I can think of at least 1 American persian Bahai individual who was a bodybuilder where Robert Cheeke began being at competitive vegan body builder at Gold's Gym in Corvallis, Oregon. Robert Cheeke is now 1 of the most renown bodybuilder in the world. I don't know if the persian Bahai ever followed his example. What does it take for these Bahais figure out the wisdom of their own teachings?
@NasimATBird It is certainly more compassionate not to eat meat. But Baha'i Faith isn't here to force people to live a certain way. We can read the Writings for ourselves and decide how we want to live. There's more important issues now, e.g., world poverty, violence, terrorism, etc, that humanity has to worry about. The Baha'i Writings say gradually meat eating will be phased out, but it's not unlawful for Baha'is to eat meat. We can live how we want without forcing our choices on others.
@Bahai1844 D reason people eat meat is because they dont think, r ignorant & lazy 2 make possitive changes or do reseach! Its not EZ 2 go vegan, it stars from inside then outside. You need 2 change d way u see world. Main reason 4 most worldy problems: poverty violence terrorism etc is ignoring things most people call worthless such as killing other animals. Meat is source of terror = murdering innocent animals.
AS LONG AS THERE ARE SLAUGHTER HOUSES, THERE WILL BE BATTLE FIELDS.
@Bahai1844 Eating meat or cruelty is not a personal choice, its murder & taking advantage of the weak. If your friend eats human flesh, would you say the same thing! People ate each other in the past, human sacrifice,..... but cant do it now because its against law. Non-human animals cant fight 4 their rights & this is why they r abused in many way & killing eating wearing them seems normal.
@NasimATBird To refrain from eating meat is truly a worthy and smart goal. For pure economical reasons, so many poor people could be fed with the same food that is given to animals before slaughter. The amount of resources (food, water, land) and environmental costs due to livestock production, compounded with the pollution caused by poverty (less efficient methods, clearing of rainforests and lack of proper sanitation) amounts to disaster. To be more sustainable, meat production should stop.
Just to clarify: meat is not unlawful, nor is the wearing of fur. E.g., some quotes: "The eating of pork is not forbidden in the Baha’i Teachings" (Shoghi Effendi, Letter of March 27, 1938, Dawn of a New Day, p. 201); "Animal food is not forbidden, but ‘Abdu’l-Bahá says: 'The time will come when meat will no longer be eaten'" (Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, p. 102); "Ye are free to wear the fur of the sable as ye would that of the beaver, the squirrel, and other animals" (Kitáb-i-Aqdas, par. 9)
@batsharp Before you start judging and passing ignorant comments first go and educate yourself and second burn out the prejudice from your heart.Bahai's are thrown into prison for just that BEING Bahai's,the rest is made up by the Islamic propoganda of Iran so they can have an excuse to go after them.
@Ajatheistgod Where did you get the notion it was a creationists idea we weren't designed to eat meat,do you think every creationist is a vegetarian?It's like saying that only vegans suffer from from B12 deficiency!!Go and watch the video Dr Milton Mills MD "Are humans designed to eat meat", hopefuly if you are open minded and not biased, that will give you a scientific view of how humans are meant to eat.
@AJatheistgod God existance is a different subject. About bacteria, bacteria are no animal. they are alive but not animals. your hair & finger nails are alive too but does it hurt when u trim it!. The same is true about plants. Humans are naturally plant eaters not killers of other animals. You are an animal too so if eating other animals is ok then you will probably eat humans too in case you have to, for survival reasons!
@NasimATBird the Question of "God" is certainly related. Your argument that humans were not "designed" to eat meat is a creationist idea. You might as well believe God created Eve out of the rib of Adam 6000 years ago. Human teeth are not "designed" to do anything. What you should focus on is improving the conditions of slaughterhouses, I agree many are inhumane. And plants have rights too, so should bacteria and insects. You kill small insects every time you drive a car. Insect Rights!
Baha'u'llah clearly states that it is permissible to eat meat in His Tablet to Napoleon III: "Eat ye of that which God hath made lawful unto you and do not shun meat." - Baha'u'llah
@AJatheistgod Bahaullah stated: "RELIGION MUST BE IN ACCORD WITH SCIENCE AND REASON". It means that we must use our BRAINS & not 2 live like PROGRAMMED ROBOTS. There are rules that change as humanity progresses & avoiding animal products is one of these rules because killing eating wearing animals is not in accord with science & reason.
@NasimATBird -- Actually, Baha'is have this teaching backwardsl. Both the Bab and Baha'u'llah were anti-technology and anti-science. (The Bab even forbid study of it.) BuL's comments about the invention of the automobile is one sign that slipped through. The teaching is, actually, that science must not violate or exceed religious ideals. Baha'is have turned it around backwards now and think it means "Science should not be restrained."
@NassimATBird Wow How refreshing Bravo Nassim jan ! I'm an Iranian male Vegan lover of animals (not just pets)Bahai.I have many times discussed this with other Bahais including my parents but unfortunately they are stuck in their old ways.Thank you so much for putting this out cos there are so many Bahais out there who prefer to turn a blind eye to this so they can continue pleasuring their own taste buds!!Go girl i fully support you especialy that you brought this out to the Bahai's at large
Well I don't pretend to know what Baha'u'llah would do, but I do know that it is wrong to look down on people who eat meat. Perhaps you are privileged and have had a wonderful life and can make that choice. Perhaps you were born in a country with a great deal of resources to parents who provided much for you. However, I shouldnt have to remind you that there are people less fortunate than you who rely on animals for survival and I refuse to believe they are sinning.
@9zreed I grew up very poor, on welfare. I have been working class all my life, never making more than $20,000 a year and I am vegan. Being poor is not an excuse to eat the corpses of innocent creatures who lived lonely, miserable lives and died horrible deaths. I never went to college or had the advantage of being super educated but I do have a heart, that's all it takes to know that I have no right to eat a fellow earthling when I don't have to.
there are many rules regarding vegetarianism you're right. however, in the kitab-i-aqdas Baha'u'llah dictates a way to hunt under the protection of God, by invoking the Greatest Name before doing so. And also I remember reading a vignette about Abdu'l Baha where He accepted chicken from a poor person who offered it, because it would have offended the person either way. "Offend ye not and be ye not offended." - Abdu'l Baha
I agree with you, but it is a personal decision, at least for now.
i had a lot of fun going to Bahai meetings with my Grandma when I was a kid, and Bahullah thought and said many cool things, but the laws and dogma are just too much for me
animals eat animals all the time even chimps eat both plant and meat chimps love meat and would make up a plan to capture monkeys so they can eat them so if they can eat both why cant we
@NasimATBird so you guys dont mind atheist meat eaters gays or other religions as long as a person is as good as possible they can get the best part of heaven
In the Baha'is "Most Holy Book," also called the "Book of Laws," their founder, Baha'u'llah says that when hunting, the hunter should say something about God whenever he kills a critter. He also wrote this:
"Wear sable (sammur) just as you wear silk and squirrel-skin and other things."
That's in the Baha'i Book of Laws. End the Baha'i Faith, because it is destroying the White race. WhiteID●Com. The White race is more important than the fake Baha'i Faith.
@DivineFellowship did you know blacks were the 1st people in the bible and in evolution claim our earliest ancestors lived in Africa but when we moved away to europe we got whiter over the years. also what wrong is a person an other colour there still a person
Yeayyyyyyy Im bahaiiii...I was always shocked to see so many Baha'is who call themselves Baha'is, but don't care to learn more about their faith, while only memorizing prayers. This is a great wake-up call!!!!
im not sure if im a baha'i but it is a religion i have allot of respect for there is one thing i dont get the believe is we all go to heaven but we go to different parts of heaven or a other heaven based on how good we are like hitler would be in heaven but the worst part of it. what does that mean ? he could be living in a world that is like earth the only differences is he cant die but can still feel pain sadness and need food and water and air ?
Thankyou Nasim jan!! As a Baha'i of Iranian background, I am thrilled that this video has been posted by an Iranian. I am a vegan and all Iranians (Baha'i, Muslim, Christian, etc) make fun of me for not eating meat, or they tell me I should start eating meat again. They don't realise that once you've been vegan for a long time, even the smell of meat and some other animal products makes you sick. Anyone considering becoming a vegan, take B12 and B complex supplements. Trust me on that one.
all hokos pokos is crap! a good person is a good person the rest is only for scared people! islam,xristian,judaisim, hindues, bodists all a load hokos pokos, just grow up and start thinking!
I can think of at least 1 American persian Bahai individual who was a bodybuilder where Robert Cheeke began being at competitive vegan body builder at Gold's Gym in Corvallis, Oregon. Robert Cheeke is now 1 of the most renown bodybuilder in the world. I don't know if the persian Bahai ever followed his example. What does it take for these Bahais figure out the wisdom of their own teachings?
spiralcosmosart 1 month ago
@NasimATBird It is certainly more compassionate not to eat meat. But Baha'i Faith isn't here to force people to live a certain way. We can read the Writings for ourselves and decide how we want to live. There's more important issues now, e.g., world poverty, violence, terrorism, etc, that humanity has to worry about. The Baha'i Writings say gradually meat eating will be phased out, but it's not unlawful for Baha'is to eat meat. We can live how we want without forcing our choices on others.
Bahai1844 1 month ago
@Bahai1844 D reason people eat meat is because they dont think, r ignorant & lazy 2 make possitive changes or do reseach! Its not EZ 2 go vegan, it stars from inside then outside. You need 2 change d way u see world. Main reason 4 most worldy problems: poverty violence terrorism etc is ignoring things most people call worthless such as killing other animals. Meat is source of terror = murdering innocent animals.
AS LONG AS THERE ARE SLAUGHTER HOUSES, THERE WILL BE BATTLE FIELDS.
NasimATBird 1 month ago
@Bahai1844 Eating meat or cruelty is not a personal choice, its murder & taking advantage of the weak. If your friend eats human flesh, would you say the same thing! People ate each other in the past, human sacrifice,..... but cant do it now because its against law. Non-human animals cant fight 4 their rights & this is why they r abused in many way & killing eating wearing them seems normal.
NasimATBird 1 month ago
@NasimATBird To refrain from eating meat is truly a worthy and smart goal. For pure economical reasons, so many poor people could be fed with the same food that is given to animals before slaughter. The amount of resources (food, water, land) and environmental costs due to livestock production, compounded with the pollution caused by poverty (less efficient methods, clearing of rainforests and lack of proper sanitation) amounts to disaster. To be more sustainable, meat production should stop.
ABahaiPointGroup 1 month ago
@ABahaiPointGroup Thank you : }
NasimATBird 1 month ago
Just to clarify: meat is not unlawful, nor is the wearing of fur. E.g., some quotes: "The eating of pork is not forbidden in the Baha’i Teachings" (Shoghi Effendi, Letter of March 27, 1938, Dawn of a New Day, p. 201); "Animal food is not forbidden, but ‘Abdu’l-Bahá says: 'The time will come when meat will no longer be eaten'" (Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, p. 102); "Ye are free to wear the fur of the sable as ye would that of the beaver, the squirrel, and other animals" (Kitáb-i-Aqdas, par. 9)
Bahai1844 1 month ago
You are soo beautiful!! I am a Muslim so I feel very comfortable with Bahai because it is very close to my faith.
AshasJourney 1 month ago
Ey vay bar in setame adamian bar janavan keh as hich janavary bar namiaiad
zardosht1 1 month ago
got to be the trippiest youtube channel i've ever seen
duckotaco 2 months ago
@batsharp Before you start judging and passing ignorant comments first go and educate yourself and second burn out the prejudice from your heart.Bahai's are thrown into prison for just that BEING Bahai's,the rest is made up by the Islamic propoganda of Iran so they can have an excuse to go after them.
morman29 2 months ago
@WinkyMaeve If that is true then all the other world wide religions are too.
morman29 2 months ago
bahaism is a cult and a political party
not a "faith"
WinkyMaeve 3 months ago
@Ajatheistgod Where did you get the notion it was a creationists idea we weren't designed to eat meat,do you think every creationist is a vegetarian?It's like saying that only vegans suffer from from B12 deficiency!!Go and watch the video Dr Milton Mills MD "Are humans designed to eat meat", hopefuly if you are open minded and not biased, that will give you a scientific view of how humans are meant to eat.
morman29 3 months ago
@hajir9 Dear Hajir, I know who Bahaullah is but AJatheistgod was talking about god existance. This video is not about god, its about animal right.
NasimATBird 3 months ago
bahaism is a fake religion created by filthy english dictators during the time of ghajar dynasty.
batsharp 3 months ago
@AJatheistgod God existance is a different subject. About bacteria, bacteria are no animal. they are alive but not animals. your hair & finger nails are alive too but does it hurt when u trim it!. The same is true about plants. Humans are naturally plant eaters not killers of other animals. You are an animal too so if eating other animals is ok then you will probably eat humans too in case you have to, for survival reasons!
NasimATBird 3 months ago
@NasimATBird the Question of "God" is certainly related. Your argument that humans were not "designed" to eat meat is a creationist idea. You might as well believe God created Eve out of the rib of Adam 6000 years ago. Human teeth are not "designed" to do anything. What you should focus on is improving the conditions of slaughterhouses, I agree many are inhumane. And plants have rights too, so should bacteria and insects. You kill small insects every time you drive a car. Insect Rights!
AJatheistgod 3 months ago
@AJatheistgod You wont learn much if you insist on staying at 1st grade! First do some research instead of repeating the same things over & over.
NasimATBird 3 months ago
Baha'u'llah clearly states that it is permissible to eat meat in His Tablet to Napoleon III: "Eat ye of that which God hath made lawful unto you and do not shun meat." - Baha'u'llah
AJatheistgod 3 months ago
@AJatheistgod Bahaullah stated: "RELIGION MUST BE IN ACCORD WITH SCIENCE AND REASON". It means that we must use our BRAINS & not 2 live like PROGRAMMED ROBOTS. There are rules that change as humanity progresses & avoiding animal products is one of these rules because killing eating wearing animals is not in accord with science & reason.
NasimATBird 3 months ago 3
@NasimATBird -- Actually, Baha'is have this teaching backwardsl. Both the Bab and Baha'u'llah were anti-technology and anti-science. (The Bab even forbid study of it.) BuL's comments about the invention of the automobile is one sign that slipped through. The teaching is, actually, that science must not violate or exceed religious ideals. Baha'is have turned it around backwards now and think it means "Science should not be restrained."
BookOfFlaws 1 month ago
you go girl i'm an iranian male Baha'i and i fully support you in what you say
morman29 3 months ago
@NassimATBird Wow How refreshing Bravo Nassim jan ! I'm an Iranian male Vegan lover of animals (not just pets)Bahai.I have many times discussed this with other Bahais including my parents but unfortunately they are stuck in their old ways.Thank you so much for putting this out cos there are so many Bahais out there who prefer to turn a blind eye to this so they can continue pleasuring their own taste buds!!Go girl i fully support you especialy that you brought this out to the Bahai's at large
morman29 3 months ago
@NasimATBird
Well I don't pretend to know what Baha'u'llah would do, but I do know that it is wrong to look down on people who eat meat. Perhaps you are privileged and have had a wonderful life and can make that choice. Perhaps you were born in a country with a great deal of resources to parents who provided much for you. However, I shouldnt have to remind you that there are people less fortunate than you who rely on animals for survival and I refuse to believe they are sinning.
9zreed 3 months ago
@9zreed I grew up very poor, on welfare. I have been working class all my life, never making more than $20,000 a year and I am vegan. Being poor is not an excuse to eat the corpses of innocent creatures who lived lonely, miserable lives and died horrible deaths. I never went to college or had the advantage of being super educated but I do have a heart, that's all it takes to know that I have no right to eat a fellow earthling when I don't have to.
bekindtoanimals100 3 months ago 2
there are many rules regarding vegetarianism you're right. however, in the kitab-i-aqdas Baha'u'llah dictates a way to hunt under the protection of God, by invoking the Greatest Name before doing so. And also I remember reading a vignette about Abdu'l Baha where He accepted chicken from a poor person who offered it, because it would have offended the person either way. "Offend ye not and be ye not offended." - Abdu'l Baha
I agree with you, but it is a personal decision, at least for now.
9zreed 3 months ago
great video
i had a lot of fun going to Bahai meetings with my Grandma when I was a kid, and Bahullah thought and said many cool things, but the laws and dogma are just too much for me
but go go persian green girl!
romacki 3 months ago
@fksunshine100 some people like u just enjoy teasing others instead of accepting reality!
AS I TOLD U THERE IS NO "HALAL MEAT" SO STOP FOOLING URSELF. WHEN U KILL AN ANIMAL ITS CALLED MURDER & DOESNT MATTER IF THE ANIMAL FEELS PAIN OR NO!
ONLY WILD ANIMALS KILL & EAT FLESH :- }
NasimATBird 3 months ago
KALE PACHE FOR LIFFFEE!!!!
smaj4723 3 months ago
animals eat animals all the time even chimps eat both plant and meat chimps love meat and would make up a plan to capture monkeys so they can eat them so if they can eat both why cant we
knightofjustic 3 months ago
@NasimATBird so you guys dont mind atheist meat eaters gays or other religions as long as a person is as good as possible they can get the best part of heaven
knightofjustic 3 months ago
In the Baha'is "Most Holy Book," also called the "Book of Laws," their founder, Baha'u'llah says that when hunting, the hunter should say something about God whenever he kills a critter. He also wrote this:
"Wear sable (sammur) just as you wear silk and squirrel-skin and other things."
That's in the Baha'i Book of Laws. End the Baha'i Faith, because it is destroying the White race. WhiteID●Com. The White race is more important than the fake Baha'i Faith.
DivineFellowship 4 months ago
@DivineFellowship did you know blacks were the 1st people in the bible and in evolution claim our earliest ancestors lived in Africa but when we moved away to europe we got whiter over the years. also what wrong is a person an other colour there still a person
knightofjustic 3 months ago
Amazing video all BAHA'IS must watch!
StinkyMouths 4 months ago
I have a friend who is Baha'i, he eats KalePache for breakfast!... He does not support animal! :(
mashtee2003 4 months ago
@mashtee2003 what a retarded baha'i!
StinkyMouths 4 months ago
baaz in Nasim endakht too jade khaaki!
mashtee2003 4 months ago
Heyvan bichare zaban nadare ke dardesho bayan kone amma dard mikesheeee
SanamLovesEssie60 5 months ago
Yeayyyyyyy Im bahaiiii...I was always shocked to see so many Baha'is who call themselves Baha'is, but don't care to learn more about their faith, while only memorizing prayers. This is a great wake-up call!!!!
SanamLovesEssie60 5 months ago 5
@SanamLovesEssie60 : )
NasimATBird 5 months ago
@NasimATBird well yer hitler used religion even though he was atheist
knightofjustic 3 months ago
im not sure if im a baha'i but it is a religion i have allot of respect for there is one thing i dont get the believe is we all go to heaven but we go to different parts of heaven or a other heaven based on how good we are like hitler would be in heaven but the worst part of it. what does that mean ? he could be living in a world that is like earth the only differences is he cant die but can still feel pain sadness and need food and water and air ?
knightofjustic 3 months ago
@knightofjustic you don't and can't fuckin' know where hitler is. He's doing to be judged by the omnipotent God and not a limited human as you or me.
duckotaco 2 months ago
Thankyou Nasim jan!! As a Baha'i of Iranian background, I am thrilled that this video has been posted by an Iranian. I am a vegan and all Iranians (Baha'i, Muslim, Christian, etc) make fun of me for not eating meat, or they tell me I should start eating meat again. They don't realise that once you've been vegan for a long time, even the smell of meat and some other animal products makes you sick. Anyone considering becoming a vegan, take B12 and B complex supplements. Trust me on that one.
cameronmoj 5 months ago
all hokos pokos is crap! a good person is a good person the rest is only for scared people! islam,xristian,judaisim, hindues, bodists all a load hokos pokos, just grow up and start thinking!
anna111132 5 months ago
@raminss80 You dont like bahai faith or giving up animal products!
NasimATBird 5 months ago