@sc0pl355 You are referring to the maximum RAM the OS could theoretically handle but those numbers are outdated. Windows 7 supports 192GB, Windows Vista supported up to 128GB RAM and OSX. supports up to 96GB theoretically. I just read another articel. So even if the MAC Pro does support 128 GB of RAM under WINDOWS not MAC OSX. It still supports less than the HP z800, which supports 192GB of RAM.
@sc0pl355 I CORRECTED THAT TWICE NOW!!! " It still supports far less than the HP z800. And I am talking about the quadro 6000 because the Quadro 5000 is far inferior and isnt supported natively by MacOSX which leads to alot of problems. The CUDA drivers for macs are always released later and there are tons of issues with CUDA on MAC OSX. F.e CUDA CORES are not recognized etc. you can even google search that for proof. It works perfectly on Windows without any flaws.
You came in and said: No you cant get a Quadro 6000 for mac
Show me where I fucking said a single thing about the Quadro 6000?
You came in to MY channel and attacked me over shit that I NEVER fucking claimed. Your next response had better fucking be you quoting me making the claims that you attacked me over or you can enjoy a B&aid for your butthurt.
@DerSchachspieler Also, if you want to spend $22k for 'max ram' then that shit is totally your choice. For that price, I'd buy several Mac Pro's with Max Ram and cluster the fuckers.
@DerSchachspieler Also, if you want to spend $22k for 'max ram' then that shit is totally your choice. For that price, I'd buy several Mac Pro's with Max Ram and cluster the fuckers.
@DerSchachspieler Also, if you want to spend $22k for 'max ram' then that shit is totally your choice. For that price, I'd buy several Mac Pro's with Max Ram and cluster the fuckers.
@DerSchachspieler "It still supports less than the HP z800, which supports 192GB of RAM."
Yeah, and look up how much it costs for max ram on a HP z800. The upgrade costs over $22,000. You could try buying from someplace else, but 12 gig sticks are pretty hard to come by, it seems.
@sc0pl355 I never talked about the Quadro 5000 which is worse than the Quadro 6000. The MacPro has 8 RAM slots the z800 has 12 RAM slots. Please go to the mac pros ordering page and you will read this: "The single-processor Mac Pro supports up to 32GB of DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory in four slots while the dual-processor Mac Pro supports up to 64GB of DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory in eight slots."
@DerSchachspieler "Please go to the mac pros ordering page and you will read this:"
The Mac Pro actually supports more than that. Tested and Proven. Apple always plays the cautious cat in what they say their compters are capable of. Don't believe me? Ask someone at Apple as to whether or not Photoshop will run on a Mac Mini. It would definitely run, but they will tell you no.
@sc0pl355 I said: "So even if the MAC Pro does support (it does as I read in the articel you were referring to) 128 GB of RAM under WINDOWS not MAC OSX. It still supports less than the HP z800, which supports 192GB of RAM," Probably even more but Windows doesnt support more than 192GB of RAM.
@DerSchachspieler The point of THIS video is a hardware comparison, that's fucking it!
The question is which one costs more at the lowest matching spec. In this case, the Mac Pro costs less, that is all. If you want, I can make the same comparison between the HP Z600 and the Mac Pro with the same fucking results.
@sc0pl355 No you actually forgot to include that the HP got the better motherboard and higher quality hardware. You also compared the wrong workstations. The 400z is more expensive to upgrade. And no please dont do another comparison full of false facts. And why comparing the z600 to the macpro??? The z800 is far better than the z600.
Because right now, the z600 is comparable to the Mac Pro, at the time I fucking made this video, the z800 was comparable to the Mac Pro.
Seeing as you did not comply with my repeated requests for you justify your vicious slander against me by quoting me making the claims that you attacked me over...
HP Z800 Rocks! Way more powerful than any stupid Mac. Mine is a 12 core (24 with Hyper-threading). It has two "6 Core" Xeon X5690 3.46GHz with HT. 48GB ram. Two Nvidia Quadro 5000 with 2.5GB Memory each. One QB033AV NVIDIA Tesla C2075 Compute Processor. Two 300GB SSDs in raid. 15 Terabytes storage. Four 27 Inch monitors. This BEAST Is insanely fast and reliable!!!! Running 3ds Max 2009, Adobe CS5 Master Collection. No Mac is as good as that! I Paid $25K and I can upgrade as much as $100K
@bpncali2005 Um, you can outfit a Mac Pro with all of those components, bro. In fact, the Mac Pro can take up to 96GB of ram, supports multiple monitors, supports the SAME fucking processors that you have, Quadro 500's can be flashed to work on a Mac and so on.
Check this out, a guy put the same fucking processors you have in a Mac Pro.
forums. macrumors. c o m/ showthread. p h p ?t=1231582
@sc0pl355 No you cant get a Quadro 6000 for mac and the maximum unregistred RAM you can put into the macpro is 64GB.(The max unreg.RAM you can put in the z800 is 192GB and reg.96GB.Also the macs mainboard is inferior to the HP 800z´a.Macs dont support CUDA as good.The HP 800z has many useful featuresand can be upgraded more easily.All the Adobe and Autodesk software is optimized for HP workstations. And a lot of the 3D visualization software doesnt even run on mac. So please stop talking smack.
Mac is better for 2D, but mac don't have a lot of 3D program. We always use windows for 3D, and you can't use all the Nvidia quadro and tesla series on mac too. I use mac for photo and 2D works but windows for my 3D works. but for prices, the best is when you do yourself your workstation. ;-) after if you don't like windows use linux or by apple (but it's expensive) :-)
@Insomniagraphic Yep. OS-X has support for raw Nikon files and Pro Res within the file manager. They make 2d work easy, but I I built a PC workstation recently for Cuda acceleration in Adobe and to run Maya. Maybe Skyrim and iRacing as well. (I can't work 24/7, right?) I've complained a lot about Windows over the years but 7 is a big improvement. I truly love my new PC. It's a TON of fun. I still love my Mac too but realizing they're both great tools to work with.
@megamindstorm101 Comparing the price of homebrew to OEM is just stupid. What you gain in saving money, you lose in support and time. Also, the comparison is to see if the computer is overpriced or not. the only way to determine that is to compare it to a similar machine that has similar factors affecting its price.
@sc0pl355 well i suppose for work it would be easier to have 1 company to worry about fixing all the rigs and getting them all. so yeah your right in that area. however if it is just for 1 person once you can build your own rig you dont really need support. as for time i can get the parts list in about 10 minutes, and build the rig in 2 hours...not terrible if you ask me and not worth 800$ to get someone to do it for me. what does support do "your hardrives dead" i already know that.
@sc0pl355 obviously not just the hardrive im jsut getting an example. but if you can build it and you know a bit about computers generally you know whats wrong.
sure its faster but you arent getting quality parts (ie. generally generic ram and power supply ect.) and you are paying hundreds of dollars more, the average consumer is not made of money.
@megamindstorm101 Dude, now you're arguing that the custom power supplies used in these machines are generic? Dude, neither the Mac Pro or HP Zseries workstation uses a generic power supply.
"the average consumer is not made of money."
These computers are not for the average consumer. If you think a professional workstation is for the average consumer, then I have little faith in your knowledge of computers.
Look, I compared a workstation OEM to another workstation OEM. Live with it.
@sc0pl355 when i say they generally have generic ram and psu's i am saying it in the sense of all computers not specifically these. In which case yes i have seen a lot of OEMs and 80% of them are generic ram and generic psu's (usually the minimum wattage to get the comptuer running as well).
I can build this exact rig right here and it will be a "workstation" you dont need to buy it from a company for it to be called a workstation...oh and no matter what apple says the macpro is *not* a workst
@megamindstorm101 ""oh and no matter what apple says the macpro is *not* a workst"
Ananand tech, PC world, PC mag, Consumer Reports, just about anyone that knows about computers and so on, disagree with you.
It is a workstation and it isn't only Apple saying so
"you dont need to buy it from a company for it to be called a workstation..."
I never said that you did. but you need to buy it from an OEM in order for it to be an OEM workstation and thus a fair comparison to other OEM workstations.
@sc0pl355 well my defenition of a workstation requires workstation graphics and a 5770 and 5870 is not a workstation graphics card its a gaming graphics card....just saying.
where did you say in the video "comparing OEM workstations" maybe i missed it but i didnt see it.
all i said was "lets include homebuilt" for companies OEMs are better if i owned a company i would go oem but for personal use i say building is better.
@megamindstorm101 "well my defenition of a workstation requires workstation graphics and a 5770 and 5870 is not a workstation graphics card its a gaming graphics card.."
Apple sells a quadro 4000 and 4800. Jesus.
"where did you say in the video "comparing OEM workstations" maybe i missed it but i didnt see it."
I shouldn't have to say it, both computers in this video are OEM's and this video is a response to a video that someone else made. This video isn't about what you would buy, dude.
The Z800 is a better, newer machine. Unlike the Mac Pro, it has been completely redesigned from the ground up by BMWdesignWorks and HP. It supports 192GB of RAM, and 2 Hex-Core processors with water cooling. 15 SATA slots. Completely cableless, and tool-less modular design. It's also smaller and lighter than a Mac Pro. Also while the Mac Pro may cost less, it's upgrades (such as the SAS card) cost a lot more. I would pay list price for either, I would buy a chassis or base model Z800 and build.
@SkylineToTheSeaAndMe Tell you what. Go look at the DATE of when I originally posted this video. This is a repost. I actually made this video in 2008, bro. these days, I compare the Mac Pro to the HP z600.
@SkylineToTheSeaAndMe I really need your opinion. I was going to buy a base model hp z400 because I can only afford one xeon cpu. My old system uses two opteron cpus. I use my system for 3d animation and digital compositing. Is it wise to still purchase a HP z800 with one cpu for now and then get the other cpu and second graphics card later. I notice that this case supports 8 sas ports and additional sata ports. That is good for a long use system isn't it,'
well tho the mac is a great work station for the price comparatively mac has a os that is completely useless in many cases I have been an engineer for 17 years never seen anyone running a mac.
@mrfingers69 Hrmph, I have seen macs is heavy use in the creative sector. Also, I recall a time when Virginia tech made a supercomputer cluster using Powermac G5's. I also recall that 'Elephant's Dream' was rendered on a Xserve renderfarm.
I strongly disagree with your assertion that OSX is worthless. A poor crafstman blames the tools.
can anyone please guide me right price for this machine, i really appreciate experts advice. HP Z800 Workstation Intel Xeon Processor W5580 3.20GHZ 8MB Quad Core CPU - 1 Intel Xeon Processor W5580 3.20GHZ 8MB Quad Core CPU - 2 nVidia Quadro FX4800 1.5GB Graphics HP 12GB (6x2GB) DDR3-1333 ECC Reg RAM - Full Mem HP 146GB SAS 15K 1st HDD HP 146GB SAS 15K 2nd HDD HP 16X DVD+-RW SuperMulti SATA 1st Drive Broadcom 5761 Gigabit PCIe NIC HP USB Standard Keyboard HP USB Optical 3-Button Mouse
They do not have the processors that you ask for anymore, so I reconfigured it with two 5670's that have a clock of 2.93, are six cores and have a 12 mb cache and are 1333 mhz. These are the top processors available for the mac pro btw. There also wasn't a fx4800 option, so I left it with the firepro 3800...
They did have everything else. At the spec with these processors, it comes to $8,023.00
@sc0pl355 Thank you so much for your efforts i get an option to buy this workstation in $4084 so i think its a good deal, what do you say? HP Z800 Workstation Intel Xeon Processor W5580 3.20GHZ 8MB Quad Core CPU - 1 Intel Xeon Processor W5580 3.20GHZ 8MB Quad Core CPU - 2 nVidia Quadro FX4800 1.5GB Graphics HP 12GB (6x2GB) DDR3-1333 ECC Reg RAM - Full Mem HP 146GB SAS 15K 1st HDD HP 146GB SAS 15K 2nd HDD HP 16X DVD+-RW SuperMulti SATA 1st Drive Broadcom 5761 Gigabit PCIe NIC HP Keyboard Mouse
@JeremiahCardin First off, I made this video over a year ago. Secondly, look at how much 200gb of ram costs. I can buy multiple Mac pros for that and max their ram.
If you compare the price of an HP Z600 to a Mac Pro TODAY, the Mac Pro will cost significantly less. Should I make a vid of that?
I have a Z800 and I think having everything packed in my workstation is better, than buying 6 macpros and clustering them into one server... how much would that cost???
@RenderManStudio If you cluster 6 mac pros you would have far more processing power than your single Z800 has. Clustering does not make the Mac Pro's a server, dingus. Supercomputer, have you heard of it?
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Also, Mac Pro's cost less than HP Z600's and Z800's.
Z800 2x X5680 3.33ghz, MAX RAM, 1tb hd, firepro v3800 $68,343.00 Mac Pro 1x 3.33GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere”, 16GB (4x4GB) 1333MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM, 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive, ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB $5,474.00 + Mellanox MHGH29B-XTR Fiber Optic Card $767.99 from buy. c o m (not including the cords) 6,241.99 x 10 = 62,419.9 62,419.9 < $68,343.00 SO there you go, the price of 10 Mac Pro's vs 1 HP z800 with max processor and ram.
You showuld compare the Mac Pro vs HP Z600. That would be accurate because Z800 is much more expandable than Z600 and the Mac... so what you are paying its not the chips only... its the posibiity to have 128 GIGAS of RAM, a lots of TERABYTES of hardspace and a lot of Quadro cards.
It was thinked for Oil people that must run heavy data, and they have a lot of money to expend ;)
thanks for the vid, but obviously you are a Mac user/lover so your point of view isnt that valid ;)
First off, don't fucking tell me what to compare on my channel.
Secondly, The z600 DOES NOT have dual Xeons. I was comparing octo-core machines. If you bothered watching my video, you'd know this.
Also, look at how much 128 gigs of ram costs. I can buy multiple Mac Pros and cluster them for that price. Z800 only has 2 expansion slots that can handle a high-end videocard, just like the Mac Pro.
You're obviously butthurt that the Mac Pro costs significantly less than the HP.
I considered going over to Mac for the latest purchase of Workstation. It ended up a lot priceier and old crappy GFX and HDD options. I got it custom built as usual. It does not suprise me that a branded PC is as pricey as Mac. Dell is a tad cheaper still, but I'd go for Custom built with Asus components any day. Just waiting for the nVidia CUDA GFX now.
even if you did a custom build your not going to get much cheaper. and ASUS does not make a mobo that can bulid a system similar, you need a Xeon Server mobo (Dual Socket) which is going to cost you around $500
then you need two Xeon cpus and the ones in the mac pro cost about $1,500.
but professionally speak (graphic designer) the IMAC gives me all I need, the PRO would be overkill unless I were to dual major and go for some video production then I would go MAC PRO all day.
MACs are for serious people who want to be taken seriously, everything else is a settle.
little heads up buddy...dont compare an HP to a MAC, thats like comparing a pea wee leage to the majors...even the playing field, compare a MAC Pro to a DELL im an avid PC user and i found in personal research that the best comp to compare to a MAC is a DELL...try a Dell Presicion T1500 which has a bout 2.93 ghz and 4gb ddr3 ram two 1tb hd's, and it comes in at about 3,000...PC wins on that one forsure
first off, the T1500 is NOT comparable. That's the most bottom-of-the-barrel workstation that Dell has. Seriously, core i5 vs nehalem Xeon? Get out of my face.
Secondly, the t7500 would normally be a good match, but I see that it just had a revision, while the Mac Pro hasn't yet. I'll compare those two when they are both up-to-date.
@sc0pl355 Why does everyone fell it necessary to call it a Nehalem Xeon. The i5 is also a member of the Nehalem family. Its the lynnfield or whatever. Why not just call the chips by their model numbers, its less confusing and complicated.
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'mac's cant do games like PC's especialy dell' If you say so... watch?v=m9PIR6VGIYo&feature=related watch?v=VfJ-vQtbetQ&feature=related watch?v=2rfHSDgibgo watch?v=GRqaAd0-lDI&feature=related watch?v=wOH__KqCiA4&feature=related watch?v=Mid_pAnuHoM watch?v=C6mpu1n_iE8&feature=related watch?v=anbFqjuwGXs&feature=related Stop acting butthurt just because a iMac costs less than a comparable Dell Precision. The only thing that makes that precision a workstation, is the fucking case.
BOXX doesn't really aim for cheap - they're a small company and they don't have the luxury of buying by the pallet like large OEMs like Apple and HP. A similar configuration to these two would cost $3,600 if you remove unnecessary extras (keyboard, mouse, MS Office) and maybe a little less if you haggle with their sales people.
Notice that the BOXX has faster memory, workstation graphics, and it only costs _all of $300 more_ than the 8-core MP's base configuration. The configuration you showed me must include some extra bullshit because I'm only seeing $3,474.
Notice that I gave the Boxx the lowest rated card. I wouldn't use either card for actual work.
the FX 950 isn't that much better than a gt 120. even if I added ANOTHER gt120, the Mac Pro would still cost a bit less.
HEY! I got $3,474. don't call my numbers bullshit. I configured it and cut out ANYTHING that the Mac Pro didn't have! I even removed the stupid external floppy drive.
You forgot to add the RAID card to the MP, since you always seem to think that basic integrated SAS = add a fucking RAID card that costs more than the motherboard
The BOXX doesn't have SAS capability built-in. it is only SATA. Look at its specs.
I add the RAID card ONLY when the PC in the comparison has SAS capability. AFAIK, the HP used in this vid has SAS capability. If you know of another card, in Mac Pro's configuraor, that I can get, that gives SAS capability and doesn't cost as much. let me know.
As it stands now, the Mac Pro RAID card is the way to add SAS capability.
the crazy thing is you can softmod gaming cards and turn them into open gl workstation beasts. you could easily get an 8800 and transform it into an awesome card instead of settle for that crappy nvs 295.
@sc0pl355 You are referring to the maximum RAM the OS could theoretically handle but those numbers are outdated. Windows 7 supports 192GB, Windows Vista supported up to 128GB RAM and OSX. supports up to 96GB theoretically. I just read another articel. So even if the MAC Pro does support 128 GB of RAM under WINDOWS not MAC OSX. It still supports less than the HP z800, which supports 192GB of RAM.
DerSchachspieler 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler "You are referring to the maximum RAM the OS could theoretically handle but those numbers are outdated."
NO! I'm talking about the maximum amount of ram that the MAC PRO can handle! Fucking read the link I posted before responding.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@sc0pl355 I CORRECTED THAT TWICE NOW!!! " It still supports far less than the HP z800. And I am talking about the quadro 6000 because the Quadro 5000 is far inferior and isnt supported natively by MacOSX which leads to alot of problems. The CUDA drivers for macs are always released later and there are tons of issues with CUDA on MAC OSX. F.e CUDA CORES are not recognized etc. you can even google search that for proof. It works perfectly on Windows without any flaws.
DerSchachspieler 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler " I am talking about the quadro 6000 "
You came in and said: No you cant get a Quadro 6000 for mac
Show me where I fucking said a single thing about the Quadro 6000?
You came in to MY channel and attacked me over shit that I NEVER fucking claimed. Your next response had better fucking be you quoting me making the claims that you attacked me over or you can enjoy a B&aid for your butthurt.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler Also, if you want to spend $22k for 'max ram' then that shit is totally your choice. For that price, I'd buy several Mac Pro's with Max Ram and cluster the fuckers.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler Also, if you want to spend $22k for 'max ram' then that shit is totally your choice. For that price, I'd buy several Mac Pro's with Max Ram and cluster the fuckers.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler Also, if you want to spend $22k for 'max ram' then that shit is totally your choice. For that price, I'd buy several Mac Pro's with Max Ram and cluster the fuckers.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler Also, if you want to spend $22k for 'max ram' then that shit is totally your choice.
For that price, I'd buy several Mac Pro's with Max Ram and cluster the fuckers.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler "It still supports less than the HP z800, which supports 192GB of RAM."
Yeah, and look up how much it costs for max ram on a HP z800. The upgrade costs over $22,000. You could try buying from someplace else, but 12 gig sticks are pretty hard to come by, it seems.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@sc0pl355 I never talked about the Quadro 5000 which is worse than the Quadro 6000. The MacPro has 8 RAM slots the z800 has 12 RAM slots. Please go to the mac pros ordering page and you will read this: "The single-processor Mac Pro supports up to 32GB of DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory in four slots while the dual-processor Mac Pro supports up to 64GB of DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory in eight slots."
DerSchachspieler 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler "I never talked about the Quadro 5000 which is worse than the Quadro 6000."
I never fucking talked about the Quadro 6000! You came in here attacking me for saying something that I never said, jackass.
"The MacPro has 8 RAM slots the z800 has 12 RAM slots. "
At the time that I made this video, that was not the case. If you bothered watching the vid, you'd know that.
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sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler "Please go to the mac pros ordering page and you will read this:"
The Mac Pro actually supports more than that. Tested and Proven. Apple always plays the cautious cat in what they say their compters are capable of. Don't believe me? Ask someone at Apple as to whether or not Photoshop will run on a Mac Mini. It would definitely run, but they will tell you no.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
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@sc0pl355 I said: "So even if the MAC Pro does support (it does as I read in the articel you were referring to) 128 GB of RAM under WINDOWS not MAC OSX. It still supports less than the HP z800, which supports 192GB of RAM," Probably even more but Windows doesnt support more than 192GB of RAM.
DerSchachspieler 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler The point of THIS video is a hardware comparison, that's fucking it!
The question is which one costs more at the lowest matching spec. In this case, the Mac Pro costs less, that is all. If you want, I can make the same comparison between the HP Z600 and the Mac Pro with the same fucking results.
Now, go be butthurt someplace else.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@sc0pl355 No you actually forgot to include that the HP got the better motherboard and higher quality hardware. You also compared the wrong workstations. The 400z is more expensive to upgrade. And no please dont do another comparison full of false facts. And why comparing the z600 to the macpro??? The z800 is far better than the z600.
DerSchachspieler 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler "why comparing the z600 to the macpro???"
Because right now, the z600 is comparable to the Mac Pro, at the time I fucking made this video, the z800 was comparable to the Mac Pro.
Seeing as you did not comply with my repeated requests for you justify your vicious slander against me by quoting me making the claims that you attacked me over...
B&
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler "No you actually forgot to include that the HP got the better motherboard and higher quality hardware."
That is highly debatable.
"You also compared the wrong workstations."
No, I didn't, this was a RESPONSE to a video that someone else made and at the time a Z800 was comparable to a dual-processor Mac Pro.
Everything posted in this video came straight from Apple and HP's websites. Nothing false about that.
Cont...
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
HP Z800 Rocks! Way more powerful than any stupid Mac. Mine is a 12 core (24 with Hyper-threading). It has two "6 Core" Xeon X5690 3.46GHz with HT. 48GB ram. Two Nvidia Quadro 5000 with 2.5GB Memory each. One QB033AV NVIDIA Tesla C2075 Compute Processor. Two 300GB SSDs in raid. 15 Terabytes storage. Four 27 Inch monitors. This BEAST Is insanely fast and reliable!!!! Running 3ds Max 2009, Adobe CS5 Master Collection. No Mac is as good as that! I Paid $25K and I can upgrade as much as $100K
bpncali2005 2 months ago
@bpncali2005 Um, you can outfit a Mac Pro with all of those components, bro. In fact, the Mac Pro can take up to 96GB of ram, supports multiple monitors, supports the SAME fucking processors that you have, Quadro 500's can be flashed to work on a Mac and so on.
Check this out, a guy put the same fucking processors you have in a Mac Pro.
forums. macrumors. c o m/ showthread. p h p ?t=1231582
"No Mac is as good as that!"
Come back when you get your head out of your ass.
sc0pl355 2 months ago
@sc0pl355 No you cant get a Quadro 6000 for mac and the maximum unregistred RAM you can put into the macpro is 64GB.(The max unreg.RAM you can put in the z800 is 192GB and reg.96GB.Also the macs mainboard is inferior to the HP 800z´a.Macs dont support CUDA as good.The HP 800z has many useful featuresand can be upgraded more easily.All the Adobe and Autodesk software is optimized for HP workstations. And a lot of the 3D visualization software doesnt even run on mac. So please stop talking smack.
DerSchachspieler 4 weeks ago
@DerSchachspieler "you cant get a Quadro 6000"
I recall saying that you can FLASH a Quadro 5000 for Mac, which is a fact.
forum. netkas. o r g/ index. p h p? topic=1115.0
"the maximum unregistred RAM you can put into the macpro is 64GB."
eshop. macsales. c o m / shop / memory / Mac-Pro-Memory#1333-memory
Maximum in OSX = 96gb of ram. Maximum in windows under bootcamp = 128
"Macs dont support CUDA as good."
Proof?
Also, take your own advice instead of coming to my channel to be a douche.
sc0pl355 4 weeks ago
Mac is better for 2D, but mac don't have a lot of 3D program. We always use windows for 3D, and you can't use all the Nvidia quadro and tesla series on mac too. I use mac for photo and 2D works but windows for my 3D works. but for prices, the best is when you do yourself your workstation. ;-) after if you don't like windows use linux or by apple (but it's expensive) :-)
Insomniagraphic 9 months ago 2
@Insomniagraphic Yep. OS-X has support for raw Nikon files and Pro Res within the file manager. They make 2d work easy, but I I built a PC workstation recently for Cuda acceleration in Adobe and to run Maya. Maybe Skyrim and iRacing as well. (I can't work 24/7, right?) I've complained a lot about Windows over the years but 7 is a big improvement. I truly love my new PC. It's a TON of fun. I still love my Mac too but realizing they're both great tools to work with.
PapaCrazy1983 1 month ago
@PapaCrazy1983 Cool man. I can understand your position.
sc0pl355 1 month ago
You should compare to a homebuilt :D homebuilt beats both of these in price and performance :D
megamindstorm101 10 months ago
@megamindstorm101 Comparing the price of homebrew to OEM is just stupid. What you gain in saving money, you lose in support and time. Also, the comparison is to see if the computer is overpriced or not. the only way to determine that is to compare it to a similar machine that has similar factors affecting its price.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 well i suppose for work it would be easier to have 1 company to worry about fixing all the rigs and getting them all. so yeah your right in that area. however if it is just for 1 person once you can build your own rig you dont really need support. as for time i can get the parts list in about 10 minutes, and build the rig in 2 hours...not terrible if you ask me and not worth 800$ to get someone to do it for me. what does support do "your hardrives dead" i already know that.
megamindstorm101 10 months ago
@megamindstorm101 It's always easier to have 1 company to call for customer service. That's the whole idea of OEM's.
"what does support do "your hardrives dead" i already know that."
There can be many other issues with a computer than just the hard drive going tits up..
"as for time i can get the parts list in about 10 minutes, and build the rig in 2 hours..."
In the time it took for you to buy the parts and take them home, I could just buy a completed system and plug it in.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 obviously not just the hardrive im jsut getting an example. but if you can build it and you know a bit about computers generally you know whats wrong.
sure its faster but you arent getting quality parts (ie. generally generic ram and power supply ect.) and you are paying hundreds of dollars more, the average consumer is not made of money.
megamindstorm101 10 months ago
@megamindstorm101 Dude, now you're arguing that the custom power supplies used in these machines are generic? Dude, neither the Mac Pro or HP Zseries workstation uses a generic power supply.
"the average consumer is not made of money."
These computers are not for the average consumer. If you think a professional workstation is for the average consumer, then I have little faith in your knowledge of computers.
Look, I compared a workstation OEM to another workstation OEM. Live with it.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 when i say they generally have generic ram and psu's i am saying it in the sense of all computers not specifically these. In which case yes i have seen a lot of OEMs and 80% of them are generic ram and generic psu's (usually the minimum wattage to get the comptuer running as well).
I can build this exact rig right here and it will be a "workstation" you dont need to buy it from a company for it to be called a workstation...oh and no matter what apple says the macpro is *not* a workst
megamindstorm101 10 months ago
@megamindstorm101 ""oh and no matter what apple says the macpro is *not* a workst"
Ananand tech, PC world, PC mag, Consumer Reports, just about anyone that knows about computers and so on, disagree with you.
It is a workstation and it isn't only Apple saying so
"you dont need to buy it from a company for it to be called a workstation..."
I never said that you did. but you need to buy it from an OEM in order for it to be an OEM workstation and thus a fair comparison to other OEM workstations.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@sc0pl355 well my defenition of a workstation requires workstation graphics and a 5770 and 5870 is not a workstation graphics card its a gaming graphics card....just saying.
where did you say in the video "comparing OEM workstations" maybe i missed it but i didnt see it.
all i said was "lets include homebuilt" for companies OEMs are better if i owned a company i would go oem but for personal use i say building is better.
megamindstorm101 10 months ago
@megamindstorm101 "well my defenition of a workstation requires workstation graphics and a 5770 and 5870 is not a workstation graphics card its a gaming graphics card.."
Apple sells a quadro 4000 and 4800. Jesus.
"where did you say in the video "comparing OEM workstations" maybe i missed it but i didnt see it."
I shouldn't have to say it, both computers in this video are OEM's and this video is a response to a video that someone else made. This video isn't about what you would buy, dude.
sc0pl355 10 months ago
@megamindstorm101
Quadro 4000
snipurl. c o m / 27t8kp
Quadro 4800
snipurl. c o m / 27t8kq
sc0pl355 10 months ago
The Z800 is a better, newer machine. Unlike the Mac Pro, it has been completely redesigned from the ground up by BMWdesignWorks and HP. It supports 192GB of RAM, and 2 Hex-Core processors with water cooling. 15 SATA slots. Completely cableless, and tool-less modular design. It's also smaller and lighter than a Mac Pro. Also while the Mac Pro may cost less, it's upgrades (such as the SAS card) cost a lot more. I would pay list price for either, I would buy a chassis or base model Z800 and build.
SkylineToTheSeaAndMe 1 year ago
@SkylineToTheSeaAndMe Tell you what. Go look at the DATE of when I originally posted this video. This is a repost. I actually made this video in 2008, bro. these days, I compare the Mac Pro to the HP z600.
Also, completely cableless??? Z800??? Haha, no.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@SkylineToTheSeaAndMe I really need your opinion. I was going to buy a base model hp z400 because I can only afford one xeon cpu. My old system uses two opteron cpus. I use my system for 3d animation and digital compositing. Is it wise to still purchase a HP z800 with one cpu for now and then get the other cpu and second graphics card later. I notice that this case supports 8 sas ports and additional sata ports. That is good for a long use system isn't it,'
shinjide213 1 year ago
i get your point.
i'll buy an all custom made tower ^^
running linux.
enorma29 1 year ago
since you guys are all rich, would you buy me one? 0_0... i will repay you in the future
elijahroddy 1 year ago
@elijahroddy LoL sure, let me get my checkbook.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 alright, cool. I will PM you my address and info where you can send the product to :)
elijahroddy 1 year ago
@elijahroddy Lol
sc0pl355 1 year ago
well tho the mac is a great work station for the price comparatively mac has a os that is completely useless in many cases I have been an engineer for 17 years never seen anyone running a mac.
mrfingers69 1 year ago
@mrfingers69 Hrmph, I have seen macs is heavy use in the creative sector. Also, I recall a time when Virginia tech made a supercomputer cluster using Powermac G5's. I also recall that 'Elephant's Dream' was rendered on a Xserve renderfarm.
I strongly disagree with your assertion that OSX is worthless. A poor crafstman blames the tools.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
the mac pro now has 12 cores and evan back then it could have 32 gigs and hp and asus will always be crap no matter what because no reliability asus
Armaangandevia1 1 year ago
@Armaangandevia1 To be fair, other workstations and servers can have 32 gigs of ram or more.
However, the Mac Pro does bring the idea of large amounts of ram to the mainstream.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
the mac pro now has 12 cores and evan back then it could have 32 gigs
Armaangandevia1 1 year ago
the mac pro now has 12 cores
Armaangandevia1 1 year ago
umarmughal 1 year ago
@umarmughal Ok, went to HP's configuratior.
They do not have the processors that you ask for anymore, so I reconfigured it with two 5670's that have a clock of 2.93, are six cores and have a 12 mb cache and are 1333 mhz. These are the top processors available for the mac pro btw. There also wasn't a fx4800 option, so I left it with the firepro 3800...
They did have everything else. At the spec with these processors, it comes to $8,023.00
with quad-core 3.06ghz X5667's? $8,223.00
sc0pl355 1 year ago
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umarmughal 1 year ago
yes but the hp can hol 200gb of ram cuz i have a z800 and a mac pro and the mac pro tops at just 32 gb of ram an my z800 can smoke my mac pro.
JeremiahCardin 1 year ago
@JeremiahCardin First off, I made this video over a year ago. Secondly, look at how much 200gb of ram costs. I can buy multiple Mac pros for that and max their ram.
If you compare the price of an HP Z600 to a Mac Pro TODAY, the Mac Pro will cost significantly less. Should I make a vid of that?
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
I have a Z800 and I think having everything packed in my workstation is better, than buying 6 macpros and clustering them into one server... how much would that cost???
RenderManStudio 1 year ago
@RenderManStudio If you cluster 6 mac pros you would have far more processing power than your single Z800 has. Clustering does not make the Mac Pro's a server, dingus. Supercomputer, have you heard of it?
snipurl. c o m / 17oax3
Also, Mac Pro's cost less than HP Z600's and Z800's.
continued...
sc0pl355 1 year ago
sc0pl355 1 year ago
actually, scratch the MHGH29B-XTR Fiber Optic Card, I meant to pick the
Mellanox InfiniHost MHGA28-XTC Infiniband Host Bus Adapter, which costs $655.99
767.99 - $655.99= 112
112 x 10 = 1,120
so knock 1,120 off of that 62,419.9
that comes to about 61,299 for ten mac pros
sc0pl355 1 year ago
both or mac!
SublimeMotion 1 year ago
you guys keep fighting whats the name of this song ?? anyone ?
ociel1988 1 year ago
@ociel1988 Song is 'Angst?' by Eisbrescher
sc0pl355 1 year ago
You showuld compare the Mac Pro vs HP Z600. That would be accurate because Z800 is much more expandable than Z600 and the Mac... so what you are paying its not the chips only... its the posibiity to have 128 GIGAS of RAM, a lots of TERABYTES of hardspace and a lot of Quadro cards.
It was thinked for Oil people that must run heavy data, and they have a lot of money to expend ;)
thanks for the vid, but obviously you are a Mac user/lover so your point of view isnt that valid ;)
tomaccoFILMS 1 year ago
@tomaccoFILMS
First off, don't fucking tell me what to compare on my channel.
Secondly, The z600 DOES NOT have dual Xeons. I was comparing octo-core machines. If you bothered watching my video, you'd know this.
Also, look at how much 128 gigs of ram costs. I can buy multiple Mac Pros and cluster them for that price. Z800 only has 2 expansion slots that can handle a high-end videocard, just like the Mac Pro.
You're obviously butthurt that the Mac Pro costs significantly less than the HP.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 take a "fucking" pill man and chill
I have a Z600 and has dual xeon of 2.93GHz
We dont need 128 gigs of RAM! thats why i said that you should compare with z600 that has up to 24gigs.
you dont need to be agressive, its just a video!
tomaccoFILMS 1 year ago
@tomaccoFILMS
>I have a Z600 and has dual xeon of 2.93GHz
At the time that I made the video, z600 did not have dual xeons.
Did a config, it came out to costing about the same as a mac pro, tho the PSU is way too weak to match the Mac Pro.
>thats why i said that you should compare with z600 that has up to 24gigs.
up to 32 (official) or 64 (unofficial) for the Mac Pro
Also, in the configurator, I had to use 6 1 gig sticks as opposed to 3 2 gig. 1 gig sticks cost much less than 2 gig.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
Ohh liked that !!
ZbnG 1 year ago
mac fatboy, if you are pc fan mostly we do is custom build 1, for the spec the price is about $1400+
seonjie 2 years ago
Look, this is an oem to oem comparison. Kindly go cry elsewhere.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
I considered going over to Mac for the latest purchase of Workstation. It ended up a lot priceier and old crappy GFX and HDD options. I got it custom built as usual. It does not suprise me that a branded PC is as pricey as Mac. Dell is a tad cheaper still, but I'd go for Custom built with Asus components any day. Just waiting for the nVidia CUDA GFX now.
snuttemjuk 2 years ago
Nvidia cards are already CUDA
do you know what cuda is?
sc0pl355 2 years ago
even if you did a custom build your not going to get much cheaper. and ASUS does not make a mobo that can bulid a system similar, you need a Xeon Server mobo (Dual Socket) which is going to cost you around $500
then you need two Xeon cpus and the ones in the mac pro cost about $1,500.
and Server Ram isn't cheap either.
MygigProductions 2 years ago
I need to make a correction, I wouldn't buy an imac because I love the Pro line which I own several.
I didn't mean I wouldn't own a mac :D
neonsector 2 years ago
@neonsector
I'd love to get a MAC PRO
but professionally speak (graphic designer) the IMAC gives me all I need, the PRO would be overkill unless I were to dual major and go for some video production then I would go MAC PRO all day.
MACs are for serious people who want to be taken seriously, everything else is a settle.
bwaveforce 1 year ago
Oop, looks like ol' butthurt TheChickenChronicles is the first to recieve a B&aid for resorting to trolling and insults when he's proven wrong.
Byebye TheChickenChronicles.
B&
sc0pl355 2 years ago
little heads up buddy...dont compare an HP to a MAC, thats like comparing a pea wee leage to the majors...even the playing field, compare a MAC Pro to a DELL im an avid PC user and i found in personal research that the best comp to compare to a MAC is a DELL...try a Dell Presicion T1500 which has a bout 2.93 ghz and 4gb ddr3 ram two 1tb hd's, and it comes in at about 3,000...PC wins on that one forsure
TheChickenChronicles 2 years ago
first off, the T1500 is NOT comparable. That's the most bottom-of-the-barrel workstation that Dell has. Seriously, core i5 vs nehalem Xeon? Get out of my face.
Secondly, the t7500 would normally be a good match, but I see that it just had a revision, while the Mac Pro hasn't yet. I'll compare those two when they are both up-to-date.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
@sc0pl355 Why does everyone fell it necessary to call it a Nehalem Xeon. The i5 is also a member of the Nehalem family. Its the lynnfield or whatever. Why not just call the chips by their model numbers, its less confusing and complicated.
zoulkyud 2 years ago
I call it a Nehalem Xeon to draw a distinction between it and the previous generation Xeons, which were Core based, I believe.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Dell Precision T1500, Minitower
Win7 Professional Bonus - XP Professional downgrade, Core i5-750,2.66GHz,8MB, 4GB 1066MHz RAM, 3 Year warranty, Quadro NVS 295, Norton Internet Security 30 Day Trial, 2X 1TB SATA 7200 RPM HD
16X DVD-ROM, No Monitor, No Media Card Reader
$2,068
24" UltraSharp U2410
$529
2,068+529
$2597+shipping
sc0pl355 2 years ago
sc0pl355 2 years ago
A bit about the displays...
iMac
27 - inch, 2550 x 1440, LED Backlit, IPS
UltraSharp U2410 resolution
24 - inch, 1920 x 1200, NOT LED, IPS
sc0pl355 2 years ago
thats an imac retard...which are crap anyway...
comparing workstations, not apple "cheaper" home/buisness computer...
mac's cant do games like PC's especialy dell...so if u wana get started thats a whole other story...
TheChickenChronicles 2 years ago
It's an iMac, with a better spec as the Precision that you mentioned earlier.
Same processor. BETTER VIDEOCARD. SAME AMOUNT OF RAM. SAME DISKSPACE AS THE MAX ON THE t1500. BETTER SCREEN!
sc0pl355 2 years ago
sc0pl355 2 years ago
The new imacs are very close to the mac pros performance so they are not crap, they are actually very nice systems.
i wouldn't buy one because I want to be able to upgrade drives, max ram etc, but for the average joe the new imacs are amazing
neonsector 2 years ago
The Z800 blows, the 3DBOXX 8500 blows it (and the 8-core MP, and pretty much every other 8-core workstation) out of the water.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
this is a price comparison, not a power comparison.
are you saying that a 3DBOXX costs less at spec?
sc0pl355 2 years ago
BOXX doesn't really aim for cheap - they're a small company and they don't have the luxury of buying by the pallet like large OEMs like Apple and HP. A similar configuration to these two would cost $3,600 if you remove unnecessary extras (keyboard, mouse, MS Office) and maybe a little less if you haggle with their sales people.
They're still competitive, though.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
BOXX 8520
2x E5520 2.26GHz
4GB DDR3-1333 REG ECC
500GB 7,200rpm SATA
20X Dual Layer DVD±RW Writer
NVIDIA Quadro FX 580
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
$3,568
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Mac Pro
Two 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
8GB (4x2GB)
640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
$3,399
Nice try, but no. the Mac pro wins.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
at 2.66
BOXX= $5,106
Mac Pro= $4,799
at 2.93
BOXX= $6,147
Mac Pro= $5,999
That's at the specs I listed for each machine. The only thing changed is the processor.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Notice that the BOXX has faster memory, workstation graphics, and it only costs _all of $300 more_ than the 8-core MP's base configuration. The configuration you showed me must include some extra bullshit because I'm only seeing $3,474.
I didn't say they were cheaper, did I?
thebsdguy 2 years ago
Notice that I gave the Mac Pro more memory?
Notice that I gave the Boxx the lowest rated card. I wouldn't use either card for actual work.
the FX 950 isn't that much better than a gt 120. even if I added ANOTHER gt120, the Mac Pro would still cost a bit less.
HEY! I got $3,474. don't call my numbers bullshit. I configured it and cut out ANYTHING that the Mac Pro didn't have! I even removed the stupid external floppy drive.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Eh, I mean I got
$3,568.00
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Go tell ShepperdOneill that he made a bad purchasing decision then
thebsdguy 2 years ago
don't care about what shepperd Oneill uses.
I'm sure a BOXX is just fine. We're talking price comparisons here, not what people should/shouldn't buy.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
You forgot to add the RAID card to the MP, since you always seem to think that basic integrated SAS = add a fucking RAID card that costs more than the motherboard
thebsdguy 2 years ago
No, I didn't forget.
The BOXX doesn't have SAS capability built-in. it is only SATA. Look at its specs.
I add the RAID card ONLY when the PC in the comparison has SAS capability. AFAIK, the HP used in this vid has SAS capability. If you know of another card, in Mac Pro's configuraor, that I can get, that gives SAS capability and doesn't cost as much. let me know.
As it stands now, the Mac Pro RAID card is the way to add SAS capability.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
The 8500 definitely does.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
if the 8520 does, then WHY can't I give it SAS drives in the configurator?
snipurl. c o m / sxc8y
the 8520 is the model that I configured
sc0pl355 2 years ago
you can stick SAS drives in it, you know
that's like saying "the Mac Pro doesn't support SSDs since I can't configure it with them"
thebsdguy 2 years ago
You can stick SAS cards in the Mac Pro too.
SAS and SATA are pin compatible. But you need a SAS controller to use the cards.
Also, on the configurator it says (6) Serial ATA ports. If it had SAS built in, wouldn't it say (6) Serial ATA/SAS ports?
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Here we go.
These guys are selling BOXX 8500 series
snipurl. c o m / sxnzo
Notice what they say next to SAS under internal expansion. Quantity= 0
sc0pl355 2 years ago
oh I guess I'll take a reseller's word over the manufacturer's then
Look at their specs page, it mentions SAS capability.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
First off, this.
snipurl. c o m / sy7bc
Under upgrades
-Promise 450GB SAS Drive for Mac Pro
Am I to assume that the Mac Pro can run this drive without a controller? It can't.
Also, Ever thought of calling BOXX? They say that the 8520 only uses SATA.
Here's their number.
1-877-877-BOXX
oops
sc0pl355 2 years ago
look.
snipurl . c o m / sx2dq
I gave it EVERYTHING that the Mac Pro has. Don't fucking call my numbers bullshit.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
I specifically chose the single processor Mac Pro for this reason. The dual processor models are very competitive price-wise with other workstations.
I will say, though, a bit heavy on the emotes much? Lol.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
that's my style :D
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Yay new video from scopeless!!
sunnz 2 years ago
thanks sunnz ^^
sc0pl355 2 years ago
the crazy thing is you can softmod gaming cards and turn them into open gl workstation beasts. you could easily get an 8800 and transform it into an awesome card instead of settle for that crappy nvs 295.
ASCII808 2 years ago
Well, you can do the same with both computers. Also don't forget CUDA (Windows and Mac) and OpenCL
sc0pl355 2 years ago
thats pretty amazing, at least they can be softmodded on both platforms.
ASCII808 2 years ago
Wait, nvm, I thought you were talking about something else.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
Anyway, I gave the HP a NVS because that is the stock card it comes with. I would probably replace either graphics card.
sc0pl355 2 years ago
The scopeless one has spoken!
But...I already said that in the comments of that video.
Compwhiz128 2 years ago
Yeah, but some people don't notice this stuff until someone makes a video about it lol
sc0pl355 2 years ago