For you progressives, one would think you'd realize this is a wake up call. America by and large is rejecting your liberal agenda and your redistribution of wealth. High taxes, more power in Washington and your centrally planned economy doesn't fly.
See how the right wingers lie to cover their asses? It is a mater of documented FACT the Clinton Administration left a $1.5 trillion surplus. Lie all you want - it won't change anything. liar.
More lies from modern day Nazi GOP. All they know are lies. Just Google "Nazi left wing or right wing" and all sources that agree with me are educational institutions and academics. Those who don't are all shit for brains racists with an axe to grind. The right wing & lies go together like chocolate and peanut butter.
ANY "educational institutions" you could cite -- and you can't -- would OBVIOUSLY have "an axe to grind" since ANY "proof" they could cite of Conservatism being similar to Nazism would be patently false. -- As in completely, utterly, and irrevocably incorrect.
Your stupid chocolate & peanut butter analogy is as divorced from reality.
Funny how your agenda fucked the nation up whereas mine stoked the economy to its most prosperous levels in peace time yet you somehow think Im the idiot. You out of touch pie in the sky douche bags had 8 years. EIGHT YEARS. What did you do with the Clinton surplus? You wasted it, fell asleep at the wheel and allowed 9-11 to go down, launched a needless $30 million per day war in Iraq and gave obscene tax cuts to the wealthy. Fuck head you are the problem, and you are being dealt with.
Growing and federally backing twin $1,000,000,000,000 GSE's that effectively nationalized the mortgage industry, & radically altered the tens of $ trillions in derivative markets spawned thereby, ISN'T "my agenda".
Your endless demonstrations of your extensive ignorance, even of some of the most well known political dynamics & events of our era, continues to impress.
Hitler was (as many of the Nazi leaders) a CHRISTIAN. So much so the Nazi developed "Positives Christentum". It was a Christianity modified to fit within the Nazi agenda. Socialism not only requires the workers control of the means of production it also rejects institutional religions. This myth the Nazis were left wing is a recent construct only first seeing light of day after the GOP rigged the US presidential elections. Nazi = GOP. Its just that simple.
Fascists were rather well regarded by Liberals up until the West European type showed their fangs. Mussolini & FDR had a lot of love for one another.
We both know you're not dumb enough to not know that, regardless of how desperately you fake otherwise.
I don't know, Perhaps your ignorance is genuine. Regardless, the very term Liberal-Fascism was that proposed by a LIBERAL, as a self-title. -- Look it up.
Nope - you are obviously a far left nut case. Reagan is the greatest President the U.S. has ever had. He saved us (temporarily) from your party's German cousins.
Reagan? LMAO! Bonzo pissed away tax payer money making his friends rich and busting unions. Did you know he gave a speech to a veteran's association one time and claimed he actually fought in WW2? His aide quickly reminded him it was a movie he shot. The old pussy stayed state side as the Liberals won the war. Fuck Reagan I was so glad to hear of his slow agonizing death from Alzheimer's. It's supposed to be hell on Earth. GOOD. He deserved it. Fuck him, fuck his legacy. Let him rot.
The reason your ilk MUST resort to ad hominem e.g. "Fuck Reagan I was so glad to hear of his slow agonizing death" is that addressing the politics is never an option for Liberals. You guys are keenly aware of how idiotic and indefensible yours are.
Your hope is that the adjective "conservative" has some magical ability to absolve your political ilk -- Liberal fascist -- of their Nazi politics.
Right Obama is a Liberal fascist. I can tell by your fucked up attitude youve never know hard work or need. Affordable health care for all is Obamas fascism? You whiney little prick. Youve had it too good for too long. Its time you blood suckers pay your fair share. The free lunch is over and you dont want to hear that.
H.G. Wells (D) Stated - in a speech he gave to the "Young Liberals" at Oxford in 1932 - that he wanted to "assist in a kind of phoenix rebirth" of liberalism as an "enlightened Nazism"
TRUST me, I'm NOT an obfuscating Leftist; I have NO reason to lie about YOUR politics. (A is A)
Too bad that quote does nothing to clarify the reality of the situation the Nazis were very much in keeping with your kind. I know you right wingers love to re-write history (WMDs anyone) but any reputable historian agree with me. Nazis & GOP both on the same side of the coin. Sorry.
You ignore the evidence to cling bitterly to your socialist dogma, which contradicts it. Here's some more evidence for you to ignore:
Nazis & Dem's -- judicially segregate the citizenry into protected and unprotected sub-classes.
Nazis & Dem's -- take outright government ownership over all media, or 90% control of all media, thereby imposing an effective gag order against dissent, and then pose as the victim.
Your politics REQUIRE you to so aggressively reject reality.
Five and 19 dead in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996, 224 dead at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998, 17 dead on the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000.... to name a few. -- I wouldn't necessarily call that peace
Your endless attempts to equivocate your nefarious politics are getting stale.
FDR & Mussolini were rather cozy until FDR could no longer be so. It is only with hindsight that today's socialists know enough to distance themselves from fascism. Back in the day, the idea was rather attractive, much like most socialist siren songs.
PS: You abandoned your own thread to avoid my point, which debunked your Leftist mythology.
If you had worth while ideas I might spend some time on your posts but you just had 8 years and fucked the country up. "Peace" time under Clinton meant there was no massive sustained military conflict that would have artificially inflated the economic indicators. Youve got such a hard on for getting me you swinging wild and getting no where. Why would I complain? My President is running the show. It's you who cry endlessly.
Look at my agenda - Clinton, 1.5 trillion surplus, peace time, largest boom ever outside of war time.
Your agenda - bush $10 trillion debt, economic collapse (spare me the excuses we all know it's the GOP's fault) 5,000 dead troops, 9-11, death, misery, destruction.
Your endless attempts to proselytize your toxic ideology is as amusing as your ignorance of the fact that the liberal beloved fascist organizations (FNM & FRE) and fascist regulations (FFIEC CRA) which took over the mortgage industry; and encouraged participants to abandon established lending standards is the core upon which the entire economic collapse occurred.
In tossing around "Obamabot" and "Obamashrine" your wit soars like Delay's granite hips on dancing with the stars.
YOU sure as hell didn't make em up, because there isn't a single ounce of ingenuity in your thick skull.
Some people add to the discussion and convince others to at least listen up, and maybe change their mind. Not you. Out of everything you've said here, not one good idea. Not even a good insult.
If you were a Nazi, Hitler would've had you replaced with a Jew.
I see no proof that the US contribution is proportionally greater than that of the other modern nations. In fact the GOP dashed the hopes of millions of spinal cord injury sufferers with their absurd suspension of stem cell research. That was a classic example of religion holding back progress.
They're 38th. We're 37th. I recommend you head to Europe or Canada for the surgery. Before that I would suggest you take no medical action. Just "pray" that jesus fixes your heart.
What's your point? Of course the US has also contributed to the advancement of health care, particularly in the field of emergency care. UK military doctors actually come to the US to get hands on experience with ballistic trauma a benefit of our inadequate gun control laws. You benevolent America song and dance falls flat however. The Canadians have earned their stripes. Pound for pound America takes in far more than it puts out.
So the noble pharmaceutical corporations generously sell drugs to Canada at a loss? LOL. Did I mention my sister is a drug investigator at FDA? She works for CDER. As a Consumer Safety Officer. She inspects the manufacturing facilities in PR. So I have an inside edge here. The price Canada pays is high enough to generate massive profits. You are full of shit.
Per Gallup 25% of Americans approve of thier health care. 57% of Canadians are happy with theirs.
Moron - I lived in BC for ten years. Their system is not for profit so it can't "go broke". We suffer with health care that is more than twice the cost in Canada and it's much lower quality. Stop spreading lies. Could you even find Canada on a map? Doubtful.
Canada leads the world in medical and pharmacological research. Once the research is done almost all the drugs used in Canada are manufactured in Puerto Rico. The same place we get many of the medication used in the USA. The Canadian government does not allow its citizens to be gouged by big corporations. Canada said if the medication was not sold at a reasonable price they were cease to recognize trademark laws and make their own generic versions.
I lived in BC for 10 years and this is simple wrong. You have been lied to. Why is it all 36 nations that have superior health care compared to ours are all socialized? Because it works much better.
Starraider, I'm not interested in communicating with someone who is a part of an internal terrorist movement within their own country. You and your racist anti-american friends are resonsible for the killing of 45000 Americans every single year. That's more than 10 times the number of Americans than were killed in 911 which makes you worse than Bin Laden. You're like a cowardly suicide bomber who wants to kill people without getting killed yourself. Respond if you want but I'm done with you.
The two-party system is an illusion designed to keep America divided so we won't see the real threat. Both political parties sold us out almost a century ago when they delegated control of the US Treasury to the private banking cartel of the Federal Reserve. Now, the corporate interests behind the Fed own the government. These healthcare plans are based upon corporate, not public interests. We will just get lip service and another link in our chain of economic enslavement.
Somebody tell me where the word "Obamabot" came from? I'll place a hefty wager that it was either said by:
a) Limbaugh
b) O'Reilly / Hannity
c) Savage
Cause when these guys create new lingo, it sure is cool and feels good to say...Obamabot, Wow! What a feeling. They ought to make a videogame or TV series with action figures.
JWN, people will listen to the "Obamabots" 100x more closely than some schmuck with a name that declares you have more in common with Hitler than with Seinfeld.
Somebody tell me where the word "Obamabot" came from? I'll place a hefty wager that it was either said by:
a) Limbaugh
b) O'Reilly / Hannity
c) Savage
Cause when these guys create new lingo, it sure is cool and feels good to say...Obamabot, Wow! What a feeling. They ought to make a videogame or TV series with action figures.
JWN, people will listen to the "Obamabots" 100x more closely than some schmuck with a name that declares you have more in common with Hitler than with Seinfeld.
You don't watch fox? HA HA. if that was supposed to be sarcastic it was so unfunny that it was lost on everyone. I will point out that you do indeed watch fox routinely, probably many times throughout the day so that you know what to think at all times in true communist fashion. It's why your main video on your youtube page is a Sean Hannity link. The forefathers would piss on your grave.
Don't engage the trolls... (but it is fun to see them make asses of themselves.) JWN you're doin' a wonderful job of coming across as a troll and "wearing apparel for the backside" yourself.
The last administration looks spit and polished next to Obama's. Not only does he not look or act like he knows what he's doing but he comes across as someone's puppet. Perhaps George Soros? Maybe the ex-communists from the Soviet Union. Whoever it is, they are radically out of step with the rest of America.
Whoa there ... looks like JWN just pulled on the white hood. Nice when one of 'em shows their true colors... nice to know the enemy. Filth indeed. Racist filth.
starraider113 presently the "death panels" are made up of people like yourself who are are against HCR. Presently, starraider113, you and your death panel members are responsible for the killing of 45,000 Americans on an annual basis. Or better put, you and your people killed more Americans last year than Osama Bin Laden did during 911. Good job starraider113 ! I'm sure Bin Laden is on you side in this issue too.
Jew5WreckNations, you are another Glenn Beck worshipping, anti semite loser. If you want to completely piss all over what your 'forefathers' wanted then go and live somewhere else. The typical capitalist ways of FOX News are brainwashing a dying nation, and idiots like you are speeding the process.
starraider113 I didn't comment here to suffer the wrath of your ignorance, intolerance and hatred of a black president. I commented in support of HCR. Take your hatred elsewhere. Thanks!
This is not the Health Care Reform we had voted for last election. It is just another Politician Health Reform Speech and Language only. Where is our saying and where is our public options. Those Houses can arrange what polarization they like. People have to sue them now. They are liable for these mis-management. All we see are black mailing among politicians and political parties. We have to sue them for it and make them pay.
Hey, yeah, that's gonna work. Sue em all. (shakes head) ... BC08, this is a starting place, it's not perfect, it will obviously be interesting to see what shakes out of it when the two bills are merged. Time to write those who "represent" us and let them know we want more protection for the consumer and more controls and real reforms of/less handouts to the insurance/pharma industries.
Wow J5WN what an intelligent thing you are. Where'd you get that propaganda anyhow? Yet another case of the losers namecalling and not contributing anything of essence. Other than a racist username and an obvious RW skew, that is. BR, you should be ashamed! (LOL)
31 million Americans say thank you. 45,000 American die every single year because they have been denied proper health care. This means, the Democrats, led by Barack Obama have just saved the lives of 45,000 people this coming year alone. That's more American lives than what were lost in 911. Think about it for a second. Now tell me, whose side are you on? Obama's or Osama's?
nothing happens now except the paying for it service does not go into effect until 2014..........kinda like making car payments for a couple of years before getting the car
However you want to look at it. I wish they could get things to go into effect in 2010, but its not a deal killer so oh well. At least we've stopped pretending the problem didn't exist. Now we have a plan, and everyone knows in the back of their mind - it took Barack Obama for this plan to actually happen.
Any Republican who thinks the GOP is gonna look good because of this is delusional. What comes across to the public is that President Obama is a man of action, and that he can get things done (though not exactly with everything he wanted). Still, the public will see that he has TURNED THE COUNTRY AROUND.
If this scares you - it should. Or not, you could try working with him! He has tried to reach out to the GOP but they wanted no part, and so it will be. Risky move by the GOP!!!
Yup. the Repubs have done nothing but try to make trouble and obstruct at every turn. Despite the FACT that the public (the non-frightened, thinking public, the majority who didn't believe Palin's Death Panels nonsense, etc. supported it. Otherwise, you'd have seen a real Republican sponsored Health Reform Bill, and not whining about how the dems were "not listening to us".
Money is just an abstract which can't possibly quantify all resources. Why should we limit our scope of economy by those behind the door tracks from the Fed? Why should we believe we can't understand our own economy and money supply, interest rate and commodity pricing even everyone of us get college education? We should take real look of our real material reserves, measure them with our modern technology and think outside of their boxes repeatedly. Should financial tsunami be our daily life?
Right wingers are horrible power hungry Stalinist. Capitalism is just a tools they agree to propaganda. People get debts only, not capital. Money is a failing industry which announces loss but keeps you on the side benches watching their manipulation with lies such as loan, credit, mortgage, ... and so-called wage idling your local effort for better prices of your local resources they can acquire. That is very genuine Jewish banking philosophy. They call Humanity only if their price is right.
All these baby boomers in those Houses in Washington don't make their money psychology correctly. Money is not for domination, profit or loss. Money and economy are for communication and for sharing resources, needs, creativity and cultures. Selfishness will only end us in wars and terrorism. Baby Boomers don't believe in any change like they did when they were young anymore. We have to fight it for our kids now.
When Obama told Jane Sterner about the pain pill. it was about her mother or grandmother(you look it up), But he was explaining on how the country can save of medical cost.
he was explaining that the elderly should be given any form of healthcare but rathet a pain pill so they won't feel themselves dying. That's why they are taking $500 billion from medicare and useing it on younger and middle age people.
OK, for all those saying MARKETS rule and we don't need gov't regulation - read this piece and explain to me how its good for our country to let these bankers PLAY THE SYSTEM? Gov't is needed in some cases.
true and Obama hasnt changed a thing and so it continues there is no left or right no democrats or republicans its all a lie..........money rules the country
What? They just put forward some long needed financial regulations in an amongst all the other stuff going on. As with any legislation - I'M SURE it won't be perfect, but don't say he hasn't done a thing when he has.
"It is the governments job to provide its citizens with a society in which they can prosper and be protected"
Not every gov't believes thats its missions or accepts that, but I'm glad to hear your point for I agree with you on that statement.
One cannot prosper nor be protected when they are sick.
The thing about buying insurance over state lines is that sure, we might get slightly cheaper prices - but we may also get less coverage. Being UNDERINSURED is a huge problem.
Would any one of us accept a profit motive introduced in the fire dept or Police dept? In the library system, or fat cat bonunes for public school administrators?
HELL NO! Those services contribute to a healthy society and are for the best interest of everyone.
Nothing is free and the argument that people should get free health care is taken way out of context, that's certainly not the agenda currently being advanced.
Insurance companies will continue to profit, only less.
And I have a HUGE question that needs to be answered... why are insurance companies not held to the same standards as any other company out there, with respect to antitrust laws? Why are these FOR PROFIT corporations any different? Why should they be held to a less stringent standard, when OUR LIVES and LIVELIHOODS are often dependent upon their decisions. Absurd, and must change.
Wow, I never thought a mandate could cause so much anger. When somebody puts this in a manifesto and get elected, what can the electorate expect? This is fantastic news, and all the doubters will be eating their words in 5 year's time.
Erm... yes you will have freedom. I think you forget that everything has to go through the Supreme Court to make sure it conforms to the Constitution, so freedom of choice will remain. And it's all well and good saying you'll pay more and get less, but where's your sense of community? Thousands die every year out of not being able to afford medical bills... and it's the capitalists who are killing them. You'll be eating humble pie in five years, or when the next time you need medical help.
You do know that thousands die every year with cadillac healthcare insurance plan. healthcare plans don't save lives, they just help pay for them. Thousands die every year, that have the money but don't buy death insurance as well.
thousands die every year from drunk drivers.
no form of healthcare will ever stop people from dying.
more people have died due to National health services in waiting rooms than those with out healthcare at all.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA, stop reading just one sentence and actually read the political part of what I wrote. If you're going to form an argument on such an important subject, be intelligent about it. And if for five seconds you think "more people have died due to National health services in waiting rooms than those with out healthcare at all" then you sir, are wrong. Dead wrong.
I'm beginning to think that the right wing extremists are feeling a little sad that Obama is actually making progress... of course, most of those extreme RW folks don't understand the meaning of the word, or think progressive is a pejorative. So they scream and cry and call names. As evidenced by some of the real literate "gems" in this thread.
The Obama AMA supports what?? You must be joking. Sure medicaid currently gives free stuff but now everyone but the upper middle class is going to get free entitled opiates instead of surgery? Wow that's just genius and unconstitutional at the same time. WAHOO Victory!!!!
Thats your answer?? That Obama owns and controls the largest doctors association in the country?
The AMA consists of some of our smartest doctors, they can think for themselves and they''ve come the conclusion we need this refcrm. Pretty simple to understand that, but not for you apparently who is blind to the facts and makes up a rule in your head that the AMA must be part of the Obama "machine".
Communism...anti American... you have to have been spoonfed FOXnews for the past few years to believe that. But then, people said the same thing about Social Security. How many of those railing against "socialist-communist-AntiAmerican healthcare reform conspiracy" would turn down their Social Security benefits as the same kind of thing? I'm wagering not many... not many at all.
I think most of the right wing fools don't fear the basic principles of a more socialist state, rather the corruption of it all ("a politician will decide how you live!" and all that rubbish), despite the amount of corruption in America being horrendously rife, most of which is unreported.
Yup. Our social contract right now pretty much boils down to "follow the rules and we'll leave you alone" from the city, to the state, to the federal government. Without the rules, anarchy. We just have to, as citizens, make sure the rules are fair. Which in many ways right now, due to deregulation of certain businesses and due to that corruption, they are not. We are the people who can push for fair and progressive change.
The history made the other day will be the story of a government bent on its encroachment upon liberty, individual freedom and the ability of Americans to make independent medical decisions.
Due to the $500 billion in new taxes, the creation of new mandates, and the establishment of this new entitlement program, this is a disaster for small business.
The Politburo essentially acknowledges that the bill is a terrible policy because it offer's a small business tax credit for only two years.
The history made.... will be the story of a government bent on its encroachment upon liberty, individual freedom and the ability of Americans to make independent ....decisions
AND THAT IS THE STORY OF THE 2000-2008. Thank God Bush is gone and we are in a new era.
@1ruskie, if the fascist liberals want to live in a socialist utopia, then why don't they just simply move to Europe? English is spoken in the UK, that's a good start.
America is my country, and I've taken it back. You want to live in a pre-emptive invasion with zero blowback utopia then you can leave. America is AMERICA again. We have morals.
You honestly want to put forth the argument that emergency rooms should turn away patients if they don't bring their wallet?
@moonphibes, what the Politburo in Washington is doing is unconstitutional. They're even trying to force future Congresses to abide by their decree and not change anything, which is also unconstitutional.
The far-left will try to justify their fascists tactics by trying to say it's the same as funding our schools, road projects, mail service, etc., which are totally different. They either don't understand or don't care about the separation of powers between the federal and state governments.
Oh whatever ruskie... let's just try cutting off all Fed funding to whatever state you live in, for your roads, schools, and mail... it's not as if states don't get that kind of funding. How many interstate highways run through your state? How many airports have ATC's ... the Fed and State governments have always interacted... so how's health care reform going to be so horribly different? Semantics, brought on by fear and lies from the Ins. industry & their buddies in politics. Feh.
I disagree with you as well. You want to complain about a program and then use the service when you need it. You never use the system of roads/ highways? No children or nieces/ nephews in public schools? Never had to call the cops on someone or take someone to court? Never had your house saved by the fire dept?
We have these services because we are American. And the postal service does a damn good job, again - not perfect, but try mailing a package to Italy - USPS is 10x better.
How can this possibly be Constitutional? The Federal govt cannot force someone to purchase anything from a private company.
If I refuse then I could be jailed. If jailed I would lose my rights as an American citizen. So to remain a citizen of this country, I have to purchase an approved health insurance policy? This stinks of corruption and socialism.
It's constitutional because it's in the best interest of our country to have everyone insured. You may not like it, or understand it ( I do and I agree with this however unpopular) but it's the same reason the gov't can draft citizens into the military if they want to - the best interest of our country is #1 to the Fed Gov't.
If you want to refuse, then go live in Haiti, North Korea, Europe, anywhere else. You stink of self indulgence and arrogance...GOOD RIDDANCE.
Hmm. Let's think about that idea Moonphibes... when you buy a car, you have to get insurance. The State where you live makes you do that. If you don't have car insurance, you can be fined. Is that communistic or socialist?
If they gave ya an option where you didn't have to get the insurance, but you'd be left to die on the street if something happened to ya, would ya take it? And Healthcare insurance is a little different than car insurance. With healthcare insurance you're the car, and you're protecting yourself against something happening to ya. Does that make sense?
It... actually sounds quite the same, HH66. Insurance is by definition something that pays (or should pay) if something (wreck, illness, injury) happens to you. With car insurance, you're also paying for the possibility that someone you hit or who hits you doesn't have insurance. Hmm... that sounds kind of like what our current healthcare system does too.
Actually, I read your comment wrong. I thought you didn't want the healthcare insurance, and you were comparing it to someone that didn't own a car and being fined for not having car insurance. Don't pay me no mind - I've been at this way to long.
Nice, now the federal govt is forcing it's citizens to purchase "approved" insurance policies to make a profit for someone else or else the IRS will garnish your wages, fine you and/or jail you.
This is on top of the $500 billion in new taxes we'll be forced to pay.
Is there anything else coming from our Politburo that we don't want, definitely don't need and don't know about?
We all paid for the medicine, hospital and professional trainings (as fix costs) before we get pay our wages all the time. Why should we have people not getting those services because of those insurance companies. They count our assets and money most of time only, they don't build new stuffs for us even they accept huge subsidies. And lately they dropped coverages because they didn't make enough money for business foreign expansions. They're building their companies overseas using our debts.
Insurance companies are laughing their asses off..........these retarded idiots just made it a law that we HAVE to buy their product.........thx for the change f-tard
actually, I know someone in the insurance business and they're all scared as Hell because they know they'll be making less if a powerful bill emerges. They're worried because this could upset the power they have.
Stock prices only give one side of it. I'm talking about people fearing long term, not short term gains. The insurance companies will certainly win big because they get more customers; but they also see that this is a game changer. They have a lot to lose.
Goldmann Sachs had great profits because they did some pretty immoral stuff with hedging. You can argue whether they were smart to do it, but I bet if you ask them they would much rather not have had the bubble crash even though they made money in the short term.
they have way too much money to lobby to ever lose......money trumps all this bill was passed and will pass for purely political reasons........sad but true
I'm having a hard time trying to understand just what point you wish to make. We live in America. Yes, money is the top dawg, but it ain't everything. You seem to be saying everthing is rigged, so why bother trying to fix anything. If thats your gist, I feel sorry for you but I disagree. This bill is a giant step forward, but only because it got us going in the right direction. The work aint over, if you don't like what insurance companies are doing - then do something about it.
Who exactly is this bill reformed for?....The health care industry?.....People DO NOT have insurance because they CAN NOT afford it......What makes ANYONE think MANDATING coverage will CREATE jobs or Help the UNINSURED?...IT WILL DO THE OPPOSITE!
if you believe CBS is an "Obama propaganda outlet" then why the Hell did you turn Rush off to tune in to CBS in the first place. Don't worry, as soon as your FOX news drip is set back up you will be medicated and functional again.
ironlungs33 can't take the fact that his hero Obama is a liar even to Demoncrats. You guys fell for the Hope and Change bullshit line and your going to pay now and when you get your asses solidly kicked in 2010 and 2012. Obama is going to put it right where it belongs, up your ass.
I know this won't do any good, but TCG... your Rushian Beckian namecalling forgets one very important thing... it takes more than a single person (the President) to get this stuff done. What he wanted was healthcare reform. Now he's delivered on that with LOTS of work, and no, it is not perfect... he couldn't just waltz in and wave a magic wand and get change moving. CHANGE is happening, and I think you & your RW buddies are now scared so are yelling even louder. Crying wolf too much.
No honey. It's called leadership. And Obama is no leader. He merely caters to the elites in this country who have total disregard for the working people. You liberals will have to hide when the population turns against you with a bloody vengeance. Oh happy days are coming!
You mean like back when we were bombing innocent civilians? Because thats what we DID under the last President.
Even the GOP faithful couldn't wait to get rid of Bush towards the end, his approval rating was sinking faster than an iron ball in a river.
Politics are complicated, George Bush did not play his cards right. I believe history will show President Obama to be a shrewd navigator and able to get things done. He is on the right track. Good day.
Back to the drawing board for you, I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about. This man said he would deliver change, and in dramatic fashion he has accomplished more in the first 25% of his term than Bush did in all 8 years. If I were you I would be a little worried about this too. Maybe you should try coming up with some BETTER plans to HELP our country rather than just ranting about a man you obviously do not understand.
Now that it passed, I wonder if the Republican so called Christians will quit praying and having prayer groups to pray that Senator Byrd will die, so he couldn't vote?
The Republicans will probably now resort to their voodo dolls as their Cult God, did not listen?
These people are very dangerous. Do not let your kids near any Republicans as they must be from the DEVIL. Who else would pray for someone to DIE?
@1911arthur Well numbnuts. It goes back to the house. takeing parts of both bills, making one. Then trash the rest. Then it's goes back to the senate for passage. If what the senate put in the first time is taken out, it then could fail.
>Conservative history is misinterpreted and >manpulated to fit republican narrow >perceptions.
AGREED!!
You know, if self-described "conservatives" actually lived by the original conservative creed of cautious behavior, I would be happy to call myself a conservative.
Unfortunately, it doesn't mean living within your means or being careful not to damage something that you don't fully understand (the environment). It means starting wars over faulty intel, and incompetence to the core.
By the way BR. weres the good change? weres the transparency? Weres the by partisanship that he promised? Hmm., would seem one lie after another that has come from the dems these days. Are you really that short sighted and stupid to think they are not lying about this bill as well? True folly in your lack of logic.
Things are MUCH more transparent now than they were. Not perfect, but BETTER. Your cynicism does not seem to recognize that this is indeed a good thing.
lets get one thing straight. were screwed. Im native american and had to live under the IHS. which is ran by the U.S. government. It has and never will be ran right. The nations have tried to adjust to reduce cost and waste but the gov. will not allow it due to gov. regs. even though the IHS runs out of funds every year. There's an old saying. ( never get sick after July.) And it is the truth. All day waits and never the same Dr. twice will most likely be our future if the fool gets his way.
I disagree - you're free to feel screwed and not work to change your situation, but I don't feel screwed. I know that 2010 is gonna be tough but if your idea of Peace on Earth is 2002-2003 post 9/11 response and invasion of Iraq then we will have to agree to disagree. The gov't does many things great, and many things not so well and if you were personally hurt by their actions I understand why you might be pissed off. But the answer is not "the rich get richer" and "pre-emptive invasions".
I would start with the anti-abortion movement that murdered Dr. Tiller in his church because they knew they could never advance their cause by vote. Tim McVey would be a another good example, Plus a half dozon other republicans. Actually, you are all traitors
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If I want an intellectual discussion I don't come to you tube, and I certainly don't engage right wingers. If you find academic satisfaction interacting with these racist lumps of shit you are no smarter than them.
I don't know why you have lumped all youtube commentary into the "I will piss on everyone else" category. Maybe your intellectual discussion is simply agreeing with people you know. Learn to disagree and still keep your civility, because your selfish use of youtube as a cheap therapist actually hurts your cause. You're giving a bad name to those of us who believe this health bill was a good thing. All Republicans are not evil.
To be fair - I've never said "all" Republicans are evil. In fact a majority of Repubicans are not evil, but rather stupid. You can tell a stupid Republican from an evil Republican by their net worth. A rich Republican is evil. A middle class or lower Republican is stupid.
Big Mistake my democrat friends. You will lose both houses in '10 and Obama will be discarded as a one term president. The People are against you in overwhelming numbers and will no longer tolerate such arrogance.
For you progressives, one would think you'd realize this is a wake up call. America by and large is rejecting your liberal agenda and your redistribution of wealth. High taxes, more power in Washington and your centrally planned economy doesn't fly.
1ruskie101 2 years ago
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I'm glad you like your work. Even you deserve at least one fan.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
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I don't know how lying to myself feels.
I feel great about my profile picture. It's the "drinking with Bob" guy who rants and raves here at YouTube.
How do you feel about the piss poor face plant post of yours?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
See how the right wingers lie to cover their asses? It is a mater of documented FACT the Clinton Administration left a $1.5 trillion surplus. Lie all you want - it won't change anything. liar.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
More lies from modern day Nazi GOP. All they know are lies. Just Google "Nazi left wing or right wing" and all sources that agree with me are educational institutions and academics. Those who don't are all shit for brains racists with an axe to grind. The right wing & lies go together like chocolate and peanut butter.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
You're projecting your idiocy again.
ANY "educational institutions" you could cite -- and you can't -- would OBVIOUSLY have "an axe to grind" since ANY "proof" they could cite of Conservatism being similar to Nazism would be patently false. -- As in completely, utterly, and irrevocably incorrect.
Your stupid chocolate & peanut butter analogy is as divorced from reality.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Funny how your agenda fucked the nation up whereas mine stoked the economy to its most prosperous levels in peace time yet you somehow think Im the idiot. You out of touch pie in the sky douche bags had 8 years. EIGHT YEARS. What did you do with the Clinton surplus? You wasted it, fell asleep at the wheel and allowed 9-11 to go down, launched a needless $30 million per day war in Iraq and gave obscene tax cuts to the wealthy. Fuck head you are the problem, and you are being dealt with.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
"your agenda fucked the nation"
Fannie May ISN'T "my agenda".
Community Reinvestment Act ISN'T "my agenda".
Growing and federally backing twin $1,000,000,000,000 GSE's that effectively nationalized the mortgage industry, & radically altered the tens of $ trillions in derivative markets spawned thereby, ISN'T "my agenda".
Your endless demonstrations of your extensive ignorance, even of some of the most well known political dynamics & events of our era, continues to impress.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Wyatt, why does the insurance industry have a say in legislation?
tigerone1970 2 years ago
Hitler was (as many of the Nazi leaders) a CHRISTIAN. So much so the Nazi developed "Positives Christentum". It was a Christianity modified to fit within the Nazi agenda. Socialism not only requires the workers control of the means of production it also rejects institutional religions. This myth the Nazis were left wing is a recent construct only first seeing light of day after the GOP rigged the US presidential elections. Nazi = GOP. Its just that simple.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
"Nazi = GOP. Its just that simple."
Wrong AGAIN,
Fascists were rather well regarded by Liberals up until the West European type showed their fangs. Mussolini & FDR had a lot of love for one another.
We both know you're not dumb enough to not know that, regardless of how desperately you fake otherwise.
I don't know, Perhaps your ignorance is genuine. Regardless, the very term Liberal-Fascism was that proposed by a LIBERAL, as a self-title. -- Look it up.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Nope - you are obviously a far right nut case. FDR is the greast President the US has ever had. He saved us from your party's German cousins.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Nope - you are obviously a far left nut case. Reagan is the greatest President the U.S. has ever had. He saved us (temporarily) from your party's German cousins.
See? I can do it too.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Reagan? LMAO! Bonzo pissed away tax payer money making his friends rich and busting unions. Did you know he gave a speech to a veteran's association one time and claimed he actually fought in WW2? His aide quickly reminded him it was a movie he shot. The old pussy stayed state side as the Liberals won the war. Fuck Reagan I was so glad to hear of his slow agonizing death from Alzheimer's. It's supposed to be hell on Earth. GOOD. He deserved it. Fuck him, fuck his legacy. Let him rot.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
The reason your ilk MUST resort to ad hominem e.g. "Fuck Reagan I was so glad to hear of his slow agonizing death" is that addressing the politics is never an option for Liberals. You guys are keenly aware of how idiotic and indefensible yours are.
Your hope is that the adjective "conservative" has some magical ability to absolve your political ilk -- Liberal fascist -- of their Nazi politics.
It doesn't.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Right Obama is a Liberal fascist. I can tell by your fucked up attitude youve never know hard work or need. Affordable health care for all is Obamas fascism? You whiney little prick. Youve had it too good for too long. Its time you blood suckers pay your fair share. The free lunch is over and you dont want to hear that.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Defending your BASELESS maledictions with yet more of the same TRIPE, isn't much of a rebuttal.
Consider learning history instead of pasting unhappy words on your opposition while claiming ownership of all happy words.
And there's no need for you to apologize for your ignorance.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
H.G. Wells (D) Stated - in a speech he gave to the "Young Liberals" at Oxford in 1932 - that he wanted to "assist in a kind of phoenix rebirth" of liberalism as an "enlightened Nazism"
TRUST me, I'm NOT an obfuscating Leftist; I have NO reason to lie about YOUR politics. (A is A)
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Too bad that quote does nothing to clarify the reality of the situation the Nazis were very much in keeping with your kind. I know you right wingers love to re-write history (WMDs anyone) but any reputable historian agree with me. Nazis & GOP both on the same side of the coin. Sorry.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
You ignore the evidence to cling bitterly to your socialist dogma, which contradicts it. Here's some more evidence for you to ignore:
Nazis & Dem's -- judicially segregate the citizenry into protected and unprotected sub-classes.
Nazis & Dem's -- take outright government ownership over all media, or 90% control of all media, thereby imposing an effective gag order against dissent, and then pose as the victim.
Your politics REQUIRE you to so aggressively reject reality.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Clinton left a 1.5 trillion surplus and peace.
Bush left $10 trillion in debt and and an unecessary war in Iraq.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
"and peace"?
Five and 19 dead in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996, 224 dead at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998, 17 dead on the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000.... to name a few. -- I wouldn't necessarily call that peace
Your endless attempts to equivocate your nefarious politics are getting stale.
Stop it.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
FDR & Mussolini were rather cozy until FDR could no longer be so. It is only with hindsight that today's socialists know enough to distance themselves from fascism. Back in the day, the idea was rather attractive, much like most socialist siren songs.
PS: You abandoned your own thread to avoid my point, which debunked your Leftist mythology.
Remember? All the way at the bottom?
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
While you are cooking up another batch of revisionist history why not give Bush a halo and Obama a forked tail, pitch fork and cloven hoofs?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
As we witness again, distracting from the message by going after the messenger is one of the Democrat's favorite topic-avoidance techniques.
You do a lot of complaining without ever forming any meaningful point.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
If you had worth while ideas I might spend some time on your posts but you just had 8 years and fucked the country up. "Peace" time under Clinton meant there was no massive sustained military conflict that would have artificially inflated the economic indicators. Youve got such a hard on for getting me you swinging wild and getting no where. Why would I complain? My President is running the show. It's you who cry endlessly.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
REALITY is a bit more than your ass-inine "swinging wild" accusation.
That fact isn't dependent on my posts, or any more time I'm willing to spend educating you on the topic, or your stubborn ignorance thereof.
You exhibit a fundamental inability to grasp the concept of reality.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Look at my agenda - Clinton, 1.5 trillion surplus, peace time, largest boom ever outside of war time.
Your agenda - bush $10 trillion debt, economic collapse (spare me the excuses we all know it's the GOP's fault) 5,000 dead troops, 9-11, death, misery, destruction.
DEAL WITH IT.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
" we all know it's the GOP's fault " -- We all who?
After your claim collapsed under its own metric, you try the more vaporous appeal-to-authority.
Perhaps in the future, you'll offer a claim you can argue on its own merits. Clearly, yours have NONE.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
Your endless attempts to proselytize your toxic ideology is as amusing as your ignorance of the fact that the liberal beloved fascist organizations (FNM & FRE) and fascist regulations (FFIEC CRA) which took over the mortgage industry; and encouraged participants to abandon established lending standards is the core upon which the entire economic collapse occurred.
"we all know it's the" -- DEMS fault.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
We've chronicled enough of your idiocies here. Whether genuine or just an obnoxious fake, please proselytize them elsewhere.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago
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Sorry jackass, if you are tired of getting your ass kicked you can leave. I'm not going anywhere.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
I did, and provided them to you. I found one more the other day Canada has recently discovered the casue and treatment for Huntington's disease.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Are you going to pray to Allah on your magic carpet? LOL. So of your two parents which was the camel?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Sure thing, slave. Don't make me whip you, boy.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
You are owned by a black man. How does that make you feel?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Jew5
In tossing around "Obamabot" and "Obamashrine" your wit soars like Delay's granite hips on dancing with the stars.
YOU sure as hell didn't make em up, because there isn't a single ounce of ingenuity in your thick skull.
Some people add to the discussion and convince others to at least listen up, and maybe change their mind. Not you. Out of everything you've said here, not one good idea. Not even a good insult.
If you were a Nazi, Hitler would've had you replaced with a Jew.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
I see no proof that the US contribution is proportionally greater than that of the other modern nations. In fact the GOP dashed the hopes of millions of spinal cord injury sufferers with their absurd suspension of stem cell research. That was a classic example of religion holding back progress.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Funny how as soon as you know you are dealing with a person you can't bullshit you flee. Hum.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
They're 38th. We're 37th. I recommend you head to Europe or Canada for the surgery. Before that I would suggest you take no medical action. Just "pray" that jesus fixes your heart.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
What's your point? Of course the US has also contributed to the advancement of health care, particularly in the field of emergency care. UK military doctors actually come to the US to get hands on experience with ballistic trauma a benefit of our inadequate gun control laws. You benevolent America song and dance falls flat however. The Canadians have earned their stripes. Pound for pound America takes in far more than it puts out.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
So the noble pharmaceutical corporations generously sell drugs to Canada at a loss? LOL. Did I mention my sister is a drug investigator at FDA? She works for CDER. As a Consumer Safety Officer. She inspects the manufacturing facilities in PR. So I have an inside edge here. The price Canada pays is high enough to generate massive profits. You are full of shit.
Per Gallup 25% of Americans approve of thier health care. 57% of Canadians are happy with theirs.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Development of Pablum
Discovery of the T-cell receptor
Development of the Cobalt Bomb
Harvest and use of Stem Cells for a variety of conditions.
Open heart surgery
Stress response research leading to the successful treatment of PTSD
Insulin, Treatments and Possible Cures for Diabetes
Controlled Gene Mutation
The activation mechanism of the RAF protein kinase which, when mutated, is responsible for more than 25 per cent of cancers.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Moron - I lived in BC for ten years. Their system is not for profit so it can't "go broke". We suffer with health care that is more than twice the cost in Canada and it's much lower quality. Stop spreading lies. Could you even find Canada on a map? Doubtful.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Jew5WreckNations: homosexual
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Canada leads the world in medical and pharmacological research. Once the research is done almost all the drugs used in Canada are manufactured in Puerto Rico. The same place we get many of the medication used in the USA. The Canadian government does not allow its citizens to be gouged by big corporations. Canada said if the medication was not sold at a reasonable price they were cease to recognize trademark laws and make their own generic versions.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
I lived in BC for 10 years and this is simple wrong. You have been lied to. Why is it all 36 nations that have superior health care compared to ours are all socialized? Because it works much better.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
I've seen what passes as "fact" with you jackasses. I remain unconvinced.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Starraider, I'm not interested in communicating with someone who is a part of an internal terrorist movement within their own country. You and your racist anti-american friends are resonsible for the killing of 45000 Americans every single year. That's more than 10 times the number of Americans than were killed in 911 which makes you worse than Bin Laden. You're like a cowardly suicide bomber who wants to kill people without getting killed yourself. Respond if you want but I'm done with you.
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4MenInATub 2 years ago
The two-party system is an illusion designed to keep America divided so we won't see the real threat. Both political parties sold us out almost a century ago when they delegated control of the US Treasury to the private banking cartel of the Federal Reserve. Now, the corporate interests behind the Fed own the government. These healthcare plans are based upon corporate, not public interests. We will just get lip service and another link in our chain of economic enslavement.
00RoninSamurai00 2 years ago
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Somebody tell me where the word "Obamabot" came from? I'll place a hefty wager that it was either said by:
a) Limbaugh
b) O'Reilly / Hannity
c) Savage
Cause when these guys create new lingo, it sure is cool and feels good to say...Obamabot, Wow! What a feeling. They ought to make a videogame or TV series with action figures.
JWN, people will listen to the "Obamabots" 100x more closely than some schmuck with a name that declares you have more in common with Hitler than with Seinfeld.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Somebody tell me where the word "Obamabot" came from? I'll place a hefty wager that it was either said by:
a) Limbaugh
b) O'Reilly / Hannity
c) Savage
Cause when these guys create new lingo, it sure is cool and feels good to say...Obamabot, Wow! What a feeling. They ought to make a videogame or TV series with action figures.
JWN, people will listen to the "Obamabots" 100x more closely than some schmuck with a name that declares you have more in common with Hitler than with Seinfeld.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
You don't watch fox? HA HA. if that was supposed to be sarcastic it was so unfunny that it was lost on everyone. I will point out that you do indeed watch fox routinely, probably many times throughout the day so that you know what to think at all times in true communist fashion. It's why your main video on your youtube page is a Sean Hannity link. The forefathers would piss on your grave.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
That must be a comfortable way to think.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
Oh you are a troll alright.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
Don't engage the trolls... (but it is fun to see them make asses of themselves.) JWN you're doin' a wonderful job of coming across as a troll and "wearing apparel for the backside" yourself.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
You wish.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
The last administration looks spit and polished next to Obama's. Not only does he not look or act like he knows what he's doing but he comes across as someone's puppet. Perhaps George Soros? Maybe the ex-communists from the Soviet Union. Whoever it is, they are radically out of step with the rest of America.
SocialistDemokrat 2 years ago
Wouldn't waste my tears on the likes of you, troll.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
Whoa there ... looks like JWN just pulled on the white hood. Nice when one of 'em shows their true colors... nice to know the enemy. Filth indeed. Racist filth.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
*Facepalm*
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
What? You're funny.
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
Don't swear you cretin. Judging by what you've just said I'll be wasting my time here, I've dealt with your kind of filth before. Back in your hole.
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
starraider113 presently the "death panels" are made up of people like yourself who are are against HCR. Presently, starraider113, you and your death panel members are responsible for the killing of 45,000 Americans on an annual basis. Or better put, you and your people killed more Americans last year than Osama Bin Laden did during 911. Good job starraider113 ! I'm sure Bin Laden is on you side in this issue too.
4MenInATub 2 years ago
Jew5WreckNations, you are another Glenn Beck worshipping, anti semite loser. If you want to completely piss all over what your 'forefathers' wanted then go and live somewhere else. The typical capitalist ways of FOX News are brainwashing a dying nation, and idiots like you are speeding the process.
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
starraider113 I didn't comment here to suffer the wrath of your ignorance, intolerance and hatred of a black president. I commented in support of HCR. Take your hatred elsewhere. Thanks!
4MenInATub 2 years ago
Those people were on medicare because they couldn't afford insurance. Argument fail.
andrewh23 2 years ago
This is not the Health Care Reform we had voted for last election. It is just another Politician Health Reform Speech and Language only. Where is our saying and where is our public options. Those Houses can arrange what polarization they like. People have to sue them now. They are liable for these mis-management. All we see are black mailing among politicians and political parties. We have to sue them for it and make them pay.
beancube2008 2 years ago
Hey, yeah, that's gonna work. Sue em all. (shakes head) ... BC08, this is a starting place, it's not perfect, it will obviously be interesting to see what shakes out of it when the two bills are merged. Time to write those who "represent" us and let them know we want more protection for the consumer and more controls and real reforms of/less handouts to the insurance/pharma industries.
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BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Wow J5WN what an intelligent thing you are. Where'd you get that propaganda anyhow? Yet another case of the losers namecalling and not contributing anything of essence. Other than a racist username and an obvious RW skew, that is. BR, you should be ashamed! (LOL)
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
you have not facts.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
31 million Americans say thank you. 45,000 American die every single year because they have been denied proper health care. This means, the Democrats, led by Barack Obama have just saved the lives of 45,000 people this coming year alone. That's more American lives than what were lost in 911. Think about it for a second. Now tell me, whose side are you on? Obama's or Osama's?
4MenInATub 2 years ago 2
I love it!
This was something that had to be done eventually any way. Thank god it's happening now.
Obama, you da man!
BIGBOY2TON 2 years ago 2
nothing happens now except the paying for it service does not go into effect until 2014..........kinda like making car payments for a couple of years before getting the car
linkin622 2 years ago
However you want to look at it. I wish they could get things to go into effect in 2010, but its not a deal killer so oh well. At least we've stopped pretending the problem didn't exist. Now we have a plan, and everyone knows in the back of their mind - it took Barack Obama for this plan to actually happen.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Any Republican who thinks the GOP is gonna look good because of this is delusional. What comes across to the public is that President Obama is a man of action, and that he can get things done (though not exactly with everything he wanted). Still, the public will see that he has TURNED THE COUNTRY AROUND.
If this scares you - it should. Or not, you could try working with him! He has tried to reach out to the GOP but they wanted no part, and so it will be. Risky move by the GOP!!!
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Yup. the Repubs have done nothing but try to make trouble and obstruct at every turn. Despite the FACT that the public (the non-frightened, thinking public, the majority who didn't believe Palin's Death Panels nonsense, etc. supported it. Otherwise, you'd have seen a real Republican sponsored Health Reform Bill, and not whining about how the dems were "not listening to us".
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
Money is just an abstract which can't possibly quantify all resources. Why should we limit our scope of economy by those behind the door tracks from the Fed? Why should we believe we can't understand our own economy and money supply, interest rate and commodity pricing even everyone of us get college education? We should take real look of our real material reserves, measure them with our modern technology and think outside of their boxes repeatedly. Should financial tsunami be our daily life?
beancube2008 2 years ago
Right wingers are horrible power hungry Stalinist. Capitalism is just a tools they agree to propaganda. People get debts only, not capital. Money is a failing industry which announces loss but keeps you on the side benches watching their manipulation with lies such as loan, credit, mortgage, ... and so-called wage idling your local effort for better prices of your local resources they can acquire. That is very genuine Jewish banking philosophy. They call Humanity only if their price is right.
beancube2008 2 years ago
rotten eggs
witecracker2 2 years ago
All these baby boomers in those Houses in Washington don't make their money psychology correctly. Money is not for domination, profit or loss. Money and economy are for communication and for sharing resources, needs, creativity and cultures. Selfishness will only end us in wars and terrorism. Baby Boomers don't believe in any change like they did when they were young anymore. We have to fight it for our kids now.
beancube2008 2 years ago
@starraider113
When Obama told Jane Sterner about the pain pill. it was about her mother or grandmother(you look it up), But he was explaining on how the country can save of medical cost.
he was explaining that the elderly should be given any form of healthcare but rathet a pain pill so they won't feel themselves dying. That's why they are taking $500 billion from medicare and useing it on younger and middle age people.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Be more specific...detail out your "excuse they are using" and why its not true.
A statement like "look up every other country that is run like this" is low on facts and high on not doing any research yourself.
You want to talk countries - tell me about Canada or the UK.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
OK, for all those saying MARKETS rule and we don't need gov't regulation - read this piece and explain to me how its good for our country to let these bankers PLAY THE SYSTEM? Gov't is needed in some cases.
google search:
Banks Bundled Bad Debt, Bet Against It and Won
ironlungs33 2 years ago
ah must be goldmann sachs........or as most call them...the white house staff
linkin622 2 years ago
Yeah, read the article. Goldmann and others, pretty rampant. Of course at that time white house staff was Bush Admin.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
How soon folks forget this fact. (shakes head) Sometimes it seems many Americans have the attention span about equal to that of the family dog.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
true and Obama hasnt changed a thing and so it continues there is no left or right no democrats or republicans its all a lie..........money rules the country
linkin622 2 years ago
>true and Obama hasnt changed a thing
What? They just put forward some long needed financial regulations in an amongst all the other stuff going on. As with any legislation - I'M SURE it won't be perfect, but don't say he hasn't done a thing when he has.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Starraider -
"It is the governments job to provide its citizens with a society in which they can prosper and be protected"
Not every gov't believes thats its missions or accepts that, but I'm glad to hear your point for I agree with you on that statement.
One cannot prosper nor be protected when they are sick.
The thing about buying insurance over state lines is that sure, we might get slightly cheaper prices - but we may also get less coverage. Being UNDERINSURED is a huge problem.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Would any one of us accept a profit motive introduced in the fire dept or Police dept? In the library system, or fat cat bonunes for public school administrators?
HELL NO! Those services contribute to a healthy society and are for the best interest of everyone.
Nothing is free and the argument that people should get free health care is taken way out of context, that's certainly not the agenda currently being advanced.
Insurance companies will continue to profit, only less.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
And I have a HUGE question that needs to be answered... why are insurance companies not held to the same standards as any other company out there, with respect to antitrust laws? Why are these FOR PROFIT corporations any different? Why should they be held to a less stringent standard, when OUR LIVES and LIVELIHOODS are often dependent upon their decisions. Absurd, and must change.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
Wow, I never thought a mandate could cause so much anger. When somebody puts this in a manifesto and get elected, what can the electorate expect? This is fantastic news, and all the doubters will be eating their words in 5 year's time.
I love the NHS.
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
I keep telling them, if they absolutely hate it soo much they can leave. I don't see any of them doing it.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
I can't personally see any benefit whatsoever of HMO's over a national health service... how stupid are some people?
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
national health service is just like a HMO. you see government doctors and use only government hospitals. You'll have no freeom choice.
National health service is like the "Family Dollar Store of Medical Services".
Difference being, you'll pay more and get less in return.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Erm... yes you will have freedom. I think you forget that everything has to go through the Supreme Court to make sure it conforms to the Constitution, so freedom of choice will remain. And it's all well and good saying you'll pay more and get less, but where's your sense of community? Thousands die every year out of not being able to afford medical bills... and it's the capitalists who are killing them. You'll be eating humble pie in five years, or when the next time you need medical help.
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
You do know that thousands die every year with cadillac healthcare insurance plan. healthcare plans don't save lives, they just help pay for them. Thousands die every year, that have the money but don't buy death insurance as well.
thousands die every year from drunk drivers.
no form of healthcare will ever stop people from dying.
more people have died due to National health services in waiting rooms than those with out healthcare at all.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
I'm curious - where did you get the statistics for people that have died due to sitting in waiting rooms?
HemiHead66 2 years ago
MrSTANDFORAMERICA, stop reading just one sentence and actually read the political part of what I wrote. If you're going to form an argument on such an important subject, be intelligent about it. And if for five seconds you think "more people have died due to National health services in waiting rooms than those with out healthcare at all" then you sir, are wrong. Dead wrong.
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
I'm beginning to think that the right wing extremists are feeling a little sad that Obama is actually making progress... of course, most of those extreme RW folks don't understand the meaning of the word, or think progressive is a pejorative. So they scream and cry and call names. As evidenced by some of the real literate "gems" in this thread.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
Hey guys when do I get my free pain medicine? Victory!!!! I'm dying to get my free stuff.
lenny380 2 years ago
Lenny,
your pain medicine is already being fed to you straight from the Fox News drip. You are already well opiated my friend.
The AMA supports this, you gonna tell us our doctors are all wrong?
I get the feeling I am talking to a hedge fund baby perhaps?
How much a month is your insurance? What is your deductible? How much was it five years ago? Ten years ago?
Answer these simple questions or we can't take you seriously.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
The Obama AMA supports what?? You must be joking. Sure medicaid currently gives free stuff but now everyone but the upper middle class is going to get free entitled opiates instead of surgery? Wow that's just genius and unconstitutional at the same time. WAHOO Victory!!!!
lenny380 2 years ago
Obama AMA???
Thats your answer?? That Obama owns and controls the largest doctors association in the country?
The AMA consists of some of our smartest doctors, they can think for themselves and they''ve come the conclusion we need this refcrm. Pretty simple to understand that, but not for you apparently who is blind to the facts and makes up a rule in your head that the AMA must be part of the Obama "machine".
The rest of what you said is not worth a dime.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
This Bill is beyond Bullshit, this Bill is Communism and it is Anti-American....
CapitalExchange 2 years ago
Which is great!
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
then leave.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Communism...anti American... you have to have been spoonfed FOXnews for the past few years to believe that. But then, people said the same thing about Social Security. How many of those railing against "socialist-communist-AntiAmerican healthcare reform conspiracy" would turn down their Social Security benefits as the same kind of thing? I'm wagering not many... not many at all.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
I think most of the right wing fools don't fear the basic principles of a more socialist state, rather the corruption of it all ("a politician will decide how you live!" and all that rubbish), despite the amount of corruption in America being horrendously rife, most of which is unreported.
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
Yup. Our social contract right now pretty much boils down to "follow the rules and we'll leave you alone" from the city, to the state, to the federal government. Without the rules, anarchy. We just have to, as citizens, make sure the rules are fair. Which in many ways right now, due to deregulation of certain businesses and due to that corruption, they are not. We are the people who can push for fair and progressive change.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
I think you've just wrapped up fair democracy in a nutshell.
DeniablyCorrect 2 years ago
The history made the other day will be the story of a government bent on its encroachment upon liberty, individual freedom and the ability of Americans to make independent medical decisions.
Due to the $500 billion in new taxes, the creation of new mandates, and the establishment of this new entitlement program, this is a disaster for small business.
The Politburo essentially acknowledges that the bill is a terrible policy because it offer's a small business tax credit for only two years.
SocialistDemokrat 2 years ago
Socialist DemoKrat
The history made.... will be the story of a government bent on its encroachment upon liberty, individual freedom and the ability of Americans to make independent ....decisions
AND THAT IS THE STORY OF THE 2000-2008. Thank God Bush is gone and we are in a new era.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
@1ruskie, if the fascist liberals want to live in a socialist utopia, then why don't they just simply move to Europe? English is spoken in the UK, that's a good start.
SocialistDemokrat 2 years ago
America is my country, and I've taken it back. You want to live in a pre-emptive invasion with zero blowback utopia then you can leave. America is AMERICA again. We have morals.
You honestly want to put forth the argument that emergency rooms should turn away patients if they don't bring their wallet?
ironlungs33 2 years ago
@moonphibes, what the Politburo in Washington is doing is unconstitutional. They're even trying to force future Congresses to abide by their decree and not change anything, which is also unconstitutional.
The far-left will try to justify their fascists tactics by trying to say it's the same as funding our schools, road projects, mail service, etc., which are totally different. They either don't understand or don't care about the separation of powers between the federal and state governments.
1ruskie101 2 years ago
Oh whatever ruskie... let's just try cutting off all Fed funding to whatever state you live in, for your roads, schools, and mail... it's not as if states don't get that kind of funding. How many interstate highways run through your state? How many airports have ATC's ... the Fed and State governments have always interacted... so how's health care reform going to be so horribly different? Semantics, brought on by fear and lies from the Ins. industry & their buddies in politics. Feh.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago 3
sheldon whitehouse
StinkingHombre 2 years ago
I disagree with you as well. You want to complain about a program and then use the service when you need it. You never use the system of roads/ highways? No children or nieces/ nephews in public schools? Never had to call the cops on someone or take someone to court? Never had your house saved by the fire dept?
We have these services because we are American. And the postal service does a damn good job, again - not perfect, but try mailing a package to Italy - USPS is 10x better.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
How can this possibly be Constitutional? The Federal govt cannot force someone to purchase anything from a private company.
If I refuse then I could be jailed. If jailed I would lose my rights as an American citizen. So to remain a citizen of this country, I have to purchase an approved health insurance policy? This stinks of corruption and socialism.
What has become of our once great country?
moonphibes 2 years ago
It's constitutional because it's in the best interest of our country to have everyone insured. You may not like it, or understand it ( I do and I agree with this however unpopular) but it's the same reason the gov't can draft citizens into the military if they want to - the best interest of our country is #1 to the Fed Gov't.
If you want to refuse, then go live in Haiti, North Korea, Europe, anywhere else. You stink of self indulgence and arrogance...GOOD RIDDANCE.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
BTW, it was the Republicans who wanted this provision of forced insurance the most!
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Hmm. Let's think about that idea Moonphibes... when you buy a car, you have to get insurance. The State where you live makes you do that. If you don't have car insurance, you can be fined. Is that communistic or socialist?
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago 2
If they gave ya an option where you didn't have to get the insurance, but you'd be left to die on the street if something happened to ya, would ya take it? And Healthcare insurance is a little different than car insurance. With healthcare insurance you're the car, and you're protecting yourself against something happening to ya. Does that make sense?
HemiHead66 2 years ago
It... actually sounds quite the same, HH66. Insurance is by definition something that pays (or should pay) if something (wreck, illness, injury) happens to you. With car insurance, you're also paying for the possibility that someone you hit or who hits you doesn't have insurance. Hmm... that sounds kind of like what our current healthcare system does too.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
Actually, I read your comment wrong. I thought you didn't want the healthcare insurance, and you were comparing it to someone that didn't own a car and being fined for not having car insurance. Don't pay me no mind - I've been at this way to long.
HemiHead66 2 years ago
No prob HH66. :-)
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
Nice, now the federal govt is forcing it's citizens to purchase "approved" insurance policies to make a profit for someone else or else the IRS will garnish your wages, fine you and/or jail you.
This is on top of the $500 billion in new taxes we'll be forced to pay.
Is there anything else coming from our Politburo that we don't want, definitely don't need and don't know about?
SocialistDemokrat 2 years ago
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It was the Republicans who wanted this provision of forced insurance the most!
ironlungs33 2 years ago
We all paid for the medicine, hospital and professional trainings (as fix costs) before we get pay our wages all the time. Why should we have people not getting those services because of those insurance companies. They count our assets and money most of time only, they don't build new stuffs for us even they accept huge subsidies. And lately they dropped coverages because they didn't make enough money for business foreign expansions. They're building their companies overseas using our debts.
beancube2008 2 years ago
Insurance companies are laughing their asses off..........these retarded idiots just made it a law that we HAVE to buy their product.........thx for the change f-tard
linkin622 2 years ago
actually, I know someone in the insurance business and they're all scared as Hell because they know they'll be making less if a powerful bill emerges. They're worried because this could upset the power they have.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
oh thats cool is that why the ins. co. stocks are at all time highs ?
linkin622 2 years ago
Stock prices only give one side of it. I'm talking about people fearing long term, not short term gains. The insurance companies will certainly win big because they get more customers; but they also see that this is a game changer. They have a lot to lose.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
google search:
Banks Bundled Bad Debt, Bet Against It and Won
Goldmann Sachs had great profits because they did some pretty immoral stuff with hedging. You can argue whether they were smart to do it, but I bet if you ask them they would much rather not have had the bubble crash even though they made money in the short term.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
they have way too much money to lobby to ever lose......money trumps all this bill was passed and will pass for purely political reasons........sad but true
linkin622 2 years ago
I'm having a hard time trying to understand just what point you wish to make. We live in America. Yes, money is the top dawg, but it ain't everything. You seem to be saying everthing is rigged, so why bother trying to fix anything. If thats your gist, I feel sorry for you but I disagree. This bill is a giant step forward, but only because it got us going in the right direction. The work aint over, if you don't like what insurance companies are doing - then do something about it.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
This bill is heading in the direction of true blue Communism.
Forced into buying insurance from a private compay that the government is heavly invested into.
On top of the tax, if you refuse to pay, can and will be taxed(fined) as well as put in prison.
As is today, if you owe taxs they don't put you in prison. But they are calling it a fee and not a tax.
Next Obama will madte everyone to buy a GM or be fined and or put into prison.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Who exactly is this bill reformed for?....The health care industry?.....People DO NOT have insurance because they CAN NOT afford it......What makes ANYONE think MANDATING coverage will CREATE jobs or Help the UNINSURED?...IT WILL DO THE OPPOSITE!
SAD DAY IN AMERICA!
sikovit 2 years ago
Vote them all out of office. And the Obama propaganda outlet CBS can kiss our ass.
thirdcoastguy 2 years ago
if you believe CBS is an "Obama propaganda outlet" then why the Hell did you turn Rush off to tune in to CBS in the first place. Don't worry, as soon as your FOX news drip is set back up you will be medicated and functional again.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
ironlungs33 can't take the fact that his hero Obama is a liar even to Demoncrats. You guys fell for the Hope and Change bullshit line and your going to pay now and when you get your asses solidly kicked in 2010 and 2012. Obama is going to put it right where it belongs, up your ass.
thirdcoastguy 2 years ago
I know this won't do any good, but TCG... your Rushian Beckian namecalling forgets one very important thing... it takes more than a single person (the President) to get this stuff done. What he wanted was healthcare reform. Now he's delivered on that with LOTS of work, and no, it is not perfect... he couldn't just waltz in and wave a magic wand and get change moving. CHANGE is happening, and I think you & your RW buddies are now scared so are yelling even louder. Crying wolf too much.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
No honey. It's called leadership. And Obama is no leader. He merely caters to the elites in this country who have total disregard for the working people. You liberals will have to hide when the population turns against you with a bloody vengeance. Oh happy days are coming!
thirdcoastguy 2 years ago
"You liberals"... hahaha... "honey" ... even more hahaha... TCG, you simply crack me up. Demoncrats, huh. What a winner.
ActiasLuna13 2 years ago
HAPPY DAYS?
You mean like back when we were bombing innocent civilians? Because thats what we DID under the last President.
Even the GOP faithful couldn't wait to get rid of Bush towards the end, his approval rating was sinking faster than an iron ball in a river.
Politics are complicated, George Bush did not play his cards right. I believe history will show President Obama to be a shrewd navigator and able to get things done. He is on the right track. Good day.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Guy,
Back to the drawing board for you, I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about. This man said he would deliver change, and in dramatic fashion he has accomplished more in the first 25% of his term than Bush did in all 8 years. If I were you I would be a little worried about this too. Maybe you should try coming up with some BETTER plans to HELP our country rather than just ranting about a man you obviously do not understand.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Now that it passed, I wonder if the Republican so called Christians will quit praying and having prayer groups to pray that Senator Byrd will die, so he couldn't vote?
The Republicans will probably now resort to their voodo dolls as their Cult God, did not listen?
These people are very dangerous. Do not let your kids near any Republicans as they must be from the DEVIL. Who else would pray for someone to DIE?
1911arthur 2 years ago
@1911arthur Well numbnuts. It goes back to the house. takeing parts of both bills, making one. Then trash the rest. Then it's goes back to the senate for passage. If what the senate put in the first time is taken out, it then could fail.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Conservative idealism is hardly on the side of history. their history is misinterpreted and manpulated to fit republican narrow perceptions.
humanisall 2 years ago
>Conservative history is misinterpreted and >manpulated to fit republican narrow >perceptions.
AGREED!!
You know, if self-described "conservatives" actually lived by the original conservative creed of cautious behavior, I would be happy to call myself a conservative.
Unfortunately, it doesn't mean living within your means or being careful not to damage something that you don't fully understand (the environment). It means starting wars over faulty intel, and incompetence to the core.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
By the way BR. weres the good change? weres the transparency? Weres the by partisanship that he promised? Hmm., would seem one lie after another that has come from the dems these days. Are you really that short sighted and stupid to think they are not lying about this bill as well? True folly in your lack of logic.
navitewinds 2 years ago
Things are MUCH more transparent now than they were. Not perfect, but BETTER. Your cynicism does not seem to recognize that this is indeed a good thing.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
lets get one thing straight. were screwed. Im native american and had to live under the IHS. which is ran by the U.S. government. It has and never will be ran right. The nations have tried to adjust to reduce cost and waste but the gov. will not allow it due to gov. regs. even though the IHS runs out of funds every year. There's an old saying. ( never get sick after July.) And it is the truth. All day waits and never the same Dr. twice will most likely be our future if the fool gets his way.
navitewinds 2 years ago
I disagree - you're free to feel screwed and not work to change your situation, but I don't feel screwed. I know that 2010 is gonna be tough but if your idea of Peace on Earth is 2002-2003 post 9/11 response and invasion of Iraq then we will have to agree to disagree. The gov't does many things great, and many things not so well and if you were personally hurt by their actions I understand why you might be pissed off. But the answer is not "the rich get richer" and "pre-emptive invasions".
ironlungs33 2 years ago
Get the vasoline out bend over grab your ankles, the democRATS are going to Fuck us into oblivion.
micsc50 2 years ago
please enlighten us, who are the REAL terrorists?
heres a start: google Banks Bundled Bad Debt, Bet Against It and Won
ironlungs33 2 years ago 2
I would start with the anti-abortion movement that murdered Dr. Tiller in his church because they knew they could never advance their cause by vote. Tim McVey would be a another good example, Plus a half dozon other republicans. Actually, you are all traitors
pickledbill 2 years ago
leave you whining cunt.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
BR,
STFU, you're making the rest of us look bad. Present a logical point, discuss, have a conversation.
ironlungs33 2 years ago 2
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If I want an intellectual discussion I don't come to you tube, and I certainly don't engage right wingers. If you find academic satisfaction interacting with these racist lumps of shit you are no smarter than them.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
I don't know why you have lumped all youtube commentary into the "I will piss on everyone else" category. Maybe your intellectual discussion is simply agreeing with people you know. Learn to disagree and still keep your civility, because your selfish use of youtube as a cheap therapist actually hurts your cause. You're giving a bad name to those of us who believe this health bill was a good thing. All Republicans are not evil.
ironlungs33 2 years ago
To be fair - I've never said "all" Republicans are evil. In fact a majority of Repubicans are not evil, but rather stupid. You can tell a stupid Republican from an evil Republican by their net worth. A rich Republican is evil. A middle class or lower Republican is stupid.
Thanks.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
@BlameRepublicans you euro's are dumber than a box of rocks.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Did you see? Obama stopped the terror that Bush FAILED to. OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! Fuck gop, you fail.
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RealRepublican1 2 years ago
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