I've trained Tomiki Aikido for 33 years (competed in Japan twice) and found this video delightful. I hope his series is picked up by a commercial network. Well done!
As it should be in all arts. Even sparing is just play. Ask the few who have ever had to defend themselves on the street or in war--life and death often revert to simple, but effective techniques. And death happens, most will never get over it, even if they are fully in the right.
note...The Name Aikibudo wasn't changed to Yoshinkan Aikido. It was shortened to Aikido by Ueshiba Morihei. Yoshinkan was the name of Shioda Sensei's Dojo.
Training aikido in an Alive fashion doesn't need to increase injury rates. I do it in the Clinch range with my students while sparring,and the wristlocks makes people want to tackle you because they don't want your hands on them,lol. I'll put up vids of me nailing people off of the 2 on 1,head and arm,judo grips,etc.
By "free-style" fighting, do you mean, "sparring"? If there's no sparring, how can they ever really test their theories of what they practice? I want to learn Aikido (Aikibudo more specifically), so I'm just merely curious--not a nay-sayer, heheh--.
@Ronnock That is the million dollar question for whole host of martial arts that do not involve sparring or any other kind of isomorphic training. If you have never trained for war how will your body and mind really know how to respond?
@fightjapanrc Yeah, I suppose you train yourself mentally to be explosive during the martial art training, and train your body to be explosive during other times of training, not directly associated with the martial art you're learning. I do agree though, that if these students trained with the intention of causing harm (or if the Ukes weren't compliant) there would be a gross frequency of injuries.
@fightjapanrc remember it's also important to remember that sparring and fighting are very different, and sparring can actually lead to over-confidence and complacency due to the lack of "dangerous surprises".
@Ronnock they did test their theories.. if you watch "this" video, you'd come to know that the founder of yoshinkan dojo provokes yakusa men in the streets of Tokyo to practice their aikido.
If these people are being handed a black belt in only 11 months, they must have a low standard of quality. to do that, you'd need to train so much, it'd be overtraining and the quality would suffer.
From what I reember on reading about it, its all day training for 5 or 6 days a week for the full year, they pretty much eat live and breath aikido for the entire year. And having trained with someone who was handed his Shodan through this course, I can say the technqiues are not lacklsuter or of low quality, infact they were of quite the opposite, having been 2nd kyu in when i met him i still had the almost newbie feeling of What just hapened and why am I on the floor, after training with him.
Maybe. *If* the instructors were *exceptional*. Only then. Even then, I'd be skeptical. The guy you trained with may have had other training, additional training, or just a natural aptitude.
from what i understand, shodan is just the beginning of aikido. so it really makes sense within the context of aikido. but then it isn't a traditional martial art, its much more of a Budo.
imo they can get one black belt in 11 months if they train hard like tgnrogue said.. however, in my opinion they'll lose the black belt (i mean, all they learned in those 11 months) if they stay 4 months without practice.. while a guy who trains for 8 years could stay 1 or 2 years without training and still remember the techniche : )
No doubt! But I look it this way : It's like becoming a millionaire by producing 1 hit album. You'd be better off producing consistent and sustainable quality albums. That would probably get you further in the long-run.
Its one of the toughest courses there is. They train 3 classes a day 5 days a week and they train bloody hard. They earn that belt. Besides which its largely a mental thing anyway. Its for the riot police they have to get through that to become riot police its desised to break them. Once they finish they dont have to continue aikido. Anyone can do the course if they wish though it brings in money i guess. You also cant judge the skill level as you are striped of your grade once you sign up
So if you was already a dan grade before they wouldnt recognise it. They dont even recognise it if you got it at there club doing the regular classes. Some of those would have been practiceing aikido for years but do this course because its very well respected and the standard very high. The instructors are also the some of the best in the world in that style.
I can see that the standard is probably pretty high for what it is. I just don't think a crash course produces the same quality as someone going through a course that gradually hones the student.
maybe maybe not i cant say not having done the course but there must be a reason the course and those that have passed it are held in such high regard. I mean if it wasnt all that i shouldnt imagen it would have been going so long and be held in such high regard. And as i say some of those guys could already be high ranking akidoka that have earned those grades the same way we did but everyone stars the course the same grade. Most people couldnt still that course so respect to them i say.
Yeah, respect to them, sure. I'm just looking at this from the perspective of "I want to be the absolute best martial artist I can be. Can this system do that? If not, then what are my other options? What are laws-of-diminishing-returns here (where's the fine line)? Know what I mean?
Well check out some of the guys that have done the course. I belive robert mustard came through that course and has clips on here. I rate him pretty highly myself.
In Japan everyone has a black belt..It usually takes 9-12 months in judo and other martial arts. It's not such a big deal to be a black belt, however in the US it takes like 5 years or something, because the teacher make money and other bullshito.
Actually it takes longer to get a belt in Japan unless your practicing a Bullshido. And McDojos usually grant you a black belt in 6 months. That's how they make money. They promise people to teach them a supposed style so they can walk out with a Black Belt in a short period of time. They especially target kids. 5 years to get a Black Belt sounds legit. Although for some styles, it takes 4-5 years just to advance one rank.
Dude, I have no idea what schools you've trained at, but the schools I've seen in both Aikido and Ninjutsu, it takes minimum 4 years to reach black belt, and that's not due to milking the student's wallet either. It's due to it actually taking that long to reach a decent level of proficiency in the *basics* which is all a black belt means.
Dude im sorry but for a person to go from whitebelt to blackbelt in only 11 months in any form of Aikido or any other martial art for that matter would mean training for literally 8 hours a day 7 days a week and even then that is still probably not going to be enough to time to have fully mastered all the techniques required for Shodan. Still it is cool to know that it is possible I guess.
There's a common misconception that a black belt means you are a master. In Yoshinkan Aikido, it means you know how to do all the basics correctly. Once you get your Shodan, it is time to learn Aikido.
"There's a common misconception that a black belt means you are a master. In Yoshinkan Aikido, it means you know how to do all the basics correctly. Once you get your Shodan, it is time to learn Aikido."
Exactly. In Yoshinkan Aikido, a 1st Dan is basically a "worthy beginner".
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SkPiano 3 months ago
I've trained Tomiki Aikido for 33 years (competed in Japan twice) and found this video delightful. I hope his series is picked up by a commercial network. Well done!
adaxaroo 7 months ago
So you actually live in the hombu dojo as an uchi deshi?
HomunculusProject 8 months ago
It was a pleasure seeing the smiles on the childrens faces, truely clear minds and innocence. Very enlightening.
0196601930 11 months ago
wtf lol did he say "aikido sensay is famous for................but today he is high lol 3:50
alex080297 1 year ago
As it should be in all arts. Even sparing is just play. Ask the few who have ever had to defend themselves on the street or in war--life and death often revert to simple, but effective techniques. And death happens, most will never get over it, even if they are fully in the right.
shugyojmie 1 year ago
I have serious respect for the Senshusei course after reading Angry White Pyjamas by Robert Twigger
pigeonhammer 1 year ago
note...The Name Aikibudo wasn't changed to Yoshinkan Aikido. It was shortened to Aikido by Ueshiba Morihei. Yoshinkan was the name of Shioda Sensei's Dojo.
wsrpotg 1 year ago
Training aikido in an Alive fashion doesn't need to increase injury rates. I do it in the Clinch range with my students while sparring,and the wristlocks makes people want to tackle you because they don't want your hands on them,lol. I'll put up vids of me nailing people off of the 2 on 1,head and arm,judo grips,etc.
ATACXGYM 1 year ago
By "free-style" fighting, do you mean, "sparring"? If there's no sparring, how can they ever really test their theories of what they practice? I want to learn Aikido (Aikibudo more specifically), so I'm just merely curious--not a nay-sayer, heheh--.
Ronnock 1 year ago
@Ronnock That is the million dollar question for whole host of martial arts that do not involve sparring or any other kind of isomorphic training. If you have never trained for war how will your body and mind really know how to respond?
fightjapanrc 1 year ago
@fightjapanrc Yeah, I suppose you train yourself mentally to be explosive during the martial art training, and train your body to be explosive during other times of training, not directly associated with the martial art you're learning. I do agree though, that if these students trained with the intention of causing harm (or if the Ukes weren't compliant) there would be a gross frequency of injuries.
Ronnock 1 year ago
@fightjapanrc If you train with the proper mindset, you will at least be better prepared for a real situation.
KoalaRaptor 1 year ago
@fightjapanrc remember it's also important to remember that sparring and fighting are very different, and sparring can actually lead to over-confidence and complacency due to the lack of "dangerous surprises".
notdrockok 3 months ago
@Ronnock they did test their theories.. if you watch "this" video, you'd come to know that the founder of yoshinkan dojo provokes yakusa men in the streets of Tokyo to practice their aikido.
UltimateZell 11 months ago
@UltimateZell I didn't see these tests...so how am I to know if they actually did it or not, much less worked or not? This is my issue at the moment.
Ronnock 11 months ago
@UltimateZell well that is very "Aiki" of them -.- but still quite awesome^^
AikiDanne 2 days ago
man i miss practicing aikido
dangerousd666 2 years ago
meee tooo... i've been out for 5 years now :-(
aikiuke 2 years ago
Those kids were RIDICULOUS! There's got to be a law against such over whelming cuteness.
Chubearishere 2 years ago 4
OMG!!!!
Cute kids =D
HotKebab 2 years ago
I know the guy throwing at 4:16, he used to train with my dad over here in London.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
If these people are being handed a black belt in only 11 months, they must have a low standard of quality. to do that, you'd need to train so much, it'd be overtraining and the quality would suffer.
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
From what I reember on reading about it, its all day training for 5 or 6 days a week for the full year, they pretty much eat live and breath aikido for the entire year. And having trained with someone who was handed his Shodan through this course, I can say the technqiues are not lacklsuter or of low quality, infact they were of quite the opposite, having been 2nd kyu in when i met him i still had the almost newbie feeling of What just hapened and why am I on the floor, after training with him.
tgnrogue 2 years ago
Maybe. *If* the instructors were *exceptional*. Only then. Even then, I'd be skeptical. The guy you trained with may have had other training, additional training, or just a natural aptitude.
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
from what i understand, shodan is just the beginning of aikido. so it really makes sense within the context of aikido. but then it isn't a traditional martial art, its much more of a Budo.
dantemustkill 2 years ago
imo they can get one black belt in 11 months if they train hard like tgnrogue said.. however, in my opinion they'll lose the black belt (i mean, all they learned in those 11 months) if they stay 4 months without practice.. while a guy who trains for 8 years could stay 1 or 2 years without training and still remember the techniche : )
celitoofoda 2 years ago
Yup, good point. I agree.
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
yes, i believe it is 12 months of training now. Aikido is every day for 5 hours a day. (pretty sure.)
aikidokadokandojo 2 years ago
4 hours a day 5 days a week is a pretty tough standard
johnnydragonfist 2 years ago
No doubt! But I look it this way : It's like becoming a millionaire by producing 1 hit album. You'd be better off producing consistent and sustainable quality albums. That would probably get you further in the long-run.
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
Its one of the toughest courses there is. They train 3 classes a day 5 days a week and they train bloody hard. They earn that belt. Besides which its largely a mental thing anyway. Its for the riot police they have to get through that to become riot police its desised to break them. Once they finish they dont have to continue aikido. Anyone can do the course if they wish though it brings in money i guess. You also cant judge the skill level as you are striped of your grade once you sign up
tenshinage77 2 years ago
So if you was already a dan grade before they wouldnt recognise it. They dont even recognise it if you got it at there club doing the regular classes. Some of those would have been practiceing aikido for years but do this course because its very well respected and the standard very high. The instructors are also the some of the best in the world in that style.
tenshinage77 2 years ago
I can see that the standard is probably pretty high for what it is. I just don't think a crash course produces the same quality as someone going through a course that gradually hones the student.
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
maybe maybe not i cant say not having done the course but there must be a reason the course and those that have passed it are held in such high regard. I mean if it wasnt all that i shouldnt imagen it would have been going so long and be held in such high regard. And as i say some of those guys could already be high ranking akidoka that have earned those grades the same way we did but everyone stars the course the same grade. Most people couldnt still that course so respect to them i say.
tenshinage77 2 years ago
Yeah, respect to them, sure. I'm just looking at this from the perspective of "I want to be the absolute best martial artist I can be. Can this system do that? If not, then what are my other options? What are laws-of-diminishing-returns here (where's the fine line)? Know what I mean?
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
Well check out some of the guys that have done the course. I belive robert mustard came through that course and has clips on here. I rate him pretty highly myself.
tenshinage77 2 years ago
In Japan everyone has a black belt..It usually takes 9-12 months in judo and other martial arts. It's not such a big deal to be a black belt, however in the US it takes like 5 years or something, because the teacher make money and other bullshito.
attilaclark 3 years ago
Actually it takes longer to get a belt in Japan unless your practicing a Bullshido. And McDojos usually grant you a black belt in 6 months. That's how they make money. They promise people to teach them a supposed style so they can walk out with a Black Belt in a short period of time. They especially target kids. 5 years to get a Black Belt sounds legit. Although for some styles, it takes 4-5 years just to advance one rank.
GuardianShisa 3 years ago
Dude, I have no idea what schools you've trained at, but the schools I've seen in both Aikido and Ninjutsu, it takes minimum 4 years to reach black belt, and that's not due to milking the student's wallet either. It's due to it actually taking that long to reach a decent level of proficiency in the *basics* which is all a black belt means.
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
Dude im sorry but for a person to go from whitebelt to blackbelt in only 11 months in any form of Aikido or any other martial art for that matter would mean training for literally 8 hours a day 7 days a week and even then that is still probably not going to be enough to time to have fully mastered all the techniques required for Shodan. Still it is cool to know that it is possible I guess.
PARR53 3 years ago
that's what the senshusei program is a full blown aikido bootcamp. 8-10 hrs 5-6 days a week.
and from what i heard most in it are already fairly experienced in aikido (up to and including shodans)
mike0T4ever 3 years ago
There's a common misconception that a black belt means you are a master. In Yoshinkan Aikido, it means you know how to do all the basics correctly. Once you get your Shodan, it is time to learn Aikido.
cbase4 3 years ago 22
The first blackbelt is only the begining.
johnm543 3 years ago
"There's a common misconception that a black belt means you are a master. In Yoshinkan Aikido, it means you know how to do all the basics correctly. Once you get your Shodan, it is time to learn Aikido."
Exactly. In Yoshinkan Aikido, a 1st Dan is basically a "worthy beginner".
lolYOULOSTTHEGAMElol 2 years ago
@cbase4 PERFECT! Never saw such a wise comment here as this one!
kenokurose 7 months ago
@cbase4 We have the same mentality in Shodokan Aikido as well :)
mhmani21 6 months ago
thats exactly what they do. once you start, there is no end.
48thRonin 3 years ago
No, he's just wrong.
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
cute kids
vitorshaolin 3 years ago 2
Only a warrior chooses pacifism; others are condemned to it.
Biastrua 4 years ago 20
sounds logical!
steviepotter 3 years ago
Nice one!
fidepus 4 years ago 2
Hi Robert, great video, brings back lots of memories! All the best, Simon
simong1972 4 years ago 3
Thanks, Simon. I liked it. I am still trying to improve it.
fightjapanrc 4 years ago
Rob do you speak Japanese?
professorkarma 4 years ago 2