imagine if someone showed you a picture of someone standing infront of a row of tanks.... no context. why would that mean anything. ask a chinese person living there. they are happy and free to do what they want within reason. you actually have less rights as an american now, im serious you are mostly fed propaganda.
I think what should be understood is that developing country=developed country so don't expect see developed country situation in developing country we can't not compare
After the boy said in chinese "1989" at 09:16, the other girl, referred by the journalist as "making no connection", actually replied to the boy "好像是", meaning "it seems so". How could those reporters missed that??? She knew what they were looking at, please! They just couldn't say it!
Why do western do gooders constantly bash the chinese system when it was a similar system that saw their own nations become prosperous albeit over one hundred years ago instead of in the modern age?
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not saying I agree with the Chinese system of repression but it would be hypocritical for myself as an Englishman to condemn the very system that led my own country into it's greatest age of prosperity. This film noted the fact that the pesants are being left behind in the wake of industrialisation but the exact same thing happened in England. Maybe we'll see a Ludite style group develop in China to rebel against the industrialisation.
What I mean is that I myself think that our industrial revolution was necessary to fulfill our potential as a World Power although people suffered as a concequence it was important for us to move forwards as a nation. Although the stories we hear of Chinese brutality are somewhat chilling, one cannot possibly expect their government to reamin in the primary economic stage in order to please those who are confortable with the status quo.
Funny thing,the United States is ALSO doing the exact same shit. The USA is also tightening up the police with security cameras every 5 miles in the cities and highways.
They too are also NOT paying me my money they claim in their contracts.
wasnt the UN built to stop things like this from happening.......... like pieces of crap dont do shit all but sit on their asses and watch everyone die. fuck the UN you aint no better then the league of nation that allowed the holocaust to go through.
@DandMHarrison that why we need to reform this planet and get rid of bankers all together and figure out a new system that can get everyone equal rights, freedoms and privileges.
The thing that pisses me off is that while the workers slave away for bad conditions and low wages, China itself (the politicians and businessmen) get paid bank from countries like the U.S. for knick nacks that the people are slaving away at making. While they get paid shit, the state gets bank. :(
To build Beijing National Stadium, China did every dirty thing including stole salary from those poor migrant workers. Bravo China, rather have something to show the world than invest money on improving rural ppl's lives.
Soon though the tension will mount up again and the Chinese people will try another revolt. When this happens they may get lucky, or may not. Eventually though such an obviously corrupt government will fall and the government needs to realise this and make some changes. I think the people will try again quite soon as the revolutions in the middle east will spread even further.
those students are lying, they will be prosecuted if they say something in public against Chinese government. This reporter is just trying to stir up the mud. You could get them in trouble.
Nah. I live in China and many people that age have no idea. I remember when youtube was first banned in 2009 due to all the videos popping up about the massacre's anniversary. We talked about in the office and only four people (all in their late 30s, early 40s) knew about it. All my other workmates had absolutely no idea.
2:38 I'm sorry but this guy is talkin out his ass. The only people who benifit are the CEO's, the majority of American's don't want jobs sent overseas. It's not like Average Joe Schmoe is like "Yea!! I want my company to send my job overseas so I can't work it anymore, thus leaving me unemployed and unable to barely provide for my family." Unemployment sucks dude, doesn't matter what country it is. At least the people have jobs.
@TheIrocube Would you with population at 1 billion? It's just too much. Chinese need to control the population growth or they are going to consume the world.
Funny how America only picks on non-democratic nations when they can't do a single thing what so ever to fight back.
To think, they have all the weapons in the world and they don't even dare to criticize the government, when the unarmed Chinese people dare to rush into gunfire for incredibly basic human privileges.
I think the "land of the brave" should change their slogan, because they sure as hell stay in the woodwork when things get a bit spooky for them.
With all the news and media how many Americans would be able to tell that their Gov lied to world about Iraq and massacred more than million people for greed of oil? How many of American students would be able to say that their Gov installs and nurtures brutal dictatorial regimes world wide? Mind control by brainwashing is far more dangerous than censoring. This video actually undermines the western propaganda of massive brutal massacre at Tianamen Square!
Sportsman, who participated in olympics, bullshiting, that they don't want to get involve in polytics, but what politics there is when we talk about human rights...
Wow, I like the fact they made sure to include the government watchdogs in the video. So we are left to question this whole situation... But on a sidenote, why the heck would China be so open to let us view some of this? >_>
@Tom531Cat Why the Chinese Communist Party would let us see this stuff: They don't care that we know about it, so long as we're still buying stuff made in China.
you fucked up the whole documentary from part IV. you should have kept with the tank man story. this is just another video that says nothing. In the end, China has done what the US would want to do too : have capitalism, and fullpower.
No, these students were neither baffled nor stupid. They knew exactly what the picture was about, they just weren't stupid enough to sacrifice the life they're working hard for by getting caught saying something which would piss off the government.
i think i would cut my wrists if i would live in china and be forced to work 13h/day, everyday for 7 years, just to survive. i think prison in better. an communism never really existed, communism is and was just an excuse and a facade for dictators. communism never existed, only dictatorships. and communism sadly, only works on paper, it can not work in reality.
@xhugox13 The sad thing is the cleverest kids know everything and pretend know nothing, then you guys measure their cleverness based on your own intelligence and make a not so clever conclusion.
@xhugox13 you would be surprised if you came to china and realize everybody in Beijing knows about the tiananmen massacre. It's impossible to hide. Did you not know listen to the film? The post tiananmen deal bro. CPC gives them huge economic growth and a rising standard of living in exchange for blindly following the communist party.
Also, regarding the modern slavery bit, the film left out that china in the last 30 years has taken more people out of poverty than any country in history, ever.
@xhugox13 Why should you put hate on your family? is that right to tell your kid how badly your father was hitting you when you were a child? so if the answer is not. Then why would you allow a teacher to tell your kid such a brutal thing?
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I think the last part with the studenst show why so many still like China today; they don't remember! And THAT is the difference between democracy and communism!
yeah right. tell me, do you know why the first Iraq war happened? What happened with the Faulklands? How the apartheid was taken down?
Few people know. It's just general indifference. Communism or democracy - it makes no difference. Either you forget it from good life, or the truth is hidden. And there are plenty of people who remember Tiananmen and the Tank Man in China.
@ka4estvo I assume you are talking about Nelson madela when you say apartheid? Then yes, I know about those events! I even learned some of them in school! And I most certainly know about all the wars sweden ever entered, or all the protesters swedish troops slaughtered! Because it's kinda something good to know (and because we never did any of those things, but if we had I would've known)!
@lulle103 Well then I'm happy for you. But really, how many people know about this stuff? I'm constantly surrounded by people oblivious about their history. And they're studying history, by the way. So it's kind of sad. But us talking here about China won't help really. It has been China fate for 2000 years to live in cycles of atrocities and flourishing. That's how the republic came to power in 1913, then Mao in 1949. Someday everything will change. Maybe we will witness it.
@lulle103 I think that they do know what the picture is, they are just afraid of saying it. The boy did whisper "89" to the girl. If they do tell the truth to foreign journalists, the university might expel them and their future would be ruined. I'm actually worried for the boy for his whispering. I just hope that he didn't get mistreated by the authorities.
@AquaExecution you can easily tell that from their hesitation.....most they have to be politically orthodox to the party in order to survive...my history teacher was fired after his mention of Tienanmen massacre
Don't underestimate these Chinese students. Western media is so naive to expect these students to speak their mind. The Chinese in general are known for not speaking their mind. What would these students gain by telling the Western media what they know ? They would have much to lose if they gave 'inappropriate' answers.
No dicen nada porque esta absolutamente prohibido hablar de la masacre en tian'anmen todo le tienen miedo al gobierno yo vivi ahi un año y medio y fue lo primero que me aconsejaban no hablar del tema. pero claro que saben que es!
this sucks. first it was about the great unknown rebel, who i think is my generations greatest icons (his photo is my desktop wallpaper). but now this documentary has become a bashing of china. seriously, if the chinese dont have any problem that why do u bother. if capitalism was so great then how come the western world has become the biggest victim of recession. even though china has communism, they still managed to tackle the global recession. so leave them be
@ez0545 Did you not listen to a single word? Obviously the Chinese people DO have a problem. Or else there wouldn't be huge protests and people still being censored up the ass, and being stabbed and shot for fucked reasons. Obviously workers wouldn't be trying to commit suicide from being subjected to the treatment they're going through, if they didn't have a problem with it! This video documentary isn't trying to bash china, it's trying to liberate it! Get a fucking clue.
@Vilemk0 didnt u listen to a word. this doc started as something then turned into something else. and u r talking about protests and censorship!!!! tell me which country doesnt have them???? every country in this fucking world has problems. and as it turns out china has lesser problems than anyone else. they dont need any liberation. its u guys capitalist fuckers who needs to liberate ur minds and see that the next economic giant (communist) china
@ez0545 For starters I'll state that I don't root for any country. I may have been born in the U.S, but I hold no useless nationalism syndrome for it. I view with unbiased eyes, and judge from evidence. You seemingly didn't understand a word I said, since it's quite clear that no country is censor free. However the fine line between censorship and dictatorship is very clear. Obviously you're to arrogant to acknowledge that China crosses that line. Pull your head out of China's ass.
@ez0545 On levels of censorship? China wins the motherfucking censorship Olympics. The things that go on in China are made clear in this video, despite the Chinese government trying to smear and contain it. You acting like you're butt hurt because now it's been made known around the world, doesn't change anything. The people of China wanted freedom, and they received bullets and threats. Ending with a false sense of peace that shits on the little guys. Aka the workers of their country.
@Vilemk0 the tiananmen protests happened in 1989 but its 2010 more than 10 years have passed. i dont c anymore chinese ppl protesting. they are happy with their govt. and let them be. listen, every county has problems. u say u r from usa. ask any factory worker of ur country and they will say that they r unhappy with their authority same goes for china every ppl have problems with authority. that doesnt mean u uproot the govt. ppl of china has seen what communism has brought them
First of all don't even compare the sweat shops in China to factories in the U.S. The only thing communism ever brought were tanks and a hail of gunfire towards any opposition. And you speak like as if because this happened in the past, that it should be forgotten. I still don't excuse what happened from 1608 to the late 1800s. When injustice is done, people remember and learn. The Chinese government is trying to rewrite it's history by hiding the crimes they committed in the past.
@ez0545 It wasn't until China finally accepted capitalism that it began to grow at the extreme rate it has. This documentary shows the result of the corruption behind that growth, and reveals the starting cause of where it all began. Educate yourself before trying to speak for an entire nations so called happiness.
About the "workers not getting payed" part from the lady, is there any proof or interview? If she just heard this from someone else, remember almost 80% of the information that was delivered mouth to mouth is unreliable. I learnt this in my psychology class
@SsnoL0 If by proof you mean people jumping from buildings in threat of committing suicide for losing a years worth of pay? Yes, there is proof. It's splattered all of the ground.
@Vilemk0 Well, your fancy words doesn't change any fact. They may sound convincing in a public speech, but from a scientific and responsible perspective towards this issue, your speech doesn't provide any further evidence of "lots of people don't get payed". Instead, you are trying to relate suicide rate to not getting payed. Japan has one of the highest suicide rate in the world (go to google and search up this fact if you don't believe), are you saying Japan don't pay their workers?
@Vilemk0 I'm not saying thatI'm not going to believe the fact. I will believe the fact deeply if it is supported by sufficient reliable evidence. But I won't accept your bias that is basedon your personal prejudice. Andevidence should not be a single case of worker don't get payed, it should be a reliable research that shows a lot of workers don't get payed. If you can only find a single instance, don't bother show me, because few workers don't get payed happens all over the world, I have proof.
@SsnoL0 LMFAO! A Single CASE?! Google "Worker Commits suicide in china." And you'll find dozens of cases! Do you know how many people have committed suicide in china for this reason? It certainly wasn't only one case! Do some research! Unless you're in china! Then you're fucked! The working conditions and environment lack any sense of dignity and are sweat shops at best. How is a video showing with actual undeniable evidence to the claims, my personal bias? The video doesn't lie my friend.
@SsnoL0 Do you want a recent example? I'll send you a personal message to an article where 10 workers committed suicide to get a 30 percent raise. I mean, so many people have committed suicide, that some companies have started placing anti suicide NETS around their buildings! NETS! lmfao It's so hilariously corrupt and obvious it's sad.
Shit happens. Suicide is one this SHIT. When you got China's population numbers will be gigantic. The chinese are not the kind of people who will fall to their knees in desperation. Their history is full of blood and death and sacrifices. And what do you know? It's the oldest living civilization on earth. The modern communists are NOTHING compared to eunuchs at the end of a few eras. Like the Han dynasty. Or the Ming. Or the Tang.
@ka4estvo Actually that's wrong. Egypt would be considered much older. However, you obviously don't understand the conditions these people work under. And the pitiful pay they receive, if they receive any at all. It is corrupt, and this is obvious. Sweat shops don't just happen. They're used to take advantage of a poor people, to meet the demands of a product. Now that this has been exposed, we get apologists like you to come try and excuse the atrocities. You are a disgusting person.
@Vilemk0 And where am I making excuses? I'm not redeeming this regime, I convict all of them. Everything has two sides. And people only see it when something becomes history. What will be said of this China in 200 years? Even though many lives were lost, the country became a giant again. Qin Shi Huang Di was a terrible man, but if not for his first unification of China, who knows what would've happened. You're looking at China too much from a western point of view.
@ka4estvo Yes I recognize this as well, but it came at a price. The point of acknowledging this, is being hopeful in fixing it. Perhaps I jumped on you to soon. You can't really blame me, considering the majority of the comments I've responded to have been apologists for Foxcon.
@SsnoL0 It's not mouth to mouth, they do have documentation about this. I remember reading an article about the rising rates of suicide in China some 5. I didn't make connection between the article and this until I got to see this documentary some 3 years ago on the History Channel. An exploited workforce is an unhappy workforce, it;s ironic that a party meant to help the workers of it's nation would so easily abuse it's own workers.
I WOULDNT BELIEVE BOOKS AND THEORY!! EVERYTHING IS JUS A THEORY IF NOT BACKED BY PROOF!! EXPERIENCE THIS FOR YOUR SELF!! HOW CAN ANYBODY GIVE A PERCENTAGE OF MOUTH TO MOUTH INFO OVER SUCH A HUGE WORLD POPULATION!! U THINK YOUR HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE BOOKS ARENT WRITEN AND TAUGHT IN A BIOS WAY!! 80 % OF WHAT POPULATION!! WHO DID A WORLD STUDY!! THEY GET THESE NUMBERS FROM SMALL SURVEYS!! EVEN A MILLION PEOPLE STUDY AS MICRO NOT MACRO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even if the students were only pretending not to know what they were looking at, is that ultimately any better than not knowing? What kind of society stops its people from acknowledging important recent history?
The politicians and businessmen don't give a damn about the people from they're own countires, why shoulded they care about other people from otehr coutnries
, they have oen goal, to become friends, make money, and ignore the others, the poor. They all have one goal, to destroy teh middle class, eatehr making them their lakeys or make the corupt and rich or they make the poor and unsignificant
the students obviously did know a bit about it, as one of them wispered 89, which was when it happened and how would he have know that? i think they pretended not to as it would have been dangerous for them to reveal that they knew about something that was illegal in China and they were obviously not stupid students..
@marcohahaha i know lots of people don't, but at least 2 of these students do because they knew the date, and if they knew the date they knew what is was.. since it is illegal to talk about it, they were not going to admit they knew, lots of people dont know, i accept that and i thin kits sad, but i still believe at least 2 of those students did
@collapseofthedollar I think the point is, that despite the fact they are still supposedly a communist regime, they mistreat a majority of their people terribly. Hundreds of millions swapping one form of agrarian poverty for another is not a sign of a country that has theie people as their first priority...
I appreciate this documentary very much, insofar as it galvanizes people who are in a position to make a positive difference (which are most people in the west, actually), but cynically, I wonder if it doesn't also send another message: "Put up with what you've got cause look, your life could be a whole lot worse."
But wake up! We're all headed down the same path -some are merely closer to the brink of the voracious slave-market sand pit than others. It eats people whole and spits out product.
Oh god it's terrifying what girls who are the same age as me have to do for their families. 13 hours a day 7 days a week. They must be so tired and lonely and just want to go home. I am incredibly lucky.
@rabbitwho This is not just China, you will see the same in the Philippines and in Malaysia and Vietnam and so on and so on. Many of these workers take performance enhancing drugs to be able to work longer.
@GaolisVideoLog ah, sorry, i had this mixed up with another comment where I asked "Is this video available in Chineese" and everybody responded by telling me about censorship in china instead of answering the question. Sorry.
@rabbitwho Ah, this particular video, I don't know. Sorry. However I do know that many chinese university students have pirated copies of documentaries about the tian'anmen massacre and also books they purchased on the black market. Just ask them about "天安门事件 (tian an men shi jian). What is amazing though, is that almost nobody I know, knew about the tank man.
@rabbitwho Some even asked me if that video was fake. It is amazing how such things can so easily be forgotten. You know, I'm from the Philippines, back in the days, we used to have a dictator called Ferdinand Marcos, he was terrible. I was just 1 year old when the revolution occured. But nowadays, hardly anyone of the people my age knows about these things. It's the same as in China. It's all been forgotten within such a short amount of time.
Some Chinese Nationals always Jive talk and knows too much about their motherland China but their brains wasted enoght to defend their country's devil's act like what they did in Beijing 1989...
I was in Beijing during the summer in 1989, I knew the whole event . but , if I were interviewed ,and also if I were living in China , I would answer it just as same as these guys Unfortunately .
@maomao667 so your telling me that you are proud of China's Government and their acheivements? You are proud that the Tiananmen Square Massacre was the right decision? Tell me, what are you thinking? When I said afraid, I did not mean overthrowing the government, I meant afraid to tell the world the truth if you were being interviewed by westerners and monitored by Chinese govt officials. As a defendent of China, why shouldn't you be ashamed?
I feel deeply sorry for what happened in 1989. But if the protest had not been cracked down, China would have been the second east europe or Russia, which means China's economic growth and infrastructure development would be nothing today.
@maomao667 The point is, money is not the specific issue in China. They are doing very well today. Censorship and lack of human rights is what China is lacking. However, no matter how much we complain about human rights issues and other ethical choices that China is lacking, the real question remains, will anyone truly want to do anything about it?
@maomao667 Wait a second, I am very curious about something. You mentioned Chinese government. Why do you trust the Chinese Government to fix the problem? Well, why do you trust the Chinese Government at all? Everyone knows that China still have lots of corruption (even the citizens of Hong Kong knows this) so why trust somebody that can't be trusted? Im not saying the government can't change, Im saying dont trust the government so early at this stage. Let the people fix their own problem.
@maomao667 I know that. But just because a political party has the right to make decisions in the "interest" of the people, it should be the people who decides what is in their best "interests". Well, make a another rally like Tiananmen. This may sound absurd considering what history has proven in 1989, but do you truly think that China can attack their own people again? I think not, back in 1989, the world was unaware, now the world is watching and CCP will give in eventually.
@maomao667 "Changing People's Views"? Please clarify. Do you mean changing the citizen's views or changing the government's views because there is a huge difference. Plus it is true that China is changing step by step but it has only been a little over 2 decades (approximately 21 years) and still I don't believe the Chinese government is apologizing for the Tiananmen Square massacre.
@maomao667 ah but there is the issue of knowing and interpreting. Knowing is what you believe it to be while interpreting is understanding through speech or through others. How can you be so sure that people in China (especially in urban areas) can truly understand what happened? For example, during the assassination of JFK (USA) the government told the people what you see or hear is not true (people were beginning to be suspicious of a conspiracy regarding the CIA).
@maomao667 even to this day, nobody really understood what happened and still question whether Oswald killed JFK or was it really a conspiracy covered up by the US Government. Can you be sure that people in China have changed with little or no influences by the government? Read the book Animal Farm and if you did you would know what I was talking about. A person's memory can be easily distorted with enough time and influence from within the community.
@maomao667 the point being, Communism does not work. Does it have the chance to work? Yes it does. But only in theory. People need a goal as a motivation to work. China gives that motivation through higher wages. China becomes motivated and is now almost on top of the world. So what is the problem? Well higher wages and different in social status is what we call "Capitalism". How can a country be Communist and Capitalsts at the same time? Well, they can't. So how does China stay Communist?
@maomao667 It clearly cannot stay Communist. You can't make the economy run but at the same time not help the people. Soon their would be a big gap between the middle class/rich and the poor. What happens next? Well, look at Russia.
@maomao667 hmmm enlighten me. Tell me the main reason for the collapse of the soviet union. I think the main reason is the huge difference between the economy and utilizing democracy way too early especially with their economic deficit. Put please tell me your answer if mine is incorrect.
@maomao667 pretty smart for China to learn from Russia, but developing the economy at full potential would have bad long term effects. Sure the economy is doing well now, but for how long? By utlizing the economy to its full potential, only a selected few would be able to fully benefit the fruits of their labour. However, most of the population will remain poor or out of work.
I think it is terrible china didn't tell the truth...
XiaoDanDragon 1 month ago
imagine if someone showed you a picture of someone standing infront of a row of tanks.... no context. why would that mean anything. ask a chinese person living there. they are happy and free to do what they want within reason. you actually have less rights as an american now, im serious you are mostly fed propaganda.
brocomeatmebro 1 month ago
I think what should be understood is that developing country=developed country so don't expect see developed country situation in developing country we can't not compare
BILASI4U 2 months ago
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MrNaffifire 3 months ago
At least here we work only to 9pm wow, So if they start at 5pm they must work 16 hours a day .....
1Zacatecas3 3 months ago
@1Zacatecas3 your logic amazes me!
trewkiko 2 months ago
Where is part 7?
TheMightyOdin 4 months ago
After the boy said in chinese "1989" at 09:16, the other girl, referred by the journalist as "making no connection", actually replied to the boy "好像是", meaning "it seems so". How could those reporters missed that??? She knew what they were looking at, please! They just couldn't say it!
taytoy 5 months ago 9
Why do western do gooders constantly bash the chinese system when it was a similar system that saw their own nations become prosperous albeit over one hundred years ago instead of in the modern age?
superdan1875 5 months ago
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schizoidchimp 4 months ago
@schizoidchimp
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not saying I agree with the Chinese system of repression but it would be hypocritical for myself as an Englishman to condemn the very system that led my own country into it's greatest age of prosperity. This film noted the fact that the pesants are being left behind in the wake of industrialisation but the exact same thing happened in England. Maybe we'll see a Ludite style group develop in China to rebel against the industrialisation.
superdan1875 4 months ago
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schizoidchimp 4 months ago
@schizoidchimp
What I mean is that I myself think that our industrial revolution was necessary to fulfill our potential as a World Power although people suffered as a concequence it was important for us to move forwards as a nation. Although the stories we hear of Chinese brutality are somewhat chilling, one cannot possibly expect their government to reamin in the primary economic stage in order to please those who are confortable with the status quo.
superdan1875 4 months ago
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schizoidchimp 4 months ago
Funny thing,the United States is ALSO doing the exact same shit. The USA is also tightening up the police with security cameras every 5 miles in the cities and highways.
They too are also NOT paying me my money they claim in their contracts.
Employment is modern day slavery.
TheUnderNetwork 6 months ago
So, this proves that communism is better than capitalism?
Fyapowar 6 months ago
@Fyapowar It is but...THis is not communism lol
salvadro9298 6 months ago
wasnt the UN built to stop things like this from happening.......... like pieces of crap dont do shit all but sit on their asses and watch everyone die. fuck the UN you aint no better then the league of nation that allowed the holocaust to go through.
nateextreme0969 7 months ago
@DandMHarrison that why we need to reform this planet and get rid of bankers all together and figure out a new system that can get everyone equal rights, freedoms and privileges.
nateextreme0969 7 months ago
9:34 ohhhh they know alright. They know. They just can't say it out loud because the government watchers are right there in the room.
fruitikay 7 months ago
The thing that pisses me off is that while the workers slave away for bad conditions and low wages, China itself (the politicians and businessmen) get paid bank from countries like the U.S. for knick nacks that the people are slaving away at making. While they get paid shit, the state gets bank. :(
fruitikay 7 months ago
China is amazing ! we should copy their bastard model! perhaps this world wont be so fucked like now!
Acafewithme 7 months ago
America is extremely jealous of China and the Chinese.I have no respect for white "journalists" they will always portray China in a negative light.
beshnola 8 months ago
To build Beijing National Stadium, China did every dirty thing including stole salary from those poor migrant workers. Bravo China, rather have something to show the world than invest money on improving rural ppl's lives.
Queeniedg88 8 months ago
Soon though the tension will mount up again and the Chinese people will try another revolt. When this happens they may get lucky, or may not. Eventually though such an obviously corrupt government will fall and the government needs to realise this and make some changes. I think the people will try again quite soon as the revolutions in the middle east will spread even further.
DanSids1988 8 months ago in playlist The Tank Man
On June 4th, 1989 tanks rolled into Tiananmen Square crushing a peaceful pro-democracy demonstration.
bloodyhawk989 9 months ago
Not getting paid for a year??!! Holy crap...that would suck big time.
raydeen1 9 months ago
China and North Korea are both the same...perfect partners
raydeen1 9 months ago
FUCK SOCIAL INJUSTICE.
shaygahweh 10 months ago
those students are lying, they will be prosecuted if they say something in public against Chinese government. This reporter is just trying to stir up the mud. You could get them in trouble.
outlawdevil 10 months ago
@outlawdevil
Nah. I live in China and many people that age have no idea. I remember when youtube was first banned in 2009 due to all the videos popping up about the massacre's anniversary. We talked about in the office and only four people (all in their late 30s, early 40s) knew about it. All my other workmates had absolutely no idea.
matterofact 10 months ago 4
to maintain the stability of China , every possible means can be considered if there is no other way around.
What would u do in that situation?
GUAGUAGE 11 months ago
2:38 I'm sorry but this guy is talkin out his ass. The only people who benifit are the CEO's, the majority of American's don't want jobs sent overseas. It's not like Average Joe Schmoe is like "Yea!! I want my company to send my job overseas so I can't work it anymore, thus leaving me unemployed and unable to barely provide for my family." Unemployment sucks dude, doesn't matter what country it is. At least the people have jobs.
48scorion 11 months ago
@48scorion I think by saying "multinationals," he meant exactly those people, the CEOs, those actually directly that benefit from huge profits.
ArtD42 11 months ago
wow.
the Chinese government just doesn't give a fuck.
TheIrocube 11 months ago
@TheIrocube Would you with population at 1 billion? It's just too much. Chinese need to control the population growth or they are going to consume the world.
Lachausis 8 months ago
Click video "Show Video Statistics" next to the Number of views.
"This video is most popular in:"
The Tank Man lives on.
jmquez 1 year ago 24
Funny how America only picks on non-democratic nations when they can't do a single thing what so ever to fight back.
To think, they have all the weapons in the world and they don't even dare to criticize the government, when the unarmed Chinese people dare to rush into gunfire for incredibly basic human privileges.
I think the "land of the brave" should change their slogan, because they sure as hell stay in the woodwork when things get a bit spooky for them.
TheFacelessActivist 1 year ago
@TheFacelessActivist i agree with you man
MrDaniel199019 1 year ago
this is where american industry went.. at least we had unions and workers rights.. its sad
PLUSHAIRPLANECARPET 1 year ago
this is where american industry went
PLUSHAIRPLANECARPET 1 year ago
yeah, corporate fascism
Terrorkarel 1 year ago
With all the news and media how many Americans would be able to tell that their Gov lied to world about Iraq and massacred more than million people for greed of oil? How many of American students would be able to say that their Gov installs and nurtures brutal dictatorial regimes world wide? Mind control by brainwashing is far more dangerous than censoring. This video actually undermines the western propaganda of massive brutal massacre at Tianamen Square!
The Tank Man laughs at USA!
ToiletProjectIndia 1 year ago
Sportsman, who participated in olympics, bullshiting, that they don't want to get involve in polytics, but what politics there is when we talk about human rights...
rycka1983 1 year ago
Wow, I like the fact they made sure to include the government watchdogs in the video. So we are left to question this whole situation... But on a sidenote, why the heck would China be so open to let us view some of this? >_>
Tom531Cat 1 year ago
@Tom531Cat Why the Chinese Communist Party would let us see this stuff: They don't care that we know about it, so long as we're still buying stuff made in China.
thexalon 9 months ago
3 beautiful ladies. you can tell how it really is. so sad :(
xn117 1 year ago 2
If you believe Tiananmen Square has been overlooked by your town,
simply get yourself a piece of cardboard, write "Tiananmen Square?" on it,
and stand on the side of the busiest road you can think of within your town,
Let the world know... starting with your own city.
1nicholasseminatore1 1 year ago
@1nicholasseminatore1 Have you done this?
Exilitas 1 year ago
The looks on the students faces..
are also painted in America
1nicholasseminatore1 1 year ago
you fucked up the whole documentary from part IV. you should have kept with the tank man story. this is just another video that says nothing. In the end, China has done what the US would want to do too : have capitalism, and fullpower.
MiculPrint 1 year ago
@MiculPrint Agreed. But.. Don't assume thats what the American PEOPLE want. American people, American government. Two totally different groups.
America2470 1 year ago
Isn't this pretty much the industrial revolution is Great Britain before all the reformers?
HeyBenjo 1 year ago
Something in my stomach twisted, when I remembered all the stuff in my home with those cute "Made in China"-labels...
Lolznator 1 year ago
Anyone know what the building in 8:00 is called?
colibriosis 1 year ago
How could they forget!
hildegarde07 1 year ago
modern day slavery
rehndawg 1 year ago 84
@rehndawg
ya guess things really haven't changed much after all...
manikmati 1 year ago
@rehndawg that's real life, only way to survive.
johnsoncuiChina 1 year ago
@rehndawg modern day slavery in china, US, etc. Whoever controls the food, controls the world..
Fatal616 1 year ago
@rehndawg take a look at american prison system before you say that
brocomeatmebro 1 month ago
No, these students were neither baffled nor stupid. They knew exactly what the picture was about, they just weren't stupid enough to sacrifice the life they're working hard for by getting caught saying something which would piss off the government.
Reazzurro90 1 year ago
sad thing is that all our countries are paying them to be more powerful than us.... good job us
kthrnbeh 1 year ago
i think i would cut my wrists if i would live in china and be forced to work 13h/day, everyday for 7 years, just to survive. i think prison in better. an communism never really existed, communism is and was just an excuse and a facade for dictators. communism never existed, only dictatorships. and communism sadly, only works on paper, it can not work in reality.
drevilatwork 1 year ago
@drevilatwork the same can be said about true capitalism. tell us something we don't know
gameworks344 1 year ago
@drevilatwork I hear you man and those guys that are only paid at the end of a year are being f@#k by the people in charge.
Wake23434 1 year ago
the sad thing is that they teach there kids nothing about the massacre and tell them lies so they can remain in power
xhugox13 1 year ago 76
@xhugox13
You've been in schools in china am i rite?
AznDuD333 1 year ago
@AznDuD333 My family is of cuban descent and i know how communists/ Military dictatorships work
xhugox13 1 year ago
@xhugox13
if china was just like cuba, chinese communist party would have collapsed long ago
AznDuD333 1 year ago
@AznDuD333 yep most likely, but then again why are the castro's still there ?
xhugox13 1 year ago
@xhugox13 the party at present controls the past, so it will stay in power and controls the future.
120891314 1 year ago
@xhugox13 The sad thing is the cleverest kids know everything and pretend know nothing, then you guys measure their cleverness based on your own intelligence and make a not so clever conclusion.
Vivianius 11 months ago
@xhugox13 you would be surprised if you came to china and realize everybody in Beijing knows about the tiananmen massacre. It's impossible to hide. Did you not know listen to the film? The post tiananmen deal bro. CPC gives them huge economic growth and a rising standard of living in exchange for blindly following the communist party.
Also, regarding the modern slavery bit, the film left out that china in the last 30 years has taken more people out of poverty than any country in history, ever.
70haircuts 9 months ago
@xhugox13 Yes in that way China is as bad as North Korea
030terror 7 months ago
@xhugox13 Why should you put hate on your family? is that right to tell your kid how badly your father was hitting you when you were a child? so if the answer is not. Then why would you allow a teacher to tell your kid such a brutal thing?
Acafewithme 7 months ago
4.32 - 'no evidence of abuse on the Olympic sight'
WHAT ABOUT THOSE THAT WERE EVIDICTED ON THE SITE??
sleonardani 1 year ago
COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY!!!!!!!!
taikogi 1 year ago
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MADE4FETTI 1 second ago
MADE4FETTI 1 year ago
悲哀。是中國人應該要知道。
kratistoeo 1 year ago
@kratistoeo 他們不可能不知道，只是不敢說而已
AquaExecution 1 year ago
I think the last part with the studenst show why so many still like China today; they don't remember! And THAT is the difference between democracy and communism!
lulle103 1 year ago
@lulle103
yeah right. tell me, do you know why the first Iraq war happened? What happened with the Faulklands? How the apartheid was taken down?
Few people know. It's just general indifference. Communism or democracy - it makes no difference. Either you forget it from good life, or the truth is hidden. And there are plenty of people who remember Tiananmen and the Tank Man in China.
ka4estvo 1 year ago
@ka4estvo I assume you are talking about Nelson madela when you say apartheid? Then yes, I know about those events! I even learned some of them in school! And I most certainly know about all the wars sweden ever entered, or all the protesters swedish troops slaughtered! Because it's kinda something good to know (and because we never did any of those things, but if we had I would've known)!
lulle103 1 year ago
@lulle103 Well then I'm happy for you. But really, how many people know about this stuff? I'm constantly surrounded by people oblivious about their history. And they're studying history, by the way. So it's kind of sad. But us talking here about China won't help really. It has been China fate for 2000 years to live in cycles of atrocities and flourishing. That's how the republic came to power in 1913, then Mao in 1949. Someday everything will change. Maybe we will witness it.
ka4estvo 1 year ago
@lulle103 I think that they do know what the picture is, they are just afraid of saying it. The boy did whisper "89" to the girl. If they do tell the truth to foreign journalists, the university might expel them and their future would be ruined. I'm actually worried for the boy for his whispering. I just hope that he didn't get mistreated by the authorities.
AquaExecution 1 year ago
@AquaExecution you can easily tell that from their hesitation.....most they have to be politically orthodox to the party in order to survive...my history teacher was fired after his mention of Tienanmen massacre
120891314 1 year ago
Lol people at uni cant see the fucking context of a picture that's so simple??? Its unbelievable!
jonathanburr89 1 year ago
@jonathanburr89
Don't underestimate these Chinese students. Western media is so naive to expect these students to speak their mind. The Chinese in general are known for not speaking their mind. What would these students gain by telling the Western media what they know ? They would have much to lose if they gave 'inappropriate' answers.
weswmilton 1 year ago
No dicen nada porque esta absolutamente prohibido hablar de la masacre en tian'anmen todo le tienen miedo al gobierno yo vivi ahi un año y medio y fue lo primero que me aconsejaban no hablar del tema. pero claro que saben que es!
dreamer6510 1 year ago
this sucks. first it was about the great unknown rebel, who i think is my generations greatest icons (his photo is my desktop wallpaper). but now this documentary has become a bashing of china. seriously, if the chinese dont have any problem that why do u bother. if capitalism was so great then how come the western world has become the biggest victim of recession. even though china has communism, they still managed to tackle the global recession. so leave them be
ez0545 1 year ago
@ez0545 Did you not listen to a single word? Obviously the Chinese people DO have a problem. Or else there wouldn't be huge protests and people still being censored up the ass, and being stabbed and shot for fucked reasons. Obviously workers wouldn't be trying to commit suicide from being subjected to the treatment they're going through, if they didn't have a problem with it! This video documentary isn't trying to bash china, it's trying to liberate it! Get a fucking clue.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@Vilemk0 didnt u listen to a word. this doc started as something then turned into something else. and u r talking about protests and censorship!!!! tell me which country doesnt have them???? every country in this fucking world has problems. and as it turns out china has lesser problems than anyone else. they dont need any liberation. its u guys capitalist fuckers who needs to liberate ur minds and see that the next economic giant (communist) china
ez0545 1 year ago
@ez0545 For starters I'll state that I don't root for any country. I may have been born in the U.S, but I hold no useless nationalism syndrome for it. I view with unbiased eyes, and judge from evidence. You seemingly didn't understand a word I said, since it's quite clear that no country is censor free. However the fine line between censorship and dictatorship is very clear. Obviously you're to arrogant to acknowledge that China crosses that line. Pull your head out of China's ass.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@ez0545 On levels of censorship? China wins the motherfucking censorship Olympics. The things that go on in China are made clear in this video, despite the Chinese government trying to smear and contain it. You acting like you're butt hurt because now it's been made known around the world, doesn't change anything. The people of China wanted freedom, and they received bullets and threats. Ending with a false sense of peace that shits on the little guys. Aka the workers of their country.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@Vilemk0 the tiananmen protests happened in 1989 but its 2010 more than 10 years have passed. i dont c anymore chinese ppl protesting. they are happy with their govt. and let them be. listen, every county has problems. u say u r from usa. ask any factory worker of ur country and they will say that they r unhappy with their authority same goes for china every ppl have problems with authority. that doesnt mean u uproot the govt. ppl of china has seen what communism has brought them
ez0545 1 year ago
First of all don't even compare the sweat shops in China to factories in the U.S. The only thing communism ever brought were tanks and a hail of gunfire towards any opposition. And you speak like as if because this happened in the past, that it should be forgotten. I still don't excuse what happened from 1608 to the late 1800s. When injustice is done, people remember and learn. The Chinese government is trying to rewrite it's history by hiding the crimes they committed in the past.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@ez0545 It wasn't until China finally accepted capitalism that it began to grow at the extreme rate it has. This documentary shows the result of the corruption behind that growth, and reveals the starting cause of where it all began. Educate yourself before trying to speak for an entire nations so called happiness.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
About the "workers not getting payed" part from the lady, is there any proof or interview? If she just heard this from someone else, remember almost 80% of the information that was delivered mouth to mouth is unreliable. I learnt this in my psychology class
SsnoL0 1 year ago
@SsnoL0 If by proof you mean people jumping from buildings in threat of committing suicide for losing a years worth of pay? Yes, there is proof. It's splattered all of the ground.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@Vilemk0 Well, your fancy words doesn't change any fact. They may sound convincing in a public speech, but from a scientific and responsible perspective towards this issue, your speech doesn't provide any further evidence of "lots of people don't get payed". Instead, you are trying to relate suicide rate to not getting payed. Japan has one of the highest suicide rate in the world (go to google and search up this fact if you don't believe), are you saying Japan don't pay their workers?
SsnoL0 1 year ago
@Vilemk0 I'm not saying thatI'm not going to believe the fact. I will believe the fact deeply if it is supported by sufficient reliable evidence. But I won't accept your bias that is basedon your personal prejudice. Andevidence should not be a single case of worker don't get payed, it should be a reliable research that shows a lot of workers don't get payed. If you can only find a single instance, don't bother show me, because few workers don't get payed happens all over the world, I have proof.
SsnoL0 1 year ago
@SsnoL0 LMFAO! A Single CASE?! Google "Worker Commits suicide in china." And you'll find dozens of cases! Do you know how many people have committed suicide in china for this reason? It certainly wasn't only one case! Do some research! Unless you're in china! Then you're fucked! The working conditions and environment lack any sense of dignity and are sweat shops at best. How is a video showing with actual undeniable evidence to the claims, my personal bias? The video doesn't lie my friend.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@SsnoL0 Do you want a recent example? I'll send you a personal message to an article where 10 workers committed suicide to get a 30 percent raise. I mean, so many people have committed suicide, that some companies have started placing anti suicide NETS around their buildings! NETS! lmfao It's so hilariously corrupt and obvious it's sad.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@Vilemk0
Shit happens. Suicide is one this SHIT. When you got China's population numbers will be gigantic. The chinese are not the kind of people who will fall to their knees in desperation. Their history is full of blood and death and sacrifices. And what do you know? It's the oldest living civilization on earth. The modern communists are NOTHING compared to eunuchs at the end of a few eras. Like the Han dynasty. Or the Ming. Or the Tang.
ka4estvo 1 year ago
@ka4estvo Actually that's wrong. Egypt would be considered much older. However, you obviously don't understand the conditions these people work under. And the pitiful pay they receive, if they receive any at all. It is corrupt, and this is obvious. Sweat shops don't just happen. They're used to take advantage of a poor people, to meet the demands of a product. Now that this has been exposed, we get apologists like you to come try and excuse the atrocities. You are a disgusting person.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@Vilemk0 And where am I making excuses? I'm not redeeming this regime, I convict all of them. Everything has two sides. And people only see it when something becomes history. What will be said of this China in 200 years? Even though many lives were lost, the country became a giant again. Qin Shi Huang Di was a terrible man, but if not for his first unification of China, who knows what would've happened. You're looking at China too much from a western point of view.
ka4estvo 1 year ago
@ka4estvo Yes I recognize this as well, but it came at a price. The point of acknowledging this, is being hopeful in fixing it. Perhaps I jumped on you to soon. You can't really blame me, considering the majority of the comments I've responded to have been apologists for Foxcon.
Vilemk0 1 year ago
@SsnoL0 It's not mouth to mouth, they do have documentation about this. I remember reading an article about the rising rates of suicide in China some 5. I didn't make connection between the article and this until I got to see this documentary some 3 years ago on the History Channel. An exploited workforce is an unhappy workforce, it;s ironic that a party meant to help the workers of it's nation would so easily abuse it's own workers.
vguyver2 1 year ago
@SsnoL0
I WOULDNT BELIEVE BOOKS AND THEORY!! EVERYTHING IS JUS A THEORY IF NOT BACKED BY PROOF!! EXPERIENCE THIS FOR YOUR SELF!! HOW CAN ANYBODY GIVE A PERCENTAGE OF MOUTH TO MOUTH INFO OVER SUCH A HUGE WORLD POPULATION!! U THINK YOUR HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE BOOKS ARENT WRITEN AND TAUGHT IN A BIOS WAY!! 80 % OF WHAT POPULATION!! WHO DID A WORLD STUDY!! THEY GET THESE NUMBERS FROM SMALL SURVEYS!! EVEN A MILLION PEOPLE STUDY AS MICRO NOT MACRO!!!!!!!!!!!!
MADE4FETTI 1 year ago
We were like this in north america and europe not long ago. History is literally repeating itself.
They need to unionise and push for fair treatment. It could be a lot worse than this, but it could also be a lot better.
EternityThought 1 year ago
@EternityThought yes... we were like this... communism has killed over 100m people since its been used.
bteeuwen 1 year ago
@bteeuwen Capitalism has killed its own fair share of people, my friend.
EternityThought 1 year ago
Wow.
Even if the students were only pretending not to know what they were looking at, is that ultimately any better than not knowing? What kind of society stops its people from acknowledging important recent history?
This is amazing stuff.
11Jamie11 1 year ago
its like Dubai too
Bangkokokhoo 1 year ago
My heart weeps for these people! They are such a beautiful and hard working people. They need much better rewards for their efforts!
mossrun 1 year ago
@mossrun I agree! Now I'm pissed off that China hosted the Olympics, it's a slap to the face to what it represents!
deathtap 1 year ago
CHINA HELP THE POOR DON'T INGNORE THEM LIKE YOU DID WITH THE TANKMAN CUZ BECAUSE OF HIM YOU HAVE CAPITALISM AND RICH
siralucard19 1 year ago
The politicians and businessmen don't give a damn about the people from they're own countires, why shoulded they care about other people from otehr coutnries
, they have oen goal, to become friends, make money, and ignore the others, the poor. They all have one goal, to destroy teh middle class, eatehr making them their lakeys or make the corupt and rich or they make the poor and unsignificant
siralucard19 1 year ago
the students obviously did know a bit about it, as one of them wispered 89, which was when it happened and how would he have know that? i think they pretended not to as it would have been dangerous for them to reveal that they knew about something that was illegal in China and they were obviously not stupid students..
xoxodavidtennantxoxo 1 year ago
@xoxodavidtennantxoxo you be surprise how many actually don't know about it.
marcohahaha 1 year ago
@marcohahaha i know lots of people don't, but at least 2 of these students do because they knew the date, and if they knew the date they knew what is was.. since it is illegal to talk about it, they were not going to admit they knew, lots of people dont know, i accept that and i thin kits sad, but i still believe at least 2 of those students did
xoxodavidtennantxoxo 1 year ago
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collapseofthedollar 1 year ago
@collapseofthedollar I think it sounds more like an antislavery tirade.
TheNorthernSun 1 year ago
@collapseofthedollar I think the point is, that despite the fact they are still supposedly a communist regime, they mistreat a majority of their people terribly. Hundreds of millions swapping one form of agrarian poverty for another is not a sign of a country that has theie people as their first priority...
JerkJiggler 1 year ago
I appreciate this documentary very much, insofar as it galvanizes people who are in a position to make a positive difference (which are most people in the west, actually), but cynically, I wonder if it doesn't also send another message: "Put up with what you've got cause look, your life could be a whole lot worse."
But wake up! We're all headed down the same path -some are merely closer to the brink of the voracious slave-market sand pit than others. It eats people whole and spits out product.
MrChirpsky 1 year ago
Oh god it's terrifying what girls who are the same age as me have to do for their families. 13 hours a day 7 days a week. They must be so tired and lonely and just want to go home. I am incredibly lucky.
rabbitwho 1 year ago
@rabbitwho This is not just China, you will see the same in the Philippines and in Malaysia and Vietnam and so on and so on. Many of these workers take performance enhancing drugs to be able to work longer.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog I know that. Can you answer my question?
rabbitwho 1 year ago
@rabbitwho Ah, You didn't ask anything.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog ah, sorry, i had this mixed up with another comment where I asked "Is this video available in Chineese" and everybody responded by telling me about censorship in china instead of answering the question. Sorry.
rabbitwho 1 year ago
@rabbitwho Ah, this particular video, I don't know. Sorry. However I do know that many chinese university students have pirated copies of documentaries about the tian'anmen massacre and also books they purchased on the black market. Just ask them about "天安门事件 (tian an men shi jian). What is amazing though, is that almost nobody I know, knew about the tank man.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
@rabbitwho Some even asked me if that video was fake. It is amazing how such things can so easily be forgotten. You know, I'm from the Philippines, back in the days, we used to have a dictator called Ferdinand Marcos, he was terrible. I was just 1 year old when the revolution occured. But nowadays, hardly anyone of the people my age knows about these things. It's the same as in China. It's all been forgotten within such a short amount of time.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
i'm glad i don't live in that crappy country
klasco1991 1 year ago
sadly the new generation dont actually know about what happen in june that year
because its not in the text books
teabag92887 1 year ago
the point of view is not fair as far as i can tell.
gfantasy1 1 year ago
wtf
gfantasy1 1 year ago
Post Tian'anmen deal? What a load of bull shit
achounz 1 year ago
Human Rights Now !
dglshenry4 1 year ago
Some Chinese Nationals always Jive talk and knows too much about their motherland China but their brains wasted enoght to defend their country's devil's act like what they did in Beijing 1989...
bilibara 2 years ago
I was in Beijing during the summer in 1989, I knew the whole event . but , if I were interviewed ,and also if I were living in China , I would answer it just as same as these guys Unfortunately .
tjdongjian 2 years ago
@tjdongjian why? because you are afraid of the government or ashamed of what China has done?
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
hmmmm...
interestiing, why would I feel ashamed of what China has done ? And Why would I be afraid of Chinese government ?
I have never tried to overthrow it.
Your comment is meaningless. =)
maomao667 2 years ago
@maomao667 that question was towards tjdongjian.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@maomao667 so your telling me that you are proud of China's Government and their acheivements? You are proud that the Tiananmen Square Massacre was the right decision? Tell me, what are you thinking? When I said afraid, I did not mean overthrowing the government, I meant afraid to tell the world the truth if you were being interviewed by westerners and monitored by Chinese govt officials. As a defendent of China, why shouldn't you be ashamed?
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
Of course, I am proud of China's acheivements. Because China has got economic power, military power, man power that she didn't have before. And
China is no longer a weak country that was invaded by western agreesors before.
maomao667 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
I feel deeply sorry for what happened in 1989. But if the protest had not been cracked down, China would have been the second east europe or Russia, which means China's economic growth and infrastructure development would be nothing today.
maomao667 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
The CCP made a huge mistake when the protest began.
They shouldn't have used troops, tanks and guns to crack down the protest. Because these things are for self-defence of a country.
They should have sent thousands of armed policemen with clubs, riot-shields and high pressure guns.
maomao667 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
I was born in China. I have been witnessing the stunnig changes that happened in China.
maomao667 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost Both. I think it's the right time to change.
tjdongjian 1 year ago
China has 1.4 billions people, which means China is not lack of man power.
Without cheap labour, China will go into crisis or bankrupcy.
It is the cheap labour that makes China's stunning growth real.
maomao667 2 years ago
@maomao667 The point is, money is not the specific issue in China. They are doing very well today. Censorship and lack of human rights is what China is lacking. However, no matter how much we complain about human rights issues and other ethical choices that China is lacking, the real question remains, will anyone truly want to do anything about it?
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
Yes, the problems remain.
But I can tell you the Chinese government is trying to solve them.
maomao667 2 years ago
@maomao667 Wait a second, I am very curious about something. You mentioned Chinese government. Why do you trust the Chinese Government to fix the problem? Well, why do you trust the Chinese Government at all? Everyone knows that China still have lots of corruption (even the citizens of Hong Kong knows this) so why trust somebody that can't be trusted? Im not saying the government can't change, Im saying dont trust the government so early at this stage. Let the people fix their own problem.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
In China, CCP controls everythiing, which means only CCP has the power to do the reform.
maomao667 2 years ago
@maomao667 I know that. But just because a political party has the right to make decisions in the "interest" of the people, it should be the people who decides what is in their best "interests". Well, make a another rally like Tiananmen. This may sound absurd considering what history has proven in 1989, but do you truly think that China can attack their own people again? I think not, back in 1989, the world was unaware, now the world is watching and CCP will give in eventually.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
Of course, CCP won't do bloody massacre again.
China is changing step by step.
The only way for China to become a democratic country is Changing people's views over generation and generation.
maomao667 2 years ago
@maomao667 "Changing People's Views"? Please clarify. Do you mean changing the citizen's views or changing the government's views because there is a huge difference. Plus it is true that China is changing step by step but it has only been a little over 2 decades (approximately 21 years) and still I don't believe the Chinese government is apologizing for the Tiananmen Square massacre.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
You don't know how much people have changed in China.
Actually, there are more and more people know what happened in 1989.
And more people has started discussing whether China needs democracy.
Only idiots would think no Chinese knows Tiananmen massacre.
maomao667 2 years ago
@maomao667 ah but there is the issue of knowing and interpreting. Knowing is what you believe it to be while interpreting is understanding through speech or through others. How can you be so sure that people in China (especially in urban areas) can truly understand what happened? For example, during the assassination of JFK (USA) the government told the people what you see or hear is not true (people were beginning to be suspicious of a conspiracy regarding the CIA).
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@maomao667 even to this day, nobody really understood what happened and still question whether Oswald killed JFK or was it really a conspiracy covered up by the US Government. Can you be sure that people in China have changed with little or no influences by the government? Read the book Animal Farm and if you did you would know what I was talking about. A person's memory can be easily distorted with enough time and influence from within the community.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@maomao667 the point being, Communism does not work. Does it have the chance to work? Yes it does. But only in theory. People need a goal as a motivation to work. China gives that motivation through higher wages. China becomes motivated and is now almost on top of the world. So what is the problem? Well higher wages and different in social status is what we call "Capitalism". How can a country be Communist and Capitalsts at the same time? Well, they can't. So how does China stay Communist?
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@maomao667 It clearly cannot stay Communist. You can't make the economy run but at the same time not help the people. Soon their would be a big gap between the middle class/rich and the poor. What happens next? Well, look at Russia.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
@AssassinGhost
Do you really think China will become the second Russia ? Come on.
Let me ask you a question. What's the main reason that resulted in the collapse of soviet union ?
maomao667 2 years ago
@maomao667 hmmm enlighten me. Tell me the main reason for the collapse of the soviet union. I think the main reason is the huge difference between the economy and utilizing democracy way too early especially with their economic deficit. Put please tell me your answer if mine is incorrect.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
Like CCP, the soviet union government also controled everything.
But the economic problem is the main reason why it collapsed.
So that's why CCP chooses to develop economy at full potential.
Plus, soviet army also started disobeying their party before the collapse.
However, in China. army is still on CCP's side.
maomao667 2 years ago
@maomao667 pretty smart for China to learn from Russia, but developing the economy at full potential would have bad long term effects. Sure the economy is doing well now, but for how long? By utlizing the economy to its full potential, only a selected few would be able to fully benefit the fruits of their labour. However, most of the population will remain poor or out of work.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago