That is just kind of creepy.I agree with the fact that the point of this is not the wax or make-up, but that the body should have been dust. Nothing left after 30 years of being buried. Her rosary and other things showed signs of decay or time passing, but her body did not. There was no smell to her dead body either. Are there any other bodies like this? Non-saints? I mean I'd like to know if this happens to non-believers or 'regular' people. Good video, Thank you.
@angy47777 There are about 200 incorrupt bodies of Catholic Saints. In Paris you will find those of St Catherine Laboure, St Vincent de Paul. There are also incorrupt bodies in America. What can we condlude? We cannol say that only incorruption proves the person was a saint for so many did corrupt. The Church says nothing on this phenomenon and leaves it for private interpretation. We cannot conclude that either that sinners such as Hitler are not incorrupt.
Since we live in a world where all men are corruptible, including Popes and priests, especially them, faith is truly a wonderful virtue. Therefore, it is logical that faith itself will always be tested to the full by the enemies of God. Atheists cannot see the logical, eg. If you despise someone so much, what is the best way to hurt them? You hurt them by tormenting those whom they love the most. All who love God are driven to renounce him every day, by blaming all the earths problems on God.
@tpjl25 And, your constructive criticism is...? I assume you are from the man made, rent-a-religion Protestant franchise or an illogical atheist? I have my many conflicts with Rome, most recently the Popes support for the New World Order and the Vatican $millions. However, hateful bigotry rarely has nothing to contribute but spite and malevolence.
@JamesIsKing30 True to a certain extent. However, you need to do your research. She does have a wax layer, since the 1920/30s, as her body remained exposed to dirt. It had been exhumed several times before it had to be declared incorruptible. The RC church approaches independent investigators to examine this.
I am NOT Catholic. I just believe. Doesn't matter the denomination because I have read everything I could find and feel close to this wonderful woman. I believe she is exactly as they say, she does have wax on her skin,not a lot, but so what? She has been dead over a hundred years. She is a beautiful example of the love of God. Thanks
I am a non denominational christian who does not attend a physical church. I do however, have strong aspirations to live according to the will of God . I have worked in healthcare and have seen people who are not yet dead and in the throws of dying who don't look this good. She looks absolutely beautiful how many years after death..sorry no preservation agents could explain this. Inspiring and spiritually refreshing. With all the sorrows and pain in life I do believe life begins @ death.
@basingstokeborn Also remarkable is the fact that her casket was full of water at the time her body was exhumed. Remarkably, water routinely accelerates decomposition. Yet...
@basingstokeborn Also remarkable is the fact that her casket was full of water at the time her body was exhumed. Remarkably, water routinely accelerates decomposition. Yet...
Catholics believe people in heaven are alive. (Mat 19:29, 25:46, Mat 10:17-22, Mk 10:30, Lk 10:25-30, Lk 18:18-30, Jn 3:15-16). We see Lazarus alive by Abraham's side (Lk 16:22). And at the transfiguration we see Moses and Elijah alive beside Jesus. (Mat 17:3)
"Graves of the dead were opened and they went into town to preach the Gospel." (Mat 27:52). Jesus said "Now he is a God not of the dead, but of the living; for to him all of them are alive." (Lk 20:39-40)
Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. Faith does not not require proof. Remember Thomas? Thomas the Apostle, a disciple of Jesus who doubted Jesus' resurrection and demanded to feel Jesus' wounds before being convinced (John 20:24-29), "Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
@freddietonton I could not agree more. Were I to build my faith on thi incorrupt body then I would be foolish indeed. The fact is that it is there. The fact is it the dead body of someone who was close to God. The fact is that it is my previous belief in God and my Faith that has brought me to wonder at this phenomenon. If it disappears tomorrow it will not change my Faith.
This remarkable phenomenon of the incorruption of certain saints’ bodies is the subject of this enthralling and well-documented study. The author, Joan Carroll Cruz, spent five years researching the lives of over 100 saints and beata in preparation for this book. "THE DOCTORS AND THE INCORRUPTIBLES." One of the least known and most easily disbelieved religious facts is treated here in a scholarly and competent manner.
@comentarista1960 Good comment. I presume you've already read that book, so if it is still available I'm going to check it out. I've never heard of the author, but if she has researched this, then she knows her stuff. Thanks for this.
Her nose and face ( the only visible parts ) are made from wax after it started decomposing. Its not real. And no I am not lying, there has been investigation. Here is one piece of only one article about it:
'Very fine wax masks were laid over the face and hands of St. Bernadette's body in 1925 to disguise the sunken eyes and nose and the blackish tinge to the face and hands. ' So, what you saw was wax.
@MartinaMovies You are right to say that a mask was placed over her disfigured nose and sunken eyes, This has come up time and again in the comments. But remember this was done because the face was still there in 1925. A light transparent wax is put over her face from time to time in the present day. Investigations by the BBC Panorma and the National Geographical Channel have nevertheless declared that despite these difigurments the body has not decomposed.
thank you for puting this video on you tube.i have watched this so many times.i became a catholic in 1977.i hope to visit this place some day.i live in norwich.u.k.
it's like watching a living person sleep!!! she makes death look like a serene beautiful thing! and I'm not even close to being a suicidal person, but oh the peace!!
The beauty of St. Bernadette is truly remarkable, though in part because of the wax. However, I think that it is merely to keep her skin tone as such as it is. This is a work of forces as of yet beyond our understanding.
After all these years, there should be nothing left of the beautiful St. Bernadette. Her body should have long ago dissentigrated to dust. Yet it has not.
If you look up St. Catherine of Bologna, you will see that the skin darkens from the elements. Her skin is almost black from candles being lit around her. St. Bernadette is simply given more cosmetic assistance to reflect her beauty in life.
@dravenousone Thank you for your comment. And that is the point of course. The Catholic Church would not claim a miracle, since we cannot absolutely rule out a natural explanation. But the personal belief of myself and others is that this natural explanation will never come. You are not a catholic, it is sad that recently this channel and myself came under personal attacks from certain people who call themselves catholics.
Let us clear up what we are seeing. Certainly on exhumation the nose was disfigured, caused after death. The eyesockets were sunken, caused no doubt by her last days suffering agony from TB. A light mask was commisioned to cover these parts but it did not cover the whole face. The sisters still put a light wax on the skin to cofer the blemishes. The face remains that of St Bernadette. The BBC Panorma programme had no difficulty with this nor does the National Geographical Channel.
@truthbtold2u1 I conclude that the body of the Venerable Bernadette is intact, the skeleton is complete, the muscles have atrophied, but are well preserved; only the skin, which has shriveled, seems to have suffered from the effects of the damp in the coffin...., but the body does not seem to have putrefied, nor has any decomposition of the cadaver set in, although this would be expected and normal after such a long period in a vault hollowed out of the earth." April 3, 1919, Dr. Comte
@truthbtold2u1 What has oxygen to do with anything. As I sayt we are not objectively claiming a miracle and explanations are welcome but the nuns at Nevers know nothing about deoxygnisation, not did I see any sings of it there. She is not wrapped in bandages. You are dreaming up possibilities and then saying they must be true. There is one Buddhist monk preserved in this way.
@truthbtold2u1 well after 30 years her body was dug up and the surgeons present signed sworn oaths as did the nuns who helped bury her originally that the body was in a perfect stae of preservation the only thing noted by the nuns who buried her initaly was that her hands were moved slightly to the left, im curios i have never heard of any such mask being placed on her face and i have followed this with interest for many years can you provide a medical link to this claim please?
Does everyone watching this realize that her face and hands are covered with a wax mask? She is decomposing, albeit very slowly. Just read the medical reports of Dr Talon's from when she was first examined. She is "stiff as a board" which rules her out as incorruptible. Yes she is decomposing slowly, which is interesting, and there are several theories as to why, but incorruptible? I don't think so.
@truthbtold2u1 are you kidding me? ALL bodies incorruptible or not are always stiff, thats something that will always be, and even if she does have a little makeup on, that still doesnt matter. if she was corruptible, she would be skin and bones right now, but look at her, shes still as perfect as she was when she died, your going to listen to those asshole sientists who ALWAYS try to make god look bad by proving him wrong? thats just bullshit.
okay to all the detractors who think that lourdes is a myth with no validity, tell me how did a victorian child with no education have knwledge of the vaticans recent term ''immacualte conception'' ? if its a hoax how did this little girl know there wasa spring there to dig up and has flowed since 1858? how is it that nobody has ever gotten ill from being immersed in the same water as people with all sorts of infection ? and finally the numerous healings that defy medical explanation.
Haha, just can't believe myself reading some1 is saying "just another amazing profit making itemo for the pope". Answer yourself Joker199g!!!! How much money will cost the pope to keep the body in good condition??? How much profit to gain from it??? Who are the ones that Pope tried to impress??? We are Christian!!! We do not need this to keep our faith. To impress non-christian??? Like YOU??? wasting money!!! People do not care who is Jesus, how can he care about His servant, St Bernadette??
@LadyKasumi Nor do Catholics need thisto keep heir faith. I do not know where the Pope comes into this, the body is kept in a small convent in Nevers, France. They do not charge entrance nor do they have a collection. Allthough we do not need it to keep the faith the body reminds us of the events at Lourdes and the message of Mary that we have a soul. Disagree but do not mock since you may be held to account. at the judgement
What a crock of shit. The church is strong and powerful. Who saying the body isn't changed every week. Its 2011, its possible. Just another amazing profit making item for the pope. And people are gullible to believe it. Shame on you!
@JOKER199g Well you are a joker, I give you that. Change the body every week! I do not think enough people die in Nevers. Unless of course there is Burke and Hare going around France. Few people actually visit Nevers. The Pope never goes and there is no objecgive claim by the Catholic Church that this is a miracle. If you actually found out what the claims are and they are backed by non catholic sources you would not rush into making foolish remarks.
I'm just wondering: would the saints actually WANT their bodies to be on display to the public for the rest of eternity, regardless of how well preserved and beautiful they are?
Hi everybody, I hate to say that she IS wearing a wax mask. I'm an atheist and even I was very disappointed to learn that. They say that the mask is "thin", but it's a mask nonetheless. She was exhumed, I believe, three times, and the doctors who examined her said that her eyes and nose had slightly sunken in, her lower limbs were turning blackish, and eventually her face was a bit blackish (they believe due to being washed by the nuns).
@ShaiHuludisCool I am still amazed that people come in with the mask. The BBC Panorama programme did not say this. The National Geographic Channel did not say this. Not Catholic orgtanisations. But let us be honest. This is not a good video so why has it done better than professional ones. Because people can examine the hand, the fingernails, the eyebrows. There is nothing wax about them. And even a wax mask needs the support of a bone structure underneath.
@basingstokeborn "Very fine wax masks were laid over the face and hands of St. Bernadette's body in 1925 to disguise the sunken eyes and nose and the blackish tinge to the face and hands. During the first exhumation (1909) the face had been "a dull white" and the hands "perfectly preserved" but the nose was already "dilated and shrunken"."
I would post the link, but I'm pretty sure that comments with links in them get moderated. Just go to google and look up "st bernadette wax mask"
@ShaiHuludisCool "Bernadette's body was then put back into the coffin, but left uncovered. At this point a precise imprint of the face was moulded so that the firm of Pierre Imans in Paris could make a light wax mask based on the imprints and on some genuine photos. It was feared that, although the body was mummified, the blackish tinge to the face and the sunken eyes and nose would make an unpleasant impression on the public."
@ShaiHuludisCool It is certainly true that a mask was made but this was seen as standard procedure. The mask is not used and the Nuns put a light wax on the face to hide the blemishes, unnecessary if there was a mask. The body was not mummified, rigor mortis was absent. The whole body was examined in 1925, including internal organs. The doctor was amazed at how fresh and pliable the liver was. WE cannot confine our arguments to the face. It is a question of the whole body being inoorrupt.
@ShaiHuludisCool That could be true though the BBC missed it in the 1990`s There is still the problem of a body ding in 1878 being preserved until 1925. It is the `whole body` internal organs and trunk that wer found incorrupt. Indded in 1925 the liver was examined and found to be fresh. I do not moderate comments since my faith is not built around a dead body.
@basingstokeborn What I meant was that, at least in my experience, YouTube is able to automatically detect a link, thus preventing the comment from being posted. I've been on YouTube for several years now, and have never been able to post a link in a comment. I think they do that to prevent spam or something.
@basingstokeborn I agree that St. Bernadette is remarkably well preserved, and the fact that she only needs a thin wax mask in order to be presentable is a testament to that. By now, her body should be a caved-in shell, if not just a skeleton.
Personally, I'd like to see what Jacinta Marto looks like now.
@ShaiHuludisCool But the point is that her body is not a caved in shell.What would be supporting her garments? It certainly was not caved in or a skeleton when the BBC Panoram programme in the 90`s examined it. I tied to get that video but the BBC wanted £200. Bernadette is the only incorrupt I have been present to look at. There were incorrpt bodies in the middle ages but many of them suddenly corrupted after a few hundred years and were gone. It is an interesiting phenomenon.
my sister once told me that if u died with a smile it means u r accepting it...and if u died with a sad face ur not accepting with..means u do not want to die yet or maybe u r not free from all of ur sins..so we must confess every year...we must remember that mother mary said to saint bernadette PENANCE!....
@macah01, i was able to watch this afternoon the National geographic feature Sleeping Beauties i believe that it is true that the body was incorrupt the way the narrator tells the story..It is good to know that God still with us.
St. Bernadette's uncorrupted body lies a mystery til' now...surely many would say that its wax but I'm telling you this...if its wax, do you think the church would allow that. OK, we exclude the fact that the church "may" intervene in some way, but try to watch National Geographic Channel's Special named "Sleeping beauties" maybe, and I say maybe, It'll shed some light on some of you...who , I know, are still skeptic on that certain phenomena.
@macah01 Thank you for your comment. I know that the National Geographic Channel was covering this but have never seen the programme. Its approach I bellieve is that this is a case of very slow corruption and may have a natural explanatioin so human knowlege would be advanced by studying it. This is perfectly reasonable. The BBC Panorama programme in the 1990`s examined the body and its presenter stated "I cannot explain this, but it is not a miracle". Perfectly acceptable.
@moomoo1337 Thank you for your comment. It would be great on halloween. But what we have here is a dead body. The soul is what gies us life, the petrol you might say that makes the body go. When that is gone, we are goneand the body is left, just like an old car.
Once it is gone, you no longer look the same. It must be some sort of energy, I mean even scientifically it must be. You would think that human being in existance for so long someone would have come up with some theory which is neither religious or scientific, but simply fact based. Sorry to go on and on but your comment rang true for me.
basingstokeborn You saying that the "soul" is like the "petrol" that gives us life is so correct. I've lost so many family members. My sister even died right in front of me, and I must confess the soul is what make us who we are. Once it is gone you can see it from a mile away
@roblou62 The soul is eternal so member of your family is ever lost. They are watching you and praing for you. Keep in touch by talking to them. The story of Lourdes is that Mary wanted us to remember we had a soul, but God had preserved hers from sin. 1858 when she appeared is the same year The Origin of the Species appeared on the bookshops heralding in an age of atheism.
I MYSELF DONT CARE WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING ABOUT ST.BERNADETT SHE IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ST.I HAVE EVER SEEN AND I HOPE THAT SHE IS PRAYING FOR ALL OF US.SHES BEAUTIFUL
My grandmother's body was exhumed 1 yr after her death, when they looked through the glass, her body had not decayed. They opened her coffin and realized that she was "in-corrupt". I know this because my mother was present when they exhumed her body and saw my grandmother and it left an inedible mark in her mind. A year later she was exhumed and due to her being exposed to the elements at that time she had returned to bones and dust. There is no saint named because of her (Her name was Angelica)
@ajvshoyru There is a light wax coating mask on her face. She died in the late 1800s, The body is not just well preserved, it really is incorruptible.
There is information regarding how many times her body was "dug up" and observed. I believe it was 3 times. She has been in this state, in this coffin since 1927.
@ajvshoyru There is a light wax coating mask on her face. She died in the late 1800s, The body is not just well preserved, it really is uncorruptible.
There is information regarding how many times her body was "dug up" and observed. I believe it was 3 times. She has been in this state, in this coffin since 1927.
@ajvshoyru That is a goofd comment. The blackish tinges were caused however by the skin eing washed. Something was certainly done to lift her sunken eyes but the rest of the face is her skin and everyday a light was is put on to hid eht blisckish tinges of the facial skin.
her face is intact and only a very very thin cover of wax is on it to stop the skin browning other then that st bernadette the lovely is like she died yesterday
to think her eyes saw the holy mother .. awe inspiring
Let us keepl out attention on St Bernadette. Believe or do not believe in the incorrptible body. But let us not start a religious war. Everyone has a prejudice towards their own Churches.
@agora1955 Really!! Catholic church lies? If you did your proper research you will find that the catholics were formed by JESUS The Baptists originated in the 17th century protestants started in the 1500's so from the Time JESUS was on the earth in human form we catholics started so before you go off half cocked study your info first
@agora1955 talking about thick. Did you not realize that the word catholic means universal? JESUS started the catholic (Universal) Church with St.Peter as the first Pope.Also the Bible that you use is all catholic doctrine. So Catholics were the primary religion the one true church..
@agora1955 You who have not been in the presence of the body can call it wax. People who are actually there deny this. Even BBC Panorama. Actually Nevers is a small convent, they make little money out of this but they do look after pilgrims.
@agora1955 Dear , O Dear, You really are setting yourself up as judge and jury. Who is making all this money? Certainly not the Catholic church and not the convent who merely supplies board for pilgrims.Of course, the body will become dust and ashes. Meantime we can see Bernadette as she looked in life. We celebrate her as one of the saints in heaven and we are very proud of her.
@agora1955 Thank you for your thoughtful comment. Yes, Bernadette was everything you say. God forbid however that anyone should google over her body like an exhibition in a Zoo. Bernadette is now a saint in heaven praying for all of us, catholic or protestant on earth. If her body increases faith and love for God she will be happy. We pray to her, for her intecession with God among the Communion of Saints. That is the respect we give her when viewing her body.
ok so regarding the scientific approach to this well frankly it doesn't matter to me. There are so many other miracles in the Catholic Church unexplained by scientists that if this was revealed a hoax it wouldn't do much...however when a body dies there is rigor mortis meaning the limbs become stiff and for w/e reason this was not the case with st. bernadette who for years has her habit changed. Also, I've heard in many cases the church does not allow them to undergo embalming.
My friend Culyvan did make a valid point on the mask. A wax ws made of her face sunken eyes and nose and all. Now the nuns at Never still put a light wax on the face every morning to hide the blemishes caused by washing. I must research this but I do believe that a partial mask covers the nose and eyes to raise them, but not the whole face. I will research or I am open to comments.
@basingstokeborn I'm sorry for making this an issue. I guess I'm a very late member of the scottish enlightenment. anyway, I enjoyed your songs and I wish you all the best. Believe whatever you like my friend, it's not up to me. slainte.
Contiuation from last post (speaking of liver) "One would have thought that this organ which is basically soft and inclined to crumble, would have decomposed very rapidly or would have hardened to a chalky consistency. I pointed this out to those present, remarking that this did not seem to be a natural phenomenon"
The doctor present at the exhumation of the body of St Bernadette in 1925 was a Dr Comte. Here is what he said. " What struck me during the examination, of course, was the perfect preservation of the skeleton, the fibrous tissues of the muscles (still supple and firm), of the ligaments and of the skin, and above all the totally unexpected state of the liver after 46 years.
"At her third and final exhumation in 1925, it was noted that the "blackish tinge to the face and the sunken eyes and nose would make an unpleasant impression on the public," and so the decision was made to display the corpse with a wax mask." At this point , doctors also made sworn statements that the body was decaying and partially mummified. the photos you see on the Internet of St. Bernadette's beautiful, incorrupt corpse are of a wax mask placed on an obviously mummified body.
@cullyvan Laddie yer a great disappointment to me. Youo obviously looked into it by having found out about the mask, terrific, why did you not tell the rest instead of going `awae wi` the doos`. Sunken eyes and nose have nothing to do with incorruption. And you insulted Dr Comte who exhumed the body. I have posted his comments.
Catholics and non Catholics alike visit Lourdes and Nevers and get a lot of peace from their visits to these shrines, we dont pray to a dead corpse we pray to Our Lord in Heaven and we look towards the Saints as role models and examples of ordinary people who led good lives, we ask the Saints for their help and to intercede to our Heavenly Father for us, its a beautiful gift.
@cullyvan I was there and saw the body. Millions of others have done so. Your trouble is that you are making more of this than you should in order to feel superior to some group - you have a form of racism. There was a BBC Panorama investigation into the body.. What we have is just something science cannot explain a very slow body decomposition. I will not tell you iit is a miracle. But make sure you know what others beleive before you jump into anything.
@cullyvan You know why you are fighting because you dont know the answer of that mystery, you silly heretic. Fight with me. Leave my saint alone. I will give you whatever you want but dont mess here.
@cullyvan Middle Ages! Huh... First I want to know that who you are actually? I am a Catholic. I need an answer alike. Whats your religion? Then we'll proceed. I decide my debates accordingly. Ok
@basingstokeborn ....Actually cullyvan is correct! it is wax covering the face and hands. Before it was applied her body was on display and her body was decomposing so very slow that white fungus was beginning to show on her hands and feet especially around the eyes, nose and mouth. It was decided by the Vatican to cover up her face and hands in wax and hired (I think) a french mortician to the task. Some Incorrupt Bodies are so well preserved that the procedure was not used, PADRE PIO is one.
@v49624430 The true story is that when she was exhumed in 1925 and found incorrupt the Sisters at Nevers washed her face. This was the wrong thing to do since it left blemishes on the skin. Yes, a light wax goes onto her face every day to hide these blemishes. If a body is corrutpting quckly no waxing will stop the body sinking and shrinking. An undertaker will tell you that.
I am from Goa and my native Church is dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes. May Jesus, Mother Mary and St. Bernadette bless you basingstokeborn. May they keep you strong in our Catholic faith now and forever, making you stronger day by day. ST. BERNADETTE PRAY FOR US.
@TheKavebear St Bernadette died at the age of 37. Her soul, her person, her being went to heaven and what we have here is her earthly shell. If you are good at sums this body has remained incorrupt since 1879. But rememger it is not her.
All bodies are buried first. If they were saintly when living they are dug up again at a later date to see if they were incorruptible. These saints were incorruptible.
@Yobidefy Well, I will throw all caution to the wind and since she has been dead 132 years I will dare to call it a miracle. What we are talking about is some slowing down in bodily corruption - she is dead.
@Yobidefy First of all it is not the Church who is preserving her body. The official Church keeps its distance. What we have here is what I believe to be a miraculously preserved body, but and this is where the Church is cautious, there may be revealed at some later date and it cannot be ruled out, a natural explanation. It has to be 100% tight case. No there is a light wax on the face but the body internally and externally has not decayed. The body is beter than a picture.
@Yobidefy yah i stil dont get it why, and is that her real body or its just covered with wax?..
why dont they just bury her body? i feel bad for her coz it looks like she still suffering even though shes dead by looking at her face... we have to move on..we shouldnt always believe in miracles.if were gonna do good things miracle will come to us, if not , then nothing
@MrCookieBanana Well I have been called a jerk and other things in my life but my status as a catholic has never before been questioned. On the question of miracles as far as the incorrupt body of Bernadette I personally believe it is a miracle.But until natural explanations are completely ruled out I cannot argue factually. There could be an explanation At Lourdes. sixty odd cases are given as above natural explanation, miracles though there are thousands I and others would call miraculous
@basingstokeborn There are hundreds of Incorrupt Saints. Just type "Incorrupt Body of Padre Pio" and see for yourself the Splendor and glory of God confirming His True Holy Catholic Church for this happens no where else.
@basingstokeborn Yes indeed! I admire your religious beliefs. I too am like you with a thnking like yours and a practicing Roman Catholic. St. Bernadette is my saint. At her intercession two powerful miracles took place in my life after praying to her and within seconds of opening my eyes after praying to her. I immediately informed my Parish Priest. I am from Goa and my native Church is dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes. May Jesus, Mother Mary and St. Bernadette bless you basingstokeborn.
For starters,, WHY would you keep digging her up in the first place.???
secondly she has been coated in wax. There was quite a bit of decay of the body.. but again,, WHY keep diggin her up to check? If you did that with everybody there would be a lot more saints!
@xvoy2002 There has been in the Church a history of incorrupt bodies going back over a thousand years. The body was dug up twice before 1925 when , having found that the internal organs as well as the skin were incorrupt it was taken as a sign from God of her saintliness. But two things I must say, To be incorrupt is not the proof of sainthood, most do decompose, and this cannot be put forward as a miracle, merely an opinion of sainthood.
@xvoy2002 That it is miraculously preserved is a private belief. Scientifically there could be good reasons that come to light. As you ask how many bodies might there be? And consider the blemishes for which a light wax is put on the face almost daily was caused by the nuns in 1925 washing the face. But this is St Bernadette, not a photo or statue, but her as she was on dying. Of course people are interested.
@basingstokeborn But that doesn't explain anything.. WHY keep digging someone up to see what the body is like? Makes no sense. Secondly, she is not incorruptible. When doing the reseach,, they did a mold of her face and hands. the only part you can see of her. Then made wax imprints. What you are seeing is a nice wax figure. Nothing more. No miracle.
@xvoy2002 Strangely you are the one pushing the miracle, I say there could be a natural explanation. There is only a light wax on the face to keep hidden the blemishes made by washing. I saw it and I know. BBC Panorama saw it and there investigator said "I cannot explain it but it is not a miracle" A fair enough comment. There is a history of saints being incorrupt so the Church does dig them up to find out. But as I say it is not a certain sign You should approach this as a man of science..
@xvoy2002 ok i have to tell you, I dont know if catholicism is real or god is real at all, but you know what u said doesn't really make sense, we know that most people aren't preserved, and just so you know graves in cemeteries are dug up, when the cemetery becomes full, they reuse graves. With most people (and by most I mean like 99%), they don't see a incorrupted body.
That is just kind of creepy.I agree with the fact that the point of this is not the wax or make-up, but that the body should have been dust. Nothing left after 30 years of being buried. Her rosary and other things showed signs of decay or time passing, but her body did not. There was no smell to her dead body either. Are there any other bodies like this? Non-saints? I mean I'd like to know if this happens to non-believers or 'regular' people. Good video, Thank you.
angy47777 2 months ago
@angy47777 There are about 200 incorrupt bodies of Catholic Saints. In Paris you will find those of St Catherine Laboure, St Vincent de Paul. There are also incorrupt bodies in America. What can we condlude? We cannol say that only incorruption proves the person was a saint for so many did corrupt. The Church says nothing on this phenomenon and leaves it for private interpretation. We cannot conclude that either that sinners such as Hitler are not incorrupt.
basingstokeborn 2 months ago
Since we live in a world where all men are corruptible, including Popes and priests, especially them, faith is truly a wonderful virtue. Therefore, it is logical that faith itself will always be tested to the full by the enemies of God. Atheists cannot see the logical, eg. If you despise someone so much, what is the best way to hurt them? You hurt them by tormenting those whom they love the most. All who love God are driven to renounce him every day, by blaming all the earths problems on God.
IrishStorm1 2 months ago
You are so right. Of course you are. I think she is probably a vampire and as a good catholic she wakes at night and is blood thirsty.as you say.
basingstokeborn 3 months ago
What a barbarous and blood thirsty religion. Complete bullshit.
tpjl25 3 months ago
@tpjl25 And, your constructive criticism is...? I assume you are from the man made, rent-a-religion Protestant franchise or an illogical atheist? I have my many conflicts with Rome, most recently the Popes support for the New World Order and the Vatican $millions. However, hateful bigotry rarely has nothing to contribute but spite and malevolence.
IrishStorm1 2 months ago
they got pretty good morticians
comandarshapard 4 months ago
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@comandarshapard D'uh! You need to check out the facts and do your research before making such stupid comments.
IrishStorm1 2 months ago
Plenty of wax and makeup
JamesIsKing30 5 months ago
@JamesIsKing30 True to a certain extent. However, you need to do your research. She does have a wax layer, since the 1920/30s, as her body remained exposed to dirt. It had been exhumed several times before it had to be declared incorruptible. The RC church approaches independent investigators to examine this.
IrishStorm1 2 months ago
Truly remarkable!
Xxqtpie192xX 6 months ago
I am NOT Catholic. I just believe. Doesn't matter the denomination because I have read everything I could find and feel close to this wonderful woman. I believe she is exactly as they say, she does have wax on her skin,not a lot, but so what? She has been dead over a hundred years. She is a beautiful example of the love of God. Thanks
refugee510 7 months ago
I am a non denominational christian who does not attend a physical church. I do however, have strong aspirations to live according to the will of God . I have worked in healthcare and have seen people who are not yet dead and in the throws of dying who don't look this good. She looks absolutely beautiful how many years after death..sorry no preservation agents could explain this. Inspiring and spiritually refreshing. With all the sorrows and pain in life I do believe life begins @ death.
courage9070 8 months ago 2
@courage9070 Thank you for your very thoughtful and kind comment. God go with you.
basingstokeborn 8 months ago
@basingstokeborn Also remarkable is the fact that her casket was full of water at the time her body was exhumed. Remarkably, water routinely accelerates decomposition. Yet...
collegesuccess 7 months ago
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@basingstokeborn Also remarkable is the fact that her casket was full of water at the time her body was exhumed. Remarkably, water routinely accelerates decomposition. Yet...
collegesuccess 7 months ago
@courage9070 if i were you id physical with the rosary
mufc99ok 2 weeks ago
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Catholics believe people in heaven are alive. (Mat 19:29, 25:46, Mat 10:17-22, Mk 10:30, Lk 10:25-30, Lk 18:18-30, Jn 3:15-16). We see Lazarus alive by Abraham's side (Lk 16:22). And at the transfiguration we see Moses and Elijah alive beside Jesus. (Mat 17:3)
freddietonton 8 months ago
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"Graves of the dead were opened and they went into town to preach the Gospel." (Mat 27:52). Jesus said "Now he is a God not of the dead, but of the living; for to him all of them are alive." (Lk 20:39-40)
freddietonton 8 months ago
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Psalm 35:10 "All my bones shall say, LORD, who is like unto thee, which deliverest the poor from him that is too strong for him,..."
freddietonton 8 months ago
Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. Faith does not not require proof. Remember Thomas? Thomas the Apostle, a disciple of Jesus who doubted Jesus' resurrection and demanded to feel Jesus' wounds before being convinced (John 20:24-29), "Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
freddietonton 8 months ago 3
@freddietonton I could not agree more. Were I to build my faith on thi incorrupt body then I would be foolish indeed. The fact is that it is there. The fact is it the dead body of someone who was close to God. The fact is that it is my previous belief in God and my Faith that has brought me to wonder at this phenomenon. If it disappears tomorrow it will not change my Faith.
basingstokeborn 8 months ago
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@basingstokeborn I agree, these incorrupt holy bodies are the glaring proof of God's power!
freddietonton 8 months ago
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freddietonton 8 months ago
This remarkable phenomenon of the incorruption of certain saints’ bodies is the subject of this enthralling and well-documented study. The author, Joan Carroll Cruz, spent five years researching the lives of over 100 saints and beata in preparation for this book. "THE DOCTORS AND THE INCORRUPTIBLES." One of the least known and most easily disbelieved religious facts is treated here in a scholarly and competent manner.
comentarista1960 8 months ago
@comentarista1960 Good comment. I presume you've already read that book, so if it is still available I'm going to check it out. I've never heard of the author, but if she has researched this, then she knows her stuff. Thanks for this.
IrishStorm1 2 months ago
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Acts 13:37 But he whom God has raised from the dead saw no corruption.
freddietonton 8 months ago
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(Acts 2 : 27 ) Supports incorruption of Saint's' Bodies
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For David says of him: 'I saw the Lord ever before me, with him at my right hand I shall not be disturbed.
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Therefore my heart has been glad and my tongue has exulted; my flesh, too, will dwell in hope,
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because you will not abandon my soul to the netherworld, nor will you suffer your holy one to see corruption.
Non - believers now Go to Hell.
eraser695 9 months ago
Oh wow....
CaptainChocolatte 9 months ago
Her nose and face ( the only visible parts ) are made from wax after it started decomposing. Its not real. And no I am not lying, there has been investigation. Here is one piece of only one article about it:
'Very fine wax masks were laid over the face and hands of St. Bernadette's body in 1925 to disguise the sunken eyes and nose and the blackish tinge to the face and hands. ' So, what you saw was wax.
MartinaMovies 10 months ago
@MartinaMovies I mean not nose and face, but hands and face.
MartinaMovies 10 months ago
@MartinaMovies You are right to say that a mask was placed over her disfigured nose and sunken eyes, This has come up time and again in the comments. But remember this was done because the face was still there in 1925. A light transparent wax is put over her face from time to time in the present day. Investigations by the BBC Panorma and the National Geographical Channel have nevertheless declared that despite these difigurments the body has not decomposed.
basingstokeborn 10 months ago 5
thank you for puting this video on you tube.i have watched this so many times.i became a catholic in 1977.i hope to visit this place some day.i live in norwich.u.k.
timbray1953 11 months ago
Oh my gosh, is this real? She looks like she's resting.
bluflutterbys 11 months ago
@bluflutterbys Yes it is very real !!
grooverheliboy 10 months ago
it's like watching a living person sleep!!! she makes death look like a serene beautiful thing! and I'm not even close to being a suicidal person, but oh the peace!!
6MemoryOfForever9 11 months ago
The beauty of St. Bernadette is truly remarkable, though in part because of the wax. However, I think that it is merely to keep her skin tone as such as it is. This is a work of forces as of yet beyond our understanding.
inufandom 11 months ago
I think many are missing the point.
After all these years, there should be nothing left of the beautiful St. Bernadette. Her body should have long ago dissentigrated to dust. Yet it has not.
If you look up St. Catherine of Bologna, you will see that the skin darkens from the elements. Her skin is almost black from candles being lit around her. St. Bernadette is simply given more cosmetic assistance to reflect her beauty in life.
Just FYI, I am not Catholic.
dravenousone 1 year ago 7
@dravenousone Thank you for your comment. And that is the point of course. The Catholic Church would not claim a miracle, since we cannot absolutely rule out a natural explanation. But the personal belief of myself and others is that this natural explanation will never come. You are not a catholic, it is sad that recently this channel and myself came under personal attacks from certain people who call themselves catholics.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@dravenousone Me either. Wondrous isn't it how God works?
TheCoolProfessor 11 months ago
@dravenousone Why if your not catholic you came her only to attack catholic faith. If you dont believe, stay in your one wrong world. God Bless You!
uchaification 10 months ago
@uchaification When did I attack the Catholic faith?
I think you misunderstood what I said.
dravenousone 10 months ago
Let us clear up what we are seeing. Certainly on exhumation the nose was disfigured, caused after death. The eyesockets were sunken, caused no doubt by her last days suffering agony from TB. A light mask was commisioned to cover these parts but it did not cover the whole face. The sisters still put a light wax on the skin to cofer the blemishes. The face remains that of St Bernadette. The BBC Panorma programme had no difficulty with this nor does the National Geographical Channel.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago 2
@truthbtold2u1 I conclude that the body of the Venerable Bernadette is intact, the skeleton is complete, the muscles have atrophied, but are well preserved; only the skin, which has shriveled, seems to have suffered from the effects of the damp in the coffin...., but the body does not seem to have putrefied, nor has any decomposition of the cadaver set in, although this would be expected and normal after such a long period in a vault hollowed out of the earth." April 3, 1919, Dr. Comte
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@truthbtold2u1 What has oxygen to do with anything. As I sayt we are not objectively claiming a miracle and explanations are welcome but the nuns at Nevers know nothing about deoxygnisation, not did I see any sings of it there. She is not wrapped in bandages. You are dreaming up possibilities and then saying they must be true. There is one Buddhist monk preserved in this way.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@truthbtold2u1 I really want to see what she looks like under the mask.
ShaiHuludisCool 1 year ago
@ShaiHuludisCool Why not ask the BBC Panorama team or the National Geographical Channel. Of course, they will be liars.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@truthbtold2u1 well after 30 years her body was dug up and the surgeons present signed sworn oaths as did the nuns who helped bury her originally that the body was in a perfect stae of preservation the only thing noted by the nuns who buried her initaly was that her hands were moved slightly to the left, im curios i have never heard of any such mask being placed on her face and i have followed this with interest for many years can you provide a medical link to this claim please?
hargohargo2 1 year ago
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Does everyone watching this realize that her face and hands are covered with a wax mask? She is decomposing, albeit very slowly. Just read the medical reports of Dr Talon's from when she was first examined. She is "stiff as a board" which rules her out as incorruptible. Yes she is decomposing slowly, which is interesting, and there are several theories as to why, but incorruptible? I don't think so.
truthbtold2u1 1 year ago 2
@truthbtold2u1 are you kidding me? ALL bodies incorruptible or not are always stiff, thats something that will always be, and even if she does have a little makeup on, that still doesnt matter. if she was corruptible, she would be skin and bones right now, but look at her, shes still as perfect as she was when she died, your going to listen to those asshole sientists who ALWAYS try to make god look bad by proving him wrong? thats just bullshit.
1Animechic1 9 months ago
okay to all the detractors who think that lourdes is a myth with no validity, tell me how did a victorian child with no education have knwledge of the vaticans recent term ''immacualte conception'' ? if its a hoax how did this little girl know there wasa spring there to dig up and has flowed since 1858? how is it that nobody has ever gotten ill from being immersed in the same water as people with all sorts of infection ? and finally the numerous healings that defy medical explanation.
hargohargo2 1 year ago
Haha, just can't believe myself reading some1 is saying "just another amazing profit making itemo for the pope". Answer yourself Joker199g!!!! How much money will cost the pope to keep the body in good condition??? How much profit to gain from it??? Who are the ones that Pope tried to impress??? We are Christian!!! We do not need this to keep our faith. To impress non-christian??? Like YOU??? wasting money!!! People do not care who is Jesus, how can he care about His servant, St Bernadette??
LadyKasumi 1 year ago
@LadyKasumi Nor do Catholics need thisto keep heir faith. I do not know where the Pope comes into this, the body is kept in a small convent in Nevers, France. They do not charge entrance nor do they have a collection. Allthough we do not need it to keep the faith the body reminds us of the events at Lourdes and the message of Mary that we have a soul. Disagree but do not mock since you may be held to account. at the judgement
basingstokeborn 1 year ago 2
What a crock of shit. The church is strong and powerful. Who saying the body isn't changed every week. Its 2011, its possible. Just another amazing profit making item for the pope. And people are gullible to believe it. Shame on you!
JOKER199g 1 year ago
@JOKER199g Well you are a joker, I give you that. Change the body every week! I do not think enough people die in Nevers. Unless of course there is Burke and Hare going around France. Few people actually visit Nevers. The Pope never goes and there is no objecgive claim by the Catholic Church that this is a miracle. If you actually found out what the claims are and they are backed by non catholic sources you would not rush into making foolish remarks.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
I'm just wondering: would the saints actually WANT their bodies to be on display to the public for the rest of eternity, regardless of how well preserved and beautiful they are?
ShaiHuludisCool 1 year ago
Hi everybody, I hate to say that she IS wearing a wax mask. I'm an atheist and even I was very disappointed to learn that. They say that the mask is "thin", but it's a mask nonetheless. She was exhumed, I believe, three times, and the doctors who examined her said that her eyes and nose had slightly sunken in, her lower limbs were turning blackish, and eventually her face was a bit blackish (they believe due to being washed by the nuns).
ShaiHuludisCool 1 year ago
@ShaiHuludisCool I am still amazed that people come in with the mask. The BBC Panorama programme did not say this. The National Geographic Channel did not say this. Not Catholic orgtanisations. But let us be honest. This is not a good video so why has it done better than professional ones. Because people can examine the hand, the fingernails, the eyebrows. There is nothing wax about them. And even a wax mask needs the support of a bone structure underneath.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn "Very fine wax masks were laid over the face and hands of St. Bernadette's body in 1925 to disguise the sunken eyes and nose and the blackish tinge to the face and hands. During the first exhumation (1909) the face had been "a dull white" and the hands "perfectly preserved" but the nose was already "dilated and shrunken"."
I would post the link, but I'm pretty sure that comments with links in them get moderated. Just go to google and look up "st bernadette wax mask"
ShaiHuludisCool 1 year ago
@ShaiHuludisCool "Bernadette's body was then put back into the coffin, but left uncovered. At this point a precise imprint of the face was moulded so that the firm of Pierre Imans in Paris could make a light wax mask based on the imprints and on some genuine photos. It was feared that, although the body was mummified, the blackish tinge to the face and the sunken eyes and nose would make an unpleasant impression on the public."
ShaiHuludisCool 1 year ago
@ShaiHuludisCool It is certainly true that a mask was made but this was seen as standard procedure. The mask is not used and the Nuns put a light wax on the face to hide the blemishes, unnecessary if there was a mask. The body was not mummified, rigor mortis was absent. The whole body was examined in 1925, including internal organs. The doctor was amazed at how fresh and pliable the liver was. WE cannot confine our arguments to the face. It is a question of the whole body being inoorrupt.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@ShaiHuludisCool That could be true though the BBC missed it in the 1990`s There is still the problem of a body ding in 1878 being preserved until 1925. It is the `whole body` internal organs and trunk that wer found incorrupt. Indded in 1925 the liver was examined and found to be fresh. I do not moderate comments since my faith is not built around a dead body.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn What I meant was that, at least in my experience, YouTube is able to automatically detect a link, thus preventing the comment from being posted. I've been on YouTube for several years now, and have never been able to post a link in a comment. I think they do that to prevent spam or something.
ShaiHuludisCool 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn I agree that St. Bernadette is remarkably well preserved, and the fact that she only needs a thin wax mask in order to be presentable is a testament to that. By now, her body should be a caved-in shell, if not just a skeleton.
Personally, I'd like to see what Jacinta Marto looks like now.
ShaiHuludisCool 1 year ago
@ShaiHuludisCool But the point is that her body is not a caved in shell.What would be supporting her garments? It certainly was not caved in or a skeleton when the BBC Panoram programme in the 90`s examined it. I tied to get that video but the BBC wanted £200. Bernadette is the only incorrupt I have been present to look at. There were incorrpt bodies in the middle ages but many of them suddenly corrupted after a few hundred years and were gone. It is an interesiting phenomenon.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
my sister once told me that if u died with a smile it means u r accepting it...and if u died with a sad face ur not accepting with..means u do not want to die yet or maybe u r not free from all of ur sins..so we must confess every year...we must remember that mother mary said to saint bernadette PENANCE!....
lalagirl211 1 year ago
she looks lke she is just sleeping..! praise be to God!
ed10908 1 year ago
Oh my god.
eris261 1 year ago
Heyy!!! Umm is this the church in Orchard Park by hamburgg??? Haha if it iss HAYYY EVERYONE lol I am going to tht school next year :p
Love Ellie Rose Earle!! <3
woodgirl22 1 year ago
it is wax but just to keep the color looking fresh,,it can darken from age but she is in fact very well preserved and intact
mondoshrimpo 1 year ago
@macah01, i was able to watch this afternoon the National geographic feature Sleeping Beauties i believe that it is true that the body was incorrupt the way the narrator tells the story..It is good to know that God still with us.
02guardianangel 1 year ago
St. Bernadette's uncorrupted body lies a mystery til' now...surely many would say that its wax but I'm telling you this...if its wax, do you think the church would allow that. OK, we exclude the fact that the church "may" intervene in some way, but try to watch National Geographic Channel's Special named "Sleeping beauties" maybe, and I say maybe, It'll shed some light on some of you...who , I know, are still skeptic on that certain phenomena.
and dravenousone is correct...try to search
macah01 1 year ago
@macah01 Thank you for your comment. I know that the National Geographic Channel was covering this but have never seen the programme. Its approach I bellieve is that this is a case of very slow corruption and may have a natural explanatioin so human knowlege would be advanced by studying it. This is perfectly reasonable. The BBC Panorama programme in the 1990`s examined the body and its presenter stated "I cannot explain this, but it is not a miracle". Perfectly acceptable.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
i envy you so much because you got to see her in person! T.T
i want to go there too .. :(
princessvampie 1 year ago
Hallelujah to Faith!
miserablepianofreak 1 year ago
God is REAL..!!!
MosesChew777 1 year ago
I would love it if she opened up her eyes and went boo!!
moomoo1337 1 year ago
@moomoo1337 Thank you for your comment. It would be great on halloween. But what we have here is a dead body. The soul is what gies us life, the petrol you might say that makes the body go. When that is gone, we are goneand the body is left, just like an old car.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn Part 2:
Once it is gone, you no longer look the same. It must be some sort of energy, I mean even scientifically it must be. You would think that human being in existance for so long someone would have come up with some theory which is neither religious or scientific, but simply fact based. Sorry to go on and on but your comment rang true for me.
roblou62 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn Part 1:
basingstokeborn You saying that the "soul" is like the "petrol" that gives us life is so correct. I've lost so many family members. My sister even died right in front of me, and I must confess the soul is what make us who we are. Once it is gone you can see it from a mile away
roblou62 1 year ago
@roblou62 The soul is eternal so member of your family is ever lost. They are watching you and praing for you. Keep in touch by talking to them. The story of Lourdes is that Mary wanted us to remember we had a soul, but God had preserved hers from sin. 1858 when she appeared is the same year The Origin of the Species appeared on the bookshops heralding in an age of atheism.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
I MYSELF DONT CARE WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING ABOUT ST.BERNADETT SHE IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ST.I HAVE EVER SEEN AND I HOPE THAT SHE IS PRAYING FOR ALL OF US.SHES BEAUTIFUL
deboodt77 1 year ago
st bernardette please pray for me in my studies and financial problems
zeenatv 1 year ago
Oh God,she's so beautiful...*-*
Otakawaii1 1 year ago
My grandmother's body was exhumed 1 yr after her death, when they looked through the glass, her body had not decayed. They opened her coffin and realized that she was "in-corrupt". I know this because my mother was present when they exhumed her body and saw my grandmother and it left an inedible mark in her mind. A year later she was exhumed and due to her being exposed to the elements at that time she had returned to bones and dust. There is no saint named because of her (Her name was Angelica)
Dollfan56 1 year ago
@ajvshoyru There is a light wax coating mask on her face. She died in the late 1800s, The body is not just well preserved, it really is incorruptible.
There is information regarding how many times her body was "dug up" and observed. I believe it was 3 times. She has been in this state, in this coffin since 1927.
lenegal77 1 year ago
@ajvshoyru There is a light wax coating mask on her face. She died in the late 1800s, The body is not just well preserved, it really is uncorruptible.
There is information regarding how many times her body was "dug up" and observed. I believe it was 3 times. She has been in this state, in this coffin since 1927.
lenegal77 1 year ago
@ajvshoyru That is a goofd comment. The blackish tinges were caused however by the skin eing washed. Something was certainly done to lift her sunken eyes but the rest of the face is her skin and everyday a light was is put on to hid eht blisckish tinges of the facial skin.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@ajvshoyru Yes, you are so right. The people who exhumed her corpse
wanted to keep it as preserved as possible. Honestly though I dont know why.
Isn´t faith enough without signs ?
agora1955 1 year ago
her face is intact and only a very very thin cover of wax is on it to stop the skin browning other then that st bernadette the lovely is like she died yesterday
to think her eyes saw the holy mother .. awe inspiring
jopeon 1 year ago
Let us keepl out attention on St Bernadette. Believe or do not believe in the incorrptible body. But let us not start a religious war. Everyone has a prejudice towards their own Churches.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
cool, a wax figure...
bloodybeetroot 1 year ago
Oh for heaven´s sake or whatever. This is a wax figure. You can see that every
day in any presentation of Tussaud´s Waxworks in London etc. The catholic church
is taking in money, as usual, and presenting lies, as they have always done.
If this were true it would be in ALL the media in and in every newsroom on this planet.
agora1955 1 year ago
@agora1955 Really!! Catholic church lies? If you did your proper research you will find that the catholics were formed by JESUS The Baptists originated in the 17th century protestants started in the 1500's so from the Time JESUS was on the earth in human form we catholics started so before you go off half cocked study your info first
4everjesusrules 1 year ago
@4everjesusrules Well that is very interesting as Jeshua Ben Jussuf, = translated
from the Greek = Jesus, was a Jew who lived centuries before anyone ever heard
anything about " Catholics". The Emperor Constantine was converted to Christianity
in the year 312 AD. Baptists originated around the 1600`s,but they have NOTHING
to do with catholics, and protestants with Luther, Bless him.
So what is your point ? That Jesus was a Catholic ? Oh please, that is SO ridiculous.
agora1955 1 year ago
@agora1955 talking about thick. Did you not realize that the word catholic means universal? JESUS started the catholic (Universal) Church with St.Peter as the first Pope.Also the Bible that you use is all catholic doctrine. So Catholics were the primary religion the one true church..
4everjesusrules 1 year ago
@4everjesusrules Jesus was a Jew who NEVER said that he was intending
to start any church whatsoever. What Peter did was Peter´s idea. And now
please stop boring me with your rantings.
agora1955 1 year ago
@agora1955 he said spread the news to the world and let the world know, and they sould do this by starting church
roseliza2 1 year ago
@agora1955 You who have not been in the presence of the body can call it wax. People who are actually there deny this. Even BBC Panorama. Actually Nevers is a small convent, they make little money out of this but they do look after pilgrims.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn They should not be " making money " out of it at all. Its disgraceful
it is a slap in the face of what the little girl Bernadette may or may not have seen.
I am sure she did have a wonderful and psychic intuition. But she passed away and
there is no reason to be ashamed ( which I see the catholic church is) of the fact
that we humans simply pass on to bones and dust. Her loving spirit may linger, but
there is NO need to sell her on every corner like a cheap souvenier.
agora1955 1 year ago
@agora1955 is that why miracles happen when we pray to them..u of little belief..Believe and be saved!<3 praise God
roseliza2 1 year ago
@roseliza2 Praise Allah !
agora1955 1 year ago
@agora1955 Dear , O Dear, You really are setting yourself up as judge and jury. Who is making all this money? Certainly not the Catholic church and not the convent who merely supplies board for pilgrims.Of course, the body will become dust and ashes. Meantime we can see Bernadette as she looked in life. We celebrate her as one of the saints in heaven and we are very proud of her.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn Excuse me but you are overlooking my point. It has nothing
to do with Bernadette as she " looked in life" She wanted to be " an obscure nun".
She loathed all the " pop star" stuff that was forced upon her. She would NOT want
her bones to be put on view as in a Zoo for people to crane their necks at. The last
thing Bernadette ever wanted was to be revered. Why does the catholic church not
honor her wishes. ? You can be proud of her without a wax face and hands.
agora1955 1 year ago
@agora1955 Totally agree with u!
KerriLuvsTyler 1 year ago
@KerriLuvsTyler Thank you. Have a great day.
agora1955 1 year ago
@agora1955 Thank you for your thoughtful comment. Yes, Bernadette was everything you say. God forbid however that anyone should google over her body like an exhibition in a Zoo. Bernadette is now a saint in heaven praying for all of us, catholic or protestant on earth. If her body increases faith and love for God she will be happy. We pray to her, for her intecession with God among the Communion of Saints. That is the respect we give her when viewing her body.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn I think I am getting to like you. Miracles happen. LOL.
agora1955 1 year ago
@agora1955 Do you live under a rock?
The incorruptable Saints have been featured on every news channel in every nation for the last 50 years.
Turn AWAY from Survivor or "My Super Sweet 16" once in a while please.
dravenousone 1 year ago
@dravenousone What are you talking about ? Your post makes no sense whatsoever.
agora1955 1 year ago
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@agora1955
You wrote: "If this were true it would be in ALL the media in and in every newsroom on this planet. "
I explained that it has been.
If you cannot understand your own comment, I can't help you.
dravenousone 1 year ago
ok so regarding the scientific approach to this well frankly it doesn't matter to me. There are so many other miracles in the Catholic Church unexplained by scientists that if this was revealed a hoax it wouldn't do much...however when a body dies there is rigor mortis meaning the limbs become stiff and for w/e reason this was not the case with st. bernadette who for years has her habit changed. Also, I've heard in many cases the church does not allow them to undergo embalming.
CARAthePOET 1 year ago
sure would scare them if she jumped out of the box ,now that would be a miracle
RICHARDTOMLEY10WHARF 1 year ago
Trully amazing! A miracle by the hand of God.
carlyed91 1 year ago
Kapangalan ko po si st. Bernadette ngayon ko lang po nakita an incorrupt body nya.I realy appriciate this.
GenieGem 1 year ago
@unknownsoldier31
Her feast day is April 16th, the day on which she died.
Amadeus586 1 year ago
My friend Culyvan did make a valid point on the mask. A wax ws made of her face sunken eyes and nose and all. Now the nuns at Never still put a light wax on the face every morning to hide the blemishes caused by washing. I must research this but I do believe that a partial mask covers the nose and eyes to raise them, but not the whole face. I will research or I am open to comments.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn I'm sorry for making this an issue. I guess I'm a very late member of the scottish enlightenment. anyway, I enjoyed your songs and I wish you all the best. Believe whatever you like my friend, it's not up to me. slainte.
cullyvan 1 year ago
@cullyvan No, Culyvan. You brought something important to my attention. And anyway if you like my songs Yer free to buiy me a whiskey sometime.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
Contiuation from last post (speaking of liver) "One would have thought that this organ which is basically soft and inclined to crumble, would have decomposed very rapidly or would have hardened to a chalky consistency. I pointed this out to those present, remarking that this did not seem to be a natural phenomenon"
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
The doctor present at the exhumation of the body of St Bernadette in 1925 was a Dr Comte. Here is what he said. " What struck me during the examination, of course, was the perfect preservation of the skeleton, the fibrous tissues of the muscles (still supple and firm), of the ligaments and of the skin, and above all the totally unexpected state of the liver after 46 years.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
As a fellow Scot , basingstokeborn , I have to tell you to "away and bile yer head ya bamstick" . Apart from that I wish you all the best.
cullyvan 1 year ago
"At her third and final exhumation in 1925, it was noted that the "blackish tinge to the face and the sunken eyes and nose would make an unpleasant impression on the public," and so the decision was made to display the corpse with a wax mask." At this point , doctors also made sworn statements that the body was decaying and partially mummified. the photos you see on the Internet of St. Bernadette's beautiful, incorrupt corpse are of a wax mask placed on an obviously mummified body.
cullyvan 1 year ago
@cullyvan Laddie yer a great disappointment to me. Youo obviously looked into it by having found out about the mask, terrific, why did you not tell the rest instead of going `awae wi` the doos`. Sunken eyes and nose have nothing to do with incorruption. And you insulted Dr Comte who exhumed the body. I have posted his comments.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
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cullyvan 1 year ago
Heretics must not allow on this page, in the honor of this page.
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 A little good manners costs nothing.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn Ok.
eraser695 1 year ago
Catholics and non Catholics alike visit Lourdes and Nevers and get a lot of peace from their visits to these shrines, we dont pray to a dead corpse we pray to Our Lord in Heaven and we look towards the Saints as role models and examples of ordinary people who led good lives, we ask the Saints for their help and to intercede to our Heavenly Father for us, its a beautiful gift.
aloysiuskelly 1 year ago
Its a wax mask. It really is. I take it you all know that. Its a wax mask. It;s a fact. Catholics ? Hellooo ?
cullyvan 1 year ago
@cullyvan Thank you for your opinion. Suypposing it is not?
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn No , it is. They have said it is. It's that simple.
cullyvan 1 year ago
@cullyvan I find it strange that you are the only one who knows this. In all dialogue surely there is a necessity for evidence.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn check wiki. check the links from there. Are you really this silly ?
cullyvan 1 year ago
@cullyvan I was there and saw the body. Millions of others have done so. Your trouble is that you are making more of this than you should in order to feel superior to some group - you have a form of racism. There was a BBC Panorama investigation into the body.. What we have is just something science cannot explain a very slow body decomposition. I will not tell you iit is a miracle. But make sure you know what others beleive before you jump into anything.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@cullyvan You know why you are fighting because you dont know the answer of that mystery, you silly heretic. Fight with me. Leave my saint alone. I will give you whatever you want but dont mess here.
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 come put the middle ages my friend.
cullyvan 1 year ago
@cullyvan Middle Ages! Huh... First I want to know that who you are actually? I am a Catholic. I need an answer alike. Whats your religion? Then we'll proceed. I decide my debates accordingly. Ok
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 No religion. I am a rational human being. If something looks too good to be true, it probably is. Sorry to rain on your parade.
cullyvan 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn ....Actually cullyvan is correct! it is wax covering the face and hands. Before it was applied her body was on display and her body was decomposing so very slow that white fungus was beginning to show on her hands and feet especially around the eyes, nose and mouth. It was decided by the Vatican to cover up her face and hands in wax and hired (I think) a french mortician to the task. Some Incorrupt Bodies are so well preserved that the procedure was not used, PADRE PIO is one.
v49624430 1 year ago
@v49624430 The true story is that when she was exhumed in 1925 and found incorrupt the Sisters at Nevers washed her face. This was the wrong thing to do since it left blemishes on the skin. Yes, a light wax goes onto her face every day to hide these blemishes. If a body is corrutpting quckly no waxing will stop the body sinking and shrinking. An undertaker will tell you that.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
she was actually 35 when she died
branie99 1 year ago
I am from Goa and my native Church is dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes. May Jesus, Mother Mary and St. Bernadette bless you basingstokeborn. May they keep you strong in our Catholic faith now and forever, making you stronger day by day. ST. BERNADETTE PRAY FOR US.
MeninodeValpoi 1 year ago
How old is she
TheKavebear 1 year ago
@TheKavebear St Bernadette died at the age of 37. Her soul, her person, her being went to heaven and what we have here is her earthly shell. If you are good at sums this body has remained incorrupt since 1879. But rememger it is not her.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn she was 35 years old.
leojimcarrol 1 year ago
Apparently St Cuthbert of Lindisfarne who is now laid to rest in Durham Cathedral was also an incorrupt.
beowulfsword08 1 year ago
All bodies are buried first. If they were saintly when living they are dug up again at a later date to see if they were incorruptible. These saints were incorruptible.
chase82 1 year ago
what if she wakes up?
Yobidefy 1 year ago
@Yobidefy Well, I will throw all caution to the wind and since she has been dead 132 years I will dare to call it a miracle. What we are talking about is some slowing down in bodily corruption - she is dead.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn shes dead and covered with wax but why does the church still preserve their body? for what reason??
Yobidefy 1 year ago
@Yobidefy First of all it is not the Church who is preserving her body. The official Church keeps its distance. What we have here is what I believe to be a miraculously preserved body, but and this is where the Church is cautious, there may be revealed at some later date and it cannot be ruled out, a natural explanation. It has to be 100% tight case. No there is a light wax on the face but the body internally and externally has not decayed. The body is beter than a picture.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago 9
@Yobidefy yah i stil dont get it why, and is that her real body or its just covered with wax?..
why dont they just bury her body? i feel bad for her coz it looks like she still suffering even though shes dead by looking at her face... we have to move on..we shouldnt always believe in miracles.if were gonna do good things miracle will come to us, if not , then nothing
Yobidefy 1 year ago
you people are jerks and obvisley not catholic...do u beleive in miricles
MrCookieBanana 1 year ago
@MrCookieBanana Well I have been called a jerk and other things in my life but my status as a catholic has never before been questioned. On the question of miracles as far as the incorrupt body of Bernadette I personally believe it is a miracle.But until natural explanations are completely ruled out I cannot argue factually. There could be an explanation At Lourdes. sixty odd cases are given as above natural explanation, miracles though there are thousands I and others would call miraculous
basingstokeborn 1 year ago 2
@basingstokeborn There are hundreds of Incorrupt Saints. Just type "Incorrupt Body of Padre Pio" and see for yourself the Splendor and glory of God confirming His True Holy Catholic Church for this happens no where else.
JDNWF66 1 year ago 8
@basingstokeborn Yes indeed! I admire your religious beliefs. I too am like you with a thnking like yours and a practicing Roman Catholic. St. Bernadette is my saint. At her intercession two powerful miracles took place in my life after praying to her and within seconds of opening my eyes after praying to her. I immediately informed my Parish Priest. I am from Goa and my native Church is dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes. May Jesus, Mother Mary and St. Bernadette bless you basingstokeborn.
MeninodeValpoi 1 year ago
For starters,, WHY would you keep digging her up in the first place.???
secondly she has been coated in wax. There was quite a bit of decay of the body.. but again,, WHY keep diggin her up to check? If you did that with everybody there would be a lot more saints!
xvoy2002 1 year ago
@xvoy2002 There has been in the Church a history of incorrupt bodies going back over a thousand years. The body was dug up twice before 1925 when , having found that the internal organs as well as the skin were incorrupt it was taken as a sign from God of her saintliness. But two things I must say, To be incorrupt is not the proof of sainthood, most do decompose, and this cannot be put forward as a miracle, merely an opinion of sainthood.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@xvoy2002 That it is miraculously preserved is a private belief. Scientifically there could be good reasons that come to light. As you ask how many bodies might there be? And consider the blemishes for which a light wax is put on the face almost daily was caused by the nuns in 1925 washing the face. But this is St Bernadette, not a photo or statue, but her as she was on dying. Of course people are interested.
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@basingstokeborn But that doesn't explain anything.. WHY keep digging someone up to see what the body is like? Makes no sense. Secondly, she is not incorruptible. When doing the reseach,, they did a mold of her face and hands. the only part you can see of her. Then made wax imprints. What you are seeing is a nice wax figure. Nothing more. No miracle.
xvoy2002 1 year ago
@xvoy2002 Strangely you are the one pushing the miracle, I say there could be a natural explanation. There is only a light wax on the face to keep hidden the blemishes made by washing. I saw it and I know. BBC Panorama saw it and there investigator said "I cannot explain it but it is not a miracle" A fair enough comment. There is a history of saints being incorrupt so the Church does dig them up to find out. But as I say it is not a certain sign You should approach this as a man of science..
basingstokeborn 1 year ago
@xvoy2002 ok i have to tell you, I dont know if catholicism is real or god is real at all, but you know what u said doesn't really make sense, we know that most people aren't preserved, and just so you know graves in cemeteries are dug up, when the cemetery becomes full, they reuse graves. With most people (and by most I mean like 99%), they don't see a incorrupted body.
majonee15 1 year ago
@xvoy2002 And also only St. Bernadette's face and hands have been coated, and actually there wasn't decay, her face is actually said to be ju