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  • its 1.308 cc dammit..its not a piston engine

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  • "The porsche should hold it's value in the secondhand market I suppose"

    HA HA HA HA that made me laugh seeing as how you can get a 924 for 500 bucks.

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  • 2:09 I love popup headlights.

  • My rx7 doesn't buzz at all and easily can shift at and I've shifted at 8,000 a few times

  • 13b is shit without turbo oh ported too

  • He said its equivalent to a 2.3 liter

  • lol what? 25 mpg?!!!?!?! TELL ME HOW YOU GET THAT GOOD OF GAS MILEAGE IN A ROTARY!

  • @Travelerme1 Measure it with imperial gallons instead of US gallons? It's like another 0.8L per gallon then which means more miles since it's more fuel.

  • That porno stash

  • Stupid asses! the Mazda is 1304 cc not 2354 WTF!

  • The porsche has the engine from a van.....

  • Why was it buzzing at 5,000 rpm?? Dot they rev to 8,000?? Or high sevens.

  • ooooooohh power mirrors lol

  • i choose the 924

  • Which are back seats that suit legless dwarfs lol

  • The RX-7 is such a blast to drive.

  • rx 7 fc 13b turbo 2 :)

  • i bought my bro a 1986 MAZDA RX-7 GXL FC3S

  • @WanganRunnerS30 I wish I was your bro :)

  • Wow top gear has improved a lot over the years haha!

    Did anyone else notice when the buzzer sounds at 4:43 the tachometer only shows 5000rpm, which means they didn't match the sounds to the image. Also, this dude is such a boring stiff compared to the modern top gear team. Clarksons top gear is awesome!

  • iz there any rx7 with out the buzzer ??

    

  • @equinekiller32 The buzzer isn't really annoying at all, he just over revs it. I own a mazda rx7 and mine reaches peak power 500rpm before the buzzer comes in, in other words, the buzzer is there to let you know you made a mistake. You won't gain anything by over revving it. Also, the buzzer is hooked up to a separate little speaker, so if you remove the speaker, no more buzzer!

  • ive driven my 84 944 n/a, and my friends 88 fc rx7 gxl...i prefer the 944, stiffer suspension, roomier inside/laid out better, and more get up and go...just compareing those two.

  • Like them both but rotary is my passion and well i love the rx7 better btw yea i agree that guy was short shifting and needs two people one who knows rx7s and one who knows the porshe then we would see who really wins!!:D

  • um... why did they say the rotary is 2354cc when its obviously 1308cc...

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  • he's short shifting at 5000rpm in a rotary you can take it to 6500 7000 rpm

  • The redline buzzer is annoying but I have had it go off without me knowing that I was near the redline, so it does serve its purpose well. I agree that they could have made the buzzer sound better...

  • I had THAT rx-7 in white as my first car! not many had the little black rubber wing, loved the torque but it was a rev high;gear low monster and at 80mph she was howling! Mpg sucked and changing the sparkplugs was like preforming surgery. oil top off every weekend. burnt 1/8 off the dippstick between fridays The wiper switch was the greatest ever designed,sold my mazda and bought a '83 944, liked the porsche better but I've heard the turbo on the rx-7 made it the beast it should have been.

  • the ugliest porsche ever...

  • thanks you very much...... more like shut the fuck up.

  • RX-7 for me, no doubt about it. The Porsche IS a good car, but when you look at the history of Porsche and the history of Mazda then, now, and everytime in between you know that the Mazda is something special and the 924 has been long replaced with the Boxster, but, nothing about that generation of Porsche was particularly special or clever. The RX line always had to be special and clever. The FMR layout, the wankel rotary(bonus for turbo), the suspension, etc. RX-7 all the way.

  • this is comparison to a non turbo 13b! if it were turbo.. there wouldnt be performance comparison!

  • The buzzer might be annoying but it's useful. In my FD RX-7 it would be far too easy to over-rev it without the buzzer. The rotary is such a smooth and quiet (stock exhaust) powerplant that you don't realise how high you are revving it.

    I think it's an endearing feature ;).

  • They needed to use a turbo FC rather than the NA version.

  • Both cars are equally great. It all comes down to price and maintenance in the end.

  • i have an RX7 :D 1987 :P its awesome

  • this porshe is ugly

  • lol you have to rev it to like 7 grand before the busser kicks in and he really isnt taking its engine to its max

  • The gen2. fc3s (89-91) was way better looking. And this isn't even the turbo model =(

  • @Jonathanowns oh i know. when he said the hp i was thinking to myself...ya well check the 89 turbo ii model then start talking

  • is it difficult to take that buzzer out?

  • the 924 looks like a copy of the gen 1 rx7 haha

  • @sof1map actually, mazda did just the opposite and took the design and pop up headlights from the porsche 924 10 years previous :)

  • wow average mpg is 35 for 924 .....thats like a hybrid car!

  • @Zimba9810 it's called good design unlike the cars we had five years later

  • Look at the body rolllllllllllllllllllllll, ha ha ha...

  • @Allanlegacy43 Watch it disappear with the right suspension

  • hahaha 2:49 "thank you very much."

  • Ooooooo! LEGLESS DWARVES @ 2:17!

  • Hahahaa gotta love the shoulder-zippers on that dude's jacket at 2:40 hahaha.... the '80s were awesome.

  • why do you need a buzzer telling you when to shift. the mazda is clearly for blind retards that dont know when to shift.

  • that buzzer was only in the earlier cars for idiots who are trying the car out for the first time and dont wanna ruin the gnine right away

  • @TheDeathpill Buzzer doesn't tell you when to shift. its a Over Rev Buzzer. Due to the Balancing of the engine it was dangerous around 7800 RPM - 8600 RPM. The Buzzer was to alert the Driver to help lower Rotor to Housing Contact. Smart i think

  • rx7 cooler i rekon my mates 7 fuking quick 0-100 in like 6 i think massive turbos!!

  • lol @ the facts at the end. the mazda does not have 2354cc! it has a 1.3L engine.

  • sorry but the mazda RX-7 has a rotary engine so it doesn't need 2354cc

  • umm duh? which is why i said it has a 1.3L engine. 13B, yes i know about rotaries.

  • @dvtc8u actually it is more comparable to 2354 cc's since it has 3 faces on the rotor that are being used at once. the 1.3 liter statement is very misleading and not accurate.

  • the 13b uses two rotors. each rotor displaces 650cc.

  • @dvtc8u that's only one face out of 3, so it's not as simple as that.

  • they're two different engines you can't compare them.

  • @monono954 Yes you can. There is a certain amount of area that is being used for combustion. While they are not the exact same, dimensions are available which is what is used.

  • @gtiiiiiiii what your comparing is every combustion on a 4 stroke to every combustion on a rotary engine. there are three explosions per rotation. on a 4 stroke there is only 1 explosion every 4 strokes, so what your saying is that a 2 stroke engine rated at 49cc's is actually displacing 196 cc's compared to a 4 stroke. they can't be compared at least not without speculation.

  • @monono954

    Compared to a 4 stroke yes a 2 stroke would have more combustion events per crank rotation. The only way to compare apples to oranges is find the common denominator. I never said it was exact, but it puts it into perspective that a rotary is also not a 1.3 liter as the 1.3 liter rating only takes into account one face of the rotor as if it were a 4 stroke engine, which it is not.

  • @gtiiiiiiii what Is being measured is how much air is displaced in one explosion rather than in a compete rotation. Now, if you were to measure how much it were per rotation then it would be in fact 1800cc's per rotor but that is isn't that case, at one given period the engine will only displace 600cc's not more. displacing more air in less time, but in subtotal it is not equivalent to 1800. now if the rotor faces were combined in one then yes it would be 1800cc's but at once it is 1300cc's

  • 3:27 we have 4 wheel steering?

  • why can they use a top of the line porsche and a basic RX-7? i dont get it. and the points he makes are dumb, "i cant see the oil pressure" thats because thats not a stock rx7 steering wheel.

  • top of the line or not, they both are putting down about the same numbers, they weigh about the same, and they were at the time the most opposite rivals, a famous german sportscar, and a japanese rotary, that's why

  • 35mpg that is better then some hybrids haha!

  • i chose for the rx7

  • @TheFastFlo - I chose the 924S and sold it a couple years later because I got tired of getting revved at by every thunderbrick in a souped-up Civic. And I got tired of knowing that if I took them up on their offer, half the time I'd lose. Thing handled like nobody's business though.

  • that redline buzzer is really annoying

  • @1g2002541 that why u rip it out

  • @1g2002541 try driving with it everyday....

  • omg.....almost copy...!

    shame...X(

    I'm Japanese

    I'm sorryy german

    Please think that it is hommage to Porsche.

  • What an idiot! The engine design is german! And the body roll on the 924 was funny. Thats why I will stick with my 87 RX-7 GXL.

  • loooove RX-7 FCs! Wish I could buy a clean TII... I'd drive that thing 'till the wheels fell off...

  • that was the weirdest FC i have ever seen...and i own one! what the hell was that? a 85.5 model? im damn positive my 87 has coil packs and not a distributer....just weird

  • Mazda released an early model of the FC in japan in 85. Im pretty sure that is what he is driving. i had an 86 FC, first official year of the FC, and it had two coil packs. if you also notice the steering wheel is very spartan not really something you would see on a mass production car.

  • its late 85-86 and engine was alot like the s3 12a.Coilpacks are on s4 second edition(MK2)and above.

  • which is why i said that....its an s4 body with a FB 13b

    which i thought was odd

    especially since that FC is part gxl, part sport and part base..its not even a real version

  • oh and please dont say MK2 thats a supra thing not 7

  • actually MK2 means second edition of the series of any car

  • for toyota mazda doesnt use that, AND..anybody that owns a 7 doesnt calls it a mark 2 its either 2nd gen or FC...like i said...its a toyota and euro thing

  • look who gives a fuck im not american.Thats what we call it over here

  • were do you live? in england? ive spoken with people who own rx7's there too and ive never heard any of them call it that...and japan definetly doesnt call it that...and nobody on the forums call it that

  • 137 mph sportscars lol

  • The rx7's buzzer doest come on untill 7k rpm on s4 (86-88), and the rev limiter (cuts fuel) at 7800rpm.

  • thank you very much LOL!!!!!!!!!

  • god that buzzer in the mazda would drive me mad after a day, I would forever be shifitng early to avoid it.

  • it only buzz's at red line, so your probably shifting to late anyway -_-

  • honestly i love the buzzer and anyone who gets in and hears it loves the fact that it does that...its nice to know your car has its own shift buzzer

  • Amen to that

  • I got a 91' convertible rx7 and the guy who had it befor me unhooked the buzzer! I was so pissed lol

  • That probably means your low-coolant and low-oil pressure buzzer is disabled too (they are one and the same) so you should get that hooked back up asap

  • gimp

  • I would love to know how they got 35MPG out of the Porsche!

  • WOW!! haha this show has come a long way from then and boy is it way better and funny!!

  • yeah i agree.. the guy reviewing the FC looks like he fell out of a 60s porn flick...

    The turbo version RX7 would own that porsche.. Did you see the body roll in the corners.. wOw..

  • I think the main problem with the RX-7 is that people (as truenofan said) don't take care of them, but that is probably because they think it's just another Japanese car like a Honda (no one takes THAT much care of a Honda) but a Porsche... people respect these cars, because for 1- they're German made (so they're built very well) and 2- they cost more and are worth more down the road. I own an 87' 924S and a 85' 944 and both are running very well :) *excuse me for being somewhat bias. :D

    7osh

  • don't know what country you all are from? I see them all the time. You live in the States or Europe then im guessing?

  • Thanks for sharing the video by the way, great stuff.

  • It's funny how there are plenty of Porsche 924 944 and 924S's around but you never see an old rx-7. Does this mean they all fell apart?

  • when people dont check the oil, check fluids, and only think its just like any other car the engine doesnt last as long.  thats why you dont see any rx-7's really anymore.

  • I test drove a Porsche 944 before I bought my FC. The RX-7 drives much better, imo. Granted my RX-7 has been babied its entire life and is in fantastic shape.

  • I can't say that I've ever driven an RX-7, but as far as a 944 goes, a 924S is faster, the 944 is heavier.

  • i have a 86 rx7 the bitch is fun to drive

  • Amen. i own one myself :)

  • 2354cc????? it's a 1.3 litres oooh my god !!!!

  • In this country its measured as a 2.4 something to do with in japan the cc is measured by 1 rotor and this country they measure it by both rotors together or something like that.

  • no thats wrong.. The twin rotor in RX7 FC is called a '13b' or '13bT' (if it's a turbo model).. Meaning 1.3 litre displacement for the whole engine you twit.

    No one measures half a V8's displacement.. LMAO.

  • that buzzer is one of the gayest things ive ever seen

  • DAMN!!! Look at that body roll! Get some stiffer shocks, you stupid Brits.

  • That's because they're driving them on a skidpad with /stock/ suspension. That's why it's a /stock/ comparison of the two cars.

  • fuck status symbols.

  • whats the latest? FC or FD?

  • FD is latest

  • 1:41 check out the dizzy got a bit better spark and all the goodies that come w/ it .more mpg and hp from the coil packs that came equipped on this body style rx7

  • ahhh the 13b is amazing FC's are gorges

  • FC, the new RX7? man when is this from 1985?

  • Probably haha

  • The FC didn't even arrive until 1986 :rolls eyes:

  • wow that buzzer must get annoying! they shud have compared it to the 944 instead, which was new back then, like the mazda

  • FC > 924

  • correct

    thats not even the turbo model.

  • I just bought an 86 FC, looks exactly like the one in the vid. same color, same wheels, same spoiler... except it doesnt run :(

  • russel bay is badass

  • awesome dude...

  • OMG!, suddenly it is all clear to me, now I know why the stig listens to such pussy music .. Wan**r!

  • Ahhh!.. do you recon that bearded wan**r of a test driver is the stig in his teens? Hope not, if so I hope he keeps the helmet on for good! Kurt

  • the new rx7 iz well nicer lukin n faster n also expensive

  • Today, the RX-7 are more expensive...

    Almost twice as expensive.

  • im gettin a 3rd gen for $8k..... u just gotta look harder

  • clearly about to go pop

  • TII would have murdered the 924.

  • the porsche has some mad body roll

  • wait...the hatch on the FC is supposed to open by itself?

  • when they were new, ha. not now, lol. the struts lose their strength.

  • that warning buzzer of the rx7 alarms at 5k the red is at 7. i would take it to the limiter if it has one.

  • I shift usually at 6k nowadays in mine, and no there's no limiter in it. :D

  • Look at all that gay body roll on the 924.

  • Homosexual body roll, really?

  • haha

  • topgear has been on for like 30 years, i just took a long break, then clarkson, tiff and quitin took over

  • this isnt topgear

    topgear was only out a few years ago this looks like its from the 80's

  • its says at the start u dick!

  • FC FTW this topgear is crap, topgear isn't topgear without wide man Clarkson

  • Beutiful...i love the rotary engine...i want one but i want the 1991 gt-x in black or red =D and...when i hace the money and time..mount an 20b twin turbo engine =D

  • dude the buzzer is not for the engine its for the clutch so it doesnt fly apart but u can take the bitch up to 10,000rpm easy

  • Mazda WAS the first company to mass produce the wankle rotary piston less engine in a car. Google it or wiki it, its true. if you look at the mazda rx7, it does resemble it, but its still a different look and its lower in general and CG. and if they went with the turbo version of the porsche, they should go with the turbo version of the rx7 as well.

  • Good job Mazda copying 924 at 100%. "Mazda developed the Wankel Engine". Yeh right, tell that to Germans. Felix Wankel was not Japanese. Nor 924 was 100% Porsche, but it's still great German car even today.

  • why do they say the mazda is 2354cc? its only 1300cc

  • The displacement of a rotary is misleading, the car would probably be rated as a 2.6L in competition, as it's a completely different type of engine.

    More to the question is why they didn't test a T2 FB.

  • Er, FC, I mean.

  • Heh, probably because the porsche wouldn't keep up at all with the Tll.

  • 13b would be rated as a 1300cc in racing unless they are in a class of there own then they would go by n/a or forcd induction.... correct me if im wrong

  • Well, I hear different things from different people, but most of the rotards I talk to say a rotary gets about double the HP to displacement ratio of the same grade of boinger.  Hence why a 1.3L in the RX-8's is putting out 250bhp bone stock.

  • because they were trying to make it seem even since its british, and its "unfair" to judge a turbo against a nonturbo and if you notice they never realy take sides on these things.

    with the TII you would have to take sides

  • the rx 7 rev buzzer would have driven me mad !! wonder what the stig would have made of it !!!

  • is he saying mazdra?

  • More like Mazduhr.

  • Give him a break, he's English.

  • It's good to see that cars and Top Gear have come on so much since those days! The delivery style of the presenters is so staid and boring, I love the bit where he over-revs the RX7 causing the car to beep in warning, to which he replies "Thank-you"! Funny stuff! Almost as funny as the line "They're both 130mph sports cars", hahaha!

  • 924 sucks....RX-7 Rules!!!

  • a FD or FC can win 924S

  • mmm love the old skool rx7....944 is a favorite too

  • Is looks like a farkin cerial box rofl my fd has real curves!

  • yeas, just dont try an autocross style left hander with less than 1/4 tank of gas... ping... DONE!

  • The $5k difference you'll make up in gas expense the first year. Both cars would be smoked by a Ford SHO 1989 (0-60 6.6sec).

  • do YOU get the Fact... that the 1987 924S WAS a 944, except for the narrower-924 body? Yep, motor, suspension, everything. The 924S was Faster than the 944 that year because of the better aerodynamics.