atheists simply believe that they dont know how the universe got here and dont believe that there is a magical sky god who popped out of a cloud either and enjoy the life that they have using common sense to tell them what right or wrong and dont expect a reward for the things they do either.
A WARNING TO NON-RELIGIOUS PEOPLE FROM THE KORAN: You will be tortured forever in hell. Hell is a most unpleasant place. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. They will wish to come forth from the Fire, but they will not come forth from it. Theirs will be a lasting doom. For them is drink of boiling water and a painful doom, because they disbelieved.
@blackgorrilla415 but you've been telling us all along of the peaceful nature of islam...so either you're a liar or mohammad is because god is not a real thing.
lol at thirty eight - that chick on the left seems awfully interested in Brittany. Catchy music too. Still cant figure out the point of the video though
Poor atheists. It is hard for babies/kids to understand their parents as it is hard for atheists to understand God because they are not omnipotent, omniscience, omnibenevolent, or Eternal. It is GOD's Exaggeratedly power that confuse most human beings because our minds cannot possibly comprehend HIS Attributes completely.
You misguided, ignorant fool! Watching Pat Condell's videos has helped me and I'm sure thousands of other people to diminish their fear of hell. Most religious organizations are bullies that need to be stood up to. Without the great work of people like Pat, our world would likely slip into another dark age. Do you really want governments to base their decisions on the beliefs of writers who didn't have the use of microscopes, telescopes, or even running water!?
@piekraft God does trump all those IF he is real and IF he is loving, helpful, and intelligent. The God of the Bible (in a LOT of places) is petty, vindictive, cruel, jealous, and savage (slavery, infanticide, approving of rape - see the story of Lot). Granted, SOME parts of the bible picture God as a loving Father. I just hope that no all powerful tyrant exists.
@superfalcon123 Hmm, note that nobody was innocent whom He judged. When He took out cities they were being judged. Also, slavery in those times was a way for poor people to work for a living; it was not cruel and kidnapping(the slave trade of more recent times is against the Bible completely).
@piekraft Exodus 21:20, 21 NAS "if a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property" I have to get to work, more Bible verses coming.
@Sugardaddy501 Did you mean you are an atheist? (you misspelled that word). I was pointing out to piekraft that the Bible DOES condone slavery, not using the Bible as evidence that God is real. I dissaprove of the character Yahweh as depicted in the Old Testament, but that does NOT mean that I believe that Yahweh is real. You need to get your facts straight before you go butting into other people's conversations, especially when they are just trying to do some good in the world.
I would recommend you read the Book of Numbers first... then go read the Book of the Law.... if you can walk away from those books as a christian thinking nothing is wrong, youre so corrupted that this conversation is literally without purpose.
...It shows that youre the type of person with whom no one can convince you that the sky is blue unless YOU want to believe its blue..
@CRUSH3Rdlux I've read the Law. Point out one wrong thing done by God.
And I'm assuming you're a nonChristian. Read up on the evidence proving Jesus rose from His tomb. If you've seen the evidence and still see no reason to call Him God, then you clearly won't believe anything you don't want to believe.
I have read both new and old testimants.... its just a simple collection of stories... so is the mother goose's nursery collection... Now had the kings and rulers of the time written scores of stories about the wonders of a man named "jesus" who was the christ... I would be utterly convinced.
Now if you can read that god commands the stoning of children TO DEATH simply for being disobedient and think that it is just... youre cruel, and I just hope you do not reproduce
@CRUSH3Rdlux Firstly you must note the high number of witnesses to Jesus after the resurrection. Then of course modern Jews even note than He performed many miracles, and they are very opposed to Him.
Also, a simple collection of stories does not contain scientific facts that would not be discovered for thousands of years more.
Please cite the verses you are referring to. Then I can hopefully explain how God is being just.
Also remember you have no position of authority to judge God.
Alright, again... thousands of people marvelled at him and his wonders ....yet.... its ONLY found in ONE book.... I dont care if the book claims he came and ended a race of gargoyles, if there is no proof, his story is on the same level as Horus's battle with Set every morning.. you cannot prove it true or false, you can just be out of your mind for believing its happening.
Also, here is a fun quote for you to look up... Deuteronomy 21:18 ...start there... have a look around.
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother...Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." .. -Deuteronomy 21:18 ....if you can stand behind that and think you have morals, you have genuinely lost all sense of compassion, and you are a lesser being than a beast....at least they have some form of sympathy...
@CRUSH3Rdlux And from where are you deriving this idea of morality that you hold? The only logical atheistic stance would be that we are animals thus acting on (complex) instinct and therefore there is morality and in fact killing a rebelious son would be the most "logical" choice, therefore to hold a consistent worldview you MUST agree.
Furthermore, if you understood the context of this command, it may clear things up. The Isralites were all in th wilderness surviving hostile nations. A rebl
It takes many men to make a nation, to make an army...ALL children are rebelious to some degree at at least one point or another..if these children would be stoned to death for simple matters of 'disobedience'(something that could be easily mended with rewards and punishments)then the army would be thin, the nation weak, thus it would not survive.Our basic morality changes with the needs of survival as a species.Thus killing sons is immoral.
@CRUSH3Rdlux Of course, this is all depending on the definition of rebellious. At the time there were many who would turn against the Israelites or turn against God and worship false idols. The first would be a risk to the nation and the second an even greater risk as they could pull others away from God, which is worse than death.
"Our basic morality changes with the needs of survival as a species."
It says in the text "will not heed the voice of his father, (nor) mother." This means "if he will not listen to commands." There have been times when my father has told me to go out and build a shed in his backyard, I did not because I didnt know how. By god's law, he had every right to kill me violently.
And you speak of moral as if morals are some form of absolute factor. Note that it is a term used to differentiate between what is defined as "good" or "bad" ..theyre just words.
My apologies for being so lengthy in my resonse, but I tend to ramble at times..
But to continue, our "morals" are that which we define as "good" and "bad" .. they are developed through interactions with others in which we learn that actions producing a positive reaction are often beneficial and well received, thus defined as "good" ..while on the other hand actions that produce negative responses and reactions that are more harmful become refered to as "bad" or "evil"
Morals are absolutely absolute. God gave an absolute set. The idea of each person defining their own idea of right and wrong and all being equal in value is absurd, as none has any solid foundation; furthermore all would be meaningless as they'd contradict each other and it'd have no sense to say ANYTHING is wrong. Thus all atrocities must be condoned.
As for rebellion, there's a difference between obeying but not knowing and not obeying at all.
Funny how the same book of absolute knowledge of right and wrong also tells us the earth is fixed on pillars and has edges, a man can survive an intestinal track for three days without harm, people may drink deadly liquids without harm, and that burning creatures (including humans) is somehow a type of currency with the god(s).
Now it seems strange that god is so much more about "love" and "kindness" in these times with a modern society, compared to the god of the old books.
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm"
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast”
..for more examples, just READ..
For the "surviving digestion" concept...read the story of Jonah..
Mark 16:18 "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"
And to read an example the 'human' sacrifice, read the story of Jephthah...
Hahah, thank you much. I tend to be more knowledgeable than my opposition... I enjoy learning so its easier for me I suppose... that and I dont enjoy having wrong information so if people might possess new intel, I jump at the chance to talk to them.
Isaiah 45:18-"For this is what the LORD says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other."
^That's the verse.
Jonah-You ought to read up on whales. If something in a whale's stomach is alive, digestion does not happen.
I can see there is no point in debating this, you pointed out the verse that I showed YOU and said its counter evidence...
As for Jonah, the book's original context claims a "large fish" is what swallowed him, and regardless, three days inside ANY animal WILL kill a human.
For Jephthah, god knew what would be the first thing out of that house, yet he went ahead and let Jephthat make the deal, didnt stop him either.
Mark 16:18, do me a favor, drink a deadly liquid and THEN reply.
A whale(I'm unsure of other fish) will not start digestion with living food like a human in its stomach. It will also always have air in its stomach. Survival for three days and nights is thus not entirely implausible.
@piekraft "It will also always have air in its stomach" It may have air in it but does it have a process for inhaling oxygen and exhaling CO2 from its many stomachs? Why would it have this feature as a part of nature?
Wow... just...wow. Alright, even if a human somehow knew how to extract the oxygen from the animal's blood and muscle groups, how would a human have survived the oceanic pressure changes when a whale dives to about...hmm.. around 4000 feet?
I'll tell you what... I solemnly promise you this.. if you you can find someone psychotic enough to actually climb inside a fish (or a whale) and have them survive three days.... I will convert to your religion...
although it would be much easier for your god with all his power to simply talk to me, like he did back in biblical times when he spoke to everyone clearly through burning shrubbery and tornadoesque wind storms.
Well im more than willing to believe in a supernatural entity.. but none seem to be willing to step up, not even when I asked every day and night.
Then I started being honest with myself. Self honesty turned my entire life around, and Ive never been happier with the person I am. I highly recommend it. :]
@CRUSH3Rdlux If your open for suggestion,I would suggest reading in Matthew.The NT where Jesus comes into the picture.It helped me,I will pray for you and believe me when I say that.I don't just spew it and not mean it.I hope and pray many blessings come to you and yours :)
Actually Deuteronomy is the one that really stuck with me. However, you should be aware that it was my knowledge of the stories that caused me to completely reject the notions. The more youre aware of in the stories, the less convincing they become.
I appreciate the sentiment of your prayers though.
@CRUSH3Rdlux I'm truly surprised. You're one of the few Atheists I've met, who are willing to debate in a civil manner... If I may, I would say that it was the study of the suggestive evidence for the stories of Deuteronomy that led me to believe them. Still, one cannot, with any level of intellectual safety, discount the fact that improperly-stored evidence gets destroyed over time... a fact that puts many criminals out on the streets, to commit their crimes again. We can only use what we have.
@CRUSH3Rdlux In other words, you're a denialist. Were God to drag you up to Heaven, and give you angels' wings, you'd probably make up some lame excuse for why it didn't happen; and why God, the wings, and Heaven were all just figments of your imagination. Your post was ad-ignorantium at it's most hilarious. Honestly, what horrible event made you shut your eyes, block out all suggestions, bury your head in the sand, and claim that God can't possibly exist, just because He's bigger than you?
El oh el, if god got off his high chair and took me to heaven, I really wouldnt have much of a choice but to believe that its real, now would I? But then again, I wouldnt believe it... I would actually "know" it. And THAT is what I aim for. Id rather not leave anything to hope.
Perhaps it is just me, but I am much more comfortable when I aware of reality.
@CRUSH3Rdlux That statement sounds more like agnosticism than atheism, at least to me. From what I understand of atheism, atheism necessitates the blatant rejection of the possibility of deity; whereas agnosticism is the admission that one does not know for certain either way, and is discontent to trust deduction and supposition for workable theories.
Very very close, your description of agnosticism is quite on point, but "atheism" is more accurately just the lack of belief in a supreme being or beings.
And I would consider myself more of an 'anti-theist' than anything. I am one of those people who finds religions as a negative that society could be much better off without.
Now as for biblical proof, its just like the ancient depictions of Osiris and Anubis reigning over the afterlife. Their validity is equivalent.
@CRUSH3Rdlux So, if I may conjecture, that would make agnosticism a branch of atheism?
I, for one, don't doubt the existence of Osiris or Anubis, on some level. I also don't doubt that they may have made their followers believe their claims; nor do I doubt that the stories about them would be at least partially true about a true "savior". However, they just don't match up to the description of a God; and the very nature of their being makes them inadequate as "saviors", as well.
@CRUSH3Rdlux Also, for the most part, I can see your perspective on religion. It is, indeed, true that many religious people have manipulated their religions to suit themselves, and many religious movements have become corrupted over time. However, three factors stand out most notably to me:
1: Religious teachings, by themselves, often condemn such practices.
2: Religious individuals are not ultimate indicators of their religion.
3: Religion has convinced many corrupt people to turn "good".
1 - its true that religions condemn those who use the religion to serve individualistic purposes, however the teachings themselves, when placed in the scope of contemporary social views, are barbaric and cruel.
2 - I absolutely 100% agree.
3 - Well "good" is a matter of perception. Murder is an "evil" act, is it not? But then again, if the one who was killed was attempting to murder others, was it an evil act... or a 'good' one?But I still agree
@CRUSH3Rdlux I'll be mixing the points together, a little, on this post.
1: A: Many contemporary social views have been developed from religion, itself. The issue at hand therein, is the emphasis on which particular doctrine; by which others are best interpreted.
1: B:/3: Exactly my point, when it comes to religious writings... especially the Bible. Perhaps, in one way or another, there is some explanation for the seemingly-atrocious act. That's why cross-referencing is so important...
I can see where you came to your conclusion, and it is a very easy viewpoint to acquire. However, think about the development of a civilization.
Lets say a group of humans who have developed a system of communication have been living together long enough to protect each other, and hunt together efficiently. Did they spring out of nowhere with a religion, or did they gradually develop a system of beliefs (theism) that suited them and answered questions that needed answering?
... it's also entirely possible that their religion is the result of their experiences, and historical events. It doesn't have to be completely untrue; and, in cases in which opinions are levied as facts without reason, most religions will admit that theirs is not the only way... for example: Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism).
Youre spot on when you said "religion is the result of their experiences, and historical events." That is exactly why I see the moral 'points' of the tales, and dont consider them as facts. To me the gods were symbols, however as time passed and newer religions emerged, the gods were not so peaceful. After all, in order to survive AND thrive, you needed to conquer those who could oppose you. That is why the older religions were typically not as dominant, and died off.
@CRUSH3Rdlux I'll give you that one. If God is - and I believe He is, - He is, more than likely, far more than what He revealed of Himself in the Bible. Likewise, people have attributed all kinds of things to supernatural powers. The difference in the Bible is, while most things are attributed to natural causes, the origin of those causes is attributed to God: in other words, God made all things, and occasionally intervenes, but usually lets cycles work as they will.
Well the creation of Yahweh is an example of the more dominant religions taking hold. The only old religion that had serious aggression was the old Norse Viking beliefs. However, they were traditionalists in combat and warfare, so when technology and enemy numbers surpassed them, they were doomed.
Judaism was generally founded on the backs of warriors who (if the bible is accurate regarding their beliefs) believed that the lands of others were divine gifts to be plundered.
@CRUSH3Rdlux That could be one interpretation. However, considering that the Bible is the only complete record we have of the civilizations that were "plundered", and it describes some of the atrocities in which their people were complicit - child-sacrifice and ritual prostitution (tantamount to rape and pedophilia, in some cases), - one would have to presume (I do, anyway,) that, if the records are true, the Israelites were more than justified... they were, in fact, heroes.
Well I wouldnt call a band of maruaders "heroes." According to the bible, they were only following instructions of one man, who was receiving commands from one god. When Moses led his people out of Egypt, the only reason they had to fight was because god "hardened pharoh's heart" so that the pharoh wouldnt simply let them pass.
If we read the story critically, its like god (Yahewh) set up a game to play in which two armies fought one another.
@CRUSH3Rdlux Seems like that sometimes, doesn't it? However, we note that the pharaoh was abusing and murdering the slaves long before the Bible says God hardened his heart. In fact, we note that, even after God stopped hardening his heart, the pharaoh still pursued the Israelites; and, all throughout the text, it says that the pharaoh also hardened his own heart.
@CRUSH3Rdlux Given all the reasons given for the plagues and death, as well as these other seemingly-conflicting facts and the statements about God not tempting, and the Devil and mankind tempting mankind, it would seem that the way in which God takes the blame for hardening the pharaoh's heart is the same way in which He takes the blame for creating evil in Isaiah: He made it possible. However, the choice is still ours to make, and it was still Pharaoh's to make.
Well now we come to the concept of free will, which is a different and much broader subject than the origins of religion and the concept of god. Biblically speaking, god created all things with a plan for them and a direction. Consider this, if god knows what your grandchildren will do, what can you do to upset that plan? He knows all things right to the end of our time, and if so, we can not do anything he did not plan for us to do. Basically, we following our unseen orders.
@CRUSH3Rdlux The problem is, one can know something is about to happen, without forcing someone to make a decision they don't want to make. God may know everything, but He still gives us all kinds of options. He leaves the decision up to us, knowing that He has already organized an ultimate goal. We can still attempt to defy that goal, if we choose; we just will probably fail. That's still not a restriction on will; it's a restriction on power.
I dont think you see the flaw in that reasoning. Consider this, lets say god planned for your son to do a skateboard that would change history. Now you meet the woman NEEDED for the genetic mix to have that boy, but you choose to date and marry, and eventually die with someone else. Does this mean that god's plan was wrong? If so, he has no omniscience.. By saying that we have a choice, it means that we can do something he did not expect, or break his plan, therefore he CANT know.
@CRUSH3Rdlux Okay... let's take that hypothetical...
God plans for my son to be a great skateboarder. I choose the wife God didn't plan for me to be with. Naturally, there will be all kinds of problems in the relationship (as with the story of Abraham and Hagar, or Jacob and his two wives), and my child might not start out naturally talented. Then again, if he tries enough, he might get that way. It seems that God's plans for individuals are scheduled around convenience...
Youre missing a lot of the concept here. God knows what your great grandchildren will do, their first words, everything.. however, if you can choose to have any other mate than the one needed to result in that future, everything will be different. In accordance with the theology, this would remove either omniscience or omnipotence. But thats another subject el oh el.
Having a different mate changes the child, which changes THEIR child, and so on. Thus, god would not know.
@CRUSH3Rdlux No, I'm getting the premises you're proposing. I'm positing a different conclusion, based on the fact that an omniscient God would be able to already preconceive of all the possibilities, and an omnipotent God would be able to plan accordingly. Even if God did make a plan for a child to become the best skateboarder in the world, or something like that, God would make it so His ultimate plan still succeeded, even if the child pursues another dream. Satan's plans fail; God's don't.
@CRUSH3Rdlux ... while His plans for events are based around necessity.
I'm living in a motel, because I don't have a place to live. Either God is not omniscient - which would be nearly impossible, given His "nature", - I screwed up God's plan - which, in comparison to God's "nature", seems extremely unlikely, - or, God's ultimate plan goes on, and He allows us free will in matters that don't pertain to His plan... even in that regard, He could make it so, no matter our choice, His plan works
@CRUSH3Rdlux It is the luxury to make our own plans and efforts, which constitutes our free will. It is also God's love and wisdom that make His plan inevitable, whether we're in on it or not. However, it is God's justice that allows us to have a choice in the matter.
@CRUSH3Rdlux I may not be the most efficient orator on the matter; but, I hope I've efficiently shown that volition doesn't necessitate the potential failure of a plan.
Here's another example. Suppose God made a bomb. He knew we might try to diffuse it, so He coated all the wires in the same colour. He knew we might trace the wires to the components, so He rigged a pressure-sensitive trigger. He knew we might diffuse it, so He made and planted more than we could handle. We still try, right?
@CRUSH3Rdlux This is where teleology and utilitarianism come in: teleology is the idea that, because everything has potential for a purpose, ideally, everything has a purpose that fits the potential. Utilitarianism, in the basic form, is the idea that goodness is the natural state of being, and constitutes anything that provides the greatest benefit - and least detriment, - to the greatest number, variety, and need of Creation.
@CRUSH3Rdlux A cliche': "It must be right, because it works". Hence, for me, the fact that every event and creation has at least a modicum of potentially resultant benefit necessitates a benevolent, unnatural essence: only in a universe made by such an essence, could such a benevolent result always be possible.
@CRUSH3Rdlux Also, I will agree that many deities were representations of natural occurrences. It's inevitable for people to, in one way or another, deify whatever they perceive to be the ultimate cause and inspiration behind nature, life, and every occurrence... even going so far as to claim that nature itself is as close to a deity as anyone can get. There's not really much we actually disagree on, is there?
@CRUSH3Rdlux Can you prove any alternative to those stories? Can you enlighten us as to what actually happened to inspire them, and prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt? If not, how is your position anywhere near superior?
No one can prove anything about any of the ancient tales of heroic human (or inhuman) deeds. Can your prove Hercules was not the son of the king of gods, Zeus? Of course not, but judging by knowledge of human tendencies to tell tall tales of superhumans and monsters in order to explain things they didnt understand, and/or as a means of entertainment... I would have to say we can both agree, the stories of the son of god appear to just be commonly exaggerated folk lore.
@CRUSH3Rdlux Here's where we disagree: while I will admit that cultures tend to make up aspects of stories they have passed down for centuries, I cannot find conclusive evidence that the stories were corrupted over time; and I can only presume that these are either eyewitness stories, or stories based on the evidence that was available at the time. I'm not saying there's absolute proof for them; I'm just saying I'm not ready to discount them on the sole basis that there is no absolute proof.
@piekraft I'm sorry to have to say this... I really am... but I'm not too sure about that. The air in the stomach is not just oxygen. Once it gets done with the stomach-acid, it would become hard to breathe... let-alone for three days and nights. Not saying the event absolutely didn't occur, obviously; just saying it's hard to accept that there was much breathable oxygen in the acidic stomach...
Look around you people. There's a sun that keeps us warm, There's the Moon telling us the day is over. There are Thousand's of species around the globe. There is Fresh water for me and you to drink. End of the day, The Sun goes down causing a beautiful view. Our Bodys are 37*C, keeping us at the right warmth. We have thousands of decisions to make in everyday life. Now tell me, Is there a God?
Is it at all feasible to regard all the precise geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions.
@1tabligh how can people dislike your comment, it makes more sense than this video. However materialism doesn't have one eye closed, it's open and looking as hard as it can, it just isn't afraid to say that the other eye can't see anything and doesn't start to make stuff up. Just look at the video this is responded to about theology.
@1tabligh look at what I said very carefully. I in no way denied the existence of any supernatural deity let alone your god. I just said that the materialism is all we can know for sure. I just don't see the point in making stuff up or believing in anything made up.
I just said that the materialism is all we can know for sure.
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Nope!
Is it not true that all the things we accept and believe to exist have an existence belonging to the same category as our own or as things that are visible to us?
Can we see or feel everything in this material world?
again look at my wording very carefully I said 'can' which is different from will, there are some things in nature that we we never know but not because of anything preventing us physically, but our technology cannot find it. Okay maybe there are some material things we can't know but we have less chance of knowing about immaterial ideas
What proof exists to substantiate the claim that being is equivalent to matter and that the whole world of being consists of material entities?
What scientist rejecting metaphysics has ever been able to found his denial on logic or proof, or to furnish evidence that beyond absolute non-being, nothing exists outside the seen realm?
okay that's it I'm done I'll just leave with, there could be something metaphysical that is beyond materialism, but we can't know what it is, if we could we would call is material, that's the whole point, what we can find and detect is defined as material, so we cannot by definition detect anything immaterial or it wouldn't be immaterial. So now what is the point of speculation.
All deluded atheists are aware that many of the things known to us consist of matters and realities that we cannot sense and with which we are not customarily familiar. There are many invisible beings in the universe. The progress of science and knowledge in the present age have uncovered numerous truths of this kind, and one of the richest chapters in scientific research is the transformation of matter into energy. ...
When the beings and bodies that are visible in this world wish to produce energy, they are compelled to change their original aspect and transform it into energy.
Now is this energy—the axis on which turn many of the motions and changes of the universe— visible or tangible?
Belief in the Reality of the Unseen Involves More than God
Modern physics tells us that the things of which we have sense perception are firm, solid and stable, and there is no visible energy in their motions. But despite outward appearances, what we, in fact, see and perceive is a mass of atoms that are neither firm nor solid nor stable; all things are nothing other than transformation, change and motion. ....
What our sense organs imagine to be stable and motionless lack all stability and permanence and immobility; motion, change and development embrace them all, without this being perceptible to us by way of direct sensory observation.
If I understand your point, you're saying that beauty is fleeting but intellgience, like a fine wine, only gets better with age. Bravo to you for reminding us. :)
this is a funny video... next you'll be putting up pictures of tom cruise and promoting 'scientology' based on that 60's sci-fi novel... I mean really... joking aside, what have ditsy glam models got for us to gain, except maybe beauty tips and aspirational value!? scary shit.
Did any of you see the pictures on the internet of Pat Condell at the Essence Festival in New Orleans? He (Pat Condell) was dressed up like Cinderella and he was holding hands with a Drag Queen, in between them was Richard Simmons blowing a kiss! They are funny as hell, yall go to go check them out!
What is it about atheists (Patrica Condell) that he would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that he don't believe even exists, as if he can't escape thinking about the possibility of God? Part of his quest is to become free from the question of God. If he could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and he would be free to go about his life, but no, he keeps on bumping his gums like a man in a self induced prison.
Some people regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Atheism and Materialism looks at the world with one eye closed and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Unfortunately Lodgique your line of thinking (if i can call it that ) is best known as an educated fool meaning: your book smart however you lack spiritual discernment
Thanks for the endorsements, sunshine; I do appreciate being thought of as someone who is educated -- an attribute which does not seem all that applicable in your case. As for your accusations about me lacking 'spiritual discernment', I challenge you to provide a coherent account of 'spirituality', let alone make assessments of other people's spiritual character. And you embrace a hallucination about an invisible man in the sky, and you are telling me that I can't make spiritual discernments?
your line of thinking (if i can call it that) is known as 'pascals wager'. personally, i can't make myself believe in something when all of the evidence points to the contrary. i would like to believe that i have 3 million dollars in my bank account, but if i did believe this I WOULD BE CRAZY! similarly, it would be lovely to think that i am being watched over by some big daddy in the sky, and that, when i die, i am going to a place called heaven but if i believed that, again, I WOULD BE NUTS!
why did you put Brittney Spears in there? She is a Christian after all!!!! Just like Sarah Palin's daughter and Jimmy Swaggart and the governor of South Carolina and every other example of what NOT to be like.
@ReligionIsSophistry Wow. Thanks for that blanket statement of prejudice. I guess, as a Christian, I'm an example of what NOT to be like, too? Hmm... I guess the Atheists are far more charitable, and morally far superior to us. Oh, wait: Atheists statistically give and do less charitably, support pedophiles and pedophilia (as in Dawkins' defense of "loving pedophiles" and O'Hare's belief in encouraging five-year-olds to have sex)... oh yeah, and 100 million deaths by Atheist politicians.
lol, all three girls are nasty stupid broads that i was sick of hearing about the moment i heard about them. they're not "competition" for anyone as far as i'm concerned
What does it mean to be superficial?...and what does it mean to be serious?...and to not take life too seriously...check out videos by superwhuffo1 and wildmanthe1st
All homosexuals are "atheists," yet only 88.31% of "atheists" routinely engage in homosex. Statistics like these are life-affirming to the non-gay minority. Why do homosexuals find Darwinism, "atheism," self-mutilatory practices & collectivism so attractive? The murder-rate, recidivism and taxes are up as our young women & men wallow about on the floors, pitiably moaning for their mothers to "cook" another "fix."
Close to 90% claim to be Christian. It's not wrong to call all their argument against atheism pretty redundant too right? Not to leave out the fact they're all downright hypocritical and irrational.
Man is in his infancy. I find the philosophical rubbish that passes for science as regressive. Anyone who claims to be an "atheist" does so to avoid research. "Atheism" is the lazy man's way. Knowledgeable "atheists" are avoiding this venue as one would leprosy.
actually these "atheists" and agnostics (idk why you put that word in quotations) are doing a lot of research to find out how the world was made and other things such as Einstein , Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan and who could forget Richard Dawkins
Church bells are classed as noise pollution. If anyone has a church near them see my latest video on how to get them to stop. This is done through the courts so legally you can make them stop for good. Spread the word and lets make a stand and draw a line. Enough of arguing with these retards. Show them that we mean business and start with muting their annoying bells. I think that will prove a point better than arguing tit for tat on issues they will never agree to. We have the power people.
Or were you just equating talented pretty young women with some kind of negative? Perhaps superficiality (cause your so DEEP) or the temptations of the flesh? Screw you.
after 4 months you try and counter an argument (more of a statement) that was made? Man... I dunno if that's sad or satisfying (because I know you aren't doing anything productive with your life)
YOU HAVE WROTE GOD BLESS ATHEISM THAT MEANS
YOUR HEART HAS PROVEN THAT GOD EXISTS BUT YOUR DIRTY INTENTIONS ARE DENYING IT(SATAN).
MY BROTHER WAS ON A PLANE TRAVELLING TO US & HE WAS READING HOLY QURAN.
WHEN THE PLANE WAS ABOUT TO LAND & IT STARTED SHAKING A LOT DUE TO VOLCANIC DAMAGE.
PEOPLE SCREAMING OH MY GOD. IT LANDED SAFELY. MY BROTHER ASKED A MAN NEXT TO HIM, DO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD? HE SAID 'NO'
BROTHER SAID THEN WHY DID YOU REMEMBER GOD WHEN PLANE WAS GOING TO CRASH.
MAN SHOCKD
KUzZ911 5 months ago
Compete with... Whores?
Diamixen 6 months ago
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mio68df 6 months ago
I wouldn't mind to "compete" with Vanessa Hudgens.
twooffour 8 months ago
Everyone is an atheist, some just go one god further. Best quote ever. lol
Valthepixie 9 months ago
atheists simply believe that they dont know how the universe got here and dont believe that there is a magical sky god who popped out of a cloud either and enjoy the life that they have using common sense to tell them what right or wrong and dont expect a reward for the things they do either.
theproblemsolver900 9 months ago
@theproblemsolver900 I never had peace of mind, until I became an Athiest :)
NowWhatRTheyUp2 9 months ago
@theproblemsolver900 don't believe you magic friend just pop up ether
Tony2438 6 months ago
They are sexy though lol
TheJtd123 10 months ago
I lawled. He's got a point.
joegt123 11 months ago
@TheBhodisattva Nice use of argumentum ad-populum...
dameon692002 1 year ago
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We have Faith That All the Universe Created by The God !!!
butt hey Atheist people if u can do this work for me i will believe that u r GOD
Make Some thing New without using any thing from the Universe
any one wana be GOD ? lol ok make some thing new without using a single atom from this universe :D then u will be GOD haha
JOB4HOME 1 year ago
A WARNING TO NON-RELIGIOUS PEOPLE FROM THE KORAN: You will be tortured forever in hell. Hell is a most unpleasant place. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. They will wish to come forth from the Fire, but they will not come forth from it. Theirs will be a lasting doom. For them is drink of boiling water and a painful doom, because they disbelieved.
blackgorrilla415 1 year ago
@blackgorrilla415 Troll
n8style 1 year ago
@n8style Sadly, I must agree.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@blackgorrilla415 SPOILER ALERT TO KORAN D00D: The Koran is not very truthful.
piekraft 1 year ago
@blackgorrilla415 but you've been telling us all along of the peaceful nature of islam...so either you're a liar or mohammad is because god is not a real thing.
JstNEarthling 11 months ago
lol at thirty eight - that chick on the left seems awfully interested in Brittany. Catchy music too. Still cant figure out the point of the video though
DarkStarAZ 1 year ago
@DarkStarAZ Looks like an advertisement to me...
dameon692002 1 year ago
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Poor atheists. It is hard for babies/kids to understand their parents as it is hard for atheists to understand God because they are not omnipotent, omniscience, omnibenevolent, or Eternal. It is GOD's Exaggeratedly power that confuse most human beings because our minds cannot possibly comprehend HIS Attributes completely.
Airlightf 1 year ago
Old geezers do not listen to such lousy music.
cw1310 1 year ago
You misguided, ignorant fool! Watching Pat Condell's videos has helped me and I'm sure thousands of other people to diminish their fear of hell. Most religious organizations are bullies that need to be stood up to. Without the great work of people like Pat, our world would likely slip into another dark age. Do you really want governments to base their decisions on the beliefs of writers who didn't have the use of microscopes, telescopes, or even running water!?
superfalcon123 1 year ago
@superfalcon123 Hmm...but God would certainly trump all of those.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft God does trump all those IF he is real and IF he is loving, helpful, and intelligent. The God of the Bible (in a LOT of places) is petty, vindictive, cruel, jealous, and savage (slavery, infanticide, approving of rape - see the story of Lot). Granted, SOME parts of the bible picture God as a loving Father. I just hope that no all powerful tyrant exists.
superfalcon123 1 year ago
@superfalcon123 Hmm, note that nobody was innocent whom He judged. When He took out cities they were being judged. Also, slavery in those times was a way for poor people to work for a living; it was not cruel and kidnapping(the slave trade of more recent times is against the Bible completely).
Also, where exactly is rape condoned?
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft Exodus 21:20, 21 NAS "if a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property" I have to get to work, more Bible verses coming.
superfalcon123 1 year ago
@superfalcon123 And more bullshit with them. The bible isn't evidense so shut up already; we sthiests just dont care.
Sugardaddy501 1 year ago
@Sugardaddy501 Did you mean you are an atheist? (you misspelled that word). I was pointing out to piekraft that the Bible DOES condone slavery, not using the Bible as evidence that God is real. I dissaprove of the character Yahweh as depicted in the Old Testament, but that does NOT mean that I believe that Yahweh is real. You need to get your facts straight before you go butting into other people's conversations, especially when they are just trying to do some good in the world.
superfalcon123 1 year ago
@piekraft
I would recommend you read the Book of Numbers first... then go read the Book of the Law.... if you can walk away from those books as a christian thinking nothing is wrong, youre so corrupted that this conversation is literally without purpose.
...It shows that youre the type of person with whom no one can convince you that the sky is blue unless YOU want to believe its blue..
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux I've read the Law. Point out one wrong thing done by God.
And I'm assuming you're a nonChristian. Read up on the evidence proving Jesus rose from His tomb. If you've seen the evidence and still see no reason to call Him God, then you clearly won't believe anything you don't want to believe.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
I have read both new and old testimants.... its just a simple collection of stories... so is the mother goose's nursery collection... Now had the kings and rulers of the time written scores of stories about the wonders of a man named "jesus" who was the christ... I would be utterly convinced.
Now if you can read that god commands the stoning of children TO DEATH simply for being disobedient and think that it is just... youre cruel, and I just hope you do not reproduce
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Firstly you must note the high number of witnesses to Jesus after the resurrection. Then of course modern Jews even note than He performed many miracles, and they are very opposed to Him.
Also, a simple collection of stories does not contain scientific facts that would not be discovered for thousands of years more.
Please cite the verses you are referring to. Then I can hopefully explain how God is being just.
Also remember you have no position of authority to judge God.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
Alright, again... thousands of people marvelled at him and his wonders ....yet.... its ONLY found in ONE book.... I dont care if the book claims he came and ended a race of gargoyles, if there is no proof, his story is on the same level as Horus's battle with Set every morning.. you cannot prove it true or false, you can just be out of your mind for believing its happening.
Also, here is a fun quote for you to look up... Deuteronomy 21:18 ...start there... have a look around.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux "ts ONLY found in ONE book."
Using a false statement as the crux of your argument is very poor.
" you cannot prove it true or false,"
Already proven true
Dt 21:18....read it. At least four times now. God tells His people what to do with rebellious children.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother...Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." .. -Deuteronomy 21:18 ....if you can stand behind that and think you have morals, you have genuinely lost all sense of compassion, and you are a lesser being than a beast....at least they have some form of sympathy...
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux And from where are you deriving this idea of morality that you hold? The only logical atheistic stance would be that we are animals thus acting on (complex) instinct and therefore there is morality and in fact killing a rebelious son would be the most "logical" choice, therefore to hold a consistent worldview you MUST agree.
Furthermore, if you understood the context of this command, it may clear things up. The Isralites were all in th wilderness surviving hostile nations. A rebl
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
I will respond to both concepts together.
It takes many men to make a nation, to make an army...ALL children are rebelious to some degree at at least one point or another..if these children would be stoned to death for simple matters of 'disobedience'(something that could be easily mended with rewards and punishments)then the army would be thin, the nation weak, thus it would not survive.Our basic morality changes with the needs of survival as a species.Thus killing sons is immoral.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Of course, this is all depending on the definition of rebellious. At the time there were many who would turn against the Israelites or turn against God and worship false idols. The first would be a risk to the nation and the second an even greater risk as they could pull others away from God, which is worse than death.
"Our basic morality changes with the needs of survival as a species."
What makes this moral?
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
It says in the text "will not heed the voice of his father, (nor) mother." This means "if he will not listen to commands." There have been times when my father has told me to go out and build a shed in his backyard, I did not because I didnt know how. By god's law, he had every right to kill me violently.
And you speak of moral as if morals are some form of absolute factor. Note that it is a term used to differentiate between what is defined as "good" or "bad" ..theyre just words.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@piekraft
My apologies for being so lengthy in my resonse, but I tend to ramble at times..
But to continue, our "morals" are that which we define as "good" and "bad" .. they are developed through interactions with others in which we learn that actions producing a positive reaction are often beneficial and well received, thus defined as "good" ..while on the other hand actions that produce negative responses and reactions that are more harmful become refered to as "bad" or "evil"
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
Morals are absolutely absolute. God gave an absolute set. The idea of each person defining their own idea of right and wrong and all being equal in value is absurd, as none has any solid foundation; furthermore all would be meaningless as they'd contradict each other and it'd have no sense to say ANYTHING is wrong. Thus all atrocities must be condoned.
As for rebellion, there's a difference between obeying but not knowing and not obeying at all.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
Funny how the same book of absolute knowledge of right and wrong also tells us the earth is fixed on pillars and has edges, a man can survive an intestinal track for three days without harm, people may drink deadly liquids without harm, and that burning creatures (including humans) is somehow a type of currency with the god(s).
Now it seems strange that god is so much more about "love" and "kindness" in these times with a modern society, compared to the god of the old books.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Citation, please.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm"
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast”
..for more examples, just READ..
For the "surviving digestion" concept...read the story of Jonah..
Mark 16:18 "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"
And to read an example the 'human' sacrifice, read the story of Jephthah...
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux piekraft was pwned. Well done sir.
epanek 1 year ago
@epanek
Hahah, thank you much. I tend to be more knowledgeable than my opposition... I enjoy learning so its easier for me I suppose... that and I dont enjoy having wrong information so if people might possess new intel, I jump at the chance to talk to them.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
Psalm 93:1-As in stable
Isaiah 45:18-"For this is what the LORD says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other."
^That's the verse.
Jonah-You ought to read up on whales. If something in a whale's stomach is alive, digestion does not happen.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
I can see there is no point in debating this, you pointed out the verse that I showed YOU and said its counter evidence...
As for Jonah, the book's original context claims a "large fish" is what swallowed him, and regardless, three days inside ANY animal WILL kill a human.
For Jephthah, god knew what would be the first thing out of that house, yet he went ahead and let Jephthat make the deal, didnt stop him either.
Mark 16:18, do me a favor, drink a deadly liquid and THEN reply.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
What?
Jonah-"three [. . .] a human" In that statement you are mistaken. As I said in my previous post, as long as one is alive, the whale will not digest.
Jephithah-apologeticspress org/articles/2320
^Long answer, easier to link
Mark 16:18-So I did some more research(as debates lead me to do) and I'm finding the earliest manuscripts don't have Mark 16:9-20...
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
Alright, lets put all other things aside because I am utterly astounded by this..
Are you suggesting that without any special equipment, a human can survive three days inside a fish (regardless of it being a whale)?!
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
A whale(I'm unsure of other fish) will not start digestion with living food like a human in its stomach. It will also always have air in its stomach. Survival for three days and nights is thus not entirely implausible.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft A whale esophagus is 18 inches at most. Good luck getting thru that as a grown man.
epanek 1 year ago
@piekraft "It will also always have air in its stomach" It may have air in it but does it have a process for inhaling oxygen and exhaling CO2 from its many stomachs? Why would it have this feature as a part of nature?
epanek 1 year ago
@piekraft
Wow... just...wow. Alright, even if a human somehow knew how to extract the oxygen from the animal's blood and muscle groups, how would a human have survived the oceanic pressure changes when a whale dives to about...hmm.. around 4000 feet?
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
He didn't extract it from the blood; there's oxygen in the stomach.
Anyway, pressure in the stomach is maintained.
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft
I have to stop before my brain explodes...
I'll tell you what... I solemnly promise you this.. if you you can find someone psychotic enough to actually climb inside a fish (or a whale) and have them survive three days.... I will convert to your religion...
although it would be much easier for your god with all his power to simply talk to me, like he did back in biblical times when he spoke to everyone clearly through burning shrubbery and tornadoesque wind storms.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
No need to just look a few things up. Just keep telling yourself your right based on assumptions.
And it's rather impossible to hear if you're blocking it out.
piekraft 1 year ago
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mommastcb 1 year ago
@mommastcb
Well im more than willing to believe in a supernatural entity.. but none seem to be willing to step up, not even when I asked every day and night.
Then I started being honest with myself. Self honesty turned my entire life around, and Ive never been happier with the person I am. I highly recommend it. :]
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux If your open for suggestion,I would suggest reading in Matthew.The NT where Jesus comes into the picture.It helped me,I will pray for you and believe me when I say that.I don't just spew it and not mean it.I hope and pray many blessings come to you and yours :)
mommastcb 1 year ago
@mommastcb
Actually Deuteronomy is the one that really stuck with me. However, you should be aware that it was my knowledge of the stories that caused me to completely reject the notions. The more youre aware of in the stories, the less convincing they become.
I appreciate the sentiment of your prayers though.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux I'm truly surprised. You're one of the few Atheists I've met, who are willing to debate in a civil manner... If I may, I would say that it was the study of the suggestive evidence for the stories of Deuteronomy that led me to believe them. Still, one cannot, with any level of intellectual safety, discount the fact that improperly-stored evidence gets destroyed over time... a fact that puts many criminals out on the streets, to commit their crimes again. We can only use what we have.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux In other words, you're a denialist. Were God to drag you up to Heaven, and give you angels' wings, you'd probably make up some lame excuse for why it didn't happen; and why God, the wings, and Heaven were all just figments of your imagination. Your post was ad-ignorantium at it's most hilarious. Honestly, what horrible event made you shut your eyes, block out all suggestions, bury your head in the sand, and claim that God can't possibly exist, just because He's bigger than you?
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
El oh el, if god got off his high chair and took me to heaven, I really wouldnt have much of a choice but to believe that its real, now would I? But then again, I wouldnt believe it... I would actually "know" it. And THAT is what I aim for. Id rather not leave anything to hope.
Perhaps it is just me, but I am much more comfortable when I aware of reality.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux That statement sounds more like agnosticism than atheism, at least to me. From what I understand of atheism, atheism necessitates the blatant rejection of the possibility of deity; whereas agnosticism is the admission that one does not know for certain either way, and is discontent to trust deduction and supposition for workable theories.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
Very very close, your description of agnosticism is quite on point, but "atheism" is more accurately just the lack of belief in a supreme being or beings.
And I would consider myself more of an 'anti-theist' than anything. I am one of those people who finds religions as a negative that society could be much better off without.
Now as for biblical proof, its just like the ancient depictions of Osiris and Anubis reigning over the afterlife. Their validity is equivalent.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux So, if I may conjecture, that would make agnosticism a branch of atheism?
I, for one, don't doubt the existence of Osiris or Anubis, on some level. I also don't doubt that they may have made their followers believe their claims; nor do I doubt that the stories about them would be at least partially true about a true "savior". However, they just don't match up to the description of a God; and the very nature of their being makes them inadequate as "saviors", as well.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Also, for the most part, I can see your perspective on religion. It is, indeed, true that many religious people have manipulated their religions to suit themselves, and many religious movements have become corrupted over time. However, three factors stand out most notably to me:
1: Religious teachings, by themselves, often condemn such practices.
2: Religious individuals are not ultimate indicators of their religion.
3: Religion has convinced many corrupt people to turn "good".
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
To address these point by point:
1 - its true that religions condemn those who use the religion to serve individualistic purposes, however the teachings themselves, when placed in the scope of contemporary social views, are barbaric and cruel.
2 - I absolutely 100% agree.
3 - Well "good" is a matter of perception. Murder is an "evil" act, is it not? But then again, if the one who was killed was attempting to murder others, was it an evil act... or a 'good' one?But I still agree
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux I'll be mixing the points together, a little, on this post.
1: A: Many contemporary social views have been developed from religion, itself. The issue at hand therein, is the emphasis on which particular doctrine; by which others are best interpreted.
1: B:/3: Exactly my point, when it comes to religious writings... especially the Bible. Perhaps, in one way or another, there is some explanation for the seemingly-atrocious act. That's why cross-referencing is so important...
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
I can see where you came to your conclusion, and it is a very easy viewpoint to acquire. However, think about the development of a civilization.
Lets say a group of humans who have developed a system of communication have been living together long enough to protect each other, and hunt together efficiently. Did they spring out of nowhere with a religion, or did they gradually develop a system of beliefs (theism) that suited them and answered questions that needed answering?
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Good point, but...
... it's also entirely possible that their religion is the result of their experiences, and historical events. It doesn't have to be completely untrue; and, in cases in which opinions are levied as facts without reason, most religions will admit that theirs is not the only way... for example: Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism).
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
Youre spot on when you said "religion is the result of their experiences, and historical events." That is exactly why I see the moral 'points' of the tales, and dont consider them as facts. To me the gods were symbols, however as time passed and newer religions emerged, the gods were not so peaceful. After all, in order to survive AND thrive, you needed to conquer those who could oppose you. That is why the older religions were typically not as dominant, and died off.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux I'll give you that one. If God is - and I believe He is, - He is, more than likely, far more than what He revealed of Himself in the Bible. Likewise, people have attributed all kinds of things to supernatural powers. The difference in the Bible is, while most things are attributed to natural causes, the origin of those causes is attributed to God: in other words, God made all things, and occasionally intervenes, but usually lets cycles work as they will.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
Well the creation of Yahweh is an example of the more dominant religions taking hold. The only old religion that had serious aggression was the old Norse Viking beliefs. However, they were traditionalists in combat and warfare, so when technology and enemy numbers surpassed them, they were doomed.
Judaism was generally founded on the backs of warriors who (if the bible is accurate regarding their beliefs) believed that the lands of others were divine gifts to be plundered.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux That could be one interpretation. However, considering that the Bible is the only complete record we have of the civilizations that were "plundered", and it describes some of the atrocities in which their people were complicit - child-sacrifice and ritual prostitution (tantamount to rape and pedophilia, in some cases), - one would have to presume (I do, anyway,) that, if the records are true, the Israelites were more than justified... they were, in fact, heroes.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
Well I wouldnt call a band of maruaders "heroes." According to the bible, they were only following instructions of one man, who was receiving commands from one god. When Moses led his people out of Egypt, the only reason they had to fight was because god "hardened pharoh's heart" so that the pharoh wouldnt simply let them pass.
If we read the story critically, its like god (Yahewh) set up a game to play in which two armies fought one another.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Seems like that sometimes, doesn't it? However, we note that the pharaoh was abusing and murdering the slaves long before the Bible says God hardened his heart. In fact, we note that, even after God stopped hardening his heart, the pharaoh still pursued the Israelites; and, all throughout the text, it says that the pharaoh also hardened his own heart.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Given all the reasons given for the plagues and death, as well as these other seemingly-conflicting facts and the statements about God not tempting, and the Devil and mankind tempting mankind, it would seem that the way in which God takes the blame for hardening the pharaoh's heart is the same way in which He takes the blame for creating evil in Isaiah: He made it possible. However, the choice is still ours to make, and it was still Pharaoh's to make.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
Well now we come to the concept of free will, which is a different and much broader subject than the origins of religion and the concept of god. Biblically speaking, god created all things with a plan for them and a direction. Consider this, if god knows what your grandchildren will do, what can you do to upset that plan? He knows all things right to the end of our time, and if so, we can not do anything he did not plan for us to do. Basically, we following our unseen orders.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux The problem is, one can know something is about to happen, without forcing someone to make a decision they don't want to make. God may know everything, but He still gives us all kinds of options. He leaves the decision up to us, knowing that He has already organized an ultimate goal. We can still attempt to defy that goal, if we choose; we just will probably fail. That's still not a restriction on will; it's a restriction on power.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
I dont think you see the flaw in that reasoning. Consider this, lets say god planned for your son to do a skateboard that would change history. Now you meet the woman NEEDED for the genetic mix to have that boy, but you choose to date and marry, and eventually die with someone else. Does this mean that god's plan was wrong? If so, he has no omniscience.. By saying that we have a choice, it means that we can do something he did not expect, or break his plan, therefore he CANT know.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Okay... let's take that hypothetical...
God plans for my son to be a great skateboarder. I choose the wife God didn't plan for me to be with. Naturally, there will be all kinds of problems in the relationship (as with the story of Abraham and Hagar, or Jacob and his two wives), and my child might not start out naturally talented. Then again, if he tries enough, he might get that way. It seems that God's plans for individuals are scheduled around convenience...
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
Youre missing a lot of the concept here. God knows what your great grandchildren will do, their first words, everything.. however, if you can choose to have any other mate than the one needed to result in that future, everything will be different. In accordance with the theology, this would remove either omniscience or omnipotence. But thats another subject el oh el.
Having a different mate changes the child, which changes THEIR child, and so on. Thus, god would not know.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux No, I'm getting the premises you're proposing. I'm positing a different conclusion, based on the fact that an omniscient God would be able to already preconceive of all the possibilities, and an omnipotent God would be able to plan accordingly. Even if God did make a plan for a child to become the best skateboarder in the world, or something like that, God would make it so His ultimate plan still succeeded, even if the child pursues another dream. Satan's plans fail; God's don't.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux ... while His plans for events are based around necessity.
I'm living in a motel, because I don't have a place to live. Either God is not omniscient - which would be nearly impossible, given His "nature", - I screwed up God's plan - which, in comparison to God's "nature", seems extremely unlikely, - or, God's ultimate plan goes on, and He allows us free will in matters that don't pertain to His plan... even in that regard, He could make it so, no matter our choice, His plan works
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux It is the luxury to make our own plans and efforts, which constitutes our free will. It is also God's love and wisdom that make His plan inevitable, whether we're in on it or not. However, it is God's justice that allows us to have a choice in the matter.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux I may not be the most efficient orator on the matter; but, I hope I've efficiently shown that volition doesn't necessitate the potential failure of a plan.
Here's another example. Suppose God made a bomb. He knew we might try to diffuse it, so He coated all the wires in the same colour. He knew we might trace the wires to the components, so He rigged a pressure-sensitive trigger. He knew we might diffuse it, so He made and planted more than we could handle. We still try, right?
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux This is where teleology and utilitarianism come in: teleology is the idea that, because everything has potential for a purpose, ideally, everything has a purpose that fits the potential. Utilitarianism, in the basic form, is the idea that goodness is the natural state of being, and constitutes anything that provides the greatest benefit - and least detriment, - to the greatest number, variety, and need of Creation.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux A cliche': "It must be right, because it works". Hence, for me, the fact that every event and creation has at least a modicum of potentially resultant benefit necessitates a benevolent, unnatural essence: only in a universe made by such an essence, could such a benevolent result always be possible.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Also, I will agree that many deities were representations of natural occurrences. It's inevitable for people to, in one way or another, deify whatever they perceive to be the ultimate cause and inspiration behind nature, life, and every occurrence... even going so far as to claim that nature itself is as close to a deity as anyone can get. There's not really much we actually disagree on, is there?
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Can you prove any alternative to those stories? Can you enlighten us as to what actually happened to inspire them, and prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt? If not, how is your position anywhere near superior?
dameon692002 1 year ago
@dameon692002
No one can prove anything about any of the ancient tales of heroic human (or inhuman) deeds. Can your prove Hercules was not the son of the king of gods, Zeus? Of course not, but judging by knowledge of human tendencies to tell tall tales of superhumans and monsters in order to explain things they didnt understand, and/or as a means of entertainment... I would have to say we can both agree, the stories of the son of god appear to just be commonly exaggerated folk lore.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Here's where we disagree: while I will admit that cultures tend to make up aspects of stories they have passed down for centuries, I cannot find conclusive evidence that the stories were corrupted over time; and I can only presume that these are either eyewitness stories, or stories based on the evidence that was available at the time. I'm not saying there's absolute proof for them; I'm just saying I'm not ready to discount them on the sole basis that there is no absolute proof.
dameon692002 1 year ago
@piekraft I'm sorry to have to say this... I really am... but I'm not too sure about that. The air in the stomach is not just oxygen. Once it gets done with the stomach-acid, it would become hard to breathe... let-alone for three days and nights. Not saying the event absolutely didn't occur, obviously; just saying it's hard to accept that there was much breathable oxygen in the acidic stomach...
dameon692002 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
Mark 16:18-Point?
Jephthah-Where does God condone this?
I cannot tell what your point is from your "evidence". :/ Why don't you read the Bible entirely rather than googling for overused flawed attacks?
piekraft 1 year ago
@piekraft "Morals are absolutely absolute.' Are God's laws moral because he decrees them so or are they moral and he is letting us know?
epanek 1 year ago
:30 :37 were hott, show more.
GGAlice1 1 year ago
Look around you people. There's a sun that keeps us warm, There's the Moon telling us the day is over. There are Thousand's of species around the globe. There is Fresh water for me and you to drink. End of the day, The Sun goes down causing a beautiful view. Our Bodys are 37*C, keeping us at the right warmth. We have thousands of decisions to make in everyday life. Now tell me, Is there a God?
MrGameRankings 1 year ago
@MrGameRankings Yes
piekraft 1 year ago
Boobs?
applefrog111 1 year ago
I STILL LOVE YOU OLD FOLKS
MrZpot1 1 year ago
This is 1 of the most useless vids I've ever seen on Youtube.
There were some eye-candy fotos,but still.
0(zero)stars.
SupremeGameslord 1 year ago
You think elderely people are trying to compete with Britney spears? What the fuck is wrong with you
shorm101 1 year ago
The atheist Delusion.
Is it at all feasible to regard all the precise geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions.
1tabligh 2 years ago
@1tabligh how can people dislike your comment, it makes more sense than this video. However materialism doesn't have one eye closed, it's open and looking as hard as it can, it just isn't afraid to say that the other eye can't see anything and doesn't start to make stuff up. Just look at the video this is responded to about theology.
TinBryn 2 years ago
Is your denial of God, then is, because, you have not felt Him with the senses given to us for knowing objects?
1tabligh 2 years ago
@1tabligh look at what I said very carefully. I in no way denied the existence of any supernatural deity let alone your god. I just said that the materialism is all we can know for sure. I just don't see the point in making stuff up or believing in anything made up.
TinBryn 2 years ago
I just said that the materialism is all we can know for sure.
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Nope!
Is it not true that all the things we accept and believe to exist have an existence belonging to the same category as our own or as things that are visible to us?
Can we see or feel everything in this material world?
Is it only God we cannot see with our senses?
1tabligh 2 years ago
again look at my wording very carefully I said 'can' which is different from will, there are some things in nature that we we never know but not because of anything preventing us physically, but our technology cannot find it. Okay maybe there are some material things we can't know but we have less chance of knowing about immaterial ideas
TinBryn 2 years ago
What proof exists to substantiate the claim that being is equivalent to matter and that the whole world of being consists of material entities?
What scientist rejecting metaphysics has ever been able to found his denial on logic or proof, or to furnish evidence that beyond absolute non-being, nothing exists outside the seen realm?
1tabligh 2 years ago
okay that's it I'm done I'll just leave with, there could be something metaphysical that is beyond materialism, but we can't know what it is, if we could we would call is material, that's the whole point, what we can find and detect is defined as material, so we cannot by definition detect anything immaterial or it wouldn't be immaterial. So now what is the point of speculation.
TinBryn 2 years ago
All deluded atheists are aware that many of the things known to us consist of matters and realities that we cannot sense and with which we are not customarily familiar. There are many invisible beings in the universe. The progress of science and knowledge in the present age have uncovered numerous truths of this kind, and one of the richest chapters in scientific research is the transformation of matter into energy. ...
1tabligh 2 years ago
When the beings and bodies that are visible in this world wish to produce energy, they are compelled to change their original aspect and transform it into energy.
Now is this energy—the axis on which turn many of the motions and changes of the universe— visible or tangible?
1tabligh 2 years ago
I'm not going to defend a strawman
TinBryn 2 years ago
Belief in the Reality of the Unseen Involves More than God
Modern physics tells us that the things of which we have sense perception are firm, solid and stable, and there is no visible energy in their motions. But despite outward appearances, what we, in fact, see and perceive is a mass of atoms that are neither firm nor solid nor stable; all things are nothing other than transformation, change and motion. ....
1tabligh 2 years ago
What our sense organs imagine to be stable and motionless lack all stability and permanence and immobility; motion, change and development embrace them all, without this being perceptible to us by way of direct sensory observation.
1tabligh 2 years ago
Interesting video, GetYourNameIn.
If I understand your point, you're saying that beauty is fleeting but intellgience, like a fine wine, only gets better with age. Bravo to you for reminding us. :)
genericmeatunit 2 years ago
Video big-badda-BOOM fail!
genericmeatunit 2 years ago
this is a funny video... next you'll be putting up pictures of tom cruise and promoting 'scientology' based on that 60's sci-fi novel... I mean really... joking aside, what have ditsy glam models got for us to gain, except maybe beauty tips and aspirational value!? scary shit.
fullywoolly 2 years ago
Did any of you see the pictures on the internet of Pat Condell at the Essence Festival in New Orleans? He (Pat Condell) was dressed up like Cinderella and he was holding hands with a Drag Queen, in between them was Richard Simmons blowing a kiss! They are funny as hell, yall go to go check them out!
God4uIAm 2 years ago
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What is it about atheists (Patrica Condell) that he would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that he don't believe even exists, as if he can't escape thinking about the possibility of God? Part of his quest is to become free from the question of God. If he could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and he would be free to go about his life, but no, he keeps on bumping his gums like a man in a self induced prison.
God4uIAm 2 years ago
God bless
cardinalsfan242424 2 years ago
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Some people regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Atheism and Materialism looks at the world with one eye closed and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
1tabligh 2 years ago
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sunshine772008 2 years ago
Hey sunshine -- there is a big dark cloud in your brain, and unfortunately, it is raining all over your ability to be rational.
Lodgique 2 years ago
Unfortunately Lodgique your line of thinking (if i can call it that ) is best known as an educated fool meaning: your book smart however you lack spiritual discernment
sunshine772008 2 years ago
Thanks for the endorsements, sunshine; I do appreciate being thought of as someone who is educated -- an attribute which does not seem all that applicable in your case. As for your accusations about me lacking 'spiritual discernment', I challenge you to provide a coherent account of 'spirituality', let alone make assessments of other people's spiritual character. And you embrace a hallucination about an invisible man in the sky, and you are telling me that I can't make spiritual discernments?
Lodgique 2 years ago
tech. athiest don't deny God
they just simply do not believe in him
How can one deny that in whicih they do not believe (think about it!!!!)
It's like denying Santa, it's pointless and a waste of time, and how can you if you do not believe in him.
thex13thxchild 2 years ago
your line of thinking (if i can call it that) is known as 'pascals wager'. personally, i can't make myself believe in something when all of the evidence points to the contrary. i would like to believe that i have 3 million dollars in my bank account, but if i did believe this I WOULD BE CRAZY! similarly, it would be lovely to think that i am being watched over by some big daddy in the sky, and that, when i die, i am going to a place called heaven but if i believed that, again, I WOULD BE NUTS!
Lodgique 2 years ago
why did you put Brittney Spears in there? She is a Christian after all!!!! Just like Sarah Palin's daughter and Jimmy Swaggart and the governor of South Carolina and every other example of what NOT to be like.
ReligionIsSophistry 2 years ago 5
@ReligionIsSophistry Wow. Thanks for that blanket statement of prejudice. I guess, as a Christian, I'm an example of what NOT to be like, too? Hmm... I guess the Atheists are far more charitable, and morally far superior to us. Oh, wait: Atheists statistically give and do less charitably, support pedophiles and pedophilia (as in Dawkins' defense of "loving pedophiles" and O'Hare's belief in encouraging five-year-olds to have sex)... oh yeah, and 100 million deaths by Atheist politicians.
dameon692002 1 year ago
hahha this is so fucking shit!
momoreza123 2 years ago
another dumbdown person sad world :(
scypion11 2 years ago 2
and this has anything to do with pat condell??? are you grown up or are you about 12???
deltic21 2 years ago
notice how he has 100 times more views than u?
raulcurelea 2 years ago 2
oh btw check ur rating.
raulcurelea 2 years ago 2
As an old geezer, I can say without hesitation that those three twats do in fact make my winnie hard.
edd77777 2 years ago
lulz at your blue pils :D
zizikelizike 2 years ago
lol, all three girls are nasty stupid broads that i was sick of hearing about the moment i heard about them. they're not "competition" for anyone as far as i'm concerned
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago
fuck u, u old bitch i am chosen the women peace
Ghafarji22 2 years ago
W A R N I N G
UTubeOfficialSite 2 years ago
peace and blessings brothers and sisters.
would you make me happy and watch my video on this topic.
pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.
sofianbelhedi 2 years ago
What does it mean to be superficial?...and what does it mean to be serious?...and to not take life too seriously...check out videos by superwhuffo1 and wildmanthe1st
superwhuffo1 2 years ago
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All homosexuals are "atheists," yet only 88.31% of "atheists" routinely engage in homosex. Statistics like these are life-affirming to the non-gay minority. Why do homosexuals find Darwinism, "atheism," self-mutilatory practices & collectivism so attractive? The murder-rate, recidivism and taxes are up as our young women & men wallow about on the floors, pitiably moaning for their mothers to "cook" another "fix."
procommenter 2 years ago
Close to 90% claim to be Christian. It's not wrong to call all their argument against atheism pretty redundant too right? Not to leave out the fact they're all downright hypocritical and irrational.
shoulderkolibri 3 years ago
Actually, how old are you. everyone can have a good time.
Ernest471023 3 years ago
I dont get it
Kongud 3 years ago
really liked the music
=3
DjimonMoz 3 years ago
BALLS!
spammey 3 years ago
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Man is in his infancy. I find the philosophical rubbish that passes for science as regressive. Anyone who claims to be an "atheist" does so to avoid research. "Atheism" is the lazy man's way. Knowledgeable "atheists" are avoiding this venue as one would leprosy.
procommenter 3 years ago
wait isn't it the other way around in religion there is no research, you are given the answers and not allowed to ask questions
blackwolf301 2 years ago
In Jonestown, Guyana in 1978, not in the U.S. in 2009.
procommenter 2 years ago
actually these "atheists" and agnostics (idk why you put that word in quotations) are doing a lot of research to find out how the world was made and other things such as Einstein , Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan and who could forget Richard Dawkins
blackwolf301 2 years ago
and you still aren't allowed to ask questions in the present day because if you do you will go straight to hell, so the bible says
blackwolf301 2 years ago
Then you must renounce ALL religion, not simply replace Christianity with Earth-worship.
procommenter 2 years ago
Becoming redundant?!?
nekidchickens 3 years ago
GetYourNameIn, are you suggesting that Patcondell should become a slutty hollywood celebrity?
IPA300 3 years ago 5
BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL THAN YOU!
adevezar 3 years ago
incorrect usage of the word redundant
RageagainstRacism 3 years ago 2
That's actually a pretty damn good point. Too bad too many people see this as satire.
Kenji000 3 years ago
poor guy he's just mad becuase he cant get none
DeJay14 3 years ago
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Church bells are classed as noise pollution. If anyone has a church near them see my latest video on how to get them to stop. This is done through the courts so legally you can make them stop for good. Spread the word and lets make a stand and draw a line. Enough of arguing with these retards. Show them that we mean business and start with muting their annoying bells. I think that will prove a point better than arguing tit for tat on issues they will never agree to. We have the power people.
TeslaSagan 3 years ago
A close minded person again...
putangina101010 3 years ago
No one qualifies to burn anything unless you're christian. They're pro's at burning things, especially people.
buddybleau 3 years ago 2
Whats your problem with pretty young women?
subasemg 3 years ago
what's your problem with thinking and helping others over looking at pretty young women.
P.S. your fly is open
Kenji000 3 years ago
So I have to choose?
Or were you just equating talented pretty young women with some kind of negative? Perhaps superficiality (cause your so DEEP) or the temptations of the flesh? Screw you.
subasemg 2 years ago
after 4 months you try and counter an argument (more of a statement) that was made? Man... I dunno if that's sad or satisfying (because I know you aren't doing anything productive with your life)
Kenji000 2 years ago
I was actually planning to reply in 2 more years so I'm at the top of game Kenji, and you should be more grateful.
subasemg 2 years ago