No. You mean that PEOPLE become arrogant with Christian ideas and turn these truths to their selfish goals and THEN kill people. Righteous Beliefs+Arrogant people=EVIL
Actually, you're wrong. It is the fundamentalists and the people who follow the Bible more closely than moderates that are the problem. There is no arrogant twisting of ideas, the ideas were inherently twisted and all they needed were a few retards to act upon them.
Like Scientology hides under the mask of religion, Christians hide under the mask of compassion. They have no compassion, they killed millions of people through their cruel and unfair reign over the ages. They preach against anything that doesn't go with their ignorant beliefs, they encourage violence and dare to call themselves good and compassionate. Their story is no more convincing than that of the Scientologists. I say, after Scientology falls, they should be next.
Christianity is not a single-minded cult like Scientology is. Each Christian has a different opinion and a different action. The popes of the past and their blood thirst in the Middle East have nothing to do with Christianity, Jesus, or any teaching in the Bible, and everything to do with profits and power.
I am Christian. I do not preach violence, I do not preach war, I do not preach hate. Assuming all Christians are a certain way is as ignorant as assuming Anon has leaders.
I want to add that I am Anonymous as well. I support bringing down any group or person that preys upon human beings and their well-being, be that Scientology, a government, a common scam artist, or someone who pretends to be with a faith for profits(besides scientology).
Um... are you just denying all the evil Christianity has brought to this world? I suggest you look up the term Inquisition, or you just wanna forget about that little thing your "good" religion has done. Today, your religion doesn't kill and torture people like it used to, but it preaches hate towards homosexuals, women, other religions etc. That's just something you can't deny.
What I'm saying is that the "evils of Christianity" have nothing to do with Christianity; they have to do with the evil of liars who call themselves Christian.
Tell me, where in the Gospel does it promote homophobia, hate, or prosecution in systems like the Inquisition? That's all superficial and the product of evil men.
There is a fine line between "religion" (man-made means of control by exploiting a relationship with God) and an actual relationship with God as described in the Bible.
What I'm saying is that the "evils of Christianity" have nothing to do with Christianity; they have to do with the evil of liars who call themselves Christian.
Oh so you mean, priests, bishops, the Vatikan? I mean, I know what you're trying to say, but I also know that I saw a priest on tv saying all women are sinners and should be locked up in the kitchen the whole day, and it's ok to beat them up if they do something their man doesn't like. He said the bible says so.
What are clergy? Popes? Men. Nothing more. They have the same capacity to be corrupted as any of us do. They shouldn't be seen as higher beings. The Bible says nothing about them, because they aren't a part of it. They're just part of a man-made institution.
I'd like to ask that individual where in the Bible it says that though.
Catholicism does not represent Christianity. It's a man-made denomination, just like all other denominations, with man-made rituals and traditions.
Said traditions and rituals have nothing to do with what is actually in the Bible.
The point I'm trying to get across is that there is a big difference between what Christianity really is and what it appears to be through media. Don't allow men in robes to trick you into believing Christianity is something it isn't.
If you're truly curious about what the Bible really says, I suggest reading it.
So what are your beliefs? You believe in being good and doing good? In helping people? Yeah well, that should kinda be common sense. Not religious rules. And it's pretty selfish of a religion to claim that all for it self.
My beliefs? Nothing special, just the age-old Christian belief that Jesus is the son of God that died and suffered so we wouldn't have to. I just prefer not to have a self-imposed middle man between myself and the Bible.
Helping people and good works are great, but they won't get you into Heaven. Like you said, helping others when you can is common sense.
Which is why, back on topic to the video, we should stop the thieves behind Scientology, regardless of our differences.
Um... yeah, you see I don't think anyone who literally believes what's in the bible in 100% sane. So yeah... But stopping the CO$ is definitely in. Too bad there are no scifucks here where I live or I would IRL Troll them every day. Btw, if Eve and Adam were the first people, wouldn't their children have to commit incest in order to prolong the human race?
You're perfectly allowed to believe what you want. Anyways, I question my sanity for more reasons than one. :P
I live not too far from the SoC headquarters, so I should really do my part.
And I have no idea, I was not around back then to watch, lul. I wonder about that too. I also wonder what changed between then and now that drastically shortened the life-expectancy of humans. There's plenty of questions.
The numbers would certainly be appreciated by anon but I'm not sure bringing legitimate religions (regardless or the medieval history) into the fold as it allows the Co$ to use it as proof that it is the target of religious persecution. If you want to help, become anons, do not fight beside them. Do not represent your religion, it is counterproductive and is not welcome as its presence lends the Co$ legitimacy. Don't be stupid, be anon. This isn't a fight to be taken up by religion, but society.
Nice! I wish I knew about this when I picked my name !Well at least now we have yet another group on our side, and one I personally know even! God Bless the 2,000,000,000 Christians that there are today! And the Jews to,they are cool with me!
~~now we see the results of this dangerous cults teachings(allegedly-they sue anyone outing their secrets)~~another death~~from FAKE medical advice from a $ci~~and now the Travolta's will suffer what other families have suffered~~~an unnecessary death of a loved one who needed to be cared for by expert doctors and medications~~~there are MANY in the Christian community who have spent a lifetime telling the lies this cult has passed off as truth and the resulting deaths and destruction~~
Christfags; we appreciate you helping and all, but we seriously doubt that praying will help anyone except yourselves. surely doing something useful like burning them at the stake, or sending in the spanish inquisition would be a better course of action?
look if you are not one of us,you don't have to stand against us for a stupid reason.Anonymous mentioned prayers in his d-day equivalent message.God Bless!Shalom!
know of any people who say the knew Hubbard personally and say what a kind caring person he was? Even his children have given interviews acknowledging what a monster he actually was.What about his 'loyal officers' from the Sea Org who worked with him, they have either 'blown' and are scared to speak out or are DEAD
I don't know Christians, these Scientologists are pretty good lawyers. I know you guys are top dog politicians and can be pretty good at weaseling through the constitution, but even still, that cult looks like your match.
I would sooner convert to Islam or another foreign religion than join Scientology. Hell, I would abandon religion and go atheist before I embraced Scientology. Scientology is nothing but a web of lies spun by a manipulative, money-grubbing megalomaniac by the name of L. Ron Hubbard. Although I do not agree with all of Anonymous' methods, I do agree with their intent.
Scientology is the most complex fraud I've ever seen. It flies under the banner of "a religion" but truly, it is a cult. It baselessly disparages psychiatry while flaunting itself as "the authority." Its methods and practices, while seemingly logical or scientific, are neither. Its "sacred texts" are neither free nor rooted in any discernable logic.
Thanks for helping an uncertain Christian remember that when you break it down, Christianity is about is loving God and loving others, even if it means getting out there and to say to the Scientologists that we don't hate you as human beings, we only have a problem with the organization you're representing.
Thanks a million, and for all you Christians out there, hope you keep Mk 12.29 in mind when you're out protesting.
JackoftheLegion, you can't talk to anybody without calling them nasty hateful names. And the idea of seeing Christians, Jews, Muslims and Agnostics banded together; now that's some kind of a joke, right?
Awesome video. Thanks for speaking out for Christians. We have some bad apples too but true followers of Christ do not judge, they love. I have told my Catholic confirmation classes that as fully participating members of their Church they have two responsibilities. To love and serve. Love and serve the Lord and love and serve their fellow man. Scientology judges and discards or destroys all who dan't believe.
Great Video. The reinforcement that the catholic church can afford us is staggering. Anonymous does not have the means to act against the cult on our own, however we hope to be an informative primer to the evils that the church of Scientology has perpetrated, so that others will be made aware of what we know.
I have, and more, most quotes from LRH are in the public domain and more comming all the time, he was a LUNATIC. If you can't see that you'll be one of: A> The sucked in supporting pay structure and slave till you are broke or dead.
B> somewhere in the middle, always paying, never quite getting there, wanting to but always held back bercause if you get to OTVIII you might call BS, then die, leave, end up in Co$ prison.
C> At the top reaping and pillaging like a mad Caesar.
I just can't imagine him ever getting himself involved with a group who skulk around in masks and carry hate signs against a group that believe differently from them.
We do not carry hate signs, and we wear masks because it is a media reference to the movie V for vendetta. It is a symbol that at its inception was comedic, and became a meme to us of revolutionary action.
"Anonymous is dedicated to stopping the abuses of the Church of Scientology - NOT the practice of Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard Technology.
You have every right to believe in and practice the religion of your choice and no one can take that from you."
I've loved Jesus all my life. I believe that he devoted his life to trying to make the world a better place. I can envision him now, hanging on the cross, his body bruised and strapped with bleeding cuts where he'd been beaten, with blood running from his hands and feet where he'd been nailed to the cross, looking down into the eyes of people who did this to him simply because he believed differently from them.
Well as far as I know no one is attacking their beliefs. If you wanna believe that big foot gave birth to jesus you can believe whatever you want.
If is more like the education of the uneducated that all these people are fighting for. Whether they be christians, anon, or folks like myself.
What you are doing is good to. As long as you are speakng of a true non bias eduaction of people. No one can put a strangle hold on faith. That is the point of it. Faith is faith. Devote w/o ?
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This is insane. Scientology has nothing that is opposed to Christianity. In fact, I know some Christians who go to the Christian Church services on Sunday, and go to Scientology life improvement courses through the week. If you read the books, you read where he says "If it is not true for you, it is not true." Nobody forces anybody to do anything or to believe anything.
The corrupt church of $cientology is why we fight today. It's truly a noble cause for humanity, among so many other issues in the world we all share. Let us focus on one battle at a time. Make no mistake the c0$ will do what it does best. So be prepared! Are you in for the long haul? Are you for freedom of speech? I am. See you all on March 15, across the street from your local $cientology building. make history.
I support this "Christian" group, for I am a Pentecostal Christian. And I will protest March 15...Peacefully and praying for everyones wellbeing and that CO$ is dismantled. Believe what you want but I disagree with you if you do not believe in The Holy Trinity.
"...I received order directly from Miscavige, Marc Yeager, Ray Mithoff, Sanhi Wilhere & Hansuli Stalli & others, to misuse the Hubbard Tech to create extreme mental and emotional distress & insanity in persons...in conjunction with well known coercive mind control techniques..."-Andre Tabayoyon.Google his name, google the civil case number. Educate yourselves as much as possible NOW.
check out info on H A A R P if you want to know what's up with all the wild weather, and google C V 916426 HLH (Tx) or the name andre tabayoyon(ex sea org member of the CO$)re: abuses of technology and how the church used "Hubbard Technology" to destroy people's lives.Please educate yourselves as much as you can on these subjects, NOW
I sent a PM to this poster asking for some ID - I mean, does he have any authority to speak for the whole church? How can we recognise him? He replied that this is bull-baiting, the same technique used by the CoS. Oh really? Is this the way Christians treat their allies?
Well, the defining characteristic of Anonymous IS that its members keep their identities secret :)
Many Anonymous (such as the person who posted this video) claim the Christian faith and use its beliefs as guidelines for activism, but since the group is an adaptive democracy, I wouldn't hold my breath looking for an authority or spokesperson who will speak for everyone else in the group, much less an entire church.
This is right but this poster does not claim to be Anonymous and there are no other signs of a Christian front. I am very wary of all organised religion. To arrive where we are now took centuries of warfare, a Reformation and hundreds of thousands of dead. I asked around and the best opinion was that the Vatican should issue a press release condemning Scientology but I don't know that it has. Now that WOULD be something. This is not bull-baiting it is legitmate enquiry.
He dose not claim to be part of the Vatican or a Church, just that he has other Christians who agree with his point of view.One dose not need to belong to a church to be a Christian if i am not mistaken.
Also his title states "a call to all Christians" if you are a god faring man i urge you to join him in his struggle.
After being harassed so many times by auchraw i had to send him an email calling him a fucktard moron. this guy has been sending me so many emails and odd threats its silly. i keep his posts up here because nothing should be censored. i am christian yes, but i am also anon. Im sure he is shocked by my potty mouth. so am i. i do not speak for the vatican. i speak for a large group of christians who are fighting the fight led by anon.
So many times translates into two (2) messages, neither offensive. But thanks anyway, now I have the information I wanted. And for information I am not a guy, not French and not old, though a lot older than he is.
And this vid sux bull balls, and is a crock, I suppose the idea is somewhat sortta valid, but also flawed in-as-much as Christianity has not and is not particularly tolerant to that which is not a part of it. It is unlikely that there will ever be peace between religions other than tentative truces because they are all right. Kinda like a petri dish with a sneeze in it, give it time, it will fester.
I'm not a Christian myself, but I welcome the participation of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Atheist, Agnostics and others in the fight against this evil organisation.
We are anonymous; we know no god; we appreciate all allies but we are not christians; we are not jews; we are not muslims; we are anonymous divisible by zero. We worship no god or prophet. We appreciate allies, although you may be next to be targetted. Worship is free.
Christians unite against a greater evil!! Abandonment of God is bad enough, but to lead others into such an act for money, is an abomination. Scientology must fall
I was impressed at how you acknowledged the prophets and beliefs of the other great religions of man
i sincerely hope you take up with us on march 15th or shortly thereafter
Anonymous is more than happy to stand beside you against this sadistic cult in hopes to give voice to those who have been silenced from fear of reprisal
I can find no support for Church backing for this video. If this is a genuine message the Christians involved should identify themselves. Otherwise they are no different from Christian Anonymous except liable to go off at a tangent. Anonymous are the experts.
To all freedom fighters: have you prepared for possible defections on 15 March? Physical rescue, safe houses, counselling, transport etc etc? I believe it is vitally important to plan for this eventuality even if no-one makes the break. Let everyone at Flag know there is a Way Out! Then next time there will be results.
Just remember, this is about freeing people who are having their rights abused. This isn't about converting people. If they decide to leave Scientology and FREELY choose to become Christians then that is fine. But religion is a CHOICE, which is why Anon is against Scientology in the first place.
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You forgive everybody?
Well that kind of goes against the general gist of your video there...
Thats one thing that really irritates me about Christians. The carte-blanche forgiveness.
Thats not conducive to justice, that's not any kind of sound morality. Yeah, I know..God will know what to do hey? A lie propping up a farce. Good show.
many of the people that are active against scientology are also opposed to christianity, islam, and all other religions.
so while fighting one enemy another enemy joins our side, that makes the whole thing really interesting. now we can deconvert christians while deconverting scientologists with the help of christians :)
We are not opposed to Christianity, islam, or any other religion. We are in total support of religious freedom. Please educate yourself before making a statement like such. It only makes you look like a fool.
We need to build the broadest consensus possible in favour of people who think religion should be FREELY CHOSEN, and people shouldn't be HYPNOTISED, and made addicted to electro-therapy via the e-meter.
The enemy of our enemy is our friend. You forget that our crusade is not against the bizarre beliefs of scientologists, but against legal harassment, extortion, oppression and murder commited by the corporation disguised as a religion.
Someone somewhere asked why Hubbard used the Cross. It was to make his business look like a religion. But it isn't the Christian Cross. Elron took the Cross and cancelled it out, making a Double-cross :) See cosvm dot org.
CommonSenseAddict: You seem angry that there are verified court records of Hubbard calling Jesus a "lover of boys". I didn't make it so, L. Ron did, so reserve your anger for him.
The only "religion" that brands people "freeloaders" is Scientology, BTW.
Christianity is free. Learning about Jesus is free. No money down. No credit check. No signed contracts. No waivers. And no batteries required.
It is not my place to forgive, because it is not my place to judge. I'll pray for you.
I think he/she/it said "Sodom" (referencing a biblical "city of evil").
As to the second question...generally speaking, Christianity is free. Anyone can just waltz into a church and pray, bibles are handed out for free, etc.
Of course as always is the case (in religions, political ideology, philosophy, etc), one will find swarms of charlatans willing to take advantage of people with open wallets.
Oh yeah? And who pays the preacher? Who pays the electricity? Who paid for that building you waltzed into? Oh, yeah. You pass the plate. And many of you tithe. So what's free?
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That is absolutely NOT TRUE. Sunday Service is free. They don't even pass the plate. The big library is free. Anyone can come and sit and read all day. Anyone taking a course CHOOSES to take a course. Nothing is FORCED on anybody. That's ridiculous.
"Ridiculous", you say? "Not True", you say? Then please explain to me (and I am being sincere in this), why once an individual enters the COS, they cannot leave without suffering degradation, threats, and false accusations? Tell me why the Freezone Scientologists have been denounced,viciously litigated against, and threatened by the COS? Please explain to me why so many have reported that their refusal to take a course was met with venom and contempt? I am not here to jeer, but to question.
A basic tenet of Scientology, is that you must be honest and decent. The handling is much like the Catholic church's confessions. You can spot someone in need of this handling by the way they find fault and blame others. Once they get it handled (admitting to the things that they have done) they're happier and go on about life. Notice the Freezone people; finding fault and blaming others. They say they use the tech, but, they don't even have an Ethics dpt. And YOU are listening to them.
Handling? You mean to tell me the act of saying "What are your crimes?" (many times in a rude and hyper-aggressive manner) and assuming that those who criticize the questionable acts of the organization are all malefactors is considered to be an act of love? How is this different from the dreaded "Fair Game" policy? The only complaint I have heard made by the Freezoners involves some rather brutal legal attacks instigated by the Scientology Organization. Please explain.
It's like I said. They are criticizing and finding fault. And they tend to make up stuff. An Ethics handling is not the act of saying "What are your crimes? etc. Where did you hear that? Some other trouble maker making up stuff?
Allright, then perhaps you can tell me exactly what an "ethics handling" is in your own words. As for where I've seen these examples of what you claim is NOT handling, I've seen it everywhere. Film, radio, and virtually every form of media and print available. Not to mention my own two eyes and ears.
It's really very simple. You just write up you O/W's (overts and withholds). That's things you've done to others that you wouldn't want done to you. It can be as simple as stealing your little brother's cookie. That's all it is. I'm sorry, the film, radio and print are not to be trusted. They often like to sensationalize to get people all worked up. And what did you observe with your own two eyes and ears?
I like to have open discussions with people from all walks of life. When there is an issue, I like to give others a chance to explain themselves. I have done this same thing with virtually religious groups ranging from the Catholic Church to The Church of Satan. We talked. I listened. We both learned. I have attempted the same with your brethren and I was met with suspicion and upon asking about any of the hot button issues (like the deaths or the RPF) my inquiries were met with threats.
This has been my history with your organization. I would open my arms and ask questions in the spirit of free, peaceful discourse and the only responses I received ranged from thinly veiled legal threats to actual attempts to injure me. What is so hard about sitting down and answering a few questions? To be honest YOU seem to be the only one who hasn't blown me off or threatened to gut me from crotch to gullet (to paraphrase Blackbeard).
Now as for your statement about media sources, there is an old saying: "When a jew calls you false, you may laugh. When a moor calls you false, you may laugh. When a christian calls you false, you may laugh. When all three call you false, you may be false". When so many sources, which are often in opposition all have the same agreement of information....well let's be honest, the time has come to answer some tough questions and make some long needed apologies.
I can understand that any given group has its bad apples. A few bad guys make everyone look like a criminal, after all. Yet when so many members of the same organization: Bullbait, intimidate, threaten, and attempt to harm peaceful demonstrators and it is caught on every conceivable form of recording instrument and NO ONE within the organization steps up and makes an official statement denouncing them....at that point the whole organization becomes suspect.
And Scientology is so much more than this. The group has a much greater mission that to field questions about false threats that came off the internet. If you wanted to find out about the church, come by and see a film and talk to someone.
And where did you approach these people and how? When the group is out on a mission like helping the Red Cross after a disaster or some other benevelant thing and they are attacked by someone wanting to bring these things up, and it is usually done with aggression and hatred, the only response is one in kind. A person who would attack our group has crimes of his own.
I would go to the Scientology centers in my area on a normal bussiness day, and ask if I can speak to someone in regards to my concerns about the group. After a considerable run around, (if I got anyone at all) I would ask them basic questions about their issues which concerned actions undertaken by their organization (again, much like I had done with other faiths in the past). Yet no matter how polite, non-threatening (and dare I say....charming?) I was, I was tossed out on my ear.
As for your suggestion that your critics are criminals (or as you say, "have crimes of their own"), can't you see the logical flaw in that? A person who is asking your organization to answer for what it may or may not have done is demonstrating a desire for justice and truth. Why does your organization shy away from confronting its critics at every opportunity by instead insists that all these concerned citizens are criminals and that they (the Organization) does not need to answer to anyone?
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Christianity has killed/hurt more people than Scientology could ever imagine. It is like Pepsi vs Coke except both cans are full of urine.
cyfuse 2 years ago
No. You mean that PEOPLE become arrogant with Christian ideas and turn these truths to their selfish goals and THEN kill people. Righteous Beliefs+Arrogant people=EVIL
blackneos940 2 years ago
Actually, you're wrong. It is the fundamentalists and the people who follow the Bible more closely than moderates that are the problem. There is no arrogant twisting of ideas, the ideas were inherently twisted and all they needed were a few retards to act upon them.
cyfuse 2 years ago
I'm a Pagan Anonymous.
I don't like christfags, but I guess we should ceasefire for now.
todiwan 2 years ago
When will you all learn? Rules 1 and 2 only apply to raids.
spycaper51 2 years ago
DIAF newfag. You're the cancer that is killing *.
todiwan 2 years ago
/facepalm
spycaper51 2 years ago
Can't find my comment anywhere.
todiwan 2 years ago
Like Scientology hides under the mask of religion, Christians hide under the mask of compassion. They have no compassion, they killed millions of people through their cruel and unfair reign over the ages. They preach against anything that doesn't go with their ignorant beliefs, they encourage violence and dare to call themselves good and compassionate. Their story is no more convincing than that of the Scientologists. I say, after Scientology falls, they should be next.
dbrzdejmasakr 2 years ago
Christianity is not a single-minded cult like Scientology is. Each Christian has a different opinion and a different action. The popes of the past and their blood thirst in the Middle East have nothing to do with Christianity, Jesus, or any teaching in the Bible, and everything to do with profits and power.
I am Christian. I do not preach violence, I do not preach war, I do not preach hate. Assuming all Christians are a certain way is as ignorant as assuming Anon has leaders.
Think. Take care.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
I want to add that I am Anonymous as well. I support bringing down any group or person that preys upon human beings and their well-being, be that Scientology, a government, a common scam artist, or someone who pretends to be with a faith for profits(besides scientology).
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
Um... are you just denying all the evil Christianity has brought to this world? I suggest you look up the term Inquisition, or you just wanna forget about that little thing your "good" religion has done. Today, your religion doesn't kill and torture people like it used to, but it preaches hate towards homosexuals, women, other religions etc. That's just something you can't deny.
dbrzdejmasakr 2 years ago
What I'm saying is that the "evils of Christianity" have nothing to do with Christianity; they have to do with the evil of liars who call themselves Christian.
Tell me, where in the Gospel does it promote homophobia, hate, or prosecution in systems like the Inquisition? That's all superficial and the product of evil men.
There is a fine line between "religion" (man-made means of control by exploiting a relationship with God) and an actual relationship with God as described in the Bible.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
What I'm saying is that the "evils of Christianity" have nothing to do with Christianity; they have to do with the evil of liars who call themselves Christian.
Oh so you mean, priests, bishops, the Vatikan? I mean, I know what you're trying to say, but I also know that I saw a priest on tv saying all women are sinners and should be locked up in the kitchen the whole day, and it's ok to beat them up if they do something their man doesn't like. He said the bible says so.
dbrzdejmasakr 2 years ago
What are clergy? Popes? Men. Nothing more. They have the same capacity to be corrupted as any of us do. They shouldn't be seen as higher beings. The Bible says nothing about them, because they aren't a part of it. They're just part of a man-made institution.
I'd like to ask that individual where in the Bible it says that though.
Catholicism does not represent Christianity. It's a man-made denomination, just like all other denominations, with man-made rituals and traditions.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
Said traditions and rituals have nothing to do with what is actually in the Bible.
The point I'm trying to get across is that there is a big difference between what Christianity really is and what it appears to be through media. Don't allow men in robes to trick you into believing Christianity is something it isn't.
If you're truly curious about what the Bible really says, I suggest reading it.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
So what are your beliefs? You believe in being good and doing good? In helping people? Yeah well, that should kinda be common sense. Not religious rules. And it's pretty selfish of a religion to claim that all for it self.
dbrzdejmasakr 2 years ago
My beliefs? Nothing special, just the age-old Christian belief that Jesus is the son of God that died and suffered so we wouldn't have to. I just prefer not to have a self-imposed middle man between myself and the Bible.
Helping people and good works are great, but they won't get you into Heaven. Like you said, helping others when you can is common sense.
Which is why, back on topic to the video, we should stop the thieves behind Scientology, regardless of our differences.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
Um... yeah, you see I don't think anyone who literally believes what's in the bible in 100% sane. So yeah... But stopping the CO$ is definitely in. Too bad there are no scifucks here where I live or I would IRL Troll them every day. Btw, if Eve and Adam were the first people, wouldn't their children have to commit incest in order to prolong the human race?
dbrzdejmasakr 2 years ago
You're perfectly allowed to believe what you want. Anyways, I question my sanity for more reasons than one. :P
I live not too far from the SoC headquarters, so I should really do my part.
And I have no idea, I was not around back then to watch, lul. I wonder about that too. I also wonder what changed between then and now that drastically shortened the life-expectancy of humans. There's plenty of questions.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
I never read the bible and I probably never will, but if any of that is true, I hope Kain is a vampire and vampires are real lol.
dbrzdejmasakr 2 years ago
Lol k.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
Though studying it would give you an idea of what it's really about and what it really isn't about.
Same goes for Scientology, but you may have to pay a few thousand dollars to get that far though.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
Nah, just watch South Park, it clears up pretty much everything about scientology lol.
dbrzdejmasakr 2 years ago
The numbers would certainly be appreciated by anon but I'm not sure bringing legitimate religions (regardless or the medieval history) into the fold as it allows the Co$ to use it as proof that it is the target of religious persecution. If you want to help, become anons, do not fight beside them. Do not represent your religion, it is counterproductive and is not welcome as its presence lends the Co$ legitimacy. Don't be stupid, be anon. This isn't a fight to be taken up by religion, but society.
Slade671 2 years ago
Christianity has a history of violence as well, far worse than Anon's for one thing, it's real!
Scientology must be destroyed, I'll get my DC-8
MizoxNG 2 years ago 2
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we are anonymous
we do not forgive
we do not forget
we are legion
nikigustapie 2 years ago 2
i was a chirstfag. i am no longer. i am anonymous
being both is possible. together we can destroy the Scifags.
we are anonymous
we are legion
we donot forgive
we donot forget
expect us
couruzo 2 years ago
How can there be so many christians in the world in and so few views .. sad ..
anonHivemind 2 years ago
christfag means srs bizziniss!
kujun2 2 years ago
Christians never seemed so... bad-ass.
Rsimon859 2 years ago 10
I am Trevor B Sampson, I support the anonymous however I wear no mask for the "church" of Scientology wears a mask too, it is called religion.
I support the anonymous: the ultimate democracy of the human race!
TBSnerd 3 years ago 3
Nice! I wish I knew about this when I picked my name !Well at least now we have yet another group on our side, and one I personally know even! God Bless the 2,000,000,000 Christians that there are today! And the Jews to,they are cool with me!
7anonymousjesus 3 years ago
I am Christian
I am Anonymous
Anonymous is something that can come from ALL walks of life. My prayers go to every Anon on the next protest. Bring down this cult. Save mankind.
snowninja7842 3 years ago 4
Anon and Christianity join forces? Wow, I'm truly speechless. Legion and Crusaders combined form a force not seen in recent memory.
yerdreamsrequiem 3 years ago
~~now we see the results of this dangerous cults teachings(allegedly-they sue anyone outing their secrets)~~another death~~from FAKE medical advice from a $ci~~and now the Travolta's will suffer what other families have suffered~~~an unnecessary death of a loved one who needed to be cared for by expert doctors and medications~~~there are MANY in the Christian community who have spent a lifetime telling the lies this cult has passed off as truth and the resulting deaths and destruction~~
memama2 3 years ago
thats right.
love7277 3 years ago
Whoever thought having the creepy speech synth say "We will not harm you do not be afraid" was a good idea missed the point.
Sinister. Comforting. Pick one.
doompuma 3 years ago
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God damn, not again...
berbiz4rr3 3 years ago
win
multiproductions 3 years ago 6
If legitimate religions want to get on board, good for them and good for all of us.
PlushroomyGlow 3 years ago 5
Christfags; we appreciate you helping and all, but we seriously doubt that praying will help anyone except yourselves. surely doing something useful like burning them at the stake, or sending in the spanish inquisition would be a better course of action?
Gohansan01 3 years ago
look if you are not one of us,you don't have to stand against us for a stupid reason.Anonymous mentioned prayers in his d-day equivalent message.God Bless!Shalom!
7anonymousjesus 3 years ago
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Wow.
I'm not sure whether to call this gay...or EXTREMELY gay.
The Christ-fag just said everything the Chan-fags said...but put Jesus ALL over it.
>_>
"no one to lean on"? Really?
God gave man free will, right? Respect faggots. Respect.
AzianPrideMang 3 years ago
epic lulz
manhattanwombat 3 years ago
Exactly how I feel. Exactly.
xXshane23Xx 3 years ago
5 stars..im an atheist but we are all people eh?
Pooper0101 3 years ago 3
Even as an Atheist, I shall put our differences aside...for great justice.
DraculusBM 3 years ago 9
YEEEUUUHHH
EfAnon 3 years ago
But, seriously, all you christfags, thanks a lot for this. It means a lot to some Anons.
CheesePhoenix 3 years ago
know of any people who say the knew Hubbard personally and say what a kind caring person he was? Even his children have given interviews acknowledging what a monster he actually was.What about his 'loyal officers' from the Sea Org who worked with him, they have either 'blown' and are scared to speak out or are DEAD
angloman1 3 years ago 2
I don't know Christians, these Scientologists are pretty good lawyers. I know you guys are top dog politicians and can be pretty good at weaseling through the constitution, but even still, that cult looks like your match.
HastaFatum 3 years ago
OMFG, hivemind uprising!
UNGlancer 3 years ago
I would sooner convert to Islam or another foreign religion than join Scientology. Hell, I would abandon religion and go atheist before I embraced Scientology. Scientology is nothing but a web of lies spun by a manipulative, money-grubbing megalomaniac by the name of L. Ron Hubbard. Although I do not agree with all of Anonymous' methods, I do agree with their intent.
Jadoxitic 3 years ago 5
And anonymous is of all religions.
CheesePhoenix 3 years ago
exactly!
riathepinkie 3 years ago
Scientology is the most complex fraud I've ever seen. It flies under the banner of "a religion" but truly, it is a cult. It baselessly disparages psychiatry while flaunting itself as "the authority." Its methods and practices, while seemingly logical or scientific, are neither. Its "sacred texts" are neither free nor rooted in any discernable logic.
Jadoxitic 3 years ago
Scientology will fall.
all22787 3 years ago 2
holla
totalOBlivion13 3 years ago
Finally! I'm so glad that Anonymous is not the only group protesting!
Thank you! I have the answer to how to protest now!
Kaza0kun 3 years ago
You said it. Not only is scifaggotry destroying the internets, but it is also shitting on society and biting the dick of life.
ifeedoffpain222 3 years ago
i miss all the christfags that briefly attended /b/. we scared them off. :)
skyfire1 3 years ago
Oh lawd, is dat sum CHRISTFAG /b/LACKUP?
hvgl44 3 years ago
Sir, you cheered up my day, despite your newfaggot disregard of rules 1 and 2.
You get + 2 internets, -1 for the faggotry.
CheesePhoenix 3 years ago
So what makes you the authority? Have you died and found out?
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
Through God, all things are possible. If we all stand together in prayer, He will move powerfully.
God bless.
Munchkinssparkles 3 years ago 3
Thanks for helping an uncertain Christian remember that when you break it down, Christianity is about is loving God and loving others, even if it means getting out there and to say to the Scientologists that we don't hate you as human beings, we only have a problem with the organization you're representing.
Thanks a million, and for all you Christians out there, hope you keep Mk 12.29 in mind when you're out protesting.
I'll see you all on the street!
ensuit 3 years ago
JackoftheLegion, you can't talk to anybody without calling them nasty hateful names. And the idea of seeing Christians, Jews, Muslims and Agnostics banded together; now that's some kind of a joke, right?
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
Awesome video. Thanks for speaking out for Christians. We have some bad apples too but true followers of Christ do not judge, they love. I have told my Catholic confirmation classes that as fully participating members of their Church they have two responsibilities. To love and serve. Love and serve the Lord and love and serve their fellow man. Scientology judges and discards or destroys all who dan't believe.
ANONYMOUS RULES!!!! The truth is out there.
iamfairgame 3 years ago 3
Great Video. The reinforcement that the catholic church can afford us is staggering. Anonymous does not have the means to act against the cult on our own, however we hope to be an informative primer to the evils that the church of Scientology has perpetrated, so that others will be made aware of what we know.
Neoatomica 3 years ago
How do you know Hubbard said that? Did you pay to read it?
CommonSenseAddict 4 years ago
I have, and more, most quotes from LRH are in the public domain and more comming all the time, he was a LUNATIC. If you can't see that you'll be one of: A> The sucked in supporting pay structure and slave till you are broke or dead.
B> somewhere in the middle, always paying, never quite getting there, wanting to but always held back bercause if you get to OTVIII you might call BS, then die, leave, end up in Co$ prison.
C> At the top reaping and pillaging like a mad Caesar.
FK, its out there
Ogsonofgroo 3 years ago
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jebus lawl
Xenu733t 4 years ago
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Christians are going to lose soooooo hard...prayers...lol.
mrtaz85 4 years ago
I just can't imagine him ever getting himself involved with a group who skulk around in masks and carry hate signs against a group that believe differently from them.
CommonSenseAddict 4 years ago
We do not carry hate signs, and we wear masks because it is a media reference to the movie V for vendetta. It is a symbol that at its inception was comedic, and became a meme to us of revolutionary action.
"Anonymous is dedicated to stopping the abuses of the Church of Scientology - NOT the practice of Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard Technology.
You have every right to believe in and practice the religion of your choice and no one can take that from you."
Neoatomica 3 years ago
I've loved Jesus all my life. I believe that he devoted his life to trying to make the world a better place. I can envision him now, hanging on the cross, his body bruised and strapped with bleeding cuts where he'd been beaten, with blood running from his hands and feet where he'd been nailed to the cross, looking down into the eyes of people who did this to him simply because he believed differently from them.
CommonSenseAddict 4 years ago
I see you're playing the Christ Game, as LRH called it.
FreePlay 3 years ago
Well as far as I know no one is attacking their beliefs. If you wanna believe that big foot gave birth to jesus you can believe whatever you want.
If is more like the education of the uneducated that all these people are fighting for. Whether they be christians, anon, or folks like myself.
What you are doing is good to. As long as you are speakng of a true non bias eduaction of people. No one can put a strangle hold on faith. That is the point of it. Faith is faith. Devote w/o ?
achosenpath 4 years ago
They can have our freemdom.
rabidus666 4 years ago
what are you just leavin the same message everywhere you go?
achosenpath 4 years ago
(this was ment for 16sag7) not for the video...
achosenpath 4 years ago
@Commonsenseaddict OH really?
"The man on the Cross. There was no Christ."
-L Ron Hubbard
AnonymousSP1 4 years ago 2
Oh, really? I don't remember ever reading that. "It's not true unless it's true for you."
CommonSenseAddict 4 years ago
[AnonymousSP1] "The man on the Cross. There was no Christ." -L Ron Hubbard
[CommonSenseAddict] Oh, really? I don't remember ever reading that.
Really?
Do you want a link to an audio clip of him saying it?
FreePlay 3 years ago
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This is insane. Scientology has nothing that is opposed to Christianity. In fact, I know some Christians who go to the Christian Church services on Sunday, and go to Scientology life improvement courses through the week. If you read the books, you read where he says "If it is not true for you, it is not true." Nobody forces anybody to do anything or to believe anything.
CommonSenseAddict 4 years ago
We are Christians.
Too long have we stood back.
Now let's go spread the good word.
JadenShrridor 4 years ago 3
We are Christians.
Too long have we stood back.
Now let's go spread the good word.
JadenShrridor 4 years ago 3
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The corrupt church of $cientology is why we fight today. It's truly a noble cause for humanity, among so many other issues in the world we all share. Let us focus on one battle at a time. Make no mistake the c0$ will do what it does best. So be prepared! Are you in for the long haul? Are you for freedom of speech? I am. See you all on March 15, across the street from your local $cientology building. make history.
March 15, 2008 11am local time World Wide.
AnonymousSP1 4 years ago
ESCAPE ON March 15TH. FREEDOM IS AROUND THE CORNER. Katie go home!
putertink 4 years ago 2
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If you are a Scientologist and thinking of leaving the church...
exscientologykids c o m
Meet Scientologists just like you who have left the church and are doing well on the outside.
So many scientologists have left the church, so can you.
Leaving Scientology IS the Bridge to Total Freedom.
Free yourself. Make it true for yourself.
AnonymousSP1 4 years ago 2
Anonoymous comes from all walks of life, all over the world. All ages and backgrounds. All Gods children.
We will reveal the truth about the co$ peacefully. Knowledge is free, religion is free. It's that simple.
AnonymousSP1 4 years ago 6
I support this "Christian" group, for I am a Pentecostal Christian. And I will protest March 15...Peacefully and praying for everyones wellbeing and that CO$ is dismantled. Believe what you want but I disagree with you if you do not believe in The Holy Trinity.
Pentecostal19 4 years ago 2
If truth and peace is on our side how can we lose? Join us on March 15
AnonymousSP1 4 years ago 4
Start a website and plan some events on our own. Stand with Anon on March 15th, but then talk to other Christians.
Activism is not just posting a video.
emprise 4 years ago 3
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"...I received order directly from Miscavige, Marc Yeager, Ray Mithoff, Sanhi Wilhere & Hansuli Stalli & others, to misuse the Hubbard Tech to create extreme mental and emotional distress & insanity in persons...in conjunction with well known coercive mind control techniques..."-Andre Tabayoyon.Google his name, google the civil case number. Educate yourselves as much as possible NOW.
pOopyMcscoopscoop 4 years ago
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check out info on H A A R P if you want to know what's up with all the wild weather, and google C V 916426 HLH (Tx) or the name andre tabayoyon(ex sea org member of the CO$)re: abuses of technology and how the church used "Hubbard Technology" to destroy people's lives.Please educate yourselves as much as you can on these subjects, NOW
pOopyMcscoopscoop 4 years ago
I sent a PM to this poster asking for some ID - I mean, does he have any authority to speak for the whole church? How can we recognise him? He replied that this is bull-baiting, the same technique used by the CoS. Oh really? Is this the way Christians treat their allies?
auchraw 4 years ago
Well, the defining characteristic of Anonymous IS that its members keep their identities secret :)
Many Anonymous (such as the person who posted this video) claim the Christian faith and use its beliefs as guidelines for activism, but since the group is an adaptive democracy, I wouldn't hold my breath looking for an authority or spokesperson who will speak for everyone else in the group, much less an entire church.
Lukadia 4 years ago
This is right but this poster does not claim to be Anonymous and there are no other signs of a Christian front. I am very wary of all organised religion. To arrive where we are now took centuries of warfare, a Reformation and hundreds of thousands of dead. I asked around and the best opinion was that the Vatican should issue a press release condemning Scientology but I don't know that it has. Now that WOULD be something. This is not bull-baiting it is legitmate enquiry.
auchraw 4 years ago
He dose not claim to be part of the Vatican or a Church, just that he has other Christians who agree with his point of view.One dose not need to belong to a church to be a Christian if i am not mistaken.
Also his title states "a call to all Christians" if you are a god faring man i urge you to join him in his struggle.
Best of wishes to you.
sypherffs 4 years ago
After being harassed so many times by auchraw i had to send him an email calling him a fucktard moron. this guy has been sending me so many emails and odd threats its silly. i keep his posts up here because nothing should be censored. i am christian yes, but i am also anon. Im sure he is shocked by my potty mouth. so am i. i do not speak for the vatican. i speak for a large group of christians who are fighting the fight led by anon.
everyman101 4 years ago
'kay.
GTFO, auchraw.
Noak3 4 years ago
So many times translates into two (2) messages, neither offensive. But thanks anyway, now I have the information I wanted. And for information I am not a guy, not French and not old, though a lot older than he is.
auchraw 4 years ago
I just took out dianetics from my local library and am reading it. It does not make sense. Total insanity!
anonycruze 4 years ago
Don't hurt yerself too bad eh!
And this vid sux bull balls, and is a crock, I suppose the idea is somewhat sortta valid, but also flawed in-as-much as Christianity has not and is not particularly tolerant to that which is not a part of it. It is unlikely that there will ever be peace between religions other than tentative truces because they are all right. Kinda like a petri dish with a sneeze in it, give it time, it will fester.
My opinion, no harm meant to anyone.
Power to the people!!
Ogsonofgroo 4 years ago
I'm a Christian and I was at the protest and will be at the next one. You don't want to be linked with Anon.
So what are your plans? When is your protest? What letters are you writing?
I support Christians running off scientology. However, it will take more than making a video.
emprise 4 years ago
I'm not a Christian myself, but I welcome the participation of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Atheist, Agnostics and others in the fight against this evil organisation.
March 15th - Bigger, Better, Be There
Twopints1977 4 years ago
WeRL3G10N 4 years ago
poser
chucknorris51 4 years ago
We are Anonymous
We are legion
We do not forgive
We do not forget
And we are not alone
Expect us, for the Voice-less, the blind, will speak and see freely and true once more.
GearsOfAnon 4 years ago
Hey Ya'll Check this out! (Put this in the search) "The Ides of March - Anonymous vs Scientology - Why We Fight"
brabantisle 4 years ago
Christians unite against a greater evil!! Abandonment of God is bad enough, but to lead others into such an act for money, is an abomination. Scientology must fall
GrammerNg 4 years ago
March 15th!
This is not about killing the way people belive in magical fairy tales..
This is about the corupted system that is Co$!
THis is about the lives they have ruined!
This is about tax fraud!
This is about ending Co$ in its present form.
However good CoS can belive what ever they wish.
Knowledge is free!
Open the doors to the sunlight!
Anon march 15th!
ForeverEternity0 4 years ago
a proud anonymous here
I was impressed at how you acknowledged the prophets and beliefs of the other great religions of man
i sincerely hope you take up with us on march 15th or shortly thereafter
Anonymous is more than happy to stand beside you against this sadistic cult in hopes to give voice to those who have been silenced from fear of reprisal
We are Anonymous
We are legion
We do not forgive
We do not forget
And we are not alone
Expect us.
TheeAlannon 4 years ago 3
Fucking lol at an alliance between Christianity and Anonymous. I came.
BraceForEpic 4 years ago
tis fuxed to be sure, the legions grow.
sypherffs 4 years ago
whay a gay video
defendscientology 4 years ago
what does "whay" mean? or were you just trying to ryhme?
everyman101 4 years ago
"Come to us and no one will harm you ever again."
That's a pretty big promise! And a lie. You can't protect everyone, and God apparently refuses to.
WurdBendur 4 years ago
anon is not malicious
internet love machine!!
superdevon5 4 years ago 2
If you truly love freedom protest 3.15.08
AnonPatriot 4 years ago 2
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Religion should have NOTHING to do with this campaign
IGNORE THIS VIDEO, it may just be Christian propaganda for recruitment practice.
Remember, this is NOT ABOUT RELIGION, so keep it OUT.
SynapticChaos 4 years ago
Excuse me? I am anon and I am Christian, do not tar us all with one brush
samthehydra 4 years ago 7
Read the title + 'About This Video' carefully, plz. They are *not* claiming to represent Anonymous as a whole.
I'm guessing you'll see little proselytizing on 15 March; too many hecklers ahoof that day~
Actually, I agree with you.
Neurosnarfer 4 years ago
I can find no support for Church backing for this video. If this is a genuine message the Christians involved should identify themselves. Otherwise they are no different from Christian Anonymous except liable to go off at a tangent. Anonymous are the experts.
auchraw 4 years ago
Be sure to come out and picket Scientology on March 15th.
kingofthekrill 4 years ago 4
To all freedom fighters: have you prepared for possible defections on 15 March? Physical rescue, safe houses, counselling, transport etc etc? I believe it is vitally important to plan for this eventuality even if no-one makes the break. Let everyone at Flag know there is a Way Out! Then next time there will be results.
auchraw 4 years ago 2
You can't really promise scientologists that by leaving the cult "No one will ever harm them again.
United against a common enemy. Glad to have you with us.
WeAreCalledLegion 4 years ago
WIN!!
Yavvie 4 years ago
Anonymous stands by any man who values freedom and equality, no matter what religion they be behind their anonymous mask.
Ultrasecond 4 years ago 6
Just remember, this is about freeing people who are having their rights abused. This isn't about converting people. If they decide to leave Scientology and FREELY choose to become Christians then that is fine. But religion is a CHOICE, which is why Anon is against Scientology in the first place.
anonymous23252 4 years ago
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You forgive everybody?
Well that kind of goes against the general gist of your video there...
Thats one thing that really irritates me about Christians. The carte-blanche forgiveness.
Thats not conducive to justice, that's not any kind of sound morality. Yeah, I know..God will know what to do hey? A lie propping up a farce. Good show.
memblor 4 years ago
Anonymous Christfags unite!
LauraOrganaSolo 4 years ago 8
this will be interesting.
many of the people that are active against scientology are also opposed to christianity, islam, and all other religions.
so while fighting one enemy another enemy joins our side, that makes the whole thing really interesting. now we can deconvert christians while deconverting scientologists with the help of christians :)
this will be fun.
kurtilein3 4 years ago
Kurtilein,
We are not opposed to Christianity, islam, or any other religion. We are in total support of religious freedom. Please educate yourself before making a statement like such. It only makes you look like a fool.
anonymous627 4 years ago 3
We need to build the broadest consensus possible in favour of people who think religion should be FREELY CHOSEN, and people shouldn't be HYPNOTISED, and made addicted to electro-therapy via the e-meter.
anonymous23252 4 years ago
The enemy of our enemy is our friend. You forget that our crusade is not against the bizarre beliefs of scientologists, but against legal harassment, extortion, oppression and murder commited by the corporation disguised as a religion.
WeAreCalledLegion 4 years ago
Someone somewhere asked why Hubbard used the Cross. It was to make his business look like a religion. But it isn't the Christian Cross. Elron took the Cross and cancelled it out, making a Double-cross :) See cosvm dot org.
auchraw 4 years ago 3
It's the same crossed-out cross used early in the 20th century by Aleister Crowley, the satanist.
WeAreCalledLegion 4 years ago
The Church of the Double-Cross.
auchraw 4 years ago 2
I LOL'd!!
WeAreCalledLegion 4 years ago
2 questions: Did he really say "You are Saddam"? WTF
And: Since when is Christianity free?
tokotokotoko3 4 years ago
Because you can be a christian your whole life and not pay a dime.
Drayt112 4 years ago 3
Freeloading off the ones who do, eh?
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
CommonSenseAddict: You seem angry that there are verified court records of Hubbard calling Jesus a "lover of boys". I didn't make it so, L. Ron did, so reserve your anger for him.
The only "religion" that brands people "freeloaders" is Scientology, BTW.
Christianity is free. Learning about Jesus is free. No money down. No credit check. No signed contracts. No waivers. And no batteries required.
It is not my place to forgive, because it is not my place to judge. I'll pray for you.
MomAnon21008 3 years ago 5
I think he/she/it said "Sodom" (referencing a biblical "city of evil").
As to the second question...generally speaking, Christianity is free. Anyone can just waltz into a church and pray, bibles are handed out for free, etc.
Of course as always is the case (in religions, political ideology, philosophy, etc), one will find swarms of charlatans willing to take advantage of people with open wallets.
graph180 4 years ago 3
Oh yeah? And who pays the preacher? Who pays the electricity? Who paid for that building you waltzed into? Oh, yeah. You pass the plate. And many of you tithe. So what's free?
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
But its not required. Scientology forces its members to pay for their "services", often resorting to intimidation to achieve their ends.
graph180 3 years ago 3
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That is absolutely NOT TRUE. Sunday Service is free. They don't even pass the plate. The big library is free. Anyone can come and sit and read all day. Anyone taking a course CHOOSES to take a course. Nothing is FORCED on anybody. That's ridiculous.
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
"Ridiculous", you say? "Not True", you say? Then please explain to me (and I am being sincere in this), why once an individual enters the COS, they cannot leave without suffering degradation, threats, and false accusations? Tell me why the Freezone Scientologists have been denounced,viciously litigated against, and threatened by the COS? Please explain to me why so many have reported that their refusal to take a course was met with venom and contempt? I am not here to jeer, but to question.
graph180 3 years ago 2
I can answer that for you, if you're sincerely questioning. A logical explanation would fall on the deaf ears of most of these yahoos.
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
I'm all ears. Please, do tell.
graph180 3 years ago
A basic tenet of Scientology, is that you must be honest and decent. The handling is much like the Catholic church's confessions. You can spot someone in need of this handling by the way they find fault and blame others. Once they get it handled (admitting to the things that they have done) they're happier and go on about life. Notice the Freezone people; finding fault and blaming others. They say they use the tech, but, they don't even have an Ethics dpt. And YOU are listening to them.
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
Handling? You mean to tell me the act of saying "What are your crimes?" (many times in a rude and hyper-aggressive manner) and assuming that those who criticize the questionable acts of the organization are all malefactors is considered to be an act of love? How is this different from the dreaded "Fair Game" policy? The only complaint I have heard made by the Freezoners involves some rather brutal legal attacks instigated by the Scientology Organization. Please explain.
graph180 3 years ago
It's like I said. They are criticizing and finding fault. And they tend to make up stuff. An Ethics handling is not the act of saying "What are your crimes? etc. Where did you hear that? Some other trouble maker making up stuff?
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
Allright, then perhaps you can tell me exactly what an "ethics handling" is in your own words. As for where I've seen these examples of what you claim is NOT handling, I've seen it everywhere. Film, radio, and virtually every form of media and print available. Not to mention my own two eyes and ears.
graph180 3 years ago
It's really very simple. You just write up you O/W's (overts and withholds). That's things you've done to others that you wouldn't want done to you. It can be as simple as stealing your little brother's cookie. That's all it is. I'm sorry, the film, radio and print are not to be trusted. They often like to sensationalize to get people all worked up. And what did you observe with your own two eyes and ears?
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
I like to have open discussions with people from all walks of life. When there is an issue, I like to give others a chance to explain themselves. I have done this same thing with virtually religious groups ranging from the Catholic Church to The Church of Satan. We talked. I listened. We both learned. I have attempted the same with your brethren and I was met with suspicion and upon asking about any of the hot button issues (like the deaths or the RPF) my inquiries were met with threats.
graph180 3 years ago
This has been my history with your organization. I would open my arms and ask questions in the spirit of free, peaceful discourse and the only responses I received ranged from thinly veiled legal threats to actual attempts to injure me. What is so hard about sitting down and answering a few questions? To be honest YOU seem to be the only one who hasn't blown me off or threatened to gut me from crotch to gullet (to paraphrase Blackbeard).
graph180 3 years ago
Now as for your statement about media sources, there is an old saying: "When a jew calls you false, you may laugh. When a moor calls you false, you may laugh. When a christian calls you false, you may laugh. When all three call you false, you may be false". When so many sources, which are often in opposition all have the same agreement of information....well let's be honest, the time has come to answer some tough questions and make some long needed apologies.
graph180 3 years ago
I can understand that any given group has its bad apples. A few bad guys make everyone look like a criminal, after all. Yet when so many members of the same organization: Bullbait, intimidate, threaten, and attempt to harm peaceful demonstrators and it is caught on every conceivable form of recording instrument and NO ONE within the organization steps up and makes an official statement denouncing them....at that point the whole organization becomes suspect.
graph180 3 years ago
And Scientology is so much more than this. The group has a much greater mission that to field questions about false threats that came off the internet. If you wanted to find out about the church, come by and see a film and talk to someone.
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
And where did you approach these people and how? When the group is out on a mission like helping the Red Cross after a disaster or some other benevelant thing and they are attacked by someone wanting to bring these things up, and it is usually done with aggression and hatred, the only response is one in kind. A person who would attack our group has crimes of his own.
CommonSenseAddict 3 years ago
I would go to the Scientology centers in my area on a normal bussiness day, and ask if I can speak to someone in regards to my concerns about the group. After a considerable run around, (if I got anyone at all) I would ask them basic questions about their issues which concerned actions undertaken by their organization (again, much like I had done with other faiths in the past). Yet no matter how polite, non-threatening (and dare I say....charming?) I was, I was tossed out on my ear.
graph180 3 years ago
As for your suggestion that your critics are criminals (or as you say, "have crimes of their own"), can't you see the logical flaw in that? A person who is asking your organization to answer for what it may or may not have done is demonstrating a desire for justice and truth. Why does your organization shy away from confronting its critics at every opportunity by instead insists that all these concerned citizens are criminals and that they (the Organization) does not need to answer to anyone?
graph180