I agree an electronic of that magnitude should rise in value quite significantly, however I believe this video is addressing the issue of smaller electronics such as cell phones which only use grams of Silver not ounces. I saw in a different video that China will be a major factor in the rise of Ag due to the demand for consumer electronics and the lifestyle the population will want to be accustomed to.
Two problems with the argument of inelasticity: First, the price of silver *does* influence the cost of electronics. Take a plasma TV for example. On average, a TV has 1 oz. of silver. At $35/oz, that's 5% of a $700 TV. If silver hits $1000, as I fully expect it to, that would drive that same TV from $700 to $1665. See what I mean? Second, at $1000/oz, silver would no longer be mined as a byproduct of base metal production - the base metals would become the byproduct of silver mining. Thoughts?
@tradergee1 Well, gold's primary function is as money, so a very high price could make the central banks look for an alternative. As far as supply goes, there are many gold mines that are able to ramp up production to meet the higher price, but the vast amount of gold held would be little impacted. So gold would be fairly inelastic, but nothing like silver
While supply and industrial demand is inelastic, the factor to observe is investment demand. This is essentially what determines the price. Supply and industrial demand doesn't have to change as price moves, merely investment demand.
A person who works as a financial adviser recently said to me that he felt the rise in the price of silver was due to 'silver bugs' stocking up on silver thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and this would probably cause a price collapse before stabilizing again. I haven't accepted that however it could be a possibility.
How much of a factor is that in the current overall rise in the price of silver ?
Is silver used in any commercially significant alloys outside of electronics ?
@acuriousbeast 99% of Financal advisors have no clue. They have ZERO education in metals history, fundamentals, or currency cause and effect. The FA to stock up on the US dollar....
@apelove4u I stopped mentioning silver to him along time ago and was surprised 'silver' came up including 'silver gurus'.
There was a full page ad today that let locals know that the Ohio Gold and Silver Refinery was setting up a 'satellite' refinery here for 5 days. 'It's a good time to sell', 'a shot in the arm of the local economy', 'turn unwanted precious metals into cash' and 'we also buy guns and antiques' were phrases used. It was written like news articles by the paper. Same fonts, etc.
@acuriousbeast Managing to put all this information together and then putting in a format that is so understandable is really impressive. You're doing a lot of people a big service. I plan on showing these next time I have a group over. You do a lot better at explaining things than I ever could, as you know. Thank you.
interesting, I did not know silver was a byproduct of the mining of other base metals. Do you have a rough estimate of what that "much much much higher" price will be (the point where it is mined more)
This was strange. If the demand curve is horizontal, meaning no price elasticity, that means that even with big shifts in the supply curve prices would change relatively little compared to supply. However, what we see is great volatility in the market, suggesting otherwise. This analysis fails to differentitate between industrial and investment demand. While there may be little elasticity in industrial demand, the curves for investements might have very different characteristics.
@DiggingNorway So the aggregated demand curve consists of ca 50% investmend demand, and 50% industrial demand (Silver inst. World Silver survey 2010). The price increase of silver is explained by increase in investment demand, industrial demand fell 08-09. The elasticity of investement demand may have very different charactheristics that the industrial demand curve. As substitution and marginal willingness to pay are different. Thus industrial elasticity is not = investement elasticity.
@BrotherJohnF and your sources is....? dont want be a pain in the ass, but.... according to my sources (silver survey 2010) quote: " Last year...53% intra-gain year...investors flocking...indeed without this support, it is likely that the silver price would have taken a rather fifferent course, given the severe slump in ind. demand" (p.6)
(ofcourse 08 was abd year for ind. D, but.. we cannot use the same priceleasticity for ind. D, for agg D. That is my simple point.
All of these series are simply fantastic so easy to understand and so well put you have done a truly remarkable job.
onlyafool1611 6 months ago
silver was $28 when this was made. now $41
capgains 6 months ago
A cell phone uses around .28 grams please correct me if I'm wrong thanks
001MeTaBoLiC100 7 months ago
I agree an electronic of that magnitude should rise in value quite significantly, however I believe this video is addressing the issue of smaller electronics such as cell phones which only use grams of Silver not ounces. I saw in a different video that China will be a major factor in the rise of Ag due to the demand for consumer electronics and the lifestyle the population will want to be accustomed to.
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Two problems with the argument of inelasticity: First, the price of silver *does* influence the cost of electronics. Take a plasma TV for example. On average, a TV has 1 oz. of silver. At $35/oz, that's 5% of a $700 TV. If silver hits $1000, as I fully expect it to, that would drive that same TV from $700 to $1665. See what I mean? Second, at $1000/oz, silver would no longer be mined as a byproduct of base metal production - the base metals would become the byproduct of silver mining. Thoughts?
lucaspoznanski4322 8 months ago
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lucaspoznanski4322 8 months ago
@TOCEO any 101 microeconomics textbook at undergraduate level will explain this... visit a library :)
DiggingNorway 1 year ago
How does Gold compare to Silver as far as elastic supply and demand?
tradergee1 1 year ago
@tradergee1 Well, gold's primary function is as money, so a very high price could make the central banks look for an alternative. As far as supply goes, there are many gold mines that are able to ramp up production to meet the higher price, but the vast amount of gold held would be little impacted. So gold would be fairly inelastic, but nothing like silver
BrotherJohnF 1 year ago
@BrotherJohnF Thanks!
tradergee1 1 year ago
While supply and industrial demand is inelastic, the factor to observe is investment demand. This is essentially what determines the price. Supply and industrial demand doesn't have to change as price moves, merely investment demand.
bohmaniac 1 year ago
A person who works as a financial adviser recently said to me that he felt the rise in the price of silver was due to 'silver bugs' stocking up on silver thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and this would probably cause a price collapse before stabilizing again. I haven't accepted that however it could be a possibility.
How much of a factor is that in the current overall rise in the price of silver ?
Is silver used in any commercially significant alloys outside of electronics ?
acuriousbeast 1 year ago 2
@acuriousbeast 99% of Financal advisors have no clue. They have ZERO education in metals history, fundamentals, or currency cause and effect. The FA to stock up on the US dollar....
apelove4u 1 year ago
@apelove4u I stopped mentioning silver to him along time ago and was surprised 'silver' came up including 'silver gurus'.
There was a full page ad today that let locals know that the Ohio Gold and Silver Refinery was setting up a 'satellite' refinery here for 5 days. 'It's a good time to sell', 'a shot in the arm of the local economy', 'turn unwanted precious metals into cash' and 'we also buy guns and antiques' were phrases used. It was written like news articles by the paper. Same fonts, etc.
acuriousbeast 1 year ago
I enjoy the office series, keep up the good work and keep stacking
tgpdlp1 1 year ago 2
@tgpdlp1 TY
BrotherJohnF 1 year ago
I never heard this before. It's something to think about.
Do you make these yourself?
acuriousbeast 1 year ago
@acuriousbeast yes and yes
BrotherJohnF 1 year ago
@acuriousbeast Managing to put all this information together and then putting in a format that is so understandable is really impressive. You're doing a lot of people a big service. I plan on showing these next time I have a group over. You do a lot better at explaining things than I ever could, as you know. Thank you.
acuriousbeast 1 year ago
Silver is a healer too. Get some Get some! Thanks for the info packed lesson!
Oh ,and I love raw milk! :)
MoMark2011 1 year ago
@MoMark2011 yup, thx
BrotherJohnF 1 year ago
He should ask her out its part 7..... she keeps coming back for more.. lol
momentous11 1 year ago
interesting, I did not know silver was a byproduct of the mining of other base metals. Do you have a rough estimate of what that "much much much higher" price will be (the point where it is mined more)
10iggi01 1 year ago
@10iggi01 Silver is usually a byproduct of copper and zinc mining, there may be others but I'm not sure on that one.
acuriousbeast 1 year ago
This was strange. If the demand curve is horizontal, meaning no price elasticity, that means that even with big shifts in the supply curve prices would change relatively little compared to supply. However, what we see is great volatility in the market, suggesting otherwise. This analysis fails to differentitate between industrial and investment demand. While there may be little elasticity in industrial demand, the curves for investements might have very different characteristics.
DiggingNorway 1 year ago
@DiggingNorway So the aggregated demand curve consists of ca 50% investmend demand, and 50% industrial demand (Silver inst. World Silver survey 2010). The price increase of silver is explained by increase in investment demand, industrial demand fell 08-09. The elasticity of investement demand may have very different charactheristics that the industrial demand curve. As substitution and marginal willingness to pay are different. Thus industrial elasticity is not = investement elasticity.
DiggingNorway 1 year ago
@DiggingNorway Investment demand is still a small percentage of the 850 million ounces used every year
BrotherJohnF 1 year ago
@BrotherJohnF and your sources is....? dont want be a pain in the ass, but.... according to my sources (silver survey 2010) quote: " Last year...53% intra-gain year...investors flocking...indeed without this support, it is likely that the silver price would have taken a rather fifferent course, given the severe slump in ind. demand" (p.6)
(ofcourse 08 was abd year for ind. D, but.. we cannot use the same priceleasticity for ind. D, for agg D. That is my simple point.
DiggingNorway 1 year ago
In theory, what he is saying is 100% correct. Lets hopes it works out that way.
steddy91 1 year ago
Excellent explanation, thank you for making this.
JDLindskog 1 year ago
there's milk in the water cooler!
kellerj0 1 year ago 13
@kellerj0 nice catch...:)
kingcherub 1 year ago
@kellerj0 There's also a cat in the microwave. You be able to see it if it was open.
CelticReject 1 year ago
@kellerj0 That is not milk. It is colloidal silver.
apelove4u 1 year ago