My question is, how did this guy even get treatment without insurance? How is this possible? Then it's all lies about the cost too? Which sounds like a bullshit figure!
The gentleman in this video simply emphasizes the point Ron Paul has made all along. It is through PERSONAL and WILLING charity that we help those we love who are in need. When it is government mandated then this is called Socialism. It becomes theft. Ron Paul has never said healthcare should be provided in a church. He has said in the past it has been provided by church run hospitals that provided care free-of-charge. The gentleman is using a very transparaent straw man argument.
Ron Paul has noted this even in the debates, I think at least two times - the problem is the government's involvement in the market, as is the case with medicine, and right now there isn't any competition in medicine, therefore, the quality is going down and the price is going up. If there was competition and a free market, because the price for health services would dramatically decrease, it would be a lot easier for people and charities to help others. Right now the prices are insanely high.
The evil socialist Nazi Hitler brownshirt Gestapo communist atheistic Marxist big government healthcare system we have in England is the reason my mother and younger brother are still alive with me today despite my parents having been poor during those days. The system isn't perfect, but I'd prefer what I have now than what Americans have atm :(
I don't think I'd want to live in a country where saving lives is dominated by money talk, but I'm an evil commie/socialist/Nazi boy, what do I know?
i know there are tons of people out there (reasonable or not they have a right to their opinion) who DON'T want health reform. so in the end, i would think the whole idea should be left to the states; there are already some with health insurance programs, and some(most) without it.now that america has gotten a taste of health reform, if the people push their states to move on this,it will be done; for those who don't want it, it's better to have the option to change states than change countries.
This guy thinks money comes from thin air. That the government can keep providing for this flawed program. He needs to re-evaluate what is really going on here. The health care system in this country is one of the largest spending issues that we are dealing with right now, along with overseas spending. RP wants to implement a system where it will phase out of those programs whilst doing limited harm to the people.If we continue on this track, these programs wont phase out, they'll be destroyed
Sooo, because the programs are going to die in the future we should just kill it now? By that logic we should just kill anyone with a terminal illness because they're just going to die anyway, right? Why let them live and leech off the system, right?
@terminaldeity He's not going to eliminate the program instantly. There will be a transition phase, so like I said, it will do limited harm to the people. If we continue on this track, there will be A LOT more people without health insurance, simply because this economy will cease to afford it. So by your logic, we should just give free health care to the sick right now even though it will destroy the system eventually and leave many, many more people sick without affordable health care.
@terminaldeity Also, keep in mind that RP will implement a system where you will be able to opt out of medicare or medicaid if you want to (and this will be paid for by immense cuts to unnecessary spending). So uhh, yea this whole conversation is pointless. However, if Obama is re-elected... Don't even start me on how bad Obama care is...
But what was this guy really arguing? If he was concerned about Snyder, why didn't he himself go ahead and donate to pay the bills? He wasn't arguing for the mans life, which was more important.
@xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx "If he was concerned about Snyder, why didn't he himself go ahead and donate to pay the bills?" This is a typical libertarian straw-man. It's far more efficient for a clearinghouse to redistribute centrally collected funds than it is for individuals to try to help on a case by case basis. His point is that if the system were more inclusive, Snyder would have gotten the care he needed. RP is against that.
@evanlongaccount So why didn't he give to a centrally managed fund? What's straw-man about it? Why didn't he personally give to the most efficient way of helping this mans family? How can you be inclusive AND efficient about healthcare for 350 million people? Why don't we take this internationally. How about 7 billion ppl? MY point is that anti-libertarian philosophies don't get to the root of the problem, but beat around the bush and argue costs, not the true moral position, which they taut.
@evanlongaccount Libertarians argue allowing the freedom for individuals to pursue their own interest's so long as they do not interfere with the freedom of another. Cost benefit analysis of incidental efficiency is part of the economic persuasion, a sort of by-product of this "system," and argue the cost imposed upon by other "systems." It's more of an individual's pursuit of philosophy, imposing restrictions on the government, rather than the other way around. It is more of a moral position
Health care is a human right and a necessity, introducing the profit motice to it (making a profit off of collecting premiums but denying treatment) is something morally acceptable to the morally myopic libertarians, but to a social democrat it's a question of human life/quality of life
I take both the moral and cost effective option of socialized medicine
@dffykvn If you wonder about how effective Government health care is, go the the VA hospitals and see how much they care about our veterans. The problem comes from the fact that if they can intrude in my life on health care, in order to minimize cost they might take away our right to smoke cigarettes, our ability to engage in dangerous behavior, our right to sit on our asses and not exercise if we want. So if you wish to live as a slave, go right ahead, but don't force your will on me.
I can look into the eyes of this guy and see the ignorance. He is narrow minded and unintelligent. He has no idea what Ron Paul stands for...he is only afraid.!
God, what an annoying little man. I don't have a problem with roads, or schools, or sick people being taken care of. I HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING MY MONEY STOLEN FROM ME BY A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS CORRUPTLY AND IGNORANTLY MISUSING IT. Hospitals wouldn't cost so damn much without all the government involvement. Funds for education, infrastructure, the poor, sick, or needy (AND EVERYTHING) would be handled so much more efficiently without big government robbing us.
Self responsibility must be taught to every citizen . America must teach it's children to save 10 percent of their earnings and to rely on themselves.. Do not take the handouts from the slave masters...If this world had a natural disaster , the people must be self reliant and prepared.
$400,000.00 for 2 months in a hospital why don't you attack the hospital? I live in Harris County and we have several Catholic Hospitals that pay for the sick and we have a county hospital system that covers the sick and illegals! He should have bought insurance or applyed for assistance to pay for his bill.
@MegaChairmanMao Ron Paul policies realized across the board would actually empower citezens economicly. If you are going to rely on the government to take care of your health you are likely to die a bitter man. If you paid less taxes because there was less government , inflation was flat because there was a sound currency and free markets could create prospeity and jobs because it was unhindered by government empowered monopolies most people could easily afford health care.
@evanlongaccount We actually have no idea how well a truly free market would work as we have never had one. The US economy/government is a hodge podge of classifications. We have heavy corporatism influenced by oligarchs who manipulate legislation to protect monopolies and powerful conglomerates as well as central economic planning via control of creating and taxing of our currency with a heavy dose of militarism thrown in to help u boss hog our way into foreign markets. Not a free market!
@grecorivera941 There's a great degree of coercion implied by the very existence of money and markets. If by free, you mean coercion-free, you won't find it in an unregulated market economy.
@evanlongaccount Regulations generally lead to monopolies or massive conglomerates. The government is supposed to be working to protect us from coercion not increase its potency and stealth by legalizing it. The fed is unconstitutional , we should not be paying tax to a private entity to control and manipulate our currency. That is 1 chain and the nearly 51% of all revenue from US taxpayers going to fund military operations that primarily benefit transnational corporations is another chain.
@dffykvn "There ARE anti competative regulations written by big businesses to shut out the little guy. Unfortunately libertariatards have conflated basic things like worker protection and hazardous waste disposal to that stuff." I agree.
@evanlongaccount Regulations generally lead to monopolies or massive conglomerates. The government is supposed to be working to protect us from coercion not increase its potency and stealth by legalizing it. The fed is unconstitutional , we should not be paying tax to a private entity to control and manipulate our currency. That is 1 chain and the nearly 51% of all revenue from US taxpayers going to fund military operations that primarily benefit transnational corporations is another chain.
@evanlongaccount Regulations generally lead to monopolies or massive conglomerates. The government is supposed to be working to protect us from coercion not increase its potency and stealth by legalizing it. The fed is unconstitutional , we should not be paying tax to a private entity to control and manipulate our currency. That is 1 chain and the nearly 51% of all revenue from US taxpayers going to fund military operations that primarily benefit transnational corporations is another chain.
@grecorivera941 The fed has is a private entity empowered by a government act to control the issuance of currency that the biggest monopoly of all. Also when regulations are created to deal with various industries function in any phase : price fixing, distribution rights, taxing, ect any regulations that exist can be overlooked for companies who's pockets are deep enough to pay off the right politicians to gain a competitive edge. GE is a big one off the top of my head.
Kent Snyder had apparently bought into the hype currently strangling this country, and was evidently obsessed with electing a man to run government who would never lift a finger to help him, but who had sworn to uphold the Hippocratic oath when he became a doctor. Life is full of sad irony.
@g777enn no plan but he says he would get rid of the fed, get rid of the drug war,get rid of the irs, sounds like a good start to , me, i hadnt heard about the theil connection though, so do you think he is lying and wouldnt do those things?cause im pretty sure those are all against the bilderberg agenda
Do you realize how many people could have been saved from cheaper, more treatable things like starvation for $400,000? Does the average joe have any hope of making that much in their entire lives now? There's a simple matter of diminishing returns and opportunity costs here - that kind of money simply isn't worth paying for anyone.
why dont you commi bitches stop crying about health care and free shit and stop eating shit and take care of yourself, stop eating junk and sucking dick and you wont die ,
Ron Paul is funded by Steve Thiel a Bilderberger. He's got no plan to stop corporate rule of the USA. No plan to rein in banks. No plan to ameliorate unemployment with a works program. No plan to put the USA back in first place. He defends the Pope and the Vatican. He's a Freemason...
@g777enn well if he is hes got the best track record of all of them , every last one is a tool and they only allow you to be presedent if your a top trusted tool of the zionist jews who created the illuminati . were wAS RON PAUL ? WHERE WERE YOU ? STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT ASS COMMI FUCKS, GO SUCK SOME MORE DICK AND CRY ABOUT HAVING AIDS AND NO FREE MEDICAL
what about personal responsibility? mr. snyder made his own decision whether or not to purchase insurance. we all suffer to some degree when we make unwise decisions, but that certainly doesn't mean we have any claim on other people's money to pay for the expenses resulting from him making that decision. the cost of medical care has been much much higher than it needs to be ever since government intervention and entitlements.
lol this is a radio show? Never heard of it and this guys has no talent.
sell your equipment and bail out while you can man, your annoying, you sound like a pastor at a church the way you pause and yell pause and yell, just stfu.
Wow....what an idiot. So he things we should do what with our taxes? Pay for everyones medical? So nobody suffers? How about a trillion dollar stimulus that went up missing? Thats ok isnt it. Lets make more money we dont have. If we brought home ALL troops from every country in the world, we could afford medial for free for every american. Period........Stop the war machine
you are a complete idiot that doesn't really understand the issue here!!!! its not to say that health care in some form of "freeness" shouldn't exist!!!! its to say that government subsidies and or involvement are nothing but damning to these institutions!!!! so get your facts straight and then speak..... unless you're just another worthless sell out media actor???
Who gave this dickhead a microphone and a radio show?! What is he insinuating anyways? That it is somehow Ron Paul's fault that this guy chose not to have health insurance(if he even had a choice at all as it is possible he had a pre-existing condition)? Furthermore $400,000 for a two month hospital stay?! I suppose Ron Paul is to blame for the inflation of health care costs as well? For all we know this could be a case of HCAP (Health Care Acquired Pneumonia) where the facility is responsible!
400,000 for pneumoniua...my grandfather didnt have this much to pay with cancer for months and has now been dead for 9 years....insurance is all a joke anyway...how can people not see it....insurance can NEVER work properly...u cant expect to pay a few hundred or whatever a month and then claim THOUSANDS...insurance gets a million dollars but then has to pay out 2 million...can u people not get this simple concept...i dont know why no1 thinks of this little fact...can u say bailout
This isn't accurate at all. You are OMITTING (on purpose?) that Ron Paul's stance and solution for health care is aimed at *making health are affordable* again. He's for breaking the backs of the monopolies that have driven health care costs through the roof for people like you and me. That's a far more salient and relevant point that the distorted view you are presenting of Congressman Paul.
@hanseric245 Yeah, the the possibly cheapest hospitals you can EVER get are those who are non profit. Those who are NOT ran for the sake of making money. Anyone who has studied state science can tell you that hospitals are NOT cheaper when exposed to the free market. And monopolies still exist. Its not like monopolies just go away because of the competition.
what an utterly poor analysis. you should be ashamed for trying to make such a cheap point on the death of a person. whats worse is that you have shown a total lack of understanding of what Ron Paul says and believes about this issue. you make me sick.
Whatever happened to the individual's responsibility to themselves and their own self-interests and their own wellbeing? All this liberal nonsense about how "society" is always responsible for every individual's poor decisions. You're responsible for your own life; sound financial planning includes your healthcare options, your life insurance coverage, and your post-life estate planning (ie. life insurance). It's your life, YOU take care of it.
@hanksnow82 - HankieSnot, it's clear you have a big ol' boner for gays. Here's a news flash - the majority of health problems in this country are directly due to people's actions, whether drinking, smoking, doing drugs, overeating, eating crappy food, not exercising, driving, playing sports, etc.. But apparently, you only want one select group of people to die - the ones you don't like. You still haven't addressed how you'd handle the 3,000 or so HIV+ kids who made the bad choice to be born.
@47f0 Its interesting that you bring up the negative behavior of smoking drinking /alcoholisim and drugs as these behaviors are a minimum of 100 % higher in homosexuals . We treat all children that are ill the same your question is one of a buffoon .
@hanksnow82 - So, are you saying we only treat straight alcoholics, or...? You're not being very consistent here. So you'd treat the kids. Congratulations on developing a shred of humanity. How about their moms? Some of the moms were hookers - or IV drug users. Some of them just had the bad luck to have husbands that screwed around on them. How do you sort them out?
@47f0 I'm being 100% consistant . If you are a alcoholic you go behind normal people for a liver transplant . If you ar e a smoker you go behind normal people for a lung transplant . If you are a IV drug user or part of a promiscuous group we have spent billions on warning of their behavior you should not get the same care as people that were and are responsible. You sure shouldn't be ahead of children .
@47f0 - So is the Mom with HIV a hooker - a drug user - or did she just sleep with her husband who fooled around on her? Who gets to play god and make that call?
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so what is to do? Obamacare?.. please.. or pay for a $300 a month insurance so in the end they can only pay for 20% of the bill and thats by nagging at them. and first of all where am i going to get $300 if i am paying my bills paycheck to paycheck. healthcare should be a right! none of the assholes on those podiums will give it to us they would lose to much money if they were to give us healthcare, Except................. Ron Paul really look at what he is saying not highlights on tv... Idiots!
@davebombers You have a right to your liberty and a right to your life, but you do not have the "right" to things, goods, or services, unless it is your own private property.
@AzuAtoms Nope. We are governed by laws created by Congress within the bounds of the Constitution. There are more than a few laws that say the government can take everything you have if some condition set is met.
If the law says pay a tax that tax is no longer your "private property." What you are allowed as private property also is strictly defined and enforced by law. There are many things you cannot legally own.
@Pangolinx1 I'm aware of how Congress and taxes work. Not everything you own is considered "private property" (money taxed), but you have a right to what IS considered your private property. And the Fifth Amendment does state "...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.", for what it's worth. But this is mostly irrelevant. My point was that you don't have a "right" to "things", unless it's yours, i.e. what you've paid for, e.g. private insurance.
@AzuAtoms Do you dispute that established law allows the Congress to tax you to provide a benefit for others: Medicare, farm subsidies, flood insurance, that you may not directly share in?
There is no law in physics that applies to anything about health care or even money. The laws of the U.S., however, certainly allow the government to dip into your pocket. T.S. buddy. Your libertarian fantasies don't wash in the real world.
@Pangolinx1 Obviously I don't dispute that they occur, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. A "right" is not only defined as a legal entitlement, but also a moral entitlement. People are communist in the United States and their view of how things should work are even less like how things are currently run, but that doesn't make them not communists because of it. I'll ask you this; of every dollar that you earn, how much of it do you deserve to keep?
@AzuAtoms Ah, yes. The great failure of Communist United States where we have millions of homeless people including whole families of homeless and we imprison a greater percentage of our population than any government in the world. All so WalMart can treat minimum wage employees like shit.
Do you EVER intersect with reality at all? Ever? Only in the U.S. would anybody ever describe the current U.S. system as "communist." Everybody else thinks we're flirting with fascism.
@Pangolinx1 Oy vey. I didn't say anything about the United Sates being a communist country. I said individuals in the country are communists. A friend of mine in particular calls himself a "Marxist". Most of my politically active friends consider themselves "democratic socialists". Ironic that you're the one claiming people on here have reading comprehension issues.
@AzuAtoms - Azu, here's where you guys fail. You conflate optional goods, services, etc. with very non-optional medical treatment. By your argument, we should absolutely let children die of starvation - they have no right to food, after all, because it's not in the Constitution. You have a choice to buy a big-screen TV or not. You have a choice to buy a car or not. When your appendix bursts, your choices are narrow, and in the U.S., punitive.
@47f0 I'm absolutely NOT saying we should let children die of starvation. "We" meaning society. "Government" (a few hundred people in congress and the white house) is not society, it's a handful fat cats that decide who pays for what and what gets paid for. If your appendix bursts, you would be treated. Without so much government interference, the child's insurance would be much cheaper, but even if his parents still could not afford it, their medical bills wouldn't be through the roof either.
@AzuAtoms - remarkable. You just totally walked around the concept that health care might be a little more fundamental, a little less optional than a new microwave. It's not your typical "goods and services" line item. But seriously - why not let children starve in the streets? I can't find "food" anywhere in the Constitution, and we all know if you can't quote in in the Constitution, it shouldn't exist. See, the problem with "we as society" is that "we" used to let people starve - not good.
@47f0 If YOU want to help children from starving, then YOU do something about it. The people. Not a few politicians and bureaucrats. The constitution is a limit on the federal government, not the people, and not local government for that matter. Do you think people still don't starve, with all your government utopia? Do you think people in the soviet union didn't starve? China under Mao? The same government that has the ability to feed and take care of all the people can also starve the people.
@AzuAtoms - well, Azu, you big cuddly sociopathic twit, what you're talking about is the lovely days of Dickens. When people starved in the streets. Were there charitable individuals? Absolutely. But there were many uncharitable individuals. "Are there no prisons, no poorhouses?" See, you selfish assholes work on the premise that you don't want a nickel taken from you to support any disadvantaged- but you sooth your stunted conscience by pretending the next guy will.
@47f0 I realize this is YouTube, but are any of you even attempting to act like adults? Actually, I have no problem giving to private charity. I meant "you" as individuals. You're a fool if you think the federal government won't use any of your money for much less well-intentioned ventures, like invading more countries. At least if it were left to the state level, you wouldn't have Massachusetts using our money to invade Iran. That's among the reasons socialist programs are better suited locally
@AzuAtoms - Oooh, goody. States rights. Where some states still get to have slaves, because, after all, it's not in the purview of the Federal government to ensure equal access to citizenship. And, hey, if Georgia wants to import a shitload of Mexican children to work the fields for pennies a day, that's just states rights and the free market at work, right?
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Look. It's clearly in the domain of the Fed Govt. to establish certain minimums - if your state wants to add more, go for it.
@47f0 To think something like murder, rape, enslavement, child prostitution, etc. would ever be legalized at any level is so beyond reality. But I do agree that these sort of things might as well be at the fderal level. We just disagree on what other things they should be the boss of. Remember that the USA and many other major countries had legal slavery only a century or two ago, so you can't think the chance of a state legalizing something like that to be all that more likely than the federal.
@KenMacMillan - "With a free market in healthcare he wouldn't have had $400,000.00 worth of medical bills"
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Man, you are so right. See, in a free market, you can't force businesses to take unprofitable customers. So his medical bills would have been exactly $0 as he died in the streets. Isn't the free market wonderful?
@hanksnow82 Ooh, goody. Do we get to leave motorcyclists lying on the side of the road after a crash or do we lift burning cars off of them and make sure they get medical care.
Because in Ron Paul world if you're an idiot we just laugh and watch you die. That goes for parents who buy trampolines for their kids, and ATVs and gun "accidents" and ski-boat "accidents" and kayakers and mountain climbers, any athlete with heat stroke, broken limbs, spinal injuries. Let them die.
@Pangolinx1 No we spend ( the tax payer) upwards of half a million dollars to save them just like we did for this guy but we hope someone /his estate will pay for his irresponsible behavior . If you tell your insurance agent that you are an avid mountain climber . competitive skier etc they have a special rate for you . Last year 17 skiers and 7 mountain climbers died in America . Over 50 thousand people died of AIDS with the leading cause being irresponsible homosexual sex as the cause .
@hanksnow82 "Over 50 thousand people died of AIDS with the leading cause being irresponsible homosexual sex as the cause."_hanksnow82. Because heterosexual sex is ALWAYS responsible and ALWAYS results in stable relationships, healthy children and responsible parents; right? Oh, shit no. It's a goddamn minefield and not the least of it is closeted gay people bullied into pretending to be straight.
You want a real killer: sugar. Without refined sugars in the diet Type II diabetes rates dive.
@Pangolinx1 Let me add that you, sir, are a ghoulish, asshole to be dancing on the graves of AIDS victims so as to play internet tough guy. A fat percentage of those victims were women and children infected by husbands, partners, parents or medical procedures. The AIDS virus does not care if the sex is male-male or male-female; it's a virus. Globally most AIDS cases come from straight sex.
@hanksnow82 Worldwide? Nope. AIDS is a virus and you're use of other people's suffering to demonize them makes you exactly the kind of heartless asshole that people accuse liebertarians of being.
It isn't that God hates gays anymore than wild rainstorms mean God hates Nashville or drought means God hates Texas. It's YOU that is full of hate and use religion as a smoke screen. When it comes right down to it you're a bunch of heartless bastards that are all take and no give.
@hanksnow82 What? Viruses work differently in America? We get our own laws of chemistry or physics? AIDS was never spread by straight sex in the U.S.?
Or maybe, you're just a fucking bigot that thinks it's OK to blame the obvious failure of Ron Paul's bullshit ideas on somebodies sexuality. Because the outcome wouldn't have mattered one bit if the guy had hepatitis from straight sex and needed a liver transplant. Or cancer. Or diabetes. The failure would have been the same.
@Pangolinx1 According to the World Health Association transmission factors for HIV /AIDS very greatly depending on region . This guys own Irresponsible homosexual behavior caused his death . Deal with it .
@hanksnow82 Still dancing on graves huh? Only behavior that YOU don't like is "irresponsible" and deserving of painful death. Having a little trouble with that God delusion are you? It's ok, you can go to meetings where there are other people with god delusions like you. They call them....
Tea Parties. Where you can get all your teabagging in and go home to a nice evening of self-loathing.
@hanksnow82 What you really mean is that you're willing to take what you need from the general social services but refuse others what THEY need. No human, ever, has been entirely responsible for themselves over the course of their lives. You are born into a culture, raised by a culture, and whatever your absences may be you will return to a culture that gives you far more than you can ever return.
@Pangolinx1 thats why the founders gave us a republic to be free and let the government protect us from invaders. just read the constitution, i truly believe freedom can work if society is ready for it.
@jayco360 The preamble to the U.S. Constitution: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
"promote the general Welfare..."
Reading comprehension; always a problem for conservatives.
@ramjetross It doesn't forbid provision either. Actually I don't see how this argument gets you off the general understanding that libertarianism is simply an expanded expression of... "I've got mine fuck you!" Ron Paul certainly had access to the finest healthcare that Uncle Sam could provide but neglected that little detail for his immediate staff. Hey, he already has his share; what else mattered, right?
@Pangolinx1 Your right that no human is entirely responsible for themselves over the course of their lives and we all must deal with the consequences of that . What you want is for there to be no consequences .
@hanksnow82 No what I want is for access to health care to be decided by something more than a popularity contest down at the local church's charity committee. A provision that was notable for it's massive failure in the not-too-distant past.
Basic physics and biology provide consequences enough. There's no need to increase suffering by neglecting to provide basic health care where it would be otherwise available.
@Pangolinx1 You want someone else to pay for you to access to health care . I don't know what church's charity committee's have to do with anything as the health care i get is totally secular . With a $400,000 outstanding health care bill i would say this man got far more then basic health care at the tax payers expense since he was in a state hospital .
@hanksnow82 That's no ordinary moral stick up your ass is it? You've got some sort of ironwood, laser inscribed with proscriptions from the old testament about not mixing fibers in thread, no eating vultures or rabbits, and about how adulterers should be stoned. When exactly was the last time you stoned an adulterer?
Wait, were you the atheist downthread? Then it would just be a nice smooth stick because you're afraid of your attraction to cocks.
@Pangolinx1 Yes i'm still an atheist so that anti god crap you usually go with won't fly here . Once i see guys like you quit even trying to make an arguement and just go 100% for the ad hominems , i know ive won the arguement . lol that was easy .
@hanksnow82 So what's it like to live in a hall of mirrors? As far as I can tell you consider yourself to be the only valid moral authority. "Mine" to be the only needed moral justification for greed. Yet by your very use of this medium you prove you're willing to take from others.
You're taking but not giving. What does that make you?
Really there is no evil that Ron Paul and his LIEbertarians will not excuse as long as it makes profits for themselves or some corporation. They want government out of the way so they can loot the rest of us freely.
@Pangolinx1 "They want government out of the way so they can loot the rest of us freely."
This is the most ignorant statement I ever heard. And you apparently wnt government in the way so they can loot the people in the name of big corporations. Remember the bailouts? Thy took American taxpayer money and gve i to big banks, bot foreign and domestic. And they're still doing it.
@mickeysears There's a huge difference between reforming government and eliminating it. In the first case you get something that looks like the Netherlands in the second you get Somalia. Guess which side the Ron Paul kooks are on?
Wake up uninformed pseudo-libertarians. Single-payer is the only moral health insurance. Under Paul's "free" market plan, you would be FORCED to choose between being a debt slave to health insurance companies or dying. Not only that, single-payer is heck of a lot cheaper. Healthcare should not be a businesses, lining the pockets of CEO's by denying healthcare.
@Vote3rdParty I think it's you that should wake up. "Healthcare should not be a business?" So just who will make the Doctors spend extra time and money to become doctors for the extra benefit? Who will make all the medical equipment for no profit? The diagnosis machines? The prostesis? The Beds? The bedsheets and pillows? Build the hospital? The aftercare? The drugs? The operating equipment? Just how many companies will exist hiring people for NO PROFIT?
@mickeysears - Do you have no comprehension of what single-payer is? It only eliminated the insurance companies, because the government become the insurer. All those things you mentioned stay the same.
@Vote3rdParty I know exactly what single payer is. It's a scam perpetrated by business interests to get taxpayers to foot the bills for medical care that private companies could never get away with in a free market economy. Government and big business partner at the expense of tax payers. Given enough incentive (bribes), politicians will always allow the highest prices instead of the lowest with competition. Look at education and the military to see what will happen with healthcare costs.
@Vote3rdParty Besides if all those other companies can make a profit then you're saying you just don't want insurance companies making a profit. That's a different statement than what you made. But then why just stop at healthcare insurance? In your mind, why should insurance companies make a profit in life insurance? If they can't make a profit in health, they certainly shouldn't make a profit in death, right? Why aren't you advocating taxpayers pay extra and let government pay when people die?
@Vote3rdParty How about homeowners or renters insurance? Why let insurance companies make a profit over disasters? You should be advocating that taxpayers pay extra to cover everyone so if there house burns down or they get flooded or hurricanes the government should foot the bill. What about auto insurance? Why should insurance companies make money accidentally? What about insuring peoples stuff against theft. Why should insurance companies make money off of crime?
@Vote3rdParty It just doesn't make sense to me that you should be so against an insurance company making a profit from the health but the drug companies can rape us and you say nothing. American hospitals charge $50K for an operation that you can get in Taiwan for $7K and you say nothing. That has nothing to do with insurance companies but you want them to pay those exorbitant bills without question. Do you demand the best care or the most cost efficient? But you want someone else to pay for it.
@mickeysears - You realize that when the government directly bargains with drug companies it brings down the cost? This has been proven in other countries with socialistic healthcare plans. Socialized plans also eliminate the immoral CEO bureaucracy that lines their pocket by denying healthcare (death panels). France ranks number 1 for healthcare and the U.S. is number 37. We simply need to copy their healthcare system. You pay for other people's healthcare already in a private system.
@SergeantPepper99 - There's a tax you're forgetting out, and that's the inherent theft of the free market. The free market entails a private bureaucrat between you and the market, reaping the profit of your labor. That's why the government taxes the rich more, to get our STOLEN money back. So maybe if we abolished the free market people could afford healthcare? But I tend to be anti-deficit, so I support the cheaper single-payer system.
@Vote3rdParty You are sadly misinformed my friend.How can you justify theft from one person whether rich or poor to give to another person whether rich or poor?Use some sense and see that we dont have free market health care and are a whole lot closer to your single payer then free market.it was only once the government started intervening in the industry that prices went wild.Insurance has been inflated by the govt and would only play a minor role in the doctor patient relationship in a FM
@funkysnarf - So your arguing if someone robs you they should be able to keep the stolen goods and if the government dare give you back your stolen wealth that's tyranny? You clearly are not living in reality. We're no where close to a single-payer system. We have mandated private health insurance, not a government insurance plan.
Please explain how the HUGE free market healthcare costs are from the government? France pays less per capita on healthcare than the U.S. So does Canada.
@Vote3rdParty That word, libertarian, has been utterly destroyed by these economic social darwinists. What that word used to mean, and what it means today, are two very different things. In Europe, Libertarianism was synonymous with socialism and workers rights
He couldn't afford insurance because the cost is driven up by Government interference. The hospital bill was so high because the cost is driven up by Government interference. More Government bureaucracy and interference should definitely be the solution! He received the same care as anyone with insurance, so the fact that he died is irrelevant, but nice job exploiting Kent Snyder's death, fucking asshole.
@AzuAtoms Da Paulites be saying "IT'S ALL DA GUBMINT'S FAULT!!!" The song never changes no matter what's going on. Everything is the governments fault and rich oligarchs and corporations bear no responsibility.
@Pangolinx1 A corporation has no motive other than to make money, stop expecting anything otherwise. They're free to do as they please as long as it does not harm others. The fact that their prices are so high is not because they're putting people's well-being at the expense, they have to have such high prices because of the the cost to THEM due to Government regulation, mandates, licensing, etc. If their prices weren't high, they'd go out of business.
@AzuAtoms Corporations have special license to harm others. Look at BP/Deepwater Horizon oil spill. If an individual had killed that many people and caused that much damage by tossing a match in some dry brush they'd be facing multiple life terms in prison. When a corporation kills people and ruins tens of thousands of livelihoods and makes more tens of thousands ill they pay a tiny fraction of their profits in fines.
@Pangolinx1 I'm absolutely not arguing that Tony Hayward and everyone else responsible for the explosion and oil spill should be serving time in prison. The reason they aren't is because they're hiding behind the Government regulations that they're attempting to claim they followed. Government is not what caused the oil spill, but they're enablers all the same.
@AzuAtoms_Dude_ There is no daylight whatsoever between you and the old man sitting on their own rickety porches looking at their own weedy grass turn brown and muttering "it's all the niggers fault." You just replace the word "government" for "niggers."
@Pangolinx1 Lol... First of all, you have your "stereotypical evil old man" mixed up. They "hate" niggers, they "blame everything on" the Jews. Second, I'm for economic liberty AND social liberty, so no, I don't treat any person other than an individual. There, now that that's settled, would you like to have a mature debate on economic policies or should we continue claiming the other person doesn't really dislike what they dislike, they actually just dislike niggers.
@AzuAtoms Sorry guy but you have nothing to debate. No tax, no regulation, no social services libertarian fantasies lead directly to oligarchs, warlords, pollution and civil unrest. The best places in the world to live are those that are fairly heavily taxed, well regulated and there are ample social services. You don't have to pick your way over homeless people in the downtowns of socialist countries. That's a unique feature of capitalism. If you don't like sharing via taxes; tough shit.
@Pangolinx1 That's a common misconception with socialists/corporatists. To say "no regulation" as if it means corporations can do absolutely anything they want with no consequence. Well, no, because individuals are already protected under the law as far as property rights go. You can't pollute your neighbor's property. This isn't a regulation, it's a basic law. As for oligarchs, they exist now, even with all your "regulations", because the government has the power and influence to be corrupted.
200,000/month?!? Wow! If I owned a church I'd come back with a 180,000/month offer!! If public tax/bond moneys can go tward public roads that I may never use, why can't public tax/bond moneys go to help the poor and sick?? We can issue bonds that city taxes eventually pay for inorder to build a stadium where football teams can play, but can't use the same process to build a hospital??
I had to go to the emergency room today and thankfully I have madicare. I pay about $100/month for it. They couulf have had something similar available to young people but nobody wanted to let anyone have a "private option." Insurance companies don't want the competition. And more people die and go into debt.
My question is, how did this guy even get treatment without insurance? How is this possible? Then it's all lies about the cost too? Which sounds like a bullshit figure!
scammedbygov 1 month ago
The gentleman in this video simply emphasizes the point Ron Paul has made all along. It is through PERSONAL and WILLING charity that we help those we love who are in need. When it is government mandated then this is called Socialism. It becomes theft. Ron Paul has never said healthcare should be provided in a church. He has said in the past it has been provided by church run hospitals that provided care free-of-charge. The gentleman is using a very transparaent straw man argument.
davidrstarr 1 month ago
Both self and government reliance are fail lol
SLCforLIFE 1 month ago
Ron Paul has noted this even in the debates, I think at least two times - the problem is the government's involvement in the market, as is the case with medicine, and right now there isn't any competition in medicine, therefore, the quality is going down and the price is going up. If there was competition and a free market, because the price for health services would dramatically decrease, it would be a lot easier for people and charities to help others. Right now the prices are insanely high.
CaptainEloquence 1 month ago
it should be a personal choice, i should be able to blame god for me being a lazy, stingy, heartless fuck.
anonismorefun 2 months ago
this guys an AssHat
Ron Paul 2012
1asheepawake1 2 months ago
@1asheepawake1 wRong Paul is too Senile to win, if he doesn't win this time, that senile Jack off will have to hang up his panties!
deeppurple28 1 month ago
@deeppurple28 the only senile people are the ones that are hell bent on starting a war with iran and potentially starting world war3
thats pretty much everyone exept Ron Paul.
1asheepawake1 1 month ago
The evil socialist Nazi Hitler brownshirt Gestapo communist atheistic Marxist big government healthcare system we have in England is the reason my mother and younger brother are still alive with me today despite my parents having been poor during those days. The system isn't perfect, but I'd prefer what I have now than what Americans have atm :(
I don't think I'd want to live in a country where saving lives is dominated by money talk, but I'm an evil commie/socialist/Nazi boy, what do I know?
TurboDally 2 months ago
i know there are tons of people out there (reasonable or not they have a right to their opinion) who DON'T want health reform. so in the end, i would think the whole idea should be left to the states; there are already some with health insurance programs, and some(most) without it.now that america has gotten a taste of health reform, if the people push their states to move on this,it will be done; for those who don't want it, it's better to have the option to change states than change countries.
ingramjones23 2 months ago
This guy thinks money comes from thin air. That the government can keep providing for this flawed program. He needs to re-evaluate what is really going on here. The health care system in this country is one of the largest spending issues that we are dealing with right now, along with overseas spending. RP wants to implement a system where it will phase out of those programs whilst doing limited harm to the people.If we continue on this track, these programs wont phase out, they'll be destroyed
GxXTreme 2 months ago
@GxXTreme
Sooo, because the programs are going to die in the future we should just kill it now? By that logic we should just kill anyone with a terminal illness because they're just going to die anyway, right? Why let them live and leech off the system, right?
terminaldeity 2 months ago
@terminaldeity He's not going to eliminate the program instantly. There will be a transition phase, so like I said, it will do limited harm to the people. If we continue on this track, there will be A LOT more people without health insurance, simply because this economy will cease to afford it. So by your logic, we should just give free health care to the sick right now even though it will destroy the system eventually and leave many, many more people sick without affordable health care.
GxXTreme 2 months ago
@terminaldeity Also, keep in mind that RP will implement a system where you will be able to opt out of medicare or medicaid if you want to (and this will be paid for by immense cuts to unnecessary spending). So uhh, yea this whole conversation is pointless. However, if Obama is re-elected... Don't even start me on how bad Obama care is...
GxXTreme 2 months ago
You used this to push Obama? lol
combatsambonyc 2 months ago
But what was this guy really arguing? If he was concerned about Snyder, why didn't he himself go ahead and donate to pay the bills? He wasn't arguing for the mans life, which was more important.
xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx 2 months ago
@xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx "If he was concerned about Snyder, why didn't he himself go ahead and donate to pay the bills?" This is a typical libertarian straw-man. It's far more efficient for a clearinghouse to redistribute centrally collected funds than it is for individuals to try to help on a case by case basis. His point is that if the system were more inclusive, Snyder would have gotten the care he needed. RP is against that.
evanlongaccount 2 months ago
@evanlongaccount So why didn't he give to a centrally managed fund? What's straw-man about it? Why didn't he personally give to the most efficient way of helping this mans family? How can you be inclusive AND efficient about healthcare for 350 million people? Why don't we take this internationally. How about 7 billion ppl? MY point is that anti-libertarian philosophies don't get to the root of the problem, but beat around the bush and argue costs, not the true moral position, which they taut.
xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx 2 months ago
@xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx Are you really saying that libertarians and others who advocate a privatized system do not argue cost?
evanlongaccount 2 months ago
@evanlongaccount Libertarians argue allowing the freedom for individuals to pursue their own interest's so long as they do not interfere with the freedom of another. Cost benefit analysis of incidental efficiency is part of the economic persuasion, a sort of by-product of this "system," and argue the cost imposed upon by other "systems." It's more of an individual's pursuit of philosophy, imposing restrictions on the government, rather than the other way around. It is more of a moral position
xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx 2 months ago
@xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx National single payer adresses both morals and cost
Health care is a human right and a necessity, introducing the profit motice to it (making a profit off of collecting premiums but denying treatment) is something morally acceptable to the morally myopic libertarians, but to a social democrat it's a question of human life/quality of life
I take both the moral and cost effective option of socialized medicine
dffykvn 2 months ago
@dffykvn If you wonder about how effective Government health care is, go the the VA hospitals and see how much they care about our veterans. The problem comes from the fact that if they can intrude in my life on health care, in order to minimize cost they might take away our right to smoke cigarettes, our ability to engage in dangerous behavior, our right to sit on our asses and not exercise if we want. So if you wish to live as a slave, go right ahead, but don't force your will on me.
xXGoDxiSxdEaDx666Xx 2 months ago
I can look into the eyes of this guy and see the ignorance. He is narrow minded and unintelligent. He has no idea what Ron Paul stands for...he is only afraid.!
FormerDemforRonPaul 3 months ago
God, what an annoying little man. I don't have a problem with roads, or schools, or sick people being taken care of. I HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING MY MONEY STOLEN FROM ME BY A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS CORRUPTLY AND IGNORANTLY MISUSING IT. Hospitals wouldn't cost so damn much without all the government involvement. Funds for education, infrastructure, the poor, sick, or needy (AND EVERYTHING) would be handled so much more efficiently without big government robbing us.
RON PAUL 2012
MrBlazinAzian 3 months ago
@MrBlazinAzian Actually, Paul wants to eliminate the Dept of Education.
evanlongaccount 3 months ago
@evanlongaccount You really need to work on your reading comprehension. Of course he does.
MrBlazinAzian 2 months ago
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@MrBlazinAzian "You really need to work on your reading comprehension." How's that for civility?
evanlongaccount 2 months ago
Self responsibility must be taught to every citizen . America must teach it's children to save 10 percent of their earnings and to rely on themselves.. Do not take the handouts from the slave masters...If this world had a natural disaster , the people must be self reliant and prepared.
freefalable 3 months ago
$400,000.00 for 2 months in a hospital why don't you attack the hospital? I live in Harris County and we have several Catholic Hospitals that pay for the sick and we have a county hospital system that covers the sick and illegals! He should have bought insurance or applyed for assistance to pay for his bill.
TheNova1960 3 months ago
Ron Paul is a stooge for the rich.
MegaChairmanMao 3 months ago
@MegaChairmanMao Ron Paul policies realized across the board would actually empower citezens economicly. If you are going to rely on the government to take care of your health you are likely to die a bitter man. If you paid less taxes because there was less government , inflation was flat because there was a sound currency and free markets could create prospeity and jobs because it was unhindered by government empowered monopolies most people could easily afford health care.
grecorivera941 3 months ago
@grecorivera941 "Free" markets create prosperity for but a few.
evanlongaccount 3 months ago
@evanlongaccount We actually have no idea how well a truly free market would work as we have never had one. The US economy/government is a hodge podge of classifications. We have heavy corporatism influenced by oligarchs who manipulate legislation to protect monopolies and powerful conglomerates as well as central economic planning via control of creating and taxing of our currency with a heavy dose of militarism thrown in to help u boss hog our way into foreign markets. Not a free market!
grecorivera941 2 months ago
@grecorivera941 There's a great degree of coercion implied by the very existence of money and markets. If by free, you mean coercion-free, you won't find it in an unregulated market economy.
evanlongaccount 2 months ago
@evanlongaccount Regulations generally lead to monopolies or massive conglomerates. The government is supposed to be working to protect us from coercion not increase its potency and stealth by legalizing it. The fed is unconstitutional , we should not be paying tax to a private entity to control and manipulate our currency. That is 1 chain and the nearly 51% of all revenue from US taxpayers going to fund military operations that primarily benefit transnational corporations is another chain.
grecorivera941 2 months ago
@grecorivera941 "Regulations generally lead to monopolies or massive conglomerates. " Please demonstrate this in detail.
evanlongaccount 2 months ago
@evanlongaccount He should have said SOME regulations
There ARE anti competative regulations written by big businesses to shut out the little guy
Unfortunately libertariatards have conflated basic things like worker protection and hazardous waste disposal to that stuff.
dffykvn 2 months ago
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@dffykvn "There ARE anti competative regulations written by big businesses to shut out the little guy. Unfortunately libertariatards have conflated basic things like worker protection and hazardous waste disposal to that stuff." I agree.
evanlongaccount 2 months ago
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@evanlongaccount Regulations generally lead to monopolies or massive conglomerates. The government is supposed to be working to protect us from coercion not increase its potency and stealth by legalizing it. The fed is unconstitutional , we should not be paying tax to a private entity to control and manipulate our currency. That is 1 chain and the nearly 51% of all revenue from US taxpayers going to fund military operations that primarily benefit transnational corporations is another chain.
grecorivera941 2 months ago
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@evanlongaccount Regulations generally lead to monopolies or massive conglomerates. The government is supposed to be working to protect us from coercion not increase its potency and stealth by legalizing it. The fed is unconstitutional , we should not be paying tax to a private entity to control and manipulate our currency. That is 1 chain and the nearly 51% of all revenue from US taxpayers going to fund military operations that primarily benefit transnational corporations is another chain.
grecorivera941 2 months ago
@grecorivera941 The fed has is a private entity empowered by a government act to control the issuance of currency that the biggest monopoly of all. Also when regulations are created to deal with various industries function in any phase : price fixing, distribution rights, taxing, ect any regulations that exist can be overlooked for companies who's pockets are deep enough to pay off the right politicians to gain a competitive edge. GE is a big one off the top of my head.
grecorivera941 2 months ago
Kent Snyder had apparently bought into the hype currently strangling this country, and was evidently obsessed with electing a man to run government who would never lift a finger to help him, but who had sworn to uphold the Hippocratic oath when he became a doctor. Life is full of sad irony.
Tradeofjane 3 months ago 2
@Tradeofjane He tried to help him you liar.
ToxinalX 2 months ago
@g777enn no plan but he says he would get rid of the fed, get rid of the drug war,get rid of the irs, sounds like a good start to , me, i hadnt heard about the theil connection though, so do you think he is lying and wouldnt do those things?cause im pretty sure those are all against the bilderberg agenda
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
This guy seriously doesn't have a clue as the real meaning of what Mr. Paul stands for. An obvious distortion to fit the agenda of a socialist .
RDevino0624 3 months ago
@RDevino0624 And nether do you.
Tradeofjane 3 months ago 2
Do you realize how many people could have been saved from cheaper, more treatable things like starvation for $400,000? Does the average joe have any hope of making that much in their entire lives now? There's a simple matter of diminishing returns and opportunity costs here - that kind of money simply isn't worth paying for anyone.
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VeeDubz420 4 months ago
why dont you commi bitches stop crying about health care and free shit and stop eating shit and take care of yourself, stop eating junk and sucking dick and you wont die ,
AlienUFOEncounters 4 months ago
Ron Paul is funded by Steve Thiel a Bilderberger. He's got no plan to stop corporate rule of the USA. No plan to rein in banks. No plan to ameliorate unemployment with a works program. No plan to put the USA back in first place. He defends the Pope and the Vatican. He's a Freemason...
g777enn 4 months ago
@g777enn well if he is hes got the best track record of all of them , every last one is a tool and they only allow you to be presedent if your a top trusted tool of the zionist jews who created the illuminati . were wAS RON PAUL ? WHERE WERE YOU ? STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT ASS COMMI FUCKS, GO SUCK SOME MORE DICK AND CRY ABOUT HAVING AIDS AND NO FREE MEDICAL
AlienUFOEncounters 4 months ago
what about personal responsibility? mr. snyder made his own decision whether or not to purchase insurance. we all suffer to some degree when we make unwise decisions, but that certainly doesn't mean we have any claim on other people's money to pay for the expenses resulting from him making that decision. the cost of medical care has been much much higher than it needs to be ever since government intervention and entitlements.
nonrepublicrat 4 months ago
Obviously another Obummer lover wantin to poo poo on the only honest person in DC.
shotgunsusie 4 months ago
lol this is a radio show? Never heard of it and this guys has no talent.
sell your equipment and bail out while you can man, your annoying, you sound like a pastor at a church the way you pause and yell pause and yell, just stfu.
thanks.
420Rza 4 months ago
Wow....what an idiot. So he things we should do what with our taxes? Pay for everyones medical? So nobody suffers? How about a trillion dollar stimulus that went up missing? Thats ok isnt it. Lets make more money we dont have. If we brought home ALL troops from every country in the world, we could afford medial for free for every american. Period........Stop the war machine
ateamofone 4 months ago
you are a complete idiot that doesn't really understand the issue here!!!! its not to say that health care in some form of "freeness" shouldn't exist!!!! its to say that government subsidies and or involvement are nothing but damning to these institutions!!!! so get your facts straight and then speak..... unless you're just another worthless sell out media actor???
rollingwaters 4 months ago
Who gave this dickhead a microphone and a radio show?! What is he insinuating anyways? That it is somehow Ron Paul's fault that this guy chose not to have health insurance(if he even had a choice at all as it is possible he had a pre-existing condition)? Furthermore $400,000 for a two month hospital stay?! I suppose Ron Paul is to blame for the inflation of health care costs as well? For all we know this could be a case of HCAP (Health Care Acquired Pneumonia) where the facility is responsible!
jedmondson67 4 months ago
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watisityo 4 months ago
400,000 for pneumoniua...my grandfather didnt have this much to pay with cancer for months and has now been dead for 9 years....insurance is all a joke anyway...how can people not see it....insurance can NEVER work properly...u cant expect to pay a few hundred or whatever a month and then claim THOUSANDS...insurance gets a million dollars but then has to pay out 2 million...can u people not get this simple concept...i dont know why no1 thinks of this little fact...can u say bailout
pawel2003 5 months ago
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pawel2003 5 months ago
This isn't accurate at all. You are OMITTING (on purpose?) that Ron Paul's stance and solution for health care is aimed at *making health are affordable* again. He's for breaking the backs of the monopolies that have driven health care costs through the roof for people like you and me. That's a far more salient and relevant point that the distorted view you are presenting of Congressman Paul.
hanseric245 5 months ago
@hanseric245 Yeah, the the possibly cheapest hospitals you can EVER get are those who are non profit. Those who are NOT ran for the sake of making money. Anyone who has studied state science can tell you that hospitals are NOT cheaper when exposed to the free market. And monopolies still exist. Its not like monopolies just go away because of the competition.
gulbirk 4 months ago
@hanseric245 Well said bro, that's the point many people just dont get.
mcufre 3 months ago
what an utterly poor analysis. you should be ashamed for trying to make such a cheap point on the death of a person. whats worse is that you have shown a total lack of understanding of what Ron Paul says and believes about this issue. you make me sick.
DrPuddingpops 5 months ago
Whatever happened to the individual's responsibility to themselves and their own self-interests and their own wellbeing? All this liberal nonsense about how "society" is always responsible for every individual's poor decisions. You're responsible for your own life; sound financial planning includes your healthcare options, your life insurance coverage, and your post-life estate planning (ie. life insurance). It's your life, YOU take care of it.
calebmallen 5 months ago
Sam is such a liar . He conveniently forgets to mention the guy was a homosexual that died from his own actions .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 - HankieSnot, it's clear you have a big ol' boner for gays. Here's a news flash - the majority of health problems in this country are directly due to people's actions, whether drinking, smoking, doing drugs, overeating, eating crappy food, not exercising, driving, playing sports, etc.. But apparently, you only want one select group of people to die - the ones you don't like. You still haven't addressed how you'd handle the 3,000 or so HIV+ kids who made the bad choice to be born.
47f0 5 months ago
@47f0 Its interesting that you bring up the negative behavior of smoking drinking /alcoholisim and drugs as these behaviors are a minimum of 100 % higher in homosexuals . We treat all children that are ill the same your question is one of a buffoon .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 - So, are you saying we only treat straight alcoholics, or...? You're not being very consistent here. So you'd treat the kids. Congratulations on developing a shred of humanity. How about their moms? Some of the moms were hookers - or IV drug users. Some of them just had the bad luck to have husbands that screwed around on them. How do you sort them out?
47f0 5 months ago
@47f0 I'm being 100% consistant . If you are a alcoholic you go behind normal people for a liver transplant . If you ar e a smoker you go behind normal people for a lung transplant . If you are a IV drug user or part of a promiscuous group we have spent billions on warning of their behavior you should not get the same care as people that were and are responsible. You sure shouldn't be ahead of children .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@47f0 - So is the Mom with HIV a hooker - a drug user - or did she just sleep with her husband who fooled around on her? Who gets to play god and make that call?
47f0 5 months ago
These type of idiots simply don't understand the concept liberty.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Guess who?
DrRonPaul 5 months ago
It's not enough to say "Vote Ron Paul"
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JJbones88 5 months ago
Dude you are really reaching.. Nobody is going to fall for that :). Vote for Ron Paul 2012
mmmarksphone 5 months ago
What an incredibly ignorant video, so whos your candidate?
TheDebtAssassins 5 months ago
@TheDebtAssassins vote Dick Hurting 2016
MrViTopol 5 months ago
128 people hate the Constitution.
raceyblood 5 months ago
so what is to do? Obamacare?.. please.. or pay for a $300 a month insurance so in the end they can only pay for 20% of the bill and thats by nagging at them. and first of all where am i going to get $300 if i am paying my bills paycheck to paycheck. healthcare should be a right! none of the assholes on those podiums will give it to us they would lose to much money if they were to give us healthcare, Except................. Ron Paul really look at what he is saying not highlights on tv... Idiots!
davebombers 5 months ago
@davebombers You have a right to your liberty and a right to your life, but you do not have the "right" to things, goods, or services, unless it is your own private property.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms Nope. We are governed by laws created by Congress within the bounds of the Constitution. There are more than a few laws that say the government can take everything you have if some condition set is met.
If the law says pay a tax that tax is no longer your "private property." What you are allowed as private property also is strictly defined and enforced by law. There are many things you cannot legally own.
Reality, do try and catch up.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 I'm aware of how Congress and taxes work. Not everything you own is considered "private property" (money taxed), but you have a right to what IS considered your private property. And the Fifth Amendment does state "...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.", for what it's worth. But this is mostly irrelevant. My point was that you don't have a "right" to "things", unless it's yours, i.e. what you've paid for, e.g. private insurance.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms Do you dispute that established law allows the Congress to tax you to provide a benefit for others: Medicare, farm subsidies, flood insurance, that you may not directly share in?
There is no law in physics that applies to anything about health care or even money. The laws of the U.S., however, certainly allow the government to dip into your pocket. T.S. buddy. Your libertarian fantasies don't wash in the real world.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 Obviously I don't dispute that they occur, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. A "right" is not only defined as a legal entitlement, but also a moral entitlement. People are communist in the United States and their view of how things should work are even less like how things are currently run, but that doesn't make them not communists because of it. I'll ask you this; of every dollar that you earn, how much of it do you deserve to keep?
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms Ah, yes. The great failure of Communist United States where we have millions of homeless people including whole families of homeless and we imprison a greater percentage of our population than any government in the world. All so WalMart can treat minimum wage employees like shit.
Do you EVER intersect with reality at all? Ever? Only in the U.S. would anybody ever describe the current U.S. system as "communist." Everybody else thinks we're flirting with fascism.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 Oy vey. I didn't say anything about the United Sates being a communist country. I said individuals in the country are communists. A friend of mine in particular calls himself a "Marxist". Most of my politically active friends consider themselves "democratic socialists". Ironic that you're the one claiming people on here have reading comprehension issues.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
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AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms - Azu, here's where you guys fail. You conflate optional goods, services, etc. with very non-optional medical treatment. By your argument, we should absolutely let children die of starvation - they have no right to food, after all, because it's not in the Constitution. You have a choice to buy a big-screen TV or not. You have a choice to buy a car or not. When your appendix bursts, your choices are narrow, and in the U.S., punitive.
47f0 5 months ago
@47f0 I'm absolutely NOT saying we should let children die of starvation. "We" meaning society. "Government" (a few hundred people in congress and the white house) is not society, it's a handful fat cats that decide who pays for what and what gets paid for. If your appendix bursts, you would be treated. Without so much government interference, the child's insurance would be much cheaper, but even if his parents still could not afford it, their medical bills wouldn't be through the roof either.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms - remarkable. You just totally walked around the concept that health care might be a little more fundamental, a little less optional than a new microwave. It's not your typical "goods and services" line item. But seriously - why not let children starve in the streets? I can't find "food" anywhere in the Constitution, and we all know if you can't quote in in the Constitution, it shouldn't exist. See, the problem with "we as society" is that "we" used to let people starve - not good.
47f0 5 months ago
@47f0 If YOU want to help children from starving, then YOU do something about it. The people. Not a few politicians and bureaucrats. The constitution is a limit on the federal government, not the people, and not local government for that matter. Do you think people still don't starve, with all your government utopia? Do you think people in the soviet union didn't starve? China under Mao? The same government that has the ability to feed and take care of all the people can also starve the people.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms - well, Azu, you big cuddly sociopathic twit, what you're talking about is the lovely days of Dickens. When people starved in the streets. Were there charitable individuals? Absolutely. But there were many uncharitable individuals. "Are there no prisons, no poorhouses?" See, you selfish assholes work on the premise that you don't want a nickel taken from you to support any disadvantaged- but you sooth your stunted conscience by pretending the next guy will.
47f0 5 months ago
@47f0 I realize this is YouTube, but are any of you even attempting to act like adults? Actually, I have no problem giving to private charity. I meant "you" as individuals. You're a fool if you think the federal government won't use any of your money for much less well-intentioned ventures, like invading more countries. At least if it were left to the state level, you wouldn't have Massachusetts using our money to invade Iran. That's among the reasons socialist programs are better suited locally
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms - Oooh, goody. States rights. Where some states still get to have slaves, because, after all, it's not in the purview of the Federal government to ensure equal access to citizenship. And, hey, if Georgia wants to import a shitload of Mexican children to work the fields for pennies a day, that's just states rights and the free market at work, right?
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Look. It's clearly in the domain of the Fed Govt. to establish certain minimums - if your state wants to add more, go for it.
47f0 5 months ago
@47f0 To think something like murder, rape, enslavement, child prostitution, etc. would ever be legalized at any level is so beyond reality. But I do agree that these sort of things might as well be at the fderal level. We just disagree on what other things they should be the boss of. Remember that the USA and many other major countries had legal slavery only a century or two ago, so you can't think the chance of a state legalizing something like that to be all that more likely than the federal.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
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47f0 5 months ago
With a free market in healthcare he wouldn't have had $400,000.00 worth of medical bills.
KenMacMillan 5 months ago
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@KenMacMillan - "With a free market in healthcare he wouldn't have had $400,000.00 worth of medical bills"
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Man, you are so right. See, in a free market, you can't force businesses to take unprofitable customers. So his medical bills would have been exactly $0 as he died in the streets. Isn't the free market wonderful?
47f0 5 months ago
you sir talk slower than a retard!!.... perhaps you need a fundraiser to give you a brain transplant
PhilippoChannel 5 months ago
This was a homosexual that died of his own irresponsible behavior but of course Sam won't mention that because he is dishonest .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 Ooh, goody. Do we get to leave motorcyclists lying on the side of the road after a crash or do we lift burning cars off of them and make sure they get medical care.
Because in Ron Paul world if you're an idiot we just laugh and watch you die. That goes for parents who buy trampolines for their kids, and ATVs and gun "accidents" and ski-boat "accidents" and kayakers and mountain climbers, any athlete with heat stroke, broken limbs, spinal injuries. Let them die.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 No we spend ( the tax payer) upwards of half a million dollars to save them just like we did for this guy but we hope someone /his estate will pay for his irresponsible behavior . If you tell your insurance agent that you are an avid mountain climber . competitive skier etc they have a special rate for you . Last year 17 skiers and 7 mountain climbers died in America . Over 50 thousand people died of AIDS with the leading cause being irresponsible homosexual sex as the cause .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 "Over 50 thousand people died of AIDS with the leading cause being irresponsible homosexual sex as the cause."_hanksnow82. Because heterosexual sex is ALWAYS responsible and ALWAYS results in stable relationships, healthy children and responsible parents; right? Oh, shit no. It's a goddamn minefield and not the least of it is closeted gay people bullied into pretending to be straight.
You want a real killer: sugar. Without refined sugars in the diet Type II diabetes rates dive.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 Let me add that you, sir, are a ghoulish, asshole to be dancing on the graves of AIDS victims so as to play internet tough guy. A fat percentage of those victims were women and children infected by husbands, partners, parents or medical procedures. The AIDS virus does not care if the sex is male-male or male-female; it's a virus. Globally most AIDS cases come from straight sex.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 According to the CDC the # 1 cause of AIDS is irresponsible homosexual behavior . deal with it .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 Worldwide? Nope. AIDS is a virus and you're use of other people's suffering to demonize them makes you exactly the kind of heartless asshole that people accuse liebertarians of being.
It isn't that God hates gays anymore than wild rainstorms mean God hates Nashville or drought means God hates Texas. It's YOU that is full of hate and use religion as a smoke screen. When it comes right down to it you're a bunch of heartless bastards that are all take and no give.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 I said America not world wide
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 What? Viruses work differently in America? We get our own laws of chemistry or physics? AIDS was never spread by straight sex in the U.S.?
Or maybe, you're just a fucking bigot that thinks it's OK to blame the obvious failure of Ron Paul's bullshit ideas on somebodies sexuality. Because the outcome wouldn't have mattered one bit if the guy had hepatitis from straight sex and needed a liver transplant. Or cancer. Or diabetes. The failure would have been the same.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 According to the World Health Association transmission factors for HIV /AIDS very greatly depending on region . This guys own Irresponsible homosexual behavior caused his death . Deal with it .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 Still dancing on graves huh? Only behavior that YOU don't like is "irresponsible" and deserving of painful death. Having a little trouble with that God delusion are you? It's ok, you can go to meetings where there are other people with god delusions like you. They call them....
Tea Parties. Where you can get all your teabagging in and go home to a nice evening of self-loathing.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 I'm an atheist libertarian and i can't dance .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 Oh, if you're looking for death panels. Go find a mirror asshole.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 How about just be responsible for yourself ?
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 What you really mean is that you're willing to take what you need from the general social services but refuse others what THEY need. No human, ever, has been entirely responsible for themselves over the course of their lives. You are born into a culture, raised by a culture, and whatever your absences may be you will return to a culture that gives you far more than you can ever return.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 thats why the founders gave us a republic to be free and let the government protect us from invaders. just read the constitution, i truly believe freedom can work if society is ready for it.
jayco360 5 months ago
@jayco360 The preamble to the U.S. Constitution: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
"promote the general Welfare..."
Reading comprehension; always a problem for conservatives.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 promote doesn't mean provide
Promote: Further the progress of ...
promote's Synonyms: advance, elevate, raise, upgrade
provide: Make available for use; supply. Present or yield .
synonyms: supply, furnish, purvey, stock, equip
ramjetross 5 months ago
@ramjetross It doesn't forbid provision either. Actually I don't see how this argument gets you off the general understanding that libertarianism is simply an expanded expression of... "I've got mine fuck you!" Ron Paul certainly had access to the finest healthcare that Uncle Sam could provide but neglected that little detail for his immediate staff. Hey, he already has his share; what else mattered, right?
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 Your right that no human is entirely responsible for themselves over the course of their lives and we all must deal with the consequences of that . What you want is for there to be no consequences .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 No what I want is for access to health care to be decided by something more than a popularity contest down at the local church's charity committee. A provision that was notable for it's massive failure in the not-too-distant past.
Basic physics and biology provide consequences enough. There's no need to increase suffering by neglecting to provide basic health care where it would be otherwise available.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
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@Pangolinx1 You want someone else to pay for you to access to health care . I don't know what church's charity committee's have to do with anything as the health care i get is totally secular . With a $400,000 outstanding health care bill i would say this man got far more then basic health care at the tax payers expense since he was in a state hospital .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 rep up those wieners cos ur sure hungry for one. BUTTSORE SADWITCH!
first place in ass bergers
first place in faggorty
first place in getting OWNED BY ME
last place in penids size
CAN U B ANNY MORE ANAL HURT RIGHT NOW?
confratulasons u are the new WORLD BUTTHURTED CHAMPION
"i like to eat daddy's steamy logs of poop 4 lunch n dinner while jacking of to nautro" -you
ramjetross 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 This is a homophobic asshat that thinks homosexuals deserve to die for doing the same things heterosexuals do.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 No , i think people should have to be reponsible for their own behavior and you don't .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 That's no ordinary moral stick up your ass is it? You've got some sort of ironwood, laser inscribed with proscriptions from the old testament about not mixing fibers in thread, no eating vultures or rabbits, and about how adulterers should be stoned. When exactly was the last time you stoned an adulterer?
Wait, were you the atheist downthread? Then it would just be a nice smooth stick because you're afraid of your attraction to cocks.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 Yes i'm still an atheist so that anti god crap you usually go with won't fly here . Once i see guys like you quit even trying to make an arguement and just go 100% for the ad hominems , i know ive won the arguement . lol that was easy .
hanksnow82 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 So what's it like to live in a hall of mirrors? As far as I can tell you consider yourself to be the only valid moral authority. "Mine" to be the only needed moral justification for greed. Yet by your very use of this medium you prove you're willing to take from others.
You're taking but not giving. What does that make you?
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@hanksnow82 You take but don't give. What does that make you?
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
Really there is no evil that Ron Paul and his LIEbertarians will not excuse as long as it makes profits for themselves or some corporation. They want government out of the way so they can loot the rest of us freely.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 "They want government out of the way so they can loot the rest of us freely."
This is the most ignorant statement I ever heard. And you apparently wnt government in the way so they can loot the people in the name of big corporations. Remember the bailouts? Thy took American taxpayer money and gve i to big banks, bot foreign and domestic. And they're still doing it.
Do you even realize just how stupid you sound?
mickeysears 5 months ago
@mickeysears There's a huge difference between reforming government and eliminating it. In the first case you get something that looks like the Netherlands in the second you get Somalia. Guess which side the Ron Paul kooks are on?
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
Wake up uninformed pseudo-libertarians. Single-payer is the only moral health insurance. Under Paul's "free" market plan, you would be FORCED to choose between being a debt slave to health insurance companies or dying. Not only that, single-payer is heck of a lot cheaper. Healthcare should not be a businesses, lining the pockets of CEO's by denying healthcare.
Vote3rdParty 5 months ago 4
@Vote3rdParty Not to mention they also want to shove a Bible up all our asses.
Homer177 5 months ago 2
@Homer177 Poor you...
TheConnorBerge 5 months ago
mickeysears 5 months ago
@mickeysears - Do you have no comprehension of what single-payer is? It only eliminated the insurance companies, because the government become the insurer. All those things you mentioned stay the same.
Vote3rdParty 5 months ago
@Vote3rdParty I know exactly what single payer is. It's a scam perpetrated by business interests to get taxpayers to foot the bills for medical care that private companies could never get away with in a free market economy. Government and big business partner at the expense of tax payers. Given enough incentive (bribes), politicians will always allow the highest prices instead of the lowest with competition. Look at education and the military to see what will happen with healthcare costs.
mickeysears 5 months ago
@Vote3rdParty Besides if all those other companies can make a profit then you're saying you just don't want insurance companies making a profit. That's a different statement than what you made. But then why just stop at healthcare insurance? In your mind, why should insurance companies make a profit in life insurance? If they can't make a profit in health, they certainly shouldn't make a profit in death, right? Why aren't you advocating taxpayers pay extra and let government pay when people die?
mickeysears 5 months ago
@Vote3rdParty How about homeowners or renters insurance? Why let insurance companies make a profit over disasters? You should be advocating that taxpayers pay extra to cover everyone so if there house burns down or they get flooded or hurricanes the government should foot the bill. What about auto insurance? Why should insurance companies make money accidentally? What about insuring peoples stuff against theft. Why should insurance companies make money off of crime?
mickeysears 5 months ago
@Vote3rdParty It just doesn't make sense to me that you should be so against an insurance company making a profit from the health but the drug companies can rape us and you say nothing. American hospitals charge $50K for an operation that you can get in Taiwan for $7K and you say nothing. That has nothing to do with insurance companies but you want them to pay those exorbitant bills without question. Do you demand the best care or the most cost efficient? But you want someone else to pay for it.
mickeysears 5 months ago
@mickeysears - You realize that when the government directly bargains with drug companies it brings down the cost? This has been proven in other countries with socialistic healthcare plans. Socialized plans also eliminate the immoral CEO bureaucracy that lines their pocket by denying healthcare (death panels). France ranks number 1 for healthcare and the U.S. is number 37. We simply need to copy their healthcare system. You pay for other people's healthcare already in a private system.
Vote3rdParty 5 months ago
@Vote3rdParty
In that ideal government of his you also wouldn't pay any income tax so... I think you'd definitely have enough extra for those insurance premiums...
SergeantPepper99 5 months ago
@SergeantPepper99 - There's a tax you're forgetting out, and that's the inherent theft of the free market. The free market entails a private bureaucrat between you and the market, reaping the profit of your labor. That's why the government taxes the rich more, to get our STOLEN money back. So maybe if we abolished the free market people could afford healthcare? But I tend to be anti-deficit, so I support the cheaper single-payer system.
Vote3rdParty 5 months ago
@Vote3rdParty You are sadly misinformed my friend.How can you justify theft from one person whether rich or poor to give to another person whether rich or poor?Use some sense and see that we dont have free market health care and are a whole lot closer to your single payer then free market.it was only once the government started intervening in the industry that prices went wild.Insurance has been inflated by the govt and would only play a minor role in the doctor patient relationship in a FM
funkysnarf 5 months ago
@funkysnarf - So your arguing if someone robs you they should be able to keep the stolen goods and if the government dare give you back your stolen wealth that's tyranny? You clearly are not living in reality. We're no where close to a single-payer system. We have mandated private health insurance, not a government insurance plan.
Please explain how the HUGE free market healthcare costs are from the government? France pays less per capita on healthcare than the U.S. So does Canada.
Vote3rdParty 5 months ago
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Vote3rdParty 5 months ago
@Vote3rdParty That word, libertarian, has been utterly destroyed by these economic social darwinists. What that word used to mean, and what it means today, are two very different things. In Europe, Libertarianism was synonymous with socialism and workers rights
Laughingblades 5 months ago 8
@Laughingblades Europeans bastardized the definition of libertarianism.
Aryaba 3 months ago
@Aryaba lol
Laughingblades 3 months ago
@Laughingblades Now it is called democratic socialism.
ToxinalX 2 months ago
He couldn't afford insurance because the cost is driven up by Government interference. The hospital bill was so high because the cost is driven up by Government interference. More Government bureaucracy and interference should definitely be the solution! He received the same care as anyone with insurance, so the fact that he died is irrelevant, but nice job exploiting Kent Snyder's death, fucking asshole.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms Da Paulites be saying "IT'S ALL DA GUBMINT'S FAULT!!!" The song never changes no matter what's going on. Everything is the governments fault and rich oligarchs and corporations bear no responsibility.
Sorry, folks. Reality doesn't work like that.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 A corporation has no motive other than to make money, stop expecting anything otherwise. They're free to do as they please as long as it does not harm others. The fact that their prices are so high is not because they're putting people's well-being at the expense, they have to have such high prices because of the the cost to THEM due to Government regulation, mandates, licensing, etc. If their prices weren't high, they'd go out of business.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms Corporations have special license to harm others. Look at BP/Deepwater Horizon oil spill. If an individual had killed that many people and caused that much damage by tossing a match in some dry brush they'd be facing multiple life terms in prison. When a corporation kills people and ruins tens of thousands of livelihoods and makes more tens of thousands ill they pay a tiny fraction of their profits in fines.
Corporations are evil. Full stop.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago 2
@Pangolinx1 I'm absolutely not arguing that Tony Hayward and everyone else responsible for the explosion and oil spill should be serving time in prison. The reason they aren't is because they're hiding behind the Government regulations that they're attempting to claim they followed. Government is not what caused the oil spill, but they're enablers all the same.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms_Dude_ There is no daylight whatsoever between you and the old man sitting on their own rickety porches looking at their own weedy grass turn brown and muttering "it's all the niggers fault." You just replace the word "government" for "niggers."
Pangolinx1 5 months ago 2
@Pangolinx1 Lol... First of all, you have your "stereotypical evil old man" mixed up. They "hate" niggers, they "blame everything on" the Jews. Second, I'm for economic liberty AND social liberty, so no, I don't treat any person other than an individual. There, now that that's settled, would you like to have a mature debate on economic policies or should we continue claiming the other person doesn't really dislike what they dislike, they actually just dislike niggers.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
@AzuAtoms Sorry guy but you have nothing to debate. No tax, no regulation, no social services libertarian fantasies lead directly to oligarchs, warlords, pollution and civil unrest. The best places in the world to live are those that are fairly heavily taxed, well regulated and there are ample social services. You don't have to pick your way over homeless people in the downtowns of socialist countries. That's a unique feature of capitalism. If you don't like sharing via taxes; tough shit.
Pangolinx1 5 months ago
@Pangolinx1 That's a common misconception with socialists/corporatists. To say "no regulation" as if it means corporations can do absolutely anything they want with no consequence. Well, no, because individuals are already protected under the law as far as property rights go. You can't pollute your neighbor's property. This isn't a regulation, it's a basic law. As for oligarchs, they exist now, even with all your "regulations", because the government has the power and influence to be corrupted.
AzuAtoms 5 months ago
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AzuAtoms 5 months ago
200,000/month?!? Wow! If I owned a church I'd come back with a 180,000/month offer!! If public tax/bond moneys can go tward public roads that I may never use, why can't public tax/bond moneys go to help the poor and sick?? We can issue bonds that city taxes eventually pay for inorder to build a stadium where football teams can play, but can't use the same process to build a hospital??
wwood14 5 months ago
I had to go to the emergency room today and thankfully I have madicare. I pay about $100/month for it. They couulf have had something similar available to young people but nobody wanted to let anyone have a "private option." Insurance companies don't want the competition. And more people die and go into debt.
melora72 5 months ago