In addition, your setup and so the one that I have...suffer from the same issue, when the piston is going up...the air trap after the exhaust port can not go anywhere...hence, it is a back pressure that the flywheel must compensate for (reduce efficiency) but for only $ 10.00 worth of parts (the swing check valve and some fittings for the air connection), I will keep it like this !!!
Dan, what is the weight of your flywheel...or the tire that you are using as a flywheel ? I'm curious, I have a similar setup but I'm using a 12 inches sewing wheel (from an old sewing machine) as my flywheel...I need to spin the flywheel hard ...so that it keeps going. In my setup; the air goes through a swing check valve and there is a small wood rod that pushes the valve open every time the piston goes TDC. I think I need a heavier fly wheel.
Why couldnt you use the magneto to run the solenoid with a reststor? Its a pre made timing system and you said that it would give it more power from the solenoid being open longer? Im only asking because I'm doing the same thing and before I buy all the stuff I want to know if its possible?
@ejearpi he uses compressed air which has oil droplets flowing within the air. With steam is a similar principle, steam air has steam oil mixed into steam droplets.
I know how to make this work on a four stroke motor you might find more power from it using the same concept that way you use the air/steam for the full stroke I don;t have the equipment to test it with
Dan, do you have basic plans on this engine, so that someone could copy one at home, to make an electric generator, using steam as the power source? ty
you can see it arking in the reed switch & it will burn out . i recommend using a relay but ..... the timing will need to be changed. anybody think different ? you should make it into a small generator
you can see it arking in the reed switch & it will burn out . i recommend using a relay but ..... the timing will need to be changed. anybody think different ?
This doesn't work for a steam engine because of the temperatures involved. Even if you keep it low pressure and minimal temperature its then not as efficient and the solenoid you would need costs around $300.
It seems like a great idea, but when you do the research its not all its cracked up to be
With compressed air it would work, but it stores less energy then steam
Now the question is, was it the magneto that was causing so much drag or, the compression of the engine at the top of the stroke? When you have the selinoid at the top of the stroke without it open your creating compressed air. The only way to test it is to either open the selinoid without compressed air, or take the magneto off.
I'm using his design to make a compressed air mini bike. Now, what about lubrication? Or throttle control? Could you use the voltage from the magneto to open and clo
put the cap back on and give it a little oil bath. on the output put a T, one end point up and and other end pointing down to drain back into the pool.. and there's your lubrication.
It actually produces several thousand volts. and the resistance you're getting isn't from the magento, it's from compression.
Steam/air engines don't need a lot of lubrication. a few drops of oil every now and then is plenty, they don't get hot like gasoline engines, they actually get colder as they run.
@JakeyCak3z It depends Friction heats up an air engine not as hot as a gasoline engine, if your running something like the weed eater engine for a short time you may not notice because there's a lot more mass to heat up ,have you ever touched a tire hand pump after you've pumped up your bicycle tire, and steam engines definitely get hotter especially when you get above saturated steam. I have a steam bicycle that operates at 750 F
@JakeyCak3z It depends Friction heats up an air engine not as hot as a gasoline engine, if your running something like the weed eater engine for a short time you may not notice because there's a lot more mass to heat up ,have you ever touched a tire hand pump after you've pumped up your bicycle tire, and steam engines definitely get hotter especially when you get above saturated steam. I have a steam bicycle that operates at 750 F
@JakeyCak3z It depends Friction heats up an air engine not as hot as a gasoline engine, if your running something like the weed eater engine for a short time you may not notice because there's a lot more mass to heat up ,have you ever touched a tire hand pump after you've pumped up your bicycle tire, and steam engines definitely get hotter especially when you get above saturated steam. I have a steam bicycle that operates at 750 F
@JakeyCak3z It depends Friction heats up an air engine not as hot as a gasoline engine, if your running something like the weed eater engine for a short time you may not notice because there's a lot more mass to heat up ,have you ever touched a tire hand pump after you've pumped up your bicycle tire, and steam engines definitely get hotter especially when you get above saturated steam. I have a steam bicycle that operates at 750 F
Dan, have you thought of using a hot water tank heated via fresnel? Looking at YouTube I think there are a lot of compressed air units - we need some ideas on steam generation - would love to see what you might come up with...
you've inspired me to create something like this myself, my idea is to get something similar to a bead seater or a cheap air compressor, then instead of using the reed switch, is there anything stopping me simply wiring the spark-plug wire onto the valve? then move the coil around until it's at it's sweet spot, leaving the "accellerator" to the main valve on the air compressor/bead seater?
Awesome job. Just have one question. I noticed that it produces 40 volts. Would it be possible to use that energy to power a compressor? That way the circuit would be self powered....Engine would produce power, that can power the compressor, that can produce pressure, and power the engine. (Just wondering if it would be possible)
@Hidframe If you set the electrical supply up (40 volts from 2-cycle engine + whatever else is needed from another source) properly it would be possible to "help" supply the compressor. However the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics supports me when I say that you cannot make an engine 100% efficient.
@Hidframe I know a system has never been proven to be more than 100% efficient but I actually believe it is possible. Just search "magnetic motor" for perpetual motion... it works by using the repelling action of magnets but it defies the basic laws of physics and has caused a lot of debate.
@waynerd23 Well if you look back in history, event the idea that the sound barrier can be broken, was hugely debated. However that didn't stop people from trying to break it, and eventually succeeding. That's why i believe that people shouldn't give up just because of a textbook law that says its impossible.
And thank you for the tip about the magnetic motor...i seen some fascinating projects done by people on Youtube.
Could you jest attach the switch to the magneto and use that for electricity andtake the wheel of it messing up the rotation but that would be fun to put on a bike oh do you even need a valve
This is really really cool, thax Dan, Now because of you, I now have a better understanding on how a motor works, you've broken it down so that it's very simple, thank you Dan.
My question is a 2 stroke is lubricated through the mixture of oil in the gas , now you don`t have that on this engine ? So in my beliefs the piston , cylinder and piston rings are not lubricated >> is not going to have much of a lifespan and reliability ..
Secondly why can`t you use the exhausted air presure and send or plumb it back into the air holding tank ??
@rvbilly Because having the exhaust go back into the (pressurized) input tank would require the exhaust to be pressurized by the engine. So all the engine's work would be wasted in putting the gas back into the intake tank, and you'd not get anything back out. In reality it wouldn't be quite that simple, but it wouldn't be a viable thing to try and do.
For this to work there needs to be a difference in pressure between the input at the exhaust. If they're both the same pressure it won't.
When I first watched this video I didn't really grasp the concept of the magnets. After watching a few more steam engine vids, I came back and looked at this one again and thought "Hey... this guy is really crafty!"
This isn't an efficient engine at all and certainly not as efficient as a regular steam engine because you're not using all the energy, there's still a lot of pressure left that could be used to do work.
I think you should be measuring DC not AC off a magneto.... You should move the coils and use that to power your valve. It's also not supposed to scrape the flywheel.... out of adjustment. You might also think about mounting a counterweight to the magnet you have on the wheel.... which makes your contraption bounce all over kingdom come. Interesting project.
I like the idea of a 2 stroke used as a air or steam engine! How many 2 stroke engines have I thrown away? Now I have something to work with! Now the trick will be to produce steam or pressurized air with solar energy! Doable...
Hi Dan. Did you find an off the shelf way to fit a slide valve or check valve to a weedeater? I am wanting to make a steam powered weed eater engine to do work around my permaculture property but I am not sure what sort of long life valve to use. I assume using a slide valve or check valve will mean not needing to use a battery and reid switch?
Have you considered or tried using a piston activated valve in the spark plug hole? It would be opened by the piston at Top Dead Center, then closed by a spring pressure as the piston decends. That way you eliminate the battery . The Air Hog airplane toy uses a compressed air engine to power the propeller. It flies pretty good !
the engines have been broken out to use in other airplanes. Good video I have several old weed eater engines taken apart. Was thinking of something similar.
HOW is this modification anything but using airpressure to make an improvised flywheel spin? You're not converting fuel to useful work. This is little more than demonstrating the inverse of an air-compressor system. The whole premise of what an engine is, the relative efficiency of energy conversion and what purpose the 'engine' is used for -- your references to these concepts are all quite muddled and basically incorrect.
Dan, cool idea, but are you sure that coil isn't in reality putting out anywhere from 25,000 to 80,000 volts? The voltage waveform looks like a fast transient. It is very sharp. Also, are you sure your little dvm isn't set up for to measure 60hz AC only. It takes a lot of energy to break the dielectric strength between a spark plug gap to arc over to the other side. cars used to be about 80,000 volts. I am not sure what a weed wacker coil puts out.
my question is--doesnt the selenoid have to hold the backpressure of the stroke until its exhausted?..steammight use 150 psi- thats a hell of a lot of pressure...
nice!- btw what about a two stroke diesel on 6 cyls?..then you have continuous cycles which eliminates the backpressure?..also an eccentric with a d slide would be easier??
Hi Dan. I just got a two stroke edgemower and I have been tring to start it at 40 PSI with the sparkplug removed. However, i am loosing presure where the valves are( the outside caps are removed)? How should I fix that? Is this what causes my engine not to start? I would really apprecite your response. You are doing a great job.
now why not just leave an alternator on the engine then you wont need the battery and you can just use the magneto as the switch like it is used on the gas engine? and if your magnetto is rubbing then your distance between the wheel and magnet needs to be adjusted it should not touch. just wondering. or just put a little more weight on the fly wheel and not use the valve once it gets going it should just power itself right? just pickin your brain for knowledge.
hi i know this is a old video and you might know this .. but what i was thinking is .. is it possible to use the power that you are generating to run the steam/air release valve? i dont know if i'm saying this right . but i hope you understand what i meen to use the power its making to trigger the motor .. is that possible.? also i am going to send you a pm i hope you can let me know a little bit more info...
This is a clever example of a uniflow steam engine where steam is introduced into the top of the cylinder by means of a one way valve and leaves the cylinder by way of vent holes at the bottom of the pistons stroke. Uniflow engines are very efficient because the intake valve remains at a more constant temperature than if it is being used for both intake and exhaust. Valving is simpler because only one valve is used. Usually the valve is mechanically connected to the crank shaft.
Buddy. Good work but this is not a steam engine. You keep harping on about the magneto this, the solenoid that. Try making a boiler and providing a heating source for use in a vehicle.
I am doubtful about your claims of efficiency vs a more conventional steam engine though. Steam behaves quite a lot differently than air once it starts to expand. Considering the very short 'power stroke', my guess is that you're likely capturing just a little bit of the energy you're putting in there. It would be fun to test though - you should be able to get a small boiler and do some fairly good testing with an alternator and get a good estimate of efficiency.
I would like to see this motor driving a generator with current and voltage readings to compare output power with the power used to create the compressed air.
It may be interesting to make the compressed air with a Stirling engine. Keep up the good work.
Have you got a loss of power during the upper stroke (compression stroke) just because an exhaust valve miss, so after the piston close the exhaust port,it must fight against the resistance of compression ????
Now you attach an air or steam supply to the head of your cylinder. Engine valves now work like this-first stroke=steamopen /exhaust closed, second stroke=steam closed/exhaust open, third stroke same as first, fourth stroke same as second. With two power strokes you get twice as much power per rated pressure at temperature of engine. I built two of these initially as a means to make and test an internal combustion engine twice as efficient. It worked, dont have funding:)
Ok, yes, Im always bragging about better designs. Here is a little proof in the pudding. My design involves a 4 cylinder. You take out the cams and weld apposing nodes onto your cams. You overweld because you want to grind down everything to be smooth and identical to the apposing node on the cam. So basicly instead of a single node on a cam, now you have two nodes symmetrical to eachother. This times your valves, see next post
You also lose efficiency because your running it like an air dynamic break. With the valves closed or that static pressure creates resistance on your motor. You also have an issue with heat loss between strokes. The longer your piston is without steam the more it cools. The more it cools the more it cools steam coming inside. Anyways, I could go on forever on thermal dynamic losses. In my next post I will explain my much more efficient 4-stroke design
I like this design. I wasnt sure if you could get away with it on a 2-stroke. I disagree with you on the shorter timing stroke. Its more steam in the cylinder, but it doesnt matter because the travel is the same. Its actually more efficient to have a full stroke because you have a small loss of steam to fill in the gaps at the start of the stroke. Ugg, never enough characters to fully explain myself, see next post
Why not have a valve at the top of the engine's intake that is pushed open by the piston itself? I had a toy car powered by compressed air that that works like that.
@thumpjumper I haven't, but I work with cars and have a bike where space and weigh are issues, with a stationary steam plants that's much less of an issue, but you won't get much work out of 10-15psi unless you have a very large, very heavy engine with a large bore and stroke aka not a lawnmower engine, but actual engines designed specifical for that gas engines don't have a good bore to stroke ratio, running at low rpms, condensation really becomes an issue at such low pressures as well
@thumpjumper I have a small stationary engine which runs between 20-60 psi but at 20 it barely turns over and is not capable of running at high enough rpms to spin the generator fast enough to make the light light up. Besides just making a boiler to feed such an engine would be quite the task. Fire tubes for how simple they look are much to difficult to build on your own build a flash type plant if you were considering that option.
Actually I have worked with a steam popcorn machine though
@thumpjumper Too be honest it won't do much work and you won't get you money's worth. A couple months ago I saw this and think it's a great idea, but just look up the cost of a solenoid which can take steam and your looking at $200 per solenoid. Plus for smaller applications you need superheated steam 600-700F and high pressures above 200psi. Most solenoids can't work above 200 degrees so you can't use it for anything more than an air powered version.
@thumpjumper True it is much cheaper than building an engine that could cost 1000 dollars or more to build and easier. It doesn't mean there is no promise of converting gas engines, but for steam applications a bash valve is a better way to go. A bash valve is a shaft mounted in the piston head that rises up and hits a ball in a check valve and lets steam in while the shaft holds the check up, but once the piston begins to fall again the check closes sealing the cylinder allowing expansion
I appreciate your videos and the time you spend making them, and i'm sure you appreciate the ad revenue.
BUT. I haven't seen one of your devices put to a practical use. I guess that's left for your viewers? Is there always time to create a new project, but never enough time to see one to the finish?
The solenoid valve, will it last lots of cycling? What about cylinder scarring due to lack of oil?
"Old time" steam engines were actually far more efficient than what you have made here. Your comment about the volume of a steam engine cylinder requiring large volumes of steam does not take into account that steam expands (condenses) as it cools. Therefore it is more efficient & much more powerful taking advantage of the thermal properties of steam. Marine Steam engines were available in double & even tripple expansion. Research will show you the reality. Fun little engine though......
it take time to create pressure in the tank, whether steam or air.
Why not inject fuel into the boiler tank, then spark it to explode that fuel to create instant pressure stored in the tank. By injecting/sparking fuel into the boiler tank,it would not take that time to build up pressure. I would think this is far more efficient use of fuel too, since a limiter would inject fuel on demand. I would think a steam boiler would be easy to convert. Will it work?
for it to work, I think it would need two tanks, a smaller combustion chamber to inject air and fuel into, then a larger tank to store that pressure created from the explosion. It may need a blower to fill the chamber with air, perhaps something like a small vacuum cleaner with exhaust hose.This may sound weird, but I think it can work, the idea is to get around the time it takes to create the pressure. Explosion is much faster than heating water, or pumping air into a tank. Time is the problem.
Why is the neodymium, the one on the wheel, triggering the solenoid at BDC? If the triggering point IS at the top, next to the solenoid, it looks like the piston is BDC. So the air is pushing the piston up? Sorry, this is confusing as hell.
could you make an efficient enough compressed air, engine. with a generator attached that powers the air compressor so it continuously keeps the engine going? and possible power something else? that would be cool
you could have the engine power an air compressor to keep it running, and if the motor was efficient enough you could put it on a light home made cart and use it as fun transportation. just an idea that i want to turn into a project.
Really nice. But, notice how fast it decelerates when you remove the reed switch? There's still a compression stroke and that detracts from efficiency. Keep an eye on my 4-stroke to 2-stroke conversion project. It will have virtually no intake stroke, a power stroke and an exhaust stroke that's pretty much free wheeling, powered by hydrogen injected under mild pressure during the 15* or so that the intake valve opens.
The difference between two and four stroke engines is not whether they run on mixed or un-mixed gas. The gas they run on is a direct result of the mechanical differences between them. Check out some videos of two and four stroke engine operation, and you'll see WHY they take mixed or regular gas.
at 40 hz or close to 2400 rpm that solenoid will saturate and stay on, making it unless for any faster speed. just a little limitation with what your doing here. You need a special solenoid to go any faster.
Great video! Dan you are a genius. Where can I get a small 2 engine without spending so much money? Is there any water condensation anywhere in the engine?
Where can i get the type of solenoid valve you have? the one i got is for a sprinkler system and its not nearly as good. it doesnt respond as quick,ly so i have to play around with the timing. I'm actually working on a type of "timing advance" because if you increase the psi going into it it runs rough unless you adjust the "timing".
At 4:47, you mentioned getting zapped; why not connect a diode across the coil to snub the back EMF? A 1N4001 (or similar power diode) should do the trick. (Remember to connect the arrow side of the diode to +) Nice pneumatic engine!
I've been inspired by this idea to use the heat from my 10' reflective parabola to make steam, and run that to a similar setup. I have a couple of concerns, first, a solenoid valve that can handle the temperatures of compressed steam... and I can also see that the lubrication on the rings of the piston will be quickly steam-cleaned out of the system. Maybe use teflon rings?
I've been looking to see if you have any new videos pursuing this idea!
I've been inspired by this idea to use the heat from my 10' reflective parabola to make steam, and run that to a similar setup. I have a couple of concerns, first, a solenoid valve that can handle the temperatures of compressed steam... and I can also see that the lubrication on the rings of the piston will be quickly steam-cleaned out of the system. Maybe use teflon rings?
I've been looking to see if you have any new videos pursuing this idea!
it would be even more efficient if you caught the exhaust air and returned it into a compressor inlet, you would do that by replacing the exhaust box and making it air tight. then run a return line into a small compressor and then set up the inlet like you have it set up now, then wallah you have a self sufficient engine.
It's not nearly an pointless exercise. If you were to hook up a steam line to a solar-fired boiler, it's not only recycling, it's also generating power without generating carbon. Thanks you guys, for adding another idea to my madness bank... =)
İs power enough for driving bicycle ?..if the power is sufficient, it's perfect !..we want see it soon !...
mecanomy 2 weeks ago
35 people put their finger in the flywheel.
fastdiesel2 3 weeks ago 2
In addition, your setup and so the one that I have...suffer from the same issue, when the piston is going up...the air trap after the exhaust port can not go anywhere...hence, it is a back pressure that the flywheel must compensate for (reduce efficiency) but for only $ 10.00 worth of parts (the swing check valve and some fittings for the air connection), I will keep it like this !!!
tonymac96 1 month ago
Dan, what is the weight of your flywheel...or the tire that you are using as a flywheel ? I'm curious, I have a similar setup but I'm using a 12 inches sewing wheel (from an old sewing machine) as my flywheel...I need to spin the flywheel hard ...so that it keeps going. In my setup; the air goes through a swing check valve and there is a small wood rod that pushes the valve open every time the piston goes TDC. I think I need a heavier fly wheel.
tonymac96 1 month ago
Why couldnt you use the magneto to run the solenoid with a reststor? Its a pre made timing system and you said that it would give it more power from the solenoid being open longer? Im only asking because I'm doing the same thing and before I buy all the stuff I want to know if its possible?
Lego5ful 1 month ago
And how will you run this engine for longer time on steam?
not just 1 minute
where is the oil for lubrication?
the engine will stuck
ejearpi 1 month ago
@ejearpi he uses compressed air which has oil droplets flowing within the air. With steam is a similar principle, steam air has steam oil mixed into steam droplets.
physicmad 1 month ago
how does it runf if you advance the timeing
mortamusprime 2 months ago
you could adjust your timing by adding longer magnets or more magnets
mortamusprime 2 months ago
I know how to make this work on a four stroke motor you might find more power from it using the same concept that way you use the air/steam for the full stroke I don;t have the equipment to test it with
mortamusprime 2 months ago
I know how to make this work on a four stroke motor you might find more power from it using the same concept
mortamusprime 2 months ago
Great job
Buddhanz1 2 months ago
Very cleaver
I was impressed.
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die2end 2 months ago
Where can i find one of these solenoid valves?
sLiChEs13 3 months ago
What size of solenoid valve do you need to screw directly into the spark plug hole?
sLiChEs13 3 months ago
Dan, do you have basic plans on this engine, so that someone could copy one at home, to make an electric generator, using steam as the power source? ty
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Grate way to make a single action uniflow steam engine!
I would block off the intake ports in the cylinder tho.
But how would you do it with the lubrication of the cylinder and crank/rod? And how about the possibility of rust in the cylinder?
88Nightrider 4 months ago
Grate way to make a single action uniflow steam engine!
I would block off the intake ports in the cylinder tho.
But how would you do it with the lubrication of the cylinder and crank/rod? And how about the possibility of rust in the cylinder?
88Nightrider 4 months ago
Grate way to make a single action uniflow steam engine!
I would block off the intake ports in the cylinder tho.
But how would you do it with the lubrication of the cylinder and crank/rod? And how about the possibility of rust in the cylinder?
88Nightrider 4 months ago
Grate way to make a single action uniflow steam engine!
I would block off the intake ports in the cylinder tho.
But how would you do it with the lubrication of the cylinder and crank/rod? And how about the possibility of rust in the cylinder?
88Nightrider 4 months ago
Grate way to make a single action uniflow steam engine!
I would block off the intake ports in the cylinder tho.
But how would you do it with the lubrication of the cylinder and crank/rod? And how about the possibility of rust in the cylinder?
88Nightrider 4 months ago
super
karol13go 4 months ago
you can see it arking in the reed switch & it will burn out . i recommend using a relay but ..... the timing will need to be changed. anybody think different ? you should make it into a small generator
ravingking 4 months ago
you can see it arking in the reed switch & it will burn out . i recommend using a relay but ..... the timing will need to be changed. anybody think different ?
ravingking 4 months ago
This doesn't work for a steam engine because of the temperatures involved. Even if you keep it low pressure and minimal temperature its then not as efficient and the solenoid you would need costs around $300.
It seems like a great idea, but when you do the research its not all its cracked up to be
With compressed air it would work, but it stores less energy then steam
Stanleyguy101 4 months ago
Now the question is, was it the magneto that was causing so much drag or, the compression of the engine at the top of the stroke? When you have the selinoid at the top of the stroke without it open your creating compressed air. The only way to test it is to either open the selinoid without compressed air, or take the magneto off.
I'm using his design to make a compressed air mini bike. Now, what about lubrication? Or throttle control? Could you use the voltage from the magneto to open and clo
brownbrve 4 months ago
Real flywheels aren't that difficult to come by.
KenMacMillan 4 months ago
put the cap back on and give it a little oil bath. on the output put a T, one end point up and and other end pointing down to drain back into the pool.. and there's your lubrication.
kakureru 4 months ago
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onefivefour 4 months ago
can you hepl me witha parts list?
P.S LOVE all your vids doc_comet@yahoo.com
TheDotcomet 5 months ago
It actually produces several thousand volts. and the resistance you're getting isn't from the magento, it's from compression.
Steam/air engines don't need a lot of lubrication. a few drops of oil every now and then is plenty, they don't get hot like gasoline engines, they actually get colder as they run.
JakeyCak3z 5 months ago
@JakeyCak3z It depends Friction heats up an air engine not as hot as a gasoline engine, if your running something like the weed eater engine for a short time you may not notice because there's a lot more mass to heat up ,have you ever touched a tire hand pump after you've pumped up your bicycle tire, and steam engines definitely get hotter especially when you get above saturated steam. I have a steam bicycle that operates at 750 F
Steam in general is a whole different game
lol just so you know
Stanleyguy101 4 months ago
@JakeyCak3z It depends Friction heats up an air engine not as hot as a gasoline engine, if your running something like the weed eater engine for a short time you may not notice because there's a lot more mass to heat up ,have you ever touched a tire hand pump after you've pumped up your bicycle tire, and steam engines definitely get hotter especially when you get above saturated steam. I have a steam bicycle that operates at 750 F
Steam in general is a whole different game
lol just so you know
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@JakeyCak3z It depends Friction heats up an air engine not as hot as a gasoline engine, if your running something like the weed eater engine for a short time you may not notice because there's a lot more mass to heat up ,have you ever touched a tire hand pump after you've pumped up your bicycle tire, and steam engines definitely get hotter especially when you get above saturated steam. I have a steam bicycle that operates at 750 F
Steam in general is a whole different game
lol just so you know
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@JakeyCak3z It depends Friction heats up an air engine not as hot as a gasoline engine, if your running something like the weed eater engine for a short time you may not notice because there's a lot more mass to heat up ,have you ever touched a tire hand pump after you've pumped up your bicycle tire, and steam engines definitely get hotter especially when you get above saturated steam. I have a steam bicycle that operates at 750 F
Steam in general is a whole different game
lol just so you know
Stanleyguy101 4 months ago
Dan, have you thought of using a hot water tank heated via fresnel? Looking at YouTube I think there are a lot of compressed air units - we need some ideas on steam generation - would love to see what you might come up with...
samdekok72 5 months ago
What about lubrication?.
Cytacon 5 months ago
@Cytacon dump oil into once every now and then
fairyheli2 5 months ago
air powered bike??
kinesisfilms 5 months ago
Found only one problem dude. Its not getting lubricated.
aussiemate95 5 months ago
this shit!!!
83chuy 5 months ago
what about oil for the bottom end of the motor ?
JamieMcClanahan 5 months ago
you've inspired me to create something like this myself, my idea is to get something similar to a bead seater or a cheap air compressor, then instead of using the reed switch, is there anything stopping me simply wiring the spark-plug wire onto the valve? then move the coil around until it's at it's sweet spot, leaving the "accellerator" to the main valve on the air compressor/bead seater?
bugz000 5 months ago
Wonder where is intake port what what you've done to that port?
You close it or you just leave it?
herbid68 6 months ago
Awesome job. Just have one question. I noticed that it produces 40 volts. Would it be possible to use that energy to power a compressor? That way the circuit would be self powered....Engine would produce power, that can power the compressor, that can produce pressure, and power the engine. (Just wondering if it would be possible)
Hidframe 6 months ago
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dexxy45 6 months ago
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@Hidframe im afraid not, pure physics mean that the energy cycle cannot be self sustaining
dexxy45 6 months ago
@Hidframe If you set the electrical supply up (40 volts from 2-cycle engine + whatever else is needed from another source) properly it would be possible to "help" supply the compressor. However the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics supports me when I say that you cannot make an engine 100% efficient.
waynerd23 6 months ago
@waynerd23 I see...Well thanks for the reply.
Hidframe 6 months ago
@Hidframe I know a system has never been proven to be more than 100% efficient but I actually believe it is possible. Just search "magnetic motor" for perpetual motion... it works by using the repelling action of magnets but it defies the basic laws of physics and has caused a lot of debate.
waynerd23 6 months ago
@waynerd23 Well if you look back in history, event the idea that the sound barrier can be broken, was hugely debated. However that didn't stop people from trying to break it, and eventually succeeding. That's why i believe that people shouldn't give up just because of a textbook law that says its impossible.
And thank you for the tip about the magnetic motor...i seen some fascinating projects done by people on Youtube.
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fizzguts 6 months ago
What Brand is that solenoid valve... and what kind?
28kingIV 6 months ago
glad I found this, this is what I am trying to build, except mine will be using a ball valve.
pumpkinhead4449 6 months ago
Great video... How will it hold up under steam power? Needs an oiling mechanism. right?
DDeanHall 7 months ago
A good teaching tool for students, but it doesn't have any practical use.
abergethirty 7 months ago
what about oiling the bore and piston as it will wear
JOCKATEO 7 months ago
Could you jest attach the switch to the magneto and use that for electricity andtake the wheel of it messing up the rotation but that would be fun to put on a bike oh do you even need a valve
1950dodgefan 7 months ago
Green = NWO.. suppression... its not free energy
we who are involved in free energy and open source natural power... DO not advocate the GREEN movement.. which was created by big oil and friends!
frank0067 7 months ago
take the weel off
FrosenIce 7 months ago
Im all for green power GREEN ALIANCE NGF
donreifdk 7 months ago
make some prototype vehicle with this........
iamvishnuremesh 7 months ago
you could eliminate the electronics by using a "bash valve" setup
bilgerat671 7 months ago
ni ce videos .
SINCLAIRRESEARCH 7 months ago
I'm curious on why you didn't use the intake as the intake for the steam...
garand 8 months ago
@garand because that would work to perfectly..
shadooky 7 months ago
This is really really cool, thax Dan, Now because of you, I now have a better understanding on how a motor works, you've broken it down so that it's very simple, thank you Dan.
UserIsAnFBIAgent 8 months ago in playlist GreenPowerScience
Dan you're an inspiration, this is amazing, thank you
funkee77 8 months ago
so to apply this to a four stroke you would need two solenoids
angrygunsmith 8 months ago
My question is a 2 stroke is lubricated through the mixture of oil in the gas , now you don`t have that on this engine ? So in my beliefs the piston , cylinder and piston rings are not lubricated >> is not going to have much of a lifespan and reliability ..
Secondly why can`t you use the exhausted air presure and send or plumb it back into the air holding tank ??
rvbilly 8 months ago
@rvbilly Because having the exhaust go back into the (pressurized) input tank would require the exhaust to be pressurized by the engine. So all the engine's work would be wasted in putting the gas back into the intake tank, and you'd not get anything back out. In reality it wouldn't be quite that simple, but it wouldn't be a viable thing to try and do.
For this to work there needs to be a difference in pressure between the input at the exhaust. If they're both the same pressure it won't.
ShokaLion 7 months ago
where did you get your solenoid valve?
omegasignas 8 months ago
When I first watched this video I didn't really grasp the concept of the magnets. After watching a few more steam engine vids, I came back and looked at this one again and thought "Hey... this guy is really crafty!"
HuskyMaster9000 9 months ago
This isn't an efficient engine at all and certainly not as efficient as a regular steam engine because you're not using all the energy, there's still a lot of pressure left that could be used to do work.
jrkepler 9 months ago
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jrkepler 9 months ago
Would a Pneumatic drill work like an engine too?
Vajrasiddha 9 months ago
I think you should be measuring DC not AC off a magneto.... You should move the coils and use that to power your valve. It's also not supposed to scrape the flywheel.... out of adjustment. You might also think about mounting a counterweight to the magnet you have on the wheel.... which makes your contraption bounce all over kingdom come. Interesting project.
StarbucksChunks 9 months ago
yup... i remember my first beer
pmcmanus15 10 months ago
You sound a bit like Scott Bakula :D
That's a high praise in my book :D
Angelus12308 10 months ago
I like the idea of a 2 stroke used as a air or steam engine! How many 2 stroke engines have I thrown away? Now I have something to work with! Now the trick will be to produce steam or pressurized air with solar energy! Doable...
jriemen1 10 months ago
thanks for this video
PikPobedy 10 months ago
do you realy need a reed switch? and, is it possible to do it on a 2 stroke 50cc moped engine?
94Eriksson 10 months ago
how can u justify this engine in terms of power,Torque & rpm.......????
bunty1129 10 months ago
take it apart look in the cylinder there is a transfer port plug this up this will get you a longer power stroke
autohead441 10 months ago
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MrKanki77 11 months ago
Hi Dan. Did you find an off the shelf way to fit a slide valve or check valve to a weedeater? I am wanting to make a steam powered weed eater engine to do work around my permaculture property but I am not sure what sort of long life valve to use. I assume using a slide valve or check valve will mean not needing to use a battery and reid switch?
Hamish121212 11 months ago
Hi Dan,
I am working on a 2 cilinder air engine made from two 2 stroke engines.
But i cant find a solenoid, what is the type used here becouse the only ones i found were fine tuned expensive metal pneumatic things.
Ty
scuffieduffie 11 months ago
Compressed Air Engine animation. Take a look at this video of the Valve I am talking about.
Very simple, used for years to power free flight model airplane engines.
gwheyduke 11 months ago
Have you considered or tried using a piston activated valve in the spark plug hole? It would be opened by the piston at Top Dead Center, then closed by a spring pressure as the piston decends. That way you eliminate the battery . The Air Hog airplane toy uses a compressed air engine to power the propeller. It flies pretty good !
the engines have been broken out to use in other airplanes. Good video I have several old weed eater engines taken apart. Was thinking of something similar.
gwheyduke 11 months ago
make this motor do something
gaspowerrules 11 months ago
HOW is this modification anything but using airpressure to make an improvised flywheel spin? You're not converting fuel to useful work. This is little more than demonstrating the inverse of an air-compressor system. The whole premise of what an engine is, the relative efficiency of energy conversion and what purpose the 'engine' is used for -- your references to these concepts are all quite muddled and basically incorrect.
starmanskye 11 months ago
Dan, cool idea, but are you sure that coil isn't in reality putting out anywhere from 25,000 to 80,000 volts? The voltage waveform looks like a fast transient. It is very sharp. Also, are you sure your little dvm isn't set up for to measure 60hz AC only. It takes a lot of energy to break the dielectric strength between a spark plug gap to arc over to the other side. cars used to be about 80,000 volts. I am not sure what a weed wacker coil puts out.
themarkfellows2 11 months ago
1) Mount engine properly. 2) Remove magneto. 3) Re-make video. Thank you! :)
goney3 11 months ago
Would it really kill you to mount it properly and ballance the fly wheel?
minga86 1 year ago
my question is--doesnt the selenoid have to hold the backpressure of the stroke until its exhausted?..steammight use 150 psi- thats a hell of a lot of pressure...
nice!- btw what about a two stroke diesel on 6 cyls?..then you have continuous cycles which eliminates the backpressure?..also an eccentric with a d slide would be easier??
porpoisefathom 1 year ago
question 1. what do you use for low end lube. 2. what about the rust from the steam and lack of upper lube?
Motocycleman56 1 year ago
Hi Dan. I just got a two stroke edgemower and I have been tring to start it at 40 PSI with the sparkplug removed. However, i am loosing presure where the valves are( the outside caps are removed)? How should I fix that? Is this what causes my engine not to start? I would really apprecite your response. You are doing a great job.
SelfReliance4ALL 1 year ago
now why not just leave an alternator on the engine then you wont need the battery and you can just use the magneto as the switch like it is used on the gas engine? and if your magnetto is rubbing then your distance between the wheel and magnet needs to be adjusted it should not touch. just wondering. or just put a little more weight on the fly wheel and not use the valve once it gets going it should just power itself right? just pickin your brain for knowledge.
Prepared2Survive 1 year ago
You couldn't come up with a balanced flywheel?
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
how does it get lubricated/
mci0007 1 year ago
Could I convert my two stroke bicycle motor to steam?
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goldiecassie72 1 year ago
hi i know this is a old video and you might know this .. but what i was thinking is .. is it possible to use the power that you are generating to run the steam/air release valve? i dont know if i'm saying this right . but i hope you understand what i meen to use the power its making to trigger the motor .. is that possible.? also i am going to send you a pm i hope you can let me know a little bit more info...
fabzcardon 1 year ago
Hook it up to your solar trough! Or youR fresnel boiler!
dadigitechman 1 year ago
truth be known you dont really need a solenoid valve to make it run. but it will be really un efficient
mountain177 1 year ago
lubrication of this as a steam engine would be the same as any other steam engine, a small amount of oil would be mixed with the steam.
The change in behavior of this engine as the timing was changed is exactly what any one who is familiar with steam engines would expect.
I love this engine.
hickorycourt 1 year ago
This is a clever example of a uniflow steam engine where steam is introduced into the top of the cylinder by means of a one way valve and leaves the cylinder by way of vent holes at the bottom of the pistons stroke. Uniflow engines are very efficient because the intake valve remains at a more constant temperature than if it is being used for both intake and exhaust. Valving is simpler because only one valve is used. Usually the valve is mechanically connected to the crank shaft.
hickorycourt 1 year ago
Buddy. Good work but this is not a steam engine. You keep harping on about the magneto this, the solenoid that. Try making a boiler and providing a heating source for use in a vehicle.
diegeeleel 1 year ago
Hi, how lubrication of two stroke engine is solved?
denpobedi 1 year ago
So, basicly your saying i could have a air/steam powered chainsaw. very interesting
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ChickenHater550 1 year ago
Neat video....
I am doubtful about your claims of efficiency vs a more conventional steam engine though. Steam behaves quite a lot differently than air once it starts to expand. Considering the very short 'power stroke', my guess is that you're likely capturing just a little bit of the energy you're putting in there. It would be fun to test though - you should be able to get a small boiler and do some fairly good testing with an alternator and get a good estimate of efficiency.
otherpower 1 year ago
What's the point?
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
Great job. Any suggestions on how to add oil to the engine for long term operation?
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MoniRokse 1 year ago
can you please do some numbers on how much power this will produce on steam? good proof of concept though. You should sell conversion kits.
YoLninYo 1 year ago
I would like to see this motor driving a generator with current and voltage readings to compare output power with the power used to create the compressed air.
It may be interesting to make the compressed air with a Stirling engine. Keep up the good work.
james110100 1 year ago
Have you got a loss of power during the upper stroke (compression stroke) just because an exhaust valve miss, so after the piston close the exhaust port,it must fight against the resistance of compression ????
steam1981 1 year ago
turns at half-crankshaft speed inside the pipe you've screwed into the
spark plug hole. An old horizontal 4 stroke mower engine is perfect- it
doesn't even have to run because you remove everything but the piston
and valves.
I built one of those like 40 years ago and it worked great. SIMPLE. No
electrical crap and you keep oil in the crankcase to lube it as usual.
The engine revved up high on just 20-30# of air. Hard to tell how
many horses it would produce on 100# of steam.
4freespeech 1 year ago
You can make a steam engine out of an old lawnmower engine and make
it with every stroke being a power stroke IF you put air/steam into both the
intake and exhaust valves, while using the spark plug hole for your
exhaust port. The engine will time itself and go VERY fast without any
electrical solenoid. All you do is pipe air/steam to flanges where the intake
manifold and muffler used to be, then time the valves to open on each stroke,
one after the other. You make a rotary exhaust that
4freespeech 1 year ago
Ha!! You electrocuted yourself! I've been there.
hibraisil 1 year ago
But how does the celinder oil it self if there's not gas?
AnoseFull 1 year ago
Now you attach an air or steam supply to the head of your cylinder. Engine valves now work like this-first stroke=steamopen /exhaust closed, second stroke=steam closed/exhaust open, third stroke same as first, fourth stroke same as second. With two power strokes you get twice as much power per rated pressure at temperature of engine. I built two of these initially as a means to make and test an internal combustion engine twice as efficient. It worked, dont have funding:)
2RobertGoddard 1 year ago
Ok, yes, Im always bragging about better designs. Here is a little proof in the pudding. My design involves a 4 cylinder. You take out the cams and weld apposing nodes onto your cams. You overweld because you want to grind down everything to be smooth and identical to the apposing node on the cam. So basicly instead of a single node on a cam, now you have two nodes symmetrical to eachother. This times your valves, see next post
2RobertGoddard 1 year ago
You also lose efficiency because your running it like an air dynamic break. With the valves closed or that static pressure creates resistance on your motor. You also have an issue with heat loss between strokes. The longer your piston is without steam the more it cools. The more it cools the more it cools steam coming inside. Anyways, I could go on forever on thermal dynamic losses. In my next post I will explain my much more efficient 4-stroke design
2RobertGoddard 1 year ago
I like this design. I wasnt sure if you could get away with it on a 2-stroke. I disagree with you on the shorter timing stroke. Its more steam in the cylinder, but it doesnt matter because the travel is the same. Its actually more efficient to have a full stroke because you have a small loss of steam to fill in the gaps at the start of the stroke. Ugg, never enough characters to fully explain myself, see next post
2RobertGoddard 1 year ago
Why not have a valve at the top of the engine's intake that is pushed open by the piston itself? I had a toy car powered by compressed air that that works like that.
legox50 1 year ago
Have fun with that engine once it seizes up!!! no fuel = no lubrication. no lubrication = SEIZE
balls2yourface 1 year ago
@thumpjumper I haven't, but I work with cars and have a bike where space and weigh are issues, with a stationary steam plants that's much less of an issue, but you won't get much work out of 10-15psi unless you have a very large, very heavy engine with a large bore and stroke aka not a lawnmower engine, but actual engines designed specifical for that gas engines don't have a good bore to stroke ratio, running at low rpms, condensation really becomes an issue at such low pressures as well
Stanleyguy101 1 year ago
@thumpjumper I have a small stationary engine which runs between 20-60 psi but at 20 it barely turns over and is not capable of running at high enough rpms to spin the generator fast enough to make the light light up. Besides just making a boiler to feed such an engine would be quite the task. Fire tubes for how simple they look are much to difficult to build on your own build a flash type plant if you were considering that option.
Actually I have worked with a steam popcorn machine though
Stanleyguy101 1 year ago
@thumpjumper Too be honest it won't do much work and you won't get you money's worth. A couple months ago I saw this and think it's a great idea, but just look up the cost of a solenoid which can take steam and your looking at $200 per solenoid. Plus for smaller applications you need superheated steam 600-700F and high pressures above 200psi. Most solenoids can't work above 200 degrees so you can't use it for anything more than an air powered version.
Stanleyguy101 1 year ago
@thumpjumper True it is much cheaper than building an engine that could cost 1000 dollars or more to build and easier. It doesn't mean there is no promise of converting gas engines, but for steam applications a bash valve is a better way to go. A bash valve is a shaft mounted in the piston head that rises up and hits a ball in a check valve and lets steam in while the shaft holds the check up, but once the piston begins to fall again the check closes sealing the cylinder allowing expansion
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baccaratbargaineq 1 year ago
I think I would mount the read switch to a stick and keep my fingers out the way!
keettaylor 1 year ago
How to you build the valve? I am interested to build the solenoid valve.
zoror 1 year ago
Since you do not have a gasoline/oil mix how does the engine get lubricated?
bgbyer 1 year ago
where can i get that reed switch? and what load is it rated at? THANKS! good vid!
rroberts383 1 year ago
Sad that this wouldn't work commercially because of lack of lubrication. Actually it could be modified.
future2501 1 year ago
I appreciate your videos and the time you spend making them, and i'm sure you appreciate the ad revenue.
BUT. I haven't seen one of your devices put to a practical use. I guess that's left for your viewers? Is there always time to create a new project, but never enough time to see one to the finish?
The solenoid valve, will it last lots of cycling? What about cylinder scarring due to lack of oil?
gumpdy 1 year ago
what was the total cost of this project?
wesley5159214 1 year ago
AWESOME video man!
SmallEngineRepairGuy 1 year ago
alternatively couldn't you use the voltage created from the magneto to manually start your reed switch?
or better yet to open your solenoid using the power generated to run the magneto so you wouldnt need an outside power source?
MisterInnovation 1 year ago
where can I get the solenoid and reed switch?
theycallmetrigger 1 year ago
"Old time" steam engines were actually far more efficient than what you have made here. Your comment about the volume of a steam engine cylinder requiring large volumes of steam does not take into account that steam expands (condenses) as it cools. Therefore it is more efficient & much more powerful taking advantage of the thermal properties of steam. Marine Steam engines were available in double & even tripple expansion. Research will show you the reality. Fun little engine though......
oldboatclub 1 year ago
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oldboatclub 1 year ago
man those weed eater engine bearings are dying beacause of the wheel
viirus35 1 year ago
a billion dollar idea:
it take time to create pressure in the tank, whether steam or air.
Why not inject fuel into the boiler tank, then spark it to explode that fuel to create instant pressure stored in the tank. By injecting/sparking fuel into the boiler tank,it would not take that time to build up pressure. I would think this is far more efficient use of fuel too, since a limiter would inject fuel on demand. I would think a steam boiler would be easy to convert. Will it work?
Twonky411 1 year ago
for it to work, I think it would need two tanks, a smaller combustion chamber to inject air and fuel into, then a larger tank to store that pressure created from the explosion. It may need a blower to fill the chamber with air, perhaps something like a small vacuum cleaner with exhaust hose.This may sound weird, but I think it can work, the idea is to get around the time it takes to create the pressure. Explosion is much faster than heating water, or pumping air into a tank. Time is the problem.
Twonky411 1 year ago
Fantastic!
Any ideas on how to lubricate the rotating assembly for longevity?
KiteTuber 1 year ago
I never thought about converting a petrol engine to run on steam, Excellent idea
julian0757 1 year ago
Why is the neodymium, the one on the wheel, triggering the solenoid at BDC? If the triggering point IS at the top, next to the solenoid, it looks like the piston is BDC. So the air is pushing the piston up? Sorry, this is confusing as hell.
prettywomang 1 year ago
@prettywomang It is not, it triggers the solenoid Just past Top Dead Center.
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enigmavoice4u 1 year ago
Good experiment
enigmavoice4u 1 year ago
could you make an efficient enough compressed air, engine. with a generator attached that powers the air compressor so it continuously keeps the engine going? and possible power something else? that would be cool
forresthop 1 year ago
you could have the engine power an air compressor to keep it running, and if the motor was efficient enough you could put it on a light home made cart and use it as fun transportation. just an idea that i want to turn into a project.
kylef4225 1 year ago
Really nice. But, notice how fast it decelerates when you remove the reed switch? There's still a compression stroke and that detracts from efficiency. Keep an eye on my 4-stroke to 2-stroke conversion project. It will have virtually no intake stroke, a power stroke and an exhaust stroke that's pretty much free wheeling, powered by hydrogen injected under mild pressure during the 15* or so that the intake valve opens.
I fried a DMM from HV like that once. Take care.
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ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
What size solenoid did you use 3/8"?
kwk86mcss 1 year ago
2 stroke means it takes mixed gas. four stroke takes regular gas. trust me GREENPOWERSCIENCE. i am an expert
spongbob202 1 year ago
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The difference between two and four stroke engines is not whether they run on mixed or un-mixed gas. The gas they run on is a direct result of the mechanical differences between them. Check out some videos of two and four stroke engine operation, and you'll see WHY they take mixed or regular gas.
professormaxhunter 1 year ago
at 40 hz or close to 2400 rpm that solenoid will saturate and stay on, making it unless for any faster speed. just a little limitation with what your doing here. You need a special solenoid to go any faster.
1madcap 1 year ago
Great video! Dan you are a genius. Where can I get a small 2 engine without spending so much money? Is there any water condensation anywhere in the engine?
investo100 1 year ago
Where can i get the type of solenoid valve you have? the one i got is for a sprinkler system and its not nearly as good. it doesnt respond as quick,ly so i have to play around with the timing. I'm actually working on a type of "timing advance" because if you increase the psi going into it it runs rough unless you adjust the "timing".
bubbaandy89 1 year ago
@bubbaandy89 Hi, I added some links to the video more info. I would like to see a video of your project once completed do a video response.
GREENPOWERSCIENCE 1 year ago
At 4:47, you mentioned getting zapped; why not connect a diode across the coil to snub the back EMF? A 1N4001 (or similar power diode) should do the trick. (Remember to connect the arrow side of the diode to +) Nice pneumatic engine!
bob4analog 1 year ago
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I've been inspired by this idea to use the heat from my 10' reflective parabola to make steam, and run that to a similar setup. I have a couple of concerns, first, a solenoid valve that can handle the temperatures of compressed steam... and I can also see that the lubrication on the rings of the piston will be quickly steam-cleaned out of the system. Maybe use teflon rings?
I've been looking to see if you have any new videos pursuing this idea!
Xonk61 1 year ago
I've been inspired by this idea to use the heat from my 10' reflective parabola to make steam, and run that to a similar setup. I have a couple of concerns, first, a solenoid valve that can handle the temperatures of compressed steam... and I can also see that the lubrication on the rings of the piston will be quickly steam-cleaned out of the system. Maybe use teflon rings?
I've been looking to see if you have any new videos pursuing this idea!
Xonk61 1 year ago
@Xonk61 ---- you would use a lubricator on the steam input port. It's called a displacement lubricator.
Dutchly 1 year ago
it would be even more efficient if you caught the exhaust air and returned it into a compressor inlet, you would do that by replacing the exhaust box and making it air tight. then run a return line into a small compressor and then set up the inlet like you have it set up now, then wallah you have a self sufficient engine.
Reece0629 1 year ago
yes it is arounf 65 volts but it have amprage witch is what makes it jump
mrmatt2525able 1 year ago
It's not nearly an pointless exercise. If you were to hook up a steam line to a solar-fired boiler, it's not only recycling, it's also generating power without generating carbon. Thanks you guys, for adding another idea to my madness bank... =)
DmitriKoslov 1 year ago
I have been meaning to thank you and your family for wonderful presentations that i personally found very helpful. Thank you- 19 asress
19asres 1 year ago
very intresting video, cool.
thom in scotland.
fuelban 1 year ago