God gave us direct access to Him through Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit. His Spirit teaches us, convicts us, and transforms us. We must make sure that pastors that we "hook" up with are in line with His Word. There are a number of "prosperity pastors" that are leading people to a self-made image of God and not to the True God. 2 Timothy 4 talks about these false teachers that we must beware of. I don't have 30+ years of service either. I'm only 29 but that doesn't mean I don't know the truth.
I think that mhjones2001 need to be prayed for. Since I'm a christian I'm not into name calling so I will pray for your soul. How could you get anything else out of the message but Great preaching and teaching. May God please your soul because you need alot of healing. KEEP ON PREACHING AND TEACHING PASTOR JENKINS. WE LOVE YOUR MESSAGES. AND FOR mhjones LIKE HE SAID IF A PASTOR ISN'T REACHING YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE THATS FOR YOU. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Only onr problem with your approach Bosco: Time in grade doesn't make for effective, biblical preaching. His tired response (I've been ministering for 25 years) doesn't make claiming that Jesus suffered in hell for our sins because his death on the cross didn't do anything spiritual any less of a heresy. And that 25 years doesn't justify bringing in men who deny the Trinit and other essentials of the faith.
Yes there is a reason you can't hear the entire sermon. You haven't gone out to their site to listen or you haven't spent the money to buy the series.
Am I supposed to do all of your research for you? No wonder you're such a bunch of dunder-headed sheeple!
Well, Mr. mhjones2001. I would like to know who is the perfect pastor to you? Because in my mind, nobody is perfect and you aren't going to agree with every single thing anybody says but you seem to jump on so many preachers I'd like to know are there ANY preachers you do like?
Jay, it's not about being perfect. It's about preaching poison and keeping you under his thumb.
There's no such thing as a perfect steak. But I'm sure not going to pick one that is rotted. John's ministry is rotting. He preaches such things as Jesus suffering in hell for our sins. He associates with men who deny the truth of the Gospel. He doesn't have to be perfect. He simply has to not promote heresy. See if you can work out the difference between the two. But then you'd have to think.
@mhjones2001 Actually, Jesus did suffer hell for us. It says He spent 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. What's in the heart of the earth?
Didn't you go to school to be taught through teaching and books. Don't you make a living from what you where taught. We are being taught Spiritually and can reference it throught the writing of the bible, to study on your own. God is moving at FBCG
Didn't you go to school to learn and was taught by a teacher? You still have to study and show yourself aproved. We all have been taught through teachers and books. We use our teaching to make a living. We use Pastors teaching for Spiritual growth .
So which part of what he said is so wonderful? Was it the part where he tried to claim that Jerusalem had a mega church? Was it the part where he told you that you can't teach yourself and that you need him to interpret the Bible for you?
I dont believe he was saying that you cant learn on your own....listen and understand it in the context of what he is saying. The bible says how can they know with out a preacher? So preachers and teachers are needed in the body. So yes, we need people to teach us. Some things in life we cant learn on our own. Thats why the bible says submitt to authority and goverment.
He never said i need him, he said "honor our leaders". Please dont put words in his mouth, thats not fair.
God gives pastors vision! Thats bible, the bible says without vision they perish. When God calles a person to pastor he gives them a vision, why? So they can know in which direction they are to go as far as ministry. God have Moses a vision, and it was the promied land. And the people followed. Where they following moses persay, NO. They were following the God in Moses. Its the same way with a true man of God...we are to follow the God in them, not them!
Show me in the bible where it says that God gives pastors vision. Today's pastors (actually elders) are not moses. God spoke face to face with Moses. Are you saying God speaks face to face with John? If so, why does John need the Bible? And why does John think he needs to lie in order to promote his program.
By the way, John explicitly said: "You can't teach yourself!!" I don't believe any weak-kneed appeal to context is going to change the meaning of those words.
Good! At least you are responding. THe preacher reference is talking about the Gospel, not the growth of the Christian. As you said - context. Having people teach us is not the same as not being able to teach yourself. And submitting to authority does not mean you can't teach yourself. If this is your idea of a biblical response, I can see why you think this pimp is such a wonderful teacher. God forbid that you should actually teach anyone.
Not to change the subject but please let's refrain from name calling like: "pulpit pimp". I respect the fact you're disagreeing with Pastor Jenkins. But do it in a Christian and Godly way. Name calling is not needed.
U read too much and add too much to what people say. I never said that pastor J. is Moses or any other preacher is Moses, all I am saying is God does give leaders vision. Your right, the bible does not say word for word that God gives leaders vision. I said that from looking at the way God lead men of God in the bible. Forgive me. God always give instructions to those he choose to put in leading positions. So vision is need and comes from God.
I decided to agree to disagree. Sry that my bible references were off....not to prove anything 2 u are anyone else but i am a man of God, i teach and preach Gods word with out adding or taking anything from it.
Thanks for the talk and i pray that you will pray for me as i pray for you!
Interesting, you come here making a bunch of bold statements and telling me that I am wrong. Once take you to task, and show you from Scripture that you are wrong, you back out and say that you weren't trying to prove anything. It sure sounded that way to me.
If you do what you have been doing for the last several posts, I suggest you add a bunch of stuff to His word; and most of it wrong.
That you may learn the word of God, my brother. Melvin
When I first looked at your postI saw a prophetic message behind what I saw. Those dark shades signify that you are blinded by the ways of the enemy to sow discord and promote a message that is Biblically unstable and unsound. You are the exact person that needs the message that you are having trouble with. I pray that the scales will one fall from your eyes and that one day you will embrace the fullness of the word of God. Be Blessed!!
Pretty much. The minute people allowed Jenkins to get away with the statement (nearly nine years ago, they gave him the authority to tell them what to think and what to do.
Believe me, He will. Now as to whether or not He will forgive you for your slacker ways when it comes to His truth, well, that the color of another horse.
What is so bad about Pastor that you think he is pimpin the members. O what big security guards. Money. A nice new building. Start looking at it as how God is blessing the church. And not John Jenkins use in the church to get money. Bishop Jakes and John Jenkins are helping us get to were God wants us to be. But you don't see. Take the hater blockers of and wake up.
God gave us direct access to Him through Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit. His Spirit teaches us, convicts us, and transforms us. We must make sure that pastors that we "hook" up with are in line with His Word. There are a number of "prosperity pastors" that are leading people to a self-made image of God and not to the True God. 2 Timothy 4 talks about these false teachers that we must beware of. I don't have 30+ years of service either. I'm only 29 but that doesn't mean I don't know the truth.
ILoveJesus310 1 year ago
I think that mhjones2001 need to be prayed for. Since I'm a christian I'm not into name calling so I will pray for your soul. How could you get anything else out of the message but Great preaching and teaching. May God please your soul because you need alot of healing. KEEP ON PREACHING AND TEACHING PASTOR JENKINS. WE LOVE YOUR MESSAGES. AND FOR mhjones LIKE HE SAID IF A PASTOR ISN'T REACHING YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE THATS FOR YOU. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
chico8475 1 year ago
Might be a good idea to get 30+ Years of service under your belt before dogging A seasoned vet.
aquepello 2 years ago 2
Only onr problem with your approach Bosco: Time in grade doesn't make for effective, biblical preaching. His tired response (I've been ministering for 25 years) doesn't make claiming that Jesus suffered in hell for our sins because his death on the cross didn't do anything spiritual any less of a heresy. And that 25 years doesn't justify bringing in men who deny the Trinit and other essentials of the faith.
But he can sure make you feeeeeel good.
mhjones2001 2 years ago
By the way, I do have 30+ years of service. He, on the other hand, has 30+ years of lording and pimping.
mhjones2001 2 years ago
Is there a reason we can not hear the entire sermon to judge for ourselves????
thester88 2 years ago 3
Yes there is a reason you can't hear the entire sermon. You haven't gone out to their site to listen or you haven't spent the money to buy the series.
Am I supposed to do all of your research for you? No wonder you're such a bunch of dunder-headed sheeple!
mhjones2001 2 years ago
I agree with MinisterT...PREACH ON PASTOR JENKINS!!!
shellbee315 3 years ago 3
Well, Mr. mhjones2001. I would like to know who is the perfect pastor to you? Because in my mind, nobody is perfect and you aren't going to agree with every single thing anybody says but you seem to jump on so many preachers I'd like to know are there ANY preachers you do like?
jayr0422 3 years ago
Jay, it's not about being perfect. It's about preaching poison and keeping you under his thumb.
There's no such thing as a perfect steak. But I'm sure not going to pick one that is rotted. John's ministry is rotting. He preaches such things as Jesus suffering in hell for our sins. He associates with men who deny the truth of the Gospel. He doesn't have to be perfect. He simply has to not promote heresy. See if you can work out the difference between the two. But then you'd have to think.
mhjones2001 3 years ago
@mhjones2001 Actually, Jesus did suffer hell for us. It says He spent 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. What's in the heart of the earth?
thegdoat 1 year ago
Eric Redmond - HIllcrest Baptist Church
John MacArthur - California
J. Vernon McGee - The Bible Bus
Mike Coleman - Reformed Presbyterian Church of Bowie
And the list goes on.
John is a pimp who preaches to satisfy his desires, not feed the sheep.
mhjones2001 3 years ago
Melvin,
Didn't you go to school to be taught through teaching and books. Don't you make a living from what you where taught. We are being taught Spiritually and can reference it throught the writing of the bible, to study on your own. God is moving at FBCG
talldarkbald 3 years ago
Melvin,
Didn't you go to school to learn and was taught by a teacher? You still have to study and show yourself aproved. We all have been taught through teachers and books. We use our teaching to make a living. We use Pastors teaching for Spiritual growth .
talldarkbald 3 years ago
So which part of what he said is so wonderful? Was it the part where he tried to claim that Jerusalem had a mega church? Was it the part where he told you that you can't teach yourself and that you need him to interpret the Bible for you?
mhjones2001 4 years ago
I dont believe he was saying that you cant learn on your own....listen and understand it in the context of what he is saying. The bible says how can they know with out a preacher? So preachers and teachers are needed in the body. So yes, we need people to teach us. Some things in life we cant learn on our own. Thats why the bible says submitt to authority and goverment.
He never said i need him, he said "honor our leaders". Please dont put words in his mouth, thats not fair.
MinisterT89 4 years ago
God gives pastors vision! Thats bible, the bible says without vision they perish. When God calles a person to pastor he gives them a vision, why? So they can know in which direction they are to go as far as ministry. God have Moses a vision, and it was the promied land. And the people followed. Where they following moses persay, NO. They were following the God in Moses. Its the same way with a true man of God...we are to follow the God in them, not them!
MinisterT89 4 years ago
Show me in the bible where it says that God gives pastors vision. Today's pastors (actually elders) are not moses. God spoke face to face with Moses. Are you saying God speaks face to face with John? If so, why does John need the Bible? And why does John think he needs to lie in order to promote his program.
By the way, John explicitly said: "You can't teach yourself!!" I don't believe any weak-kneed appeal to context is going to change the meaning of those words.
mhjones2001 4 years ago
Good! At least you are responding. THe preacher reference is talking about the Gospel, not the growth of the Christian. As you said - context. Having people teach us is not the same as not being able to teach yourself. And submitting to authority does not mean you can't teach yourself. If this is your idea of a biblical response, I can see why you think this pimp is such a wonderful teacher. God forbid that you should actually teach anyone.
mhjones2001 4 years ago
Not to change the subject but please let's refrain from name calling like: "pulpit pimp". I respect the fact you're disagreeing with Pastor Jenkins. But do it in a Christian and Godly way. Name calling is not needed.
MinisterT89 4 years ago 3
You can refrain if you want. I prefer to follow the godly example of Paul, Peter, Jude, and a couple of others.
John is a pulpit pimp, taking advantage of sheeple like you and supporting men who promote some pretty serious heresies.
mhjones2001 4 years ago
U read too much and add too much to what people say. I never said that pastor J. is Moses or any other preacher is Moses, all I am saying is God does give leaders vision. Your right, the bible does not say word for word that God gives leaders vision. I said that from looking at the way God lead men of God in the bible. Forgive me. God always give instructions to those he choose to put in leading positions. So vision is need and comes from God.
MinisterT89 4 years ago
I decided to agree to disagree. Sry that my bible references were off....not to prove anything 2 u are anyone else but i am a man of God, i teach and preach Gods word with out adding or taking anything from it.
Thanks for the talk and i pray that you will pray for me as i pray for you!
Endless Blessing my brother
Minister T.
MinisterT89 4 years ago
Interesting, you come here making a bunch of bold statements and telling me that I am wrong. Once take you to task, and show you from Scripture that you are wrong, you back out and say that you weren't trying to prove anything. It sure sounded that way to me.
If you do what you have been doing for the last several posts, I suggest you add a bunch of stuff to His word; and most of it wrong.
That you may learn the word of God, my brother. Melvin
mhjones2001 4 years ago
When I first looked at your postI saw a prophetic message behind what I saw. Those dark shades signify that you are blinded by the ways of the enemy to sow discord and promote a message that is Biblically unstable and unsound. You are the exact person that needs the message that you are having trouble with. I pray that the scales will one fall from your eyes and that one day you will embrace the fullness of the word of God. Be Blessed!!
web20wizard 4 years ago
Summary: Throw Acts 17:11, 2 Timothy 2:15, John 5:39 and all the other passages which say STUDY!!! I'm sorrym but he is a real idiot
GreaterFaith1990 4 years ago 3
Pretty much. The minute people allowed Jenkins to get away with the statement (nearly nine years ago, they gave him the authority to tell them what to think and what to do.
Melvin
mhjones2001 4 years ago
I pray that God has mercy on your soul.
TyDunn20774 4 years ago
Believe me, He will. Now as to whether or not He will forgive you for your slacker ways when it comes to His truth, well, that the color of another horse.
mhjones2001 4 years ago
What is so bad about Pastor that you think he is pimpin the members. O what big security guards. Money. A nice new building. Start looking at it as how God is blessing the church. And not John Jenkins use in the church to get money. Bishop Jakes and John Jenkins are helping us get to were God wants us to be. But you don't see. Take the hater blockers of and wake up.
TyDunn20774 4 years ago
5 stars for showing how pimps convince members to assume they know everything.
IndependentConserv 4 years ago 4