I think Best looks good every time he wins because he has good but specific timing plans. His wins depend on the opponent playing into his plans (like Flash taking the third without scans in this game).
Nowadays we know Flash as the best player of all time, and Best the guy who catches Flash off-guard with a smart timing once a year.
come on.... boxer, nada, bisu those guys were good... stork, Fantasy, and jaedong these guys ARE good. BUT FLASH is a phenomenon... michael jordan of the game
Pretty terrible by Flash to get so stormed so freaking hard... without those storms he would've been able to get back in the game and still be in a decent position. Still his scouting kind of sucked, so overall thats what lost him the game imo.
great commentary, and a great match. i am suprised ghosts with lockdown didn't come in to take out the carrirers, but since he didn't have an academy I guess its his loss.
Don't see why ppl always go in with just two carriers, wait for 4 or 6 and it gets so much harder to recover. Can build a proxy fleet beacon if they're worried about scouting.
Hmmm...the problem with Flash is that he is too confident in his build. Not scouting, not getting scans... that's why players like Best and Hero_V take advantage of Flash's turtle strategy: they go for tech, and without scouting and scans, Flash often gets caught off guard. Like this game for example, he was carrier rushed, and against Hero_V he was defeated because of early arbiters..
The fact that this video was so long made me constantly think that Flash was going to make some ungodly comeback. Nice to see that he's not completely invincible. >_>
damn u guys were great ... diggity was particularly insightful...i agree ... if he built a damn academy or at least scouted with a barrack early on before that 3rd cc went up, flash wouldve had the game with his better micro/macro skills ... but u have to give it to best ... u was the aggressor and it payed off
Even having caused his own doom, it took him like 10 minutes to die to overwhelming odds, and superior tactics. I still admire Flash :'D
But I also gotta give it to Best. He punked out what might be the best Terran playing SC in the world, and like Diggity said, did it with the thing that was supposed to never work. gg.
Flash didnt scout early because he was greedy. He wanted the SCV count to still mine resources and deal with probe harrassment on his buildings. He figured if he was able to get his 14 CC build down that he would have the macro to deal with whatever BeSt threw at him, and he was wrong :/
wow. after listening to all that aftermatch discussion. not beeing impressed?`that best did not really impress you with a comeback like flash has done?
Didnt you get really excited when flash came back/ got a free roll vs free?
lack of scouting has been a huge flaw in flash's play for some time, finally he got punished for it. But flash knows what he did wrong, and he will beat this next time. GG
i believe that flash still had a chance before he pushed out and lost his main army to the templars, he should have waited a little longer and macro up a bit more
Amazing job by Best denying Flash the scout... it was nervewracking watching Flash bulding up for an attack that just wasn't coming. Those carriers came out of nowhere.
i still think Flash played overall better than Best, but he didnt scout and was in a poor position as a result. i think a bit more scouting and the result would have been alltogether different.
I think that Best figured that Flash would build against arbiters because Flash "Broke Carriers and scared all the toss players" to quote Moletrap. Best went carriers and crushed Flash. /irony victory
and up until the point where the carriers got there flash had just build a starport and a science facility ... so he was headed in that direction, but when he saw the carriers there was no need for science vessels anymore. Arbiter play has been way more popular than carrier play for the last few months, and flash's build reflected that.
Good game and good commentary. Best dual commentary combination if you ask me. I like the contrasting styles between Moletrap and Diggity, makes for a nice compliment. Moletrap can be peanut butter and Diggity can be chocolate...and then Klaz can be pizza because I feel that he's good by himself but I prefer eating pizza by itself...
for some reason, i think people are fast expanding against flash because they want to play a "real game" against flash and have something to brag about if they win
Instead of saying this was Best's brilliance I would argue that its Flash's folly. No scout? Are you kidding Flash, thats the fuckin basics man, someones a little too comfortable with their no rax CC build.
Best was slop IMO, losing carriers left and right, flash still almost came out with that I wish he didnt push out when he did. Hopefully if anything this will give a little confidence to other players..
You're wrong, Flash went for a very strong economy. That's why he went cc before rax and sent a marine to scout rather than an scv.
BeSt anticipated this and sent his dragoons out at the perfect timing to intercept them in the top right, making Flash think he was in the top right. (watch his first scan)
BeSt used his carriers to expand and get his macro going. That one push was the only thing Flash could've done to have a chance.
eh wow, very nice observations about flash, i hadnt really noticed that but you're right, best looped his first goons around the north east base perfectly to confuse flash. however i still think that if flash would have actually made an effort to scout out the bases he could have done way better. heck he even had three marines, he could have sent 2 to the north east and one to the north west just to be sure and he would have gotten in a decent scout (although it would have still been late).
i'm kinda disappointed by flash, i his major downfall was just his general arrogance, he just thought he didnt need to scout, that he knew best would go dt/reaver or arbiter, and that he could handle whatever came his way. he didnt scout and played way too generic and got bulldozed over by sloppy carrier play. i just hope this wakes flash up and he starts taking his games more seriously than that.
you gotta admit, Flash's defence was perfect against either dark templar or reavers, which is the standard for protoss harrass... he didnt wanna sacrifice minerals to make a comsat earlier because he thought it would be safe to assume either of the above two
the fact that best went carriers was surprising,
Best either knew Flash well enough that he would not make an earlier comsat, or he got lucky in a creative build
How come they dont mention lucifer, not to be a front runner but watching some of his games (like vs light)i really think hes #1 toss since stork and bisu dropped off
The difference between a bonjwa like flash (almost there) and a champ like Jaedong (I say this as a JD fan and as a zerg) is that flash seems to have figured out Murphy's law and created every contingency plan he can think of to counter everything that does eventually go wrong. Less bases than the opponent? Check. Cheese defense? Check. Defense against agressive harass? Check. Map unfavorable to terran? Check. A ZvT/ZvP specialist? Check. Lost command centers? Check. Eco/army disadvantage?Check
even tho best cheeses sometimes, i just love to see carriers unleashing swarms on hapless enemies. if flash maybe had a few more factories and alot less turrets, flash woulda had this game.
I think Best looks good every time he wins because he has good but specific timing plans. His wins depend on the opponent playing into his plans (like Flash taking the third without scans in this game).
Nowadays we know Flash as the best player of all time, and Best the guy who catches Flash off-guard with a smart timing once a year.
merdufer 1 year ago
flash=best SC PLAYER EVER to play the game...
come on.... boxer, nada, bisu those guys were good... stork, Fantasy, and jaedong these guys ARE good. BUT FLASH is a phenomenon... michael jordan of the game
elsenorify 1 year ago
flash=best SC PLAYER EVER to play the game...
come on.... boxer, nada, bisu those guys were good... stork, Fantasy, and jaedong these guys ARE good. BUT FLASH is a phenomenon...
elsenorify 1 year ago
gg
ps: Scouting is crucial
galilyou498 1 year ago
Flash you sux
bsb42 1 year ago
Pretty terrible by Flash to get so stormed so freaking hard... without those storms he would've been able to get back in the game and still be in a decent position. Still his scouting kind of sucked, so overall thats what lost him the game imo.
iWearCapeIRL 1 year ago
i love it how i heard the korean commentators go AAAAAAHHHHH when best killed flash's scv building the factory haha
Demolasha 1 year ago
@Demolasha You dont watch Korean games much huh, because Korean commentators goes AAAAAHHHHH for every built scv.
MartyNaklo 1 year ago
@MartyNaklo lol true hahah xD
Demolasha 1 year ago
great commentary, and a great match. i am suprised ghosts with lockdown didn't come in to take out the carrirers, but since he didn't have an academy I guess its his loss.
endplanets 2 years ago
if flash had come back then the game would have almost been a second "never surrender" (boxer vs choja)
frydooo 3 years ago
I lol'd at 1:07.
Oh, Diggity.
lolimontheinternet 3 years ago
This game is what made me start watching Starcraft. Great commentary, great game. Thanks!
IllustriousHypocrisy 3 years ago
Those Templar Storms were beautiful.
PieCook 3 years ago 3
Don't see why ppl always go in with just two carriers, wait for 4 or 6 and it gets so much harder to recover. Can build a proxy fleet beacon if they're worried about scouting.
Stormwern 3 years ago
Hmmm...the problem with Flash is that he is too confident in his build. Not scouting, not getting scans... that's why players like Best and Hero_V take advantage of Flash's turtle strategy: they go for tech, and without scouting and scans, Flash often gets caught off guard. Like this game for example, he was carrier rushed, and against Hero_V he was defeated because of early arbiters..
itachiLLL 3 years ago 6
lol 15:40 "thats a good way to be born into the world"
jamaylott 3 years ago 4
at 11:00 moletrap says gunna keep it under 11 peace, but its longer than 11 minutes
hsktoadftw 3 years ago
oops... a glitch from a previous commentary that didn't get deleted
VioleTAK 3 years ago
-Moletrap
VioleTAK 3 years ago
The fact that this video was so long made me constantly think that Flash was going to make some ungodly comeback. Nice to see that he's not completely invincible. >_>
Rimmer7 3 years ago 9
ya i was thinking.. no fuckin way the whole time through
lLastGamel 3 years ago
poor flash, caught with his pants down
Neo0mega 3 years ago 2
hahaha moletrap cracked me up at the end there "you can build nexuses in his base but dont be bad mannered"
great game thanks for the commentary fellas!
thundasc 3 years ago
damn u guys were great ... diggity was particularly insightful...i agree ... if he built a damn academy or at least scouted with a barrack early on before that 3rd cc went up, flash wouldve had the game with his better micro/macro skills ... but u have to give it to best ... u was the aggressor and it payed off
austinsaiiz 3 years ago
Flash trying to make a statement by the "I don't care what you're doing, I'm still going to win" attitude. Didn't this time.
leftstanding 3 years ago 2
Rock tried to go carriers vs Flash and blew the game.
This was last week.
GGLordWeird 3 years ago
Even having caused his own doom, it took him like 10 minutes to die to overwhelming odds, and superior tactics. I still admire Flash :'D
But I also gotta give it to Best. He punked out what might be the best Terran playing SC in the world, and like Diggity said, did it with the thing that was supposed to never work. gg.
AnimeAndHaloDOMix 3 years ago
seemed a bit cocky w/ the no scout... :/
dlax1 3 years ago
Sweet storms! He didn't expect that. ^^
TigerYoshiki 3 years ago
you guys are my fav commentators. thanks for the additional help.
4hodipt 3 years ago
Flash didnt scout early because he was greedy. He wanted the SCV count to still mine resources and deal with probe harrassment on his buildings. He figured if he was able to get his 14 CC build down that he would have the macro to deal with whatever BeSt threw at him, and he was wrong :/
MKChosen13 3 years ago 2
wow the commentary of the week has been the 4 amazing!!!!!!!!!!
sigan asi!
beredu666 3 years ago
you guys are amazing
eloleelole 3 years ago
wow. after listening to all that aftermatch discussion. not beeing impressed?`that best did not really impress you with a comeback like flash has done?
Didnt you get really excited when flash came back/ got a free roll vs free?
seriously, give best some cred for the win :P
torg2k 3 years ago 5
commentary of the week is the greatest time of the week
nathones 3 years ago 2
Flash played terrible he didn't even try and scout with an SCV, except for the push. Best didn't win except for bringing in the templar.
wswordsmen 3 years ago
you're hard with best, going templare was really a good idea to destroy all tanks.
vinsang1000 3 years ago
poop!
bullbunnies 3 years ago
Don't hate on 815... I kill you!
knightswhosayniuc 3 years ago
hey, you forgott lucifer diggity
joakimeen 3 years ago
wow, flash looks so sad!
shaynehunter 3 years ago
lack of scouting has been a huge flaw in flash's play for some time, finally he got punished for it. But flash knows what he did wrong, and he will beat this next time. GG
SnigernDK 3 years ago 2
Great match. Ballsy choice of play, and a fierce -though desperate- stand on the other side. gg, gc.
T538 3 years ago
Nice match, although I'm disappointed at the loser. Thanks for commentary.
Chrijz 3 years ago
i believe that flash still had a chance before he pushed out and lost his main army to the templars, he should have waited a little longer and macro up a bit more
onlyinjuly 3 years ago
o.O
Amazing job by Best denying Flash the scout... it was nervewracking watching Flash bulding up for an attack that just wasn't coming. Those carriers came out of nowhere.
tejntanga 3 years ago
i still think Flash played overall better than Best, but he didnt scout and was in a poor position as a result. i think a bit more scouting and the result would have been alltogether different.
nailtothex 3 years ago
(Spoiler)
I think that Best figured that Flash would build against arbiters because Flash "Broke Carriers and scared all the toss players" to quote Moletrap. Best went carriers and crushed Flash. /irony victory
P00nJuice 3 years ago
OMG! The impossible has happend! (spoilers)
The Flash got owned by Carriers. T_T
RaiKageRyu 3 years ago
How was the first line not a spoiler? :O My fault for checking comments first though, but don't act like you warned
Ougagagoubou 3 years ago 3
if he was expecting arbiters he would've made vessels, don't you think?
he was just playing standard
86kerry 3 years ago
and up until the point where the carriers got there flash had just build a starport and a science facility ... so he was headed in that direction, but when he saw the carriers there was no need for science vessels anymore. Arbiter play has been way more popular than carrier play for the last few months, and flash's build reflected that.
pandemik1755 3 years ago
Good game and good commentary. Best dual commentary combination if you ask me. I like the contrasting styles between Moletrap and Diggity, makes for a nice compliment. Moletrap can be peanut butter and Diggity can be chocolate...and then Klaz can be pizza because I feel that he's good by himself but I prefer eating pizza by itself...
P00P00Head 3 years ago 3
for some reason, i think people are fast expanding against flash because they want to play a "real game" against flash and have something to brag about if they win
q335r49 3 years ago
Instead of saying this was Best's brilliance I would argue that its Flash's folly. No scout? Are you kidding Flash, thats the fuckin basics man, someones a little too comfortable with their no rax CC build.
Best was slop IMO, losing carriers left and right, flash still almost came out with that I wish he didnt push out when he did. Hopefully if anything this will give a little confidence to other players..
GG nice job you two^^
JeremyJT 3 years ago
You're wrong, Flash went for a very strong economy. That's why he went cc before rax and sent a marine to scout rather than an scv.
BeSt anticipated this and sent his dragoons out at the perfect timing to intercept them in the top right, making Flash think he was in the top right. (watch his first scan)
BeSt used his carriers to expand and get his macro going. That one push was the only thing Flash could've done to have a chance.
ulig0r 3 years ago 6
eh wow, very nice observations about flash, i hadnt really noticed that but you're right, best looped his first goons around the north east base perfectly to confuse flash. however i still think that if flash would have actually made an effort to scout out the bases he could have done way better. heck he even had three marines, he could have sent 2 to the north east and one to the north west just to be sure and he would have gotten in a decent scout (although it would have still been late).
uzernam302 3 years ago 3
SPOLERS
i'm kinda disappointed by flash, i his major downfall was just his general arrogance, he just thought he didnt need to scout, that he knew best would go dt/reaver or arbiter, and that he could handle whatever came his way. he didnt scout and played way too generic and got bulldozed over by sloppy carrier play. i just hope this wakes flash up and he starts taking his games more seriously than that.
(PS my other post is a reply to ulig0r's post)
uzernam302 3 years ago 4
oh lol, and i meant "very nice observations about Best****" not about flash =p
uzernam302 3 years ago
WHOA WHOA WHOA. I never thought Flash would be beaten by Best.Truly amazing play.
MCprodigy07 3 years ago
HAHA! The guy in the suit from SKT wiped the sweat off his hands that he got from giving BeSt a high five. 27:41 (SC is truly a sport...Best sweats!)
Basicpiviot 3 years ago 6
ohh my god, this game was intense.
i havent seen best play so well in such a game vs someone as good as flash
going carriers was an insane move. and im soo glad it worked.
take that flash, you can still get punished when you have your head up your ass
JamieGajer 3 years ago 2
very nice match & commentary
caelumarisen 3 years ago
Hum.. I am glad that Flash has finally lost a game
RealmEternal 3 years ago 3
Flash was way too arrogant.
PuckyTucky 3 years ago 3
yeah but so would you if you won like 90% of your games
shaynehunter 3 years ago
you gotta admit, Flash's defence was perfect against either dark templar or reavers, which is the standard for protoss harrass... he didnt wanna sacrifice minerals to make a comsat earlier because he thought it would be safe to assume either of the above two
the fact that best went carriers was surprising,
Best either knew Flash well enough that he would not make an earlier comsat, or he got lucky in a creative build
Lawrence1315 3 years ago 4
Flash I've never seen applying so little pressure in a game with Vultures or pushing... Well, he does weather the storm of muta harass in TvZ.
paladinzdude 3 years ago
Boo hopefully Flash will learn to scout from now on.
NaturalTvventy 3 years ago
@9:06 Flash scans the top right position. By that point in the game he still didn't know where Best's base was.
sturmo42 3 years ago 8
Amen moletrap: Best is good but he doesn't pull of amazing stuff like Jangbi or Flash.
RainmanMP 3 years ago
as a terran player flash's loss is just painful to watch
scouting is essential for terran
wtf flash
MapleMeadows 3 years ago
OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BeSt ftw
Kakashinoor 3 years ago
FUCK. I JUST LOST THE GAME.
Rulerfenrir 3 years ago
Really nice game xD
TerranStacraft 3 years ago
How come they dont mention lucifer, not to be a front runner but watching some of his games (like vs light)i really think hes #1 toss since stork and bisu dropped off
needsmorsleep 3 years ago
cuz he's evil?
BrimmyTime 3 years ago 2
Darn, i really wanted Flash to win D:
urnana 3 years ago
where does flash get all the gas to do this stuff
needsmorsleep 3 years ago
rock went carriers vs flash not too long ago
TacoMaster07 3 years ago
Yeah but Rock ALWAYS goes carriers. -M
VioleTAK 3 years ago
OMFG!!!! I can't believe it!!!!!
mrpacco 3 years ago
The difference between a bonjwa like flash (almost there) and a champ like Jaedong (I say this as a JD fan and as a zerg) is that flash seems to have figured out Murphy's law and created every contingency plan he can think of to counter everything that does eventually go wrong. Less bases than the opponent? Check. Cheese defense? Check. Defense against agressive harass? Check. Map unfavorable to terran? Check. A ZvT/ZvP specialist? Check. Lost command centers? Check. Eco/army disadvantage?Check
Alexsteen 3 years ago 4
A really good point. I agree... -Moletrap
VioleTAK 3 years ago
Two of my favorite players :D.
Eirith 3 years ago 2
this is just 1 loss, flash is captain comeback.
thundersmoke88 3 years ago
Wow, seriously though awesome game. Flash is mortal after all.
delirium1326 3 years ago 3
even tho best cheeses sometimes, i just love to see carriers unleashing swarms on hapless enemies. if flash maybe had a few more factories and alot less turrets, flash woulda had this game.
carriers rule. period.
thundersmoke88 3 years ago
oohhh yeah :D awesome game.
infectioushobo 3 years ago
Best top 5? I going to have to say no Scott :p
akyo777 3 years ago