Beginning Horse Riding : Collection Horse Training a Lope

[ArablvrXoXo]

Collection does not come from a head position. What a bunch of idiots.

[garfieldzgirl]

bloody hell collection means bow his head not lope. cant i find a decent video to learn how to make my horse collect properly?!

[altaimountain]

the whole 'training' of a horse how to run is incredibly ridiculous and cruel enslavement of a beautiful animal. Horses should live in nature, run free, live in herds and have full freedom to develop their natural potential and natural social structures.

[MrDanSanford]

This is clear and concise...well done!

[MzZoey]

I thought this was an excellent video to show how to "start" to collect a horse. I am a novice amatuer working with a 9 year old AQHA gelding that has been allowed to "hollow" out his back and carry his head down in front of him. No collection whatsoever,, he did not round his back lift his stomach muscles and drape his face like he needs to , with teaching him to give to the bit he must round his back and condition his stomach muscles to lift and get his hind end under him when loping.

[thehorsehelpchannel]

that was not a collected canter or lope

[gilliangirl1]

I don't understand the concept of collection. Doesn't the horse know how to lope to its best ability without us telling him how to do it? It just seems bizarre to me that we would think we know better how the horse should move. Horses have been loping on their own for centuries..... why do they need us telling them how to do it?

[xxBlackVeilBridexx]

@gilliangirl1 we're not telling them how to lope correctly.

We're teaching them a skill that takes work. That's the point of the sport, to work toward something.

[iluvmyfurkids]

I think was a pretty good video.

[MissTiana123]

if certain rude people didnt notice, this video is about training the horse to eventually be collected not already being collected so of course its not perfect the first time

[boysrhoterthanu]

i think the riders reigns were to tight

[MrBobKnowsBest]

i think she needs to train the rider first. ok video.. just saying

[147kd]

hahahahah.... this is gay.

[RNSpicey]

Actually holding your reins out like that is to encourage your horse to lower their head, therefore helping them to collect. It's how I get my horse to lower his head.

[MySassy11]

look guys this is rude! this worked on my dressage horse, and i won a 1st ribbon in a comp. with him. >:(

[Julieanne43]

This horse looks very green to me and pulling on its head isnt going to teach it to relax into the bridle. It needs to be balanced and work from behind to think about softening

[JustTheGirl112]

the horse isnt even balanced! how can it be collected?

[portfoliochef]

I'm sorry but to call this collection is just desperate. This horse has no idea how to be collected because it is not balanced. He doesn't know how to carry himself let alone a human on his back. He needs to be ridden FORWARDS into self-carriage and be able to balance himself and his rider before he can be "collected" or, more acccurately, ridden into self-carriage.

[bettylion]

This is not a bad video, she explains clearly the pressure/release/reward training aspect.

BUT, it really really bugs me when people use the word "collection" to mean "slow".

Maybe the western community uses it more interchangebly. In the dressage world, going slow and thinking it's "collection" is a BIG no-no!

[jmdnarri]

thank you!! But I would like to give credit to her for mentioning that collection is about moving off the hind leg and into the bridle, this trainer does not talk about just slowing the horse down.

[perfectlyEquestrian]

@bettylion yea! a horse can be collected and moving foward--in fact its better that way for english :)

[zeebradaisy]

oh yeah sure. thats a new rider

[petlover44]

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[ilovedressage11]

oh wow, this is just aweful. im shocked to this up as a training video... first of all that horse is not collected at any point in the video, collection comes from the seat, not the hands being spaced out like that...i even saw the girl see-saw the bit back and fourth in the horses mouth, this video is just bizzare.....

[egrdog]

actually he is... would you only accept the horse licking his chest as collection? remember this is western riding... in many riding disciplines you do not ride from your seat in the same way you do in dressage, especially w/western

[ilovedressage11]

no thats not collection either, collection is through the back and neck and haunches... if this is western collection they should come up with another term for it.

[AlliWalker]

There is no see-sawing, silly.

[Borntoridehorses1996]

i know, I hate expertvillage

[sitnspin86]

That horse is not even close to becoming collected! Pulling him into the bridle is a lot different than collection. This horse is not working off his hind end and has no impulsion.

[flynbytoofast]

Well I believe this is a green rider and im sure with a more experienced rider this horse could collect

[sitnspin86]

Then they should have picked a more experienced rider if they are trying to put TRAINING videos on the internet. You aren't going to have a nurse cutting into you if you need brain surgery, so don't have a novice in the saddle when trying to show the correct way to get a horse collected. Otherwise this video is more of a training one to show how NOT to lower your stirrups and how NOT to get your horse collected.

[flynbytoofast]

The title is called begining horse riding! Its supose to be a novice rider! They arent just trying to show how to collect a horse but teaching people who dont know how to ride how to. With this horse and rider they are showing the begining process of how to collect your horse and what to look for.

[sitnspin86]

Then these people need to watch Al Dunning, Tim McQuay, or Bob Avila videos because THEY do it right. This person is only pulling the horse into the bridle when the video is called beginning collection. The horse is still working on his forehand and this lady that's putting the video out there is playing it off as if the horse is actually getting collected.

[flynbytoofast]

The video is NOT called begining collection, its called begining riding. Big difference. Im sure the rider really doesnt know what she is doing, If they put an experienced rider on the horse that can do it. How are the people watching that dont know how gonna be able to do it? It is obvious that the horse is not collected because the rider doesnt know how, however the trainer seems knowledgable and shows the beggining stages in teaching yourself, or your horse how to collect.

[moridusu]

Even if it is a green rider the horse is not collected and she isn't even going about it the right way because collection deosn't come from pulling the head in at all, It comes from sitting the horse on its hind end and using the energy the horse is creating in his haunches to get it to stretch over his back and round up to make the gait swinging, relaxed and uphill.

[flynbytoofast]

I never said the horse was collected... But i did say the rider is green. You dont start out riding knowing how to collect a horse, I thought that was pretty obvious. Im sure when I first started riding i did the same thing! Untill I learned better of it. Im sure, with an expierenced rider this horse would collect and move into a frame.

[moridusu]

but should the person not be trying to teach her how to collect the horse properly?

[flynbytoofast]

well im sure she probably is, the girl just hasnt gotten the hang of it yet. Im sure i didnt collect a horse properly when i first learned to collect a horse.

[Nikki5309]

is a lope like a western version of a canter?

[flynbytoofast]

yes, but its a bit slower.

[AlliWalker]

A variation of the canter, seen in western riding, is called a lope, and generally is quite slow, no more than 13-19 km/h (8-12 mph).

[horsieylover]

I don't get why her reins are so short. I thought she was a western rider? This video sucks anyway.

[jawbreaker90210]

IE: Let's put him on the forehand and make him more dependent on the bridle.

No thanks, watch my video and witness collection without a bridle and deliberate pressure.

[leilaminette]

Thank you Thank you Thank you!! for showing us that it's ok to be goofy at first. I'm alway worried, thinking I must be doing it wrong cos it's a fight and it's HARD! :))

[rabbitboy56]

nice canter looks great