i just see some Judoka Yoshida ,nearly chokes royce gracie to death ! i also see Kimora chokes the father of royce but it doesnt mean that Judo is better so for all BJJ guys no doubt the Gracies are good fighters so there is not such a thing as thise martial arts is better than the other.
Why is it that every time someone is pitted against one of the Gracie's they have "15 years of experience" in their style? I've looked at four or five videos that use that exact same phrasing.
Hoyce G' challenger had Hoyce G in a neck hold hence Hoyce G' constant hitting in the same spot, to make Challenger change hold, (of which he done) BJJ in not about speed but technique, but if speed presents itself,
This is the first video I have seen where Hoyce G is in THIS victory stance of sorts.
the wall helped him take the kung fu user down,ive never saw a bjj user fighting in open space area..i mean they rely alot on walls and cages in ufc (for what ive seen so far) im just wondering...maybe the kung fu user would have been a better oponent in an open space area..
well royce had him and pushed against the wall it wasnt like the kung fu guy walked into it himself. I think because royce had already established control he would have simply swept him.
allthough the gracies are great fighters i never liked them.... i mean for what reason did he have to hit him all the time and make the fight longer and more painfull? he could of made the choke and finished him
there are no "tricks"!!! there are not 20 or 30 moves in jj,there are always more than u think.dont think that its just picking a good kickboxer and train jiu jiutsu with him and bang there u have your machine
they should honestly just stop the practice of allowing people with less than a certain IQ to post comments on Youtube. The past few pages tell the story of 2 men who have spent entire days thinking of synonyms for what amounts to 'doody head'.
kung fu expert my ass..this guy couldnt even keep gracie from hugging him..cant fight for shit..how the hell are u fighting somebody and u gonna let that person hug you?..its so easy to fight grappling guys..all you do is use your jab, keep the opponent in your distance and on his feet and dont go to the ground with him..and most importantly use your INTELLIGENCE and THINK when you are fighting
Let's step back and be real for a sec. Neither Jason nor Royce are great in this vid. Jason can't move away from Royce and Royce barrels in with his head down. He could have easily eaten fists and knees against someone who knows how to counter that. BJJ techniques for closing the gap aren't as great as those found in wrestling.
When the fight get closer and in then on the ground, what if the the kung fu man bites the ear of Gracie off or bites his throught or stick a finger into gracies ' eyes ?
It's funny how techniques that actually work against a grappler are considered "GAY". Dishonorable in a rules-based fight perhaps but biting is a very effective and viable tactic in the real world. In fact there is a Filipino subsystem of Kali known as Kina Mutai which teaches how to latch onto your opponent and bite continuously without him shaking you off. Eye gouging, pinching and even weapons in grappling is not uncommon. Grapplers should be wary of getting stabbed to death in the street
not really. Grapplers are not trained to bite, they are trained to submit. Biting is a science in grappling. You have to be able to position yourself to bite continuously WITHOUT the grappler breaking you off. There are also certain spots that are excruciatingly painful and tender from a bite. You can't just bite anywhere and expect the same reaction.
Yes it hurts but it can be shaken off. If I latch onto you with no space and bite your pecs or the top of your shoulder, and you can't break me off, its much worse.
U can still be interrupted. My point is there r ways of thwarting or maiming a grappler without getting shaken off. You know the only gay one is you becuz ur so willing to bend over for grappling. Ur also a fucking hypocrite cuz u call these techniques gay one min then claim they can be used by grapplers the next. If u find them gay DON'T USE THEM. It's not something they teach you in class anyway. Stick with ur non-gay stuff and I'll stick with mine. BUT DON'T INSULT THEM.
lmao!! my arm has been bitten by a kid who tried getting out of a choke, he even attempted hurting my groin and puling my hair! i just got more pissed off and choked him nearly unconscious until i was pulled off. i will agree these are useful somewhat in a fight.......if youre a fag. its pretty sad when you have to rely on gutless shit like that to beat another man. if i wanted to i coulda bit that kids ear off or gouged his eyes out. your only hope is a cheapshot. ill still submit you.
Did that make you feel good? Choking a kid in a fight who was probably less skilled than you? Get a good rush? One kid does not represent us all. Ur a fucking idiot and a blockhead. MMA is perfect for blockheads like you because you don't have to think, you react without thinking and you only know 1 or 2 ways of dealing with something. When someone tries to shed some light or teach you something you laugh and call the technique "gay".
Biting is done from the guard, side, back or full mount. You know zero about Kina Mutai or grappling in conditions like weapons. I hope you find out the hard way. While you're busy pulling guard one day on the street, that "fag" with the "cheap" shots pulls a knife and opens your femoral artery up and you bleed to death. Then you won't be laughing will you?
LMAO!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im getting a lesson in biting!!!! hahahahahahahah....hhahaha.....haha....ha.......haha...........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! why the fuck would i need to study biting or weapon fighting? i do not consider that real life i have no purpose in learning that. that is a weak weak weak excuse for bjj being a real world martial art and better then any of that kung fu fag shit. haha the shit you guys come up with and the denial is unbearably funny
its hilarious that your martial art cant save you from bjj whch you claim is so shitty, but somehow your gay kicks will save you from a weapon. gracie also taught elf defence buddy. i cant beleive the cheap ass excuses you come up with. YOUR GUY LOST!!! suck it up bjj is actually useful in a street fight, your gay kicks and karate chops wont do shit. your only excuse "oh hair pulling groin shots weapons" gimme a fucking break lmao you guys are such fucking posers. im actually laughin so hard now
Yea I'm sure BJJ is great for mass attacks. You're a fucking loser and a tool and a nuthugger. You have no concept of reality so it's like talking to a wall. Sorry fuckface, I take BJJ too as well as other styles so I'm not pro-kung fu or anything. Stay stupid, it's what you're good at.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.......hahahahahahaa.......haha.....ha...............HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....so kung fu cant protect you from one guy you get beat down yet now its gunna save your life against a group of guys. you kung fu homos are in such denial. look at how useless your art is against something thats actually effective. your only excuse is weapons and cheap shots oh that would make it so wed win. HAHA reality? you guys are such fucking losers man your shit sucks and is fake and useless
uh fuckstick nobody mentioned kung fu and I wasn't for it. Motherfucker, can't you read? Get your bf's cum off your lips and ears and learn to comprehend shit. You're a fucking loser who will go nowhere except into a box. Sit at home and keep choking your chicken.
Biting is bullshit. Try biting your way out of an armbar, see how far it gets. Having had it doen to me, you would have to be a complete pussy to give up a dominate position is someone but you.
I like how you just joined Youtube, never watched a single video except for this one and right away you open your trap. Makes me wonder who you might be.
Tell you what, I'll sic my pitbull on you and you can armbar him while he rips your flesh off. Tell me if that's bullshit.
I see your dopey comment below...what totally different video are you talking about? Dude, if there's one thing I hate more than BJJ blabbermouths, it's liars. I wasn't born yesterday k.
No no no, u yes u said biting is bullshit, so dogs (like most animals) have teeth and they bite. Come over here and let me see how well you deal with getting mauled. Here's your flaw: you have to actually get the armbar first. Lay you 10 to 1 you'll suffer near amputation and no armbar to show for it.
I'm not wrong, you are. You're an effing liar who hides behind a new Youtube account. And no, I don't feel like you.
Dogs have joints too and you can break em with your incredible BJJ surefire armbarring skills. But let's forget about the multiple bite wounds because those are ok.
Yes you are. You thought I was someone who talked to you earlier, started a new account and that my first comment was here. You were wrong.
I am having difficulty believeing anyone is this stupid. Dogs front leg joints point in the OPPOSITE direction on peoples arms. Do you not understand basic leverages? You can't armbar smething that isn't an arm. I can;t even believe I am explaining to someone why you can't armbar an animal with no elbows.....pathetic.
This is what I got from your Youtube profile...so I'm not wrong. Even so, you're pretty much the same. The dog shit don't fall far from the dog's ass.
REALLY? wow. That must be one strange dog then with elbow joints that point forwards, not backwards. LMAO. You need a bone chart or something? You never ever heard of a dog's elbow? Elbow dysplasia perhaps? Try learning science before BJJ...try to excel at ONE thing in life.
Yes you are. My youtube profile said I commeneted on a video before this one. You said this was the first video I commented on. You are wrong.
Are you stupid? I didn't say the elbow joit points forward not backwards, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean I said "Dogs front leg joints point in the OPPOSITE direction on peoples arms" Do you understand how thats different?
Doesn't matter, 1 video is still nothing and its clear u joined just give your dumb opinion to me. What a loser, just come clean already.
I'm through explaining canine anatomy to you. Nearly every terrestrial animal, especially tetrapods have the same body plan and that includes similar joint structure. Learn it. A human elbow points backwards as does the dog. Not opposite which is forwards.
Yes. I joined just to tell you my opinion. Then to cover my tracks, I posted a comment on an entirely seperate video, waited an entire day, and pounced. You figured out the conspiracy, want a scooby snack? You are a genius, do you work a s a detective oer chance?
And I didn't say the joint was opposite. READ "Dogs front leg joints point in the OPPOSITE direction on peoples arms" Understand how that is different, and how it related to armbars not being applicable to dogs you retard?
Why DID u join? Go away. Go comment on weightlifting videos or something. Shoo shoo.
You and your dumb opinion and stupid semantics...opposite, opposite direction, wtf does it matter. My elbow joint points backwards or towards the back. So by your logic, the dog's elbow joint points the opposite way which is towards the front. Maybe your dog does, in that case you should take him to a vet immediately or maybe he's just as stupid as you.
Why did I join? Why to tell you my opinion, like you said, my master plan to hide that obviously failed. YOU are the sole reason I joined duh, but you already figured that out.
And it makes a difference because it means you can't armbar a dog you stupid prick.
lol at your insults. Belly ring, your dog is stupid.....hahaha. Go worry about someone biting your nipples while you try to armbar them Judo ad BJJ master, and keep practicing those armbars on your pitbull,
Dumbshit, I used the dog as an example of something that bites. Only a mental midget like you would try to armbar it.
My insults are 100X better than your best point, which is dog have elbows that point to the front. Go back to grade school and get a formal education. Better yet, get a fucking job you fucking loser. Stop leeching off your mom and dad and pretending to be some BJJ streetfighter. You're a zero and a nobody.
Dude just shut the fuck up already and go back to school. You don't know shit and you have the logic of a 5 year old. If you say the dog's elbow points the opposite direction of a human's than by INFERENCE that means it points towards the front. The front meaning where the head is looking. Are you THAT fucking stupid that you don't understand your own statement?
You're a fucking loser who picks fights with other losers in the street. If you don't have any BJJ background then fuck off.
I didn't say opinion I said your own statement, can't you effing read you backwards hillbilly.
What're you lol and haha-ing about? Why are you laughing at your own stuff? It's nowhere remotely close to being witty or funny. You remind me of those autistic retard kids with the helmets who smile and laugh for no apparent reason.
Glad you enjoy my insults and jokes, but they're really about you. It's good to see you finally have a sense of humor and can laugh about your own stupidity.
don't know why you're so obsessed with the point about dogs. Maybe you suck em off or something. Seriously it's a dead issue and half-beaten to death. You made a blatantly dopey statement and that's it. Just accept it, being retarded isn't so bad. You can probably get laid from another retard bitch some day. Drooling isn't so bad.
See this is why it is so hilarious. "I am laughing at you" and you come back with that. Thats hilarious. You basically just said "I know you are but what am I" Are you 12?
"Maybe you suck em off or somethign"-Your desperation is delicious.
Hey a Labrador came after me a few minutes ago, luckily I was able to transition to a kneebar and ta him out. Whew, good thing BJJ saved the day, although I am pro-samurai-streetfighter of course.
It's fitting because you have the mentality of a 12 year old. How else can I can I communicate with you. I tried 5 times to make you understand the error of your dog elbow statement and the cheese in your ears prevented that from filtering in.
ok so you don't suck them off, maybe you fuck dogs. Being a retarded zoophile wannabe-BJJer isn't that bad either. There is a place for you in this world.
Cute Lab story but your timing is off. Strange thing is I actually believe u would do that.
BWAHAHa. And you do it again! I can only imagine the complex workings of yor brain "He just implied I was a 12 year old. Must.....think......of....comeback.....Eureka! "You have the mentality of a 12 year old". Wow, I showed him, Now I will talk about dog fucking some more since I have a strange fixation on that, and I am the one who brought up dogs in the first place."
Yeah, I agree, you seem like the kind of person who would believe a story about someone kneebarring a labrador to be honest,
Yes, I should try "working my brain." so I can come up with amazing analogies like attempting to armbar a pitbull to show BJJ doesn't work because people can bite. I must attempt to rise to these amazing intellectual standards.
yes really...you should be ashamed of yourself. Do some puzzles or something, like figure out how you were born from two fruity dads or something. Oh BJJ doesn't work in many more circumstances but explaining that to you is like explaining heaven to a frog. Oh what am I saying, u don't study BJJ, ur just a piker, a poser, a fake. Fuck you.
Just screw the Lab already, why knee bar it? If you want something bad enough, take it by force.
yes you should be ashamed. You've turned into a dumb version of Ed McMahon...haha-ing and hee-heeing for no reason and reciting whatever I say like a machine. In short you have nothing else to say after your incredible dog-has-no-elbow point and are attempting to cover your ineptitude.
I'm not hahaing and heheing for no reason, I am hahain and heheing because you thought a person armbarring a pitbull was a good analogy, and because since then you have come out with a huge quantity of insults and piss poor comebacks with no basis in anyhting that has been said here. Which is all hilarious in a pathetic way.
If that's your reason then you never had a reason. It wasn't meant to be funny yet you haha for no reason. The insults are serious and aren't funny either. Piss poor based against what? Your stupid dog elbow argument? That's pretty piss poor even for me. How does a grown piece of shit like you make that simple error? I should be laughing not you. You laugh because you have nothing to say and laughing is just a filler for your ability to say nothing. I should stick a helmet on you, tard.
This is why it is funny. It is funny because you are legitimately trying and taking this so seriously. Internetz srs busnez
It's also funny because you know absolutely nothing about me, and have resorted to saying things like "You fuck dogs" and "you have two fruity dads" in a desperate attempt to.......in fact I am not even sure what you are trying to do, but it is hilarious.
I actually don't care much, but I enjoy putting my bait out there just so nitwits like you can bite (biting is bs) and take the bait, hook, line and sinker.
Yes you fuck dogs and you have two fruity dads, so what. I don't care to know much about you. All I know is your the idiot who thinks dogs' elbows are reversed. What a doofus. Probably the biggest doofus I've ever encountered on here.
Do you also believe in fairies, other than you dad of course. I can say whatever I want and however I want. I can mean what I say and say what I mean. Like I said, you bite like a bitch, hook line and sinker. Very feisty I must say.
use the scroll bar and figure out where you said what you said. Again, nitpicking at specific words isn't going to change anything but I'll give you an A for effort.
Yes, I am very feisty. That is why I have decided to make up insults about your father, or fathers, and strangely about how you like to have sex with animals.
That's good news. I know this guy who'll love you. He loves the feisty types. He also has a pony which I'm sure you'll enjoy. You can practice your gay pseudo-BJJ on it.
So what you are saying is that you know a gay gay, who loves fesity types, who has a pony he is willing to allow peolpe to engage in sexual realtions with?
You must have been hanging around the gay personals on craiglist a long time to get that catch.
No he's in prison actually but if gay personals on craigslist is what you want then so be it. He especially digs big saggy jiggly white boy asses like yours.
well now wait a min. That don't add up. You're definitely lugging extra cellulite in there somewhere. You got a caboose. He loves them spoon-shaped bottom-heavy pockmarked rumps like yours.
You sure know an awful lot about your friends sexual preferences. I can't imagine all that was listed on his craiglist, so it must be personal experience.
Oh, good one. Cool, well, when you say shit like "You're a dumb ass white guy" then what do expect? It's be like if I called you a stupid nigger along with having already stated that you suck dick for acceptance and then expecting a black person not to get offended. "OH," I could say, "You haven't read my other posts!" I bet you wish hoyce would sit on you're face don't you? come on, admit it.
The most dangerous people are the ones who go berserk. I've seen kid at junior high school, literally tear the flesh off a bully's arm because he literally went apeshit from the torment. The bully could not punch or pull him off and was so shocked from the outburst he was shaking. The kid was not trained in anything. He simply snapped
U assume too much. U assume you're definitely getting an arm. U assume the other person abides by your rules. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.
Are you retarded? I am telling you, I have been bitten before, while armbarring someone, and it posed absolutely no problem. Do I still have scars on my thigh and ass years later? Hell yes. Was in any point in any danger, or felt I had to let go of the arm? Not a chance.
I don't assume anything. Anyone can bite or gouge. The guy able to take you down, get into mount and start choking your ass can do it a whole lot better.
WHILE armbarring is your problem. I'm talking before, do it proactively. Biting uninterrupted from a position where you can't be shaken off. Nobody can fight off a technique that's fully sunk in.
No you assume waay too much and have conditioned your thinking waay too much.
What the hell do you mean while armbarring? You worried about someone biting your belly while they are in your guard haha? You clearly do not study BJJ or Judo, there is no "while armbarring" in either.
A grappler won't be pput in a position where his opponent cannot be shaking off, unless by. OH GOSH a better grappler.
Oh you should worry about someone biting your belly, not me. I don't wear a belly ring like you. As for "while armbarring" it means once the armbar is fully locked in. You sure you understand simple English? Want a grammar lesson?
And no, you don't necessarily need to have a better grappler to have someone who will latch onto you. But you do need to have some knowledge of positions in order to make it less likely to be thwarted
Ok lemme explain to you in simple terms, because you are after all a simpleton. You said you can't bite out of an armbar. I said "while armbarring" is a wrong assumption to make because you have to get it first. I'm talking about biting or doing whatever BEFORE it happens. Do you understand plain english? Ya dumb white picket fence. Christ almighty.
I understand that you just said while armbarring means before the armbar is locked in, which would make sense, and then immediately after said while armbarring means when the armbar is locked in, which doesn't. So which is it haha?
Because of the way they train they are physical specimans its all about going at a fast pace trying to over power your opponent bjj guys cant compete with them.
That's right. Who ever disses other arts has not yet grasped the true meaning of martial arts. I am a UFC fan but I dont consider it a martial art. To me martial arts is respect of life, respect of others, respect of my masters, respect of my styles, respect for other styles and working to better both my body and my mind. Mastery, dedication & good spirit get my respect.
flawless my ass. It can only be used vs 1 opponent only. It is virtually useless self defense vs multiple opponents. Real life fight works in every way. The real weakness of jujitsu is when opponent punch his balls. Game over. People dont fight on the floor, friend.
this is stupid. the kungfu fighter should have fvckin slam his face before gracie can take him down. Anyone would to like to fight vs jujitsu? well, punch his balls, he is over.
ferwoo, u can't type proper english. your probably german or some fuckin' thing. and your retarted. when one of the gracie bros wants to take u down, he will, really fast. and then break your arms one @ a time, so u can't punch. then a choke of some kind comes into play. and blows to the head. till your rendered unconcious. that simple. haha
which part of my sentence confuses, you my little cocksucker. Stop sucking gracie's family dicks and face the fact you little fucking asshole. You dont write good english sentence yourself, bitch. . No one fights on the ground. I can and will fucking smash your balls if you do so. The game is over, bitch. Use your brain not your dick.
@lennon005 stop sucking to gracie's family you man whore. I cant type proper english uh? well, whos the fucked up who cant spell retarded properly. Go back and cry to mama, you lil slut.
Did anyone notice that the kung-fu fighter in the video is Jason DeLucia?
If you don't know him, he built up his grappling game by working out with Ken Shamrock after meeting in Pancrase (a Japanese MMA league). He also fought in the UFC on one card, but was defeated by Royce. DeLucia used this same hold (the triangle choke) to defeat his first opponent the exact same way in the preliminaries, but later lost to Royce by armbar.
bjj is one weapon worth having in your martial arts bundle...very effective against one opponent...bruce lee always said to take what is good and leave te rest, he also emphasised that when you are in a fight without rules " then baby you have to train all your muscles and body parts so hard" so he already in his time knew this shit..and its not the art that rules but the fighter, how he handles and fights...respect to all
BJJ is effective against more than one opponent. When five guys are trying to beat you up, they're not just going to stand in a line and try to box you individually. Some of them will probably try to grab you or take you down, and that is where BJJ will help you.
No, I'm not saying that you should try for a takedown.
someone has a point here because if you are good a BJJ and have to face 5 guys, I would think kung-fu would be more usefull during such situation. Like, how could someone great as Royce grab 5 guys at the same time?
The problem is (Besides the fact that a lot of kung-fu doesn't train with aliveness) that multiple opponents will still grab you and force you to the ground where they can stomp you. The kung-fu fighters that Royce faced where vulnerable to his horrible takedowns, so I think they'll also be vulnerable to 5 guys trying to take them down.
2-5 guys will try to pummel you, standing or on the ground. They're not trying to make you "tapout." Since they can't all attack at once, you circle away so you're not surrounded, ensuring that only one or two of them ever has a straight shot at you. A bjj artist will get murdered by two guys because his advantage is smothering/exhausting the opponennt till he gets his submission. The Kung-fu or other martial artists can at least keep them at bay (and himself alive) if not hurt a few of them.
It depends on the situation bastardluv. There are many ways to get a submission. In this, Gracie is not doing anything extreme as evident by his display when he gets a triangle at the end. In a multiple man fight there is an obvious advantage regardless of martial discipline. In the context of Bjj, im sure gracie would be using submissions and moves that were made to kill and badly injure. These can happen quickly, and leg submissions can do a lot of damage, It all depends on the situation.
One thing you're forgetting is that a lot of kung-fu stylists don't train in an alive manner. It's true that multiple opponents won't try to make you tap out, but they also won't pull their punches like most kung-fu people do in training.
Another thing you're forgetting is that multiple opponents can still grapple. A kung-fu guy can't handle one bad grappler, how is he going to handle 5 (And that includes if they try to utilize that lip-service bullshit of "keeping them at bay")?
True that bastardluv.....bjj is only meant for conditioned environment...otherwise, the in the streets it may help, but you can't really count on it...better to learn the street fighting system of Kali, a well rounded art, from ground to stand up, to multiple opponents, what else is better than the art of killing the opponent of whatever else is available, with the minimal effort and in a little time?
We can see that Brazilian Jujitsu is great against one individual opponent in a cage, but unfortunately we do not have that option just to defense ourselves against one attacker at all times. Show us how Brazilian Jujitsu stand against 2 or 3 fighters from other MMA.
1. fight's take place on concrete. try throwing yourself and rolling on that.
2. street fights don't occur in rings.(bjj fighters wait till you're against a rope and then dives for your legs. real fights go down stairs, over garbage, off curbs, onto the street, into lamp posts)
3. street fights aren't fair. Can a bjj fighter defend against multiple attackers? no
i take bjj, but i have no silly notion that it is the best or complete in itself.
yeah bjj is only affective 1 on 1, if you're being attacked by a group of people its better if you know kung fu, but like i said 1 on 1, bjj is probably more effective
it's only more effective in 1on 1if the fight takes place in a definite, enclosed area. Even in the video, joyce couldn't do anything until he got the kung fu guy's back against the wall.
also, if you've seen many street fights, most crowds break it up once it becomes a humpfest on the ground for more than a minute. What do you do then? beat up everyone around you who wants to the see the stand up punch fest?
No arguments, 1 on 1, in a ring my money on bjj. but only in those condiotions.
i agree. most proffesional fighters today, especially those in MMA, would have few problems against bruce lee. he was an actor and is overrated by kids who has seen too many kungfu movies
I'm not criticizing Gracie.. I'm saying that this "kung fu - expert" doesn't know REAL kung fu.. He doesn't even have a proper stance. Kung fu is imitation of animals (tiger-style, monkey-style etc.) This guy obviously doesn't use any real kung fu..
do u even know what REAL kung fu is? there are many styles of kung fu not only animal imitations, u watch to much kung fu movies and know little of the real art.
lol its amazing how so many people can talk shit over their little keyboards, say that shit to their faces? and also if a experienced ju jitsu fighter wants to take you to the ground no matter what kung fu shit you know your ass is goin down
Really? then why dont they fight in pride? in ufc? in k1? ohh thats right cause kung fu is too dangerous right? yup thats exactly it, and that WAS a fung fu master you moron, if you look up the guy he fought he has a kung fu instructor who was bigger then royce.
i just see some Judoka Yoshida ,nearly chokes royce gracie to death ! i also see Kimora chokes the father of royce but it doesnt mean that Judo is better so for all BJJ guys no doubt the Gracies are good fighters so there is not such a thing as thise martial arts is better than the other.
neomauresque 2 years ago 3
i never drag out bjj situations. i would have gone for the initial rear choke, otherwise i think its shameful....
monsterofmuaythai 2 years ago
its simple-if go to the ground with a BBJ master like royce the fight is over!
evertime
MMA dominates
Beenie0085 2 years ago
Why is it that every time someone is pitted against one of the Gracie's they have "15 years of experience" in their style? I've looked at four or five videos that use that exact same phrasing.
StormRaven 2 years ago
Oh sorry there cryingindian, I thought Royce was the non Brazillian way of saying Hoyce, sorry again mate. Tobaziam
Tobaziam 2 years ago
these fucking "fight" is like the elementary school fight hahahahaha
juanradeli 2 years ago
Hoyce G' challenger had Hoyce G in a neck hold hence Hoyce G' constant hitting in the same spot, to make Challenger change hold, (of which he done) BJJ in not about speed but technique, but if speed presents itself,
This is the first video I have seen where Hoyce G is in THIS victory stance of sorts.
A Verbal Tapout.
Tobaziam 2 years ago
its royce dude :)
cryingindian 2 years ago
the wall helped him take the kung fu user down,ive never saw a bjj user fighting in open space area..i mean they rely alot on walls and cages in ufc (for what ive seen so far) im just wondering...maybe the kung fu user would have been a better oponent in an open space area..
BeerIShGood 2 years ago
well royce had him and pushed against the wall it wasnt like the kung fu guy walked into it himself. I think because royce had already established control he would have simply swept him.
cryingindian 2 years ago
Dun get urself any excuses if u wish to improve.
bibihang 2 years ago
allthough the gracies are great fighters i never liked them.... i mean for what reason did he have to hit him all the time and make the fight longer and more painfull? he could of made the choke and finished him
daChef1992 2 years ago
To Royce's credit.. that kung fu guy really thought he was a bad ass. He knew better after the fight.
PandawdyBob 2 years ago
there are no "tricks"!!! there are not 20 or 30 moves in jj,there are always more than u think.dont think that its just picking a good kickboxer and train jiu jiutsu with him and bang there u have your machine
drmak3r 2 years ago
royce was just lucky his opponents didnt know bjj
he wouldnt have a chance against todays ufc fighters. hell even matt hughes dominated and out jiu-jitsued him
metalhead33 2 years ago
You are right that once everyone learned the tricks of bjj it became a whole new ball game.
talon115 2 years ago
its a brawl no matter how you look at it
srcasteve 2 years ago
they should honestly just stop the practice of allowing people with less than a certain IQ to post comments on Youtube. The past few pages tell the story of 2 men who have spent entire days thinking of synonyms for what amounts to 'doody head'.
turdferguson2 2 years ago 3
thats fucked up
he was just toying with the kung fu guy haha
Garbonzo07 2 years ago
"...gracie also taught elf defence buddy" LOL. I wanna learn elf defense. Might work against fairies...
123brownboy 2 years ago
kung fu expert my ass..this guy couldnt even keep gracie from hugging him..cant fight for shit..how the hell are u fighting somebody and u gonna let that person hug you?..its so easy to fight grappling guys..all you do is use your jab, keep the opponent in your distance and on his feet and dont go to the ground with him..and most importantly use your INTELLIGENCE and THINK when you are fighting
dragonboy401 2 years ago
You've never faced any decent grappler have you?
mooki69 2 years ago
Let's step back and be real for a sec. Neither Jason nor Royce are great in this vid. Jason can't move away from Royce and Royce barrels in with his head down. He could have easily eaten fists and knees against someone who knows how to counter that. BJJ techniques for closing the gap aren't as great as those found in wrestling.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Gun Fu lol
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
When the fight get closer and in then on the ground, what if the the kung fu man bites the ear of Gracie off or bites his throught or stick a finger into gracies ' eyes ?
neomauresque 2 years ago
Would be very very Gay.
BloodySvarti 2 years ago
It's funny how techniques that actually work against a grappler are considered "GAY". Dishonorable in a rules-based fight perhaps but biting is a very effective and viable tactic in the real world. In fact there is a Filipino subsystem of Kali known as Kina Mutai which teaches how to latch onto your opponent and bite continuously without him shaking you off. Eye gouging, pinching and even weapons in grappling is not uncommon. Grapplers should be wary of getting stabbed to death in the street
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
As well as a kung fu guy can bite, pinch and blabla, a grappler can do it too, and from a better position.
BloodySvarti 2 years ago
not really. Grapplers are not trained to bite, they are trained to submit. Biting is a science in grappling. You have to be able to position yourself to bite continuously WITHOUT the grappler breaking you off. There are also certain spots that are excruciatingly painful and tender from a bite. You can't just bite anywhere and expect the same reaction.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
??. Bite your hand. Then you tell me if it hurts.
BloodySvarti 2 years ago
Yes it hurts but it can be shaken off. If I latch onto you with no space and bite your pecs or the top of your shoulder, and you can't break me off, its much worse.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
And then I take your eye or your ear.
BloodySvarti 2 years ago
U can still be interrupted. My point is there r ways of thwarting or maiming a grappler without getting shaken off. You know the only gay one is you becuz ur so willing to bend over for grappling. Ur also a fucking hypocrite cuz u call these techniques gay one min then claim they can be used by grapplers the next. If u find them gay DON'T USE THEM. It's not something they teach you in class anyway. Stick with ur non-gay stuff and I'll stick with mine. BUT DON'T INSULT THEM.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
lmao!! my arm has been bitten by a kid who tried getting out of a choke, he even attempted hurting my groin and puling my hair! i just got more pissed off and choked him nearly unconscious until i was pulled off. i will agree these are useful somewhat in a fight.......if youre a fag. its pretty sad when you have to rely on gutless shit like that to beat another man. if i wanted to i coulda bit that kids ear off or gouged his eyes out. your only hope is a cheapshot. ill still submit you.
foottothroat21 2 years ago
Did that make you feel good? Choking a kid in a fight who was probably less skilled than you? Get a good rush? One kid does not represent us all. Ur a fucking idiot and a blockhead. MMA is perfect for blockheads like you because you don't have to think, you react without thinking and you only know 1 or 2 ways of dealing with something. When someone tries to shed some light or teach you something you laugh and call the technique "gay".
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Biting is done from the guard, side, back or full mount. You know zero about Kina Mutai or grappling in conditions like weapons. I hope you find out the hard way. While you're busy pulling guard one day on the street, that "fag" with the "cheap" shots pulls a knife and opens your femoral artery up and you bleed to death. Then you won't be laughing will you?
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
LMAO!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im getting a lesson in biting!!!! hahahahahahahah....hhahaha.....haha....ha.......haha...........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! why the fuck would i need to study biting or weapon fighting? i do not consider that real life i have no purpose in learning that. that is a weak weak weak excuse for bjj being a real world martial art and better then any of that kung fu fag shit. haha the shit you guys come up with and the denial is unbearably funny
foottothroat21 2 years ago
Typical idiot response. Any half-brain would know real life is not what you see on TV or try to copy on your buddies.
Enough said. You'll need to know how to bite a pillow when your bf fucks you tonight.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
its hilarious that your martial art cant save you from bjj whch you claim is so shitty, but somehow your gay kicks will save you from a weapon. gracie also taught elf defence buddy. i cant beleive the cheap ass excuses you come up with. YOUR GUY LOST!!! suck it up bjj is actually useful in a street fight, your gay kicks and karate chops wont do shit. your only excuse "oh hair pulling groin shots weapons" gimme a fucking break lmao you guys are such fucking posers. im actually laughin so hard now
foottothroat21 2 years ago
Yea I'm sure BJJ is great for mass attacks. You're a fucking loser and a tool and a nuthugger. You have no concept of reality so it's like talking to a wall. Sorry fuckface, I take BJJ too as well as other styles so I'm not pro-kung fu or anything. Stay stupid, it's what you're good at.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA.......hahahahahahaa.......haha.....ha...............HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....so kung fu cant protect you from one guy you get beat down yet now its gunna save your life against a group of guys. you kung fu homos are in such denial. look at how useless your art is against something thats actually effective. your only excuse is weapons and cheap shots oh that would make it so wed win. HAHA reality? you guys are such fucking losers man your shit sucks and is fake and useless
foottothroat21 2 years ago
uh fuckstick nobody mentioned kung fu and I wasn't for it. Motherfucker, can't you read? Get your bf's cum off your lips and ears and learn to comprehend shit. You're a fucking loser who will go nowhere except into a box. Sit at home and keep choking your chicken.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Biting is bullshit. Try biting your way out of an armbar, see how far it gets. Having had it doen to me, you would have to be a complete pussy to give up a dominate position is someone but you.
CJMist 2 years ago
I like how you just joined Youtube, never watched a single video except for this one and right away you open your trap. Makes me wonder who you might be.
Tell you what, I'll sic my pitbull on you and you can armbar him while he rips your flesh off. Tell me if that's bullshit.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
No I didn't, I joined and commented on a totally different video.
Pitbulls aren't people.
CJMist 2 years ago
I see your dopey comment below...what totally different video are you talking about? Dude, if there's one thing I hate more than BJJ blabbermouths, it's liars. I wasn't born yesterday k.
No no no, u yes u said biting is bullshit, so dogs (like most animals) have teeth and they bite. Come over here and let me see how well you deal with getting mauled. Here's your flaw: you have to actually get the armbar first. Lay you 10 to 1 you'll suffer near amputation and no armbar to show for it.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Heres your flaw, dogs don't have arms you retard.
My god, generally people who don't get grappling are stupid, but this takes it to a whole new level.
As for the video thing, just go on my profile and check recent arctivity. God damn you are stupid.
CJMist 2 years ago
Yea and it says you just joined, have viewd 0 videos and made comments to this video and the Tank Abbott one. Gosh, that's A LOT.
I study BJJ and Judo too nitwit so yes I "GET" grappling but I also realize it's shortcomings. Not blinded like you fucknut.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
So, what you are saying is you were wrong, stupid to call me a liar, and feels like an idiot? Cool?
Fucknut? You are the one who just advocated armbarring a dog, an animal that has no arms. I guess there is a shortcoming of BJJ, it isn't magical.
CJMist 2 years ago
I'm not wrong, you are. You're an effing liar who hides behind a new Youtube account. And no, I don't feel like you.
Dogs have joints too and you can break em with your incredible BJJ surefire armbarring skills. But let's forget about the multiple bite wounds because those are ok.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Yes you are. You thought I was someone who talked to you earlier, started a new account and that my first comment was here. You were wrong.
I am having difficulty believeing anyone is this stupid. Dogs front leg joints point in the OPPOSITE direction on peoples arms. Do you not understand basic leverages? You can't armbar smething that isn't an arm. I can;t even believe I am explaining to someone why you can't armbar an animal with no elbows.....pathetic.
CJMist 2 years ago
This is what I got from your Youtube profile...so I'm not wrong. Even so, you're pretty much the same. The dog shit don't fall far from the dog's ass.
REALLY? wow. That must be one strange dog then with elbow joints that point forwards, not backwards. LMAO. You need a bone chart or something? You never ever heard of a dog's elbow? Elbow dysplasia perhaps? Try learning science before BJJ...try to excel at ONE thing in life.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Yes you are. My youtube profile said I commeneted on a video before this one. You said this was the first video I commented on. You are wrong.
Are you stupid? I didn't say the elbow joit points forward not backwards, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean I said "Dogs front leg joints point in the OPPOSITE direction on peoples arms" Do you understand how thats different?
CJMist 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Doesn't matter, 1 video is still nothing and its clear u joined just give your dumb opinion to me. What a loser, just come clean already.
I'm through explaining canine anatomy to you. Nearly every terrestrial animal, especially tetrapods have the same body plan and that includes similar joint structure. Learn it. A human elbow points backwards as does the dog. Not opposite which is forwards.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Yes. I joined just to tell you my opinion. Then to cover my tracks, I posted a comment on an entirely seperate video, waited an entire day, and pounced. You figured out the conspiracy, want a scooby snack? You are a genius, do you work a s a detective oer chance?
And I didn't say the joint was opposite. READ "Dogs front leg joints point in the OPPOSITE direction on peoples arms" Understand how that is different, and how it related to armbars not being applicable to dogs you retard?
CJMist 2 years ago
Why DID u join? Go away. Go comment on weightlifting videos or something. Shoo shoo.
You and your dumb opinion and stupid semantics...opposite, opposite direction, wtf does it matter. My elbow joint points backwards or towards the back. So by your logic, the dog's elbow joint points the opposite way which is towards the front. Maybe your dog does, in that case you should take him to a vet immediately or maybe he's just as stupid as you.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Why did I join? Why to tell you my opinion, like you said, my master plan to hide that obviously failed. YOU are the sole reason I joined duh, but you already figured that out.
And it makes a difference because it means you can't armbar a dog you stupid prick.
lol at your insults. Belly ring, your dog is stupid.....hahaha. Go worry about someone biting your nipples while you try to armbar them Judo ad BJJ master, and keep practicing those armbars on your pitbull,
CJMist 2 years ago
Dumbshit, I used the dog as an example of something that bites. Only a mental midget like you would try to armbar it.
My insults are 100X better than your best point, which is dog have elbows that point to the front. Go back to grade school and get a formal education. Better yet, get a fucking job you fucking loser. Stop leeching off your mom and dad and pretending to be some BJJ streetfighter. You're a zero and a nobody.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
I never said anyhting about dogs haveing forward pointing elboaws hahah.
"My insults are 100x better..." ahahahah U mad?
I never said I was a BJJ streetfighter you silly man. I don't even practice BJJ.
CJMist 2 years ago
Dude just shut the fuck up already and go back to school. You don't know shit and you have the logic of a 5 year old. If you say the dog's elbow points the opposite direction of a human's than by INFERENCE that means it points towards the front. The front meaning where the head is looking. Are you THAT fucking stupid that you don't understand your own statement?
You're a fucking loser who picks fights with other losers in the street. If you don't have any BJJ background then fuck off.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
And there you have it. "don't understand your own opinion"
Lol. Although I shouldn't expect more from someone who decided to bring up the analogy of armbaring a dog haha.
CJMist 2 years ago
I didn't say opinion I said your own statement, can't you effing read you backwards hillbilly.
What're you lol and haha-ing about? Why are you laughing at your own stuff? It's nowhere remotely close to being witty or funny. You remind me of those autistic retard kids with the helmets who smile and laugh for no apparent reason.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
I'm not, i am laughing at you, and have been this whole time, dog-armbarer.
CJMist 2 years ago
Glad you enjoy my insults and jokes, but they're really about you. It's good to see you finally have a sense of humor and can laugh about your own stupidity.
don't know why you're so obsessed with the point about dogs. Maybe you suck em off or something. Seriously it's a dead issue and half-beaten to death. You made a blatantly dopey statement and that's it. Just accept it, being retarded isn't so bad. You can probably get laid from another retard bitch some day. Drooling isn't so bad.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
See this is why it is so hilarious. "I am laughing at you" and you come back with that. Thats hilarious. You basically just said "I know you are but what am I" Are you 12?
"Maybe you suck em off or somethign"-Your desperation is delicious.
Hey a Labrador came after me a few minutes ago, luckily I was able to transition to a kneebar and ta him out. Whew, good thing BJJ saved the day, although I am pro-samurai-streetfighter of course.
CJMist 2 years ago
It's fitting because you have the mentality of a 12 year old. How else can I can I communicate with you. I tried 5 times to make you understand the error of your dog elbow statement and the cheese in your ears prevented that from filtering in.
ok so you don't suck them off, maybe you fuck dogs. Being a retarded zoophile wannabe-BJJer isn't that bad either. There is a place for you in this world.
Cute Lab story but your timing is off. Strange thing is I actually believe u would do that.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
BWAHAHa. And you do it again! I can only imagine the complex workings of yor brain "He just implied I was a 12 year old. Must.....think......of....comeback.....Eureka! "You have the mentality of a 12 year old". Wow, I showed him, Now I will talk about dog fucking some more since I have a strange fixation on that, and I am the one who brought up dogs in the first place."
Yeah, I agree, you seem like the kind of person who would believe a story about someone kneebarring a labrador to be honest,
CJMist 2 years ago
Oh yea I admit I'm pretty complex next to a simpleton such as yourself. Anybody is compared to you. Even an amoeba.
You should try working your brain sometime, might help you grow up and get out of being a dripping blob of snot. Make your mommy and daddy proud.
Yes I'd believe you would actually do that to the Lab. It's no story, you're the kind of doofus that would actually do that.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Yes, I should try "working my brain." so I can come up with amazing analogies like attempting to armbar a pitbull to show BJJ doesn't work because people can bite. I must attempt to rise to these amazing intellectual standards.
Yes, I really kneebarred a labrador.
CJMist 2 years ago
yes really...you should be ashamed of yourself. Do some puzzles or something, like figure out how you were born from two fruity dads or something. Oh BJJ doesn't work in many more circumstances but explaining that to you is like explaining heaven to a frog. Oh what am I saying, u don't study BJJ, ur just a piker, a poser, a fake. Fuck you.
Just screw the Lab already, why knee bar it? If you want something bad enough, take it by force.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Now I am a "frog" haha. And you can't seem to get off the topic of Zoophilia.
Yes, I should be ashamed of myself. You are a genius.
CJMist 2 years ago
yes you should be ashamed. You've turned into a dumb version of Ed McMahon...haha-ing and hee-heeing for no reason and reciting whatever I say like a machine. In short you have nothing else to say after your incredible dog-has-no-elbow point and are attempting to cover your ineptitude.
What a sad lowlife worm you are.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
I'm not hahaing and heheing for no reason, I am hahain and heheing because you thought a person armbarring a pitbull was a good analogy, and because since then you have come out with a huge quantity of insults and piss poor comebacks with no basis in anyhting that has been said here. Which is all hilarious in a pathetic way.
CJMist 2 years ago
If that's your reason then you never had a reason. It wasn't meant to be funny yet you haha for no reason. The insults are serious and aren't funny either. Piss poor based against what? Your stupid dog elbow argument? That's pretty piss poor even for me. How does a grown piece of shit like you make that simple error? I should be laughing not you. You laugh because you have nothing to say and laughing is just a filler for your ability to say nothing. I should stick a helmet on you, tard.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
"It wasn't meant to be funny"
"The insults are serious"
This is why it is funny. It is funny because you are legitimately trying and taking this so seriously. Internetz srs busnez
It's also funny because you know absolutely nothing about me, and have resorted to saying things like "You fuck dogs" and "you have two fruity dads" in a desperate attempt to.......in fact I am not even sure what you are trying to do, but it is hilarious.
CJMist 2 years ago
I actually don't care much, but I enjoy putting my bait out there just so nitwits like you can bite (biting is bs) and take the bait, hook, line and sinker.
Yes you fuck dogs and you have two fruity dads, so what. I don't care to know much about you. All I know is your the idiot who thinks dogs' elbows are reversed. What a doofus. Probably the biggest doofus I've ever encountered on here.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Yes you are. You just said that the insults are serious. And you have been replying all day. You clearly care about this a lot.
Where did I say dogs elbows are reversed again?
CJMist 2 years ago
Do you also believe in fairies, other than you dad of course. I can say whatever I want and however I want. I can mean what I say and say what I mean. Like I said, you bite like a bitch, hook line and sinker. Very feisty I must say.
use the scroll bar and figure out where you said what you said. Again, nitpicking at specific words isn't going to change anything but I'll give you an A for effort.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Yes, I am very feisty. That is why I have decided to make up insults about your father, or fathers, and strangely about how you like to have sex with animals.
I cans mean what I says.
CJMist 2 years ago
That's good news. I know this guy who'll love you. He loves the feisty types. He also has a pony which I'm sure you'll enjoy. You can practice your gay pseudo-BJJ on it.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
So what you are saying is that you know a gay gay, who loves fesity types, who has a pony he is willing to allow peolpe to engage in sexual realtions with?
You must have been hanging around the gay personals on craiglist a long time to get that catch.
CJMist 2 years ago
No he's in prison actually but if gay personals on craigslist is what you want then so be it. He especially digs big saggy jiggly white boy asses like yours.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
I'm 190lbs at 6ft. I'm hardly big. Guess i'm not his type. Oh well.
CJMist 2 years ago
well now wait a min. That don't add up. You're definitely lugging extra cellulite in there somewhere. You got a caboose. He loves them spoon-shaped bottom-heavy pockmarked rumps like yours.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
You sure know an awful lot about your friends sexual preferences. I can't imagine all that was listed on his craiglist, so it must be personal experience.
CJMist 2 years ago
Yea your dad tells me everything...uh...oops...can't believe I just blurted that out. It was supposed to be a secret. Arggggh.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
So which father is it you are having a gay relationship with?
CJMist 2 years ago
I dunno, ur the one with the homo incest issues at home.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
You have become stale and repetitive.
Look back over the comments and see if you are proud how you spent your day. Goodbye forever fuckface!
CJMist 2 years ago
I've become you?? I can multitask and do several different things at once. One of them is to waste your stupid time.
LMAO...yea okay good riddance Mr. 6 foot tall Loser
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
white boy asses like yours? What the fuck is going on in this page? Are you a racist and a faggot?
justbass4 2 years ago
you'll have to scroll all the back and read to get everything in the right context. No I'm not a racist, but yes u r a faggot.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Oh, good one. Cool, well, when you say shit like "You're a dumb ass white guy" then what do expect? It's be like if I called you a stupid nigger along with having already stated that you suck dick for acceptance and then expecting a black person not to get offended. "OH," I could say, "You haven't read my other posts!" I bet you wish hoyce would sit on you're face don't you? come on, admit it.
justbass4 2 years ago
The most dangerous people are the ones who go berserk. I've seen kid at junior high school, literally tear the flesh off a bully's arm because he literally went apeshit from the torment. The bully could not punch or pull him off and was so shocked from the outburst he was shaking. The kid was not trained in anything. He simply snapped
U assume too much. U assume you're definitely getting an arm. U assume the other person abides by your rules. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Are you retarded? I am telling you, I have been bitten before, while armbarring someone, and it posed absolutely no problem. Do I still have scars on my thigh and ass years later? Hell yes. Was in any point in any danger, or felt I had to let go of the arm? Not a chance.
I don't assume anything. Anyone can bite or gouge. The guy able to take you down, get into mount and start choking your ass can do it a whole lot better.
CJMist 2 years ago
WHILE armbarring is your problem. I'm talking before, do it proactively. Biting uninterrupted from a position where you can't be shaken off. Nobody can fight off a technique that's fully sunk in.
No you assume waay too much and have conditioned your thinking waay too much.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
What the hell do you mean while armbarring? You worried about someone biting your belly while they are in your guard haha? You clearly do not study BJJ or Judo, there is no "while armbarring" in either.
A grappler won't be pput in a position where his opponent cannot be shaking off, unless by. OH GOSH a better grappler.
CJMist 2 years ago
Oh you should worry about someone biting your belly, not me. I don't wear a belly ring like you. As for "while armbarring" it means once the armbar is fully locked in. You sure you understand simple English? Want a grammar lesson?
And no, you don't necessarily need to have a better grappler to have someone who will latch onto you. But you do need to have some knowledge of positions in order to make it less likely to be thwarted
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
"while armbarring" means when an armbar is fully locked in? Yet 10 minutes ago here it means before you do it.
"WHILE armbarring is your problem. I'm talking before, do it proactively"
I think you need a not contradicting yourself lesson :)
CJMist 2 years ago
Ok lemme explain to you in simple terms, because you are after all a simpleton. You said you can't bite out of an armbar. I said "while armbarring" is a wrong assumption to make because you have to get it first. I'm talking about biting or doing whatever BEFORE it happens. Do you understand plain english? Ya dumb white picket fence. Christ almighty.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
I understand that you just said while armbarring means before the armbar is locked in, which would make sense, and then immediately after said while armbarring means when the armbar is locked in, which doesn't. So which is it haha?
CJMist 2 years ago
jui jitsu will always be the dominant style in mma, everyone knows that shit. they don't fuck around.
lennon005 2 years ago
wrestling man
yellowmon123 2 years ago
what about wrestling man? wtf makes wrestling so dangerous. no chokes or armbars allowed? faggots rolling around. ha
lennon005 2 years ago
Because of the way they train they are physical specimans its all about going at a fast pace trying to over power your opponent bjj guys cant compete with them.
yellowmon123 2 years ago
Que elegante manera de luchar , espera a los movimientos del oponente y aprovecha el mas minimo error para atacar BUENA ROYCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ryckisoccer10 2 years ago
It's never which martial art is better. It fully depends on the mastery of the specific martial art..
ynot1688 2 years ago
That's right. Who ever disses other arts has not yet grasped the true meaning of martial arts. I am a UFC fan but I dont consider it a martial art. To me martial arts is respect of life, respect of others, respect of my masters, respect of my styles, respect for other styles and working to better both my body and my mind. Mastery, dedication & good spirit get my respect.
asimov231 2 years ago
you are in the right path.
with all the respect to you!
ynot1688 2 years ago
gracie jui jitsu is flawless.
this proves it.
lennon005 2 years ago
flawless my ass. It can only be used vs 1 opponent only. It is virtually useless self defense vs multiple opponents. Real life fight works in every way. The real weakness of jujitsu is when opponent punch his balls. Game over. People dont fight on the floor, friend.
ferwoo 2 years ago
ok asshole, imagine 4 brazilian jui jitsu experts against 4 idiots like u. who do you think would survive?
lennon005 2 years ago
u r a total goof
lennon005 2 years ago
this is stupid. the kungfu fighter should have fvckin slam his face before gracie can take him down. Anyone would to like to fight vs jujitsu? well, punch his balls, he is over.
ferwoo 2 years ago
ferwoo, u can't type proper english. your probably german or some fuckin' thing. and your retarted. when one of the gracie bros wants to take u down, he will, really fast. and then break your arms one @ a time, so u can't punch. then a choke of some kind comes into play. and blows to the head. till your rendered unconcious. that simple. haha
lennon005 2 years ago
which part of my sentence confuses, you my little cocksucker. Stop sucking gracie's family dicks and face the fact you little fucking asshole. You dont write good english sentence yourself, bitch. . No one fights on the ground. I can and will fucking smash your balls if you do so. The game is over, bitch. Use your brain not your dick.
ferwoo 2 years ago
@lennon005 stop sucking to gracie's family you man whore. I cant type proper english uh? well, whos the fucked up who cant spell retarded properly. Go back and cry to mama, you lil slut.
ferwoo 8 months ago
I didn't see any Kung Fu from yellow trunk but I saw wanna be Bruce Lee side kick.I think he must see all Bruce Lee's movies.
54living 2 years ago
i dont see any kung fu in there
teck209777 2 years ago
2:27 - "the kung fu representative is totally helpless" :)
idl4587 3 years ago
To ellorada
You are wrong buddy!!!! F-U-C-K-I-N-G wrong!!!!!!
Try this! Go on main street against a BJJ figther, no rules, no time, no judge, no NADA!!!!!! And see how far you can get!
Than, you talk about specific environment.
mxz0107 3 years ago
Did anyone notice that the kung-fu fighter in the video is Jason DeLucia?
If you don't know him, he built up his grappling game by working out with Ken Shamrock after meeting in Pancrase (a Japanese MMA league). He also fought in the UFC on one card, but was defeated by Royce. DeLucia used this same hold (the triangle choke) to defeat his first opponent the exact same way in the preliminaries, but later lost to Royce by armbar.
whitecoffee71 3 years ago
bjj is one weapon worth having in your martial arts bundle...very effective against one opponent...bruce lee always said to take what is good and leave te rest, he also emphasised that when you are in a fight without rules " then baby you have to train all your muscles and body parts so hard" so he already in his time knew this shit..and its not the art that rules but the fighter, how he handles and fights...respect to all
badassforever 3 years ago
BJJ is effective against more than one opponent. When five guys are trying to beat you up, they're not just going to stand in a line and try to box you individually. Some of them will probably try to grab you or take you down, and that is where BJJ will help you.
No, I'm not saying that you should try for a takedown.
Theyellowma 3 years ago
someone has a point here because if you are good a BJJ and have to face 5 guys, I would think kung-fu would be more usefull during such situation. Like, how could someone great as Royce grab 5 guys at the same time?
HanPro 2 years ago
The problem is (Besides the fact that a lot of kung-fu doesn't train with aliveness) that multiple opponents will still grab you and force you to the ground where they can stomp you. The kung-fu fighters that Royce faced where vulnerable to his horrible takedowns, so I think they'll also be vulnerable to 5 guys trying to take them down.
Theyellowma 2 years ago
2-5 guys will try to pummel you, standing or on the ground. They're not trying to make you "tapout." Since they can't all attack at once, you circle away so you're not surrounded, ensuring that only one or two of them ever has a straight shot at you. A bjj artist will get murdered by two guys because his advantage is smothering/exhausting the opponennt till he gets his submission. The Kung-fu or other martial artists can at least keep them at bay (and himself alive) if not hurt a few of them.
bastardluv 2 years ago
It depends on the situation bastardluv. There are many ways to get a submission. In this, Gracie is not doing anything extreme as evident by his display when he gets a triangle at the end. In a multiple man fight there is an obvious advantage regardless of martial discipline. In the context of Bjj, im sure gracie would be using submissions and moves that were made to kill and badly injure. These can happen quickly, and leg submissions can do a lot of damage, It all depends on the situation.
mad3rab 2 years ago
multiple opponents DONT GO TO THE GROUND i did this not to long ago and something terrible happend
yellowmon123 2 years ago
Dude that's MMA (Mixed Marshel Arts) Royce's style.
you suppose to go to the ground...
that's the whole idea!
BTW why did u "went to the ground"?
xToHeal 2 years ago
huh i dont know i panicked and he said he would kill me one on one so i took him down then they all jumped on me.
yellowmon123 2 years ago
One thing you're forgetting is that a lot of kung-fu stylists don't train in an alive manner. It's true that multiple opponents won't try to make you tap out, but they also won't pull their punches like most kung-fu people do in training.
Another thing you're forgetting is that multiple opponents can still grapple. A kung-fu guy can't handle one bad grappler, how is he going to handle 5 (And that includes if they try to utilize that lip-service bullshit of "keeping them at bay")?
Theyellowma 2 years ago
Theyellowma ,
hit the throat and slice hard the back of the neck on the grappler.
router01234567 2 years ago
You wanna kill the guy your hrapping?
xToHeal 2 years ago
xToHeal,
"wanna kill the guy your hrapping? "
I watched Royce in UC. He is great fighter of all time.
Now aday Killing by using a gun. Kung Fu is more for exerce.
router01234567 2 years ago
True that bastardluv.....bjj is only meant for conditioned environment...otherwise, the in the streets it may help, but you can't really count on it...better to learn the street fighting system of Kali, a well rounded art, from ground to stand up, to multiple opponents, what else is better than the art of killing the opponent of whatever else is available, with the minimal effort and in a little time?
ellorada1 3 years ago
We can see that Brazilian Jujitsu is great against one individual opponent in a cage, but unfortunately we do not have that option just to defense ourselves against one attacker at all times. Show us how Brazilian Jujitsu stand against 2 or 3 fighters from other MMA.
Morodok 3 years ago
Show any art stand up to 2 or 3 fighters. The only one which could possibly result in survival a high percentage of the time is Run-Fu
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago 2
somethings bjj practioners don't acknowledge.
1. fight's take place on concrete. try throwing yourself and rolling on that.
2. street fights don't occur in rings.(bjj fighters wait till you're against a rope and then dives for your legs. real fights go down stairs, over garbage, off curbs, onto the street, into lamp posts)
3. street fights aren't fair. Can a bjj fighter defend against multiple attackers? no
i take bjj, but i have no silly notion that it is the best or complete in itself.
bastardluv 3 years ago 2
yeah bjj is only affective 1 on 1, if you're being attacked by a group of people its better if you know kung fu, but like i said 1 on 1, bjj is probably more effective
uchoo786 3 years ago
it's only more effective in 1on 1if the fight takes place in a definite, enclosed area. Even in the video, joyce couldn't do anything until he got the kung fu guy's back against the wall.
also, if you've seen many street fights, most crowds break it up once it becomes a humpfest on the ground for more than a minute. What do you do then? beat up everyone around you who wants to the see the stand up punch fest?
No arguments, 1 on 1, in a ring my money on bjj. but only in those condiotions.
bastardluv 3 years ago
bruce lee is famous because he appear in a lot of movie... but I can tell you that royce gracie could easily defeat to bruce lee
javiersaravia 3 years ago
you're an ass. Have you ever read any of bruce's writing or his jkd...He was practicing intetrative fighting when hoyce was in diapers.
bastardluv 3 years ago
i agree. most proffesional fighters today, especially those in MMA, would have few problems against bruce lee. he was an actor and is overrated by kids who has seen too many kungfu movies
MuayThaiViking 3 years ago 2
he invented JKD. and he was a great martial artist . i see you study muay thai, thats one of the greatest martial arts there is
disablekaratewarrior 3 years ago
I'm not criticizing Gracie.. I'm saying that this "kung fu - expert" doesn't know REAL kung fu.. He doesn't even have a proper stance. Kung fu is imitation of animals (tiger-style, monkey-style etc.) This guy obviously doesn't use any real kung fu..
alternativpetrie 3 years ago
do u even know what REAL kung fu is? there are many styles of kung fu not only animal imitations, u watch to much kung fu movies and know little of the real art.
ikaross2112 3 years ago 2
Styles all have their limitations and divide rather than unite, I rather have an ever evolving system, JKD baby!
rickyricardo21 3 years ago
Is that Jason Delucia?
ConanTheAntFarmer 3 years ago
lol, that isn't a kung fu expert, he's a n00b
alternativpetrie 3 years ago
Fuck up.
The main point of Brazilian JuJistu is to take your opponent on the ground.
Hoyce Gracie has practiced for that many years, he could take a tree to the ground.
and if you listen to the commentator, he said the Kung fu representative will AVOID getting taken to the ground by using multiple strikes.
Fucking Learn about something before you talk shit about it
DistinctiveTunes 3 years ago
Fuck BJJ and fuck kung fu.
Daniel78219 3 years ago
It's incredible how Royce played with his opponent during the whole fight
CORXX 3 years ago
lol its amazing how so many people can talk shit over their little keyboards, say that shit to their faces? and also if a experienced ju jitsu fighter wants to take you to the ground no matter what kung fu shit you know your ass is goin down
dye2341 3 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
A real kung fu master would never allow anyone to TAKE HIM DOWN like this!!!!
jodijacksonjodi 3 years ago
Really? then why dont they fight in pride? in ufc? in k1? ohh thats right cause kung fu is too dangerous right? yup thats exactly it, and that WAS a fung fu master you moron, if you look up the guy he fought he has a kung fu instructor who was bigger then royce.
StuckYa79 3 years ago
actually cung le, the strikeforce middle weight champion does kung fu
nosira 3 years ago 2
you call this kung fu? bullshit!!!
jodijacksonjodi 3 years ago
Two idiots mastering their craft. This stuff is for morons without brains.
eheister2006 3 years ago
shit man
royce gracie was incredible
totallolz 3 years ago 4
I liked the fights back then when everyone was quiet and not screaming.
rannix18 4 years ago 4