The tokamak installation has nothing in common with the Sun and with the thermonuclear controlled fusion. Viz: 1).-can not concentrate and confine the plasma; 2).-can not isolate plasma face of internal walls of the toroidal chamber because they it will smelt at 5...10% from temperature of fusion; 3).-the switchs of heat can not will be used because can not it extract heat from the toroidal chamber.
The model of thermonuclear controlled reactor proposed of myself- reproduces entirely the conditions from Sun. Viz: 1).-produce a globe of plasma and turned it with 800m/s; 2).-ensure a magnetic trap with two electromagnetic crossed fields which dress and turn the globe of plasma; 3).-supply continuously with hydrogen in state of plasma and ensure the its confination. Moreover, makes possibly the direct gathering of the electrical current.
The test for nuclear fusion realisation on Tokamak's installations and with LASER cannot bring anything new for the energetics' future. I bind the thermonuclear controlled reactor schedule by the Sun model , by the reactive electromagnetic motor schedule from Palenque stone's tombe. You see the my project for thermonuclear controlled reactor.
@deosu actually, if u stuck a human in a reactor not much would happen at all. The plasma would rapidly loose energy. You must remember that this plasma is not very dense. But saying that, I wouldn't like to demonstrate it :D
@spritsengiggle and the part about lasers, you're thinking of inertia confinement fusion which is completely different to this (which is magnetic confinement fusion).
@spritsengiggle@trexilll trexilll is right about the fact that it requires more energy than it generates. And yes, this is because of confinement. There are instability modes within the plasma that need controlling. The longer the confinement, the more energy can be produced. There are MANY other problems with Tokamaks, we can only sustain reactors for ~20-30 years with the worlds current supply of tritium. one of the main goals is to design tritium breeders (that will generate tritium)
The test for nuclear fusion realisation on Tokamak's installations and with LASER cannot bring anything new for the energetics' future. I bind the thermonuclear controlled reactor schedule by the Sun model , by the reactive electromagnetic motor schedule from Palenque stone's tombe. You see the my project for thermonuclear controlled reactor.
SandustanBrasovMy brethren, you have capacity of to construct the thermonuclear controlled reactor, only that, you must needs let construct something functional. The tokamak were invented in 1950s by physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov inspired by idea of Oleg Lavrentyev, when he studyed the realization of the hydrogen bomb, which has not need of magnetic trap, and thus, all the experiments were finished with the destruction of the tokamak instalations in the central
My brethren, you have capacity of to construct the thermonuclear controlled reactor, only that, you must needs let construct something functional. The tokamak were invented in 1950s by physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov inspired by idea of Oleg Lavrentyev, when he studyed the realization of the hydrogen bomb, which has not need of magnetic trap, and thus, all the experiments were finished with the destruction of the tokamak instalations in the central zone.
My brethren, you have capacity of to construct the thermonuclear controlled reactor, only that, you must needs let construct something functional. The tokamak were invented in 1950s by physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov inspired by idea of Oleg Lavrentyev, when he studyed the realization of the hydrogen bomb, which has not need of magnetic trap, and thus, all the experiments were finished with the destruction of the tokamak instalations in the central zone.
It is indeed magnets that hold the plasma in place, but its very complicated. A current is run trough the plasma itself, so that it becomes magnetic (charged particles need to move if they are to be magnetic) and lots of strong magnets hold that moving plasma inside the donut while its moving around. If I remember correct, they are trying to let enough of the released neutrons interact with the walls in such a way that they produce more fuel... complicated stuff.
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tritium seems not good, it isn't inexistent in nature because its half life is only 12 years and the reaction produces neutrons impossible to stop, and is inefficient. USA, Rusia, China, EU and Japan are researching the helium3 or He3, that is only on the moon, cause magnetic field on earth repels it. There are 1 million tons, is clean energy for 4000 years and they're mad with it, cause 1kg of he3 is valued in 4million US$, so is sure we can't fill globes with this type of helium
Kind of right. Tritium is rare because of, as you say, it decays relatively fast, and so isnt found it nature (we can recover it from nuclear reactors as a 'waste' product), however it is not repelled by the earths magnetic field. You are probably thinking of a alpha radiation which is a helium nuclei stripped of its electrons, and it is affected by EM fields as it travels.
It exists in many places other than moon. It exists on other planets, asteroids, comets, etc and especially in stars.
Will this technology work or not? Are the powers that be really efforting at this technology? What's the largest difficulty to overcome at present? Is the scale of iter too small?
its costing more energy to produce the reaction than we can extract from the reaction. Its all about containing the plasma as the reaction grows, this is where our technology needs improvement.
Until you get more out of it than you put in, it's not economical.
@trexilll may i remind you that this is still a work in proces and the future of this are looking better and better. even with the contruction of the this new power plant they are making new things adding new things, so give it time. i like the idea anyway.
@trexilll The reaction itself will produce waaaayyy more energy than you put in, so you are wrong. But as you say, containing it is a problem. Solving this riddle is like finding a needle in a haystack. They are trying to create an artificial sun, not a piece of cake.. There is no reaction. not yet. they are starting to use lasers now, that might work.
@trexilll Once you start the reaction and maintain it without outside energy(break even) then you hit pay dirt.
In theory, once you get the reaction started inside the reactor, it should keep running as long as you feed it fuel...... This is the main problem we face, along with keeping it contained in a extremely hot environment.
@AZURA888 Boltzman's constant is 8.6*10^-5 eV/K. 80 million degrees is just 7keV, or the energy an ion has if you accelerate it across a 7 000 volt drop in vacuum. The protons in the large hadron collider are 80 quadrillion degrees; but there are much fewer ions in those beams than there are in these fusion reactors.
Okay here's an even more insane question. Considering the amount of heat energy it would take to turn gas into plasma, what do you suppose is the temperature and energy required to turn an entire human into plasma?
Thanks for the comment. Still can't figure out what you mean. ...Ahh..I like the video that graphically compares solar masses "all lined up" with their names. Never would have figured it. ..?.. ahh...There was a news story about a "diamond star". A solar mass of crystallized carbon. I guess it's true.
uuhh...Yea... The reality of plasma must have something to do with gravity. If gravity were all powerful, everything would tend to collapse into a lump. ...so the energy and state of a star is relative to the amount of matter in it to the force of gravity. eh hem... so a gas giant planet doesn't have enough matter to spark fusion. Do all stars have planets? What allowed the planets to form at all?
@Deosu put it this way ITER burns at 100 million kelvin it needs magnets to contain the heat because ANYTHING that came into contact with it would be turned into plasma as well 100 million kelvin is hotter than the corona of the sun by about 50 times
@panzarw there is vacuum inside of it so that there is no air to heat up the walls of the reactor but the light and the helium come off of the reactor and heat up the metal.
@panzarw plasma is, simply put, ionized gas molecules. that means tht their are a huge amount of protons electrons etc withing the plasma. The magnets are able to repel the plasma away from the walls because the ions are oppositely charged to the charge of the magnets. Heat is basically the amount in which a particle vibrates releasing energy. If you prevent the particle from touching the walls of the reactor then it cannot transfer its energy to the reactor walls.
@panzarw if you had looked into it then you should know that the most head stay's within the magnet field and dont come in contact with the walls btw those walls are also made to resist high temp's. and this is much saver then nuclear powerplants becuase to proces stops direct after an error the temp has to stay on a constant ****c if its getting to high or to low then there is no reaction possible.
@panzarw Although the plasma is very hot, it is not very dense. There are many times more atoms in the wall than there are in the plasma, and the plasma is kept away from the wall by a magnetic field. The few ions that hit the wall cause a little bit of local damage but not significant bulk heating of the wall. Think of them sort of like alpha particles from a radioactive isotopes(but with much less energy!)
This is a fusion reactor. Living inside one (while operating) would be impossible. Temperatures inside this reactor reach sun-like levels. The temperature is so hot that it causes the atoms to move around so fast that they can no longer stay bonded together as molecules.
As a result, the gas inside the reactor becomes completely ionized. Gas in this state is called "Plasma". As the temperatures get even hotter, the atoms will begin fusing with each other to form lightweight isotopes of Helium.
I believe this reactor to be located at the Institute For Energy Research in Germany.
And yes, I do suppose that the inside of the reactor does have a somewhat "space-age" appearence. Playing paintball inside of the reactor would not be very fun though, since the reactor is just a giant circle.. ;-D
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The tokamak installation has nothing in common with the Sun and with the thermonuclear controlled fusion. Viz: 1).-can not concentrate and confine the plasma; 2).-can not isolate plasma face of internal walls of the toroidal chamber because they it will smelt at 5...10% from temperature of fusion; 3).-the switchs of heat can not will be used because can not it extract heat from the toroidal chamber.
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The model of thermonuclear controlled reactor proposed of myself- reproduces entirely the conditions from Sun. Viz: 1).-produce a globe of plasma and turned it with 800m/s; 2).-ensure a magnetic trap with two electromagnetic crossed fields which dress and turn the globe of plasma; 3).-supply continuously with hydrogen in state of plasma and ensure the its confination. Moreover, makes possibly the direct gathering of the electrical current.
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The test for nuclear fusion realisation on Tokamak's installations and with LASER cannot bring anything new for the energetics' future. I bind the thermonuclear controlled reactor schedule by the Sun model , by the reactive electromagnetic motor schedule from Palenque stone's tombe. You see the my project for thermonuclear controlled reactor.
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sandustanBrasov 3 months ago
@deosu actually, if u stuck a human in a reactor not much would happen at all. The plasma would rapidly loose energy. You must remember that this plasma is not very dense. But saying that, I wouldn't like to demonstrate it :D
luked002 5 months ago
@spritsengiggle and the part about lasers, you're thinking of inertia confinement fusion which is completely different to this (which is magnetic confinement fusion).
luked002 5 months ago
@spritsengiggle @trexilll trexilll is right about the fact that it requires more energy than it generates. And yes, this is because of confinement. There are instability modes within the plasma that need controlling. The longer the confinement, the more energy can be produced. There are MANY other problems with Tokamaks, we can only sustain reactors for ~20-30 years with the worlds current supply of tritium. one of the main goals is to design tritium breeders (that will generate tritium)
luked002 5 months ago
i cant wait to see JET
skylerm420 6 months ago
That looks really expensive.
arnold02000 8 months ago
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The test for nuclear fusion realisation on Tokamak's installations and with LASER cannot bring anything new for the energetics' future. I bind the thermonuclear controlled reactor schedule by the Sun model , by the reactive electromagnetic motor schedule from Palenque stone's tombe. You see the my project for thermonuclear controlled reactor.
sandustanBrasov 1 year ago
SandustanBrasovMy brethren, you have capacity of to construct the thermonuclear controlled reactor, only that, you must needs let construct something functional. The tokamak were invented in 1950s by physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov inspired by idea of Oleg Lavrentyev, when he studyed the realization of the hydrogen bomb, which has not need of magnetic trap, and thus, all the experiments were finished with the destruction of the tokamak instalations in the central
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My brethren, you have capacity of to construct the thermonuclear controlled reactor, only that, you must needs let construct something functional. The tokamak were invented in 1950s by physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov inspired by idea of Oleg Lavrentyev, when he studyed the realization of the hydrogen bomb, which has not need of magnetic trap, and thus, all the experiments were finished with the destruction of the tokamak instalations in the central zone.
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My brethren, you have capacity of to construct the thermonuclear controlled reactor, only that, you must needs let construct something functional. The tokamak were invented in 1950s by physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov inspired by idea of Oleg Lavrentyev, when he studyed the realization of the hydrogen bomb, which has not need of magnetic trap, and thus, all the experiments were finished with the destruction of the tokamak instalations in the central zone.
sandustanBrasov 1 year ago
The set of Terminator 3?
HailTheBackwardsMan 1 year ago
the temp inside your inkljet printer hits levels as hot as plasma, but only for a micro sec, ... just thought you should all know that lol
jewbyrd 1 year ago
So when will we be able to travel at the speed of light with an engine, like this one, powering a gigantic ship? I know....wishful thinking.
Consumerofknowledge 1 year ago
what would happen if a human was put in there during a test run ?
wyvern499 1 year ago
@wyvern499 wtf do you think...
xsararangerpkerx 1 year ago
by the time they get tokamaks to break even (most estimates say 2070) there will be better alternitives that are fully developed, like the polywell.
aradioactivedonut 1 year ago
Amazing!
xoio 1 year ago
It is indeed magnets that hold the plasma in place, but its very complicated. A current is run trough the plasma itself, so that it becomes magnetic (charged particles need to move if they are to be magnetic) and lots of strong magnets hold that moving plasma inside the donut while its moving around. If I remember correct, they are trying to let enough of the released neutrons interact with the walls in such a way that they produce more fuel... complicated stuff.
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henrykay01 1 year ago
stay away from the plasma its hotter than the surface of the sun
cladiax1 1 year ago
nice
FIGHTFANNERD3 2 years ago
tritium seems not good, it isn't inexistent in nature because its half life is only 12 years and the reaction produces neutrons impossible to stop, and is inefficient. USA, Rusia, China, EU and Japan are researching the helium3 or He3, that is only on the moon, cause magnetic field on earth repels it. There are 1 million tons, is clean energy for 4000 years and they're mad with it, cause 1kg of he3 is valued in 4million US$, so is sure we can't fill globes with this type of helium
AZURA888 2 years ago
Kind of right. Tritium is rare because of, as you say, it decays relatively fast, and so isnt found it nature (we can recover it from nuclear reactors as a 'waste' product), however it is not repelled by the earths magnetic field. You are probably thinking of a alpha radiation which is a helium nuclei stripped of its electrons, and it is affected by EM fields as it travels.
It exists in many places other than moon. It exists on other planets, asteroids, comets, etc and especially in stars.
yunawind 2 years ago
That's true! You must've seen that show too. 1 ton of He3 can power a city of 10 million for a year.
Krawnikal 2 years ago
Outstanding!
streincorp 3 years ago
Will this technology work or not? Are the powers that be really efforting at this technology? What's the largest difficulty to overcome at present? Is the scale of iter too small?
cropsey7 3 years ago
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Answer that one!
Arightfuckingcunt 3 years ago
its costing more energy to produce the reaction than we can extract from the reaction. Its all about containing the plasma as the reaction grows, this is where our technology needs improvement.
Until you get more out of it than you put in, it's not economical.
trexilll 2 years ago 6
@trexilll may i remind you that this is still a work in proces and the future of this are looking better and better. even with the contruction of the this new power plant they are making new things adding new things, so give it time. i like the idea anyway.
CLEnforcer 1 year ago
@trexilll The reaction itself will produce waaaayyy more energy than you put in, so you are wrong. But as you say, containing it is a problem. Solving this riddle is like finding a needle in a haystack. They are trying to create an artificial sun, not a piece of cake.. There is no reaction. not yet. they are starting to use lasers now, that might work.
spritsengiggle 6 months ago
@spritsengiggle You said I was wrong then agreed with me. I'm more than a little confused.
trexilll 6 months ago
@trexilll Once you start the reaction and maintain it without outside energy(break even) then you hit pay dirt.
In theory, once you get the reaction started inside the reactor, it should keep running as long as you feed it fuel...... This is the main problem we face, along with keeping it contained in a extremely hot environment.
memadmax69 3 weeks ago
80 million degrees!!, that's hot.
AZURA888 3 years ago 3
Well drrrrrrr!
Arightfuckingcunt 3 years ago
@AZURA888 Boltzman's constant is 8.6*10^-5 eV/K. 80 million degrees is just 7keV, or the energy an ion has if you accelerate it across a 7 000 volt drop in vacuum. The protons in the large hadron collider are 80 quadrillion degrees; but there are much fewer ions in those beams than there are in these fusion reactors.
soylentgreenb 1 year ago
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panzarw 4 years ago
This makes me think, "Uhhh, everything's fine here. Situation normal. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"
SgtSanchez 4 years ago 2
That was Jan Solo ;)
samoht1977 4 years ago 2
Okay here's an even more insane question. Considering the amount of heat energy it would take to turn gas into plasma, what do you suppose is the temperature and energy required to turn an entire human into plasma?
Deosu 4 years ago 3
.....how 'bout "really, really, really hot!" :-D
(I really have no clue)
stephendonnelly88 4 years ago 4
duuhh. Plasma's the most common state of matter in the Universe. Therefore people, trees, goats, grasses, cinch bugs, are all freaks of nature.
TwoBun 3 years ago
lol becuase of Stars are so dam big.
Darkfoster22 3 years ago
Thanks for the comment. Still can't figure out what you mean. ...Ahh..I like the video that graphically compares solar masses "all lined up" with their names. Never would have figured it. ..?.. ahh...There was a news story about a "diamond star". A solar mass of crystallized carbon. I guess it's true.
TwoBun 3 years ago
"Plasma's the most common state of matter in the Universe" Stars? Plasma becuase there so hot right?
Darkfoster22 3 years ago
uuhh...Yea... The reality of plasma must have something to do with gravity. If gravity were all powerful, everything would tend to collapse into a lump. ...so the energy and state of a star is relative to the amount of matter in it to the force of gravity. eh hem... so a gas giant planet doesn't have enough matter to spark fusion. Do all stars have planets? What allowed the planets to form at all?
TwoBun 3 years ago
@Deosu you can't just turn a human into plasma I guess, since he's nod made of a single element that could go gas....He'd first burn (C -> CO & CO2)
Suthek 1 year ago
@Deosu Hmm Champion of the sun? :D
KygonG 1 year ago
@Deosu the same temperature as anything else several hundred a few thousand
no where near as hot as that reactor
madjock91 1 year ago
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ThermalHD 1 year ago
@Deosu I think you can chose between ionizing it using elecricity and heating it up =)
coccoborg 11 months ago
@Deosu put it this way ITER burns at 100 million kelvin it needs magnets to contain the heat because ANYTHING that came into contact with it would be turned into plasma as well 100 million kelvin is hotter than the corona of the sun by about 50 times
skylerm420 6 months ago
@Deosu it probably would be more about how long they are in there, though it would probably need a bit more heat
bronyatheart 4 months ago
@Deosu 100 000 Kelvin, coulombs law + bolzmann constant
sudazima 4 months ago
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panzarw 4 years ago
Good question. I can't claim to be any sort of expert on this incredible piece of technology, so all I can say is "I dunno".
I should research this, though. :-)
stephendonnelly88 4 years ago
@stephendonnelly88
They use electromagnectic forces to contain the plasma without touching the torus wall
Nemmesyz 1 year ago
you gave the answer yourself.... magnetic force
Bonzenpunk 4 years ago
The same reason the electron beam in a CRT can be hotter than the center of the sun without melting your screen.
soylentgreenb 4 years ago
Magnetic fields are keeping the plasma away from the walls.
Persekarva 4 years ago
@panzarw magnetic field keeps the plasma confined, so the only heat transfer is by radiation, which is probably limited because the stuff is so shiny
andreirocks1992 1 year ago
@panzarw there is vacuum inside of it so that there is no air to heat up the walls of the reactor but the light and the helium come off of the reactor and heat up the metal.
i think P:
xXxGenasai 1 year ago
@panzarw plasma is, simply put, ionized gas molecules. that means tht their are a huge amount of protons electrons etc withing the plasma. The magnets are able to repel the plasma away from the walls because the ions are oppositely charged to the charge of the magnets. Heat is basically the amount in which a particle vibrates releasing energy. If you prevent the particle from touching the walls of the reactor then it cannot transfer its energy to the reactor walls.
Gordo1989 1 year ago
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panzarw 1 year ago
@panzarw That magnet force is stronger than you think.
jawzmuzik 1 year ago
@panzarw "heat" is brownian motion, if the plase doesnt touch the walls, the walls dont get hot!
leonidas512 1 year ago
@panzarw if you had looked into it then you should know that the most head stay's within the magnet field and dont come in contact with the walls btw those walls are also made to resist high temp's. and this is much saver then nuclear powerplants becuase to proces stops direct after an error the temp has to stay on a constant ****c if its getting to high or to low then there is no reaction possible.
CLEnforcer 1 year ago
@panzarw Although the plasma is very hot, it is not very dense. There are many times more atoms in the wall than there are in the plasma, and the plasma is kept away from the wall by a magnetic field. The few ions that hit the wall cause a little bit of local damage but not significant bulk heating of the wall. Think of them sort of like alpha particles from a radioactive isotopes(but with much less energy!)
soylentgreenb 1 year ago
@panzarw magnetic filed ...thats what holds it from touching the walls
chris305baller 1 year ago
That would be cool to live in.. maybe.
looks like something from the movies -- like a spaceship!
dusteroo 4 years ago
This is a fusion reactor. Living inside one (while operating) would be impossible. Temperatures inside this reactor reach sun-like levels. The temperature is so hot that it causes the atoms to move around so fast that they can no longer stay bonded together as molecules.
As a result, the gas inside the reactor becomes completely ionized. Gas in this state is called "Plasma". As the temperatures get even hotter, the atoms will begin fusing with each other to form lightweight isotopes of Helium.
stephendonnelly88 4 years ago
This entire process releases a tremendous sum of energy, which can then be used (in theory) for industrial purposes.
stephendonnelly88 4 years ago
Well it would be a fun place to have a PaintBall fight -- of course, while it's turned off..
Last one to the door get's locked in -- and evaporates.
where is this reactor?
dusteroo 4 years ago
I believe this reactor to be located at the Institute For Energy Research in Germany.
And yes, I do suppose that the inside of the reactor does have a somewhat "space-age" appearence. Playing paintball inside of the reactor would not be very fun though, since the reactor is just a giant circle.. ;-D
stephendonnelly88 4 years ago
TEXTOR ? what about tokamak ?
panzarw 4 years ago
The TEXTOR reactor is simply a varient of the original tokamak design.
stephendonnelly88 4 years ago
Nice.
Spykeri 4 years ago