america and the uk I've read.
@moxie96 The master tapes and multitrack tapes would still have been kept in the studio I believe just like the Stones recordings. But Brian must have had copies of it at home.
@moxie96 Yeah, he had a lot of nefarious hangers-on, more than most rock stars did it seems. People complain about all the security rock stars have nowadays, I think a lot of it, other than for personal safety (and a bit of arrangrandisement,obviously) is to stop vultures like that getting into their orbit. Some stuff of Brian's was auctioned at Sotheby's in 1984, including a rare guitar and an inscribed watch Alexis Corner gave him. Tom Keylock had definitely robbed them from Cotchford Farm.
I have a copy of the movie and supposedly Brian appears in a couple scenes but i never see him...it looks like a couple sections of the movie were deleted for some reason, a couple scenes where it looks like it jumps to another scene in a cut up style...great music but a terrible film
@EndlessNot1 There's nothing special or out of the ordinay about this music as a sound track for a 60's film. Absolutely nothing. Just fan hysteria projecting,"Oh wow, never heard anything so genious in my farting life!" Come off it! Do you want to know where you can find the best Stones and Zep songs? On their best records!
@JoshSwartzberg i have all the zep stones stuff Josh...didn't mean to get your panties all up in a bunch about it but it would be interesting to hear the soundtrack without watching the crummy movie...never said anything about genious....calm down Josh
@JoshSwartzberg A Degree of Murder has nothing to do with the Stones or Zep. Brian Jones composed it and it's cool that he got his buddy Page to play on it. It's special in three ways: 1. It's a versatile piece of work for somebody who hadn't written a soundtrack before. 2. The soundtrack fits the movie it was made for perfectly and 3. It was composed by a guy that has been described as somebody that had no talent to write music.
Holy.... isn't it a shame for every person involved that the A degree of murder-soundtrack never came out as an album? I just can't believe it. Where to hell are the mastertapes? Kidnapped or what? Holy christ!!!
@furzkanne They are "lost". Nobody knows were they are. I agree that it's a freaking shame that it didn't get a proper release. It would be a collector's item these days.
After all it's a shame that A degree of murder ist still not released in 2010. Everybody knows how all the fans are waiting for it. Shame on everybody keeping it hidden. I'm sorry for myself and for Brian. And for us all.
@alpham Rumours say that they were destroyed or lost. Director Volker Schlöndorff has still got a copy from it but legal mumbo jumbo prevent him from releasing it. :(
@EmpZappa66 YES! Absolutely!!! Brian was on his way to a super group that also included Hendrix and Clapton.. The STones would have been sunk like a lead balloon if that happenend and Jager?Richards were not gonna let that happen.
The rest, is history. Greed and envy won and Brian is in a hole because of it.
@EndlessNot1 That is your opinion, but I think that should have Brian lived and gotten together with those musicians, the Stones would have definately been over shadowed by Brian and his new collaborations. Jagger/Richards would have definatley had some challenges.
@gillybgoode As if!! This is the ramblings of some conspiracy theorist day dreamer...man. You could really see Hendrix, Clapton and Jones in a group together? Come on. Think of the ego's, the differences in musical taste and direction...and how exactly would this have had an impact on the stones? Explain please. Like Mick Jagger and Keith Richards could 'prevent' this from happening? What planet are you writing from?
@cottageorgan If you go back and study a bit more, you will find that Hendrix, Jone and some other high profiled musicians were going to collaborate on a musical project. It's not my opinion, this is a fact. Clapton is an age old Blues man and Hendrix and jones were and did do some work together, the soneg is, "My little one". Ths is a rarre recording that does exist. The impact on the STones would no doubt be there if their projected went further, Think about it.
@atticthoughts Well, if you know how Jones played and his groove, then you would hear that it's him...plus I am sure there are many avenues of research you can use find to support this. That's funny that you are so unsure about it being Brian playing on that record. IT's kinda a knowm fact. What more do you need?
@gillybgoode If we talked about a guitar instead of a sitar I would most likely have heard if it was Brian or not. With My Little One it's very difficult to hear who's playing the sitar. It sounds nothing like the eastern motifs that Brian played on sitar or dulcimer and Eddie Kramer, who mixed the session, gives no credit to Brian on the song (according to the book Ultimate Experience by John McDermott and Eddie Kramer). Eddie says that the guy on the sitar was Dave Mason.
That is the only fact I've found on the matter. The story that Brian played the sitar seem to be based on rumours. However, Hendrix old girl Kathy Etchingham claims that Brian brought his sitar to the All Along the Watchtower sessions but he ended up playing percussion on the track instead. My Little One was recorded in 67 and All Along the Watchtower in 1968. If Kathy has mixed up the dates and sessions it could very well be Brian playing the sitar on My Little One. But I don't think so
@gillybgoode I believe Eddie Kramer. He has given Brian credit for the percussion on All Along the Watchtower and he has also given him credit for playing the piano on the same song, a take that wasn't used. So I'm sure he would give Brian credit for the sitar if it was him.
To be fair George Harrison was probably the only one that was schooled on the sitar among the famous musicians back then. Dave Mason was more or less like Brian musically. He also had the gift to play various instruments.
@atticthoughts Yes, agreed that George Harrison was very schooled in Sitar.. I am not sure if I know enough thoroghly about the others tho.. I will check it out.
By looking back in rock history, Brian and Jimi Hendrix were close... my thinking is that it was most likely Brian on Sitar on that song, more then anyone else.. because of the timing and growing friendship between them, jmho.
@atticthoughts Very interestng point.. yes Dave Mason was involved with some music with Brian. Alto Brian Jones missed the boat on getting his credit towards much music that has been released. I believe it was Jones playing on this track.
As a musician myself... his groove and infulence seem like it's right there. So I guess this is one more thing for ppl to argue over regarding Brian Jones.
What a shame. I think had he lived.. his mark on music and production would have carved a deeper path
@gillybgoode There are two problems with the Stones and the sessions at the Olympic Studios. 1: After the Jagger/Richards trademark (made up by Oldham) none of the other members would get any credit. Bill talks about in Stone Alone where he was called greedy by M&K when asked to get credit for parts that he wrote. I wonder who was greedy? :) 2: Nobody seems to have taken any notes on who played what at Olympic Studios. So we have to believe the memories of those involved and our own ears.
@atticthoughts Sadly enough, I do agree with that.. it's a shame that, that happened. Bill's always seemed like a well grounded man.. at least that is my impression of him. It must take great strength to be so silent.
@atticthoughts Why don't you people get off the Jagger/Richards conspiracy trip. Bill said in his book that he wrote the riff for JJFlash, admitting he took Satisfaction(Richards riff) and played it sort of backwards. Melody,lyrics and arrangements are composition. Did any other Stone than Jagger/Richards do that, doubt it. Great contributions with out a doubt! Brian and Taylor too. Listen to Bill's solo records and I rest my case. Bill did get a credit, In Another Land, never again. Smart!
@JoshSwartzberg The albums says "Arranged by the Rolling Stones" so I guess they all were involved in that bit. Jagger and Richards wrote the majority songs. There's no doubt about that. But at times Bill and Brian would come up with melodies or riffs (such as Bill on JJF. Brian on Last Time) that they used but didn't got any credit for. I'm not saying that it happend a lot. Just that there are claims it did happend and not giving credit in those cases was wrong. Taylor has told a similar story
@atticthoughts Yeah, Mick T. co-wrote the sublime 'Moonlight Mile' and the hugely under-rated 'Sway' from 'Sticky Fingers', Keith is totally upfront about that, Mick doesn't get any credit though. He has a co-writing credit for 'Ventillator Blues' from 'Exile' and I think that's it.
Responder a este vídeo... Bill got credit, In another Land and in a smart executive decision, never again. His solo albums will also prove that his compositions were not the same as Jagger/Richards. Great bass player though.
@JoshSwartzberg The only reason that Bill was able to get In Another Land on a Stones album was because he recorded it with session musicians one night when the rest of the band didn't show up. He got a rare opportunity to show the glimmers a finished product that they would find difficult to reject. Lucky for Bill the glimmers even liked it enough to sing background vocals on it. It was the right album as well. But it's not a band effort and he never got the chance again.
@atticthoughts Early pressings of 'Paint It, Black' were meant to be have been credited Nanker/Phelge, the group's joint writing credit, but it wasn't renewed and is now Jagger/Richards. Have to check back on where I read that. The contributions Bill, Brian and Charlie made to that song are absolutely essential to it.
@richievegas01 Yes, PIB is a good example of how important it was for Oldham to have the Jagger/Richards credit as a part of promoting the Rolling Stones. I don't think that it was the glimmers that decided the credis on that actually since everybody in the band, including the glimmers, seem to agree that it was a song that happend in the studio. If that is so NankerPhelge would have been a more fair choice.
@atticthoughts Pardon the repetitveness. thought my comments weren't posting. If you dig the Stones though, then just dig them, so many comments about, Brian the best this or Taylor that or Jagger's a wanker this, Keith that. None are true except that they are one of the best bands for the longest time in history. For all their pitfalls, some shit songs and bad performances they always will be the greatest, when they're on their best, which incudes from the start 'till now.
@gillybgoode Who really knows any of this stuff apart from the people who were there? It's fun to speculate and wish about these kind of things but in the end do they really matter. We've got a shit load of great music from all these people over the years and I'm grateful to them for that. Is till can't see Clapton and Hendrix in the same group. The solo's would never end, it would be death by guitar!!
@cottageorgan Since Brian Jones had the talent to play more the 30 different musical instruments, his talents go unmatched and with that combination of others as well as George Harrison who was a good friend of Brian's this would purpose a good amount of competition for the Stones. There were miles and miles of audio tape that Brian had recorded which goes beyond the time of 1969. Hence, much of his imput on songs released are no doubt Brian's work.
@cottageorgan Then you would recognise it. So before you add your rudeness and ignorance, you would get it. So before you judge me, as what is historical FACT about Hendrix, Clapton and Jones... you can shut your mouth and get educated. There are always ego problems in a band. have you ever been in one? , what basis do you have to be so sure about this collaboration not ever happening. Jagger adn Ritchards would have had their work cut our for them, should this project had wings.
@cottageorgan And with the meetings between these musicians that did in fact occur. Evem the DOORS did a song about this.. look it up, it's on Youtube dude.
If you know the style of Brian's playing and song writing you can even easily identify his work on Exile on Main st. Yes, Brian was dead at that time, but those works on that record and beyone were no doubt Brians touch. And that is not the only record that had his work on it, except physical presence. LEt it Bleed is a good example.
@cottageorgan Ask Mick Taylor! He had to recreate the style of playing guitar to cop the groove of JOnes on Let it Bleed. There are countless other songs that can show you this. Jagger and Richards are no doubt burned into the annals of time with their work, but they would have had still competition should this super group ever did form into a concrete blend in the band that was supposed to form.
Do some research on this.. no conspiracy here.. just rock n roll fact. Man.
@GhostofBrianJones YES! Definately. Alot of corruption and alot of dead ppl around Jagger. What a shame to lose Brian.. he was on the road to making a change for the better after he moved to Sussex... then since he owned the Name Rolling Stones... others saw and knew about the longevity of this band. ALot of $ at stake and greed and death followed.
Jones realy should've stood his ground more.for God's sake...he started this band.Oh whell....he just didn't have the stamina....sad.On the other hand,Jagger&Richards were such brilliant songwriters,no one could've competed with them.
He should've relaxed more ,like Wyman,and appreciated what he got,but then,being such a charismatic performer,it was obviously hard, to see his position usurped
@PAULLONDEN Brian wasn't well mentally. He didn't have the strength to keep up against all the shit that hit him and the drugs only put him in more trouble. Jagger and Richards had, thanks to Oldham, the upper hand when it came to song writing and didn't really allow anyone to compete. No matter what the others may or may not have added to the songs the credit went straight to Jagger/Richards. They were amazing writers but pretty greedy - wich they accused the others to be if they wanted credit.
Whereas I do agree with the your statement about standing his ground..it contradicts this to say he he should "relaxed..and appreciated what he got".We all know what he got'.Yes show business is a nasty game indeed
@PAULLONDEN Yes, I agree. Brian was no doubt outnumbered and other forces took over. He was the richest one in the band, the most talented and the best looking. He tought Keith how to play or refine his blues technique. Brian had alot to lose and even his family members never recieved any $ from his estate. Bill wyman is under contract so tight you can float it on water. He will never talk about Brian. And I would lvoe to hear what he has to say.
@gillybgoode To be fair Wyman has actually been the nicest one in the Stones when talking about Brian. He gave Brian a lot of credit in his book Stone Alone and he has also given Brian the credit for starting the band and naming them.
Personally I would love to hear more from Charlie about Brian. Charlie has said that he got closer to Brian when he moved to Cotchford. I think that he has a lot of good stories.
@atticthoughts Yes, Bill did show kindness to Brian. I know the book you are referring to. I don't think I've ever heard of Charlie say anything about Brian.. He seems like a quiet person.
@gillybgoode He is and probably a little too loyal to Mick and Keith. But he has spoken about Brian in the 25x5 documentary and in the According to the Rolling Stones book.
@atticthoughts Oh yes indeed, he is a bit more loyal to M&K.
I think Bill left the band at a good time and in a safe way.
He has spoken well of Brian and dedicated a nicepage to Brian in one of his books. At the time of Brians funeral at least Bill and Charlie showed up. Bill looked genuine.
I wonder where he was the night of Brian's passing. I have a replica of one of Brian's guitars. Infact, a few of them.. and I have been working on the music of Brian's years in this band. Awesome.
@paisleybabee It will most likely never happen. :( AFAIK there have been one or two attempts but legal issues have stopped them. The original mastertape is said to have been lost or destroyed. But Volker Schlöndorff has still got a copy of it . So hope isn't lost yet...
@atticthoughts Where did you hear someone made attempts to release the soundtrack. I heard Volker Schlondorff didn't now where the master print of the movie or the master tapes of the soundtrack are.
@footlover400 It must have been 8-10 years ago or so and I can't remember where exactly. :( A german guy had heard the bootleg and decided to contact Volker in a serious attempt to release the soundtrack for real. Volker said that he had a copy somewhere and was positive to release it if the guy managed to get the rights to do so. But after some legal research he found out that it would have been too expensive.
Great stuff I would love to see this movie re-released today awesome muisc for 40 years ago.Thank you from Canada.
SUNNYRHOADES9 3 months ago
@SUNNYRHOADES9 The movie doesn't live up to the soundtrack as it's very amateurish. I do like the story though. So with that in mind I must say that Brian did a great job with the score. Schlöndorff thought so too. I would love to see an official release of the soundtrack since it's not only interesting for Brian and Stones-fans but also for fans of Jimmy Page and Nicky Hopkins. It's not that strong on it's own (like Harrisons Wonderwall for instance) but still good and interesting.
atticthoughts 3 months ago
From Wiki, it cites a very reliable source (ie: Bill) "Bill Wyman claims in his books that the song "Paint It, Black", the first single released in 1966 from Aftermath, was a collective effort of the group, and should have been credited Nanker Phelge, but mistakenly was credited to Jagger/Richards at the end." Mistakenly my arse...
richievegas01 8 months ago 6
@richievegas01 I beleive they want to delete Brian name from song writer chronology.
NeoNKL77 5 days ago
Brian Jones - Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones (28 February 1942 -- FOREVER)
ihadadreamcrazydream 1 year ago 2
@gillybgoode You mentioned owning a replica guitar of Brian's. There was a story in Mojo how Ronnie got some of Brian's old 'teardrop' guitars out of storage and was planning to use it one night on the Bridges to Babylon tour. Keith took one look at it and said, 'Take that fucking thing off. Now.' Even after all these years they're uncomfortable with his legacy. Pity.
richievegas01 1 year ago
@richievegas01 Oh? Is that it then? Gotta love how people like yourself projet what they think in to everything. Shut it.
JoshSwartzberg 8 months ago
@JoshSwartzberg What a bizarre remark. I'm not trying to 'project' anything mate. Are you an amateur shrink or something? I'm recounting an anecdote that appeared in a magazine. Just read your other comments, are you Keith Richards' PR guy or something?
richievegas01 8 months ago
@richievegas01 Your last phrase, "Now.' Even after all these years they're uncomfortable with his legacy. Pity"
Is that not your presumption of Keith's reaction? Is that not a common presumption? A bit of a cliché, maybe?
JoshSwartzberg 8 months ago
@richievegas01 ...but I admit i was rude. It's meant to be a more general statement in response to your comment, not to be so personal. I am not Keith's pr guy by the way.
JoshSwartzberg 8 months ago
@JoshSwartzberg What a bizarre remark. I'm not trying to 'project' anything mate. Are you an amateur shrink or something? I'm recounting an anecdote from a magazine. Just read your other comments, are you one of Keith Richards' PR guys?
richievegas01 8 months ago
@atticthoughts I've found it! Been looking for this for ages. The closest we'll ever get to a Brian solo LP. The film is public domain these days as no-one has renewed the copyright on it. Yeah, that is extremely strange to say the least that the master tapes have been 'lost'. I hope they weren't looted from Brian's house along with all the other stuff after he died. Excellent upload mate. Many thanks.
richievegas01 1 year ago
@richievegas01 Brian did suffer a lot of robberies to most of all the residences he did live in when he was alive, it at one point happened almost monthly to him according to the old magazines from both america and the uk I've read.
moxie96 8 months ago
@moxie96 The master tapes and multitrack tapes would still have been kept in the studio I believe just like the Stones recordings. But Brian must have had copies of it at home.
atticthoughts 8 months ago
@moxie96 Yeah, he had a lot of nefarious hangers-on, more than most rock stars did it seems. People complain about all the security rock stars have nowadays, I think a lot of it, other than for personal safety (and a bit of arrangrandisement,obviously) is to stop vultures like that getting into their orbit. Some stuff of Brian's was auctioned at Sotheby's in 1984, including a rare guitar and an inscribed watch Alexis Corner gave him. Tom Keylock had definitely robbed them from Cotchford Farm.
richievegas01 8 months ago
I have a copy of the movie and supposedly Brian appears in a couple scenes but i never see him...it looks like a couple sections of the movie were deleted for some reason, a couple scenes where it looks like it jumps to another scene in a cut up style...great music but a terrible film
EndlessNot1 1 year ago
@EndlessNot1 There's nothing special or out of the ordinay about this music as a sound track for a 60's film. Absolutely nothing. Just fan hysteria projecting,"Oh wow, never heard anything so genious in my farting life!" Come off it! Do you want to know where you can find the best Stones and Zep songs? On their best records!
JoshSwartzberg 8 months ago
@JoshSwartzberg i have all the zep stones stuff Josh...didn't mean to get your panties all up in a bunch about it but it would be interesting to hear the soundtrack without watching the crummy movie...never said anything about genious....calm down Josh
EndlessNot1 8 months ago
@EndlessNot1 Yeah, I guess I am being a bit crochety.
JoshSwartzberg 8 months ago
@JoshSwartzberg A Degree of Murder has nothing to do with the Stones or Zep. Brian Jones composed it and it's cool that he got his buddy Page to play on it. It's special in three ways: 1. It's a versatile piece of work for somebody who hadn't written a soundtrack before. 2. The soundtrack fits the movie it was made for perfectly and 3. It was composed by a guy that has been described as somebody that had no talent to write music.
atticthoughts 8 months ago 3
BRIAN DID LOVE ANITA, THEY LOOK SUITED
leedumett444 1 year ago
Holy.... isn't it a shame for every person involved that the A degree of murder-soundtrack never came out as an album? I just can't believe it. Where to hell are the mastertapes? Kidnapped or what? Holy christ!!!
furzkanne 1 year ago 11
@furzkanne They are "lost". Nobody knows were they are. I agree that it's a freaking shame that it didn't get a proper release. It would be a collector's item these days.
atticthoughts 1 year ago
I don't know if the music will stand on it's own without the movie. Alhtough I would like to see an official release of the soundtrack.
footlover400 1 year ago
After all it's a shame that A degree of murder ist still not released in 2010. Everybody knows how all the fans are waiting for it. Shame on everybody keeping it hidden. I'm sorry for myself and for Brian. And for us all.
furzkanne 1 year ago
BRIAN! JIMMY! This is like... my dream collaboration.
RudiThePrudi 1 year ago
Im not naive but i really want this to be officially released
hopefully when the rolling stones retire people will get interest in digging some oldies like this
giacobaldi2 1 year ago
Stu backstage in back of Bri at 2:38
12347771 1 year ago
Do the master tapes still exist?
alpham 1 year ago
@alpham Rumours say that they were destroyed or lost. Director Volker Schlöndorff has still got a copy from it but legal mumbo jumbo prevent him from releasing it. :(
atticthoughts 1 year ago
@alpham Whoever has the tapes is sitting on a goldmine, a Brian Jones/Jimmy Page collaboration is guaranteed to make ALOT of money.
EmpZappa66 1 year ago
@EmpZappa66 YES! Absolutely!!! Brian was on his way to a super group that also included Hendrix and Clapton.. The STones would have been sunk like a lead balloon if that happenend and Jager?Richards were not gonna let that happen.
The rest, is history. Greed and envy won and Brian is in a hole because of it.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@gillybgoode i doubt just because Brian was gonna start a super group the Stones would've sunk like a lead balloon..that's ridiculous
EndlessNot1 1 year ago
@EndlessNot1 That is your opinion, but I think that should have Brian lived and gotten together with those musicians, the Stones would have definately been over shadowed by Brian and his new collaborations. Jagger/Richards would have definatley had some challenges.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@gillybgoode As if!! This is the ramblings of some conspiracy theorist day dreamer...man. You could really see Hendrix, Clapton and Jones in a group together? Come on. Think of the ego's, the differences in musical taste and direction...and how exactly would this have had an impact on the stones? Explain please. Like Mick Jagger and Keith Richards could 'prevent' this from happening? What planet are you writing from?
cottageorgan 1 year ago
@cottageorgan If you go back and study a bit more, you will find that Hendrix, Jone and some other high profiled musicians were going to collaborate on a musical project. It's not my opinion, this is a fact. Clapton is an age old Blues man and Hendrix and jones were and did do some work together, the soneg is, "My little one". Ths is a rarre recording that does exist. The impact on the STones would no doubt be there if their projected went further, Think about it.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@gillybgoode "My Little One" may or may not have Brian Jones playing on it. Nobody seems to know for sure.
atticthoughts 1 year ago
@atticthoughts Well, if you know how Jones played and his groove, then you would hear that it's him...plus I am sure there are many avenues of research you can use find to support this. That's funny that you are so unsure about it being Brian playing on that record. IT's kinda a knowm fact. What more do you need?
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@gillybgoode If we talked about a guitar instead of a sitar I would most likely have heard if it was Brian or not. With My Little One it's very difficult to hear who's playing the sitar. It sounds nothing like the eastern motifs that Brian played on sitar or dulcimer and Eddie Kramer, who mixed the session, gives no credit to Brian on the song (according to the book Ultimate Experience by John McDermott and Eddie Kramer). Eddie says that the guy on the sitar was Dave Mason.
atticthoughts 1 year ago
That is the only fact I've found on the matter. The story that Brian played the sitar seem to be based on rumours. However, Hendrix old girl Kathy Etchingham claims that Brian brought his sitar to the All Along the Watchtower sessions but he ended up playing percussion on the track instead. My Little One was recorded in 67 and All Along the Watchtower in 1968. If Kathy has mixed up the dates and sessions it could very well be Brian playing the sitar on My Little One. But I don't think so
atticthoughts 1 year ago
@atticthoughts Why are you so sure that it was NOT Brian on Sitar in this song.
I am trying to think of any other musicians that were so well schooled in Sitar at the time. Who else could it be? : )
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@gillybgoode I believe Eddie Kramer. He has given Brian credit for the percussion on All Along the Watchtower and he has also given him credit for playing the piano on the same song, a take that wasn't used. So I'm sure he would give Brian credit for the sitar if it was him.
To be fair George Harrison was probably the only one that was schooled on the sitar among the famous musicians back then. Dave Mason was more or less like Brian musically. He also had the gift to play various instruments.
atticthoughts 1 year ago
@atticthoughts Yes, agreed that George Harrison was very schooled in Sitar.. I am not sure if I know enough thoroghly about the others tho.. I will check it out.
By looking back in rock history, Brian and Jimi Hendrix were close... my thinking is that it was most likely Brian on Sitar on that song, more then anyone else.. because of the timing and growing friendship between them, jmho.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@atticthoughts Very interestng point.. yes Dave Mason was involved with some music with Brian. Alto Brian Jones missed the boat on getting his credit towards much music that has been released. I believe it was Jones playing on this track.
As a musician myself... his groove and infulence seem like it's right there. So I guess this is one more thing for ppl to argue over regarding Brian Jones.
What a shame. I think had he lived.. his mark on music and production would have carved a deeper path
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@gillybgoode There are two problems with the Stones and the sessions at the Olympic Studios. 1: After the Jagger/Richards trademark (made up by Oldham) none of the other members would get any credit. Bill talks about in Stone Alone where he was called greedy by M&K when asked to get credit for parts that he wrote. I wonder who was greedy? :) 2: Nobody seems to have taken any notes on who played what at Olympic Studios. So we have to believe the memories of those involved and our own ears.
atticthoughts 1 year ago
@atticthoughts Sadly enough, I do agree with that.. it's a shame that, that happened. Bill's always seemed like a well grounded man.. at least that is my impression of him. It must take great strength to be so silent.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@atticthoughts Why don't you people get off the Jagger/Richards conspiracy trip. Bill said in his book that he wrote the riff for JJFlash, admitting he took Satisfaction(Richards riff) and played it sort of backwards. Melody,lyrics and arrangements are composition. Did any other Stone than Jagger/Richards do that, doubt it. Great contributions with out a doubt! Brian and Taylor too. Listen to Bill's solo records and I rest my case. Bill did get a credit, In Another Land, never again. Smart!
JoshSwartzberg 8 months ago
@JoshSwartzberg The albums says "Arranged by the Rolling Stones" so I guess they all were involved in that bit. Jagger and Richards wrote the majority songs. There's no doubt about that. But at times Bill and Brian would come up with melodies or riffs (such as Bill on JJF. Brian on Last Time) that they used but didn't got any credit for. I'm not saying that it happend a lot. Just that there are claims it did happend and not giving credit in those cases was wrong. Taylor has told a similar story
atticthoughts 8 months ago
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richievegas01 8 months ago
@atticthoughts Yeah, Mick T. co-wrote the sublime 'Moonlight Mile' and the hugely under-rated 'Sway' from 'Sticky Fingers', Keith is totally upfront about that, Mick doesn't get any credit though. He has a co-writing credit for 'Ventillator Blues' from 'Exile' and I think that's it.
richievegas01 8 months ago
Responder a este vídeo... Bill got credit, In another Land and in a smart executive decision, never again. His solo albums will also prove that his compositions were not the same as Jagger/Richards. Great bass player though.
JoshSwartzberg 8 months ago
@JoshSwartzberg The only reason that Bill was able to get In Another Land on a Stones album was because he recorded it with session musicians one night when the rest of the band didn't show up. He got a rare opportunity to show the glimmers a finished product that they would find difficult to reject. Lucky for Bill the glimmers even liked it enough to sing background vocals on it. It was the right album as well. But it's not a band effort and he never got the chance again.
atticthoughts 8 months ago
@atticthoughts Early pressings of 'Paint It, Black' were meant to be have been credited Nanker/Phelge, the group's joint writing credit, but it wasn't renewed and is now Jagger/Richards. Have to check back on where I read that. The contributions Bill, Brian and Charlie made to that song are absolutely essential to it.
richievegas01 8 months ago 2
@richievegas01 Yes, PIB is a good example of how important it was for Oldham to have the Jagger/Richards credit as a part of promoting the Rolling Stones. I don't think that it was the glimmers that decided the credis on that actually since everybody in the band, including the glimmers, seem to agree that it was a song that happend in the studio. If that is so NankerPhelge would have been a more fair choice.
atticthoughts 8 months ago
@atticthoughts Pardon the repetitveness. thought my comments weren't posting. If you dig the Stones though, then just dig them, so many comments about, Brian the best this or Taylor that or Jagger's a wanker this, Keith that. None are true except that they are one of the best bands for the longest time in history. For all their pitfalls, some shit songs and bad performances they always will be the greatest, when they're on their best, which incudes from the start 'till now.
JoshSwartzberg 8 months ago
@gillybgoode Who really knows any of this stuff apart from the people who were there? It's fun to speculate and wish about these kind of things but in the end do they really matter. We've got a shit load of great music from all these people over the years and I'm grateful to them for that. Is till can't see Clapton and Hendrix in the same group. The solo's would never end, it would be death by guitar!!
cottageorgan 1 year ago
@cottageorgan Since Brian Jones had the talent to play more the 30 different musical instruments, his talents go unmatched and with that combination of others as well as George Harrison who was a good friend of Brian's this would purpose a good amount of competition for the Stones. There were miles and miles of audio tape that Brian had recorded which goes beyond the time of 1969. Hence, much of his imput on songs released are no doubt Brian's work.
If you take the time to listen to it,.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@cottageorgan Then you would recognise it. So before you add your rudeness and ignorance, you would get it. So before you judge me, as what is historical FACT about Hendrix, Clapton and Jones... you can shut your mouth and get educated. There are always ego problems in a band. have you ever been in one? , what basis do you have to be so sure about this collaboration not ever happening. Jagger adn Ritchards would have had their work cut our for them, should this project had wings.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@cottageorgan And with the meetings between these musicians that did in fact occur. Evem the DOORS did a song about this.. look it up, it's on Youtube dude.
If you know the style of Brian's playing and song writing you can even easily identify his work on Exile on Main st. Yes, Brian was dead at that time, but those works on that record and beyone were no doubt Brians touch. And that is not the only record that had his work on it, except physical presence. LEt it Bleed is a good example.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@cottageorgan Ask Mick Taylor! He had to recreate the style of playing guitar to cop the groove of JOnes on Let it Bleed. There are countless other songs that can show you this. Jagger and Richards are no doubt burned into the annals of time with their work, but they would have had still competition should this super group ever did form into a concrete blend in the band that was supposed to form.
Do some research on this.. no conspiracy here.. just rock n roll fact. Man.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
I was a teen in the 60's and can distinctly remember how
they were treated. It was atrocious. I feel Mick and Keith did
not help matters at all. George Harrison once said all Brian
needed was a little love and understanding. And got none
from them, except maybe Bill. Today these 2 Stones still
diss BJ and only because he is not around. I have never
heard them diss Mick T or Bill. Gee I wonder why. BJ had
enough sense to finally leave his band and it was a very
wise decision.
GhostofBrianJones 2 years ago
the 60's were very much different than today. it was a time
when there was tremendous pressure on those who did
not conform to the standards of that era. The resources today
were not available as they are today for guys like Brian. He
more or less had to cope on his own and that was a very
horrible challenge. He was basically a good man, but the
problems imposed on him and the band, such as super hectic touring, corrupt promoters, managers, record companies, and etc. took their toll on them
GhostofBrianJones 2 years ago
@GhostofBrianJones YES! Definately. Alot of corruption and alot of dead ppl around Jagger. What a shame to lose Brian.. he was on the road to making a change for the better after he moved to Sussex... then since he owned the Name Rolling Stones... others saw and knew about the longevity of this band. ALot of $ at stake and greed and death followed.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
Jones realy should've stood his ground more.for God's sake...he started this band.Oh whell....he just didn't have the stamina....sad.On the other hand,Jagger&Richards were such brilliant songwriters,no one could've competed with them.
He should've relaxed more ,like Wyman,and appreciated what he got,but then,being such a charismatic performer,it was obviously hard, to see his position usurped
Showbuisiness is a nasty game.
PAULLONDEN 2 years ago
@PAULLONDEN Brian wasn't well mentally. He didn't have the strength to keep up against all the shit that hit him and the drugs only put him in more trouble. Jagger and Richards had, thanks to Oldham, the upper hand when it came to song writing and didn't really allow anyone to compete. No matter what the others may or may not have added to the songs the credit went straight to Jagger/Richards. They were amazing writers but pretty greedy - wich they accused the others to be if they wanted credit.
atticthoughts 2 years ago
Whereas I do agree with the your statement about standing his ground..it contradicts this to say he he should "relaxed..and appreciated what he got".We all know what he got'.Yes show business is a nasty game indeed
paisleybabee 2 years ago
@PAULLONDEN Yes, I agree. Brian was no doubt outnumbered and other forces took over. He was the richest one in the band, the most talented and the best looking. He tought Keith how to play or refine his blues technique. Brian had alot to lose and even his family members never recieved any $ from his estate. Bill wyman is under contract so tight you can float it on water. He will never talk about Brian. And I would lvoe to hear what he has to say.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@gillybgoode To be fair Wyman has actually been the nicest one in the Stones when talking about Brian. He gave Brian a lot of credit in his book Stone Alone and he has also given Brian the credit for starting the band and naming them.
Personally I would love to hear more from Charlie about Brian. Charlie has said that he got closer to Brian when he moved to Cotchford. I think that he has a lot of good stories.
atticthoughts 1 year ago
@atticthoughts Yes, Bill did show kindness to Brian. I know the book you are referring to. I don't think I've ever heard of Charlie say anything about Brian.. He seems like a quiet person.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
@gillybgoode He is and probably a little too loyal to Mick and Keith. But he has spoken about Brian in the 25x5 documentary and in the According to the Rolling Stones book.
atticthoughts 1 year ago
@atticthoughts Oh yes indeed, he is a bit more loyal to M&K.
I think Bill left the band at a good time and in a safe way.
He has spoken well of Brian and dedicated a nicepage to Brian in one of his books. At the time of Brians funeral at least Bill and Charlie showed up. Bill looked genuine.
I wonder where he was the night of Brian's passing. I have a replica of one of Brian's guitars. Infact, a few of them.. and I have been working on the music of Brian's years in this band. Awesome.
gillybgoode 1 year ago
Now if someone would only release the soundtrack!
paisleybabee 2 years ago
@paisleybabee It will most likely never happen. :( AFAIK there have been one or two attempts but legal issues have stopped them. The original mastertape is said to have been lost or destroyed. But Volker Schlöndorff has still got a copy of it . So hope isn't lost yet...
atticthoughts 2 years ago
Yeah maybe someday.. :)
paisleybabee 2 years ago
@atticthoughts Where did you hear someone made attempts to release the soundtrack. I heard Volker Schlondorff didn't now where the master print of the movie or the master tapes of the soundtrack are.
footlover400 1 year ago
@footlover400 It must have been 8-10 years ago or so and I can't remember where exactly. :( A german guy had heard the bootleg and decided to contact Volker in a serious attempt to release the soundtrack for real. Volker said that he had a copy somewhere and was positive to release it if the guy managed to get the rights to do so. But after some legal research he found out that it would have been too expensive.
atticthoughts 1 year ago
BRIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
petrovnablabasky 2 years ago
Great Brian Jones
deletethepussyofhism 2 years ago