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The great wall of China is NOT visible from space! Its length is impressive, but its width is smaller than most buildings. So it could be extending all the way around the earth, and would still not be more visible than a building.
It's an old myth, and you, of all, should know better by now, as it has been debunked again, and again, and again...and probably again :)
Marxist! OOh, AAh!! It's like this channel trains the minions to spout these labels arbitrarily. Just like Peter Joseph said. YOU WANT THE ASSOCIATION. No discussion, just dismissal.
When some primate tells me that what we propose is un scientific, it makes me want to fly off the fucking handle on you people.
As long as this monetary ism exists, our masters with the nuke launch codes will thrive. Stop being a bunch off individuated idiots.
@MattSyTy excuse me, your'e the one who pledged fellowship with marxists. all we are doing is judging you based on your own claims about yourself.
"When some primate tells me that what we propose is un scientific, it makes me want to fly off the fucking handle on you people."
Well this just proves that you are emotionally disturbed, which causes you to be arrogant and insecure. Actual scientists propose arguments based on researched reason and evidence
You people are so easily misled from the natural order of things. Imagine yourself a totally equal person at the beginning of the Neolithic revolution. What do you say when some conjuring, proclamationist starts taking more than others and inventing little games to offset scarcity and divide up the wealth? Do you accept this as natural? Do you believe it's human nature that creates this new inequality? I know, let's just accept this as normal and wait until 2012 when the uprisings start.
@MattSyTy using your logic here, it is natural to club some girl to make your wife, molest your kids, kill some of them for dinner and pray to some saber toothed tiger god. I'm more interested in the virtues of modern science and the ways people are better than animals. the more we deviate from cavemen is better in my opinion
@MattSyTy "...conjuring proclamationist starts taking more than others." By that, might you mean a Tribal Cheif? A King? A government? A capitalist? Who knows. But you do say he takes more than others. Unfair? What do you think? Then oddly, you say he invents games to "offset scarcity." Good thing? Then he divvies up the wealth (good thing?). Then you wonder about the "new inequality" achieved, apparently AFTER wealth is divvied up. Should someone think you are coherent? REALLY???
It's actually really too bad as a Stef-Hitch debate is something I would have liked to have seen. BTB Stef, I don't think that that whole Jesus altruist symbolism is a good thing, just provides more clandestine groundwork for socialism imo. And did you say, "Rational Christians?" LOL I'll let that one go brother. :)
I don't find it weird that people fear atheists, when most of them are dishonest in explaining their beliefs. A lot of them will say with all their might that they are atheist, while their actions clearly show that they are HUGE anti-theists. Not all, but some.. They simply prefer the label atheist and even deny that they are anti-theists because it rids them from being responsible for the aggressive bashing theists instead of actually having intellectual conversations.. So.. Yeah..
GOOD. I hope our sub rapist level group grows into something more intolerant than the religious zealots could ever imagine. Aligned with my Marxist ideological thinkers, we're going to punish the un-scientific negative retroaction anarchists with impunity. Every declaratory religion of un quantifiable self maximization shall be eliminated. That means the free market anarchists here too. You people are human scum incapable of seeing past yourselves.
@nurbSoldier It is at best a pseudo science... because WHY? "No claim on truth" isn't going to do it you Orthodox Sophist Minion. Let me elaborate the specifics once more for you then. Private Property is extremely wasteful and environmentally illogical. 7 billion people fighting each other for survival is unacceptable. Us, "psychos" are gaining ground faster by the day. You don't see Stefbot chapters all around the world because he offers no appeal or solutions. So who upholds what?
@MattSyTy "Private Property is extremely wasteful and environmentally illogical." Really? So you have statistics that show that governments pollute less than the private sector? I was under the impression that the Soviet Union was among the world's greatest polluters, along with Communist China, yes, before capitalist reforms.
In the USA, the biggest polluter is the pentagon.
How can you say that about private property? Even cavemen had it in various forms and toddlers even recognize it
@MattSyTy well those 7 billion people have to understand that they are not going to get rich, as least not sustain-ably by threats, mayhem and violence.
See, Marxism is a system based on cruelty, jealousy and violence. It doesn't even strive to punish those who oppress, like the classical liberals did, but punish those who accomplish. That's the moral foundation. Now that I see it this way, I can't expect it to be more beneficial to humanity than the mafia or lynch mobs.
@nurbSoldier What does the government have to do with pollution? Why must there always be a contour towards the government rather than the public? Every uneducated person irregardless of the systematic imposition contributes negatively in this free market abomination.
The way you automatically assume people have to "understand" this wealth violence game is so utterly naive. There's a revolt coming and there's nothing you or I can say that's going to change anything.
@MattSyTy What does the government have to do with pollution? Did you read a thing I wrote? I just told you that the governments of many nations are often terrible polluters and that the worst one in the united states is the pentagon. Communist nations have worse pollution records than capitalist ones. You can look this up.
You are simply ignoring arguments and evidence if you call pollution 'a free market abomination'.
@nurbSoldier Your "actual facts" are as unfounded and unverifiable as the Utopian Free Market system can be. Questioning my scientific merit of argumentation as an attack on my character, amuses me. I didn't address your government rant because it's fucking stupid, that's why. I don't give a damn what personal views you have about Marxism, mass murder or whatever. When it comes down to the actual argument, you're the one who's imposed an opinion, you're the problem.
@MattSyTy Are you fucking serious? Stalin alone killed 12 million directly, perhaps double more through starvation. Mao, millions more than Stalin. So did Pol Pot and probably Kim Jong Ill. wikipedia(.)org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
hawaii(.)edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
I mean, the knowledge of this is so widespread. Even most leftists these days are happy to disregard communism.
@MattSyTy Also, we are not utopians. We don't think we can make a perfect society. We don't come up with these demented micromanaged plans like your pals in North Korea.
@nurbSoldier Now you're getting way out of line. Your misunderstanding of how the monetary system generates war, poverty and authoritarian control is enslavement. You've decided to make egregious statements that have no constructive merit what so ever.
If you continue to avoid the central problem's of the monetary-market system I bring up, I will cut you off so as to free up more time for me to deconstruct the Sophist. Again, I don't give two shits about you're personal opinion or statistics.
@MattSyTy I never made any statements on how the monetary system generates war. please don't put words in my mouth.
Virtually every source says the same things on communism that I do. If you are going to pretend that communists did not murder, you are no better than holocaust deniers
@MattSyTy and your'e calling me naive? I'm not the one who is advocating for a mass murder system like communism. I am the one who is representing actual facts here.
@MattSyTy Government was responsible for shutting down the windmill industry which was growing quickly in the 20's, when it announced the impending Rural Electrification Program. Then government subsidized polluting power plants from coal to nuclear. People went to court to say these plants polluted streams...courts said essentially, "you can't sue the government, your stream is polluted, but you lose." Yes, this all happened, but it's the tip of an iceberg.
@MattSyTy Your problem is that in reality us people (if I may tentatively include myself) obviously see past ourselves individually, as our whole premise is predicated upon the value of the freedom of all the other individuals aside from just our individual selves.
@skidancin Your "freedoms" and everyone else's "freedoms" are an abomination to me. Just like your insufferable attempt at implicating me in a mind projection fallacy is. The freedom for the tyranny is the problem and everyone else's little vicarious fantasy world is irrelevant. The way you totally miss the point of SHARING in my Neolithic example doesn't surprise me. What people "think" is also no concern of mine. Most people are not me and that's a good thing.
@MattSyTy Clearly, as you've now plainly stated it, you truly dislike "freedoms" for humans. Plainly, as I take it but only guess in this case, I'm against "freedom for the tyranny" as you put it. Obviously, as you pointedly say, you are not concerned with what other people think, though you seem to favor sharing as I do. I don't know why you feel it's good that most people "aren't you (as if anyone could ever be anyone else)," but if you mean it's good they aren't like you, agreed
@skidancin You had better brace yourself for a rude awakening Locust 1 of 7 billion. Prepare yourself for the coming collapse and the eventual scientific reformation. I look forward to it, just like I look forward to seeing all the people with absolutely no relevant job skills becoming totally useless.
The next time you speak to me, don't make it some history lesson, character assassination, or sarcastic question mark word.
Build a proper argument against what I'm proposing and face up to me
@MattSyTy My proper response was based in quoting you making what appear to be indecipherable comments, and asking what you meant by various parts of those comments. As your post remains indecipherable and you've made no attempt to clear it up per my noted questions, I find it impossible to proceed. Sorry, just the facts.
@skidancin The reason my statements and general philosophy is "indecipherable" to you is because you support an outdated methodology of thinking. You're not capable of understanding the importance of scientific order at this moment in time. That's okay though, I will wait and be patient until the majority of human society understands. Then maybe I won't be so alone :)
Leftist who denounce Stalin are not off the hook. The violence began with Lenin and Trotsky. Some of the first concentration camps were built for the extermination of clergy.
The Great Wall of China is NOT visible from space, at least not without the aid of optical magnification, at which millions of man made things become visible. That is an old wives tale.
I have found that nearly all people I encounter cannot think rationally or consistently & therefore cannot have meaningful discussions at all, rendering non-superficial conversation comepletely impossible.
@Bengals636 The study is old news and there's a lot more like it. I don't see how it finishes any arguments other than the one where we need god to provide universal morals (which don't exist).
I am imagining the alien saying: Why do those people think they have a right to stop those other people from feeding themselves from the land, when they have enough to eat themselves?
Stef I completely agree with you about Christians Vs Marxists. I cannot abide these leftists trying to control the seed of truth via relativist idiocy. While religion has been kept at bay since the enlightenment it's been pseudo-intellectual insanity that has come forth to replace it, simply permeating a form of hyper-statism devoid of any consistent morality. At least religion tried to create a moral code. All Marxism endorses is the betterment of the collective - whatever the cost.
@GODH8ZZ But if it exists, he is still opposing him from the fires, and you should too. God is evil, nobody deserves an infinite time of torture. You are a sad human being...
"I object to post modern, secular, merely biological, determinist, soul less in a way materialism of the secular west"
yeah: I promote philosophy and rational thinking, but I do not have a problem with using rhetorical tricks like guilt by association, to sink a whole container of unrelated things.
I support atheism, but believe in a soul. I talk about reality all the time, but I hate materialism. I like principles, but I make an exception for 1%.99% of peoples choices can be explained,but 1%...
You said that Hitchens believed "the fight against radical theology is to be fought with bullets rather than through philosophy". That is, as Hitchens might have put it, non-true as opposed to untrue. Hitchens believed that we should kill the people who try to kill us, while peaceful religious people, radical or not, can be left alone to do their thing. That´s a pretty serious thing you´ve just claimed about Mr. Hitchens, and this video should be edited or removed if you have any integrity.
@magnusjsolberg Hitchens advocated war. War makes no distinctions in people; it is indiscriminate slaughter. Hitchens himself should have realized that he is not a god, able to discriminate "good Muslims" from "bad Muslims" and select only the bad ones for extermination in combat.
@deepfriedsammich I hope you understand how flawed your logic is. What you´re saying is like saying that Hitchens advocated winning the war on bad cooking with bullets, since war kills bad cooks and good cooks alike. It´s basically saying that anyone who supports any war, generally advocates killing all groups of people who might be affected by said war. It´s a stunningly stupid thing to say, and I hope both yourself and the uploader of this video understand you´re being dishonest.
@magnusjsolberg Hitchens has stood behind the U.S. wars of choice against "terrorism," not a defensive war against invasion or conquest by some foreign State. The only conceivably justifiable way to make war on "terrorism," is to kill only those who are in fact terrorists. Too bad such a project is fantasy. War, as a tool of "social transformation" whereby the vanquished are supposedly made better people is a sick idea founded on the equally sick premise that the ends justify the means.
Stefan, you say descent into death would be terrifying. Certainly death is sad. Illness and physical pain can be horrible, but how is death, itself, terrifying to an atheist?
Christopher Hitchens, while a Marxist-Leninist most of his life, died after having realized that capitalism is, in fact, the most revolutionary and democratic force on the planet.
"People fear atheists" doesn't sound unusual at all to me ... the "people" referred to actually have a huge list of things they fear, and atheists are merely one item on the list, which also very likely includes things like nocturnal burrowing/flying mammals and large words.
Hitchens was a Legend. A Fate only Bestowed upon the few and Fortunate. He Destroyed all the Religious Zealots he ever Debated and effortlessly uncovered their foolish and childish arguments. He exposed their Bigotry with ease. He fought Tirelessly for the Freedom of speech and Democracy. I just Wish he had smoked a little less and boozed a bit more moderately so that we could still enjoy his company. He was Truly a Superior amongst his Peers.
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There are pretty much only two questions you need to ask yourself in regards to whether or not something is "good" or "bad": does it violate the non-aggression principle and/or is the action/behavior unhealthy (in any way, shape or form)?
God raped a human intending that the child be killed to cancel the eternal punishment he gave to all humans after the human he created had eaten of the tree of knowledge. The best part of this drama is the Holy spirit, God's sperm, which is in all of us.
What the hell? There is nothing sexual about Atheism unless you for some reason prefer Atheist people. Anyway, what a funny concept. :D
I kind of feel sorry for Hitchens if he truly was an anti-theist; why would a man waste his time standing against an abstract figure that the people will worship anyway, that is the last attachment this institution of deities is going to take one down; namely the obsession to disprove the existence of gods.
Be a cool agnostic/atheist; just don't give a damn.
@TheStig000 To tackle (obsessive) religiosity, the god figure personifies the problems.
I was implying that the mental image that person possesses is much tougher adversary to resolve/dissolve than the attitudes that it spawns in his mind, mostly because it also represents the ego of that person. Considering that you would be speaking to the ego of a person when discussing his religion is what is bound to happen, I say it is not a fight worth going through.
@mart83648 Seriously, if you are not an atheist, then the fact is you cannot know who is and is not a prophet. The whole "God(s) works in mysterious ways" thing.
Which means, it seems to me, that you must use your (god(s) given) intellect to listen and learn from all teachers, and see for yourself what truth there is in ALL philosophy.
Yet that is the same for an atheist. All religions deal with human nature, all of them have lessons to teach, truths and lies or at least mistakes.
@MrStillmans I'll give you examples. First off, we own our own bodies, I think we all agree (kind of) with that. Okay, so, a person finds an empty part of a certain florest. Nobody owns that florest, so he cleans some space there, and build a house. He mixed his work to the natural enviroment. That's his property.
Atheist Marxists are as logically inconsistent as theist libertarians. "Do what I say, or else" which is the sole rationale for deity and for the State, isn't ethics; it cannot be universally applied, and isn't logically consistent. There is no ethical difference between the concept of deity and the concept of the State in this instance; they are both false mythology.
I was at first baffled by how many atheists were marxists/statists, but later realized that all they are doing is rejecting the concept of a divine supernatural deity and instead believe in a temporal supernatural deity. Marxism parallels with so many medieval religious cults, but takes on the veneer of science and reasoning(like statheists).
They reject traditional theology, but still have a strong compulsion to have a religion and thus become socialists/marxists.
@intercourseman69 There is a theory of human brain evolution that explains where the "need" for external authority comes from in the human mind. That hypothesis is explored in "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes.
This also may explain why achieving a voluntary society is truly a multi-generational effort...evolution is a slow process. And yes, that would mean that "voluntarists" are more evolved...ha ha.
all I know about Julian Jaynes is what I've heard from fringeelements, and from what I can infer is that the early mystics mistook their own hallucinations for reality. They didn't have this modern notion of "faith" that theists and statists have.
I agree that it will take multiple generations to move a sane world, but I think this is because we need to overcome a great deal of historical inertia left over from our primitive lack of knowledge of consciousness and unconsciousness.
I would also that "voluntarists" are not literally more evolved, just that they use the more evolved parts of their brains more-so than theists and statists. I pretty much agree with everything you just said though.
I agree with you in that, even if you disagreed with his atheism, you must admire him for his intellect and his willingness to argue vehemently for his beliefs.
About what you said around 9:05; there is a whole chapter in God is not Great about the effects of religion on children. Hitchens quotes parts of the sermons in the third chapter of Joyce's "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man", analyses them and shows how such sermons where explicitly designed to terrorize the minds of children. What more do you want?
@crazay1113 a believe system that allows or even mandates violence against peaceful people? but really it is like asking what makes muslims or christians bad. their believe systems is also used to justify violence, but in the end they are a diverse group of people.
@crazay1113 Anything that initiates violence is wrong. And the state in its very definition is the monopoly of the initiation of violence. And that makes the communists the worst of all statists, because they advocate the biggest totalitarian state. Just watch stefs video's how a society without violence can be run.
@crazay1113 The people who rule(d) countries dictatorially under the guise of communism without striving to the theoretical end goal of communism which is an anarchistic utopia. The theory of communism has never been worked out in practice to its fullest potential. Nevertheless I would rather trust a communist than a christian. The christian cult is the biggest mass murdering cult that ever was and still is. Stef really went off the rails here for me.
They may agree to that now, but they don't have complete power over the government. Would you trust that they would keep this mild form of christianity if they gained control of the state? I wouldn't. Same with communists. They're going to say now that they absolutely won't send people to gulags. Of course they'll say that. Both of these groups have killed people like me in the past though. Christians would come after me for being an atheist, communists would hunt me down for being an anarchist.
Stef. You're saying you prefer christians over communists, and go on talking about how many have died because of communism, but surely even more people have died because of christianity? I'm not very fond of either one of those categories. Christians have killed countless of disbelievers though. You said yourself once that you cannot accept people who worship a book that says that you should be killed. What has changed?
@Zerafinel The difference is that the mass murder committed by communists was not inconsistent with their philosophy while the mass murder committed by "Christians" was inconsistent with their philosophy.
@99percentatheist I don't think that is objectively true. But if you could convince me, prove it to me, I'd be happy to hear your arguments. Please. How is mass murder inconsistent with christianity? There are countless of examples of god demanding mass murder in the Bible.
@Zerafinel Mass murder is inconsistent with Christianity because of Jesus' teachings and life. He taught to love our enemies, to turn the other cheek, to pray for those who persecute us. Which is exactly what he did in his life. So the man who claims to be a follower of Jesus and commits mass murder is acting not because of his Christianity but in spite of it.In the past a sort of pseudo Christianity has been used as a means to control the masses and to justify war. Man is to blame.
@99percentatheist I do understand the difference between the NT and OT, it has always been striking to me. But it is undeniable that the deity in the OT committed mass murder and other atrocious acts. And this deity is supposedly Jesus's father. Jesus claims to be doing the will of his father. What is the moral character of a person who does the will of a mass murderer, and doesn't condemn said acts but supports them? This is not something that would normally be considered moral.
@Zerafinel I'm not saying he's real but for argument's sake: Let's say that the Christian God does exist. As God, creator of everything and giver of life, wouldn't he be in his right to take our lives if he pleased? I mean, according to Christian doctrine he does not only gives us life but sustains us alive without obligation. So it seems to me that if such a God existed, he would be within his right to take our lives, right?
@99percentatheist This fits with the comparison with the parents/family as well, as does most if not all christian doctrine. Like God, our parents created us and sustain us, without asking us if we wanted it or not. Would it be moral for a parent to take our lives or torment us or do as they please with us? I would say no. We did not ask to be born. It was their choice. It cannot be moral to create a creature with a nervous system and fear of death, and then torment it or kill it. That's sadism.
@Zerafinel The relationship between God and man is quite different than the one between parent and offspring. God is to be worshiped, a parent is not. God is the giver of all life, a parent is but a procreator. It would be immoral for a person to kill another, but not for God. In Christianity,God, as the giver of life (given by grace for the benefit of the creature) has the right to take anyone's life any time. This is a prerogative God has.
@99percentatheist When we talk about "God" we're really talking about our parents, the parallels are everywhere, but let's assume we're not. If I give you a gift you can't refuse and did not ask for, are you indebted to me? Babies can't take their own lives, may seem redundant but it's important. We can't refuse. And the torment - there is all kinds of it. Threatening with hellfire for simply saying the wrong words or making a picture (the commandments).
Oh but I come from that background too (left wing, anti-capitalist), yet here I am, an anti-statist. All this philosophy nonsense dragged me kicking and screaming over to the dark side of capitalism, or rather "free marketism" as I prefer to call it. It is possible, but I would not call it entirely easy. Sometimes I have relapses and scream at the bank owners and such, you know.
Whatever I can say about many of his views, Hitchens was a great debater, and he did express and channel, if you will, a lot of the anger and even rage you are bound to have inside if you're an atheist in a largely religious world. I can say I am grateful that he did take on those battles for atheism, i think it helped us all a lot. On the other hand, I am very, very critical of the Iraqi war and I do not agree with him on that at all. Good analysis.
@Textra another example would be a person selflessly taking care of socially useless sick or disabled people i.e. paralyzed or braindead. According to atheistic morality they should immediately stop acting that way and pursue their own interests. Let them die, feel no remorse. And if you do somehow feel remorse you should immediately chalk it up to wishful thinking of eternity and superstition. Reason prevails. Emotion disapears. Or somehow Nature has made us a slave to our fellow man needlessly
@Textra1 you knew you would die soon anyways and you could always commit suicide so there would be no real pain for you. Just the victim. You would rot end of story. But if there's God...
@Textra1 then this conversation has shown only that we have reached a point in human evolution in which we now can surmise that there is no real reason to be moral and we should only live what is socially advantageous and should not be truly loving or kind to anybody without a reason that doesn't benefit us in the end. If you knew you were going to die and a day before you decided to rape somebody because you've simply always wanted to. There would be no objective reason why you shouldn't.
yet there are dozens of tribes that have never known of a god figure, let alone the judeo/christian god. studying them, they seem very moral and experience human empathy probably even more so than the western world. i find no logic in holding on to ancient myths and rituals. with that said, it is an individual decision to believe in gods. i simply dislike being bombarded with witnesses when i pronounce my atheism.
"Christopher Hitchens... [form of?] atheism comes from socialism/communism." Big bag of WTF!?!?!? His atheism comes from logic and rational thought on religion, not because of a political standpoint.
The infancy study is fascinating. It really gives weight to the notion that morality need neither be subjective nor god given. It's an emergent quality which comes from the nature of our species. This is a great study to stick under the noses of smug religionists, or as I prefer to called them, cultists, that their false dichotomy of "Without god, morality is only subjective" is nonsense. But then, reasonable people already know this.
I'm afraid the Great Wall is not actually visible from space (it's no wider than a suburban road), so the only thing visible from space is your ego. :)
in my personal experience and from what I see on the internet is that atheists are overwhelmingly of a strong marxist, radical egalitarian flavor. They also tend to be ratfinkish (like libertarians to some degree). The men are either androgynous or effeminate and have very passive aggressive female-like power and the women tend to be... passive aggressive psycho bitches.
As an atheist, I think I would consider myself hateful towards atheists kind of like how Howard Stern is an anti-semite.
@intercourseman69 pretty much, there are those too who just bow down to feminists/women hoping to get laid. theresa guy on here called maoistrebelnews that shares the view that consenual sex with a man and woman is rape
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Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
tigersforchrist 2 weeks ago
really ??? Hitch his aversion for religion came from communism???
No it didn't...it came from one thing and one thing only...rational thought!
And I am sorry to break it to you..your attempt to put yourself in the same league as Hitch is pitiful.
And rambling on, using words that are completely out of context, just on the merit they have more then four syllables is just sad...
gh778jk 1 month ago
SUCH A RAMBLEIST JABBER JAW....BLA ....BLA....BLA
OH PLEASE ! !
ALL THAT "BULLSHIT" COULD BE CONDENSED INTO A FEW SMALL PARAGRAPHS.
"STEPH" THINKS HIS LONG DRAW OUT SPEAKING MAKES HIM SOME KIND OF "GREAT INTELLECTUAL...
DEFINITELY NOT SOMEONE I COULD LISTEN TO FOR ANY GREAT LENGTH OF TIME....
nonassumsit 2 months ago
The great wall of China is NOT visible from space! Its length is impressive, but its width is smaller than most buildings. So it could be extending all the way around the earth, and would still not be more visible than a building.
It's an old myth, and you, of all, should know better by now, as it has been debunked again, and again, and again...and probably again :)
HKragh 2 months ago
@HKragh Oh...and I see you have already been corrected several times, and someone even claim you have corrected this in later times. Sorry.
HKragh 2 months ago
Terrible that you never got to have a debate with Hitchens on statism
DeathTax101 2 months ago
the great wall of china is NOT visible from space. Look into it!
badseed86 2 months ago
@badseed86 he corrected himself at some point
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
Marxist! OOh, AAh!! It's like this channel trains the minions to spout these labels arbitrarily. Just like Peter Joseph said. YOU WANT THE ASSOCIATION. No discussion, just dismissal.
When some primate tells me that what we propose is un scientific, it makes me want to fly off the fucking handle on you people.
As long as this monetary ism exists, our masters with the nuke launch codes will thrive. Stop being a bunch off individuated idiots.
MattSyTy 2 months ago
@MattSyTy excuse me, your'e the one who pledged fellowship with marxists. all we are doing is judging you based on your own claims about yourself.
"When some primate tells me that what we propose is un scientific, it makes me want to fly off the fucking handle on you people."
Well this just proves that you are emotionally disturbed, which causes you to be arrogant and insecure. Actual scientists propose arguments based on researched reason and evidence
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
You people are so easily misled from the natural order of things. Imagine yourself a totally equal person at the beginning of the Neolithic revolution. What do you say when some conjuring, proclamationist starts taking more than others and inventing little games to offset scarcity and divide up the wealth? Do you accept this as natural? Do you believe it's human nature that creates this new inequality? I know, let's just accept this as normal and wait until 2012 when the uprisings start.
MattSyTy 2 months ago
@MattSyTy using your logic here, it is natural to club some girl to make your wife, molest your kids, kill some of them for dinner and pray to some saber toothed tiger god. I'm more interested in the virtues of modern science and the ways people are better than animals. the more we deviate from cavemen is better in my opinion
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@MattSyTy "...conjuring proclamationist starts taking more than others." By that, might you mean a Tribal Cheif? A King? A government? A capitalist? Who knows. But you do say he takes more than others. Unfair? What do you think? Then oddly, you say he invents games to "offset scarcity." Good thing? Then he divvies up the wealth (good thing?). Then you wonder about the "new inequality" achieved, apparently AFTER wealth is divvied up. Should someone think you are coherent? REALLY???
skidancin 1 month ago
It's actually really too bad as a Stef-Hitch debate is something I would have liked to have seen. BTB Stef, I don't think that that whole Jesus altruist symbolism is a good thing, just provides more clandestine groundwork for socialism imo. And did you say, "Rational Christians?" LOL I'll let that one go brother. :)
physicalgenius 2 months ago
I don't find it weird that people fear atheists, when most of them are dishonest in explaining their beliefs. A lot of them will say with all their might that they are atheist, while their actions clearly show that they are HUGE anti-theists. Not all, but some.. They simply prefer the label atheist and even deny that they are anti-theists because it rids them from being responsible for the aggressive bashing theists instead of actually having intellectual conversations.. So.. Yeah..
Antilli 2 months ago
So is this guy a republican?
QCREIGN 2 months ago
@QCREIGN good Lord no
stefbot 2 months ago 12
"People fear Atheists as a group"
GOOD. I hope our sub rapist level group grows into something more intolerant than the religious zealots could ever imagine. Aligned with my Marxist ideological thinkers, we're going to punish the un-scientific negative retroaction anarchists with impunity. Every declaratory religion of un quantifiable self maximization shall be eliminated. That means the free market anarchists here too. You people are human scum incapable of seeing past yourselves.
MattSyTy 2 months ago
@MattSyTy 1. Marxism is just another religion, because it is not actually founded on anything scientific or rational. It is at best a pseudo science.
2. Because of this, it has no claim on truth.
3. the horrors of the 20th century are a testament to what happens when marxism is allowed
4. you people are outnumbered and don't stand a chance. I hope you psychos do try some shit, so that you will discredit your religion further
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@nurbSoldier It is at best a pseudo science... because WHY? "No claim on truth" isn't going to do it you Orthodox Sophist Minion. Let me elaborate the specifics once more for you then. Private Property is extremely wasteful and environmentally illogical. 7 billion people fighting each other for survival is unacceptable. Us, "psychos" are gaining ground faster by the day. You don't see Stefbot chapters all around the world because he offers no appeal or solutions. So who upholds what?
MattSyTy 2 months ago
@MattSyTy "Private Property is extremely wasteful and environmentally illogical." Really? So you have statistics that show that governments pollute less than the private sector? I was under the impression that the Soviet Union was among the world's greatest polluters, along with Communist China, yes, before capitalist reforms.
In the USA, the biggest polluter is the pentagon.
How can you say that about private property? Even cavemen had it in various forms and toddlers even recognize it
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@MattSyTy well those 7 billion people have to understand that they are not going to get rich, as least not sustain-ably by threats, mayhem and violence.
See, Marxism is a system based on cruelty, jealousy and violence. It doesn't even strive to punish those who oppress, like the classical liberals did, but punish those who accomplish. That's the moral foundation. Now that I see it this way, I can't expect it to be more beneficial to humanity than the mafia or lynch mobs.
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@nurbSoldier What does the government have to do with pollution? Why must there always be a contour towards the government rather than the public? Every uneducated person irregardless of the systematic imposition contributes negatively in this free market abomination.
The way you automatically assume people have to "understand" this wealth violence game is so utterly naive. There's a revolt coming and there's nothing you or I can say that's going to change anything.
MattSyTy 2 months ago
@MattSyTy What does the government have to do with pollution? Did you read a thing I wrote? I just told you that the governments of many nations are often terrible polluters and that the worst one in the united states is the pentagon. Communist nations have worse pollution records than capitalist ones. You can look this up.
You are simply ignoring arguments and evidence if you call pollution 'a free market abomination'.
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@nurbSoldier Your "actual facts" are as unfounded and unverifiable as the Utopian Free Market system can be. Questioning my scientific merit of argumentation as an attack on my character, amuses me. I didn't address your government rant because it's fucking stupid, that's why. I don't give a damn what personal views you have about Marxism, mass murder or whatever. When it comes down to the actual argument, you're the one who's imposed an opinion, you're the problem.
MattSyTy 2 months ago
@MattSyTy Are you fucking serious? Stalin alone killed 12 million directly, perhaps double more through starvation. Mao, millions more than Stalin. So did Pol Pot and probably Kim Jong Ill. wikipedia(.)org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
hawaii(.)edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
I mean, the knowledge of this is so widespread. Even most leftists these days are happy to disregard communism.
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@MattSyTy Also, we are not utopians. We don't think we can make a perfect society. We don't come up with these demented micromanaged plans like your pals in North Korea.
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@nurbSoldier Now you're getting way out of line. Your misunderstanding of how the monetary system generates war, poverty and authoritarian control is enslavement. You've decided to make egregious statements that have no constructive merit what so ever.
If you continue to avoid the central problem's of the monetary-market system I bring up, I will cut you off so as to free up more time for me to deconstruct the Sophist. Again, I don't give two shits about you're personal opinion or statistics.
MattSyTy 2 months ago
@MattSyTy I never made any statements on how the monetary system generates war. please don't put words in my mouth.
Virtually every source says the same things on communism that I do. If you are going to pretend that communists did not murder, you are no better than holocaust deniers
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@MattSyTy and your'e calling me naive? I'm not the one who is advocating for a mass murder system like communism. I am the one who is representing actual facts here.
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@MattSyTy Government was responsible for shutting down the windmill industry which was growing quickly in the 20's, when it announced the impending Rural Electrification Program. Then government subsidized polluting power plants from coal to nuclear. People went to court to say these plants polluted streams...courts said essentially, "you can't sue the government, your stream is polluted, but you lose." Yes, this all happened, but it's the tip of an iceberg.
skidancin 1 month ago
@MattSyTy Your problem is that in reality us people (if I may tentatively include myself) obviously see past ourselves individually, as our whole premise is predicated upon the value of the freedom of all the other individuals aside from just our individual selves.
skidancin 1 month ago
@skidancin Your "freedoms" and everyone else's "freedoms" are an abomination to me. Just like your insufferable attempt at implicating me in a mind projection fallacy is. The freedom for the tyranny is the problem and everyone else's little vicarious fantasy world is irrelevant. The way you totally miss the point of SHARING in my Neolithic example doesn't surprise me. What people "think" is also no concern of mine. Most people are not me and that's a good thing.
MattSyTy 1 month ago
@MattSyTy Clearly, as you've now plainly stated it, you truly dislike "freedoms" for humans. Plainly, as I take it but only guess in this case, I'm against "freedom for the tyranny" as you put it. Obviously, as you pointedly say, you are not concerned with what other people think, though you seem to favor sharing as I do. I don't know why you feel it's good that most people "aren't you (as if anyone could ever be anyone else)," but if you mean it's good they aren't like you, agreed
skidancin 1 month ago
@skidancin You had better brace yourself for a rude awakening Locust 1 of 7 billion. Prepare yourself for the coming collapse and the eventual scientific reformation. I look forward to it, just like I look forward to seeing all the people with absolutely no relevant job skills becoming totally useless.
The next time you speak to me, don't make it some history lesson, character assassination, or sarcastic question mark word.
Build a proper argument against what I'm proposing and face up to me
MattSyTy 1 month ago
@MattSyTy My proper response was based in quoting you making what appear to be indecipherable comments, and asking what you meant by various parts of those comments. As your post remains indecipherable and you've made no attempt to clear it up per my noted questions, I find it impossible to proceed. Sorry, just the facts.
skidancin 1 month ago
@skidancin The reason my statements and general philosophy is "indecipherable" to you is because you support an outdated methodology of thinking. You're not capable of understanding the importance of scientific order at this moment in time. That's okay though, I will wait and be patient until the majority of human society understands. Then maybe I won't be so alone :)
MattSyTy 1 month ago
@olmoscd lol ssssssshhhhhh that's the secret. Most of these people fighting on YouTube are dumb enough to believe it.
Bengals636 2 months ago
atheist go to hell you devil. christian jews and atheist go to the pit of fire
AidanVaroloWhite7 2 months ago
Leftist who denounce Stalin are not off the hook. The violence began with Lenin and Trotsky. Some of the first concentration camps were built for the extermination of clergy.
RomansBookReport 2 months ago
Reading Christopher Hitchens book on The Rights of Man (Thomas Paine).
BTW, you can't see the GWoC from space - its too thin... CH also visited DPRK and has commented on it.
CO2TROL 2 months ago
Hehe... "The *big ball of crazy* that we are all fed"
CO2TROL 2 months ago
I didn't know these things about his parents... very sad.
CO2TROL 2 months ago
The Great Wall of China is NOT visible from space, at least not without the aid of optical magnification, at which millions of man made things become visible. That is an old wives tale.
tml4873 2 months ago
Stef, can you please post a video on exactly WHY communism/socialism/Marxism is so dangerous.
Thanks.
QuantumGh0st 2 months ago
I have found that nearly all people I encounter cannot think rationally or consistently & therefore cannot have meaningful discussions at all, rendering non-superficial conversation comepletely impossible.
rockstarofredondo 2 months ago 17
@rockstarofredondo I agree 100%
jedipauly 2 months ago
@rockstarofredondo So true.
bushpigification 2 months ago
BABY MORALITY! All arguments = finished.
Bengals636 2 months ago
@Bengals636 The study is old news and there's a lot more like it. I don't see how it finishes any arguments other than the one where we need god to provide universal morals (which don't exist).
olmoscd 2 months ago
I am imagining the alien saying: Why do those people think they have a right to stop those other people from feeding themselves from the land, when they have enough to eat themselves?
MetaReaLizard 2 months ago
Its ok. He'll be re-incarnated.
ManNorthern 2 months ago
"The postmodern secularists and humanists who have become rank relativists
usually washing away resistance to any escalation of state power while facilitating
building the tower of Babel to the burning sun of infinite statism."
styzoom 2 months ago
Stef I completely agree with you about Christians Vs Marxists. I cannot abide these leftists trying to control the seed of truth via relativist idiocy. While religion has been kept at bay since the enlightenment it's been pseudo-intellectual insanity that has come forth to replace it, simply permeating a form of hyper-statism devoid of any consistent morality. At least religion tried to create a moral code. All Marxism endorses is the betterment of the collective - whatever the cost.
RockingMrE 2 months ago
Hitchens is in Hell. he knows God exists now.
GODH8ZZ 2 months ago
@GODH8ZZ But if it exists, he is still opposing him from the fires, and you should too. God is evil, nobody deserves an infinite time of torture. You are a sad human being...
HKragh 2 months ago
Anyone else notice the Philip Defranco-esque edits creeping into Stef's videos?
Example 21:27
Just sayin' ... it's a slippery slope ....
;)
theawecabinet 2 months ago
Hitchens never held my intrest. So theres no god and religion is a scam, really? Thats your claim to fame?
I consider that basic stuff you should have figured out as a kid; are we still kicking that dead horse?
Equity213 2 months ago
"I object to post modern, secular, merely biological, determinist, soul less in a way materialism of the secular west"
yeah: I promote philosophy and rational thinking, but I do not have a problem with using rhetorical tricks like guilt by association, to sink a whole container of unrelated things.
I support atheism, but believe in a soul. I talk about reality all the time, but I hate materialism. I like principles, but I make an exception for 1%.99% of peoples choices can be explained,but 1%...
modelmark 2 months ago
hitchens was a zionist neo con piece of shit.
MrDavidDux 2 months ago
Religion : The original date rape!. Thank you!!!
j0nw 2 months ago 9
RIP Chris Hitchens. May God mercy on his soul.
aWinkler2010 2 months ago
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Stanhope on "why do atheists have better moral than a religions person":
youtube.com/watch?v=THDamlNsuuA
youtube.com/watch?v=brCnq5VUBDk
youtube.com/watch?v=mVTESXkUlVY
youtube.com/watch?v=uS5DaTIF1a0
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SopraTutt1 2 months ago
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SopraTutt1 2 months ago
"I think the best way to escape a bad ideology is to commit to it fully."
That is brilliant.
PurpleHoneyBear 2 months ago
You said that Hitchens believed "the fight against radical theology is to be fought with bullets rather than through philosophy". That is, as Hitchens might have put it, non-true as opposed to untrue. Hitchens believed that we should kill the people who try to kill us, while peaceful religious people, radical or not, can be left alone to do their thing. That´s a pretty serious thing you´ve just claimed about Mr. Hitchens, and this video should be edited or removed if you have any integrity.
magnusjsolberg 2 months ago
@magnusjsolberg Hitchens advocated war. War makes no distinctions in people; it is indiscriminate slaughter. Hitchens himself should have realized that he is not a god, able to discriminate "good Muslims" from "bad Muslims" and select only the bad ones for extermination in combat.
deepfriedsammich 2 months ago
@deepfriedsammich I hope you understand how flawed your logic is. What you´re saying is like saying that Hitchens advocated winning the war on bad cooking with bullets, since war kills bad cooks and good cooks alike. It´s basically saying that anyone who supports any war, generally advocates killing all groups of people who might be affected by said war. It´s a stunningly stupid thing to say, and I hope both yourself and the uploader of this video understand you´re being dishonest.
magnusjsolberg 2 months ago
@magnusjsolberg Hitchens has stood behind the U.S. wars of choice against "terrorism," not a defensive war against invasion or conquest by some foreign State. The only conceivably justifiable way to make war on "terrorism," is to kill only those who are in fact terrorists. Too bad such a project is fantasy. War, as a tool of "social transformation" whereby the vanquished are supposedly made better people is a sick idea founded on the equally sick premise that the ends justify the means.
deepfriedsammich 2 months ago
So Hithcens din't change his political views on anything before he died?
...
I find that quite remarkable and don't recognize the picture of him drawn here.
TheNorwegianSkeptic 2 months ago
Mr. Paradox fortune cookie dude
alistairproductions 2 months ago
Gotta admit, I'm still a fan. KUTGW Stefan. Hitch was one of the great characters of debate, no matter how you slice it.
smacksim 2 months ago
Aren't all gods atheists?
SuperAtheist 2 months ago
@SuperAtheist
well they certainly are not human, lol
SlingSalsa 2 months ago
God raped mary. I'll have to remember that one. I'm suprised Brett Keane hasn't used that one.
CrazyCyclingVlogger 2 months ago
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Stefan, you say descent into death would be terrifying. Certainly death is sad. Illness and physical pain can be horrible, but how is death, itself, terrifying to an atheist?
snowcrash395 2 months ago
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snowcrash395 2 months ago
Hitchens would have lived at least 20 more years if he didnt chain-smoke, damn shame
DeathTax101 2 months ago
@DeathTax101 hitchens wouldnt be hitchens if he didnt chain-smoke
baalshin 2 months ago
Christopher Hitchens, while a Marxist-Leninist most of his life, died after having realized that capitalism is, in fact, the most revolutionary and democratic force on the planet.
RIP, Christopher. You will be missed.
HaroldRehling 2 months ago
Great wall of China visible in space - THIS IS A MYTH. Go to Wikipedia for some basic reading on this topic.
OhManTFE 2 months ago
Atheism lost one of its strongest warriors. :(
OhManTFE 2 months ago
"People fear atheists" doesn't sound unusual at all to me ... the "people" referred to actually have a huge list of things they fear, and atheists are merely one item on the list, which also very likely includes things like nocturnal burrowing/flying mammals and large words.
mattsamudio 2 months ago
Hitchens was a Legend. A Fate only Bestowed upon the few and Fortunate. He Destroyed all the Religious Zealots he ever Debated and effortlessly uncovered their foolish and childish arguments. He exposed their Bigotry with ease. He fought Tirelessly for the Freedom of speech and Democracy. I just Wish he had smoked a little less and boozed a bit more moderately so that we could still enjoy his company. He was Truly a Superior amongst his Peers.
Gonzokid2 2 months ago
16:45
Then why read Socrates, Aristotle, or Plato?
AkivaII 2 months ago
:( it's not fuckn on,it juz fuckn aint right,got it,fuckn get it,right..got it !!! this is not a time for laughter...Do you fickn get it! STOP that shit.I believe in gods or a god,depends on what emotional shit i am goin through,same as you,so get over it.The guy stood,he STOOD do you get it ? Fuckn maggots.wherer were YOU ? Where was youuuuuu.where fuckn was you ? Cunts.I'll fuckn shit on your shoes.
PurelyTruly 2 months ago
@PurelyTruly
What are you talking about?
AkivaII 2 months ago
@AkivaII you wont ever know
PurelyTruly 2 months ago
@PurelyTruly
Why is that?
AkivaII 2 months ago
you are such a communist
blaiko 2 months ago
you mean through the eyes of you
blaiko 2 months ago
an athiest that believes in a soul! lol
snarfeater 2 months ago in playlist More videos from stefbot
There are pretty much only two questions you need to ask yourself in regards to whether or not something is "good" or "bad": does it violate the non-aggression principle and/or is the action/behavior unhealthy (in any way, shape or form)?
AnarchistAsh 2 months ago
God raped a human intending that the child be killed to cancel the eternal punishment he gave to all humans after the human he created had eaten of the tree of knowledge. The best part of this drama is the Holy spirit, God's sperm, which is in all of us.
Enleuk 2 months ago
16:10, 16:39 - Stef looks for atheism with souls, weird :/
saldownik 2 months ago
@saldownik The word soul can mean many things.
TheStig000 2 months ago
the "atheists as distrusted as rapists"-study mentioned is doi:10.1037/a0025882 btw
funkycoder1 2 months ago
I know one more imaginary thing Stef... Ownership!
saldownik 2 months ago
@saldownik Do you own your body?
TheStig000 2 months ago
Reminds me how The Amazing Atheist went from being a self-professed "libertarian" to a Left Liberal.
sharperguy 2 months ago
@sharperguy That's when I unsubscribed. When he started praising Obama of all people. Sometimes I wonder if he still thinks Obama is a great guy lol.
TheStig000 2 months ago
Yeah, I think you lost every Christian watch when you mentioned Marry being raped...
MrFreeCookie 2 months ago
What the hell? There is nothing sexual about Atheism unless you for some reason prefer Atheist people. Anyway, what a funny concept. :D
I kind of feel sorry for Hitchens if he truly was an anti-theist; why would a man waste his time standing against an abstract figure that the people will worship anyway, that is the last attachment this institution of deities is going to take one down; namely the obsession to disprove the existence of gods.
Be a cool agnostic/atheist; just don't give a damn.
fingrid 2 months ago
@fingrid He wasn't anti-god he was anti-theist. There's a big difference.
TheStig000 2 months ago
@TheStig000 To tackle (obsessive) religiosity, the god figure personifies the problems.
I was implying that the mental image that person possesses is much tougher adversary to resolve/dissolve than the attitudes that it spawns in his mind, mostly because it also represents the ego of that person. Considering that you would be speaking to the ego of a person when discussing his religion is what is bound to happen, I say it is not a fight worth going through.
/watch?v=-j8ZMMuu7MU
fingrid 2 months ago
@fingrid
I share this view. No point to disprove anything, just go your own way. Why spend your time and energy trying to disprove something.
jeromeeusebius 2 months ago
"Marxism is the opiate of the intellectual."
ha ha ha...perfect
YJohannM 2 months ago 21
@YJohannM I'm saving that one :)
defeatedcreek1 2 months ago
Although I'm not an atheist, I do wonder if the true prophets of our age are atheist? Is that possible?
mart83648 2 months ago
@mart83648 Seriously, if you are not an atheist, then the fact is you cannot know who is and is not a prophet. The whole "God(s) works in mysterious ways" thing.
Which means, it seems to me, that you must use your (god(s) given) intellect to listen and learn from all teachers, and see for yourself what truth there is in ALL philosophy.
Yet that is the same for an atheist. All religions deal with human nature, all of them have lessons to teach, truths and lies or at least mistakes.
CurtHowland 2 months ago
scary study on atheism
WorthlessCurrency 2 months ago
Happy Sun-rebirth to you too! =)
In peace and <3!
Avatarclone 2 months ago
Question: How do we morally determine who owns what property?
MrStillmans 2 months ago
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@MrStillmans "How do we morally determine who owns what property?"
I own myself, and anything I can acquire without coercion. That is, while respecting the equal rights of others.
That wasn't all that difficult. Next question?
CurtHowland 2 months ago 2
@MrStillmans I'll give you examples. First off, we own our own bodies, I think we all agree (kind of) with that. Okay, so, a person finds an empty part of a certain florest. Nobody owns that florest, so he cleans some space there, and build a house. He mixed his work to the natural enviroment. That's his property.
TheMichelWay 2 months ago
politicians do more raping than rapists
HigherPlanes 2 months ago 19
@HigherPlanes
and all sorts of other atrocities as well, rape, like with anyother gang, is just an initiation rite
SlingSalsa 2 months ago
Atheist Marxists are as logically inconsistent as theist libertarians. "Do what I say, or else" which is the sole rationale for deity and for the State, isn't ethics; it cannot be universally applied, and isn't logically consistent. There is no ethical difference between the concept of deity and the concept of the State in this instance; they are both false mythology.
YJohannM 2 months ago
@YJohannM
I was at first baffled by how many atheists were marxists/statists, but later realized that all they are doing is rejecting the concept of a divine supernatural deity and instead believe in a temporal supernatural deity. Marxism parallels with so many medieval religious cults, but takes on the veneer of science and reasoning(like statheists).
They reject traditional theology, but still have a strong compulsion to have a religion and thus become socialists/marxists.
intercourseman69 2 months ago
@intercourseman69 There is a theory of human brain evolution that explains where the "need" for external authority comes from in the human mind. That hypothesis is explored in "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes.
This also may explain why achieving a voluntary society is truly a multi-generational effort...evolution is a slow process. And yes, that would mean that "voluntarists" are more evolved...ha ha.
YJohannM 2 months ago
@YJohannM
all I know about Julian Jaynes is what I've heard from fringeelements, and from what I can infer is that the early mystics mistook their own hallucinations for reality. They didn't have this modern notion of "faith" that theists and statists have.
I agree that it will take multiple generations to move a sane world, but I think this is because we need to overcome a great deal of historical inertia left over from our primitive lack of knowledge of consciousness and unconsciousness.
intercourseman69 2 months ago
@intercourseman69
I would also that "voluntarists" are not literally more evolved, just that they use the more evolved parts of their brains more-so than theists and statists. I pretty much agree with everything you just said though.
intercourseman69 2 months ago
Stef is again at war with determinists
marketanarchist2011 2 months ago
I agree with you in that, even if you disagreed with his atheism, you must admire him for his intellect and his willingness to argue vehemently for his beliefs.
xander7ful 2 months ago
About what you said around 9:05; there is a whole chapter in God is not Great about the effects of religion on children. Hitchens quotes parts of the sermons in the third chapter of Joyce's "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man", analyses them and shows how such sermons where explicitly designed to terrorize the minds of children. What more do you want?
Ordysz 2 months ago 2
I would love a link to the study about moral babies.
nass1 2 months ago
Stef you hit the nail on the head about Hitchens...
I found my self agreeing with him about religion almost completely but vehemently disagreed about his view on the iraq war!
Nonetheless I will miss his debating & elocution, he was a great man by any stretch.
Unh0lymystic 2 months ago
The Great Wall of China is not visible from space... That's a myth.
iagopseleme 2 months ago 2
@stefbot 6:14 sounds like you're narrating what could be a great satire film
Chriznak 2 months ago
thanks hitch
coopmuch56 2 months ago
Can I get a good answer to this question?
What makes communists "bad?"
crazay1113 2 months ago
@crazay1113 a believe system that allows or even mandates violence against peaceful people? but really it is like asking what makes muslims or christians bad. their believe systems is also used to justify violence, but in the end they are a diverse group of people.
peace ;)
dasdeck 2 months ago
@crazay1113 Anything that initiates violence is wrong. And the state in its very definition is the monopoly of the initiation of violence. And that makes the communists the worst of all statists, because they advocate the biggest totalitarian state. Just watch stefs video's how a society without violence can be run.
MeneerVerspiller 2 months ago
@crazay1113 The people who rule(d) countries dictatorially under the guise of communism without striving to the theoretical end goal of communism which is an anarchistic utopia. The theory of communism has never been worked out in practice to its fullest potential. Nevertheless I would rather trust a communist than a christian. The christian cult is the biggest mass murdering cult that ever was and still is. Stef really went off the rails here for me.
ThunderPreacher 2 months ago
@crazay1113 their use of violence
waksibra 2 months ago
They may agree to that now, but they don't have complete power over the government. Would you trust that they would keep this mild form of christianity if they gained control of the state? I wouldn't. Same with communists. They're going to say now that they absolutely won't send people to gulags. Of course they'll say that. Both of these groups have killed people like me in the past though. Christians would come after me for being an atheist, communists would hunt me down for being an anarchist.
Zerafinel 2 months ago
christopher hitchens was a great american!
ZiggleFingers 2 months ago
Stef. You're saying you prefer christians over communists, and go on talking about how many have died because of communism, but surely even more people have died because of christianity? I'm not very fond of either one of those categories. Christians have killed countless of disbelievers though. You said yourself once that you cannot accept people who worship a book that says that you should be killed. What has changed?
Zerafinel 2 months ago
@Zerafinel The difference is that the mass murder committed by communists was not inconsistent with their philosophy while the mass murder committed by "Christians" was inconsistent with their philosophy.
99percentatheist 2 months ago
@99percentatheist I don't think that is objectively true. But if you could convince me, prove it to me, I'd be happy to hear your arguments. Please. How is mass murder inconsistent with christianity? There are countless of examples of god demanding mass murder in the Bible.
Zerafinel 2 months ago
@Zerafinel Mass murder is inconsistent with Christianity because of Jesus' teachings and life. He taught to love our enemies, to turn the other cheek, to pray for those who persecute us. Which is exactly what he did in his life. So the man who claims to be a follower of Jesus and commits mass murder is acting not because of his Christianity but in spite of it.In the past a sort of pseudo Christianity has been used as a means to control the masses and to justify war. Man is to blame.
99percentatheist 2 months ago
@99percentatheist I do understand the difference between the NT and OT, it has always been striking to me. But it is undeniable that the deity in the OT committed mass murder and other atrocious acts. And this deity is supposedly Jesus's father. Jesus claims to be doing the will of his father. What is the moral character of a person who does the will of a mass murderer, and doesn't condemn said acts but supports them? This is not something that would normally be considered moral.
Zerafinel 2 months ago
@Zerafinel I'm not saying he's real but for argument's sake: Let's say that the Christian God does exist. As God, creator of everything and giver of life, wouldn't he be in his right to take our lives if he pleased? I mean, according to Christian doctrine he does not only gives us life but sustains us alive without obligation. So it seems to me that if such a God existed, he would be within his right to take our lives, right?
99percentatheist 2 months ago
@99percentatheist This fits with the comparison with the parents/family as well, as does most if not all christian doctrine. Like God, our parents created us and sustain us, without asking us if we wanted it or not. Would it be moral for a parent to take our lives or torment us or do as they please with us? I would say no. We did not ask to be born. It was their choice. It cannot be moral to create a creature with a nervous system and fear of death, and then torment it or kill it. That's sadism.
Zerafinel 2 months ago
@Zerafinel The relationship between God and man is quite different than the one between parent and offspring. God is to be worshiped, a parent is not. God is the giver of all life, a parent is but a procreator. It would be immoral for a person to kill another, but not for God. In Christianity,God, as the giver of life (given by grace for the benefit of the creature) has the right to take anyone's life any time. This is a prerogative God has.
Now, were do you get this "torment" stuff?
99percentatheist 2 months ago
@99percentatheist When we talk about "God" we're really talking about our parents, the parallels are everywhere, but let's assume we're not. If I give you a gift you can't refuse and did not ask for, are you indebted to me? Babies can't take their own lives, may seem redundant but it's important. We can't refuse. And the torment - there is all kinds of it. Threatening with hellfire for simply saying the wrong words or making a picture (the commandments).
Zerafinel 2 months ago
my favorite "god" is the trickster raven of american indian myth
desirefirst 2 months ago
Oh but I come from that background too (left wing, anti-capitalist), yet here I am, an anti-statist. All this philosophy nonsense dragged me kicking and screaming over to the dark side of capitalism, or rather "free marketism" as I prefer to call it. It is possible, but I would not call it entirely easy. Sometimes I have relapses and scream at the bank owners and such, you know.
Zerafinel 2 months ago
@Zerafinel
Welcome to the dark side!
utubehayter 2 months ago
Whatever I can say about many of his views, Hitchens was a great debater, and he did express and channel, if you will, a lot of the anger and even rage you are bound to have inside if you're an atheist in a largely religious world. I can say I am grateful that he did take on those battles for atheism, i think it helped us all a lot. On the other hand, I am very, very critical of the Iraqi war and I do not agree with him on that at all. Good analysis.
Zerafinel 2 months ago
cdnt stand the pompous old fool
TheGambler666 2 months ago
Don't children only become self-aware around 18 months?
mikef179 2 months ago
@Textra another example would be a person selflessly taking care of socially useless sick or disabled people i.e. paralyzed or braindead. According to atheistic morality they should immediately stop acting that way and pursue their own interests. Let them die, feel no remorse. And if you do somehow feel remorse you should immediately chalk it up to wishful thinking of eternity and superstition. Reason prevails. Emotion disapears. Or somehow Nature has made us a slave to our fellow man needlessly
CloverfieldMonster95 2 months ago
@Textra1 you knew you would die soon anyways and you could always commit suicide so there would be no real pain for you. Just the victim. You would rot end of story. But if there's God...
CloverfieldMonster95 2 months ago
The Holy spirit using a date rape drug on the virgin mary,, ohhhhhhh you're going to hell for that one.
MrVisions 2 months ago
@Textra1 then this conversation has shown only that we have reached a point in human evolution in which we now can surmise that there is no real reason to be moral and we should only live what is socially advantageous and should not be truly loving or kind to anybody without a reason that doesn't benefit us in the end. If you knew you were going to die and a day before you decided to rape somebody because you've simply always wanted to. There would be no objective reason why you shouldn't.
CloverfieldMonster95 2 months ago
yet there are dozens of tribes that have never known of a god figure, let alone the judeo/christian god. studying them, they seem very moral and experience human empathy probably even more so than the western world. i find no logic in holding on to ancient myths and rituals. with that said, it is an individual decision to believe in gods. i simply dislike being bombarded with witnesses when i pronounce my atheism.
PrometheusMovement 2 months ago
"Marxism is the opium of the intellectuals."
ProDCloud 2 months ago
"Christopher Hitchens... [form of?] atheism comes from socialism/communism." Big bag of WTF!?!?!? His atheism comes from logic and rational thought on religion, not because of a political standpoint.
duplainjm 2 months ago
It annoyed me that you called him chris because he hated that. R.I.P hitch
dippey120 2 months ago
@dippey120
Congratulations.
myusernameisluc 2 months ago
The infancy study is fascinating. It really gives weight to the notion that morality need neither be subjective nor god given. It's an emergent quality which comes from the nature of our species. This is a great study to stick under the noses of smug religionists, or as I prefer to called them, cultists, that their false dichotomy of "Without god, morality is only subjective" is nonsense. But then, reasonable people already know this.
Textra1 2 months ago
I'm afraid the Great Wall is not actually visible from space (it's no wider than a suburban road), so the only thing visible from space is your ego. :)
DasGuntLord01 2 months ago
in my personal experience and from what I see on the internet is that atheists are overwhelmingly of a strong marxist, radical egalitarian flavor. They also tend to be ratfinkish (like libertarians to some degree). The men are either androgynous or effeminate and have very passive aggressive female-like power and the women tend to be... passive aggressive psycho bitches.
As an atheist, I think I would consider myself hateful towards atheists kind of like how Howard Stern is an anti-semite.
intercourseman69 2 months ago
@intercourseman69 pretty much, there are those too who just bow down to feminists/women hoping to get laid. theresa guy on here called maoistrebelnews that shares the view that consenual sex with a man and woman is rape
chorizo1337 2 months ago
If you think clearly, God's sperm gets on all of us at least a few times a year, every t