If you read the book, you'll find the real reason behind Keefer's hatred of Queeg. Keefer had a chance to meet with his younger brother Roland when the Caine was anchored next to Roland's ship. But Queeg didn't let Keefer go visit his brother because of some paperwork. Roland's ship then left and Roland was later KIA. The movie skipped over that part of the book. Keefer and the other officers were wrong, no question about that. I'm not defending them. But that's why Keefer hated Queeg.
any time a military officer or a ceo of a big company tryes the 100% by the rules, it always ends up with low worker moral & resentment, and that,s what quigg did & the crew responded in a natural way, they ended up hating quigg, Not a good way to run any company or the military, but some do get on a ego trip and this is the outcome of that.
READ THE BOOK. There is the wonderful back story of Willie and May. Willies relationship with his mother and especially his father which is completely missing in the movie. The racial bigotry, The whole WASPY thing and how they look down on others, Jews, Catholics, Blacks ect. and especially Capt. Queegs ecctricities! this is a Great, Great book!
capt quigg was WRONG he wanted to go 100% by the rule book, nothing gets done & the crew moral went down, If he had not been such a hard ass then the mutiny would never have occured, peeps like quigg are like cops, they are on a ego trip & love pushing thier weight around on others, good example was the 1st captian, everyone liked him except enisn willie.
This is one of the most powerful scenes in cinematography. Greenwald's incisive, scathing indictment, Keefer's denouement and abject embarrassment as his manipulation is revealed and the pregnant pause as the officers leave in accusatory silence.
They were absolutely guilty! That said, the movie left out a lot of the background on Keefer that was in the book that would help explain his actions and dislike for the Navy.
Bottom line, no matter how much you dislike those in charge, you set that aside and work with them else everyone fails.
Isn't this just an absolutely fantastic movie? The fact that I can see a detailed, passionate, and intelligent debate going on in the comments is a testament to the complex nature of this piece of cinema. Bravo.
In 1950, four years before Caine, Ferrer became the first Hispanic actor to win an Academy Award for his performance in the title role of Cyrano de Bergerac, which he first played on Broadway in 1946 and winning the Best Actor Tony Award . For his performance in Cyrano he also won the Golden Globe Award for Best Actor – Motion Picture Drama. Jose died following a brief battle with cancer in 1992 and was interred in his native Puerto Rico.
The lawyer is wrong. He wasn't there so he can't see how Queeg alienated the other officers. When Queeg asked for help, the other officers were correct ot think that any input would do nothing but have Queeg out for revenge.
@Rich8951 Disagree. Queeg was hurting and he knew it. The officers let pride get in their way. They passed judgement on Queeg and they were not in a position to do so. Military leadership and discipline doesn't operate on popularity but professionialism. Most civilians don't understand that.
What Queeg did was NOT professional. What the other officers did was.
If Queeg had not been stopped, a military ship worth millions, and many lives would have been lost in the storm due to his poor judgement and lack of ability to make decisions. (LACK of professionalism.) It's got absolutely nothing to do about popularity, it's got to do with COMMON SENSE.
Would you have allowed Captain Queeg to continue on course in that storm? You would have MURDERED all those men.
@Rich8951 First it was not established the ship would have foundered and that did not get Merrick off. Second the officers WERE unprofessional by making up songs and talking about the captain in a disrespectful manner behind his back around the sailors. This is hard for civilians to understand. Civilians only respect people they like this is not true in the military. I served a long time and worked for a LOT of aholes but I had to give them my best regardless. Anything else gets folks killed.
@tkcarr First,I disagree,that ship was on it's way down,But 2nd,I do agree with your assessment of the officers and their unprofessional behavior. Part of the problem with Barney Greenwald's perspective is that he wasn't on the ship,though his overall point is well taken. It was pointed out the Queeg was sick.
@Nickcat5 I didn't say the ship was going down. We really don't know that. Doesn't matter if Greenwald was on the ship or not. Marick said if the officers had supported Queeg then he wouldn't have cracked up. When you commander is ill or wounded you help him or her and don't turn on him like a group of jackals. The officers should have Jack Slapped Keefer hard. Instead they let the weasel influence them to their own disgrace. Those officers were disgraceful.
@tkcarr I spent 8 yrs at sea. Making fun of people behind their backs was how you passed the time. Forget the Typhoon for a sec. We only see Queeg through the eyes of the other officers. None of them disobeyed Queeg to his face, they just didn't respect him. All of them dealt with Queeg one on one from time to time, so they knew him for what he was, a no-class frumpy loser of an Officer who uses his position soley for his own benefit. Remember, he took all the wardroom liquor rations for himsel
@jake1052003 You know that making fun of a commander even if behind their back violates UCMJ? Greenwald was right. Listen I spent 21 years in and had a lot of asshole bosses but I had to support them. I didn't like it one bit but I did it. That's just the way it is.
@tkcarr I never said Greenwald was wrong and Keefer was right. I'm saying I understand human nature and our own fallibility. So does Herman Wouk as he was a Naval Officer who served on a DMS during WWII. He made up the story, but he didn't make up human nature. He observed it! Some people are so narrow minded that they don't observe observe their own nature much less that of others.
@jake1052003 Yes they were all flawed folks but in your first post it seemed you were siding with the officers against Queeg. So, if you admit they were wrong then we have no disagreement.
@tkcarr I think I said making fun of people behind their backs is a way of life on ships. I'm a realist. Have you read Winds of War?? Just kidding, some other time. Actually "From Here to Eternity" is the next great WWII novel worth discussing.
@Rich8951 While Queeg's behavior was certainly unprofessional, the wardroom's conduct was equally bad. The welfare of the crew always comes first in the US Navy and that seems to be something that the wardroom forgot. Regardless of the captain's eccentricities or whether you like him or not, you support your captain for the sake of the crew. The wardroom is the crew's last line of defense and their failure to look after the crew's welfare by supporting the CO resulted in the mutiny
@penumbra155 I'm confused. First you said you support the CO whether you like him or not for the sake of the crew. But then you say the Wardroom failed to look after the crews welfare by supporting the CO????
@Rich8951 The court martial makes clear 3 ships went down in the Typhoon, 150 survived without the removal of the Capt. We are put on the Caine during the Typhoon and we believe the Mr. Maryk saved the ship and saved us.
@tkcarr Again, have you ever lived on ship? Lived in close quarters, very close quarters with 150, 200 people for a year, 2,3, or even 4 yrs? it's not combat 24/7. It's tedium, it's smelly people, bad breath, bad jokes, It's red necks you can't stand, or funny talking new englanders you hate (me) Sports, Politics, Religion get in the way. But when a job needs to get done, we do it. We all pitch in do the job and take pride in the job well done. We are proud of the uniform and what it stands for!
@jake1052003 Yes and I lived in the field too and I was an officer. When the officers start talking bad about the CO it effects the troops and damages the unit effectiveness. It is unprofessional. These guys were officers not some stewards in the mess. It matters and you don't do a good job when your troops doubt the leadership. If you are proud of the uniform then you listen to Greenwald. If you are not then you listen to Keefer.
@tkcarr Officers talk to Officers. They didn't express these thoughts to the enlisted men. As enlisted men don't share the feelings with Officers. All of us understand the separate nature of the military especially in the USN. I listen to all opinions. Even idiotic ones.
@jake1052003 Well if you served then you know that enlisted DO listen to what officers say. It was no secret the officers (and they were not always careful to hide it either like singing that song on the deck) hated Queeg and the enlisted knew it too. Especially on a ship. Officers talking crap about the COlike they did is unprofessional. If you served you know that.
@tkcarr The point I keep making is you can't be "prosfessional" 24/7 living on a ship for 2, 3 4 yrs. with the same people. If you were in the Navy and served on "SEA DUTY" you would know this to be true. Like the men on the Caine in WWII, or serving in the Destroyer Navy in the 1980's & 1990's, when the XO is caught jerking off in his rack by the Messenger of the Watch, the whole ship will hear about it soon after. Sad, yes, but it's just life and we are humans beings not automatons.
@jake1052003 LOL give it up Jake. These guys were just wrong and they weren't professional for a lot more than just one or two incidents. I don't care if you are on a ship or in the field for three months it's still the same. As Greenwald said: You don't work for the CO because of the way he combs his hair, you work for him because he's the CO or you're no good. You know this is what we believe.
@tkcarr As a disabled USAF 2nd Lieutenant, this discussion greatly interests me, as just a week ago an Airman First Class decided to rail on me in a thread about societal collapse. One guy talked about his arsenal of rifles, and I mentioned they wont make much difference when the Abrams' and Bradleys move into town. This young Airman called me about every name in the book, told me I assumed they were drones that would fire on us, if ordered. I said, "many will obey in fear, others wont."
@painxtreme Different issue. However, IMHO if we are relying on some private or airman to maintain our civil liberties by not shooting us and not our courts and elections then we are in bad shape.
@tkcarr I know the difference, thank you. Im disabled, not brain dead. I love this film. The tie-in is the military discussion itself. What do men in a highly-ordered environment do when the choices are orders, or something unethical? Does that help explain why I linked that? The young Airman doesn't know what he would do, and he doesn't know what the guy next to him would do. A refusing orders discussion, and mutiny with reason seems a simliar issue to me, but u may be higher pay-grade.
@painxtreme In the US military soldiers are trained not to obey illegal orders. However, there is a risk in that if the orders are later found to be legal then the soldier faces punishment for disobeying. This movie presented no such dilemma. Now, one can take a principled position that an order might be unethical or illegal due to conscience but if a higher authority finds their reasoning faulty then that disobiedience can cost you. But following conscience often presents that choice.
@tkcarr Yes, I recall that from my Service. Very simply, some fired at Kent State Some didn't. There isnt an across the board rule one can make as to what individual Soldiers, Sailors..etc. will choose in a highly questionable scenario.
No, Caine did not present that particular dilemma, however, a few hours previous of heated debate with the misinformed Airman, then watching this and the discussion, I felt the parallel was worthy. Exact? No. Whether you agree or not is your own matter.
@painxtreme True, I am not sure that anyone was ordered to fire at Kent State. I think that was more panic and lack of training and control than following an illegal order. But we all have to follow our conscience.
@tkcarr I agree, and I hope, you, as I have seen this as a good, rigorous and stimulating discussion, and not a typical online pissing contest. I can and do debate and discuss vigorously, as I enjoy the exchange. If I said anything untoward in my assertions or points, I do apologize, and thank you for the discussion.
You are so very right about conscience, and the haze of war is a multiplier of course. Most rise, some fall apart, and then theres the occasional video game Rambo. Cheers!
@painxtreme If we are talking pure Narrative terms, to me Caine is about manipulation, but not so simply. It balances on a pin. Mentally or Physically ill, if command is too ill to carry out their mission, it is the duty of the Wardroom to help him by temporarily relieving him of the burden of command. Just supporting, or humoring a commanding officer that is losing his grasp is endangering a ship and all souls on board. We are left to sift the duty from the manipulator propelling it
@Rich8951 Was he not qualified? I never heard much about it. A lady wrote YouTube once that she had seen the plane crash when she was a kid. Ironically, another 25 year old actor was killed a few months later. That was James Dean.
Ha ha drink in the face, That was to humilate mr keefer cuz he was a rat, Also notice ens harding 1 st part of the movie, That is jerry paris who played the dentist on the dick van dyke show also ken macdonald is 1 of the officers on the court martial board who was in a lot of 3 stooges shorts as the infamous, mr,slip, they had a excellent cast for this flick, Often wonder why mr greenwald had a cast on his right arm.
This is probably one of the best scenes ever. Greenwald's soliloquy is one of the best ever written. "I'm a lot drunker than you are, so it'll be a fair fight".
Notice Ferrer's collar magically pops out from his entrance to the next shot of him. By the way, this scene does indeed steal the film. Ferrer is amazing in this.
Many years ago, I saw this with the 1935 version of "Mutiny on the Bounty" at the Thalia, a revival theater in NYC. Great double feature.The two stories are very similiar, especially the endings.
I disagree with some of the previous posters. This was one of the greatest performances of Bogart's career. He should have won Best Actor for it. And Ferrer should have won best supporting along Fred MacMurray. "Who was out there, defending our country? Queeg was...Not us. We knew you couldn't make any money in the service."
@kmann23 In the book, he says, "You'll probably lick me. I'm a lousy fighter." But since the implication is, "You'll still be a shitbag," it's an even better line.
I loved that comment about who was watching over this fat, dumb, happy country of ours. As if anybody who drives a car, rides a bus, eats food from a supermarket or has anything in their life provided to them by anything other than an oil-based economy is somehow innocent of anthing we do to protect our oil supply.
Pure GENIUS. How can anyone write this stuff, then have a cast act it to absolute perfection?
Stress....destroys a career of a Naval Officer. Jose Ferrer puts it PERFECT in this scene. They (the staff) didn't help "HIM" (Queeg)...that's the kinda sh*t that led to his breakdown!
Just amazing. My left-nut to anyone who could produce this sort of incredible quality in movies anymore.
@LIONSMANIAC Queeg was supposed to be a first-time captain in his early 30s. Bogart was clearly way too old to be from the graduating class of 1936 (the movie was set in 1943). Richard Widmark would have been much better.
You're right; just read that part in another thread. I always thought he was a demoted Admiral brought out of moth-balls because of the war (and the line about him defending the seas all those years); however, a '36 grad would've put him around 33 or 34 years old. ~ My bad!
@JuanMacready Widmark was too robust. Remember, Wouk makes Queeg sound prematurely aged: he's nearly bald and has a pot belly, possibly from boozing. Only a very unglamorous, character-type actor could have done Queeg as much justice as Bogey, but I can't think of who that might have been.
@JuanMacready You haven't a Clue about the casting & to wish cancer on someone,especially some who never harmed you is downright cruel. You are certainly in the minority with your viewpoint.
What makes this movie so phenomenal is that the audience was manipulated into hating Queeg as well, until the ending you realized the war had just gotten to Queeg and that Keafer(McMurray) was the real enemy.
@BetweenThePipes49 Probably because we've all had a Teacher or a Boss( In some cases our own parents) who acted like Queeg & that made it easy to dislike him. A Testament to the Genius of Bogart!!
Nevertheless, Bogart was a great actor and I cannot imagine anybody else in this role. Academy Best Actor nomination is the choice of actors, and Bogart got applause after court scene not because it was his final one, but as sign of admiration of his performance.
Vin...no argument from me that Bogart was a great actor but all the great ones, at one time or another, had to pay the bills and not all parts were as good as Queeg. Cooper, Gable, Tracy, et al, they all made some average movies. Just a week ago I saw Bogart in a movie from about 1932 and believe me, he wasn't yet Bogie. That would take The Petrified Forest. It took all these guys years to develop their screen persona. Bogart's appeal grew after his death. Not so for some of the others.
Vin....no doubt because we have seen Bogie so often in this role. But if it had been somone else we would have gotten used to, say, Henry Fonda playing Queeg. I think of the many movies that Gary Cooper played in that would have been just as good had Joel McCrea been in the part. It's very interesting to read about the parts that actors turned down, roles that became much associated with the actors who took the roles. Eastwood and Dirty Harry for instance. Others turned it down.
Reply to Purrturbed. Hi, I can agree, that originally captain Queeg should be much younger - at the same time this role was played by young Paul Newman at the theater. For sure the film director and especially script writer must adopt the original story of the book to Bogart's age and make him senior navy officer with long experience (at least he must served in World War I too).
Don't forget that this was still the era of "Studio contracts" you were under contract to make so many pictures a year. Some of them were real stinkers and you didn't have a lot of choice about it
this is nothing as good as the novel. they speak in a high and mighty way. they were drunk and laughing over jokes that only the officers understood. also May and Wille weren't getting married because of a phone call.
Right on....good movie, great book. Read it twice. Both were weakened by an inexplicable love story that had no bearing on the Caine. Being a kid in that era I blame it on the prevailing way of doing things in Hollywood back then which was to make a number of male movies palatable for women too. "Caine" was a real good movie that could have been great. I wonder if the stage play included the love angle?
Great movie, although, and i hate to use such a cliched line, the book had a better ending. It had much more plot after the court martial, and I thought it gave you more to think about.
Remarkable scene from a remarkable movie, showcasing a whole lot of talented actors, with very different histories, coming out of very different traditions, whose careers, largely, never interfaced in this way again.
People of a certain age who only think of Fred MacMurray as "The Absent-minded Professor," or Steve Douglas on "My Three Sons," need to know this film, "The Apartment," and, most of all, "Double Indemnity."
I have to believe that, in this day and age, you wrote that comment without really giving it any thought... I hope that's what you did, and I forgive you.
Van Johnson was good and so was McMurray. The kid who played Willie was sort of weak. Poor guy died about a year later in a plane crash. You are right about Bogie...too old, way too old to play Queeg. But he was good in the movie.
Your idea would make more sense. In the book...maybe the movie too....it's mentioned that Queeg graduated from Annapolis circa 1936-37. I understand that class issued an invitation for him to come to a reunion, etc. ha ha Queeg should have been about 30 or 31 years old when the mutiny happened.
Purrturbed, Bogart was not simply good, he was great in this movie and he was nominated for Academy Award forth time in his life. After his (Queeg) final shoot in the court all cast and crew members applauded Bogie. Have more respect, when post you comments.
Vin....OK...Bogie was great in "Caine" but he was too old to play the part. He was about fifty-four when the movie was filmed and looked sixty. I was in the navy and served on a destroyer. Fifty-five year old officers are admirals leading fleets of ships not lieutenant-commanders commanding minesweepers. Hollywood has too often had old leading matinee idols playing parts that are too young for them. Same with this movie. Applauding actors after wrapping a movie is standard operating procedure.
Yeah, you make a good point. If you look at WWII movies, most of the characters are too old. John Wayne was 42 when he make The Sands of Iwo Jima,, and even he was worried about being convincing in the part.
But then again they made Grease, a movie about highschoolers with a cast who were all about 30.. And Robert Redford played a rookie in The Natural when he was wayyyy told.. I guess for the movies you just have to suspend belief in reality.
@Purrturbed Ah, Van Johnson. The Hollywood beneficiary of WWII. Injured in the filming of "A Guy Named Joe", Johnson had steel plate placed in his head, thus eliminating him from serving in WWII. To this end, Johnson, loved by the ladies of the time for his blond, boyish looks, had many more opportunities for roles. Actors like James Stewart, Robert Taylor and Clark Gable had gone away to war. Van became a hot commodity on the homefront, and made many memorable movies.
@SCE2AUX — Some time in the '90s, there was a television production of The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial, the original stage play which was the first adaptation of the novel. That line of Greenwald's about people like Queeg ensuring that Goering would never get his chance to wash with his Jewish mother melted into soap was in the post-trial party scene in that production. I remember that line. Peter Coyote was Barney Greenwald in that teleplay.
Best and Most Valuable Scene in Film History -- all hiring, firings, marriages and divorces, births and deaths should have to answer to it... thank you for posting this singular gem... signed, green eyed blonde named jose
You are so correct. After the courtroom scene where Queeg breaks down, the audience has the relief of knowing the good guys won. And then Barney has to remind the officers how weasly they were and guys like Queeg were the real heroes.
And for someone known for his Disney nice guy image, Fred MacMurray could really play a sleazeball.
"This scene shows that Colenl Jessup in A FEW GOOD MEN was not the villian."
Two entirely different situations. Queeg was essentially a good guy who cracked under the pressure of combat because he lacked the support of his subordinate officers. Jessup- a peacetime careerist- was a premeditated liar who ended up getting taken into custody in the courtroom as an accessory to murder. Queeg, whatever his flaws, did not prostitute his uniform as an alibi for homicide.
Great scene, but I wish they'd done Barney Greenwald's speech in the movie the way Herman Wouk wrote it in the book. Where he goes on about how, but for "old Prussians" like Queeg watching over America while war loomed, Hermann Goering would have ended up washing his fat ass with his Jewish mother (melted into a bar of soap).
Powerful literature- perhaps if they remake the movie they'll put the whole speech into it.
Powerful film-making, BenAliGtor. Sadly I can't imagine a single present-day American actor who could give this role even an ounce of the "gravitas" as it is portrayed by Mr. Ferrer.
@BenAliGtor Not neccessary, takes away from the main themes of the film, especially since they were in the Pacific theater fighting the Japanese.
They had better not remake it, they will have Maryk as a chick and half of the officers and crew would be extras from 'Brokeback Mountin'. Just let it be.
@BenAliGtor — Some time in the '90s, there was a television production of The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial, the original stage play which was the first adaptation of the novel. That line of Greenwald's about people like Queeg ensuring that Goering would never get his chance to wash with his Jewish mother melted into soap was in the post-trial party scene in that production. I remember that line. Peter Coyote was Barney Greenwald in that teleplay. Sorry, replied to the wrong poster there.
@BenAliGtor — Some time in the '90s, there was a television production of The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial, the original stage play which was the first adaptation from the novel. That line of Greenwald's about people like Queeg ensuring that Goering would never get his chance to wash with his Jewish mother, melted into soap, was in the post-trial party scene in that production. I remember that line. Peter Coyote was Barney Greenwald in that teleplay.
@BenAliGtor ...It would be absolute treason to remake this fine film. Who can ever replace these actors-especially Mac Murray, Ferrer, and, of course Bogart
@loufalce I completely disagree. This movie would make a great hbo mini series. The story needs 8 or 10 hours of telling. Jake Gyllenhall, or if they dare, Zac Efron as Willie Keith. Sean Penn could pull off Steve Maryk.Could Nick Cage pull off Queeg?
Yes! That line about Goering washing his fat ass with Greenwald's Jewish granny! THAT should have been in the movie!! That put things in a much sharper perspective! That made it personal for Greenwald and reminded us all of what was really at stake out there in the Atlantic, while the "boys" were still walking past the recruiting office!
If you read the book, you'll find the real reason behind Keefer's hatred of Queeg. Keefer had a chance to meet with his younger brother Roland when the Caine was anchored next to Roland's ship. But Queeg didn't let Keefer go visit his brother because of some paperwork. Roland's ship then left and Roland was later KIA. The movie skipped over that part of the book. Keefer and the other officers were wrong, no question about that. I'm not defending them. But that's why Keefer hated Queeg.
airdriver 1 day ago
Thanks .... great ending to a great movie... Just noticeed no background music adding to the tension
dbkny2000 2 weeks ago
Jose Ferrer stole the film in this scene.
Turnback 2 weeks ago
Jose Ferrer is terrific.
isukaman 3 weeks ago
This was the best scene in the movie, Jose Ferrer nailed it.
talltom1973 1 month ago
any time a military officer or a ceo of a big company tryes the 100% by the rules, it always ends up with low worker moral & resentment, and that,s what quigg did & the crew responded in a natural way, they ended up hating quigg, Not a good way to run any company or the military, but some do get on a ego trip and this is the outcome of that.
derail14 1 month ago
READ THE BOOK. There is the wonderful back story of Willie and May. Willies relationship with his mother and especially his father which is completely missing in the movie. The racial bigotry, The whole WASPY thing and how they look down on others, Jews, Catholics, Blacks ect. and especially Capt. Queegs ecctricities! this is a Great, Great book!
jake1052003 1 month ago
capt quigg was WRONG he wanted to go 100% by the rule book, nothing gets done & the crew moral went down, If he had not been such a hard ass then the mutiny would never have occured, peeps like quigg are like cops, they are on a ego trip & love pushing thier weight around on others, good example was the 1st captian, everyone liked him except enisn willie.
derail14 2 months ago
Wow Jose Ferrer was getting that ass!
onlyweknow2 2 months ago
José Ferrer was such a brilliant actor !
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This is one of the most powerful scenes in cinematography. Greenwald's incisive, scathing indictment, Keefer's denouement and abject embarrassment as his manipulation is revealed and the pregnant pause as the officers leave in accusatory silence.
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CaesarInVa 3 months ago
Wow, Fred MacMurray was great here.
46spoony 3 months ago
They were absolutely guilty! That said, the movie left out a lot of the background on Keefer that was in the book that would help explain his actions and dislike for the Navy.
Bottom line, no matter how much you dislike those in charge, you set that aside and work with them else everyone fails.
Great lesson for everyone, not just the Navy
GasCityGuy 3 months ago
Isn't this just an absolutely fantastic movie? The fact that I can see a detailed, passionate, and intelligent debate going on in the comments is a testament to the complex nature of this piece of cinema. Bravo.
14GloryofRome14 4 months ago
In 1950, four years before Caine, Ferrer became the first Hispanic actor to win an Academy Award for his performance in the title role of Cyrano de Bergerac, which he first played on Broadway in 1946 and winning the Best Actor Tony Award . For his performance in Cyrano he also won the Golden Globe Award for Best Actor – Motion Picture Drama. Jose died following a brief battle with cancer in 1992 and was interred in his native Puerto Rico.
Lonette 5 months ago
Amazing movie and great scene!! Well acted!! My husband and I enjoyed this movie and thanks for sharing!
funnygal200 5 months ago
The lawyer is wrong. He wasn't there so he can't see how Queeg alienated the other officers. When Queeg asked for help, the other officers were correct ot think that any input would do nothing but have Queeg out for revenge.
Rich8951 5 months ago
@Rich8951 Disagree. Queeg was hurting and he knew it. The officers let pride get in their way. They passed judgement on Queeg and they were not in a position to do so. Military leadership and discipline doesn't operate on popularity but professionialism. Most civilians don't understand that.
tkcarr 5 months ago
@tkcarr
What Queeg did was NOT professional. What the other officers did was.
If Queeg had not been stopped, a military ship worth millions, and many lives would have been lost in the storm due to his poor judgement and lack of ability to make decisions. (LACK of professionalism.) It's got absolutely nothing to do about popularity, it's got to do with COMMON SENSE.
Would you have allowed Captain Queeg to continue on course in that storm? You would have MURDERED all those men.
Rich8951 5 months ago
@Rich8951 First it was not established the ship would have foundered and that did not get Merrick off. Second the officers WERE unprofessional by making up songs and talking about the captain in a disrespectful manner behind his back around the sailors. This is hard for civilians to understand. Civilians only respect people they like this is not true in the military. I served a long time and worked for a LOT of aholes but I had to give them my best regardless. Anything else gets folks killed.
tkcarr 5 months ago
@tkcarr First,I disagree,that ship was on it's way down,But 2nd,I do agree with your assessment of the officers and their unprofessional behavior. Part of the problem with Barney Greenwald's perspective is that he wasn't on the ship,though his overall point is well taken. It was pointed out the Queeg was sick.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@Nickcat5 I didn't say the ship was going down. We really don't know that. Doesn't matter if Greenwald was on the ship or not. Marick said if the officers had supported Queeg then he wouldn't have cracked up. When you commander is ill or wounded you help him or her and don't turn on him like a group of jackals. The officers should have Jack Slapped Keefer hard. Instead they let the weasel influence them to their own disgrace. Those officers were disgraceful.
tkcarr 4 months ago
@tkcarr Re-read my comment. You couldn't have read it too closely to respond they way you did.
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@Nickcat5 I did and stand on what I said. Your comment is not clear if you mean something else.
tkcarr 4 months ago
@Nickcat5 ... and do you also 'Roll Steel Balls'?? Sheesh!!!
Nickcat5 4 months ago
@tkcarr I spent 8 yrs at sea. Making fun of people behind their backs was how you passed the time. Forget the Typhoon for a sec. We only see Queeg through the eyes of the other officers. None of them disobeyed Queeg to his face, they just didn't respect him. All of them dealt with Queeg one on one from time to time, so they knew him for what he was, a no-class frumpy loser of an Officer who uses his position soley for his own benefit. Remember, he took all the wardroom liquor rations for himsel
jake1052003 1 month ago
@jake1052003 You know that making fun of a commander even if behind their back violates UCMJ? Greenwald was right. Listen I spent 21 years in and had a lot of asshole bosses but I had to support them. I didn't like it one bit but I did it. That's just the way it is.
tkcarr 1 month ago
@tkcarr I never said Greenwald was wrong and Keefer was right. I'm saying I understand human nature and our own fallibility. So does Herman Wouk as he was a Naval Officer who served on a DMS during WWII. He made up the story, but he didn't make up human nature. He observed it! Some people are so narrow minded that they don't observe observe their own nature much less that of others.
jake1052003 1 month ago
@jake1052003 Yes they were all flawed folks but in your first post it seemed you were siding with the officers against Queeg. So, if you admit they were wrong then we have no disagreement.
tkcarr 1 month ago
@tkcarr I think I said making fun of people behind their backs is a way of life on ships. I'm a realist. Have you read Winds of War?? Just kidding, some other time. Actually "From Here to Eternity" is the next great WWII novel worth discussing.
Best wishes.
jake1052003 1 month ago
@jake1052003 Also another great book for leadership as well as twelve oclock high. I read that in the Naval War College! :) BZ
tkcarr 1 month ago
@Rich8951 While Queeg's behavior was certainly unprofessional, the wardroom's conduct was equally bad. The welfare of the crew always comes first in the US Navy and that seems to be something that the wardroom forgot. Regardless of the captain's eccentricities or whether you like him or not, you support your captain for the sake of the crew. The wardroom is the crew's last line of defense and their failure to look after the crew's welfare by supporting the CO resulted in the mutiny
penumbra155 1 month ago
@penumbra155 I'm confused. First you said you support the CO whether you like him or not for the sake of the crew. But then you say the Wardroom failed to look after the crews welfare by supporting the CO????
jake1052003 1 month ago
@Rich8951 The court martial makes clear 3 ships went down in the Typhoon, 150 survived without the removal of the Capt. We are put on the Caine during the Typhoon and we believe the Mr. Maryk saved the ship and saved us.
jake1052003 1 month ago
@tkcarr Again, have you ever lived on ship? Lived in close quarters, very close quarters with 150, 200 people for a year, 2,3, or even 4 yrs? it's not combat 24/7. It's tedium, it's smelly people, bad breath, bad jokes, It's red necks you can't stand, or funny talking new englanders you hate (me) Sports, Politics, Religion get in the way. But when a job needs to get done, we do it. We all pitch in do the job and take pride in the job well done. We are proud of the uniform and what it stands for!
jake1052003 1 month ago
@jake1052003 Yes and I lived in the field too and I was an officer. When the officers start talking bad about the CO it effects the troops and damages the unit effectiveness. It is unprofessional. These guys were officers not some stewards in the mess. It matters and you don't do a good job when your troops doubt the leadership. If you are proud of the uniform then you listen to Greenwald. If you are not then you listen to Keefer.
tkcarr 1 month ago
@tkcarr Officers talk to Officers. They didn't express these thoughts to the enlisted men. As enlisted men don't share the feelings with Officers. All of us understand the separate nature of the military especially in the USN. I listen to all opinions. Even idiotic ones.
jake1052003 1 month ago
@jake1052003 Well if you served then you know that enlisted DO listen to what officers say. It was no secret the officers (and they were not always careful to hide it either like singing that song on the deck) hated Queeg and the enlisted knew it too. Especially on a ship. Officers talking crap about the COlike they did is unprofessional. If you served you know that.
tkcarr 1 month ago
@tkcarr The point I keep making is you can't be "prosfessional" 24/7 living on a ship for 2, 3 4 yrs. with the same people. If you were in the Navy and served on "SEA DUTY" you would know this to be true. Like the men on the Caine in WWII, or serving in the Destroyer Navy in the 1980's & 1990's, when the XO is caught jerking off in his rack by the Messenger of the Watch, the whole ship will hear about it soon after. Sad, yes, but it's just life and we are humans beings not automatons.
jake1052003 1 month ago
@jake1052003 LOL give it up Jake. These guys were just wrong and they weren't professional for a lot more than just one or two incidents. I don't care if you are on a ship or in the field for three months it's still the same. As Greenwald said: You don't work for the CO because of the way he combs his hair, you work for him because he's the CO or you're no good. You know this is what we believe.
tkcarr 1 month ago
@tkcarr OK I surrender. I'm tired. Great discussion. Good movie, Great book.
jake1052003 1 month ago
@tkcarr As a disabled USAF 2nd Lieutenant, this discussion greatly interests me, as just a week ago an Airman First Class decided to rail on me in a thread about societal collapse. One guy talked about his arsenal of rifles, and I mentioned they wont make much difference when the Abrams' and Bradleys move into town. This young Airman called me about every name in the book, told me I assumed they were drones that would fire on us, if ordered. I said, "many will obey in fear, others wont."
painxtreme 1 month ago
@painxtreme Different issue. However, IMHO if we are relying on some private or airman to maintain our civil liberties by not shooting us and not our courts and elections then we are in bad shape.
tkcarr 1 month ago
@tkcarr I know the difference, thank you. Im disabled, not brain dead. I love this film. The tie-in is the military discussion itself. What do men in a highly-ordered environment do when the choices are orders, or something unethical? Does that help explain why I linked that? The young Airman doesn't know what he would do, and he doesn't know what the guy next to him would do. A refusing orders discussion, and mutiny with reason seems a simliar issue to me, but u may be higher pay-grade.
painxtreme 1 month ago
@painxtreme In the US military soldiers are trained not to obey illegal orders. However, there is a risk in that if the orders are later found to be legal then the soldier faces punishment for disobeying. This movie presented no such dilemma. Now, one can take a principled position that an order might be unethical or illegal due to conscience but if a higher authority finds their reasoning faulty then that disobiedience can cost you. But following conscience often presents that choice.
tkcarr 1 month ago
@tkcarr Yes, I recall that from my Service. Very simply, some fired at Kent State Some didn't. There isnt an across the board rule one can make as to what individual Soldiers, Sailors..etc. will choose in a highly questionable scenario.
No, Caine did not present that particular dilemma, however, a few hours previous of heated debate with the misinformed Airman, then watching this and the discussion, I felt the parallel was worthy. Exact? No. Whether you agree or not is your own matter.
painxtreme 1 month ago
@painxtreme True, I am not sure that anyone was ordered to fire at Kent State. I think that was more panic and lack of training and control than following an illegal order. But we all have to follow our conscience.
tkcarr 1 month ago
@tkcarr I agree, and I hope, you, as I have seen this as a good, rigorous and stimulating discussion, and not a typical online pissing contest. I can and do debate and discuss vigorously, as I enjoy the exchange. If I said anything untoward in my assertions or points, I do apologize, and thank you for the discussion.
You are so very right about conscience, and the haze of war is a multiplier of course. Most rise, some fall apart, and then theres the occasional video game Rambo. Cheers!
painxtreme 1 month ago
@painxtreme If we are talking pure Narrative terms, to me Caine is about manipulation, but not so simply. It balances on a pin. Mentally or Physically ill, if command is too ill to carry out their mission, it is the duty of the Wardroom to help him by temporarily relieving him of the burden of command. Just supporting, or humoring a commanding officer that is losing his grasp is endangering a ship and all souls on board. We are left to sift the duty from the manipulator propelling it
painxtreme 1 month ago
Poor Robert Francis, killed in a plane crash at 25
hemming57 6 months ago
@hemming57
It is a shame this handsome, talented young man died so young. He should not have attempted to fly a plane when he was not qualified to do it.
Two other people died in that accident as well.
Rich8951 5 months ago
@Rich8951 Was he not qualified? I never heard much about it. A lady wrote YouTube once that she had seen the plane crash when she was a kid. Ironically, another 25 year old actor was killed a few months later. That was James Dean.
hemming57 5 months ago
it had a good cast, but a friend of mine warned that the movie didn't do the book justice, and from this it sounds like it.
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When I read the book in school- I couldn't really accept that suddenly Keefer had been the villain all along and that Queeg wasn't.
Seeing the movie 15 years later and Ferrer's great performance made me understand what the entire story was about.
mardonius12345 7 months ago
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mardonius12345 7 months ago
And the champagne splashed in Keefer's face leaves what? A yellow stain.
Bogart, Ferrer, McMurray, Johnson, Marshall (my ranking of good performances).
SSArcher11 8 months ago
Ha ha drink in the face, That was to humilate mr keefer cuz he was a rat, Also notice ens harding 1 st part of the movie, That is jerry paris who played the dentist on the dick van dyke show also ken macdonald is 1 of the officers on the court martial board who was in a lot of 3 stooges shorts as the infamous, mr,slip, they had a excellent cast for this flick, Often wonder why mr greenwald had a cast on his right arm.
derail14 8 months ago
@RichardElden They should have cast Richard Burton
stevewatto 8 months ago
The most striking FINAL SCENE ever!
luckyowl249 9 months ago
BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE SO MUCH! barny was an awsome lawyer too! everyone played their parts awsome!
emperoring112 11 months ago
"I'm a lot drunker than you are,so it'll be a fair fight!" The Ultimate Put-
Down!!
Nickcat5 11 months ago
"i'm a lot drunker than you are,so it'll be a fair fight!" The Ultimate Put-
Down!!
Nickcat5 11 months ago
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I agree. Jose Ferrer steals the movie with this scene. And it was a great movie without this scene.
Tode10000 1 year ago
I agree. Jose Ferrer steals the whole movie in this scene. And it was a great movie even without this scene.
Tode10000 1 year ago
A classic scene from a classic movie- and it definetely reminds me of someone!
jimmyb227 1 year ago
This is probably one of the best scenes ever. Greenwald's soliloquy is one of the best ever written. "I'm a lot drunker than you are, so it'll be a fair fight".
penumbra155 1 year ago
Bogey was age 54 the perfect age for a commanding officer, he should have been an Ensign in 1917 not 1937.
RM4FS 1 year ago
Notice Ferrer's collar magically pops out from his entrance to the next shot of him. By the way, this scene does indeed steal the film. Ferrer is amazing in this.
Turnback 1 year ago
Many years ago, I saw this with the 1935 version of "Mutiny on the Bounty" at the Thalia, a revival theater in NYC. Great double feature.The two stories are very similiar, especially the endings.
loufalce 1 year ago 2
My Three Son's dad got owned!
karenpato1 1 year ago
@karenpato1 Was watching this with my ex-; she said she felt sorry for him(MacMurray). Yea,She would....!!
Nickcat5 1 year ago
I disagree with some of the previous posters. This was one of the greatest performances of Bogart's career. He should have won Best Actor for it. And Ferrer should have won best supporting along Fred MacMurray. "Who was out there, defending our country? Queeg was...Not us. We knew you couldn't make any money in the service."
rjack3054 1 year ago
@rjack3054 Bogart was far too old to play Queeg, and he didn't stand a chance against Brando.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
lol I like how Barney says that it will be a fair fight because he's drunk, not mentioning that he'd be fighting with one arm.
kmann23 1 year ago
@kmann23 In the book, he says, "You'll probably lick me. I'm a lousy fighter." But since the implication is, "You'll still be a shitbag," it's an even better line.
moogamax 1 year ago 2
I loved that comment about who was watching over this fat, dumb, happy country of ours. As if anybody who drives a car, rides a bus, eats food from a supermarket or has anything in their life provided to them by anything other than an oil-based economy is somehow innocent of anthing we do to protect our oil supply.
mark1mod0 1 year ago
Damn good movie!!!! love the speach.
clomid100 1 year ago
@clomid100 First saw this movie when I was 14 & I couldn't grasp what he meant. A few years later,as I was growing, I could.
Nickcat5 1 year ago
Pure GENIUS. How can anyone write this stuff, then have a cast act it to absolute perfection?
Stress....destroys a career of a Naval Officer. Jose Ferrer puts it PERFECT in this scene. They (the staff) didn't help "HIM" (Queeg)...that's the kinda sh*t that led to his breakdown!
Just amazing. My left-nut to anyone who could produce this sort of incredible quality in movies anymore.
LIONSMANIAC 1 year ago
@LIONSMANIAC Bogart was far too old to play Queeg.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready
Are you sure? I gotta disagree. On the contrary, he was the ideal age;
Bogart was in his 50s....a perfect match for a demoted Naval Admiral salvaged up because of the huge Japanese threat at the time.
LIONSMANIAC 1 year ago
@LIONSMANIAC Queeg was supposed to be a first-time captain in his early 30s. Bogart was clearly way too old to be from the graduating class of 1936 (the movie was set in 1943). Richard Widmark would have been much better.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready
You're right; just read that part in another thread. I always thought he was a demoted Admiral brought out of moth-balls because of the war (and the line about him defending the seas all those years); however, a '36 grad would've put him around 33 or 34 years old. ~ My bad!
LIONSMANIAC 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Widmark was too robust. Remember, Wouk makes Queeg sound prematurely aged: he's nearly bald and has a pot belly, possibly from boozing. Only a very unglamorous, character-type actor could have done Queeg as much justice as Bogey, but I can't think of who that might have been.
moogamax 1 year ago
@moogamax Not to mention Montgomery Clift.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
Too pretty by half. Actually, Frank Sinatra might have done a good job. He certainly had the temper for it.
moogamax 1 year ago
@moogamax Bogart was terribly miscast, I'm glad he already had cancer.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready You haven't a Clue about the casting & to wish cancer on someone,especially some who never harmed you is downright cruel. You are certainly in the minority with your viewpoint.
Nickcat5 1 year ago
The full speech you seek is in the Robert Altman version with a fine cast. The Caine Mutiny Trial. Eric Begosian blows Jose Ferrer out of the water.
ibcd65 1 year ago
This was second time in Mr.MacMurray's film career
that he played a villian.The first time was in Mr.Wilder's
"Double Indemity" and the third and last time was in another
Wilder film"The Apartment!".
143AC 1 year ago 2
Best scene of the movie. We all could do with more Barneys calling out the Keefers of the world.
kpz1234 1 year ago 2
barney just called keefer a pussy
mitchster666 2 years ago 2
@mitchster666 Loved it!!
Nickcat5 1 year ago
@mitchster666 Right!!! And He WAS Right!!!
Nickcat5 1 year ago
What makes this movie so phenomenal is that the audience was manipulated into hating Queeg as well, until the ending you realized the war had just gotten to Queeg and that Keafer(McMurray) was the real enemy.
BetweenThePipes49 2 years ago 6
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@BetweenThePipes49 Probably because we've all had a Teacher or a Boss( In some cases our own parents) who acted like Queeg & that made it easy to dislike him. A Testament to the Genius of Bogart!!
Nickcat5 1 year ago
Good thing that Lt Merrick had a Vulcan defence atty. : )
jerasdad 2 years ago
"But you... ?" Great scene.
krelllabs 2 years ago
A great scene in a good movie.
jofoliveres2 2 years ago
Nevertheless, Bogart was a great actor and I cannot imagine anybody else in this role. Academy Best Actor nomination is the choice of actors, and Bogart got applause after court scene not because it was his final one, but as sign of admiration of his performance.
Vindobona1995 2 years ago 3
Vin...no argument from me that Bogart was a great actor but all the great ones, at one time or another, had to pay the bills and not all parts were as good as Queeg. Cooper, Gable, Tracy, et al, they all made some average movies. Just a week ago I saw Bogart in a movie from about 1932 and believe me, he wasn't yet Bogie. That would take The Petrified Forest. It took all these guys years to develop their screen persona. Bogart's appeal grew after his death. Not so for some of the others.
Purrturbed 2 years ago
Vin....no doubt because we have seen Bogie so often in this role. But if it had been somone else we would have gotten used to, say, Henry Fonda playing Queeg. I think of the many movies that Gary Cooper played in that would have been just as good had Joel McCrea been in the part. It's very interesting to read about the parts that actors turned down, roles that became much associated with the actors who took the roles. Eastwood and Dirty Harry for instance. Others turned it down.
Purrturbed 2 years ago
Reply to Purrturbed. Hi, I can agree, that originally captain Queeg should be much younger - at the same time this role was played by young Paul Newman at the theater. For sure the film director and especially script writer must adopt the original story of the book to Bogart's age and make him senior navy officer with long experience (at least he must served in World War I too).
Vindobona1995 2 years ago
Don't forget that this was still the era of "Studio contracts" you were under contract to make so many pictures a year. Some of them were real stinkers and you didn't have a lot of choice about it
spankster54 1 year ago
this is nothing as good as the novel. they speak in a high and mighty way. they were drunk and laughing over jokes that only the officers understood. also May and Wille weren't getting married because of a phone call.
cew1965 2 years ago
Right on....good movie, great book. Read it twice. Both were weakened by an inexplicable love story that had no bearing on the Caine. Being a kid in that era I blame it on the prevailing way of doing things in Hollywood back then which was to make a number of male movies palatable for women too. "Caine" was a real good movie that could have been great. I wonder if the stage play included the love angle?
Purrturbed 2 years ago
It would have been a better movie if they would have left out the "Woody romance" side story. That part bored me too death.
jerasdad 2 years ago 2
Great movie, although, and i hate to use such a cliched line, the book had a better ending. It had much more plot after the court martial, and I thought it gave you more to think about.
jrmurph 2 years ago
Interesting observation... I hadn't considered that.
tuxguys 2 years ago
Remarkable scene from a remarkable movie, showcasing a whole lot of talented actors, with very different histories, coming out of very different traditions, whose careers, largely, never interfaced in this way again.
People of a certain age who only think of Fred MacMurray as "The Absent-minded Professor," or Steve Douglas on "My Three Sons," need to know this film, "The Apartment," and, most of all, "Double Indemnity."
tuxguys 2 years ago 3
Thanks! MacMurray was a great Iago figure in this movie.
quornholio 2 years ago 2
the movie is great.
cew1965 2 years ago 2
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The Jew is the great hero. This makes sense if you look on the persons which own the holoywood industry. Herman Woud knew this very well...
eagleeye1939 2 years ago
I have to believe that, in this day and age, you wrote that comment without really giving it any thought... I hope that's what you did, and I forgive you.
tuxguys 2 years ago
Jose Ferrer was the only good actor in the movie, a shame they cast as far too old Bogart as the young Captain Queeg.
PeterFirthFan 2 years ago
Van Johnson was good and so was McMurray. The kid who played Willie was sort of weak. Poor guy died about a year later in a plane crash. You are right about Bogie...too old, way too old to play Queeg. But he was good in the movie.
Purrturbed 2 years ago
I always thought if they were going to cast Bogart they should have made Queeg a veteran of World War I instead of a first-time captain.
PeterFirthFan 2 years ago 2
Your idea would make more sense. In the book...maybe the movie too....it's mentioned that Queeg graduated from Annapolis circa 1936-37. I understand that class issued an invitation for him to come to a reunion, etc. ha ha Queeg should have been about 30 or 31 years old when the mutiny happened.
Purrturbed 2 years ago
Purrturbed, Bogart was not simply good, he was great in this movie and he was nominated for Academy Award forth time in his life. After his (Queeg) final shoot in the court all cast and crew members applauded Bogie. Have more respect, when post you comments.
Vindobona1995 2 years ago
Vin....OK...Bogie was great in "Caine" but he was too old to play the part. He was about fifty-four when the movie was filmed and looked sixty. I was in the navy and served on a destroyer. Fifty-five year old officers are admirals leading fleets of ships not lieutenant-commanders commanding minesweepers. Hollywood has too often had old leading matinee idols playing parts that are too young for them. Same with this movie. Applauding actors after wrapping a movie is standard operating procedure.
Purrturbed 2 years ago
Yeah, you make a good point. If you look at WWII movies, most of the characters are too old. John Wayne was 42 when he make The Sands of Iwo Jima,, and even he was worried about being convincing in the part.
But then again they made Grease, a movie about highschoolers with a cast who were all about 30.. And Robert Redford played a rookie in The Natural when he was wayyyy told.. I guess for the movies you just have to suspend belief in reality.
xvoy2002 2 years ago
@Purrturbed Ah, Van Johnson. The Hollywood beneficiary of WWII. Injured in the filming of "A Guy Named Joe", Johnson had steel plate placed in his head, thus eliminating him from serving in WWII. To this end, Johnson, loved by the ladies of the time for his blond, boyish looks, had many more opportunities for roles. Actors like James Stewart, Robert Taylor and Clark Gable had gone away to war. Van became a hot commodity on the homefront, and made many memorable movies.
painxtreme 1 month ago
That's how you call out a coward.
kpz1234 2 years ago 5
Jose Ferrer just about steals the whole movie.
SCE2AUX 2 years ago 33
@SCE2AUX So Correct!! .Right from the moment hen stepped out of that Jeep I knew he was going to take over!!
Nickcat5 1 year ago
@SCE2AUX — Some time in the '90s, there was a television production of The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial, the original stage play which was the first adaptation of the novel. That line of Greenwald's about people like Queeg ensuring that Goering would never get his chance to wash with his Jewish mother melted into soap was in the post-trial party scene in that production. I remember that line. Peter Coyote was Barney Greenwald in that teleplay.
LordZontar 1 year ago
Best and Most Valuable Scene in Film History -- all hiring, firings, marriages and divorces, births and deaths should have to answer to it... thank you for posting this singular gem... signed, green eyed blonde named jose
Jantelover 2 years ago
You are so correct. After the courtroom scene where Queeg breaks down, the audience has the relief of knowing the good guys won. And then Barney has to remind the officers how weasly they were and guys like Queeg were the real heroes.
And for someone known for his Disney nice guy image, Fred MacMurray could really play a sleazeball.
dgz78 2 years ago 2
If you get the chance, watch The Apartment (1960, stars Jack Lemmon). Fred plays a great sleazeball in that flick.
wlbaz 2 years ago 2
This scene shows that Colenl Jessup in A FEW GOOD MEN was not the villian.
kwestmo 2 years ago
"This scene shows that Colenl Jessup in A FEW GOOD MEN was not the villian."
Two entirely different situations. Queeg was essentially a good guy who cracked under the pressure of combat because he lacked the support of his subordinate officers. Jessup- a peacetime careerist- was a premeditated liar who ended up getting taken into custody in the courtroom as an accessory to murder. Queeg, whatever his flaws, did not prostitute his uniform as an alibi for homicide.
BenAliGtor 2 years ago 4
Well well well!!!
saanzacs 2 years ago 3
Great scene, but I wish they'd done Barney Greenwald's speech in the movie the way Herman Wouk wrote it in the book. Where he goes on about how, but for "old Prussians" like Queeg watching over America while war loomed, Hermann Goering would have ended up washing his fat ass with his Jewish mother (melted into a bar of soap).
Powerful literature- perhaps if they remake the movie they'll put the whole speech into it.
BenAliGtor 2 years ago 14
Powerful film-making, BenAliGtor. Sadly I can't imagine a single present-day American actor who could give this role even an ounce of the "gravitas" as it is portrayed by Mr. Ferrer.
Schande.
WNM52 2 years ago 3
@BenAliGtor Not neccessary, takes away from the main themes of the film, especially since they were in the Pacific theater fighting the Japanese.
They had better not remake it, they will have Maryk as a chick and half of the officers and crew would be extras from 'Brokeback Mountin'. Just let it be.
mynameiztoree 1 year ago
@BenAliGtor Only so much time in a movie!
Nickcat5 1 year ago
@BenAliGtor — Some time in the '90s, there was a television production of The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial, the original stage play which was the first adaptation of the novel. That line of Greenwald's about people like Queeg ensuring that Goering would never get his chance to wash with his Jewish mother melted into soap was in the post-trial party scene in that production. I remember that line. Peter Coyote was Barney Greenwald in that teleplay. Sorry, replied to the wrong poster there.
LordZontar 1 year ago
@BenAliGtor — Some time in the '90s, there was a television production of The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial, the original stage play which was the first adaptation from the novel. That line of Greenwald's about people like Queeg ensuring that Goering would never get his chance to wash with his Jewish mother, melted into soap, was in the post-trial party scene in that production. I remember that line. Peter Coyote was Barney Greenwald in that teleplay.
LordZontar 1 year ago
@BenAliGtor ...It would be absolute treason to remake this fine film. Who can ever replace these actors-especially Mac Murray, Ferrer, and, of course Bogart
loufalce 1 year ago 7
@loufalce I completely disagree. This movie would make a great hbo mini series. The story needs 8 or 10 hours of telling. Jake Gyllenhall, or if they dare, Zac Efron as Willie Keith. Sean Penn could pull off Steve Maryk.Could Nick Cage pull off Queeg?
jake1052003 1 month ago
@jake1052003 Gary Oldman has the talent to do Queeg.
hmaltravers 1 month ago
@hmaltravers Yes, good pick. Casting begins in 3 weeks.
jake1052003 1 month ago
@BenAliGtor
Yes! That line about Goering washing his fat ass with Greenwald's Jewish granny! THAT should have been in the movie!! That put things in a much sharper perspective! That made it personal for Greenwald and reminded us all of what was really at stake out there in the Atlantic, while the "boys" were still walking past the recruiting office!
tenorlord 10 months ago
@BenAliGtor great dialogue. Greenwald's courtroom speech was genius but I can't find it anywhere here.
efficientcom 6 months ago
@BenAliGtor
Well, powerful literature but inaccurate. It is proven, the stories of soap made from Jews, or anyone, is a lie. It didn't happen.
Sorry!
Rich8951 5 months ago
Brilliant.
cochranexyz 2 years ago 3
it' was diffren't in the book.
Goofus5453 2 years ago 3
This was the best performance EVER by the late Jose Ferrer. Pity he didn't receive an Oscar for it...
wlbaz 2 years ago 4
Great movie. Barney the lawyer has a great voice.
FigurinItOut 2 years ago 5
Claasic scene, the drink in the face, to mr keefer, seen this flick 100 times and still like watching it.
derail14 2 years ago 5
- "Here's to you, Mr. Keefer!"
saanzacs 2 years ago 3
Keefer writes a book and Willie sails the Cain!
Damn Straight! A performance out of the ordinary!
xviisecolo 2 years ago 4
one of the best performances by ab actor, ever.
Rivals Duvall's in "Apocolypse Now"
okais13 2 years ago 2
Right on! An outstanding cast too.
You won't find that today!
Cruise as Queeg?!
lol
xviisecolo 2 years ago 3