War Resisters pt. 2: Toronto 9/11 Truth Not Welcome Here

[TheFlyposter]

What's funny is I am bookmarking this video for future use as a demonstration on how to deal with truthers when they try to hijack your movement, and this video has been posted by truthers.

[911sausageman]

"do your own research" = 'watch crappy internet videos'

[PapaOystein]

Unbelievable - those truther brats get pwned big time, bitch-slapped around and their asses handed to them, and they put it up on youtube themselves? Don't they have any self-awareness at all??

[911sausageman]

@PapaOystein That's exactly what I'm wondering.. What the hell are they thinking posting this? What is their point? That real activists are offended by the way truthers can't find their own rally and have to co-opt theirs?

I'm so sick of the way truthers latch on to and co-opt other movements..

OWS comes to mind.

[FacelesswithEyesOpen]

Disgusting ignorance and stupidity on the part of the war resisters. Funny here I am editing video of a war resister to get his message out and I am a die hard 9/11 truther.

[Frickitall]

what this "You truthers" shit... we are all in this together and when people want answers they deserve them. People don't want to be told what to do or what to believe. If anyone tells me what to do they are just creating more problems.

There are no clear cut answers.

Anyone who says they KNOW is lying to themselves and others.

[NRen2k5]

Wow, you "Truthers" are really something....

[Sonjaaa99]

i have no doubt that the "9-11 Truth Movement" is inspired and funded by the CIA to disrupt and provide disinfo to the anti-War movement and other legitimate and successful progressive movements around North America. you guys are total agents.

[ScottishAtheist]

Well done to these guys. I love seeing truthfags get roasted. The delicious and sad irony is that they are their own worst enemy; they're distractions from the real issues, and their baseless claims will never get them taken seriously. Watch more web documentaries fools.

[NRen2k5]

lmfao, so sad.

[Nyarlathoteplol]

Pwned.

[wolfumz]

that old guy fucking rocks.

[JimmyeDallas]

These people don't trust the official story of 9/11 but they do trust the opinion of an uneducated, extreme right-wing, redneck, self-promoting charlatan. I might add that Mr. Joseph, Mr. Jones, and the other charlatans have made plenty of money off their broadcast and have profited from your paranoia, just as Bush Administration officials have.

[c6gunner]

One bunch of nuts arguing against another. Only "truthers" could make pro-terrorism protesters seem sane and rational in comparison.

[zeppelinesque]

Alex Jones and his minions tell tales:

watch?v=XsyLC2YLZGY

[cOmOnLoOn]

Qui Bono? Qui Bono? Qui Bono? Man, y'all straight up fractious. I dunno who got it into their head that being a shit disturber smart ass who thinks they get an hour of msn with Chomsky everyday, is pretty smart. 9/11 truth needs to yield once in a while. You guys will all end up with personality disorders about how the world refuses to see things your way, like Koresh or some shit. Which is understandable, but really, relax once in a while. Let the wookie win.

[jaheira2016]

i looked up demoded buildings and building that was hit by planes on vids and pics. I checked the history and everything. Did you guys know that the Empire State building was hit by a jet? yes it was, 1 million in damage and the building is still standing

[SurlyInsomniac]

What are "demoded buildings"?

The Empire State Building was NEVER EVER "hit by a jet". The fact that you believe otherwise speaks volumes about you and your poor research skills.

Before you angrily respond back to me and make a bigger ass of yourself, take a breath and actually read about the incident you alluded to. You may even inadvertently learn why that incident and the WTC attacks on 9/11 are apples and oranges when it comes to trying to understand why the twin towers collapsed.

[only2percent]

Judging by the Year 2001 wording: "attacks", "collapsed", - You did not do any research at all.

[SurlyInsomniac]

Am I wrong about the Empire State Building never being hit by a jet? Am I wrong that due to the major differences in building construction and the nature of the crashes, that you can't draw any meaningful conclusions on what the WTC crashes should have looked like when compared to the ESB crash?

If you could stop raging against the machine for a moment and actually research these questions dispassionately, you may find that you don't know nearly as much on this subject as you think you do.

[ScottishAtheist]

It wasn't a jet - it was a propeller driven plane, a B-25 , it's far smaller and lighter than a 767, and was moving a lot slower. Not to mention the two buildings are entirely different.

Get your facts straight tard.

[Rottenhaus]

@jaheira2016

The B-25 isn't a jet- it's a twin engine bomber.

Isn't the truther mantra 'do your research"?

[grandmastershek]

@Rottenhaus "research" to them is regurgitate what you hear on youtube and read on random websites so as long as it confirms your prior beliefs.

Its kind of sad that they have to ask for an invitation to speak at event. It truly says something about their efficacy that they have to beg to be invited to speak at events as opposed to be actually invited to speak at events with more than 10-20 people.

[Rottenhaus]

@grandmastershek

The great thing about truthers is that they disappear when I close my browser.

[jaheira2016]

check out the vid on here " the speach that got JFK killed"

[ALuimes]

Whoes on the Right and the Left here? I can't really tell. The guy fromm 911 Truth looks like a hippie, but he's confronting the War Resistors guy, who would be Left.

[JimmyeDallas]

It's logic vs. illogical.

[DIGIBOYTV]

The cop summed it up, ignorance is so funny at times. Good attempt at discussion though, T.O. is a tough frustrated crowd.

[rhth79]

To the clown in the camo: No sir, you are the idiot if this is your argument to support the official story. Simply claiming that those who disagree with you, on whether or not the American government was involved, are ignorant, makes you look silly.

[wearechangecanada]

the link is dead and i fail to see why this is still posted, it serves no purpose

[bassfishers]

the war protesters are a waste of time, they will do what they want, when they want.

IMHO the 'nutcase' conspiracy theory guys are correct, its just that the saudis have oil and money, so that got swept under the table. The

powers railroaded the war after 'staging' the 9-11.

[jp834618]

Could someone photoshop a truther t-shirt and a bullhorn onto the energizer bunny? Maybe add some pamphlets and copies of LC, too? It would be perfect.

[zedek3147]

ANyway, CHF, wanted to thank you personally. You accomplish two things. 1) Help make JREF look foolish, childish, meandering. 2) Help validate "twoofers" (as you love to say) by linking to videos where "your side" is actually failing at discourse. If I were a paranoid type, I would almost think you were some sort of "mole"? A provocateur maybe? Nah, couldn't be. MAybe just a flailing character who enjoys schoolyard bullying with over inflated self importance?? Yep, that's more like it.Enjoy

[CHF2]

You're welcome, son.

I love to pass around evidence of just how pathetic the loons have become. Trying to crash other people's demonstrations? Being told to fuck off?

Do you have any idea how sad that is?

I'm sure the folks at JREF get as much a kick out of your "truthseeking" as I do. Yes, in your world being told to fuck off by your anti-war allies constitutes a victory; something to be proud of. Keep it up.

[zedek3147]

I mean, if I were part of the "JREF community", I would be embarrassed by the amount of posts you attain there. I would feel uneasy every time you wrote an opinion piece(like you do). I'm sure many JREF members think this, but they won't tell you. It's kinda obvious in the responses to your posts over there(very little). I just think they see you ass a blight , a blemish, a eccentric family member on Thanksgiving, thrashing around drunken and dipping fingers in the gravy.

[zedek3147]

WHat's also notable, is that almost EVERY video you point to ass a demonstration of "twoofer idiocy", the videos mostly show the opposite, at least to a rational person, but you're not that. You are a FAN, A cult member, a zealot, frothing at the mouth babbling incoherently while claiming victory. It never fails, there is always one who speaks the loudest, and shows the least. Isn't JREF tired of you by now? It's almost as if you're working AGAINST them by being an embarrassment. wHATS UP DUDE?

[zedek3147]

CHF,I love how you post your "we laugh at these guys" YouTube videos at JREF. Most of the YouTube videos you link to reiterate, confirm, validate...exactly what the "twoofers" say in regards to general claims. Like for instance, this video. It is supposed to show how "twoofers" make an ass of themselves correct? Yet, they seem calm and rational, while the "anti war" guys play the part of the uneducated. You would think that in this video the "twoofers" would appear that way, from your zeal.

[zedek3147]

Notice how uneducated and stuck for words the "anti war" guys (in fatigues I might add)are. No information, just stuttering, claims of provocation, appeal to authority, nonsensical ramblings. This is the best the "anti war" crowd has...sadly.

[zedek3147]

Yes...Dylan Avery ...and ONLY Dylan Avery...has copies of teH Uber SeekriT Filez! He must die for what he knows LOL!!! Forget about the millions that have his films, only he "gets it". Dylan Avery MUST BE STOPPED! He's making films. They're already out and mass produced,in the homes of millions, and on their POOTERZ, but he still must be erased!!

[zedek3147]

3:51 the idiot says, "The fact that that kid is still alive, proves he's wrong"

Nice logic there genius. The fact that Dylan Avery is still alive, proves he is wrong? LOL What a benchmark for "debunkers". Keep em rolling in guys.

[Caper1144]

Hey... I don't know where I stand on Afghanistan, it's really irrelevant. Good on you guys who do reject the wars that are not stupid enough to buy into this crap.

[ArmchairRevolution]

Get out of my anti-war movement, 9/11 Nutters!

[r1ddleb0x]

Amen

[jwenning1]

What pathetic losers truthers are. What cowardice. How manipulative! How rude and embarrassing! They humiliate themselves and have absolutely no shame. They are severely delusional and should seek help.

[AWSmith1955]

So thats what 911 truth is up to now? Riding on the coattails of legitimate demonstrations? get your own damn mic and have your own demonstrations. see if more than half a dozen show up. Looks like you had more cameraman there than 911 troothers.

[AWSmith1955]

So thats what 911 truth is up to now? Riding on the coattails of legitimate demonstrations? get your own damn mic and have your own demonstrations. see if more than half a dozen show up. Looks like you had more cameraman there than 911 troothers.

[CHF2]

Don't you fucking 9/11 kooks get it???

You're an embarrassment! Of course the war resisters don't want your ignorant asses at their rally - no one does!

[persona19]

If 9/11 is an inside job, then it's pretty huge, because it's the basis for so much of what's going on right now. Don't just watch Loose Change, the 9/11 Truth Movement is so much more than that film. There's several documentaries.

[CHF2]

"There's several documentaries."

Same shit, different soundtrack.

That's basically the youtube "truthseekers" in a nutshell: truth is determined by how many stupid videos you can make.

[lizasqui]

The 9/11 truth folks are really obnoxious. They seem to love to provoke people, especially people who are working against Bush's war.

Then when they provoke a negative response, they rush to film it and show it on the internet as if it was a big achievement.

Which side are they on, anyway? They haunt peace rallies and other events, thrusting their signs into everybody's face, starting quarrels and calling names. Just what Bush would want, it seems.

[misterchillz]

i cant understand why we should support a war resister who's that ignorant? Send his ass back to the US so they can ship his brainwashed butt off to war. What punk bitches those war resisters are,...

[LoneAirman]

I can't see this guy being brainashed. If he was then why is he here??

[SOULDIERofPEACE]

You will notice at the end of the video that the police officer does nothing, and merely looks away with a smirk on his face. This kind of confontation between dissenters is exactly what the Right wants. Provoking a response and furthering people's frustration by posting it on youtube for public viewing is exactly how they want things to turn out: with anger, frustration and disagreement comes the increase in distance between people who should be working together.

[SOULDIERofPEACE]

Not to say that one should adpot the ideals of the other - but you must understand that people are people, and at times of stress (such as one of us being deported), something viewed as out of context would only exacerbate feelings of frustration and anger at an already stressful situation.

[SOULDIERofPEACE]

I am not saying either was right in their opinion, but to post it as if to say we are hiding something or to "expose" some sort of downside is really counter-productive to the peace work that we could all be doing, either in a joint effort or in our own factions, aiming in the same direction.

[SOULDIERofPEACE]

All of the resisters have their own personal problems to deal with, and that coupled with the uncertainty of being forced back into a situation in which they will have to participate in an illegal war is something that only we who are experiencing this can understand.

[SOULDIERofPEACE]

Counter-productive behavior benefits no one. The event in this video was an emergency rally to stop the deportation of fellow resister Robin Long, an event to raise awareness about THAT particular situation, and to gain support in preventing it from happening. Our frustration grew because of your insistence to project your agenda using our resources. Had this been an event in a different vein, I believe things would have turned out differently.

[SOULDIERofPEACE]

With all that said, I will only agree that the CIA funded and trained Al-Qaeda, and that alone should suffice enough because it is irrefutable. Was the blowback from this creation intended? We may not know in our lifetimes. Thank you for understanding our side of the situation!

[dimensionsouthwest]

I thought you guys handled that pretty well. They'll come around.

[dkirolos]

Wow they really have a severe adverse reaction to 9/11 truth.

The want you to shut up.

I wonder why?

[r1ddleb0x]

Because they're tired of hearing nonsense?