Celibidache - You Don't Do Anything, You Let it Evolve 2/2

[akroasis10]

His renditions of Bruckner last symphonies (7,8,9th) are among the greatest performances, endless in details but with an awesome sense for the whole.

There are surely many of his students around the world but in my knowledge none of them has reached the highest level as performer as the pianist Juan Jose CHUQUISENGO, with amazing recordings by Sony Classical of Ravel, Bach, Schumann, Prokofiev - a young Celibidache on the piano?

[prevalain]

I have seen this documentary on French television and was enthralled by it. I disagree with some comments posted here. All worthy musicians have strong positions on the music they direct. So had Celidibache. Most important is how does his interpretation of Bruckner or Beethoven or any other composer's music help us elevate ourselves to attain the Sublime. The same for Celi's musicians in this video. That is probably what he meant. He was a teacher, not a Gourou.

[meshelle2]

@prevalain- thank you for the details-this is also my point !

[DDBconducts]

Megalomania can be cute when comes with genius (Kleiber) humour (Rattle) or both (W.Allen)

Otherwise it's just pathetic

[DDBconducts]

Eventually.

Sense to me however.

[Bautisnemo]

Stupidity as well when you have a face and a person to talk to. Otherwise is just another anonymous asshole in youtube.

[deandusk]

what kind of a conductor are you?

[martivarlint]

A last detail : he is not the only one who do music but there is greateat musician conductor than him when he was in life : Horensteinn or Barbirolli for exemple. And they don't need to be arrogant and megalomaniac to be great!

[meshelle2]

And if you are a musician is key to go beyond the understanding of the music that you play,to hypnotize the audience and make music an intimate experience.If you listened for example The 7th Symphony 2nd movement op 92 of Beethoven in Karajan optics and any other young or our day conductor you will see they rush the tempo.Going beyond,compare Karajan and the Berlin Orchestra with Otto Klemperer and the Philharmonia Orchestra of London in 61 to see the difference...Thank you!Peace&Love...

[meshelle2]

@martivarlint -are you a musician or a conductor? because if you are,you should have known better!what you say about the school of sound has no relevance in this particular situation-Beethoven rote in a brilliant matter and he didn't do it after "The '50's".You cannot ignore the rest of the components of music just for the sake of accurate propagated sound-your concert hall,like the one from Berlin for example,engineered in a certain fashion for the clarity of sound,will do most of the trick.

[martivarlint]

This video reveal a great "gourou", paranoid and egocentric person. I like very much some of his interpretations but when we hear him talking : it's really " I am the only one who do music and play in a good tempo". Music is not only tempo Mr. The Great Celi! In fact, he is a very great manipulator and intelligent to use some story to create a legend of him. I am sorry but his tempo conception is completly exagerated.

[meshelle2]

Man...what can I say to you...The tempo is the engine of music and then comes the rest to complete it: thematic,metric and character.You know why he is right?Because every musician has a style to approach the music but in an orchestra they have to feel each-other,listen to each-other,be as one body to express an idea and that is hard work my friend.Is not enough to be an excellent executant.You have to detach yourself,anticipate the whole picture while playing your part.

[ilbacioditosca]

@meshelle2 you are wrong when you say that tempo is the engine of music, do you know that conductors like Furtwangler, Klemperer, Celibidache do not set a specific tempo like conductors want to do mainly now after the 50s? the sound sets the tempo, it is call School of sound, when the musicians work really hard to get a strong and proyectable sound in any instrument but mainly in human voices. The instrumentalists copy the human voice and not the oposite as in this era.

[Gonec]

this is it...

[sgabriel]

Hmm. Open my ears, celibi01? Are you a musician, or just a crazed fan?

[Matteo7419]

My God, what a presumptuous... «There will be music after me», so to speak "thanks to me". Shame on you Celi, of course it will be music, even without you!

[Genesisman]

well, you clearly did not understand what he meant. maybe watch it again...

[Matteo7419]

May be in this particular case he was in a rare modest attitude. It's a fact that Mr. Celibidache thought he was "the one". Look at "Celibidache returns to Berlin" and listen: «nobody plays Bruckner, but now you can gain the truth thanks to Celibidache». That's it.

[ilbacioditosca]

HI Matteo do you understand what he means when he speaks about Furtwangler broad tempo and says that nobody else really understand what broad tempo is?

It is a way of making music with sound as the first material, not the rhythm not the tempo, but the sound first.He may be the last one doing that. Baremboim said to continue that but his results are very different.

[vasilisparos]

he was a master..and he knew it...nothing more, nothing less..

[sgabriel]

Doesn't matter what he says in this or that video clip. Celi was one astoundingly arrogant sonofabitch. No argument.

[celibi01]

better to be arrogant than ignorant! How big can a blockhead be not to understand what he talked about, what he demostrated time after time again and again! I can really understand that this can make really agressive and angry! Open your mind and your ears! thats it!

[deandusk]

stick to your planes or helicopters or whatever :-j

[sgabriel]

???

[rattupenigu]

Presuntuoso se non fosse stato così convincente.

[christopherwildman]

No one has ever demonstrated greatness in performance like this ! Amazing!

[thomasgordy]

Anyone who understands "Star Wars" can understand what he is doing: he is guiding them to a point of understanding that they can "let the force be with them"...

Perhaps it's a silly analogy, but then, this is not something which is rational.

Jung would clearly see that the Maestro is guiding his protégés to embrace their musical muses; to engage and play with the higher self, and then to be as one with him, each other and the composition.

In the end, the composer is given new life for a time.

[citicenkern]

Which peace is he conducting in the beginning? Does anyone know?

[citicenkern]

im sorry..."piece" of course...

[rafa149208]

Bruckner of course

[citicenkern]

wich piece exactly?

[bruckner26]

Bruckner no. 4, Adagio

[citicenkern]

THANX!

[bedupaz]

the old man represents a great school of german conductors. he's a great old man and music philosopher. superb!

[omu1verde]

@bedupaz he is actually romanian, he moved to germany to study at the music academy in berlin

[lindenfranz]

Wie glücklich wir sein dürfen, dass es auch nach Celibidache musik gibt.

[costymocanu]

This video here represents a document....!

[WernerPopken]

This video is really touching. I couldn't believe it when I saw it the first time. He is so critical in rehearsals otherwise, and here he is just overwhelmed, working with these young people. Great! Yes, he talks about greatness, he attests them greatness. Thanks a lot for sharing!