Police shouldn't have to push their way through or step on people who are in their way in order to transport detained personnel, nor is it appropriate for them to doso as it may result in serious injury of officers or the students if things got physical. It is much more logical for police to use pepper spray than to slam through students who made it clear that they would not let the officers leave with their detained buddies. I see no problem here.
Great video... I've seen tons of others clearly edited to manipulate people's perception of the incident... just goes to show you how biased the liberal media can be.
Police did their job using appropriate force, pepper spray is not lethal and not even that bad. Why people think pepper spray is so dangerous is beyond me. I think that the parents are the ones at fault here because they clearly did not raise their children right, the children should have known not to break the law.
If the person who posted this, or anyone posting here thinks this is some sort of proof that the students were to blame for the pepper spay incident,they must have an incredibly warped view of human rights. I am 53 years old and a continent and an ocean away from UC Davis, but I am now even more heartened by the bravery of those students, and would be proud to stand beside them any day. These are courageous acts of entirely justified non violent protest and disobedience. Show them your respect.
@G58 I've fought and lost friends for the freedom that these kids are taking for granted. I've lived very close to UCD and know that they are "protesting" about the increased tuition. That does not give them the right to completely trash the school and surround officers trying to leave with persons they have in custody.....
@nvryder Liar. You've not fought for anything. What you may have done is serve your corporate government that claimed you were "defending the freedom of the united states of america" whilst killing women & kids & ACTUALLY "completely trash[ing] school"[s] & homes in Iraq. And then you come on here bleeding like a bitch because some of your buddies got killed in the process. Guess what? It serves them right for joining a corporate army. Start a war - people die. But there's a very big difference.
@nvryder You & your buddies had guns, body armour, armoured vehicles & air support. And you think you're fucking heros? These kids on university campuses are braver than you'll ever be. I'd be proud to stand beside them. But I can't for 3 reasons: I'm semi disabled due to injuries sustained in conflict, I'm in the UK, & if I was there, I'd ram the nozzle of that canister in the cowardly pig's face & clamp on hard. I'm incapable of the restraint those kids showed under illegal chemical attack.
@nvryder So no more of your bleeding heart bullshit. I've seen kids much younger than these at UCD that have been tortured to death - just to get their parents to give up information. We patrolled the bush with no body armour & no air support. I joined as a volunteer to DEFEND a country from a real threat. Sure I've lost comrades, but we all knew the risks. We buried them, had a beer & carried on. We didn't fetishize the process, we didn't lie, we didn't cry about it & we didn't blame others.
@G58 Aw...what happend old man? Did I hurt your feelings? Maybe there's a reason why you are "a continent away" and you don't deserve to live here? Perhaps these spoiled kids should move in with you and mooch of you for awhile. BTW - UK troops are in afghanistan too. Way to support your military as well. I'm pretty sure your disabled ass wouldn't be able to lift a finger let alone do anything to a police officer doing his job. I guess the UK military doesn't know anything about respect.
@nvryder Idiot. I don't support the UK's illegal involvement in Iraq either. Blair is as big a war criminal as Bush. And the action in Afghanistan is an absolute farce that has only succeeded in installing Karzai as the mayor of Kabul, protecting the poppy production & training more Taliban/al-Qaeda who's bases are in Pakistan where they are protected by ISI. I served in Rhodesia in the Rhodesian security forces, not British. And I can still handle myself.
WTF do these kids at UCD have in common with being tortured to death? I hate to break it you but pepper spray is non-leathal. It's not that bad. I've been sprayed with it and I didn't cry about it.
@nvryder Work it out. What grade did they use on you? Did they tell you? Pepper spray is chemical weapon banned under the Geneva Convention as a crowd control device in war. Now, digest that for a moment. Then tell me how a corporate pig working for a university on US soil, that has sworn to protect & serve, can lawfully deploy the strongest grade of PS against a non threat - kids sitting on the ground with their arms linked, exercising their Constitutional right to assembly & peaceful protest.
@G58 I didn't know that the Occupy Waste of Space'rs were at war so the Geneva Conventions DON"T APPLY!!!! dude, what conflict are you referring to? That's equivalent to enforcing US drug laws in the amsterdam district.....now sit down change your depends diapers and digest that for a moment.....
@nvryder Of all your immature comments this is the stupidest. Basically, what you're saying is that you acknowledge the Geneva Convention as it relates to war, but believe it's okay for a paramilitary force to be deployed against US citizens engaged in peaceful resistance. In other words, it's okay to use chemicals make war on the US civilian population. I lack compassion for cunts like you. I hope you transgress a minor regulation & feel the full force of this unlawful thing you like so much.
@G58 The "paramilitary force" was "deployed" to remove the tents on the quad after the students stayed there for 2 weeks! The encampment is illegal = breaking the law. They distroyed the Dutton Hall, numerous locks to secure facilities, demolished the common area furniture, and graffitied the campus. Does peaceful mean surrounding the police and demanding the release of those arrested? Now sit down, eat your baby food in your nursing home and try to comprehend that for a min....
@nvryder Having given up on claiming to be serving in US military actually deployed in theatre, you're now claiming expertise in the law and first hand knowledge of the incident. But all that aside, apart from the alleged damage to property [which was not the subject of the police action], what "law" were the student breaking? What actual laws did the police break? Which were the more serious?
@G58 If you must know, I hold a bachelor's degree in criminal justice (paid for the military), and I am currently completing my Masters degree in criminal justice (paid for the military as well). For some reason, I don't think that my military will just give scholarships to anyone....go figure. The law which the students were breaking was setting up an encampment on campus (not zoned for or able to support a camp ground). This would satisfy the probable cause requirement to make an arrest.
@nvryder Just read this again: "I hold a bachelor's degree in criminal justice (paid for the military), and I am currently completing my Masters degree in criminal justice (paid for the military as well)." More errors! What has happened to the word "by"? Make errors like that in legal procedure in defence and your client could get the gas chamber. And the same errors in prosecution could mean a child killer could get off.
@G58 wow...I didn't think this was a legal case here...too funny. Let me guess, you were the consultant for the show "Law and Order" too? I love your spelling of "defence". I thought that it was grammatically incorrect to start a sentence with the word "And". Actually, the "same errors in prosecution" would not mean a "child killer could get off" as I've seen a private defense (correct spelling of defense) attorney try to use that excuse for his client and it did not work....
2 the case presented by or on behalf of the party being accused or sued in a lawsuit.
There's a whole world outside your hick town, complete with differences - including spelling differences that do not constitute a legal conflict or fatal error, and defense/defence is one of them. For clarity, fuckwit, that is not the "correct spelling of defense". The literal and legal meanings are the same.
@G58 Ha ha..all riled up huh...this is too easy fuktard...lol. If I'm not mistaken the case in question resides in the United States' jurisdiction. So in this case "the bloody queen's english" wouldn't apply.....rofl
@G58 Had I been there as an officer, I would not make an arrest unless the protester provoked it. In this case, the decision to make an arrest lies for this is called "officer's descretion" and the decision to use non-leathal force was determined by the protesters. The fact of the matter is, the protesters were "non-compliant" which authorizes the officers to use "control holds" or "non-lethal" compliance tools. Pepper spray is a compliance tool and the officers employed it appropriately.....
@nvryder That's laughable. If you'd been there it would have been as a janitor. More lies. You need to stop this before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. "the decision to make an arrest lies for this is called "officer's descretion"" isn't even a coherent sentence, never mind an accurate legal statement. And that isn't how to spell DISCRETION. No way in hell are you qualifying to practice law. Errors like that are 1st basic college level at best. But if you want a real lesson in the law
@nvryder check the employment status of Lt John Pike. And find out why he's on administrative leave. Then come back with an actual LAW that the students have broken. Not a local ordnance that doesn't even qualify as a misdemeanor. "setting up an encampment on campus (not zoned for or able to support a camp ground)" is not a law. If you indeed are on some military assistance [which I seriously doubt] they do "give scholarships to anyone"!
Then check the requirements for use of "control holds"
@nvryder or "non-lethal compliance tools" - as you call them. Then check some real law, beginning with the definition of assault. US statutes define assault as: An attempt to cause or purposely, knowingly, or recklessly causing bodily injury to another; or, negligently causing bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon. Cops are not exempt from prosecution on either count. They need probable cause that must be defined and identified, such as a threat to them or others, or flight risk.
@nvryder It's only your prejudice and ignorance that's informing your statements here. The same prejudice that makes you stupid and the same ignorance makes you lie and make ludicrous fake legal comments that have no basis in real law whatsoever. I'm not even a US citizen but I can quote case law including Supreme Court decisions based on the 1st Amendment such as: YOUNG v. COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES & Hague v. Committee for Industrial Organization. But that's a bit over your head Lexus boy.
@G58 ha ha....I'm very happy with my Lexus as it is something I've paid for and "earned". Something that you and your Occupy Waste of Space losers would not know nothing about. What you fail to realize my old, crippled, lazy, self-entitled loser, is that I support everyone's first amendment rights. I just don't feel that using the 1st amendment as an excuse to break the law is a valid reason, and so do the majority of the persons watching this video (just in case you needed a reality check).
@nvryder You're right, I don't "not know nothing about" a lot of things, but I sure as shit know not to use double negatives! Isn't it embarrassing that someone in the UK knows more about US law than you do with: "a bachelor's degree in criminal justice (paid for the military), and ... currently completing [a] Masters degree in criminal justice (paid for the military as well)."?
Just name one law, read one Supreme Court judgement pertaining to this matter. At least try to be convincing.
@G58 The U.S. Supreme Court has said that "The Fourth Amendment jurisprudence has long recognized that the right to make an arrest or investigatory stop necessarily carries with it the right to use some degree of physical coercion or threat thereof to effect it." Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386, 396 (1989)....nuff said now roll your ass down the street with that..
@G58 negative - in order to make an arrest there needs to be probable cause. God you are an old idiot!!! Probable cause exists when the fact and circumstances known to the officer would warrant a prudent man in believing a crime has been committed and the accused has committed it...also, Cops are required to use a "use of force model" as they are instructed in the police academy. In ALL use of force models less than lethal force can be used for a non-compliant subject....
@nvryder Then name the actual crime the assaulted student human being could be charged with - the one they were actually committing at the time of the assault. Name the precise charge for the charge sheet. Do it now or shut the fuck up. Whatever, I can guarantee two things:
The charges would be dropped, or they would be released within 24 hrs without charge.
The student would immediately have grounds for a civil case for unlawful arrest and imprisonment and felony assault [minimum].
@G58 Penal Code Section 148 Resisting Delaying or Obstructing Officer, (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical technician in the discharge or attempt to discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
@G58 BTW - If the charges were dropped, that doesn't automatically mean that the student would immediately have grounds for a civil case for unlawful arrest and imprisonment. The state reserves the right to press charges according to the statue of limitations and the original charges filed......I have been in several court cases where the district attorney agreed to drop the charges as long the defendant agreed to not be arrested again and have the sentence suspended.
@G58 However, if the charges were dropped, the arrest still remains on their record. Meaning that when the turd applies for a good job and the employer does a background check, the turd with the criminal record will not get hired over the person that does not have a criminal record....we win....too easy... I like how you think you are an expert at law with the "guarantee"...about as funny as you falling off of a bike....
@nvryder How ironic. Now you finally find a law book, yet start referring to the students as "turds" in place of "entitled", yet you're the one on a fucking scholarship - paid for indirectly by the taxes paid by the students who have to take jobs to pay their own fees - the hiking [for profit] of which is the subject of their protest. Their 1st Amendment rights [which override abused 4th Amendment police powers], & should be every citizen's priority to uphold. You're a disgrace to your species.
@G58 actually, I have been in a situation like this before and no, I was not a janitior. Actually, I have more respect for the janitior than a "Rodesian Security Fuckup" as yourself...haha. I am glad that your nursing home lets retards like you use the computer. This is very entertaining....lol
@nvryder You can't even spell RHODESIAN. My work colleagues here reading this, are laughing their heads off at you & wondering why I'm bothering. For the sport! I owned your ass days ago Lexus boy, yet you're too fucking dumb to recognise it. Yep, we have that word without a Z ['zed' or a 'zee']. Now, go apply for a passport, they might let you have one. Fly over to London and I'll teach you some more about the real world. I'll be the one in the wheelchair with 3 sexy nurses! I'll lend you one:)
@G58 that really funny because my UK buddies that I'm stationed with are getting a kick on how much you think you are such of a badass....BTW, I already have a passport and you can keep your wheelchair. I don't think it would fit in my Lexus or both of my street motorcycles which I know you can't ride....lol.
@G58@G58 ohhh...big man patrolling the "bush" with no body armor. You know that body armor actually is pretty heavy right? Not including all the sappi plates in the front, back, on the sides and the arm protection which makes it harder to move and patrol this $hithole. Is it my fault that YOUR leadership decided to not give you air support? And yes, I volunteered to defend my country from a real threat as well. The same threat that put two planes in two towers.
@nvryder What a joke! You actually still believe there was a connection between Iraq & 9-11? No sane person believes that. More importantly, there isn't a shred of intelligence to support any al-Qaeda activity in Iraq whatsoever until AFTER the invasion of March 2003.
And when units are deployed in cross border raids such as we conducted against terrorist bases in Zambia & Mozambique between '76 & '79, only very limited air support is possible. Learn some history & some real facts.
@nvryder If you can survive a direct hit from a 7.62 short - wearing body armour, you are better protected than we were - period. And what do you call a 'patrol'? A few hours before chopper pick-up, resupply or RTB? How about 8 days long recon, unsupported behind enemy lines, after a truck drop-off, or low level para deployment. You talk about respect? You don't know the meaning of the word. Barking "Yessir" & "Semper Fidelis" is robotic bullshit - one reason for so many US vet suicides.
@G58 Where the F are you coming from again? The Rodesian Security Forces. Wow, everyone has heard of those guys right? If not mistaken aren't the Rodesian Security Forces are one of the most corrupt units (if you can call them a military unit) that ever existed....It's no wonder you are crippled....
@nvryder Lying fucker. Do some real research. If you were really in the US military you would have been told about the most successful counter insurgency units ever to go into action. I know for a fact that the lessons learned in Rhodesia form part of US military training. So, not knowing that means you just fucked your own lying fake ass. Check the history and kill ratio of the Selous Scouts. Then apologise for falsely assuming the identity of a US service personnel.
@G58 ohh no...more "I'm a badass remarks to prove I was once cool" by G58, again.....really, maybe you need to change your depends and look at the calendar and tell me what you see. Yup it's 2012 not '79 and no one cares about WTF you did as you were conducting "raids" and establishing your "kill ratio"......tell the nurse to change your depends diapers old man.....
@G58 back in '79 I was cool too!!!!! Yep all those tactics that you learned and they don't teach at the most modern SRT and MOUNT schools.......WTF? Really? You should just go your nursing home, find a straw and "suck it up" cuz no-one cares about WTF you did back in '79......
@nvryder Really? "cool" in '79? Even if that was true, you were never in any military unit. Nor do you have any military knowledge or expertise. But it isn't true. What you really are is a simple minded redneck student kid obsessed with UCD, but lacking the intellect to understand the issues involved.
@G58 of course I wasn't in any military unit...I didn't go to boot camp, I didn't to go a ground combat school, and I never deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. On that note, I never lead troops into combat, I never attended any special ops schools or SRT schools as well. Also, I don't understand that the "Rodesian Security Forces" made such an impact on the world that ALL military services around the MUST worship the ground that you walk on because you, my friend, obvisouly walk on water....
@nvryder That's right, you didn't. You're a student from Nevada that can't spell, prone to exaggeration and obsessed with what looks good on his car as he drives down the street.
@G58 Of course I exaggerating because you are a "Rodesian Security Forces" ex military, who knows it all based on your expertise in patrolling the "bush" back in '79 and you walk on water, who talks so much $hit here because he feels so sorry for these spoiled rotten studens across the "pond"..I don't have to prove anything to you and don't have to whip out my dick to prove how much of "tough guy" that I am, like you do. In my training and experience people like you should just swallow a bullet
@G58 sorry none of that going on here.....actually, we've built schools, hospitals and even helped the civilians who got hurt by the IEDs placed by the taliban. That's when I'm not on dismounted/mounted patrol on my off time...dude, you are a complete dumbass. Maybe you should take your medication and tell your "old war story" lies to someone else. It's hard to believe that the UK military would even accept someone like you as the UK guys I'm working with would never dream of acting like you
@nvryder Learn to read before issuing unsubstantiated insults. As I said, I never served in the UK military & wouldn't. If you genuinely are building schools etc, good for you. But please don't pretend your gov sent you there to build schools. Bush's declared mission was a "crusade" against the "evil doers". The simplistic fuck had even less sense of history than you, & deliberately fueled muslim anti US/Western sentiment - because it was good for US arms business. FFS, look at the big picture.
@G58 Of course there's the COIN mission which is something you obviously don't know nothing about. oohhh I'm bad and "did" all these cool things with the Rodesian Security Forces back in '76. Wow, everyone still talking about all your accomplishments now right? No I don't think so!!! Did they even have helicopters back then or did they use slingshots and spears? Really?..almost as cool as killing bin laden right? Go ahead and stroke your ego and keep telling yourself that you are badass
@nvryder Fucking ignoramus. We had US Nam vets [so-called 'specialists'] come over to join the Rhodesian Security Forces, and it was very interesting to see them work. Not only did they need more than twice as much support, and were incapable of sustaining long patrols at all, they also had terrible unit security and drill. They frequently left spoor all over the place - giving away their positions. Eventually no-one would work with them, and they had to be retrained.
@G58 ok...here we go again with G58 proving he's a tough guy once more....I give up because your "Rodesian Security Forces" are the shiznet, ok. Complete "tough guys" that can eat lead and crap out bullets. Everyone knows Rodesian Security Forces make the SEALs, DELTA and other SOF units look like panzies. Do you feel better now? I know now that all of those war movies are really about the "Rodesian Security Forces" units and we can credit them with killing bin laden too...
@nvryder You can't even read can you? Modern Effective Counter insurgency ops were invented in Malaya in the 1950s. C Squadron SAS was formed in Malaya in 1950 - from Rhodesian soldiers who later went on to form the Rhodesian SAS & Selous Scouts. Modern Effective Counter insurgency ops do not depend upon or succeed because of might & large numbers. They rely upon the intelligent deployment of small numbers of specialists employing superior tactics. But the US only seems capable of learning a...
@nvryder very small part of that lesson. The so-called 'specialist' US Nam vets we had in Rhodesia were lacking in intelligence & effective tactical training. They had absolutely NO understanding of effective strategic ops or deployment. They thought: "Go out, look for the gooks, find them, kill them" was a military strategy! In Iraq & Afghanistan they still do. That's why so many US troops keep dying. It's just too easy for the smarter & braver Afghan resistance units to ambush invading troops.
they have unlawfully arrested the police who have LAWFULLY arrested the protestors the protestors not allowing the police to leave is taking away their freedoms w/ makes the police under arrest & can even be construed as kidnapping because they are also threatening them guess what all protestors there should have been pepper sprayed & even given some beatings especially the ones who said fuck the cops and before you morons assume no im not a cop & i dont support the bad ones but most are good
The students provoked the entire thing, starting with the fact that once the police showed up they were not protesting anything other then the police being there! They were lucky that's all they got, total lack of any sort of respect and just acting like defiant little children!
If it is policy that they can't camp on the quad then that's their fault for breaking the campus policy. Everyone of those idiots should have been kicked out of the school they agrees to follow the rules when they agrees to go to the school. The police showed amazing restraint and should be commended for having to make a hard decision given the hard circumstances.
the only way to bring about change is through protests. Nobody listens if they just stand around quietly. Never heard of the protests under Dr. Martin Luther King Jr? Things sometimes have to get ugly before people will listen. Go ahead and try to dispute this... in the end you know im right.
@zestydude87 Just one problem with what your saying there, Dr. King and his protesters were PEACEFUL and DID NOT TWIST WORDS AND BREAK LAWS OR ORDINANCES! I believe in the right of freedom of speech and the right to assemble, always will, but these people are in no way as courages as the civil rights protesters of the 60's. Another problem is they have already threatened violence, remember the OWS guy in NYC that said "We're gonna throw a maltoff cocktail in Macy's". Get over yourself please
@cfaulc Of course they broke laws, Dr. King plainly says they broke laws in "Letters from Birmingham Jail"; he said that he had greater respect for the law when he would break the laws he thought were unjust, which the students do here. He also accepted the consequences for his actions. For the most part, these are peaceful as well, with obvious exceptions, but most of what i've seen has been the result of police violence, as seen in Berkeley and Oakland.
@forttrres Berkeley was NOT police violence. They were given every opportunity to disperse and instead of doing so encircled the police to try and force a release of their ignorant buddies. So, in other words, they got what they deserved. These people are in no way hero's, nor have they seen violence like the 60's protestor's, not even in the same stratosphere.
@cfaulc You think the exact same thing happened at Berkeley? No, they did not in fact circle the police. They were peacefully protesting when the police came, like other Occupy protests. I acknowledge the fault the Davis protestors did; they should not have encircled the police and should not have made such irrational demands, but the Berkeley protests were not the same.
If they're not heros, that's your own opinion. I personally think the cause is just and noble; don't let a few people ruin it
@zestydude87 Hey I understand, there is a long history of peaceful protesters passively breaking laws with the intent of being arrested to bring attention to an issue. But the protesters should not fault the police for doing their job. They arrested some and were leaving when they were prevented by the students. At that point, the students were protesting against being arrested.
They won't achieve anything that way. The police were faultless here.
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I Think this was the right thing to do. To be completely honest, I think they could have been harsher. They were being disrespectful to the constitution they claim to love. These protests are unamerican. They want to be part of a movement, I feel like they chose the wrong movement. Sure, protest something, but not the cops trying to do their job. You can protest you "99%" but there are ways to do it without being dickwads to the police.
I can't feel bad for them, they were acting like complete punks, trying to manipulate and antagonize the police. Afterwards they lie about it, changing their story, pretending to be the victims. They're tough when they want to be, but then act like powerless children when they cross the law. These kids don't even own this property, they have no power here. They should have just left when asked politely instead of trying to be tough guys. In my opinion they deserved a lot worse than pepper spray
Are you being serious right now? You're saying the point of a protest is to cause disruption. That is called "rioting." The "point" of this particular protest at UC Davis was for tuition hikes and wanting to have a "say" in university-governing. The point of the protest was not to break some small university code and think that would create dissent and get their message across. Talk about diluting messages. The only thing they disrupted was their own protest and the purpose behind it.
I was kind of hoping they would open up with the paintball markers. You know they weren't loaded with paintballs, but probably pepper balls. Awesome. Those people got off easy for obstruction of the law.
The original arrestee's charges of obstruction of justice was so small, and given that these were campus police and the arrestees were students, it was very likely that they'd be given warnings then be released after they are transported to the police station. This whole event was aggravated by dumb students who thought their first amendment right included the right to obstruct official police work or to tell the police what to do.
All the sympathizers for these so called protesters are truly delusional. Your arguments are just plain dumb and illogical. Your comparasons to real revolutionist/activists are offending. There is a reason why there are more likes than dislikes. It's just all around shameful and you just look uneducated and ignorant. It's people like you that form cults and live in compounds in the outskirts of normal society. Have fun with that.
Dear Dudes carrying the open Mac & filming/livestreaming ----you are one of the two guys hanging around nervously, filming that day and the day before.I see your friend here--still nervously looking to you. I even asked you if you were there in solidarity, bc you seemed so awkward, and appeared to be cops. it's worse though, you're just total dweebs. it was clear you were only there with the intent to discredit protesters from the start and sling shit. so...young fbi? cops? what loosers!
These students broke a law, which is "wrongful inprisonment ". They are LUCKY that got sprayed with diluted pepperspray, and not arrested. I am 18, and i am seriously fearful that people like this will be running the country when with me.
Just because the pigs say they are going to break the law and violate people's rights, it doesn't make it the protestors' fault for standing up for their rights. The pigs are a bunch of babies! They're all dressed up in paramilitary outfits with guns and huge cans of pepper spray they don't even know how to use legally. They could easily just step through the students. But pigs like to hurt people, so they mete out a little pre-trial punishment because they get off on it. Oink, oink.
they tried everything in their power to not hurt them, did u not watch the whole video? they repeated and repeated and pleaded and pleaded with the crowd, the protesters intentionally antagonized the police and forced that outcome to get morons like you to back them, i agree with the cause not the means
@Cortexsaga Yeah, that's called non-violent protesting. That's what you do. It wouldn't be a protest if anyone could come along and ask you nicely to stop and then just pack up and go home. The police still aren't allowed doing that until the protesters get violent, which is why they knock them around and pepperspray them in the first place, they just have no way of handling peaceful protesters so they have to try and get them to react.
They could have warned them to leave a million times in a row, it doesn't justify their actions. You can tell a girl you're going to rape her 100 times before doing so, it doesn't make the rape legal does it? Of course not. Those students have the right to non-violent protest, this is exactly what non-violent protesting is. You're not supposed to do everything the police say, you stand your ground non-violently and take whatever unjustified shit they throw at you.
@OfficeHopscotch - guess you didn't actually watch it. too bad. the difference: rape is illegal. the police have certain responsibilities. in the course of completing those they take certain actions. the legality of those actions can be determined later thru legal process. but if we let individuals make their own decisions about which laws they will follow or not, and whether they will obey lawful orders from police we would have chaos.
@BobTheRecordGuy The difference is that the rape of a person affects one person, the rape of human rights is affecting over 500 million people in the US alone. There were no laws broken in this video. The protesters did not forcibly stop the police from removing the tents. Sitting in the circle is not against the law, that's non-violent protesting. They were free to step over, and were not being stopped. It was a message, not a threat. The police only do this kind of things to get a reaction.
@BobTheRecordGuy And the only reason they try to get a reaction is because they know there's nothing they can legally do about any of it while they're being non-violent. Even saying fuck the police isn't a crime, that's just being disrespectful, you can't pepperspray some one for that, as pepper spray is used as a non lethal alternative to when an officer would normally use their fire arm. Pepper spray use is banned in war, why would it be legal to spray non-violent protesters?
@Cortexsaga Nobody was unlawfully detaining the police. The police are the ones unlawfully detaining protesters, which is why they sat in the circle around them in the first place. Sitting in a circle around police is not a crime or offence in any way. There is no law saying that police officers have authority to tell anyone to do anything whenever they please, the only time they get to do that is when the protesters turn violent and start breaking laws, which they didn't do.
@OfficeHopscotch Uh, they surrounded the police and DEMANDED the police to release people they arrested for trying to stop them from taking down UNLAWFUL TENTS on PRIVATE PROPERTY. The students straight-up told the police they would NOT let them leave unless the arrestees were released. That is called obstruction of justice, NOT peaceful protest. And by the way, campus is NOT public property, and you do NOT have the right to protest on private property without permission.
@OfficeHopscotch Next time i'm going to occupy your house. And guess what, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. See what i did there? Your logic is the same.
@OfficeHopscotch And by the way, the protests DID BREAK LAWS when they erected the tents and subsequently refused to take down the tent and even actively trying to prevent the police from taking down the unlawful tents. I mean, the police only cited to both CAMPUS CODES ANDDDDD PENAL CODES during their warning. I would say the students broke laws.
@HuSkOgS And where in this video did it show the students falcon punching the police in the face to prevent them from doing anything? No where? Well shit. Know what I'm legally allowed to do? Yell FUCK THE POLICEEEE at a group of police and sit around in a circle telling them to let people go. There was never a finger laid on the police here, there was no law broken. Setting up tents does't warrant pepper spray. Keep grasping on those straws though.
@OfficeHopscotch I lol'd. So you're saying, if I gather a few of my friends, meet you up on a campus ground, and form a circle around you linking arms, there is NOTHING you can do to get us to move because we did not lay a finger on you? What a joke. And as I already said, they didn't get sprayed for protesting OR erecting tents. They got sprayed for DEMANDING the release of ARRESTEES lawfully arrested and THREATENING to not let the officers leave the premise unless they comply. Try harder.
@HuSkOgS Show me in the time line where the students were trapping them in the circle and forcing them to stay inside. Unless the officer sprayed them in the back of the head, he had to step over the students, which he did very easily, to spray them. Demanding things is what the protest is, it's not illegal, in fact, it's your first amendment right, something the ignorant masses of America seem to not give a fuck about and would rather have them taken away. But please, keep grasping.
@OfficeHopscotch5:10 is where the students began demanding the police to set the arrestees free. Following by a march toward where the arrestees are held and formed a circle around the police 6:10 (where you see students surrounding police, then police forming a circle around the arrestees sitting on the ground). At 7:10, the students shouted "if you let them go, we will let you leave" while surrounding the police. Need I say more?
@HuSkOgS I'd say yes, but you seem to be going off about the wrong things. What you pointed out was students non-violently protesting. You don't seem to know what non-violent protesting is, and seeing as you're so willfully ignorant, nobody can really tell you otherwise, you'll just go on believing that your Country is MURIKKA STRONG BALD EAGLES FREEDOM FRIES GREATEST COUNTRY DERP DERP. But that's your problem. Sitting in front of cops does not warrant pepper spray, im sorry you think otherwise.
@OfficeHopscotch I lol'd. You're so keenly focused on one aspect of the video, which was "student sitting in front of the police." You so conveniently ignore why the police was there the first place, why the students surrounded the police, and why the police felt that pepper-spraying was the appropriate response at that time given NOTHING ELSE worked. But hey, all is well as long as the ~15 students are sitting right? Please ignore the ~300 students surrounding the police. It's sad, really.
@HuSkOgS That's because what happens with other students doesn't matter. If I went to the same mall you were in, raped 50 people and shot and killed another 100, should you be the one punished for what I did? You were in the same mall after all, so it must be all your fault, right? You're a horrible murderous rapist too, right? Well I'm sure you'd love to go to jail considering how much you enjoy that red white and blue dick up your ass.
@OfficeHopscotch Lol. Sure it does matter. And your analogy is flawed. Let me fix it for you. If we were part of a group of murderous rapist that went to the same mall, but you were the only one that did the raping and murdering and I (even though I was part of the your group) didn't do anything, should I go to jail too? The answer is yes. It is called aiding and abetting, and an abettor is punishable of the same crime as the actual perpetrator. Other students = protesters. Try again.
@HuSkOgS Well shit, better just start beating down every protester in the world for being a protester and aiding and abetting to the crime of putting up a tent. It's very clear you have no idea what non violent protesting is, and don't know two shits about any protest in history. I knew murrikan schools were biased bullshit, but I figured they'd have at least gone over some bit of real American history.
@OfficeHopscotch Except the police didn't beat down every protester. They didn't e arrest all the people in line for obstruction even though they could. I have no problem with peaceful protesting and the right to assembly. But their right is not unqualified, especially when it took place on private property. The university reserves the right to vacate the quad. Notice other OWS movements took place on streets, public parks, or had city permits? Protest correctly and you won't be sprayed.
@OfficeHopscotch Also notice all other speeches or other assembly/protests that took place on that very quad was not interrupted or broken up by the campus police? Police only intervened when the tents were illegally erected, and the students made it into an issue of "FREEDOM OF SPEECH." The exact same thing happened in NY when the mayor decided to no longer let people camp in certain areas of the park. Freedom of speech is not the right to do whatever you want.
@HuSkOgS It's not about freedom of speech, if the protest was just some people following every single little bi-law and doing everything they're told to do whenever they were told to do something, it wouldn't be a protest. The whole point of it is to be getting in the way and causing disruptions in the flow of things. That's why it gets noticed and actually does something. There's no point taking something seriously when you can just tell them to shoo and have them stop.
@OfficeHopscotch The police didn't tell them to shoo and stop protesting for tuition hikes. They told them to remove their tents and subsequently, to clear the area so they can transport arrestees back to the police station. It has NOTHING to do with the message of their protest, and it has only turned what is peaceful into something violent. The ONLY thing that people see in these UC protests now are "police brutality" and "pepper spray/baton." NOTHING about tuition and democratic process.
@OfficeHopscotch you keep saying NON-VIOLENT, NON-VIOLENT, NON-VIOLENT. Hey, let me get a bunch of my friends and go to your house to "occupy" it. I won't touch you, I won't even damage any of your property. But I will set up tents in your backyard and live there while I occupy your home. It's non-violent protesting of people who are homeowners. It's my first amendment right, right? Because the fact that your house (or the campus) is private property DOES NOT MATTER to you, or your logic.
@HuSkOgS Okay, come do so, and when any one of those people do or say anything I feel in inappropriate, I'm going to take it out on you and you alone. But unlike the police, I do not have pepper spray, so I'm just going to have to shoot you, since I don't have a non lethal way of dealing with you in that situation. You're too focused on what other students did, the could throw a grenade and kill 10 cops, that's their problem, not the ones sitting being sprayed who did nothing but sit there.
@OfficeHopscotch I think you're confusing the freedom of speech with the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want, wherever you want, whenever you want, and however you want. First amendment is not unqualified. It is subjected to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions such as this. This whole incident started with the students camping overnight on campus ground in violation of California penal code and UC David campus code. They broke the law. The police were sent to remove tents.
@HuSkOgS They arrested students who were actively preventing them from taking down the illegally erected tents for OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE (which is also a violation of the law). What the students did is equivalent to people laying siege to a prison and demanding the release of all prisoners. Due process was not denied because the police had probable cause to arrest them for obstruction of justice. If they want to be released, follow the procedures of the justice system, not surround the polic
@nvryder Yep, there's no law saying you have to bend over backwards to please and officer at any given time. That's called non-violent protesting. They're not breaking any laws, but making things inconvenient for them and disrupting the work flow. They did it perfectly, and things turned out great and they got the exposure that they wanted.
@OfficeHopscotch I guess the law that camping out on the quad or campus doesn't mean anything to you then....I guess we don't have to follow rules and regulations because that doesn't matter then right????
@nvryder Figure this one out, you have a first amendment right to assemble, and there's a crime bill stating that you are a terrorist now in the united states if you assemble. Do you honestly think that's not fucked? Especially knowing that the police can shoot you down in cold blood without reason or detain you indefinitely for being a terrorist. Even the vast majority of the universities are against what the police did, and say they want the students to be able to assemble.
@OfficeHopscotch Yes, there is a right to assemble and I strongly believe in the that right. But that doesn't mean you can completely trash the university in the process. Where do you get that the police can "shoot you down in cold blood with no reason"? And yes, I do feel that it's ok to detain a person indefinately for being a terrorist. If I certainly feel that the relatives of those killed in the 9-11 attacks would have rather had those terrorist detained indefinately....
@nvryder They didn't "trash" the university. The new crime bills that just went through. And you really shouldn't think that way, it's not "for being a terrorist", under the Patriot Act, all the police have to do to throw you in jail forever is "think" you're a suspected terrorist. AKA, claim you're a witch and toss you off the cliff. And those terrorists of 9/11 are not in jail, the people in jail are good people who stood up against the tyrannical dictators that are in the government.
@OfficeHopscotch So, distroying the quad vegitation enough so that the grass needed to be reseeded and plants replanted, distroying the locks to doors into secured areas, leaving graffitti around the campus, stinking up the common area sofas so much from their stench that all needed to be replaced, the carpets in Dutton Hall needed to be cleaned due to the occupiers sleeping in them, and the staff had to pick up all of the sleeping bags and trash left behind..that is not "trashing" the college?
@nvryder I just figured since you don't actually know anything about what you were talking about legality and history wise, I'd give you a little straw to grasp on to get yourself out of the original topic. And the majority of that stuff is just average university wear and tear from the fact thousands of people come and go all of the time, since it's you know, a fucking school.
@OfficeHopscotch Ya know what you are right....students always try to break into locked doors, soil the carpets enough that they have to be washed immediately after they left, and lets not forget that the furniture that needed to be replaced after they left too, and the replanting of the vegitiation they distroyed because hey it's a college campus and the OWS guys had nothing to do with it right? And you are correct it's fuking school NOT a campground....
@nvryder Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were personally there and over saw all of these OWS guys coming in and destroying the school and then leaving. You don't even have your protests correct. What do you think they should have done? Sat on the sidewalk and asked politely for people to stop caring about making millions of dollars and to care about others, and just say okay and go home when they're told to fuck off? That's not how the world works.
@OfficeHopscotch Nope, I wasn't there. However, I did know that OWSers did leave more of a mess than "normal wear and tear" by the reports that were filed and the complaints about the OWSers by the students that were there. The problem was that 2 weeks of camping out on the quad, sleeping on the ground in the hallways, and sleeping on the common area's furniture without adequate hygine facilities would result in a degradation of the campus....
They were too fat and too power hungry not to just step over these Children but brutalized them in a public park. They engaged, asserted and left! The disobeyed OUR Bill of Rights! You people should look up Psychopathy. wiki
@0110010110010 no police have rules that state they cant "just step over" these ADULTS (once u turn 18 ur no longer a child in the eyes of the law) if u looked at the video you'll see that the "protesters" non-violently blocked the cops from leaving thus surrounding them. the the mase comes in after they warn them that they r gonna use it.
You cant shit on the police for doing there job, Countless warnings given, they even tried talking to them to get them to clear out but these people ignored and continued taunting the police. It certainly was justified. With the first video being shown of a police officer pepper spraying students for protesting this is just another prime example of how much the media is worth. Complete shit, its not about what really happend, its all about ratings.
Open a history book, they did the same in the 60's only with fire hoses... protesters didn't care then either. And it was a symbol then of what was wrong with America, just like this is a symbol of what's wrong with it now. That's the whole point of protesting, police don't matter.
Good job police
TheASEmaster 1 week ago
Police shouldn't have to push their way through or step on people who are in their way in order to transport detained personnel, nor is it appropriate for them to doso as it may result in serious injury of officers or the students if things got physical. It is much more logical for police to use pepper spray than to slam through students who made it clear that they would not let the officers leave with their detained buddies. I see no problem here.
divine0enigma 3 weeks ago
Great video... I've seen tons of others clearly edited to manipulate people's perception of the incident... just goes to show you how biased the liberal media can be.
divine0enigma 3 weeks ago
The minority who were hostile do not define the majority who were peaceful.
everywherecity 1 month ago
Nice try, Officer. LOLOLOLOLOLOLO
phlowbo 2 months ago
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CFsoldier95 2 months ago
Police did their job using appropriate force, pepper spray is not lethal and not even that bad. Why people think pepper spray is so dangerous is beyond me. I think that the parents are the ones at fault here because they clearly did not raise their children right, the children should have known not to break the law.
skullwalker2000 2 months ago
As Martin Luther King Jr. said, it is a citizens duty to disobey unjust laws. Acting annoying to police is no grounds for violence in return.
sethbest 2 months ago
@sethbest What's "unjust" about these laws?
thesmashfloydian 2 months ago
This is nothing more than propaganda brought to you by a tool of the corporate cartels. Lame.
novenator 2 months ago
@novenator lol. paranoid much?
hollybee43 2 months ago
@novenator Hahahaha, its a VIDEO. FACT. REALITY. It happened.
SOCOM018 2 months ago
I don't give a shit, that is wrong.
claysax199118 2 months ago
If the person who posted this, or anyone posting here thinks this is some sort of proof that the students were to blame for the pepper spay incident,they must have an incredibly warped view of human rights. I am 53 years old and a continent and an ocean away from UC Davis, but I am now even more heartened by the bravery of those students, and would be proud to stand beside them any day. These are courageous acts of entirely justified non violent protest and disobedience. Show them your respect.
G58 2 months ago
@G58 I've fought and lost friends for the freedom that these kids are taking for granted. I've lived very close to UCD and know that they are "protesting" about the increased tuition. That does not give them the right to completely trash the school and surround officers trying to leave with persons they have in custody.....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Liar. You've not fought for anything. What you may have done is serve your corporate government that claimed you were "defending the freedom of the united states of america" whilst killing women & kids & ACTUALLY "completely trash[ing] school"[s] & homes in Iraq. And then you come on here bleeding like a bitch because some of your buddies got killed in the process. Guess what? It serves them right for joining a corporate army. Start a war - people die. But there's a very big difference.
G58 1 week ago
@nvryder You & your buddies had guns, body armour, armoured vehicles & air support. And you think you're fucking heros? These kids on university campuses are braver than you'll ever be. I'd be proud to stand beside them. But I can't for 3 reasons: I'm semi disabled due to injuries sustained in conflict, I'm in the UK, & if I was there, I'd ram the nozzle of that canister in the cowardly pig's face & clamp on hard. I'm incapable of the restraint those kids showed under illegal chemical attack.
G58 1 week ago
@nvryder So no more of your bleeding heart bullshit. I've seen kids much younger than these at UCD that have been tortured to death - just to get their parents to give up information. We patrolled the bush with no body armour & no air support. I joined as a volunteer to DEFEND a country from a real threat. Sure I've lost comrades, but we all knew the risks. We buried them, had a beer & carried on. We didn't fetishize the process, we didn't lie, we didn't cry about it & we didn't blame others.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 Aw...what happend old man? Did I hurt your feelings? Maybe there's a reason why you are "a continent away" and you don't deserve to live here? Perhaps these spoiled kids should move in with you and mooch of you for awhile. BTW - UK troops are in afghanistan too. Way to support your military as well. I'm pretty sure your disabled ass wouldn't be able to lift a finger let alone do anything to a police officer doing his job. I guess the UK military doesn't know anything about respect.
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Idiot. I don't support the UK's illegal involvement in Iraq either. Blair is as big a war criminal as Bush. And the action in Afghanistan is an absolute farce that has only succeeded in installing Karzai as the mayor of Kabul, protecting the poppy production & training more Taliban/al-Qaeda who's bases are in Pakistan where they are protected by ISI. I served in Rhodesia in the Rhodesian security forces, not British. And I can still handle myself.
G58 1 week ago
WTF do these kids at UCD have in common with being tortured to death? I hate to break it you but pepper spray is non-leathal. It's not that bad. I've been sprayed with it and I didn't cry about it.
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Work it out. What grade did they use on you? Did they tell you? Pepper spray is chemical weapon banned under the Geneva Convention as a crowd control device in war. Now, digest that for a moment. Then tell me how a corporate pig working for a university on US soil, that has sworn to protect & serve, can lawfully deploy the strongest grade of PS against a non threat - kids sitting on the ground with their arms linked, exercising their Constitutional right to assembly & peaceful protest.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 I didn't know that the Occupy Waste of Space'rs were at war so the Geneva Conventions DON"T APPLY!!!! dude, what conflict are you referring to? That's equivalent to enforcing US drug laws in the amsterdam district.....now sit down change your depends diapers and digest that for a moment.....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Of all your immature comments this is the stupidest. Basically, what you're saying is that you acknowledge the Geneva Convention as it relates to war, but believe it's okay for a paramilitary force to be deployed against US citizens engaged in peaceful resistance. In other words, it's okay to use chemicals make war on the US civilian population. I lack compassion for cunts like you. I hope you transgress a minor regulation & feel the full force of this unlawful thing you like so much.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 The "paramilitary force" was "deployed" to remove the tents on the quad after the students stayed there for 2 weeks! The encampment is illegal = breaking the law. They distroyed the Dutton Hall, numerous locks to secure facilities, demolished the common area furniture, and graffitied the campus. Does peaceful mean surrounding the police and demanding the release of those arrested? Now sit down, eat your baby food in your nursing home and try to comprehend that for a min....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Having given up on claiming to be serving in US military actually deployed in theatre, you're now claiming expertise in the law and first hand knowledge of the incident. But all that aside, apart from the alleged damage to property [which was not the subject of the police action], what "law" were the student breaking? What actual laws did the police break? Which were the more serious?
G58 1 week ago
@G58 If you must know, I hold a bachelor's degree in criminal justice (paid for the military), and I am currently completing my Masters degree in criminal justice (paid for the military as well). For some reason, I don't think that my military will just give scholarships to anyone....go figure. The law which the students were breaking was setting up an encampment on campus (not zoned for or able to support a camp ground). This would satisfy the probable cause requirement to make an arrest.
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Just read this again: "I hold a bachelor's degree in criminal justice (paid for the military), and I am currently completing my Masters degree in criminal justice (paid for the military as well)." More errors! What has happened to the word "by"? Make errors like that in legal procedure in defence and your client could get the gas chamber. And the same errors in prosecution could mean a child killer could get off.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 wow...I didn't think this was a legal case here...too funny. Let me guess, you were the consultant for the show "Law and Order" too? I love your spelling of "defence". I thought that it was grammatically incorrect to start a sentence with the word "And". Actually, the "same errors in prosecution" would not mean a "child killer could get off" as I've seen a private defense (correct spelling of defense) attorney try to use that excuse for his client and it did not work....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Regular ignorant, illiterate clown act aren't you?
defense |dɪˈfɛns| ( Brit. defence)
noun
2 the case presented by or on behalf of the party being accused or sued in a lawsuit.
There's a whole world outside your hick town, complete with differences - including spelling differences that do not constitute a legal conflict or fatal error, and defense/defence is one of them. For clarity, fuckwit, that is not the "correct spelling of defense". The literal and legal meanings are the same.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 Ha ha..all riled up huh...this is too easy fuktard...lol. If I'm not mistaken the case in question resides in the United States' jurisdiction. So in this case "the bloody queen's english" wouldn't apply.....rofl
nvryder 1 week ago
@G58 Had I been there as an officer, I would not make an arrest unless the protester provoked it. In this case, the decision to make an arrest lies for this is called "officer's descretion" and the decision to use non-leathal force was determined by the protesters. The fact of the matter is, the protesters were "non-compliant" which authorizes the officers to use "control holds" or "non-lethal" compliance tools. Pepper spray is a compliance tool and the officers employed it appropriately.....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder That's laughable. If you'd been there it would have been as a janitor. More lies. You need to stop this before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. "the decision to make an arrest lies for this is called "officer's descretion"" isn't even a coherent sentence, never mind an accurate legal statement. And that isn't how to spell DISCRETION. No way in hell are you qualifying to practice law. Errors like that are 1st basic college level at best. But if you want a real lesson in the law
G58 1 week ago
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@nvryder check the employment status of Lt John Pike. And find out why he's on administrative leave. Then come back with an actual LAW that the students have broken. Not a local ordnance that doesn't even qualify as a misdemeanor. "setting up an encampment on campus (not zoned for or able to support a camp ground)" is not a law. If you indeed are on some military assistance [which I seriously doubt] they do "give scholarships to anyone"!
Then check the requirements for use of "control holds"
G58 1 week ago
@nvryder or "non-lethal compliance tools" - as you call them. Then check some real law, beginning with the definition of assault. US statutes define assault as: An attempt to cause or purposely, knowingly, or recklessly causing bodily injury to another; or, negligently causing bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon. Cops are not exempt from prosecution on either count. They need probable cause that must be defined and identified, such as a threat to them or others, or flight risk.
G58 1 week ago
@nvryder It's only your prejudice and ignorance that's informing your statements here. The same prejudice that makes you stupid and the same ignorance makes you lie and make ludicrous fake legal comments that have no basis in real law whatsoever. I'm not even a US citizen but I can quote case law including Supreme Court decisions based on the 1st Amendment such as: YOUNG v. COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES & Hague v. Committee for Industrial Organization. But that's a bit over your head Lexus boy.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 ha ha....I'm very happy with my Lexus as it is something I've paid for and "earned". Something that you and your Occupy Waste of Space losers would not know nothing about. What you fail to realize my old, crippled, lazy, self-entitled loser, is that I support everyone's first amendment rights. I just don't feel that using the 1st amendment as an excuse to break the law is a valid reason, and so do the majority of the persons watching this video (just in case you needed a reality check).
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder You're right, I don't "not know nothing about" a lot of things, but I sure as shit know not to use double negatives! Isn't it embarrassing that someone in the UK knows more about US law than you do with: "a bachelor's degree in criminal justice (paid for the military), and ... currently completing [a] Masters degree in criminal justice (paid for the military as well)."?
Just name one law, read one Supreme Court judgement pertaining to this matter. At least try to be convincing.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 The U.S. Supreme Court has said that "The Fourth Amendment jurisprudence has long recognized that the right to make an arrest or investigatory stop necessarily carries with it the right to use some degree of physical coercion or threat thereof to effect it." Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386, 396 (1989)....nuff said now roll your ass down the street with that..
nvryder 1 week ago
@G58 negative - in order to make an arrest there needs to be probable cause. God you are an old idiot!!! Probable cause exists when the fact and circumstances known to the officer would warrant a prudent man in believing a crime has been committed and the accused has committed it...also, Cops are required to use a "use of force model" as they are instructed in the police academy. In ALL use of force models less than lethal force can be used for a non-compliant subject....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Then name the actual crime the assaulted student human being could be charged with - the one they were actually committing at the time of the assault. Name the precise charge for the charge sheet. Do it now or shut the fuck up. Whatever, I can guarantee two things:
The charges would be dropped, or they would be released within 24 hrs without charge.
The student would immediately have grounds for a civil case for unlawful arrest and imprisonment and felony assault [minimum].
G58 1 week ago
@G58 Penal Code Section 148 Resisting Delaying or Obstructing Officer, (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical technician in the discharge or attempt to discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
nvryder 1 week ago
@G58 BTW - If the charges were dropped, that doesn't automatically mean that the student would immediately have grounds for a civil case for unlawful arrest and imprisonment. The state reserves the right to press charges according to the statue of limitations and the original charges filed......I have been in several court cases where the district attorney agreed to drop the charges as long the defendant agreed to not be arrested again and have the sentence suspended.
nvryder 1 week ago
@G58 However, if the charges were dropped, the arrest still remains on their record. Meaning that when the turd applies for a good job and the employer does a background check, the turd with the criminal record will not get hired over the person that does not have a criminal record....we win....too easy... I like how you think you are an expert at law with the "guarantee"...about as funny as you falling off of a bike....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder How ironic. Now you finally find a law book, yet start referring to the students as "turds" in place of "entitled", yet you're the one on a fucking scholarship - paid for indirectly by the taxes paid by the students who have to take jobs to pay their own fees - the hiking [for profit] of which is the subject of their protest. Their 1st Amendment rights [which override abused 4th Amendment police powers], & should be every citizen's priority to uphold. You're a disgrace to your species.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 actually, I have been in a situation like this before and no, I was not a janitior. Actually, I have more respect for the janitior than a "Rodesian Security Fuckup" as yourself...haha. I am glad that your nursing home lets retards like you use the computer. This is very entertaining....lol
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder You can't even spell RHODESIAN. My work colleagues here reading this, are laughing their heads off at you & wondering why I'm bothering. For the sport! I owned your ass days ago Lexus boy, yet you're too fucking dumb to recognise it. Yep, we have that word without a Z ['zed' or a 'zee']. Now, go apply for a passport, they might let you have one. Fly over to London and I'll teach you some more about the real world. I'll be the one in the wheelchair with 3 sexy nurses! I'll lend you one:)
G58 1 week ago
@G58 that really funny because my UK buddies that I'm stationed with are getting a kick on how much you think you are such of a badass....BTW, I already have a passport and you can keep your wheelchair. I don't think it would fit in my Lexus or both of my street motorcycles which I know you can't ride....lol.
nvryder 1 week ago
@G58 @G58 ohhh...big man patrolling the "bush" with no body armor. You know that body armor actually is pretty heavy right? Not including all the sappi plates in the front, back, on the sides and the arm protection which makes it harder to move and patrol this $hithole. Is it my fault that YOUR leadership decided to not give you air support? And yes, I volunteered to defend my country from a real threat as well. The same threat that put two planes in two towers.
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder What a joke! You actually still believe there was a connection between Iraq & 9-11? No sane person believes that. More importantly, there isn't a shred of intelligence to support any al-Qaeda activity in Iraq whatsoever until AFTER the invasion of March 2003.
And when units are deployed in cross border raids such as we conducted against terrorist bases in Zambia & Mozambique between '76 & '79, only very limited air support is possible. Learn some history & some real facts.
G58 1 week ago
@nvryder If you can survive a direct hit from a 7.62 short - wearing body armour, you are better protected than we were - period. And what do you call a 'patrol'? A few hours before chopper pick-up, resupply or RTB? How about 8 days long recon, unsupported behind enemy lines, after a truck drop-off, or low level para deployment. You talk about respect? You don't know the meaning of the word. Barking "Yessir" & "Semper Fidelis" is robotic bullshit - one reason for so many US vet suicides.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 Where the F are you coming from again? The Rodesian Security Forces. Wow, everyone has heard of those guys right? If not mistaken aren't the Rodesian Security Forces are one of the most corrupt units (if you can call them a military unit) that ever existed....It's no wonder you are crippled....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Lying fucker. Do some real research. If you were really in the US military you would have been told about the most successful counter insurgency units ever to go into action. I know for a fact that the lessons learned in Rhodesia form part of US military training. So, not knowing that means you just fucked your own lying fake ass. Check the history and kill ratio of the Selous Scouts. Then apologise for falsely assuming the identity of a US service personnel.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 ohh no...more "I'm a badass remarks to prove I was once cool" by G58, again.....really, maybe you need to change your depends and look at the calendar and tell me what you see. Yup it's 2012 not '79 and no one cares about WTF you did as you were conducting "raids" and establishing your "kill ratio"......tell the nurse to change your depends diapers old man.....
nvryder 1 week ago
@G58 back in '79 I was cool too!!!!! Yep all those tactics that you learned and they don't teach at the most modern SRT and MOUNT schools.......WTF? Really? You should just go your nursing home, find a straw and "suck it up" cuz no-one cares about WTF you did back in '79......
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Really? "cool" in '79? Even if that was true, you were never in any military unit. Nor do you have any military knowledge or expertise. But it isn't true. What you really are is a simple minded redneck student kid obsessed with UCD, but lacking the intellect to understand the issues involved.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 of course I wasn't in any military unit...I didn't go to boot camp, I didn't to go a ground combat school, and I never deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. On that note, I never lead troops into combat, I never attended any special ops schools or SRT schools as well. Also, I don't understand that the "Rodesian Security Forces" made such an impact on the world that ALL military services around the MUST worship the ground that you walk on because you, my friend, obvisouly walk on water....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder That's right, you didn't. You're a student from Nevada that can't spell, prone to exaggeration and obsessed with what looks good on his car as he drives down the street.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 Of course I exaggerating because you are a "Rodesian Security Forces" ex military, who knows it all based on your expertise in patrolling the "bush" back in '79 and you walk on water, who talks so much $hit here because he feels so sorry for these spoiled rotten studens across the "pond"..I don't have to prove anything to you and don't have to whip out my dick to prove how much of "tough guy" that I am, like you do. In my training and experience people like you should just swallow a bullet
nvryder 1 week ago
@G58 sorry none of that going on here.....actually, we've built schools, hospitals and even helped the civilians who got hurt by the IEDs placed by the taliban. That's when I'm not on dismounted/mounted patrol on my off time...dude, you are a complete dumbass. Maybe you should take your medication and tell your "old war story" lies to someone else. It's hard to believe that the UK military would even accept someone like you as the UK guys I'm working with would never dream of acting like you
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Learn to read before issuing unsubstantiated insults. As I said, I never served in the UK military & wouldn't. If you genuinely are building schools etc, good for you. But please don't pretend your gov sent you there to build schools. Bush's declared mission was a "crusade" against the "evil doers". The simplistic fuck had even less sense of history than you, & deliberately fueled muslim anti US/Western sentiment - because it was good for US arms business. FFS, look at the big picture.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 Of course there's the COIN mission which is something you obviously don't know nothing about. oohhh I'm bad and "did" all these cool things with the Rodesian Security Forces back in '76. Wow, everyone still talking about all your accomplishments now right? No I don't think so!!! Did they even have helicopters back then or did they use slingshots and spears? Really?..almost as cool as killing bin laden right? Go ahead and stroke your ego and keep telling yourself that you are badass
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Fucking ignoramus. We had US Nam vets [so-called 'specialists'] come over to join the Rhodesian Security Forces, and it was very interesting to see them work. Not only did they need more than twice as much support, and were incapable of sustaining long patrols at all, they also had terrible unit security and drill. They frequently left spoor all over the place - giving away their positions. Eventually no-one would work with them, and they had to be retrained.
G58 1 week ago
@G58 ok...here we go again with G58 proving he's a tough guy once more....I give up because your "Rodesian Security Forces" are the shiznet, ok. Complete "tough guys" that can eat lead and crap out bullets. Everyone knows Rodesian Security Forces make the SEALs, DELTA and other SOF units look like panzies. Do you feel better now? I know now that all of those war movies are really about the "Rodesian Security Forces" units and we can credit them with killing bin laden too...
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder You can't even read can you? Modern Effective Counter insurgency ops were invented in Malaya in the 1950s. C Squadron SAS was formed in Malaya in 1950 - from Rhodesian soldiers who later went on to form the Rhodesian SAS & Selous Scouts. Modern Effective Counter insurgency ops do not depend upon or succeed because of might & large numbers. They rely upon the intelligent deployment of small numbers of specialists employing superior tactics. But the US only seems capable of learning a...
G58 1 week ago
@nvryder very small part of that lesson. The so-called 'specialist' US Nam vets we had in Rhodesia were lacking in intelligence & effective tactical training. They had absolutely NO understanding of effective strategic ops or deployment. They thought: "Go out, look for the gooks, find them, kill them" was a military strategy! In Iraq & Afghanistan they still do. That's why so many US troops keep dying. It's just too easy for the smarter & braver Afghan resistance units to ambush invading troops.
G58 1 week ago
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guitarguy620 2 months ago
they have unlawfully arrested the police who have LAWFULLY arrested the protestors the protestors not allowing the police to leave is taking away their freedoms w/ makes the police under arrest & can even be construed as kidnapping because they are also threatening them guess what all protestors there should have been pepper sprayed & even given some beatings especially the ones who said fuck the cops and before you morons assume no im not a cop & i dont support the bad ones but most are good
nicamy8988 2 months ago
The students provoked the entire thing, starting with the fact that once the police showed up they were not protesting anything other then the police being there! They were lucky that's all they got, total lack of any sort of respect and just acting like defiant little children!
skittles6597 2 months ago
If it is policy that they can't camp on the quad then that's their fault for breaking the campus policy. Everyone of those idiots should have been kicked out of the school they agrees to follow the rules when they agrees to go to the school. The police showed amazing restraint and should be commended for having to make a hard decision given the hard circumstances.
mikeaaron321 2 months ago 14
Did anyone suggest stepping over the students?
GodsEclectic 2 months ago
the only way to bring about change is through protests. Nobody listens if they just stand around quietly. Never heard of the protests under Dr. Martin Luther King Jr? Things sometimes have to get ugly before people will listen. Go ahead and try to dispute this... in the end you know im right.
zestydude87 2 months ago
@zestydude87 Just one problem with what your saying there, Dr. King and his protesters were PEACEFUL and DID NOT TWIST WORDS AND BREAK LAWS OR ORDINANCES! I believe in the right of freedom of speech and the right to assemble, always will, but these people are in no way as courages as the civil rights protesters of the 60's. Another problem is they have already threatened violence, remember the OWS guy in NYC that said "We're gonna throw a maltoff cocktail in Macy's". Get over yourself please
cfaulc 2 months ago 4
@cfaulc Of course they broke laws, Dr. King plainly says they broke laws in "Letters from Birmingham Jail"; he said that he had greater respect for the law when he would break the laws he thought were unjust, which the students do here. He also accepted the consequences for his actions. For the most part, these are peaceful as well, with obvious exceptions, but most of what i've seen has been the result of police violence, as seen in Berkeley and Oakland.
forttrres 2 months ago
@forttrres Berkeley was NOT police violence. They were given every opportunity to disperse and instead of doing so encircled the police to try and force a release of their ignorant buddies. So, in other words, they got what they deserved. These people are in no way hero's, nor have they seen violence like the 60's protestor's, not even in the same stratosphere.
cfaulc 2 months ago
@cfaulc You think the exact same thing happened at Berkeley? No, they did not in fact circle the police. They were peacefully protesting when the police came, like other Occupy protests. I acknowledge the fault the Davis protestors did; they should not have encircled the police and should not have made such irrational demands, but the Berkeley protests were not the same.
If they're not heros, that's your own opinion. I personally think the cause is just and noble; don't let a few people ruin it
forttrres 2 months ago
@zestydude87 Hey I understand, there is a long history of peaceful protesters passively breaking laws with the intent of being arrested to bring attention to an issue. But the protesters should not fault the police for doing their job. They arrested some and were leaving when they were prevented by the students. At that point, the students were protesting against being arrested.
They won't achieve anything that way. The police were faultless here.
write2topcat 2 months ago
@zestydude87 nobody disagrees with protesting.
goofypaul 2 months ago
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astraeagreek 2 months ago
Damn hippies!
skavanger408 3 months ago
I Think this was the right thing to do. To be completely honest, I think they could have been harsher. They were being disrespectful to the constitution they claim to love. These protests are unamerican. They want to be part of a movement, I feel like they chose the wrong movement. Sure, protest something, but not the cops trying to do their job. You can protest you "99%" but there are ways to do it without being dickwads to the police.
ZekeDelsen42 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I can't feel bad for them, they were acting like complete punks, trying to manipulate and antagonize the police. Afterwards they lie about it, changing their story, pretending to be the victims. They're tough when they want to be, but then act like powerless children when they cross the law. These kids don't even own this property, they have no power here. They should have just left when asked politely instead of trying to be tough guys. In my opinion they deserved a lot worse than pepper spray
CaliforniaVolante 3 months ago
the occupy movement has allegedly been flagging this video because they want to suppress the truth about what happened
BeyondLame 3 months ago
@BeyondLame is this why I can't find the other duplicate of this video that was around until yesterday? It was up to 400,000 views.
goofypaul 2 months ago
Are you being serious right now? You're saying the point of a protest is to cause disruption. That is called "rioting." The "point" of this particular protest at UC Davis was for tuition hikes and wanting to have a "say" in university-governing. The point of the protest was not to break some small university code and think that would create dissent and get their message across. Talk about diluting messages. The only thing they disrupted was their own protest and the purpose behind it.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
I was kind of hoping they would open up with the paintball markers. You know they weren't loaded with paintballs, but probably pepper balls. Awesome. Those people got off easy for obstruction of the law.
Autotechniques 3 months ago
The original arrestee's charges of obstruction of justice was so small, and given that these were campus police and the arrestees were students, it was very likely that they'd be given warnings then be released after they are transported to the police station. This whole event was aggravated by dumb students who thought their first amendment right included the right to obstruct official police work or to tell the police what to do.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
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All the sympathizers for these so called protesters are truly delusional. Your arguments are just plain dumb and illogical. Your comparasons to real revolutionist/activists are offending. There is a reason why there are more likes than dislikes. It's just all around shameful and you just look uneducated and ignorant. It's people like you that form cults and live in compounds in the outskirts of normal society. Have fun with that.
hoyj4111 3 months ago
Dear Dudes carrying the open Mac & filming/livestreaming ----you are one of the two guys hanging around nervously, filming that day and the day before.I see your friend here--still nervously looking to you. I even asked you if you were there in solidarity, bc you seemed so awkward, and appeared to be cops. it's worse though, you're just total dweebs. it was clear you were only there with the intent to discredit protesters from the start and sling shit. so...young fbi? cops? what loosers!
watchrepairmen 3 months ago
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Call this "man"....he is the pepper-spraying officer.
fedUPfedsdown 3 months ago
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These students broke a law, which is "wrongful inprisonment ". They are LUCKY that got sprayed with diluted pepperspray, and not arrested. I am 18, and i am seriously fearful that people like this will be running the country when with me.
pman403 3 months ago
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pman403 3 months ago
What a bunch of sheep. Just repeat all day what they are told to say. F ows.
1960NailHead 3 months ago
/but they where sitting... Could they not have walked around?
seechao 3 months ago
@seechao Can you not read fool, they surronded the police. Personally, I think they shpould have night-sticked their wat through,
1960NailHead 3 months ago
@1960NailHead But they where sitting...
seechao 3 months ago
@seechao I see you've wasted whatever public education you received.
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That's what you get for skipping all those classes, huh?
1960NailHead 3 months ago
@seechao they were in a giant circle around them
they could have stepped over but if they had even tripped then it woulda have been worse then the pepper spray
Cortexsaga 3 months ago
FUCK THE PIGS!
joeschmeaux 3 months ago
Just because the pigs say they are going to break the law and violate people's rights, it doesn't make it the protestors' fault for standing up for their rights. The pigs are a bunch of babies! They're all dressed up in paramilitary outfits with guns and huge cans of pepper spray they don't even know how to use legally. They could easily just step through the students. But pigs like to hurt people, so they mete out a little pre-trial punishment because they get off on it. Oink, oink.
FU junkie
joeschmeaux 3 months ago
@joeschmeaux ur a moron
they tried everything in their power to not hurt them, did u not watch the whole video? they repeated and repeated and pleaded and pleaded with the crowd, the protesters intentionally antagonized the police and forced that outcome to get morons like you to back them, i agree with the cause not the means
Cortexsaga 3 months ago
@Cortexsaga Yeah, that's called non-violent protesting. That's what you do. It wouldn't be a protest if anyone could come along and ask you nicely to stop and then just pack up and go home. The police still aren't allowed doing that until the protesters get violent, which is why they knock them around and pepperspray them in the first place, they just have no way of handling peaceful protesters so they have to try and get them to react.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
They could have warned them to leave a million times in a row, it doesn't justify their actions. You can tell a girl you're going to rape her 100 times before doing so, it doesn't make the rape legal does it? Of course not. Those students have the right to non-violent protest, this is exactly what non-violent protesting is. You're not supposed to do everything the police say, you stand your ground non-violently and take whatever unjustified shit they throw at you.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch - guess you didn't actually watch it. too bad. the difference: rape is illegal. the police have certain responsibilities. in the course of completing those they take certain actions. the legality of those actions can be determined later thru legal process. but if we let individuals make their own decisions about which laws they will follow or not, and whether they will obey lawful orders from police we would have chaos.
BobTheRecordGuy 3 months ago
@BobTheRecordGuy The difference is that the rape of a person affects one person, the rape of human rights is affecting over 500 million people in the US alone. There were no laws broken in this video. The protesters did not forcibly stop the police from removing the tents. Sitting in the circle is not against the law, that's non-violent protesting. They were free to step over, and were not being stopped. It was a message, not a threat. The police only do this kind of things to get a reaction.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@BobTheRecordGuy And the only reason they try to get a reaction is because they know there's nothing they can legally do about any of it while they're being non-violent. Even saying fuck the police isn't a crime, that's just being disrespectful, you can't pepperspray some one for that, as pepper spray is used as a non lethal alternative to when an officer would normally use their fire arm. Pepper spray use is banned in war, why would it be legal to spray non-violent protesters?
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotchulawfully detaining some is a crime, and f its a cop its a federal offense, they were legally justified
Cortexsaga 3 months ago
@Cortexsaga Nobody was unlawfully detaining the police. The police are the ones unlawfully detaining protesters, which is why they sat in the circle around them in the first place. Sitting in a circle around police is not a crime or offence in any way. There is no law saying that police officers have authority to tell anyone to do anything whenever they please, the only time they get to do that is when the protesters turn violent and start breaking laws, which they didn't do.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch Uh, they surrounded the police and DEMANDED the police to release people they arrested for trying to stop them from taking down UNLAWFUL TENTS on PRIVATE PROPERTY. The students straight-up told the police they would NOT let them leave unless the arrestees were released. That is called obstruction of justice, NOT peaceful protest. And by the way, campus is NOT public property, and you do NOT have the right to protest on private property without permission.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch Next time i'm going to occupy your house. And guess what, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. See what i did there? Your logic is the same.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch And by the way, the protests DID BREAK LAWS when they erected the tents and subsequently refused to take down the tent and even actively trying to prevent the police from taking down the unlawful tents. I mean, the police only cited to both CAMPUS CODES ANDDDDD PENAL CODES during their warning. I would say the students broke laws.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@HuSkOgS And where in this video did it show the students falcon punching the police in the face to prevent them from doing anything? No where? Well shit. Know what I'm legally allowed to do? Yell FUCK THE POLICEEEE at a group of police and sit around in a circle telling them to let people go. There was never a finger laid on the police here, there was no law broken. Setting up tents does't warrant pepper spray. Keep grasping on those straws though.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch I lol'd. So you're saying, if I gather a few of my friends, meet you up on a campus ground, and form a circle around you linking arms, there is NOTHING you can do to get us to move because we did not lay a finger on you? What a joke. And as I already said, they didn't get sprayed for protesting OR erecting tents. They got sprayed for DEMANDING the release of ARRESTEES lawfully arrested and THREATENING to not let the officers leave the premise unless they comply. Try harder.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@HuSkOgS Show me in the time line where the students were trapping them in the circle and forcing them to stay inside. Unless the officer sprayed them in the back of the head, he had to step over the students, which he did very easily, to spray them. Demanding things is what the protest is, it's not illegal, in fact, it's your first amendment right, something the ignorant masses of America seem to not give a fuck about and would rather have them taken away. But please, keep grasping.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch 5:10 is where the students began demanding the police to set the arrestees free. Following by a march toward where the arrestees are held and formed a circle around the police 6:10 (where you see students surrounding police, then police forming a circle around the arrestees sitting on the ground). At 7:10, the students shouted "if you let them go, we will let you leave" while surrounding the police. Need I say more?
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@HuSkOgS I'd say yes, but you seem to be going off about the wrong things. What you pointed out was students non-violently protesting. You don't seem to know what non-violent protesting is, and seeing as you're so willfully ignorant, nobody can really tell you otherwise, you'll just go on believing that your Country is MURIKKA STRONG BALD EAGLES FREEDOM FRIES GREATEST COUNTRY DERP DERP. But that's your problem. Sitting in front of cops does not warrant pepper spray, im sorry you think otherwise.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch I lol'd. You're so keenly focused on one aspect of the video, which was "student sitting in front of the police." You so conveniently ignore why the police was there the first place, why the students surrounded the police, and why the police felt that pepper-spraying was the appropriate response at that time given NOTHING ELSE worked. But hey, all is well as long as the ~15 students are sitting right? Please ignore the ~300 students surrounding the police. It's sad, really.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@HuSkOgS That's because what happens with other students doesn't matter. If I went to the same mall you were in, raped 50 people and shot and killed another 100, should you be the one punished for what I did? You were in the same mall after all, so it must be all your fault, right? You're a horrible murderous rapist too, right? Well I'm sure you'd love to go to jail considering how much you enjoy that red white and blue dick up your ass.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch Lol. Sure it does matter. And your analogy is flawed. Let me fix it for you. If we were part of a group of murderous rapist that went to the same mall, but you were the only one that did the raping and murdering and I (even though I was part of the your group) didn't do anything, should I go to jail too? The answer is yes. It is called aiding and abetting, and an abettor is punishable of the same crime as the actual perpetrator. Other students = protesters. Try again.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@HuSkOgS Well shit, better just start beating down every protester in the world for being a protester and aiding and abetting to the crime of putting up a tent. It's very clear you have no idea what non violent protesting is, and don't know two shits about any protest in history. I knew murrikan schools were biased bullshit, but I figured they'd have at least gone over some bit of real American history.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch Except the police didn't beat down every protester. They didn't e arrest all the people in line for obstruction even though they could. I have no problem with peaceful protesting and the right to assembly. But their right is not unqualified, especially when it took place on private property. The university reserves the right to vacate the quad. Notice other OWS movements took place on streets, public parks, or had city permits? Protest correctly and you won't be sprayed.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch Also notice all other speeches or other assembly/protests that took place on that very quad was not interrupted or broken up by the campus police? Police only intervened when the tents were illegally erected, and the students made it into an issue of "FREEDOM OF SPEECH." The exact same thing happened in NY when the mayor decided to no longer let people camp in certain areas of the park. Freedom of speech is not the right to do whatever you want.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@HuSkOgS It's not about freedom of speech, if the protest was just some people following every single little bi-law and doing everything they're told to do whenever they were told to do something, it wouldn't be a protest. The whole point of it is to be getting in the way and causing disruptions in the flow of things. That's why it gets noticed and actually does something. There's no point taking something seriously when you can just tell them to shoo and have them stop.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch The police didn't tell them to shoo and stop protesting for tuition hikes. They told them to remove their tents and subsequently, to clear the area so they can transport arrestees back to the police station. It has NOTHING to do with the message of their protest, and it has only turned what is peaceful into something violent. The ONLY thing that people see in these UC protests now are "police brutality" and "pepper spray/baton." NOTHING about tuition and democratic process.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch you keep saying NON-VIOLENT, NON-VIOLENT, NON-VIOLENT. Hey, let me get a bunch of my friends and go to your house to "occupy" it. I won't touch you, I won't even damage any of your property. But I will set up tents in your backyard and live there while I occupy your home. It's non-violent protesting of people who are homeowners. It's my first amendment right, right? Because the fact that your house (or the campus) is private property DOES NOT MATTER to you, or your logic.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@HuSkOgS Okay, come do so, and when any one of those people do or say anything I feel in inappropriate, I'm going to take it out on you and you alone. But unlike the police, I do not have pepper spray, so I'm just going to have to shoot you, since I don't have a non lethal way of dealing with you in that situation. You're too focused on what other students did, the could throw a grenade and kill 10 cops, that's their problem, not the ones sitting being sprayed who did nothing but sit there.
OfficeHopscotch 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch I think you're confusing the freedom of speech with the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want, wherever you want, whenever you want, and however you want. First amendment is not unqualified. It is subjected to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions such as this. This whole incident started with the students camping overnight on campus ground in violation of California penal code and UC David campus code. They broke the law. The police were sent to remove tents.
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@HuSkOgS They arrested students who were actively preventing them from taking down the illegally erected tents for OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE (which is also a violation of the law). What the students did is equivalent to people laying siege to a prison and demanding the release of all prisoners. Due process was not denied because the police had probable cause to arrest them for obstruction of justice. If they want to be released, follow the procedures of the justice system, not surround the polic
HuSkOgS 3 months ago
@OfficeHopscotch Of course obstructing an officer while he/she is performing their duties is not a crime at all....really?
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Yep, there's no law saying you have to bend over backwards to please and officer at any given time. That's called non-violent protesting. They're not breaking any laws, but making things inconvenient for them and disrupting the work flow. They did it perfectly, and things turned out great and they got the exposure that they wanted.
OfficeHopscotch 1 week ago
@OfficeHopscotch I guess the law that camping out on the quad or campus doesn't mean anything to you then....I guess we don't have to follow rules and regulations because that doesn't matter then right????
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Figure this one out, you have a first amendment right to assemble, and there's a crime bill stating that you are a terrorist now in the united states if you assemble. Do you honestly think that's not fucked? Especially knowing that the police can shoot you down in cold blood without reason or detain you indefinitely for being a terrorist. Even the vast majority of the universities are against what the police did, and say they want the students to be able to assemble.
OfficeHopscotch 1 week ago
@OfficeHopscotch Yes, there is a right to assemble and I strongly believe in the that right. But that doesn't mean you can completely trash the university in the process. Where do you get that the police can "shoot you down in cold blood with no reason"? And yes, I do feel that it's ok to detain a person indefinately for being a terrorist. If I certainly feel that the relatives of those killed in the 9-11 attacks would have rather had those terrorist detained indefinately....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder They didn't "trash" the university. The new crime bills that just went through. And you really shouldn't think that way, it's not "for being a terrorist", under the Patriot Act, all the police have to do to throw you in jail forever is "think" you're a suspected terrorist. AKA, claim you're a witch and toss you off the cliff. And those terrorists of 9/11 are not in jail, the people in jail are good people who stood up against the tyrannical dictators that are in the government.
OfficeHopscotch 1 week ago
@OfficeHopscotch So, distroying the quad vegitation enough so that the grass needed to be reseeded and plants replanted, distroying the locks to doors into secured areas, leaving graffitti around the campus, stinking up the common area sofas so much from their stench that all needed to be replaced, the carpets in Dutton Hall needed to be cleaned due to the occupiers sleeping in them, and the staff had to pick up all of the sleeping bags and trash left behind..that is not "trashing" the college?
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder I just figured since you don't actually know anything about what you were talking about legality and history wise, I'd give you a little straw to grasp on to get yourself out of the original topic. And the majority of that stuff is just average university wear and tear from the fact thousands of people come and go all of the time, since it's you know, a fucking school.
OfficeHopscotch 1 week ago
@OfficeHopscotch Ya know what you are right....students always try to break into locked doors, soil the carpets enough that they have to be washed immediately after they left, and lets not forget that the furniture that needed to be replaced after they left too, and the replanting of the vegitiation they distroyed because hey it's a college campus and the OWS guys had nothing to do with it right? And you are correct it's fuking school NOT a campground....
nvryder 1 week ago
@nvryder Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were personally there and over saw all of these OWS guys coming in and destroying the school and then leaving. You don't even have your protests correct. What do you think they should have done? Sat on the sidewalk and asked politely for people to stop caring about making millions of dollars and to care about others, and just say okay and go home when they're told to fuck off? That's not how the world works.
OfficeHopscotch 1 week ago
@OfficeHopscotch Nope, I wasn't there. However, I did know that OWSers did leave more of a mess than "normal wear and tear" by the reports that were filed and the complaints about the OWSers by the students that were there. The problem was that 2 weeks of camping out on the quad, sleeping on the ground in the hallways, and sleeping on the common area's furniture without adequate hygine facilities would result in a degradation of the campus....
nvryder 1 week ago
They were too fat and too power hungry not to just step over these Children but brutalized them in a public park. They engaged, asserted and left! The disobeyed OUR Bill of Rights! You people should look up Psychopathy. wiki
0110010110010 3 months ago
@0110010110010 : the police appear to have acted lawfully.
BobTheRecordGuy 3 months ago
@0110010110010 no police have rules that state they cant "just step over" these ADULTS (once u turn 18 ur no longer a child in the eyes of the law) if u looked at the video you'll see that the "protesters" non-violently blocked the cops from leaving thus surrounding them. the the mase comes in after they warn them that they r gonna use it.
spikeblk 3 months ago
@0110010110010 it was not a public park, are u a moron?
it was at UC DAVIS! NOT A PUBLIC park
Cortexsaga 3 months ago
"uhhhh....force me?" that guy jeopardized the group
NakMuayify 3 months ago
ah, those silly marxists.
hooray for the silent majority!
41224jason 3 months ago
These protesters = wannabe revolutionist, hipster, poser, self righteous scum
hoyj4111 3 months ago
@hoyj4111 I saw a lot of "omg we're so cool and rebellious lol" faces
dereknelson66 3 months ago
I disagree with what the police did here. They should have used tasers.
callmebakes 3 months ago 13
@callmebakes i agree and tear gas :D
nicamy8988 2 months ago
Where is our sense of self entitlement coming from?
davidhall831 3 months ago
"Let them go and we'll let you go!" haha, really?
junksnmore 3 months ago
these Davis Aggies need to learn from SFState's third world strike.
They're just posers right now
goldmagistrate 3 months ago
You cant shit on the police for doing there job, Countless warnings given, they even tried talking to them to get them to clear out but these people ignored and continued taunting the police. It certainly was justified. With the first video being shown of a police officer pepper spraying students for protesting this is just another prime example of how much the media is worth. Complete shit, its not about what really happend, its all about ratings.
Avenge911 3 months ago 14
If I were a police officer, I feel like I'd just... step over them?
Boistyle34 3 months ago
@Boistyle34 First thing you learn is "protect the boys"
dereknelson66 3 months ago
The pepper spraying was 100% justified. Eat shit hippies
And to whoever made this video.... thank you
pereiro16 3 months ago
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McGuireTiocfaidharla 3 months ago
Open a history book, they did the same in the 60's only with fire hoses... protesters didn't care then either. And it was a symbol then of what was wrong with America, just like this is a symbol of what's wrong with it now. That's the whole point of protesting, police don't matter.
tgmoren 3 months ago
hahah hippies
xXJBrutalXx 3 months ago