Glenn Beck Presents: F.A. Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" (Part 2)

[perdondaris]

You are not very authoritarian about your body if you are conceding your reproductive rights to a state bureaucrat as the right to life movement desires. Or ceding the authority over your body to a boss. The word "boss" comes from the Afrikaaner word for "master" (baas) inferring that you are your boss's slave. Therefore you aren't "authoritarian" with your body if you work for someone else.

[perdondaris]

By the way, every organization is an enterprise---from the Communist Party to the Church of Ladder Day Saints. Applying the word "free" before every noun doesn't make your cause "freedom". The "free market" is manipulated, just like the U.S. government or any other organization. Capitalism is an authoritarian system of economics.

[megatherium100]

@perdondaris Whats wrong with authoritarianism?. I´m authoritarian about my body that is my own an that somebody else can´t dispouse of it as it pleases him, does that make me a bad person because i´m authoritarian to respect to my body?

[cannotbebothered100]

So what is freedom? The freedom to starve without the social order allowed by property rights, including property rights over capital, property rights creating the price and interest system to distract from misallocation of resource/discourage overuse, and to induce investment of capital into the hands of those who can direct it well for dividends for the rentier precisely for that dispersion of control of useful capital that extends good direction for labourers who need it 4 wealth

[perdondaris]

No, it's capitalism. Capitalist philosophers do not understand that capital can be manipulated and used as coercion. Of course the plot of Atlas Shrugged is just this type of coercion, just like a strike or a boycott is the use of economic power as coercion. Christian groups use this all the time to force enterprises to change their policy (in issues as wide ranging as forcing them to stop supporting Planned Parenthood and forcing the Tampa Bay Devil Rays to drop the "Devil" out of their name).

[cannotbebothered100]

Indeed such 'coercion' as allowed by negative property rights is what 'compels' payment for value such that there are both signals as to what is more needed 2 serve the urgent wants of others if you will put in the effort and foresight 2 profitably do so, & signals to prevent the overusage of that resource that with things made free to non payers by State theft actually 'coerces' society 2 remove direct financial incentives for reducing strain on resource, thereby harming the poor.

[cannotbebothered100]

@perdondaris

But I wouldn't understand an 'anti authority' airhead like you to understand the problems of social order and productivity for man's needs so go back to your fantasising about how we can remove 'structural coercion' or whatever you would call it, to remove all social order imputed by customers, vendors, rentiers and indeed all voluntary exchangers in mutually influencing each other to act more productively and less destructively of value, for others' needs.

[cannotbebothered100]

@perdondaris

'but I wouldn't expect' rather

[cannotbebothered100]

Indeed, 'coercion' by negative property rights can include in the price system the incentives for production and discouragement for overuse of those positive externalities considered to require forced State funding, by exclusion from some property bought on covenant to pay the fee to provide that utility, of non payers of that fee in order to organise local positive externalities WITHIN the price system by the same contracts that can segregate incompatible acts from mutual proximity

[theseanze]

These guys fail because they aren't able to engage socialism as anything but brainwashed dogma. Sure, the kids protesting on the Wallstreet might not be too bright, but the original point of Marxism was pretty much what Beck is fighting for here--true equality and freedom to choose work instead of having to submit to cultural fads. Obviously, his one-sidedness is the reason this show isn't on air anymore, but debating whether he's right is pointless if he's not covering the spectrum.

[MrReco12]

"We stand for the maintenance of private property... We shall protect free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible economic order."

Adolph Hitler

Hayek called Clement Attlee a tyrant, a man who never shut down a newspaper, banned a political party, murdered his political opponents etc. whilst he praised Augusto Pinochet.

[soorayHOMS]

@MrReco12 thank you...... Attlee got shit done. considered best prime minister of 19th century

[paulstroie]

REGISTER AS REPUBLICAN TO GET RON PAUL IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE... GOD HELP US..

[Heatherbloom75]

The problem is that the full scope of Keynes theory is not understood by the People who are grasping for Power. There must be BALANCE in the equation that they fail to get. Keynes was also a Brit, so to him "The Govt" was The Monarch. So instead of spending U.S. TAX Dollars by Congress, Power Elites such as Pelosi, Kerry & Rockefeller, Herb Kohl should be spending their own wealth. Instead we are getting Class Warfare--and they are the only ones who win. You gotta vote all of them out in 2012.

[caisamadrid]

Tom Woods is great

[elricmlbone]

Gee Gnomes. I thought it was Keynes who has been refuted and the Austrians are having a resurgence. People like Ron Paul and Michelle Bachman support they ideas of Hayek and Mises. But what would they Austrians know, they only predicted the present situation and all the "mainstream" economists missed it and are still missing it.

[wmarcus1203]

@michaelcasanovamusic dont listen to the liberal socialist who believes in theft and stealing property by the force of government.

[perdondaris]

@wmarcus1203 The liberal socialist doesn't believe in theft but you fasco-cons. Every great fortune is built on a great crime--slavery, genocide and robbery. It is capitalists that steal other people's livelihood by using the government.

[MrWompz]

@perdondaris That's not Capitalism that's Fascism.

[miazagora]

perdondaris watched this video five times.

[5that1dude5]

Why don't we teach Hayek and Keynes in school? Instead of one or the other?

[miazagora]

@5that1dude5 They don't teach Hayek in government school because they want to keep students ignorant. A lot is left out of government school education.

[perdondaris]

@miazagora What a joke! Have you ever been to business school? Or actually any school? I've had plenty of conservative profs.

[Heatherbloom75]

@5that1dude5 I don't know that anyone teaches either in school, at least not public school! Maybe in college, but then only the people who sign up in economics classes or courses. But you're right, they need to teach both. I talked to a man in my congressman's office who blustered "all the leading economists are saying this" (regarding the Stimulus) however, if they are all from the same school and that school is wrong then that would mean they are all wrong not matter which party they represent

[perdondaris]

Listen to the Fascist sing. Here is a list of fascist values: war, competition, capital punishment, the subjugation of minorities and women, antiabortion, antidemocratic, religious tyranny...it goes on and on but the essence of right wing politics including capitalism, fascism, Nazism, theocracy and conservatism is that equality is against human nature. It was a Progressive who fought Hitler--libertarian/conservati­ves like WIlkie and Lindberg wanted to keep America out of the war.

[miazagora]

@perdondaris Libertarians are generally anti-war. A list of Progressive values is: lying, stealing, laziness, killing through abortion and euthanasia, anti-personal freedom, anti-freedom of speech, anti-religious freedom, and slavery to the state. Nazism is a LEFTIST belief - it comes from "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" which translates to the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Charles Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer, so he was on your side, too. Idiot.

[perdondaris]

@miazagora Right wingers aren't anti-war. America has been at war 99% of the history of its existence.And by the way capitalism and conservatism aren't libertarian.Peter Schiff says he wants to nuke Iran.By the way right wingers opposed FDR and opposed WWII.Nazism is a right wing belief because it shares with you the idea that might makes right and the survival of the fittest. Before you go on one of your dumbass rants read Herbert Spencer, the founder of your philosophy,a social darwinist.

[GnomesAmok]

@perdondaris

amen.

[Heatherbloom75]

@perdondaris My father fought in WWII and I'm offended that you're implying people who opposed FDR going to war were doing so because they in anyway supported Hitler or nazism. Your definition of "right wing" being Nazi is a European model of govt, not the American model. Communism is the European "left wing". If you want to know what the right wing and the left wing are in the American model, you need to look to the Founders. It is the "Progressives" that have moved the US back to Europe's mode

[perdondaris]

@Heatherbloom75 I'm not implying Republicans are Nazis. Eisenhower was a Republican who orchestrated the Normandy Invasion and didn't attack the New Deal like Goldwater and Reagan Republicans. There are Nazis and Klansman in the U.S.A. Tom Paine was an atheist and most of the writers of the Constitution were non christian deists. America is part of europe. The writers of the Constitution were Europeans with European religion and culture. There is no exceptionalism nor unique history to the U.S.

[Heatherbloom75]

@perdondaris How do you define "unique history"? That's absurd. History IS--no matter what, UNIQUE, though people seem doomed to repeat it. Yeah, what can we do about Nazis and klansmen? First Amendment gives them rights to free speech even when we don't agree. But I disagree that the writers of the Constitution were not Christians. A few may not have been Fundamentalists--but they were Believers. Public education OMITS religious history. See WALLBUILDERS[dot]com for a more complete picture.

[MichaelCasanovaMusic]

yeah, as a recent highschool graduate......i can honestly say they didnt teach me any of this stuff in school......

[GnomesAmok]

@MichaelCasanovaMusic

Thats because these people are full of shit. Ludwig Von Mises institute is a fringe "pseudo-economist" lobbying group, comprised of lunatics, that NOBODY in economics takes seriously. The Austrian school has been refuted over and over, but like stubborn children, they just keep on parroting the same refuted ideas for no reason.

[Goodatconnect4]

Is Yuri wearing an Adam Smith tie?

[jlor9]

great dumbification of F.A. Hayek's argument Glenn...did you even really read it you drunk disk jockey?

[lawyer4817]

@jlor9 ur so right, i was just thinking that

[veegta83]

@jlor9 I'm in the UK. Glenn talks like a Kids TV presenter, he's very patronising and emotive. I agree with proramme but he does dumb it down far too much.

[DJSardaukar]

@jlor9 Someone has to dumb it down for the masses... they sure don't teach anything about Hayek in public school which is as far as some people get, and that's exactly the group of people that needs to hear this message the most.

[MrReco12]

@DJSardaukar

Hayek's ignorance is only surpassed by his hypocrisy. He pretends to be against fascism but than he endorses Pinochet's fascist dictatorship. The only real free market is the black market(Where child pornograghy, drugs etc. are sold).

"We stand for the maintenance of private property... We shall protect free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible economic order."

Adolph Hitler

[DJSardaukar]

@MrReco12 Hope your parents didn't spend a lot of money on your education. If they did, they got ripped the fuck off. lol

[MrReco12]

@DJSardaukar

brilliance response.

no argument just mindless abuse.

Maybe when beck retires you can take his place.

[ThunderAppeal]

@MrReco12 You australians are an ungrateful bunch of turds. If it werent for Amercica and its captialistic powerhouse your whole fucking island would be subservient to the japanese.

[MrReco12]

@ThunderAppeal

HAHAHAH!

The Japanese never planed to invade Aus, their army was focused in China.

[ThunderAppeal]

@MrReco12 Its idiotic comments like yours that make me lament that America actually helped defend australia during WW2.

[AussieAustrianBlog]

@ThunderAppeal Don't bring yourself down to his level ;)

[ThunderAppeal]

@AussieAustrianBlog Australia makes some of the finest cars, and normal decent Australians have every reason to be proud of their nation. Just not retards like recturd.

[MrReco12]

@AussieAustrianBlog

If you believe in Hayeks's nonsense so much while don't you move to the US.

[AussieAustrianBlog]

@MrReco12 Refuting you is child's play...I've got bigger fish to fry.

[MrReco12]

@AussieAustrianBlog

well if you think "refuting" someone simply requires cheap put downs than i truly feel sorry for your lack of intellect!

[Mick680]

@MrReco12 cant believe i'd have to say this, but dont believe everything Hitler said. He was among the biggest advocates of peace in the 30's...but we all know what happened

[Heatherbloom75]

@Mick680 Right! His propoganda was so good that people today even throw up he was a "Christian" too. Beyond the surface, he followed the occult. Truly he did anything he damn well pleased to grasp Power. Caveat: I've read there was a heretical teaching that was rejected by Christianity that Some Churches followed that led to persecution of the Jews. He used that for justification and people submitted. Then it was too late, but Righteous Among the Nations risked themselves to save Jewish people.

[davenetdog]

Thank you. And Thank God for Glenn Beck!

[JohnGaltSpeaking1981]

Hayek warned us and gave us the ammo necessary to prevent it. It's up to us to pass along the message.

[helpupass]

The greatest book i ever read.

[Nintendomanwill]

If you could be imprisoned in concentration camps in the USSR for reading the Road to Serfdom they'd probably have removed your genitals with a drill and suffocated you with them for reading Mises' unparalleled polemic against socialism entitled 'Socialism.' It was one of the first expositions of economic theory that claimed that socialism is *impossible* because it collectivises capital goods, i.e producer goods, into 'public' monopoly disposition so no exchange therefore no money prices 4 cptl

[Nintendomanwill]

@Nintendomanwill

Not that you can solve this by 'Third Way' policies that allow prices for privately owned factors of production but government redistribution of consumer goods. This is because wars, huge bureaucracies and useless welfare-leeching population requires expenditure that people will be unwilling to pay without inflation so you induce the State to grow interminably with Third Way policies, thus inducing theft of market money by bank embezzlement to enable inflationary fiat money.

[Nintendomanwill]

The 3rd Way is the product of spurious 'synthesis' of Socialism and Capitalism, deficient of the insight that enabling rational economic activity through property rights is key, not extending bureaucratic irrationality over other people's moneyt

Tax revenue to provide for the poor will have consequences by raising prices through decumulating savings of those goods. Then what? Price controls? Say hello to shortages by artificially low ceilings of diminishing returns in production of that product