NOM's Brian Brown Debates Marriage on FOX Business with John Stossel

[cercis621]

A good explanation by Austin Nimocks, Alliance Defense Fund -"The government's interest in marriage is narrow and unique. ... It's never been conditioned upon a couple's ability and desire to find happiness together, their level of financial entanglement, or their actual personal dedication to each other. Marriage laws exist because children are the product of sexual relationships between men and women. And that fathers and mothers are both equally necessary for children.

[seahorse05]

@cercis621 Your specious "good explanation...[of] 'the government's interest in marriage" assertion is bereft of verifiability and empirical support; let alone if it was such a "good explanation," then why wasn't it used in the case where Prop8 was struck down by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in California? The Prop8 proponents used this argument [paraphrased]: Marriage equality will harm str8 marriages." Judge asked, "How?" Answer from Prop8 lawyer: "I don't know, I don't know."

[TWOGUYSWITHTOOLSTV]

BB got smoked... the state should protect whats true n beautiful and good. LOL

[suejeffers]

poor brian, even a fox news audience thinks his tired talking points are laughable.

[edgwaterprog]

Stossle is crackpot libertarian. The promo for the next segment proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[johnrileyit]

Brian Brown is an idiot... he has no argument! I completely agree with Stossel's libertarian views.

[suvariboy]

The Catholic Church was not forced out of the adoption business. They chose to deny the right to adopt to gay and lesbian people. If the Church wants to keep its tax exempt status they're going to have to abide by government rules. If they choose not to abide by those rules, their tax exempt status should be revoked.

Brown is on the wrong side of history and he knows it. He is really struggling with his "argument" for marriage. Gay marriage is legal in Canada since 2005 & no problem!

[edgwaterprog]

@suvariboy Well said. 

[beegbolt]

"Marriage is a public good". Yes Brian, ESPECIALLY when ALL couples are free to do it! Get a clue, dude.

[RainbowLove74]

linked to both parents? as in genes? come on when 1 person in a couple is infertile they get donor sperm or a donor egg etc so they are not biologically linked to both parents it happens all the time.

[ASonOfLiberty1776]

As much as I respect Brian, he completely contradicted himself by saying that the state didn't/doesn't create marriage (which is true) and then saying that the state should uphold "what is good" (meaning heterosexual marriage). That begs the question -- if the state didn't create it, and if marriage supersedes the state, what authority does the state have to regulate it? I agree completely with the other guest -- privatize marriage, and do it as quickly as possible.

[notaniceguy34]

Brown flopped miserably during this debate because he was dull and listless.

[vidhead85]

I hear NOM didn't raise a lot of money in their last fundraiser...Good! They haven't fed a starving child, given to adoption agencies, given school supplies, helped homeless youth and families. They are a leech who feel that the best way to help families is to hurt other families. They claim that they are there to protect marriage but they don't have organizations to help married couples work through their issues. They are hypocrites of the worst kind

[pjb1983]

Isn't "The Blaze" a Glenn Beck creation? So Beck, who keeps promoting himself as a Christian (which he definitely is NOT - he's mormon) is associated with/runs/funds an online entity that supports homosexual marriage. This is what happens when you embrace libertarianism and become concerned only with personal libertine-ism - economic or sexual - and disregard morality based on objective right and wrong.

Nice going, Glenn...and stop calling yourself a Christian. You're not.

[hookemlars]

@pjb1983 Your comments are living proof that religious bigotry is still alive and thriving in narrow minded people. Your narrow definition of Christianity is based on a concept that did not exist before 313 AD.

[pjb1983]

@hookemlars - What I said was not "religious bigotry," it was fact. Mormonism is not a Christian religion because it is not trinitarian - it is polytheist. My definition of Christianity is not "narrow," it is completely founded in authentic, historic Christianity - not a man-made pseudo-christian cult founded by a charlatan in the 1830s.

And do tell, exactly how did the Edict of Milan create a "narrow definition of Christianity" that "did not exist before?"

What was its definition before?

[miguelito777]

Awesome job, Brian. 

[criscoxxx]

@miguelito777 He is obviously a closetted gay.

[criscoxxx]

Marriage is between two people. All this crap about raising children in a secure enviroment. Surely Brian Brown attention should be on the millions who divorce after having kids. The numbers of gays who actually want ot get married is miniscule in comparison.

[kellyannabama]

@criscoxxx why not three or 4 why not young children and adults what about that

[criscoxxx]

@kellyannabama 3 or 4 what wives? That happens already. Does it harm anyone? Gay marriage is about being treated EQUALLY. There would be uproar if blacks or Jews were treated as badly as gays.

[FreedomR48]

"How does re-defining marriage impact my marriage?" To answer that question you first need to understand that a marriage contract has 2 components: A personal contract and a legal contract. Radically changing the state-recognized definition of marriage may have no impact on the personal contract, but has a definitive impact on the legal portion. A definition that is expanded to include any other definition than between a man and a woman, in effect, renders the state portion meaningless.

[vidhead85]

@FreedomR48 "A definition that is expanded to include any other definition than between a man and a woman, in effect, renders the state portion meaningless." I wonder how so...the state will continue to enforce and say who's married to who as well as regulating benefits for married couples, same or different sex.

[00JasonBourne]

"So what" if we deconstruct the most fundamental building block of society? Anyone else have a problem with this?

[MaxiSota]

I am against gay mariage and think the Libertarian won. Marriage was created before recorded history to tie primitive males to children and their mother. Every culture validates the male/female marriage bond. It makes sense to get the government out of the marriage business. Parents should be responsible for child development and support. Marriage becomes a simple contract between two consenting adults. There should only be tax deductions for dependent children, none for just being married.

[seahorse05]

@MaxiSota Lakota chief Crazy Horse had one or two male

spouse(s) and most other Native American nations also had same-sex

marriages. 17th century Fukian Province China, same-sex marriages

between gay men were common. In West Africa, "woman marriage[s]"-a

practice by many tribes. 1552 : In the "History of the Indies,"

Francisco Lopez de Gomara documents men are marrying other men in the

Indies (Caribbean Islands). 2nd Century AD: Roman emperor Elagabalus married a male

athlete: Aurelius Zoticus.

[MaxiSota]

@seahorse05 Nobody is denying there have been gay relationships throughout history, but there is a big difference between a wife and a slave. Clearly none of these were actual marriages, even if they were relationships, they were not "marriages". Any wedding pictures, paintings, certificates, documentation, etc, other than rumors (may want to see if the authors you read were biased, I'm sure there were authors that may have painted slavery in a different light).

[seahorse05]

@MaxiSota The word "marriage" came from the French word "marier" which means to

join and a suffix "-age" which means a state of being or condition.

When combined, "marriage" means any joining with permanence---such as

marrying/joining together two people or two boards of wood. Claims

that differ are false: political BS.

[seahorse05]

@MaxiSota In the journal of the French skeptic and essayist, Michel De Montaigne (1580-1581), he recorded Portuguese same-sex marriages celebrated in a nuptial mass in Rome:

".......They married one another, male to male, at Mass, with the same ceremonies with which we perform our marriages, read the same gospel service, and then went to bed and lived together. ..."

[ryansorba]

Great job Brian!! Stossel sort of tried to play the role of judge here, even though he is biased himself -like you had to convince him. He also packed the audience with Ron Paul types in order to give his t.v. audience the illusion that his position has more support than it actually does. Next time I would highlight that under his plan a man could theoretically marry his grandma or a father could marry his daughter, etc. etc. Then if he says "so what," I would just stare at him like he's nuts.

[galatians328]

Research Libertarianism and you will find it is rooted in Postmodern America Liberalism. Libertarianism is a step closer to Anarchy.

[vidhead85]

@galatians328 not likely