J.B. Handley: Autism-Vaccine CNN Interview

[Breyer181]

Which "lies" are you talking about? McCarthy is president of GR. The monkey study was retracted by the journal. These facts are easily verified.

[m015094]

J.B. Handley: anecdotal evidence is not scientific proof of anything. If you went to medical school, you'd know that.

[Milwauken]

Wakefield's monkey study (4 min mark) was retracted by the journal Neurotoxicology, and has not been published since.

JB Handley has been very quiet lately. That's probably because the anti-vaccine movement has taken some big hits this year. Most news outlets are getting wise to Handley's fabrications, and more reporters are listening to real scientists instead of D-list Hollywood celebs.

[Milwauken]

The full name of Mr. Handley's organization is "Jenny McCarthy's Generation Rescue". 

[LookIntoHistory]

@Milwauken That's a complete lie and you know it you shill. What pharmaceutical company do you work for????

[haddasah4]

why does he say he believes there is a link between MMR and Autism (00:25 - 00:31) and that he is in support of the Wakefield study finding (02:05 - 02:19), but then go on to say that there are ONLY 2 of 36 vaccines have every been studied about their relationship to autism (proclaiming more research needs to be done) .... but that THOSE 2 STUDIED WERE THE MMR (3:04 - 3:16)?...

[haddasah4]

@haddasah4 I just don't follow how he changes his argument from, 'I support the Wakefield Study which makes a link between MMR to autism', to, 'actually its only the MMR that has even been studied (and disproved) BUT is given at 13 months in', to 'actually its the rest of them (34 other vaccines) that haven't been studied and cause autism'. It sounds like circular logic.

[MikLoTran]

JB repeating the same shit over, nothing new.

[deltaanic]

Oh that's okay JB. We'll just throw 10-20 million dollars away to research a topic which will just prove that you're wrong. Easy as that, right JB? 10-20million dollars?

Actually, if that's enough to shut you up. It's worth it.

[samdman1995]

What a fucking retard

[celtica1965]

So, the WSJ clearly comits a lie of omission in not disclosing the fact that Paul Offit, the "doctor" who submitted the editorial stating that its universally accepted that vaccines don't cause autism , actually owns a patent on a vaccine. Also, since Rupert's son is on the board of Directors for GSK, the WSJ should reccuse itself from the vaccine argument, instead of assisting big pharma by writing in shades of grey.

[murmur5555]

@celtica1965 Offit IS a doctor...

[celtica1965]

I'm sure people have seen the WSJ and the two articles they ran in the past 4 days that basically state that the case is closed and vaccines don't cause autism -- so move on. Interesting, for a few reasons: 1) the WSJ didn't point out that one of the editorial writers OWNS A PATENT on a vaccine -- big bucks there and 2) Rupert Murdoch, owner of the WSJ and the Times UK, has a son who sits on the board of directors of GlaxoSmithKline, huge vaccine manufacturer.

[UhOhhhhhhhhh]

Who are we going to believe, Dr. Wakefield or a pharmaceutical industry that has paid $9 billion to settle thousands of criminal and civil complaints since 2004?

[TheStann]

@UhOhhhhhhhhh Please, apply more poison to the well.

[madhillick]

Wow. So he doesn't accept that the study was fraudulent despite the fact that all of the co-authors removed their names from the study.

He actually expects us to test every vaccine to see if it causes autism. Why not check for every disease? He also wants someone else to carry out research on claims he is making with no evidence to back them up. Why not do a safety study on combining different types of food like corn flakes and orange juice?

The real clincher is that he wants "non-vaccine"...

[madhillick]

@madhillick cntd. groups to do a huge study on vaccines. Madness. The Danes also speak Danish to a much higher proportion than Americans. I think it's about time the US education system started to introduce mandatory Danish classes for all children in order to prevent autism.

[benp101]

Gee, JB doesn't sound like an irrational parent or ignorant vaccine hater. Actually makes some good points. Why hasn't a study been done comparing autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children? Or at least a primate study?

Clearly the case that vaccines are not connected to the rise in autism rates has not been made--we should all support better science. I was very surprised to hear that Denmark vaccinates with so many fewer vaccines than the US. What are their autism rates?

[12dogpal]

@SingaporeAutismDad this is a financed by pharma media blitz to stop people demanding vaccine studies and to find the proof that shooting your kids up with 36 vaccines is safe. It is not. Years ago, kids only got 12 vaccines, now it has tripled and so have autism, cancer, diabetes and auto-immune disease in children. Where is the proof that vaccines are safe and do not cause cancer? There are none.

[mjr256]

@12dogpal

Actually, no. No amount of money can actually alter reality itself. You can compare the original medical records of the 12 children to Wakefield's reports about them in his paper & see for yourself that they don't match. Of course, if you cared one iota about truth & evidence, you wouldn't still be blindly following a man we know for a fact was paid 3/4 of a million dollars by trial lawyers to discredit MMR & who would've made millions from his own rival vaccine had he done so.

[murmur5555]

@12dogpal Correlation does not mean causation. This is a basic science concept that must be understood.

[12dogpal]

This is nothing more that further attacks on spreading out vaccines, nothing more nothing less. To prove someone is a fraud you have to be ethical, and above reproach of being fraudulent yourself. This is not the case with the BMJ which accepts "sponsorships" as they call it, from pharmaceuticals who happen to make billions on vaccines. Who is committing fraud here?

[12dogpal]

Calling for studies to prove MMR vaccines are safe is not a money making plot. The money makers accusing those who want independent real studies of trying to profit from vaccines is ridiculous.

[mibrianc]

They need to just do the study. Bottomline is that autism is on the rise and we need to understand why that is - not to mention the increase in ADD/ADHD and Alztheimers, cancers, etc. Many Drs believe that these are all interrelated and are largely environmentally caused. We eat, drink and breath way too much crap compared to what humans used to AND our life exectancy is going down. Another environmental issue is all the garbage we are injecting into babies - way too many vaccines!

[murmur5555]

@mibrianc In the past, people were killed by the environment, including from bacteria and viruses. Vaccines provide the most robust increase in health, well-being and longevity of any historical medical intervention so far.

[branram]

@murmur5555 I'm sorry, how do you know vaccines are not a cause of autism? I'm not suggesting they are or they aren't, but you have no proof of your theory. What do we do have is the US administering 3x the vaccines to children over what major European countries administer and an autism rate to match. Anyone with half a brain can admit the correlation on this data and admit to the possibility of a link. What we do need are studies of these vaccinations as the guest suggests.

[mjr256]

@branram

How do you know witches or Communists are not a cause of autism? I'm not suggesting they are or aren't, but you have no proof of your theory. What we do have is an immunologic load that's dropped from 3000 components in the 7 vaccines used in 1980 to less than 200 in the 14 vaccines recommended today & the same rate of autism as everywhere else. Any1 w/ half a brain can admit the facts don't support the vaccine hypothesis. What we need is to stop wasting our efforts on absurdities

[murmur5555]

@branram You are infected with a mind virus. Get off the forums and seek out real information. Many doctors and scientists have reviewed all the necessary data. See: THE PANIC VIRUS, an inside look at the autism-vaccine debate | Seth Mnookin. See also: @oracknows on scienceblogs and other medical and science blogs. No one is going to want you for a job if you can't think logically.

[branram]

@murmur5555 Yea, I'm infected. Its not about saying "YES THIS CAUSES AUTISM" - its about saying "YES WE WILL DO MORE RESEARCH" - obviously more research isn't going to hurt anyone. I certainly don't think its prudent to NOT immunize children. However, we administer nearly 4x the number of vaccines that other first-world countries in Europe. We also administer 3x as many vaccines as we did in the early 80s. Along with that correlation, we have seen an explosion of autism in the US. Coincidence?

[murmur5555]

@branram mind virus

[branram]

@murmur5555 And really, this "mind virus" ranting is just ridiculous. It only serves to make you look foolish.

[murmur5555]

@branram Disinfect. Now. Save the Babies.

[branram]

@murmur5555 I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. You're ridiculous.

[murmur5555]

@branram True, true and unrelated. Greenfieldisms.

[branram]

@murmur5555 and by the way, I work in the medical field. There is no definitive answer to this question one way or the other. More 3rd party research is the key, ongoing research is the key. Blindly accepting answers given by pharma groups or even US government isn't the answer. Don't underestimate the ability of a company like Pfizer to buy a study result. I've worked on many research studies where there was a "highly desired" result which would have garnered an "incentive" -- don't be naive.

[murmur5555]

@branram maybe you need a new job?

[branram]

@murmur5555 I need a new job because I advocate being thorough? That is a bit absurd. There is absolutely nothing wrong with continued research into the longterm effects of any drug -- rather, it would be foolish to ignore or abstain from these continued studies. Newsflash: information is not going to hurt you, even if it points to the conclusions many, like yourself, believe to be true.

[murmur5555]

@branram Information is not free. Research costs time and money. The thoroughness is accomplished. In this case, it is not indicated. Money is better spent on vaccinating for HPV and researching malaria vaccine.

[branram]

@murmur5555 Perhaps there is a genetic component that interacts with the drug, perhaps its an environmental factor. Without further study, we'll never know. There are many who feel there is a connection between some of these vaccines and autism (as well as other ailments) - that doesn't make them ignorant. That said, I would advocate administering these vaccines still as their proven value far exceeds the unproven link to autism. But that in no way alleviates us from the need for further study.

[mjr256]

While Wakefield didn't directly implicate MMR in causing autism in his research, he absolutely did indirectly do so in the paper & has since made a whole career out of saying as much. And of course, as vaccine rates dropped on account of public fears stemming from his paper, he did nothing to calm the hysteria he had wrought. So to suggest his message has not been that vaccines, particularly MMR, cause autism is disingenuous at best.

[mjr256]

We've already done the epidemiological studies looking at vaccinated & unvaccinated populations. Autism is equally prevalent in both. And pdiericxd, if you can't even understand the most basic principles of vaccine science, maybe you should do a little research. I promise you, it's not complicated. Marie, as usual, Mr. Blaylock is lying. Follow the money, people. Wakefield is a paid fraud. Stop following him off the cliff.

[branram]

@mjr256 I've never seen any studies identifying vaccinated and unvaccinated children -- do you have a source?

[mjr256]

@branram

"I've never seen any studies identifying vaccinated and unvaccinated children -- do you have a source?"

Here you go. Enjoy:

"Thimerosal and the Occurrence of Autism: Negative Ecological Evidence from Danish Population-Based Data"

Pediatrics, Kreesten M. Madsen, MD (September 2003)

[amish657]

JUST DO THE STUDY..... VACCINATED vs UNVACCINATED.

[murmur5555]

@amish657 Unethical and unnecessary.

[pdiericxd]

@ManicParroT how exactly do unvaccinated kids put kids at risk? If the vaccinated kids are protected where's the risk??? can't follow the logic, sorry

[MoMunnay]

@pdiericxd I think kids who are vaccinated are less likely to get certain diseases when exposed to those who have them but they can still get sick. So the thinking is that if you have more unvaccinated kids you have more kids who are likely to get sick and expose others to those illnesses. Vaccination reduces, but doesn't eliminate, the odds of getting sick.

[MarieGFlowers]

Dr. Russell Blaylock, neurosurgeon, says pharmaceutical drug companies' patents on many drugs are about to expire. So they are looking for more revenue. They will be pushing for more and more vaccines.

[mjr256]

It's funny how you guys love to hurl insults but you just can't manage to present any verifiable facts to support your case. I'll happily admit that I'm no expert on the subject, but I'm quite clearly I'm far more informed than you.

[clsmall1989]

further more Autism, by definition, is not something that is contracted,it is present at birth, and therefore can not be caused bu a postnatal drug

[clsmall1989]

I can understand that parents of children with autism want an explanation that makes complete sense and is only natural. But, before you go on television and condemn a drug you need to understand the facts, the study was retracted because it was fraudulent and data had been skewed. Further studies done showed that there was no link between the MMR vaccine and autism, and no study done since the Wakefield study has produced results that link them.

[shesoneinamelia]

@clsmall1989 You obviously didn't listen to this youtube video and didn't read the study.

Wakefield says that he did not find a connection between MMR and Autism in the study.

It was retracted because he found that the MMR causes an inflammatory response which is very dangerous to a young developing brain.

[mjr256]

@shesoneinamelia

1st of all, as Wakefield is now forced to admit, his retracted paper was NOT a study. And the paper did indirectly implicate vaccines in autism & Wakefield has since made a career out of making that exact claim, so to say otherwise is simply dishonest. And you quite clearly don't understand why it was retracted at all. The Lancet was quite explicit in its retraction.

[mjr256]

And then of course there's the book Wakefield keeps pimping instead of making any attempt whatsoever to sue Brian Deer for libel. Which is odd since, if the case of Deer's being paid off is as airtight as you claims it is, one would think he'd jump at the opportunity to expose the truth in court and restore his, ahem, "good name." But of course the court of law requires evidence, so he can't do that.

[pwerplnblak]

in the "anti-vaxx crowd", w/ there whopping half a million $'s. The study also "supports the position that the U.S. pharmaceutical industry is marketing-driven and challenges the perception of a research-driven, life-saving, pharmaceutical industry" that values the lives of its patients, rather than their spending habits.

[pwerplnblak]

According to ScienceDaily, a "new study by two York University researchers estimates the U.S. pharmaceutical industry spends almost twice as much on promotion as it does on research and development." Despite pharmaceutical companies' claims that Americans pay such high prices for prescription medications because they're paying for research and development costs, the industry spent $33.5 billion on promotion costs in 2004."

Seems like if anyone is in it for the money, they would be silly to b

[pollyester44]

JB Handley I love you !!!! CNN I love you I can hardly believe I am watching this and no one is shouting him down....The interviewer is calmly asking intelligent questions and is allowing JB to ANSWER !!!! WOW!!! thankyou CNN

[morepuppies]

what money is there to follow in the "anti-vaxx crowd" exactly?

[mjr256]

Anti-vaxxers always say to "follow the money" but refuse to take their own advice.

[morepuppies]

JB speaks sense. No wonder they have to demonize "crazy autism parents". Pharma can't have people actually listening to these people!

[pryorka82]

Wow well CNN is going to get some hate mail from PHARMA over letting this guy on the show. You don't see the media letting honest people have a voice very often. Hopefully CNN realizes they risk losing advertising revenue from PHARMA by doing this.