Sometimes the children have disabilities that the parents don't know about that make them get in trouble. Also, spankings don't work, it just makes the child either more angry at their parents or makes them scared and makes them want to avoid there parents. So the spankings must stop.
@Crystal56287 honestly its retarded that parents should have to punish kids at all, brains of any animal are not made to reconize their parents hurting them as a natural consequence because thats not how the real world works! you dont see animals punishing their offspring do you? why is this? is it because children are smarter and think for themselves? no, its because animals allow their children to expierment with the world instead. this is coming from a 16 year old
honestly its retarded that parents should have to punish kids at all, brains of any animal are not made to reconize their parents hurting them as a natural consequence because thats not how the real world works! you dont see animals punishing their offspring do you? why is this? is it because children are smarter and think for themselves? no, its because animals allow their children to expierment with the world
Children should be disciplined and that is that! Not to the point of beating though.. But if kids aren't disciplined, than they will becoming spoiled brats and this is coming from a 15 yr old
I don't think this is because of spanking itself but in a closer study it likely would turn out to be the way their parent does it. Like, too often, too hard, for small offenses, without any reasoning and talking to first, or as the first resort. Those are unwise choices. Or even in public like the first drawer lampooed; Humiliation has nothing to do with love, so anyone who spanks their child in public is surely a bad parent. But not even nearly every parent is like these examples refered to.
I encourage you to stand up against violence. There are good organizations such as the American SPCC (in the USA) and the Kinderschutzbund (in Germany) which are dedicated to the protection of children. Visit their websites for further information. Thanks for refusing violence.
"spanking" or whatever name you ppl want to give it, is a sadistic practice performed by cowardly adults who are too lazy & inept to explain/demonstrate 'actions & consequences' to their children in a way they can understand.....
I was spanked when growing up and if a child acts out to a point they're being a brat destroying shit, i don't see why parents shouldn't spank but not to the point it's a beating. I myself wouldn't spank my kid, tried it once, didn't feel right. instead I threaten to take shit, or do the count down. it works.every.time
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 In my opinion you're initial instinct on the matter made more sense. People have a really hard time emotionally admitting to themselves that their caregivers made mistakes or that they have made mistakes, but I think it's best to always be honest with one's self. Most people aren't emotionally able to do that.
Thank you for posting this beautiful, sad video. To those that think spanking is ok, I get it. You're just repeating what you learned from your own parents- a very tragic, vicious circle.
Once as a kid I saw my mum beat my teenage sister (then) with a broom stick in front of her friends. Since then, aside from her being an alcoholic, I've lost all respect for my mom. She's changed but I do not respect her at all because of those things she did. Never once did she beat me and she never will lay a hand on me.
". . . there are many different ways children across cultures are brought up, this is why you cannot unalaterally say that spanking is harmful and abusive."
You also can't say that it isn't. Once again, we have to move beyond inductive reasoning since it doesn't prove anything in this case.
Anyway, I'm not going to keep spoon feeding you information that you could look up yourself. In the real world, most of the time, no one gives a d@mn about your kids, and if you want to give
"That's why children are little screw ups today because they aren't taught how to behave."
Many factors are involved in children being "screwed up" today. How many parents make healthful, homecooked meals for their kids anymore?
Anyway, my point about there being no absolute proof was that if we want to find the truth, we can't wait for someone to serve it up to us on a silver platter. We have to move beyond inductive reasoning to other types of reasoning.
@ladederose LOL! How old are you? The reason many of these children are little screw ups today is there is no discipline in the home. I grew up with plenty of friends from difference social standings and many of them didn't get a home cooked meal. However, most of them graduated and most of them grew up to be responsible people.
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@ladederose You are so limited in your thinking. I said I can create submissive behavior without hitting them doesn't mean I would have to resort to other forms of violence. I said it can be done. That's not the point period.
@Ryooken I'm not saying that creating a submissive person would only be wrong of you resort to violence. I think that no matter how you create a submissive person, it would always be wrong.
@ladederose No what you are saying is that people use spanking to promote submissive behavior and that's BS. People use spanking to teach consequences of bad behavior. There is a difference. If you want to create a submissive person then you would apply techniques to promote those goals and I am sorry but spanking isn't one of them. By the way those studies you keep touting is far from conclusive.
@Ryooken Well spanking could also lead to over-aggression. I guess I left that out before. It could also lead to masochism or sadism.
You say that this is not an opinion issue. I guess that you think that your view is correct. I think that my view is correct. There is research to support both sides of many issues (eg. does God exist?), but still people do not agree.
@ladederose Oh? I see so you know this for a fact because many of the people I have seen have never been spanked and have serious over aggression issues. Can a person be abused and have over aggression issues? Yes, but again spanking doesn't promote over aggression but a consequence of bad behavior.
@Ryooken Just because spanking makes an individual more likely to become over-agressive doesn't mean that some people who were not spanked will not also be over-agressive and vise versa.
"To say that parents should spank because it hurts them is foolish."
It doesn't just hurt them in the short term, it also harms them in the long run.
If you hadn't been hurt by spanking, you wouldn't have had to get over it. Just because you got over it doesn't mean it was justifed.
@ladederose That's the point. You are making an assumption without evidence. You have no proof that someone who was spanked as a child is more aggressive than someone who was not. Sorry but you have no evidence of long term damage either. Are you saying that I should have to have gotten over being grounded either? That hurt too. It hurt differently but hey pain is pain right?
@Ryooken I feel sympathy for anyone who had to go through spanking. People get over a lot of hurtful things that happened to them though without thinking that way that they were treated was morally right. Everyone's parents made mistakes. It's ok to recognize the mistakes that our parents made. It doesn't make us bad people. We can judge an act without judging the person who did it.
@Ryooken That could have achieved through non-punative means. If you really think that you deserved to be spanked, I think that is sad that your parents made you belief that about yourself.
@Ryooken I used to babysit a lot for my little cousins who had a genuine respect for me. I treated them with genuine respect. I treated them like human beings and that is why they trusted me. Respect and trust are not built on fear.
Anyway, how many other people did you see your parents hit? Certainly you were not the worst person that your parents ever came across.
@ladederose There is a big difference between babysitting and raising children. As a babysitter you did not lay down the rules, that's the parents job. As a babysitter you don't usually hand out punishment for bad behavior again that's the parents job. I didn't give my babysitters a hard time either because I knew that there would be consequences to my behavior. I suggest you learn this because if you have children, you will be tested and I won't be the one running the test.
@Ryooken As you mature and learn more you should learn that every child is different and what works for one child doesn't work on all of them. Some children require very little discipline but a gentle reminder or two. That's not everyone and I personally know of several children that will say in public that had it not been for their parent's chastisement they would have turned out very badly. You have no experience should learn this.
@Ryooken Oh one more thing, just because parents punish their children doesn't mean that they don't treat them like human beings. You have some confusion there. They are treated like children not adults. That's the difference.
@Ryooken I'm a very nice person. I've had a lot of people tell me that I'm the nicest person that they know. I've been nice to complete strangers, and if anyone on this entire planet deserves my patience and kindness it's my own flesh and blood. I've never lost my temper with anyone even if they were disrespcetful to me and I genuinely didn't like them. I have confidance in my ability to remain patient and to be kind with my own kids one day.
@ladederose It doesn't matter how nice you are. I can't explain this any better to you. When you have children, you will understand. I suggest you think about what I am saying because the worse thing you can do to the world is unleash undisciplined little children upon them. Simultaniously the worst thing you can do to a child is to unleash them on the world. It's just that simple.
It may be difficult or it may not be, but to be honest, I believe that if anyone can raise happy, healthy, genuinely caring kids definitely without physical punishment and even without any form of punishment, I can. I'm not going to go into parenting with a bad attitude. I'm not going to "demonize" my kids or view every mistake that they make as a deliberate attempt to hurt me or anyone.
@Ryooken I think that kids do genuinely want to get along with their parents, but they give up to an extent if their parents punish them or otherwise reject them. I mean kids rely on their parents for survival. It's only natural that they would be wired to try to get along with their own parents. I think that when parents tell a kid that he/she is "bad" though, or give him/her that impression, that the kid will start to believe it and act that way. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.
@ladederose While children may want to get along with their parents, they also want to get what they want. Children only know what they are taught or observe. If a child doesn't understand that sacrifices must be made for them to do things or aren't told that their parents aren't required to give them everything. They just expect to get what they want. If you are too nice to them they think they can walk all over you. I have seen it happen.
@Ryooken Most children still want to get along with their parents but they also want their parents to set limits and always remember this. If you don't teach children to behave then you will not have children prepared to live life as an adult. Parents who want to be friends with their children are not usually good parents, in itself that become abuse because you aren't preparing children for obedience to the laws of the land.
@Ryooken What do you think will happen if they act like fools with the police etc.? They will be punished. Let me tell you a story. I knew a young man when I was working. He came to me angry. He said that his dad hit him after he decided to verbally disrespect his father and then proceded to tell his father that he didn't have to listen to him. I said what did you do? After a short explaination the boy admitted he was wrong but then said he was angry.
@Ryooken Because his father had never hit him but then after all that he did to his father he popped him. He said it would have been different if he had been popping him all along but he suddenly just hit. I told him why and this is what I said. I said that your father was trying to be friends with you, and when you started acting is an disrespectful and disobedient manner, he realized his mistake and tried to correct it. You are angry over that correction.
@Ryooken He said yes, he was. I asked him plainly. Did you deserve what you got? He said he probably did but he just got upset. I told him that at his age he should not have been acting like this and to make peace with his father. He did later but you see the damage that's done when parents refuse to act for fear of hurting or disappointing their child? I hope so. That's all I have to say on this subject.
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 That's a great way to teach future women to accept abuse from their future boyfriend/husband. The lesson that you are teaching is that pain and love go hand in hand. Also, she's two for Christ’s sake. What can you expect from a two year old?
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 You have my sympathy for your loss of your parents. That must have been very difficult.
You said though that your oldest brother was the one who had custody of you, yet your brothers, as in not just the brother who had custody, spanked you. It was definitely illegal for the brother(s) who did not have custody to spank you even in the United States. Your brother who had custody was legally supposed to protect you. Letting your other brother(s) spank you was illegal.
@ladederose my other brothers didnt spank me just swated my butt thats all and when i was that young i would agree but that was untill i figured out that the do it because they love me thats why i spanked my 2 year old daughter and when my twins get older i will spank them
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 In my opinion you're initial instinct on the matter made more sense. People have a really hard time emotionally admitting to themselves that their caregivers made mistakes or that they have made mistakes, but I think it's best to always be honest with one's self. Most people aren't emotionally able to do that.
@ladederose "Most people aren't emotionally able to do that." That's my theory at least. I hope you'll consider it.
Why do you say you will spank your twins? It sounds like they are even younger than two. You don't know how they will behave yet when they are older. Why not give them a chance?
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 I know none of my God children or my nephews neices etc. are afraid of me either. They may be afraid of being punished by that's about it. Punishment is a deterrent for bad behavior.
@Ryooken You have no right to punish your nieces, nephews or God children. You should go to jail for that. You even said yourself in an earlier comment to me that it's not the place of a person to "discipline" someone else's kid.
@ladederose Correction I have every right. It states legal that any person that is standing in the place of a parent has the right to punish children in their charge. That's the law. I suggest you review it. Show me where I said it's not the place for a person to punish someone that wasn't a parent.
@Ryooken I didn't know that you stood in the place of those people's parents. The laws are different in different states though.
"There is a big difference between babysitting and raising children. As a babysitter you did not lay down the rules, that's the parents job. As a babysitter you don't usually hand out punishment for bad behavior again that's the parents job." This is why I thought that you thought people shouldn't punish other people's kids.
@ladederose I thought I explained this already. Let me be clear, there is a difference between you being a part time babysitter and you standing in the place of a parent. It's not to say that aunts uncles and other authority figures in the child's life don't have the authority to discipline children far from it but a babysitter doesn't usually care that authority. For example, when I grew up teachers had the same authority as parents.
I did not imply that only parents could punish children without exception but as a part-time person that isn't instrumental in the care of those charges, they don't have that authority. For example, a babysitter doesn't have the same authority unless given by the parents but a governance would. Understand? I hope that clarifies things.
@Ryooken I can explore the science and reasoning to support both sides of an issue and come to a different conclusion than you. People experience the world differently and have different conceptions of reality, so anything could be an opinion issue.
@ladederose Actually you're not here is why. If you had done that then you would have suspended your belief one way or the other. You have claimed that people would be more creative if they were not spanked. As I have proven that's not the case and you wouldn't have said that people would be better if they have not been spanked again not the case. To be objective you have to study the behavior of children accross the gambit and then rule out all other problems until you get to the bottom.
@Ryooken Also, people have different methods of thinking and as I said before, different values. A positive desirable result to you isn't necessarily a positive desirable result to me. Your idea of a “messed up” kid is probably different than mine. A lot of the terms that we use are subjective.
@ladederose Whether people have different methods of thinking isn't the point here. What is the point that you are claiming something that you cannot prove. Case in point it's a known fact that children do not understand their parent's reasons for doing what they did during their childhood and don't appreciate how they were raised until they hit about 40 years old. Can I prove that? No I can't. You cannot prove your suppositions about spanking. continued
@Ryooken To say that parents should spank because it hurts them is foolish. In that case parents shouldn't punish their children at all because all forms of effective punishment hurts. That's why it's called punishment. You see I can speak from experience as to what it's like to be spanked. It hurt but I got over it and did what I was supposed to do and believe me I am very well educated and very practiced in many sciences.
@Ryooken I never said that it would be impossible for a person to be responsible if they had been spanked. That really does not contradict anything that I said. I have said that people will be better off overall if they are not spanked.
There is research to support both sides of the spanking issue, but there is more research to support the idea that spanking is harmful. To me, that side has better points. If you read the research for both sides, I don't know what conclusion you will
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@ladederose You cannot make that claim either because it's not based in reality. I know those that have been spanked and those that haven't and I can tell the difference in their understanding of boundaries, respect, understanding, and their belief in their stance that whatever they think is right and that's it. Sound familiar?
Who knows how much better an individual could have turned out had they been treated with the upmost level of respect by their parents instead of being made to submit to a culturally accepted version of sexual abuse? I don’t think most human beings come anywhere close to reaching their full potential.
Who knows how much better an individual could have turned out had they been treated with the upmost level of respect by their parents instead of being made to submit to a culturally accepted version of sexual abuse? I don’t think most human beings come anywhere close to reaching their full potential.
I don’t think that in order to determine if spanking helps a person or not we should look at only whether they are more inventive or better in any way than other people, since everyone has a different genetic potential. I think that in order to know of it spanking is helpful, we should compare an individual to what they could have been.
@ladederose Well since there is no way to do that at the present time, good luck with that. The fact is that you are equating spanking with child abuse and I am sorry but you are wrong. Anything can be used to abuse a child. I can show you a thousand ways to abuse a child and you never have to hit them. If you want to say that child abuse is wrong, hey I am there with ya, but to say spanking is wrong or grounding is wrong or pick any method because it's painful, then you are incorrect.
@TheJake3214 It only proves that it works on you. There is no set pattern for child rearing. I have 3 nephews, the oldest one I have never had to spank, the middle one never took me seriously until I put my hand on his butt, the last one was just wild so spanking him was a hit or miss process.
Actually most of the prison inmates were the ones who were spanked as kids. If you want to keep your kids out of jail, you'd be better off not spanking them and instead demonstrating good behavior. Kids learn through example.
Also, morals have nothing to do with fear of the consequences to an individual. If you run a fear-based household, what happens when the kids get older and that fear is gone? True moral reasoning skills last. Fear doesn't. Fear inhibits true moral development.
@ladederose Oh tell that to the people of Singapore. Not only do they spank children but adults. They did a show about this and a guy that raped a girl in Singapore got caned. He was asked if he would ever rape a girl in Singapore? He said no. Guess what he is in jail in the US for rape. Children around the world have been spanked and if that is the case, the prisons would be full.
@Ryooken It's very easy to claim this while ignoring the other factors like racism that played a part of adults going to prison. If you objectively examine the facts, then you will come to the conclusion that people didn't go to prison because they were spanked, they went to prison because of other factors.
@Ryooken I'm not saying that everyone who was spanked will end up in prison. Most people, whether they were spanked or not don't go to prison. I am saying that most of the people in prison were spanked though. I was aware about the caning of adults in Singapore. In many countries wre spanking is legal, it is also common practice to use intentional physical pain on adults, in households (by husbands usually), or in the courts.
@ladederose Oh? How did you come to that conclusion? So you interviewed everyone in prison to see if they were spanked and that's why they're in prison? My point to you is that even though you may believe physical punishment isn't a deterrent for bad behavior the evidence that it is, is massive. Regardless punishment for misbehavior is how we raise children whether that punishment is physical or not it hurts them.
@Ryooken " So you interviewed everyone in prison to see if they were spanked and that's why they're in prison?"
I could say the same to you. Have you interviewed everyone in prison to see if they are there because they had parents that were too lenient?
I do think that in some cases, with some types of kids, spanking can cause short-term compliance, but that's about it. They are going to figure out that in the real world, people don't always get caught.
@Ryooken You have an interesting point about any form of punishment hurting kids. Maybe you're on to something there. Maybe punishment isn't needed at all. Maybe there is a better way that doesn't include any form of punishment. Can you think of a time when you were motivated to do the right thing, even when there was no fear involved? I can.
@Ryooken As far as Scottland, I don't know if the kids there are really that unruly or not, but if it is true, that could be for any number of reasons.
Even if spanking worked to make a kid well behaved, the long-term consequences of spanking are devastating to a one's overall wellbeing. It teaches a child that their body is not their personal property. It teaches submission. Parents are supposed to show their kid what it feels like to be respected so that he/she knows what to look for.
@ladederose Really? The same could be said for grounding or any form of punishment for that matter. Here is the problem with this logic. Thomas Eddison was spanked. Many geniuses were spanked. Many productive members of society were spanked. Where are the harmful effects? You see the problem I have with this are studies that are based on an agenda. You have entire countries of over achievers like Japan who have been spanked. The problem here is abuse and not spanking.
@Ryooken I think a lot of the people in the world thus far who were/are considered "geniuses" were likely born as autistic savants; great in one or a few areas, but not well -rounded in their thinking, likely not emotionally healthy, and not necessarily content.
No matter how much you punish a child, you can't turn them into a savant (and you wouldn't want to; it's harmful), but if you want to make a child smarter, there are a lot of things you can do.
@Ryooken There is a lot of evidence that spanking inhibits a person’s intellectual development. If you go onto nospank.net, then scroll down towards the bottom of the page, there is a link called "Research." If you click on that, you will find links to a number of resources that explain the negative consequences of spanking, some of which explain the damage to a person's mental development, and some of which explain the other harmful effects of childhood spanking.
@Ryooken The people in countries like Japan are not usually creative or independent-minded though. Their culture stresses conformity. If your definition of parenting success is unquestioning obedience to authority, and methodical "computer" thinking, then I guess you probably would define the Japanese as being "achievers," but if you want a person who can see the big picture, who is happy, creative, healthy, curious, open to new ideas, and "whole" then punishment doesn't yield success.
@ladederose That's a nice dodge but the fact remains whether Japan is inventive or not their country has a high rate of excellence, and they still use physicial punishment. As to them not thinking in the big picture, you are wrong again. You see it was the US that didn't believe in spanking etc. that were short sighted, and developed the electronics but it's the Japanese that improved it and made electronics their industry over all.
@Ryooken In every country though, there are people who were not spanked. Those people might be the ones inventing things; they might not represent the general population of a country. For the most part, I think that the vast majority of people in every country are pretty low-functioning. Maybe the few that were not spanked in the countries with high rate of spanking benefit because they have so many mindless submissive schmucks around them that they can have work for them.
@ladederose You said In every country though, there are people who were not spanked. Those people might be the ones inventing things; they might not represent the general population of a country.
Okay so what. Are you trying to say that inventions only come from people who have not been spanked? If that's the case then I suggest that you stop right there because you are dead wrong. Example, Thomas Eddison was spanked both at home and in school and he gave us several things.
@Ryooken Now you want to talk about inventions here is where your theory fails. Not only have black people been spanked but oppressed and some of the greatest inventions came out of our community. GW Carver, Charles Drew etc.
@Ryooken Well, movie stars don't exactly hold high statuses most of the time. In the case of other people who were spanked, I think that they would have turned out better and be more at peace had they not been spanked.
I agree that every factor in childhood effects the way a person will be in adulthood, and I think that if everything else was the same in the childhoods of a set of twins where one was spanked and the other wasn't, that the spanked twin would have lower potential.
@ladederose Maybe in your book movie stars don't rate very high, but we were talking about creativity were we not. That's an opinion not fact based on anything but your personal views, we are talking about reality and not what you would wish or believe. Doubtful, I know twins that have been spanked and both are in MIT. Again you are speaking about what you believe not what is true or not true based on objective evidence.
@ladederose I don't actually believe you posted this. Are you kidding? The reason that Europe has more stable countries than Africa is because Europe was poor and impoverished, invaded Africa, stole the wealth, the resources and then have used the power they gained from that to keep Africa unstable for well over 500 years. I suggest you learn history before you cast dispersions about Africa.
@Ryooken Whether Africa overall or Europe overall was more advanced than the other, doesn’t matter when it comes to whether a specific individual would be better or worse off of they had been spanked in childhood. There are so many differences in the way that people are raised in different parts of the world and in different specific families that could attribute to differences. None of your inductive reasoning type arguments prove anything; correlation does not equal causation.
@ladederose Actually it must or you would not have brought it up. Yes, you are right there are many different ways children across cultures are brought up, this is why you cannot unalaterally say that spanking is harmful and abusive.
@Ryooken None of the scenarios that you bring up include both a control group and an experimental group. You say for example, that Thomas Edison was spanked, but we don’t have a Thomas Edison that wasn’t spanked, but was treated exactly the same in every other way to compare him to. We don’t have a control group. Since we don't have any neatly packaged experiments like this on spanking we can't provide absolute proof for black-and-white thinkers to prove that spanking either helps or harms.
@ladederose Thank you that's my point. You cannot claim that Eddison or anyone for that matter would have done better if he hadn't been spanked. What we can show is that children who have been disciplined live more productive lives. Whether that includes spanking is nominal.
@Ryooken In the past parents made a lot of mistakes because they didn’t know any better. They painted their houses with lead paint. They fed their families lard on toast. Some of their kids turned out to be relatively smart compared to the others, but that doesn’t mean that eating lard on toast or using lead paint in your house is not harmful or that their kids would not have turned out better with healthier alternatives.
@ladederose Yep parents do make a lot of mistakes but disciplining their children isn't one of them. If a child deserved a spanking and that form of discipline works then hey they got what they deserves. That's why children are little screw ups today because they aren't taught how to behave. You see them everywhere and it's because their parents are afraid to look like abusers and discipline their children.
@Ryooken There is a think tank that did a study on this and found out something interesting. After people took discipline away from the parents and out of the schools they found a glorious thing. The teachers were afraid of the principals, the principals were scared of the super intendents, the super intendents were scared of the school board and the school board were afraid of the parents and the parents were afraid of the children, and the children wasn't scared of anyone.
@Ryooken your kids the best chances, you'll probably have to research it yourself. Why would anyone else want to help your family when they have families of their own and kids who will be competing with your kids? My view on parents who spank is that they are suckers who are going to be creating little submissive, masochistic worker bees to be used by those people who came from better homes. If you really can't understand that, then your family should be in worker bee roles.
@ladederose We aren't talking about your personal opinion. We are talking about reality. You can create submissives without having to hit them. That's not the point, the point is that children need both love and discipline and sometimes that comes in the form of punishment for bad behavior. You can state you don't like spanking as a form of punishment. That's fine but don't claim all this other nonsense there is no viable proof that any of that is true.
The world is a different place today than it was when you grew up, so why would parents act in the same way as parents did before research on the affects of spanking was extremely abundant and readily available? You've got to change with the times in order to give your kids a chance to compete in the world.
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@ladederose Oh in other words you really haven't experienced much of anything yet. That's where you're wrong the world isn't different it's the adults that have changed because they haven't been taught. What research? Here is the problem people with an agenda to eliminate child abuse went on a witch hunt to eliminate all physical punishment and in reality all disciplinary actions period. I remember when this began and I watched how the behavior of the young deteriorated over time.
@Ryooken As far as your idea that spanking a 16 or 17 year old alone in a room could turn into sexual abuse, I don't agree with that exactly because I think that spanking a 16 or 17 year old (or anyone) is always sexual abuse. The butt is a sexual part of the body. A lot of guys are obsesses with the butts of women. If an adult ever touches another person's butt without invitation that is sexual assault. I think it's naive to think that a lot of teachers won't get off on that.
@ladederose LOL! I know guys that are obsessed with the feet of people too. Does that mean that when people in Turkey beat the soles of people's feet that somehow sexual? No it doesn't. Anymore than it does when a person is attracted to someone's face but if you slap someone that makes it sexual. The fact is that you are biased.
@Ryooken I think most males in the US would probably consider an attractive woman’s butt to be more sexual than her women’s feet. Anyway, maybe teachers shouldn’t be able to inflict pain on any part of a student’s body.
I think that we have pretty different mental maps. I think that your opinion on spanking is affected by what you believe to be true about the world and how human beings develop, and also what you think is important and of value; vice versa for me.
@ladederose Again not the point. You are mixing apples and oranges. Straight boys consider any part of a woman's body to be attractive, that's got nothing to do with punishment. You spank young people because they did something to deserve it not because you want sex. No, it's not what I believe to be true. These are facts. This is reality. I have well over 40 years of experience in life. I have seen no evidence that children are harmed by spanking that isn't abusive.
@Ryooken I think that the reason that you don't see any evidence that spanking is harmful is because you don't look for it. If you would read about it you would at least understand the arguments against spanking, even if you don't agree with them. The nerves in the butt lead to sexual nerve centers. Kids are wired sexually from the day that they are born, not when puberty starts. It's basic physiological science. For more info read "The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children" by Tom Johnson.
@ladederose I would say that either. I have seen children who were abused and mistreated. I have also seen children who are spanked as part of their discipline. So yes, I do know the difference and as I said nothing in my 40 years of experience shows this. Oh please spare me this nonsense. Nerves register the sensations as pain unless you are a masochist, you are not going to receive pleasure from your bottom. It's these wild claims that destroy your argument.
@Ryooken I also think that we just have different methods of thinking. If we keep conversing on this topic, I think we will just keep finding that many of our other beliefs contradict. The interaction of beliefs that make up of a person’s opinion on a particular topic can be complex. If you are open to it and want to read some of the research and information which supports the idea that spanking is harmful, I recommend the sources that I suggested before.
@Ryooken If you want to know more about the reasons some people are opposed to spanking kids, you can probably learn more from these sources than from anything I could ever say.
@ladederose Didn't we cover this? The butt like the rest of the body can serve multiple purposes and you cannot say because a person get's turned on by watch young women's behinds that means something where spanking is concerned. That's the problem with most males they think only in terms of breasts and bottoms. Sorry that's not the point. Spanking doesn't just include the bottom. Some have spanked the backs of the legs too. Get my point now?
@Ryooken Electronics is a field for "small picture" people. You don't have to have much of an understanding of anything that goes on in the world around you to understand electronics.
@ladederose You said "Electronics is a field for "small picture" people. You don't have to have much of an understanding of anything that goes on in the world around you to understand electronics." Oh quite the contrary, not only do you have to understand the world around you with electronics but think about it this way, you are talking about creating pictures that send messages accross empty space and you don't think that is brilliant?
@Ryooken Major scientists have admitted to being spanked, movie stars, actors, actresses, heads of state both here and in other countries, have admitted to being spanked. You theory doesn't even hold any water whatsoever. Problems with child development are about environmental issues i.e. the food, the water, the air, their parents genetic make up, etc.
@Ryooken Was the rate of pro-spanking parents ever that much higher in Japan than it was in the US? As far as I know, both countries have had a pretty similar percentage of pro-spankers. I think that the non-spanked citizens of both countries have a better chance of being inventive and healthy and the spanked citizens of both countries loose out generally speaking. I think that the majority of citizens in both countries are not too healthy.
@ladederose Yes, it was and to an extention is. You see not only were the parents pro spanking but they endorse corporal punishment in schools. So yes, they have been very pro-spanking. Yes, there are children in Japan that have never been spanked but I will say they are probably in the minority not the majority.
@Ryooken Did you know that some schools in certain US states still have allow legal corporal punishment of students in school, just like in Japan? You have nasty perverts who can legally spank 17 year old young women and men in this country in public schools. Do you not see a potential problem with this?
I also think that the majority of parents in both countries probably did spank, but the sheeple eveywhere do a lot of irrational things.
@ladederose You have a very twisted mind calling the people who spank children perverted. Yes, I know that in some schools they still allow corporal punishment. I went to Catholic school and I am very familiar with it. Actually you're wrong America started the no spanking crusade around 1972. Japan didn't stop spanking in most schools until 1993. So Japan's striving for excellence has been going strong for a very long time. I will get back to your school thing in a minute. continued
@Ryooken Yes, I see the potential problem with spanking 16 & 17 year olds. Yes, being alone in a room with a woman or a man could potentially cause a problem as far as a sexual assault going on. However, it's really not the point, that could develop any time with any thing. What needs to be determined is paddling a deterrent in high school?
@Ryooken Fortunately, there are many countries that have outlawed the spanking of children including, but not limited to: Sweden (1979), Finland (1983), Norway (1987), (1997), Germany (2000), Israel (2000), Greece (2006), Netherlands (2007), New Zealand (2007), Republic of Moldova (2008), Luxembourg (2008), Liechtenstein (2008), and Poland (2010). In these countries no one can legally causes physical pain to anyone and it is working out well for them.
@ladederose Yes, and we have seen the results in Scotland parents have to call parent protective services. Children have become unruly because of lack of discipline. Parents are afraid of their own children and need protection from law enforcement. So yeah it works great.
The scientific community is also in complete opposition to what God has spoken...so I pay them very little mind. I was spanked as a child...I'm thankful I was. If more people were like me, their would be no need for alcohol, drugs...no prisons...their would be no mischievous behavior & or violent crimes. I'm very passionate about doing the right thing...in fact I have been told I act like and old man...which suits me just fine. I call it maturity.
The scientific community is also in complete opposition to what God has spoken...so I pay them very little mind. I was spanked as a child...I'm thankful I was. If more people were like me, their would be no need for alcohol, drugs...no prisons...their would be no mischievous behavior & or violent crimes. I'm very passionate about doing the right thing...in fact I have been told I act like and old man...which suits me just fine. I call it maturity.
First off a child should not be confronting their parents. You have a serious emotional problem if you think being spanked has left you scarred for life. We have to many spoiled brats in the world now. And your just compounding the problem
I'm just want to know who thumbs down all of my comments to it's not visible. I just think it's a load of crap. Someone really has a lot of time on their hands.
How spanking feels! How's it suppose to feel? hey parent! How does them going to prison feel? Using drugs...or getting pregnant...telling you to go to hades...maybe children should be running the planet & parents should be in the sandbox.
Yes! They should have respect for their authority figures. That's through spankings. Yes. Your children should fear that if they get caught doing the wrong thing they will get punished for it. Not all fear is unhealthy.
Asking a child how they feel about being spanked is sort of silly...I never met a child that enjoys being told no. Correction is for their own good...not their enjoyment. It's not like they giveaway free spankings with every happy meal.
Love without disiplane is not love at all. We have a responsibility as parents to ensure our children stay clear of danger/trouble...not walk headlong into it. If taking away the X-BOX or sending them to timeout works fine! But a parent should never allow their children to put them in a position where they are no longer in charge...that's absurd. And utterly irrational. Children don't have all the evidence to make & informed decision.
50 years ago we did not have to worry about children bringing guns to school & blowing someones head off... Quit seeing children as innocent...your little baby is one day going to become a full grown adult...how they turn out depends a lot on how you raise them now.
Exercise power over them! Your the parent...their the child...your not their friend...they'll have plenty of those to help them screw up their lives. Your job as parent is to build character & integerity. Which is to do the right thing. Which I am very passionate about thanks to my father. If more people were raised like I was we would have no need for prisons. Their would be no violence whatsoever.
Exercise power over them! Your the parent...their the child...your not their friend...they'll have plenty of those to help them screw up their lives. Your job as parent is to build character & integerity. Which is to do the right thing. Which I am very passionate about thanks to my father. If more people were raised like I was we would have no need for prisons. Their would be no violence whatsoever.
It is very hard for some people to come to terms with physical punishment in childhood. Our parents loved us...how could they intentionally cause pain to us? Some people refuse to examine their feelings and say , "I got hit as a kid and I turned out OK!" or "I got hit and I deserved it." It's OK to hate how we were treated as a child and still love our parents. There is a mountain of research published in many universities all over the world showing that corporal punishment is harmful.
@nadineblock I see where you're coming from but what else do you want us to say? "I was spanked and I turned out a horrible person?" Why say something like that when it's not my truth?
@nadineblock In my opinion, if you confront your parents, tell them how horrible it was for you, and they make excuses or get defensive i.e. "We did the best we could, we did it because we loved you" etc.... then they don't truly love you. If you love someone then the thought of putting them in a situation where you're forcibly inflicting pain on them wouldn't even cross your mind.
To all anti spankers: I hate to burst your bubbles because some of you actually make good points, but most of the "facts" that you've researched on, If you really think about it they aren't really facts. As many people you argued with and said "they turn out fine" just proves that your "facts" isn't necessarily accurate, so that doesn't make them facts that just makes it a test. It's like saying 'my boyfriend cheated on me because the lie detecter said so. It's not valid
I was spanked by both parents and they were the most terrifying, humiliating, and frustrating experiences of my life. I can vividly remember screaming "I hate you!" several times in primal rage at my complete lack of power to do anything to stop it. What can a kid do? Run away? Go to the authorities and get put into social services? Tell other adults, many of whom are either too afraid of confrontation or too evil to help?
Haha! i'm sorry, but I find this video was quite ridiculous . I mean, the children that drew these pictures weren't spanked. They were abused. If they were spanked then they were spanked for unnecessary reasons. Imo I don't think spanking is abusive. I think every has a choice to spank your children or not. Not saying all kids should be spanked, but I don't spankings should be called abuse
@andrewh817 My definition of abuse is kicking, punching, and bruising the child etc. Out of anger. I can give you a necessary reason and a unnecessary reason. The unnecessary reason is if you spanked the child for every mistake they do, for example. Spanking a child over spilled milk is abusive. A necessary reason is when the child has done something really bad. Like acting out in class and being disrupted in class. Imo I think that is a necessary reason to spank at home. always spank at home.
everythihg in existence is only a manifestation of the energies that are contaned in it. THe human spirit stores negative energetic inbalances that come out in alot of different ways including violence, misbehavior , and even disease. The only way that the spirit can heal is under the conditions of love, forgiveness, compassion and mercy. Nobodys spirit has ever or will ever heal in an atmospere of condemnation, judgment , fear, or punishment. Embrace the positive and it will spread !
Yeah control is the point...I'm not bringing children in this world to have them tell me what to do...if you think so you have one too many loose screws.
@newj34 So you're having kids to exercise power over them? That's one of the must power hungry and evil reasons anyone could have a kid....in fact parents with your mindset are to blame for many of the dozens of social problems faced worldwide.
@andrewh817 It's not a exercise, it's their job as a parent. It's not like people who spank are nazis. @newj34 is right. You are the parent not the best friend. You're child is not in controll of how you handle them, if they did then they may think that they are in charge. Plus you can't reason and have a descent coversation with a 2 year old people
@sodakandy If you can't reason with them using words then how the hell could a spanking teach them anything besides being scared of their parents and authority figures in general. That viewpoint is nonsense.
@andrewh817 Good question. That's where most of you guys get confused with. Most spankers do spank and communicate, people. if they don't, then yes that is wrong. From my experience I was spanked and then my mom reasoned with me, but most of the time I knew what I got it for, so usually he didn't have to. But I do suggest communication. I do wish that my mom did communicate with me more though.
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I was smacked as a child and i turned out fine. (kill all human kill all humans) but srsly though i was hit so hard i'd have a hand print for a week and i really don't see what's wrong. i acted like a little idiot and i didn't stop. it's the same as getting yelled at.
@honor21221able i wasn't exactly going to walk around in public with my pants down was I? and anyway back here in oz laws weren't lik that at the time and still aren't in fact. silly politicians. they're still going on about a non-existant credit crunch.
Sometimes the children have disabilities that the parents don't know about that make them get in trouble. Also, spankings don't work, it just makes the child either more angry at their parents or makes them scared and makes them want to avoid there parents. So the spankings must stop.
Genjiforcer 1 day ago
@Crystal56287 honestly its retarded that parents should have to punish kids at all, brains of any animal are not made to reconize their parents hurting them as a natural consequence because thats not how the real world works! you dont see animals punishing their offspring do you? why is this? is it because children are smarter and think for themselves? no, its because animals allow their children to expierment with the world instead. this is coming from a 16 year old
gorillas400 1 week ago
honestly its retarded that parents should have to punish kids at all, brains of any animal are not made to reconize their parents hurting them as a natural consequence because thats not how the real world works! you dont see animals punishing their offspring do you? why is this? is it because children are smarter and think for themselves? no, its because animals allow their children to expierment with the world
gorillas400 1 week ago
Children should be disciplined and that is that! Not to the point of beating though.. But if kids aren't disciplined, than they will becoming spoiled brats and this is coming from a 15 yr old
Crystal56287 2 weeks ago
I don't think this is because of spanking itself but in a closer study it likely would turn out to be the way their parent does it. Like, too often, too hard, for small offenses, without any reasoning and talking to first, or as the first resort. Those are unwise choices. Or even in public like the first drawer lampooed; Humiliation has nothing to do with love, so anyone who spanks their child in public is surely a bad parent. But not even nearly every parent is like these examples refered to.
VampireOutlaw 1 month ago
I encourage you to stand up against violence. There are good organizations such as the American SPCC (in the USA) and the Kinderschutzbund (in Germany) which are dedicated to the protection of children. Visit their websites for further information. Thanks for refusing violence.
Freundlichkeit82 2 months ago in playlist Weitere Videos von nadineblock
"spanking" or whatever name you ppl want to give it, is a sadistic practice performed by cowardly adults who are too lazy & inept to explain/demonstrate 'actions & consequences' to their children in a way they can understand.....
supahdupahguy81 4 months ago
SHow me a promotial video also with boys not only girls! Like only girls are spanked!
marketanarchist2011 4 months ago
I was spanked when growing up and if a child acts out to a point they're being a brat destroying shit, i don't see why parents shouldn't spank but not to the point it's a beating. I myself wouldn't spank my kid, tried it once, didn't feel right. instead I threaten to take shit, or do the count down. it works.every.time
BatmanSucksMyBanana 5 months ago 5
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@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 In my opinion you're initial instinct on the matter made more sense. People have a really hard time emotionally admitting to themselves that their caregivers made mistakes or that they have made mistakes, but I think it's best to always be honest with one's self. Most people aren't emotionally able to do that.
ladederose 6 months ago
Good message. Spanking of children is wrong.
natalieracheltuscany 6 months ago
Thank you for posting this beautiful, sad video. To those that think spanking is ok, I get it. You're just repeating what you learned from your own parents- a very tragic, vicious circle.
willrobinson1229 6 months ago
*believe
ladederose 6 months ago
Once as a kid I saw my mum beat my teenage sister (then) with a broom stick in front of her friends. Since then, aside from her being an alcoholic, I've lost all respect for my mom. She's changed but I do not respect her at all because of those things she did. Never once did she beat me and she never will lay a hand on me.
ImNotYourFriend212 6 months ago
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". . . there are many different ways children across cultures are brought up, this is why you cannot unalaterally say that spanking is harmful and abusive."
You also can't say that it isn't. Once again, we have to move beyond inductive reasoning since it doesn't prove anything in this case.
Anyway, I'm not going to keep spoon feeding you information that you could look up yourself. In the real world, most of the time, no one gives a d@mn about your kids, and if you want to give
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ladederose 6 months ago
"That's why children are little screw ups today because they aren't taught how to behave."
Many factors are involved in children being "screwed up" today. How many parents make healthful, homecooked meals for their kids anymore?
Anyway, my point about there being no absolute proof was that if we want to find the truth, we can't wait for someone to serve it up to us on a silver platter. We have to move beyond inductive reasoning to other types of reasoning.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose LOL! How old are you? The reason many of these children are little screw ups today is there is no discipline in the home. I grew up with plenty of friends from difference social standings and many of them didn't get a home cooked meal. However, most of them graduated and most of them grew up to be responsible people.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Just because you can create submissive people through other means such as rape, mutilation, etc, doesn't mean that spanking isn't harmful.
ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose You are so limited in your thinking. I said I can create submissive behavior without hitting them doesn't mean I would have to resort to other forms of violence. I said it can be done. That's not the point period.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken I'm not saying that creating a submissive person would only be wrong of you resort to violence. I think that no matter how you create a submissive person, it would always be wrong.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose No what you are saying is that people use spanking to promote submissive behavior and that's BS. People use spanking to teach consequences of bad behavior. There is a difference. If you want to create a submissive person then you would apply techniques to promote those goals and I am sorry but spanking isn't one of them. By the way those studies you keep touting is far from conclusive.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Well spanking could also lead to over-aggression. I guess I left that out before. It could also lead to masochism or sadism.
You say that this is not an opinion issue. I guess that you think that your view is correct. I think that my view is correct. There is research to support both sides of many issues (eg. does God exist?), but still people do not agree.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Oh? I see so you know this for a fact because many of the people I have seen have never been spanked and have serious over aggression issues. Can a person be abused and have over aggression issues? Yes, but again spanking doesn't promote over aggression but a consequence of bad behavior.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Just because spanking makes an individual more likely to become over-agressive doesn't mean that some people who were not spanked will not also be over-agressive and vise versa.
"To say that parents should spank because it hurts them is foolish."
It doesn't just hurt them in the short term, it also harms them in the long run.
If you hadn't been hurt by spanking, you wouldn't have had to get over it. Just because you got over it doesn't mean it was justifed.
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ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose That's the point. You are making an assumption without evidence. You have no proof that someone who was spanked as a child is more aggressive than someone who was not. Sorry but you have no evidence of long term damage either. Are you saying that I should have to have gotten over being grounded either? That hurt too. It hurt differently but hey pain is pain right?
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken I feel sympathy for anyone who had to go through spanking. People get over a lot of hurtful things that happened to them though without thinking that way that they were treated was morally right. Everyone's parents made mistakes. It's ok to recognize the mistakes that our parents made. It doesn't make us bad people. We can judge an act without judging the person who did it.
ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose Why? I got what I deserved. I misbehaved and I was punished. It taught me not to lie or to misbehave in public.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken That could have achieved through non-punative means. If you really think that you deserved to be spanked, I think that is sad that your parents made you belief that about yourself.
ladederose 6 months ago 5
@ladederose Anyone who says this doesn't know children very well.
Ryooken 6 months ago 2
@Ryooken I used to babysit a lot for my little cousins who had a genuine respect for me. I treated them with genuine respect. I treated them like human beings and that is why they trusted me. Respect and trust are not built on fear.
Anyway, how many other people did you see your parents hit? Certainly you were not the worst person that your parents ever came across.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose There is a big difference between babysitting and raising children. As a babysitter you did not lay down the rules, that's the parents job. As a babysitter you don't usually hand out punishment for bad behavior again that's the parents job. I didn't give my babysitters a hard time either because I knew that there would be consequences to my behavior. I suggest you learn this because if you have children, you will be tested and I won't be the one running the test.
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Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken As you mature and learn more you should learn that every child is different and what works for one child doesn't work on all of them. Some children require very little discipline but a gentle reminder or two. That's not everyone and I personally know of several children that will say in public that had it not been for their parent's chastisement they would have turned out very badly. You have no experience should learn this.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Oh one more thing, just because parents punish their children doesn't mean that they don't treat them like human beings. You have some confusion there. They are treated like children not adults. That's the difference.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken I'm a very nice person. I've had a lot of people tell me that I'm the nicest person that they know. I've been nice to complete strangers, and if anyone on this entire planet deserves my patience and kindness it's my own flesh and blood. I've never lost my temper with anyone even if they were disrespcetful to me and I genuinely didn't like them. I have confidance in my ability to remain patient and to be kind with my own kids one day.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose It doesn't matter how nice you are. I can't explain this any better to you. When you have children, you will understand. I suggest you think about what I am saying because the worse thing you can do to the world is unleash undisciplined little children upon them. Simultaniously the worst thing you can do to a child is to unleash them on the world. It's just that simple.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken
*disrespectful, *confidence
It may be difficult or it may not be, but to be honest, I believe that if anyone can raise happy, healthy, genuinely caring kids definitely without physical punishment and even without any form of punishment, I can. I'm not going to go into parenting with a bad attitude. I'm not going to "demonize" my kids or view every mistake that they make as a deliberate attempt to hurt me or anyone.
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ladederose 6 months ago 8
@Ryooken I think that kids do genuinely want to get along with their parents, but they give up to an extent if their parents punish them or otherwise reject them. I mean kids rely on their parents for survival. It's only natural that they would be wired to try to get along with their own parents. I think that when parents tell a kid that he/she is "bad" though, or give him/her that impression, that the kid will start to believe it and act that way. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.
ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose While children may want to get along with their parents, they also want to get what they want. Children only know what they are taught or observe. If a child doesn't understand that sacrifices must be made for them to do things or aren't told that their parents aren't required to give them everything. They just expect to get what they want. If you are too nice to them they think they can walk all over you. I have seen it happen.
Ryooken 6 months ago
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@Ryooken Most children still want to get along with their parents but they also want their parents to set limits and always remember this. If you don't teach children to behave then you will not have children prepared to live life as an adult. Parents who want to be friends with their children are not usually good parents, in itself that become abuse because you aren't preparing children for obedience to the laws of the land.
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Ryooken 6 months ago
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@Ryooken What do you think will happen if they act like fools with the police etc.? They will be punished. Let me tell you a story. I knew a young man when I was working. He came to me angry. He said that his dad hit him after he decided to verbally disrespect his father and then proceded to tell his father that he didn't have to listen to him. I said what did you do? After a short explaination the boy admitted he was wrong but then said he was angry.
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Ryooken 6 months ago
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@Ryooken Because his father had never hit him but then after all that he did to his father he popped him. He said it would have been different if he had been popping him all along but he suddenly just hit. I told him why and this is what I said. I said that your father was trying to be friends with you, and when you started acting is an disrespectful and disobedient manner, he realized his mistake and tried to correct it. You are angry over that correction.
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Ryooken 6 months ago
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@Ryooken He said yes, he was. I asked him plainly. Did you deserve what you got? He said he probably did but he just got upset. I told him that at his age he should not have been acting like this and to make peace with his father. He did later but you see the damage that's done when parents refuse to act for fear of hurting or disappointing their child? I hope so. That's all I have to say on this subject.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Thanks for sharing your point of view. Take care.
ladederose 6 months ago
@Ryooken i spank my two year old daughter and shes not sceared of me!!! spanking is a punishment not to hurt them
MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 6 months ago
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 That's a great way to teach future women to accept abuse from their future boyfriend/husband. The lesson that you are teaching is that pain and love go hand in hand. Also, she's two for Christ’s sake. What can you expect from a two year old?
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose my brothers spanked me till i was 18 and iam not sceared of them and the whiped my ass with the damn belt
MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 6 months ago
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 Your brothers spanked you? That is illegal even in the United States.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose my mother and father died when i was 12 and my oldest brother got custode of me and my 3 other brothers so thats why they spanked me
MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 6 months ago
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 You have my sympathy for your loss of your parents. That must have been very difficult.
You said though that your oldest brother was the one who had custody of you, yet your brothers, as in not just the brother who had custody, spanked you. It was definitely illegal for the brother(s) who did not have custody to spank you even in the United States. Your brother who had custody was legally supposed to protect you. Letting your other brother(s) spank you was illegal.
ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose my other brothers didnt spank me just swated my butt thats all and when i was that young i would agree but that was untill i figured out that the do it because they love me thats why i spanked my 2 year old daughter and when my twins get older i will spank them
MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 6 months ago
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 In my opinion you're initial instinct on the matter made more sense. People have a really hard time emotionally admitting to themselves that their caregivers made mistakes or that they have made mistakes, but I think it's best to always be honest with one's self. Most people aren't emotionally able to do that.
ladederose 6 months ago 2
@ladederose "Most people aren't emotionally able to do that." That's my theory at least. I hope you'll consider it.
Why do you say you will spank your twins? It sounds like they are even younger than two. You don't know how they will behave yet when they are older. Why not give them a chance?
ladederose 6 months ago
@MSLOVEROFNICKJONAS79 I know none of my God children or my nephews neices etc. are afraid of me either. They may be afraid of being punished by that's about it. Punishment is a deterrent for bad behavior.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken You have no right to punish your nieces, nephews or God children. You should go to jail for that. You even said yourself in an earlier comment to me that it's not the place of a person to "discipline" someone else's kid.
ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose Correction I have every right. It states legal that any person that is standing in the place of a parent has the right to punish children in their charge. That's the law. I suggest you review it. Show me where I said it's not the place for a person to punish someone that wasn't a parent.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken I didn't know that you stood in the place of those people's parents. The laws are different in different states though.
"There is a big difference between babysitting and raising children. As a babysitter you did not lay down the rules, that's the parents job. As a babysitter you don't usually hand out punishment for bad behavior again that's the parents job." This is why I thought that you thought people shouldn't punish other people's kids.
ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose I thought I explained this already. Let me be clear, there is a difference between you being a part time babysitter and you standing in the place of a parent. It's not to say that aunts uncles and other authority figures in the child's life don't have the authority to discipline children far from it but a babysitter doesn't usually care that authority. For example, when I grew up teachers had the same authority as parents.
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Ryooken 6 months ago
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@Ryooken sorry typo carry that authority.
I did not imply that only parents could punish children without exception but as a part-time person that isn't instrumental in the care of those charges, they don't have that authority. For example, a babysitter doesn't have the same authority unless given by the parents but a governance would. Understand? I hope that clarifies things.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Ah, thanks for clarifying.
ladederose 6 months ago
@Ryooken I can explore the science and reasoning to support both sides of an issue and come to a different conclusion than you. People experience the world differently and have different conceptions of reality, so anything could be an opinion issue.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Actually you're not here is why. If you had done that then you would have suspended your belief one way or the other. You have claimed that people would be more creative if they were not spanked. As I have proven that's not the case and you wouldn't have said that people would be better if they have not been spanked again not the case. To be objective you have to study the behavior of children accross the gambit and then rule out all other problems until you get to the bottom.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Also, people have different methods of thinking and as I said before, different values. A positive desirable result to you isn't necessarily a positive desirable result to me. Your idea of a “messed up” kid is probably different than mine. A lot of the terms that we use are subjective.
ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose Whether people have different methods of thinking isn't the point here. What is the point that you are claiming something that you cannot prove. Case in point it's a known fact that children do not understand their parent's reasons for doing what they did during their childhood and don't appreciate how they were raised until they hit about 40 years old. Can I prove that? No I can't. You cannot prove your suppositions about spanking. continued
Ryooken 6 months ago
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@Ryooken To say that parents should spank because it hurts them is foolish. In that case parents shouldn't punish their children at all because all forms of effective punishment hurts. That's why it's called punishment. You see I can speak from experience as to what it's like to be spanked. It hurt but I got over it and did what I was supposed to do and believe me I am very well educated and very practiced in many sciences.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken I never said that it would be impossible for a person to be responsible if they had been spanked. That really does not contradict anything that I said. I have said that people will be better off overall if they are not spanked.
There is research to support both sides of the spanking issue, but there is more research to support the idea that spanking is harmful. To me, that side has better points. If you read the research for both sides, I don't know what conclusion you will
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ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose You cannot make that claim either because it's not based in reality. I know those that have been spanked and those that haven't and I can tell the difference in their understanding of boundaries, respect, understanding, and their belief in their stance that whatever they think is right and that's it. Sound familiar?
Ryooken 6 months ago
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ladederose 6 months ago
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Ryooken:
Who knows how much better an individual could have turned out had they been treated with the upmost level of respect by their parents instead of being made to submit to a culturally accepted version of sexual abuse? I don’t think most human beings come anywhere close to reaching their full potential.
ladederose 6 months ago
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Who knows how much better an individual could have turned out had they been treated with the upmost level of respect by their parents instead of being made to submit to a culturally accepted version of sexual abuse? I don’t think most human beings come anywhere close to reaching their full potential.
ladederose 6 months ago
I don’t think that in order to determine if spanking helps a person or not we should look at only whether they are more inventive or better in any way than other people, since everyone has a different genetic potential. I think that in order to know of it spanking is helpful, we should compare an individual to what they could have been.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Well since there is no way to do that at the present time, good luck with that. The fact is that you are equating spanking with child abuse and I am sorry but you are wrong. Anything can be used to abuse a child. I can show you a thousand ways to abuse a child and you never have to hit them. If you want to say that child abuse is wrong, hey I am there with ya, but to say spanking is wrong or grounding is wrong or pick any method because it's painful, then you are incorrect.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@TheJake3214 It only proves that it works on you. There is no set pattern for child rearing. I have 3 nephews, the oldest one I have never had to spank, the middle one never took me seriously until I put my hand on his butt, the last one was just wild so spanking him was a hit or miss process.
Ryooken 7 months ago
Actually most of the prison inmates were the ones who were spanked as kids. If you want to keep your kids out of jail, you'd be better off not spanking them and instead demonstrating good behavior. Kids learn through example.
Also, morals have nothing to do with fear of the consequences to an individual. If you run a fear-based household, what happens when the kids get older and that fear is gone? True moral reasoning skills last. Fear doesn't. Fear inhibits true moral development.
ladederose 7 months ago 2
@ladederose Oh tell that to the people of Singapore. Not only do they spank children but adults. They did a show about this and a guy that raped a girl in Singapore got caned. He was asked if he would ever rape a girl in Singapore? He said no. Guess what he is in jail in the US for rape. Children around the world have been spanked and if that is the case, the prisons would be full.
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Ryooken 7 months ago
@Ryooken It's very easy to claim this while ignoring the other factors like racism that played a part of adults going to prison. If you objectively examine the facts, then you will come to the conclusion that people didn't go to prison because they were spanked, they went to prison because of other factors.
Ryooken 7 months ago
@Ryooken I'm not saying that everyone who was spanked will end up in prison. Most people, whether they were spanked or not don't go to prison. I am saying that most of the people in prison were spanked though. I was aware about the caning of adults in Singapore. In many countries wre spanking is legal, it is also common practice to use intentional physical pain on adults, in households (by husbands usually), or in the courts.
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ladederose 7 months ago
@ladederose Oh? How did you come to that conclusion? So you interviewed everyone in prison to see if they were spanked and that's why they're in prison? My point to you is that even though you may believe physical punishment isn't a deterrent for bad behavior the evidence that it is, is massive. Regardless punishment for misbehavior is how we raise children whether that punishment is physical or not it hurts them.
Ryooken 7 months ago
@Ryooken " So you interviewed everyone in prison to see if they were spanked and that's why they're in prison?"
I could say the same to you. Have you interviewed everyone in prison to see if they are there because they had parents that were too lenient?
I do think that in some cases, with some types of kids, spanking can cause short-term compliance, but that's about it. They are going to figure out that in the real world, people don't always get caught.
ladederose 7 months ago
@Ryooken You have an interesting point about any form of punishment hurting kids. Maybe you're on to something there. Maybe punishment isn't needed at all. Maybe there is a better way that doesn't include any form of punishment. Can you think of a time when you were motivated to do the right thing, even when there was no fear involved? I can.
ladederose 7 months ago
@Ryooken As far as Scottland, I don't know if the kids there are really that unruly or not, but if it is true, that could be for any number of reasons.
Even if spanking worked to make a kid well behaved, the long-term consequences of spanking are devastating to a one's overall wellbeing. It teaches a child that their body is not their personal property. It teaches submission. Parents are supposed to show their kid what it feels like to be respected so that he/she knows what to look for.
ladederose 7 months ago
@ladederose Really? The same could be said for grounding or any form of punishment for that matter. Here is the problem with this logic. Thomas Eddison was spanked. Many geniuses were spanked. Many productive members of society were spanked. Where are the harmful effects? You see the problem I have with this are studies that are based on an agenda. You have entire countries of over achievers like Japan who have been spanked. The problem here is abuse and not spanking.
Ryooken 7 months ago
@Ryooken I think a lot of the people in the world thus far who were/are considered "geniuses" were likely born as autistic savants; great in one or a few areas, but not well -rounded in their thinking, likely not emotionally healthy, and not necessarily content.
No matter how much you punish a child, you can't turn them into a savant (and you wouldn't want to; it's harmful), but if you want to make a child smarter, there are a lot of things you can do.
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ladederose 7 months ago
@Ryooken There is a lot of evidence that spanking inhibits a person’s intellectual development. If you go onto nospank.net, then scroll down towards the bottom of the page, there is a link called "Research." If you click on that, you will find links to a number of resources that explain the negative consequences of spanking, some of which explain the damage to a person's mental development, and some of which explain the other harmful effects of childhood spanking.
ladederose 7 months ago
@Ryooken The people in countries like Japan are not usually creative or independent-minded though. Their culture stresses conformity. If your definition of parenting success is unquestioning obedience to authority, and methodical "computer" thinking, then I guess you probably would define the Japanese as being "achievers," but if you want a person who can see the big picture, who is happy, creative, healthy, curious, open to new ideas, and "whole" then punishment doesn't yield success.
ladederose 7 months ago
@ladederose That's a nice dodge but the fact remains whether Japan is inventive or not their country has a high rate of excellence, and they still use physicial punishment. As to them not thinking in the big picture, you are wrong again. You see it was the US that didn't believe in spanking etc. that were short sighted, and developed the electronics but it's the Japanese that improved it and made electronics their industry over all.
Ryooken 7 months ago
@Ryooken In every country though, there are people who were not spanked. Those people might be the ones inventing things; they might not represent the general population of a country. For the most part, I think that the vast majority of people in every country are pretty low-functioning. Maybe the few that were not spanked in the countries with high rate of spanking benefit because they have so many mindless submissive schmucks around them that they can have work for them.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose You said In every country though, there are people who were not spanked. Those people might be the ones inventing things; they might not represent the general population of a country.
Okay so what. Are you trying to say that inventions only come from people who have not been spanked? If that's the case then I suggest that you stop right there because you are dead wrong. Example, Thomas Eddison was spanked both at home and in school and he gave us several things.
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Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Now you want to talk about inventions here is where your theory fails. Not only have black people been spanked but oppressed and some of the greatest inventions came out of our community. GW Carver, Charles Drew etc.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Well, movie stars don't exactly hold high statuses most of the time. In the case of other people who were spanked, I think that they would have turned out better and be more at peace had they not been spanked.
I agree that every factor in childhood effects the way a person will be in adulthood, and I think that if everything else was the same in the childhoods of a set of twins where one was spanked and the other wasn't, that the spanked twin would have lower potential.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Maybe in your book movie stars don't rate very high, but we were talking about creativity were we not. That's an opinion not fact based on anything but your personal views, we are talking about reality and not what you would wish or believe. Doubtful, I know twins that have been spanked and both are in MIT. Again you are speaking about what you believe not what is true or not true based on objective evidence.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Why do you think that Europe overall is so much more advanced than Africa overall?
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose I don't actually believe you posted this. Are you kidding? The reason that Europe has more stable countries than Africa is because Europe was poor and impoverished, invaded Africa, stole the wealth, the resources and then have used the power they gained from that to keep Africa unstable for well over 500 years. I suggest you learn history before you cast dispersions about Africa.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Whether Africa overall or Europe overall was more advanced than the other, doesn’t matter when it comes to whether a specific individual would be better or worse off of they had been spanked in childhood. There are so many differences in the way that people are raised in different parts of the world and in different specific families that could attribute to differences. None of your inductive reasoning type arguments prove anything; correlation does not equal causation.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Actually it must or you would not have brought it up. Yes, you are right there are many different ways children across cultures are brought up, this is why you cannot unalaterally say that spanking is harmful and abusive.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken None of the scenarios that you bring up include both a control group and an experimental group. You say for example, that Thomas Edison was spanked, but we don’t have a Thomas Edison that wasn’t spanked, but was treated exactly the same in every other way to compare him to. We don’t have a control group. Since we don't have any neatly packaged experiments like this on spanking we can't provide absolute proof for black-and-white thinkers to prove that spanking either helps or harms.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Thank you that's my point. You cannot claim that Eddison or anyone for that matter would have done better if he hadn't been spanked. What we can show is that children who have been disciplined live more productive lives. Whether that includes spanking is nominal.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken In the past parents made a lot of mistakes because they didn’t know any better. They painted their houses with lead paint. They fed their families lard on toast. Some of their kids turned out to be relatively smart compared to the others, but that doesn’t mean that eating lard on toast or using lead paint in your house is not harmful or that their kids would not have turned out better with healthier alternatives.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Yep parents do make a lot of mistakes but disciplining their children isn't one of them. If a child deserved a spanking and that form of discipline works then hey they got what they deserves. That's why children are little screw ups today because they aren't taught how to behave. You see them everywhere and it's because their parents are afraid to look like abusers and discipline their children.
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Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken There is a think tank that did a study on this and found out something interesting. After people took discipline away from the parents and out of the schools they found a glorious thing. The teachers were afraid of the principals, the principals were scared of the super intendents, the super intendents were scared of the school board and the school board were afraid of the parents and the parents were afraid of the children, and the children wasn't scared of anyone.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken your kids the best chances, you'll probably have to research it yourself. Why would anyone else want to help your family when they have families of their own and kids who will be competing with your kids? My view on parents who spank is that they are suckers who are going to be creating little submissive, masochistic worker bees to be used by those people who came from better homes. If you really can't understand that, then your family should be in worker bee roles.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose We aren't talking about your personal opinion. We are talking about reality. You can create submissives without having to hit them. That's not the point, the point is that children need both love and discipline and sometimes that comes in the form of punishment for bad behavior. You can state you don't like spanking as a form of punishment. That's fine but don't claim all this other nonsense there is no viable proof that any of that is true.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken
I'm 22.
The world is a different place today than it was when you grew up, so why would parents act in the same way as parents did before research on the affects of spanking was extremely abundant and readily available? You've got to change with the times in order to give your kids a chance to compete in the world.
ladederose 6 months ago
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@ladederose Oh in other words you really haven't experienced much of anything yet. That's where you're wrong the world isn't different it's the adults that have changed because they haven't been taught. What research? Here is the problem people with an agenda to eliminate child abuse went on a witch hunt to eliminate all physical punishment and in reality all disciplinary actions period. I remember when this began and I watched how the behavior of the young deteriorated over time.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken As far as your idea that spanking a 16 or 17 year old alone in a room could turn into sexual abuse, I don't agree with that exactly because I think that spanking a 16 or 17 year old (or anyone) is always sexual abuse. The butt is a sexual part of the body. A lot of guys are obsesses with the butts of women. If an adult ever touches another person's butt without invitation that is sexual assault. I think it's naive to think that a lot of teachers won't get off on that.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose LOL! I know guys that are obsessed with the feet of people too. Does that mean that when people in Turkey beat the soles of people's feet that somehow sexual? No it doesn't. Anymore than it does when a person is attracted to someone's face but if you slap someone that makes it sexual. The fact is that you are biased.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken I think most males in the US would probably consider an attractive woman’s butt to be more sexual than her women’s feet. Anyway, maybe teachers shouldn’t be able to inflict pain on any part of a student’s body.
I think that we have pretty different mental maps. I think that your opinion on spanking is affected by what you believe to be true about the world and how human beings develop, and also what you think is important and of value; vice versa for me.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Again not the point. You are mixing apples and oranges. Straight boys consider any part of a woman's body to be attractive, that's got nothing to do with punishment. You spank young people because they did something to deserve it not because you want sex. No, it's not what I believe to be true. These are facts. This is reality. I have well over 40 years of experience in life. I have seen no evidence that children are harmed by spanking that isn't abusive.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken I think that the reason that you don't see any evidence that spanking is harmful is because you don't look for it. If you would read about it you would at least understand the arguments against spanking, even if you don't agree with them. The nerves in the butt lead to sexual nerve centers. Kids are wired sexually from the day that they are born, not when puberty starts. It's basic physiological science. For more info read "The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children" by Tom Johnson.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose I would say that either. I have seen children who were abused and mistreated. I have also seen children who are spanked as part of their discipline. So yes, I do know the difference and as I said nothing in my 40 years of experience shows this. Oh please spare me this nonsense. Nerves register the sensations as pain unless you are a masochist, you are not going to receive pleasure from your bottom. It's these wild claims that destroy your argument.
Ryooken 6 months ago
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@Ryooken I also think that we just have different methods of thinking. If we keep conversing on this topic, I think we will just keep finding that many of our other beliefs contradict. The interaction of beliefs that make up of a person’s opinion on a particular topic can be complex. If you are open to it and want to read some of the research and information which supports the idea that spanking is harmful, I recommend the sources that I suggested before.
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ladederose 6 months ago
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@Ryooken If you want to know more about the reasons some people are opposed to spanking kids, you can probably learn more from these sources than from anything I could ever say.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Didn't we cover this? The butt like the rest of the body can serve multiple purposes and you cannot say because a person get's turned on by watch young women's behinds that means something where spanking is concerned. That's the problem with most males they think only in terms of breasts and bottoms. Sorry that's not the point. Spanking doesn't just include the bottom. Some have spanked the backs of the legs too. Get my point now?
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Electronics is a field for "small picture" people. You don't have to have much of an understanding of anything that goes on in the world around you to understand electronics.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose You said "Electronics is a field for "small picture" people. You don't have to have much of an understanding of anything that goes on in the world around you to understand electronics." Oh quite the contrary, not only do you have to understand the world around you with electronics but think about it this way, you are talking about creating pictures that send messages accross empty space and you don't think that is brilliant?
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Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Major scientists have admitted to being spanked, movie stars, actors, actresses, heads of state both here and in other countries, have admitted to being spanked. You theory doesn't even hold any water whatsoever. Problems with child development are about environmental issues i.e. the food, the water, the air, their parents genetic make up, etc.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Was the rate of pro-spanking parents ever that much higher in Japan than it was in the US? As far as I know, both countries have had a pretty similar percentage of pro-spankers. I think that the non-spanked citizens of both countries have a better chance of being inventive and healthy and the spanked citizens of both countries loose out generally speaking. I think that the majority of citizens in both countries are not too healthy.
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ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose Yes, it was and to an extention is. You see not only were the parents pro spanking but they endorse corporal punishment in schools. So yes, they have been very pro-spanking. Yes, there are children in Japan that have never been spanked but I will say they are probably in the minority not the majority.
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Did you know that some schools in certain US states still have allow legal corporal punishment of students in school, just like in Japan? You have nasty perverts who can legally spank 17 year old young women and men in this country in public schools. Do you not see a potential problem with this?
I also think that the majority of parents in both countries probably did spank, but the sheeple eveywhere do a lot of irrational things.
ladederose 6 months ago
@ladederose You have a very twisted mind calling the people who spank children perverted. Yes, I know that in some schools they still allow corporal punishment. I went to Catholic school and I am very familiar with it. Actually you're wrong America started the no spanking crusade around 1972. Japan didn't stop spanking in most schools until 1993. So Japan's striving for excellence has been going strong for a very long time. I will get back to your school thing in a minute. continued
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Yes, I see the potential problem with spanking 16 & 17 year olds. Yes, being alone in a room with a woman or a man could potentially cause a problem as far as a sexual assault going on. However, it's really not the point, that could develop any time with any thing. What needs to be determined is paddling a deterrent in high school?
Ryooken 6 months ago
@Ryooken Fortunately, there are many countries that have outlawed the spanking of children including, but not limited to: Sweden (1979), Finland (1983), Norway (1987), (1997), Germany (2000), Israel (2000), Greece (2006), Netherlands (2007), New Zealand (2007), Republic of Moldova (2008), Luxembourg (2008), Liechtenstein (2008), and Poland (2010). In these countries no one can legally causes physical pain to anyone and it is working out well for them.
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@ladederose Yes, and we have seen the results in Scotland parents have to call parent protective services. Children have become unruly because of lack of discipline. Parents are afraid of their own children and need protection from law enforcement. So yeah it works great.
Ryooken 7 months ago
@Ryooken *Norway (1987), Germany (2000)
ladederose 7 months ago
is light physical pain punishment (spanking) really much worse than emotional pain punishment (eg time out)?
MysticalNinja64 7 months ago
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We live in an MTV-Jerry springer type generation. Parent if you don't raise your kids those two will.
newj34 7 months ago
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We live in an MTV-Jerry springer type generation. Parent if you don't raise your kids those two will.
newj34 7 months ago
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The scientific community is also in complete opposition to what God has spoken...so I pay them very little mind. I was spanked as a child...I'm thankful I was. If more people were like me, their would be no need for alcohol, drugs...no prisons...their would be no mischievous behavior & or violent crimes. I'm very passionate about doing the right thing...in fact I have been told I act like and old man...which suits me just fine. I call it maturity.
newj34 7 months ago
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The scientific community is also in complete opposition to what God has spoken...so I pay them very little mind. I was spanked as a child...I'm thankful I was. If more people were like me, their would be no need for alcohol, drugs...no prisons...their would be no mischievous behavior & or violent crimes. I'm very passionate about doing the right thing...in fact I have been told I act like and old man...which suits me just fine. I call it maturity.
newj34 7 months ago
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First off a child should not be confronting their parents. You have a serious emotional problem if you think being spanked has left you scarred for life. We have to many spoiled brats in the world now. And your just compounding the problem
newj34 7 months ago
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Uh what's with the negative votes? I agree with everything they say.
808sw 7 months ago
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I'm just want to know who thumbs down all of my comments to it's not visible. I just think it's a load of crap. Someone really has a lot of time on their hands.
sodakandy 7 months ago
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How spanking feels! How's it suppose to feel? hey parent! How does them going to prison feel? Using drugs...or getting pregnant...telling you to go to hades...maybe children should be running the planet & parents should be in the sandbox.
newj34 7 months ago
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@newj34 Exactly. Spankings aren't suppose to be enjoyable.
sodakandy 7 months ago
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sodakandy 7 months ago
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spanking is discipline ur kid if u dont hit them they hit you
dvlite123 7 months ago
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Yes! They should have respect for their authority figures. That's through spankings. Yes. Your children should fear that if they get caught doing the wrong thing they will get punished for it. Not all fear is unhealthy.
newj34 7 months ago
Asking a child how they feel about being spanked is sort of silly...I never met a child that enjoys being told no. Correction is for their own good...not their enjoyment. It's not like they giveaway free spankings with every happy meal.
newj34 7 months ago
Love without disiplane is not love at all. We have a responsibility as parents to ensure our children stay clear of danger/trouble...not walk headlong into it. If taking away the X-BOX or sending them to timeout works fine! But a parent should never allow their children to put them in a position where they are no longer in charge...that's absurd. And utterly irrational. Children don't have all the evidence to make & informed decision.
newj34 7 months ago
50 years ago we did not have to worry about children bringing guns to school & blowing someones head off... Quit seeing children as innocent...your little baby is one day going to become a full grown adult...how they turn out depends a lot on how you raise them now.
newj34 7 months ago
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Exercise power over them! Your the parent...their the child...your not their friend...they'll have plenty of those to help them screw up their lives. Your job as parent is to build character & integerity. Which is to do the right thing. Which I am very passionate about thanks to my father. If more people were raised like I was we would have no need for prisons. Their would be no violence whatsoever.
newj34 7 months ago
Exercise power over them! Your the parent...their the child...your not their friend...they'll have plenty of those to help them screw up their lives. Your job as parent is to build character & integerity. Which is to do the right thing. Which I am very passionate about thanks to my father. If more people were raised like I was we would have no need for prisons. Their would be no violence whatsoever.
newj34 7 months ago
It is very hard for some people to come to terms with physical punishment in childhood. Our parents loved us...how could they intentionally cause pain to us? Some people refuse to examine their feelings and say , "I got hit as a kid and I turned out OK!" or "I got hit and I deserved it." It's OK to hate how we were treated as a child and still love our parents. There is a mountain of research published in many universities all over the world showing that corporal punishment is harmful.
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@nadineblock I see where you're coming from but what else do you want us to say? "I was spanked and I turned out a horrible person?" Why say something like that when it's not my truth?
sodakandy 7 months ago
@nadineblock In my opinion, if you confront your parents, tell them how horrible it was for you, and they make excuses or get defensive i.e. "We did the best we could, we did it because we loved you" etc.... then they don't truly love you. If you love someone then the thought of putting them in a situation where you're forcibly inflicting pain on them wouldn't even cross your mind.
andrewh817 7 months ago 14
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@andrewh817 Well for one you're not suppose to talk back to your parents. I honestly think that you were actually abused. Seek help.
sodakandy 7 months ago
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To all anti spankers: I hate to burst your bubbles because some of you actually make good points, but most of the "facts" that you've researched on, If you really think about it they aren't really facts. As many people you argued with and said "they turn out fine" just proves that your "facts" isn't necessarily accurate, so that doesn't make them facts that just makes it a test. It's like saying 'my boyfriend cheated on me because the lie detecter said so. It's not valid
sodakandy 7 months ago
If you want hard facts, Google "The Bomb in the Brain." Like it or not, abuse causes brain damage.
andrewh817 7 months ago
I was spanked by both parents and they were the most terrifying, humiliating, and frustrating experiences of my life. I can vividly remember screaming "I hate you!" several times in primal rage at my complete lack of power to do anything to stop it. What can a kid do? Run away? Go to the authorities and get put into social services? Tell other adults, many of whom are either too afraid of confrontation or too evil to help?
andrewh817 7 months ago
Haha! i'm sorry, but I find this video was quite ridiculous . I mean, the children that drew these pictures weren't spanked. They were abused. If they were spanked then they were spanked for unnecessary reasons. Imo I don't think spanking is abusive. I think every has a choice to spank your children or not. Not saying all kids should be spanked, but I don't spankings should be called abuse
sodakandy 8 months ago 2
@sodakandy What's your definition of abuse? And what is a necessary reason to spank a child(I'd like a concrete example)?
andrewh817 7 months ago
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@andrewh817 My definition of abuse is kicking, punching, and bruising the child etc. Out of anger. I can give you a necessary reason and a unnecessary reason. The unnecessary reason is if you spanked the child for every mistake they do, for example. Spanking a child over spilled milk is abusive. A necessary reason is when the child has done something really bad. Like acting out in class and being disrupted in class. Imo I think that is a necessary reason to spank at home. always spank at home.
sodakandy 7 months ago
Me: Mom I've gotta go kill 58 child haters.
Mom: Don't go alone.
Me: Don't worry. Theres 71 others coming with me.
silverhydra15 8 months ago
everythihg in existence is only a manifestation of the energies that are contaned in it. THe human spirit stores negative energetic inbalances that come out in alot of different ways including violence, misbehavior , and even disease. The only way that the spirit can heal is under the conditions of love, forgiveness, compassion and mercy. Nobodys spirit has ever or will ever heal in an atmospere of condemnation, judgment , fear, or punishment. Embrace the positive and it will spread !
davluc1 8 months ago
lol spanking does NOT hurt lol idiots
Xxemmanuelx 8 months ago
Yeah control is the point...I'm not bringing children in this world to have them tell me what to do...if you think so you have one too many loose screws.
newj34 8 months ago
@newj34 So you're having kids to exercise power over them? That's one of the must power hungry and evil reasons anyone could have a kid....in fact parents with your mindset are to blame for many of the dozens of social problems faced worldwide.
andrewh817 7 months ago
@andrewh817 It's not a exercise, it's their job as a parent. It's not like people who spank are nazis. @newj34 is right. You are the parent not the best friend. You're child is not in controll of how you handle them, if they did then they may think that they are in charge. Plus you can't reason and have a descent coversation with a 2 year old people
sodakandy 7 months ago
@sodakandy If you can't reason with them using words then how the hell could a spanking teach them anything besides being scared of their parents and authority figures in general. That viewpoint is nonsense.
andrewh817 7 months ago
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@andrewh817 Good question. That's where most of you guys get confused with. Most spankers do spank and communicate, people. if they don't, then yes that is wrong. From my experience I was spanked and then my mom reasoned with me, but most of the time I knew what I got it for, so usually he didn't have to. But I do suggest communication. I do wish that my mom did communicate with me more though.
sodakandy 7 months ago
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I was smacked as a child and i turned out fine. (kill all human kill all humans) but srsly though i was hit so hard i'd have a hand print for a week and i really don't see what's wrong. i acted like a little idiot and i didn't stop. it's the same as getting yelled at.
origamishishou 9 months ago
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honor21221able 8 months ago
@honor21221able i wasn't exactly going to walk around in public with my pants down was I? and anyway back here in oz laws weren't lik that at the time and still aren't in fact. silly politicians. they're still going on about a non-existant credit crunch.
origamishishou 8 months ago
I love and respect my parents for many reasons getting hit by them is NOT one of them !
davluc1 9 months ago