"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
What makes things "wrong" is the negative effect an act has on ones life. Not the act itself. Rape is wrong because it's a violation of ones own personal body when not invited and consensual. Murder is wrong on the same bases. Child molestation is wrong because the child is not maturely cognitively adept to even comprehend what is going on. It's the negative effect it has on someone beyond there own control or permission. Much like when your God "created" me without me asking to be created.
@JamesAsp Part15 Lastly I would like to say I don't believe god exist even if I write like he does exist. I'm not attacking a real god but the character as portrayed in the bible and yes, I wage war on human imagination of what god is. Why? Because of the bad effects that religion always have had and still has on society as a whole and on each individual it possesses.
@bigredmoon1 Your Part15: But then I have just proved you wrong. I am not that evil person you portray religion makes. I can't even relate to the bad things you "try" to say that one like me ought to have. I do understand your war on human imagination however and even wish you luck on it. there is so much falsehood "hiding" behind religion and it is good it comes forward and are being dealt with.
@JamesAsp Part 1 "But then I have just proved you wrong."
No you haven't, far from it. The only thing you have done is to show me that you defend god no matter what he does.
"I can't even relate to the bad things you "try" to say that one like me ought to have."
I don't say you "ought" to have them yourself but I'm very disturbed when you defend this evil god. When god says you are allowed to hit your slave as long as he doesn't die since he is you property you defend him. How can you do that?
@JamesAsp Part 2 I can't bother going through everything you wrote and frankly, I don't see the point. But I would like to ask you 2 questions. I don't know if you have kids but let's assume you have. If god told you to sacrifice your child as a burnt offering, would you really agree to do it? 2nd question, if 2 angels visited your home and the men from the city wanted to rape them would you really offer your 2 daughters to be raped instead, whether your son's in law where among the men or not?
@bigredmoon1 First question: See here is the thing. I know God wouldn't ask me to do it. I know He is good.
Second question: No I wouldn't and I dare tell you Lot wouldn't had either if his son's in law hadn't been among the men. The resolve he did was only a try to fix that particular situation. Because they weren't raped. Of course the angels didn't need help in the first place but Lot couldn't know that.
@JamesAsp 1st question was not if he WOULD ask you to sacrifice your child or not. It was what would you do if he DID ask you this. 2nd question ended with "whether your son's in law where among the men or not"
Now I know you wouldn't offer your 2 daughters if your son's in law where not among the men but what would you do if they where among the men? And how about slavery, how can you twist you are allowed to hit your slave but not kill to, you are not allowed to kill and say it's a good thing?
@bigredmoon1 I repeat: God wouldn't ask one to offer their kids. Not even in Abrahams situation did he do it. You need to see the context. The context are:
1) God will take care of our sin. We can't offer anything for that "Mark 8:37".
2) To show before the host of Heaven, and us, a man that knew God is good.
3) Showing us and Abraham that God doesn't want us to sacrifice our kids by saying stop to him.
@JamesAsp Yes, I understand you don't believe god would ask you to sacrifice your child. I don't believe that either. I don't even believe he exists but that was not the question. My core question was what does he have to do in order for Christians to think he is evil? Would asking you to sacrifice your child be such a thing? If he asked you this, even if you don't think he would, but if? What would you do? Would you do what I would do and NOT obey or would you do what Abraham would do and OBEY?
@bigredmoon1 Now about Sodom. If a "soon to be" son in law acted like that in the first place I would get my daughters as far away from them as possible.
However I can't judge Lot as he was in a dire situation. Just imagine yourself in his spot. He had to come up with a hasty decision that could solve it with no harm at all. As I told you I can see how Lot tried to convince the soon to be son in laws to "wake up" and get them on his side when they realize others could mistreat their betrothed.
@JamesAsp I don't understand why this is such a difficult question to answer.
I'm very happy to hear you wouldn't offer your daughters to be raped if you where in Lot's position but I'm very disturbed when you defend Lot. The excuse that his son's in law where among the men is the first time I hear but I must say it's one of the most ridiculous. The reason I never heard it is probably because the bible doesn't say they where among the men, but why does it matter? Seriously??!!
@JamesAsp Part14 Your example with the cliff is very flawed. I can't understand you don't realize it. A better example would be: Someone holds a gun to my head and states the "fact" (?) that if I don't give him $1000 he will kill me. Did he just state a fact what will happen because of my acts?
So that's it, I hope I gave sufficient examples to show that he indeed do the things both of us consider evil.
@bigredmoon1 Your Part14: No, becasue you try to turn it into something forced upon you while all the rules are there to help us live in harmony. Now that people twist everything their own way is what makes it so bad.
@JamesAsp Part13 "God doesn't praise any evil acts" Again, it doesn't seem you read the bible. Just read it and you will see many many examples. One is Abraham. Agreeing to sacrifice one's son is an evil act (no matter what god's intention was) and Abraham is praised for it. But let's switch it. Where does god condemn the evil acts of Abraham, Lot, Moses, Joshua, Jepthah etc. God condemn Onan because he "spilled it on the ground" but what is worse, what Onan did or what Moses did in Numbers 31?
@bigredmoon1 Your Part13: I have explained the first part already so i am not going through that again. About Onan however he is not condemned because he spilled seed on the ground. What was bad in his case was that he tried to witheld anothers property by gaining it himself.
@JamesAsp Part12 "Every person is equal. God doesn't make difference on persons."
MY GOD!!! Have you even read the bible? Again, the bible contradicts what you believe, and in so many cases and I don't know if there's a point of me giving them. But hell why not, just let us take Leviticus 27:1-7 where he gives a value on men and women and men is worth up to twice as much as women depending on their age. Off course there are more awful verses about women but this one is very clear.
@JamesAsp Part11 "God approve the death penalty? Well lets bring up the commandments again shall we. No he doesn't approve of it, not even close to it."
REALLY? Let's bring them up. What does the chapter after say? Many examples there but lets take Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death". If you hold the commandments true then why ignore the chapter after? These stupid bible verses have bad effects even to this day. Check out watch?v=QIs1-4uj_zs
@bigredmoon1 Your Part11: No human has the right to kill. This includes any way a human thinks out an idea to go around it also by example using animals to do the killing etc. If somebody Curse his father or mother, well that is kust a sad state they are in then. I mean to even do that in the first place... However God alone is the one with rights to take or spare life. He alone can judge fairly. Not the Pope or anyone else (only trying to make clear what I mean when stating God alone).
@JamesAsp Part10 "When it comes to war and genocide I think "You shall not kill" says it all."
Yes it does! Thou god is not so good at follow that commandment himself. Search for EPIC GOD FAIL for a brilliant video on that subject.
Glad you think incest is wrong and you think critical about it. Thou it's not really what the bible says.
Yes rape and pedophilia is wrong, but not because it takes away free will but because of the harm it does. And again, the bible doesn't clearly say it's wrong.
@JamesAsp Part9 Human sacrifice we've been through. God clearly says it's wrong to sacrifice to other gods but to him, NO.
About Jesus, Romans 8:32 "He...spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all" Not only that but he had it planed from the start. 1 Peter 1:18-20 "Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things ... But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world" How's that for sick!!!
@bigredmoon1 Your Part9: So do you think Jesus was forced to die? He did it totally freely. As He is God, He also shows how much God do care for us. When a person does something wrong to another, he need to pay "something" to make it right. In this case Jesus can say he took the punishment for what a person did, by suffering Himself so we are free. This way a person can't blame someone else for not have repaid some wrongdoings. God Himself suffered. He if someone wouldn't need to pay but did.
@JamesAsp Part8 Do you understand what I mean when I say "He should also make it clear that slavery, animal sacrifice, human sacrifice, war, genocide, incest, rape, pedophilia, etc. is NOT ok"? He doesn't make it clear that those things are NOT ok. If he did, we wouldn't have chapters like Numbers 31 in the bible. Almost all the things I listed is included in that chapter.
I'm glad that god doesn't approve of animal sacrifice anymore. But that doesn't neglect my point does it?
@bigredmoon1 Your Part8: I don't agree with you on this one. We are not out to find problems but to set people free. When you learn to know God you will see each human being with a value higher than anything on this planet. It makes life something amazing.
@JamesAsp Part7 Now slavery. I think you misuse the word "Clearly" in a number of cases. The Golden Rule doesn't clearly say it's wrong with slavery. Not as clearly as the chapter after the 10 commandments. There it says you are allowed to hit your slave as long as he doesn't die. Exo 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithtanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money"
@bigredmoon1 Your Part7: Yes slavery is totally wrong. Just because it tries to easen up the life of slaves by forbidding one to kill a slave doesn't mean you are allowed to have a slave. Huge different you know.
@JamesAsp Part6 I have more example of god killing innocent children but lastly I would like to comment on what you said
"As an example how he surely would have spared Sodom and Gomorra if there had been any good people in there (or at least saved them by bringing them out, like he did with Lot)"
Good people? Lot? The one who offered up his two daughters for gang rape and later got so drunk he wouldn't remember they had sex with him two days in a row!!! Can you really call Lot a good person?
@bigredmoon1 Your Part6: The daughters he sent out was to be wifes of two of the males outside. It was an incredible smart move by Lot sending out the daughters to get theirs to be husbands to realize what stupidity they were going to do.
@JamesAsp Part5 Num31:15-18 "...Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefor kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES. How's that for a sick? Later they share the war booty. Of the 32000 virgin women children god got 32. Burnt offerings? Wouldn't surprise me. And what did they do to the children in order to see which where virgins?
@bigredmoon1 Your Part5: I can assure you it wasn't burnt offering. Now about the killing whatever we conclude, we do not have the whole picture of it. Of course we can both "try" to explain it as a conquer method, but I doubt it was that simple as the soldiers at first had spared them.
@JamesAsp Part4 About that god murders innocent children I don't know what to tell you if you don't get the point from Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorra and all the firstborn in Egypt. But I will try my best with Numbers 31 that consist of such unbelievable evil and cruelty. First up Num 31:7 "And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males." Then they imprison the male children and all the women and what does Moses say?
@JamesAsp Part3 But let's take an example where he actually DO punish people for what others have done. In Exodus 12 god kills all the firstborn in Egypt, "...the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt...". Why? Because Pharaoh didn't let the Israelites go, and why didn't he let them go? Because god had hardened Pharaoh's heart so that Pharaoh would not let the Israelites go (Exo 4:21, 7:13, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10). How's that for a sick and evil god? Is free will not important anymore?
@bigredmoon1 Your Part3: I am fairly sure the kids got a far better life than their parents ever could give them. So only the parents suffered. Now you can say "hey small babies were killed. Should we do the same then?" No, we are ordered to take care of each other, of life and to uphold it. Only God have the right to "take life". No human being have that right and can't say they have it from God either, as God clearly state otherwise. God is not on same level as us. He alone know what is best.
@bigredmoon1 Your Part3 second reply: Also the Egyptians clearly mistreated the Israelites and did go against Gods commandments. I am sure they could have gotten easily away if they hadn't oppressed the Israelites in the first place.
@JamesAsp Part2 Lets start with that he indeed punish people by what others have done. You seem to like the 10 commandments. They are given in Exodus 20. What more can we find there? What about Exodus 20:5 "...for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me". Off course this is in contradiction to Ezekiel 18:20 but what is more important, the 10 commandments or Ezekiel?
@bigredmoon1 Your Part2: Ezekiel are more important as he is a prophet and they were sent by God to get people to turn around from their wrong path or misunderstanding.
But what does "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me" mean. Well I can do a wrong thing to another person making him suffer with a result that his kids will hate me. Do you see the point. This is just a statement of a "action and reaction".
@JamesAsp Part1 No worries for late answer my friend. So, where to begin? You say that:
"So now to your question about what would make me think a god as evil. Well I guess all the same things you have listed really. Everyone of them. I have only stated for you that God isn't this what you described Him to be however."
That's great to hear, there are some things that you would not tolerate, even if god did them. I guess I only have to demonstrate that he in fact do and/or condones these things.
Dawkins is such a philosophical and theological novice, he has no business being in philosophy, I guess Plantinga was right in saying that he would fail any sophomore philosophy class.
@meeene4 About Dawkins and theology: "What is the difference between a Doctor of Medicine and a Doctor of Theology? One prescribes drugs, while the other might as well be on drugs." - Patrick Condell
I don't thing Dawkins is offended by calling him a novice in theology or philosophy. Dawkins is a scientist!
About Out of Context: Atheist doesn't read the bible out of context. They read what it says where as theists read it and interpret it in a way so they can justify their own agenda.
@JamesAsp Oh, one more thing, what has he done in order for you to realize he is the goodness himself? And also, when and how did you realize this? Thought you wanted to tell me this since I provided some example that made me realize he is an evil character. When I realized this, was when I started reading the bible about 15 years ago.
@bigredmoon1 Part1 Okay thanks for the answer. First of I want to apologize that I haven't replied earlier but these latest post hasn't shown up in my inbox.
So lets start shall we. Before i answer why i think he is the goodness Himself and what I think He would need to do for me to believe He would be evil I will answer your earlier posts too.
He doesn't punish people by what others have done. All are accountable for their own sin (Ezekiel 18:20). Now if some back then didn't understand
@bigredmoon1 Part2 this is another topic. Because Jesus also had to tell the priests etc. at his time that divorce is forbidden except for one reason, but only because of their hearts of stones it was "allowed".
When it comes to Noahs flood those aboard the boat was allowed to spread the humankind anew. The innocent babies might very well have been saved from their evil "parents" in this case. This might come from circle reasoning that God is good, destroying evil but spare good ones.
@bigredmoon1 Part3 As an example how he surely would have spared Sodom and Gomorra if there had been any good people in there (or at least saved them by bringing them out, like he did with Lot).
Now your next point. God makes it clear that slavery is wrong by many things but lets take one, the Golden Rule: "Do to others how you want them to treat you".
Animal sacrifice was brought to an end with Jesus for sure. Well the Jews still didn't get it so he had to destroy their temple in AD 70 too.
@bigredmoon1 Part4 Human sacrifice is not allowed either. And no, God didn't kill his own son, but humankind did. Still he says that whosoever believe in Jesus as lord and saviour will be saved. I call that mercy far greater than we can imagine and God trying to show us how to live by going ahead leading the way. PS! If Jesus can buy us free, as he do says, he must pay something to all the humans who say that they want you or anybody else punished. So Jesus takes your and my place, if we allow
@bigredmoon1 Part5 Him to do it. Is this to flee responibility? Not at all. It makes us more like Jesus, we becomes his, and hopefully allow Him to change us from inside out to become lights of the world in goodness, humbleness, patience and so on (the fruits of the spirit found in Gal 5). This is a lifelong change however, so some/many christians might be just at the start of this transformation.
When it comes to war and genocide i think "You shall not kill" says it all.
@bigredmoon1 Part6 Incest is wrong because of the bigger risk of sickness it can bring. Many people marry that way but I do not recommend it no. Rape and pedophilia I am fairly sure we both agree on are wrong, as it takes away the free will. God Himself created us with free will to say yes and no and hence it is not hard to see how it goes against Gods will. Not to mention it makes one a slave and so on. No my friend, it is easy to see what is wrong according to God if you just open your eyes.
@bigredmoon1 Part7 God approve the death penalty? Well lets bring up the commandments again shall we. No he doesn't approve of it, not even close to it. Hey even in the new testament when the woman was taken in the act of sinning Jesus was more inclined to forgive. He again had to show us the path we really need to take. The stoning in the old testament was a fear factor by the leaders to try to keep order (Order is a good thing but it is sad if such measures has to be taken).
@bigredmoon1 Part8 Every person is equal. God doesn't make difference on persons. Why do you think women was those allowed to see Jesus first of all after the resurrection, or how he went to Samarians, hated by the Jews etc. Just read Acts 10:34-35. You know God has to be the one with the biggest patience ever when looking on history and see how we as humans don't get it. He slowly learns us more and more when we can understand it. Just like school I would say.
@bigredmoon1 Part9 God doesn't praise any evil acts btw. When some people are praised it is not because they are sinfree, but because of something good they did. Just like any father would encourage his son when he do something good, even though the son might do many bad things too (which doesn't get encouragement). I am sure you see the point.
God doesn't threat anybody with hell. He just states a fact that will happen if we contine on our wicked ways. Take an example: you see me walking
@bigredmoon1 Part10 toward a very high steep cliff. You can tell me to stop and turn around or you can say that else I will fall and die. You just state a fact what will happen because of my acts.
@bigredmoon1 Part11 I can understand you are offended by people that defend god if God would be evil, like you seems to believe (then I would agree with you also). But the God I know is the total opposite and is the source of love.
So now to your question about what would make me think a god as evil. Well I guess all the same things you have listed really. Everyone of them. I have only stated for you that God isn't this what you described Him to be however. I think you wage war on a human
@bigredmoon1 Part12 imagination of what god is while He really ain't that. So I hope I can welcome you aboard the boat and see through all the wrong pictures of Him.
What made me realize who God is, is when I had a inner longing for deep love. No human being has so far been able to come even close to it. I see failing in all around me and myself. It was cruel at the start but then it humbled me and I started to love the persons more and more and more. Then I realized all this was in the bible.
@bigredmoon1 Part13 It gave me answer to all these questions. So have I then had any daily experiences with God? Yes many. I have healed persons. Work situations that He has fixed. Stolen cars he fixed back not once but trice. Direct answers on prayers. Spoke to me to do some stuff, which I first thought was my own mind going crazy and then it showed out to be exactly as the voice told me etc. Have I doubted? Yes it is easy to forget what has been. Just look on Tomas in the bible.
@JamesAsp Part 3 I can go on but I hope you get my point. I guess you understand I don’t believe in god or almost anything in the bible. The thing is I'm very offended by people who defend god or the bible in the same way I’m offended by people who defend Hitler or Voldemort or any other evil character, real or imaginary. So now my question for you. What would you consider to be evil, even if god did it. What does he have to do in order for you to say, “Hang on a minute, this is just WRONG!”
@JamesAsp Part 2 He should not approve of the death penalty for almost everything. Even things that is not crimes in the first place. He should have made it clear that every person is equal no matter what sex, nationality or sexual orientation. He should not praise the evil deeds by Noa, Abraham, Lot, Moses, Joshua, Jepthah etc. He should not threaten us with hell, (an internal punishment just for thinking critically and not believing). He should not sacrifice his son and demand we believe it.
@JamesAsp Part 1 The list would be very long to answer that question but some things he should not have done from the top of my mind is punish people by the sin of their ancestor, Gen 3, murder innocent children like, Gen 6-7, Gen 18, Exo 12, Num 31 etc. He should also make it clear that slavery, animal sacrifice, human sacrifice, war, genocide, incest, rape, pedophilia, etc. is NOT ok. Instead he condones it in a number of verses.
I love how Americans want to teach children that the Bible is true. If that is the case, Americans who have a modicum of untainted logic should demand that they start using the God Delusion as a text book.
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Because what was his mind when he gave that oath? Even if a human being of his servants would have come out, he surely wouldn't have thought twice. So this was a way to open his eyes for what wrong he did.
Problem is however that he was stubborn and didn't want to ask for forgiveness. He continued in his sin and the result was a dead daughter. Did god want this? As we can see, clearly not and God didn't want Jefta to offer any servants either!
@JamesAsp Where can we see that god clearly did not want Jephtah to sacrifice his daughter? The verse before Jephtah makes the oath it tells that "...the spirit of the lord came upon Jephtah..." so what I can see, god inspired him to make that vow.
@bigredmoon1 Deuteronomy 12:31 You must not worship the Lord your God the way they do! For everything that is abhorrent to him, everything he hates, they have done when worshiping their gods. They even burn up their sons and daughters before their gods!
@JamesAsp If god didn't approve of Jephtah's sacrifice then why didn't he stop it? Instead he let an innocent girl die? And also, why is Jephtah praised for his strong faith in Hebrews 11 if he had done something that god hates so much? There also Abraham is praised for agreeing to sacrifice Issac.
First: Nobody is totally innocent (but yes it was wrong to sacrifice her). He should have turned to God weeping for mercy as Joel 2:12-13 says.
Second: Hebrews 11 talks about how people believed God and acted. Jefta did so in many things I am sure. But that doesn't mean he had flaws and did mistakes. Hey every person in the bible had flaws. Check them all up and you will see. Peter, Paul, Thomas etc etc. God uses nonperfect beings because only Christ is perfect.
Third: The point with Abraham is totally missed it seems. It is not becuase he wanted to offer his son, but because of his trust and obedience in God that he is counted in Hebrews chapter 11. The intention by God was never to sacrifice Isac. This just shows how people doesn't know God. Abraham fully trusted that God will provide. We also see that so was the case. Abraham KNEW God and that my friend is the reason why he is seen so big in the faith.
@JamesAsp What would you do if god asked you to sacrifice your children as a burnt offering? Would you do it and hope he would interfere like he did with Abraham or would you do what I would do (and what I think is the moral thing to do if asked to sacrifice my children), and give him the finger?
PS: I totally agree that every person in the bible had flaws, even Jesus, (actually I believe most are pretty evil), unfortunately god doesn't think so, or he is very incompetent in communicating it.
@JamesAsp What do you mean by "learnt to know God a bit better". If god asked me to kill my son and I instead give him the finger and tell him to "know" himself rather then do what Abraham (and unfortunately you as well) would do and obey god by killing my son. Why do I then know god better? Maybe because I will know he is an evil sadistic bastard, but I already knew that
PS I can point out quite a lot of his flaws. But I don't think it matter if I did since you defend god no matter what he does
@bigredmoon1 Well you would have understood that God never would want you to offer your son. The whole point with Abraham was for God to show him that He (God) will provide.
@JamesAsp NO I would not think so. I think it is in his character to approve of human sacrifices. 1st, he really loves animal sacrifices. 2nd, he never said it was wrong of Jefta to sacrifice his daughter, Jefta is even praised ffs. Also Deu 12:31 doesn't clearly say it's wrong with human sacrifices. It says it's wrong to worship other gods like Exo 22:20 and Deu 13:6-10 say. Is it anything god have done you don't like. If not, WHAT does he have to do in order for Christians to think he is Evil?
He did wrong to make that oath in the first place.
Leviticus 5:4 or when a person swears an oath, speaking thoughtlessly with his lips, whether to do evil or to do good, with regard to anything which the individual might speak thoughtlessly in an oath, even if he did not realize it, but he himself has later come to know it and is guilty with regard to one of these oaths when an individual becomes guilty with regard to one of these things he must confess how he has sinned
"The Lord's prayer is good" the praying might be good but the actions are reprovable. If religion want to be respected it has to stop attacking science and secular governments with it's dogmatic-bigot-totalitarian policies.
@tgillspy1 Already read the all thing. Each time you see a passage of a merciful Jesus there is one of a cruel Jesus to contradict it. The difference between you and me is that you choose to ignore the cruel ones and i don't.
@tgillspy1 OT and New Testement laws are the same for jesus, 'he didn't came' to abolish them but to enforce them, so therefore, all the cruelty, torture, slavery, infanticide.. are all ok for 'the saviour'.
"It is a free gift by his grace", if it was so, we would even be having this talk, and you wouldn't have the craving to preach because in your religion there is a payment which is heaven or hell.
@tgillspy1 Hi there. I'm not sure i you respond to the right person but never the less here's my response to you.
"Lord's prayer is in the school for a reason" yap, to endocrinate children. btw, How would u feel if schools prayed.. islam? or judaism? budism?
"Only he can give meaning purpose and direction" No, secular laws have much more morality and equality than your cruel religion. -> "thy shall not kill.. except the disobedient child, the impure bride, the neighbor who works on Sunday"
@356pla i said I find it funny, that's all. You know "Lynch" as in lynch mob? I just love that someone actually named a town for a method of execution. It's like Beheading City.
@356pla True. So, to explain the joke fully, I find it ironic that we are promoting tolerance and intelligence(by having a civilized debate about one of the most volatile topics out there) in a place that is named after a method of execution: lynching. What's more, that makes me think of lynch mobs, which are neither tolerant nor intelligent, but instead can brutally strike at anything that catches their attention.
@356pla no, i had no intention of casting aspersions on American society by pointing out there's a place in virginia named after a method of murder. Couldn't fool ya, could I?
Nope, islam is not, don't worry i dislike it as much as you, but it's neither a mosque nor on ground zero, so we really just need to suck it up and stick to our constitution. Congress can't forbid this and the 'people' don't have the power....
....(unless they start a mob! ooh, see what i did there?)
@356pla "Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
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@Drfarahmo Who cares if Qur'an has credible Science? I don't see they are learning now in Arab Countries, if not Muslims will lead this world now, not non-muslims..
Why do atheists and muslims alike continually point to Jewish religious and historical books, when cherry picking . The whole point of Christ's life ,death and ressurection was to change the "old ways."
@Diasanti God is judge. Would you think it right for me to pronounce judgment over any and all as I see fit? Indeed we appoint judges and juries for such things. God, however, is the righteous judge. He alone is all knowing and good. God judged those nations that you speak of and rather than fear Him and repent, you mock and hold yourself to be judge over God. God came as a man, lowly and in humility, but He will return as Righteous Judge. We are to learn from the examples of the Old Testament.
BLASPHEMER! YOU MUST PRAISE THE GREAT APU QUN TIQSI WIRAQUTRA, THE GREAT CREATOR GOD OF THE UNIVERSE, SUN, MOON, STARS, TIME, AND CIVILIZATION, YOU WILL FEEL THE PAIN!
@TimCOM62 adding on to what Diasanti said about jesus saying he was not there to destroy the old laws: it is not cherry picking when christians worship a god who according to your holy book has been responsibly for many, many genocides and murders. if you believe the bible then god is worse than hitler. did you ever stop and ask yourself why the devil is the one people say is evil when he was not the one coming to earth and drowning everyone.
I'm sick of Christian bashing. Christianity is a truly beautiful religion with really shitty, normal, flawed people in it. People are people. Anyone who claims to be more than a person is an asshole and there are plenty of non-Christians that do that. Why not go pick on them and leave Christians alone for a fuckin minute... god damn, you people talk about Christians leaving YOU alone. Check yourself before you talk!
@karlkarlkarl1234 Karl's theology: Take everything out of context and give bare assertions in a big unjustified exegetical framework. Of course this thesis will fail any theology class as we know the OT is a typological with types and representations of the messiah. So, we don't use your tactic of interpretation out of context, we interpret the OT in light of the NT.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
@teeno7 Please understand, quoting a source to someone who does not accept the validity of that source as a means to prove the validity of that source is doomed to failure every time. It seems obvious, and yet it is a mind-bogglingly moronic act that is repeated by so many to an astonishing frequency.
In math 0 always equals 0. You can’t get away from that. Stephen Hawkins has said, “there must always be a first cause, then the effect.” In order to have a universe of matter, and a beginning of space time, there had to be some power outside the finite, to start the engine. Infinite something above the finite. The question “so where did God come from,” is answered in the infinite. Something out of nothing, still leaves us with nothing starting everything.
@digital0707neo If your neighbor was planning to throw their own infant into a fire and burn them alive to worship their god, would you try and stop them?
What lengths would you go to, to make sure they were stopped? Would you even consider killing them, if they refused to stop in their plans to burn their infant alive. What if they believed that your own child should be sacrificed to the cannan god Molech. Would you kill to protect your own child?
@theawakener7 Nice dodge. So, you pull this random number out of your ass as if it's fact, and then lol when someone asks you to explain your idea further? Do you honestly think there's enough food to feed every single person on this planet a 500 calorie meal 17,000 times in one day, or are you just acting like an idiot?
@theawakener7 "there is enough food produced everyday to give every person on this planet 17,000 meals a day."
That's a pretty incredible claim. What would these meals consist of? Is this only grown and or wild plants, or does it include all potential wild and domesticated farm animals in addition? Are you including trees and poisonous plants in this?
Where is the food for these 17,000 meals to be found? Also, what constitutes a "meal?" A certain amount of calories or something else . . .
@theawakener7 just google "contradictions in the bible" PLEASE. your acting like 99% of other christians: lie about reading the book and enforce that its completely 100% the word of the lawwd praise jebus
@Caporacolo "That's if we last that long, if Muslims don't kill the Christians and Christians don't kill the non Christians, cuz they can't compete with the Muslims, cuz the Muslims cutting people's heads off, chanting in Arabic claimin they love em, declaring Jihad on Western Muslims, taking innocent lives for nothing"---Greydon Square, sick rapper btw.
There's another organization other than the catholic church that likes to make their billions tax free by telling people they will be protected if they just pay and do what they`re told or pay the price, its called the mafia also in italy,hmm wonder if they learned from each other?
Atheists using certain things from the Old Testament Bible to try and slander the Bible,the problem is without the key to the Word of God you don't know what you are speaking of ,the Key is in the New Testament ,his name is Jesus the Prince of Peace, the Morning Star,he came and called the Jewish Priests whitewashed snakes,he kicked the money changer out of the temple ,He healed the lame,the blind,the sick,He spoke peace,he is the Prince of Peace,He offers you eternal life,accept it
@majorl31 lol, yeh, you cant respond to that. its pretty sad how we can corner christian and they bitch out, atleast by like some of them and try to defend yourself
@patrickledford420 We as Christians know who the prince of darkness is and that is Satan,he is the ruler of this earth ,hence why we have some much trouble here,but we can turn to Jesus Christ for help
@theawakener7 Oh dear, it was not a statement. I was merely commenting upon the evident stupidity of that other comment. I could well add my thoughts on the issue but I feel like enough has been said in the video therein. Stay well, good sir.
My band only plays charity events in stadiums and amphitheaters. We're playing for cystic fibrosis on Jupiter Beach on April 17th. Do it every year. Suck it. You're mom thinks you're a good boy. Keep it up. Get married, have kids, get divorced. Ha.
Christianity is basically bribery and threats, thats exactly what it is! Its saying, if you do this then youll get this reward. But if you dont do this, you'll get punished. I as well as many others don't take well to the whole 'love me or else' concept that your religion poses.
@Imaginefree69 You forgot about killing disobedient children, of course a preacher would never admit such scripture in regards to his possible whorish daughter and drug addict son.
@HybridD91 "You forgot about killing disobedient children" Yes, well, the evils taught in the Bible could never fit in a YT discussion. They just go on and on. I also didn't mention that god approves public rape as a punishment for sin nor that he commanded his people to kill every adult Midianite and every little boy, and to to rip the little girls from the bloody arms of their murdered mothers and take them home to share with god's priests. YHVH is the most evil being in all of fiction.
"Oh, the Bible is a perfect guide to moral living:
If your neighbours work on Saturday, kill them..Etc.Etc"
Moot point dude.
That was the Old Testament times,before Jesus Christ became the bearer of our sins.During those times Israel was in constant turmoil and under the threat of attack,therefore the law was extremely harsh
Jesus freed the world from the harshness of these laws when he died.Now we are instructed to love our neighbors as we love ourselves.Too bad many of us fail to do that.
@gtw1983 "Moot point dude. That was the Old Testament times..." Yes, well, some Christian denominations use the OT, some reject it. that's the wonderful thing about Xianity, with 40,000 registered denominations there's a doctrine to suit everyone's wishes! Of course, NO Xians fulfill the NT teachings, either. None of them. John says that those who are born of god can not sin. Met any sinless disciples lately? Neither have I.
that statement is entirely inaccurate. if you spent a little time reading the new testament of the bible you'd understand that this idea is entirely unchristian. you would find those principles ("love me or else") in islam, hinduism, buddhaism, etc. however the biblical gospel is entirely exclusive to christendom. we love because God loved us, we do not, no further, we CANNOT obtain heaven by our good works. it is a gift of grace. learn your theology before your put your ignorance on such displa
that statement is entirely inaccurate. if you spent a little time reading the new testament of the bible you'd understand that this idea is entirely unchristian. you would find those principles ("love me or else") in islam, hinduism, buddhaism, etc. however the biblical gospel is entirely exclusive to christendom. we love because God loved us, we do not, no further, we CANNOT obtain heaven by our good works. it is a gift of grace. learn your theology before your put your ignorance on such displa
Heaven and Hell aren't so much real locations as mere ideological equations, i.e.; The God is unbelievable by x amount, therefore the carrot has to be 'y' big to tempt you into condoning it, and the stick 'z' big to scare you into dismissing every other possibility.
Conceptually yes, 'z' or the inescapable torture chamber where you suffer an infinite degree of pain for an infinite duration of time sounds hideous, but is a lot less threatening when exposed as an empty political calculation. That the scariest thing they could think of was a big fire, is a testament to their feeble imaginations. Similarly, the so-called reward of 'y' amounts to nothing more than some bright light and a big garden, and is remarkable only in its mundaneness.
@PurushaDesa how about the concept, that time space was created by an infinite God to offer freedom of choice. When time has run it's course, and choice ends, everything returns to it's original state of the eternal. And where we end up in our life, takes us one direction or the other.
@sleepywolff That's just your own insulting pride talking. It may be because an asshole tried to convert you. Nonetheless, it is obviously nonsense. For those that actually believe, they don't think of it like that. Rather, they adopt a common moral sense that we all have that good will be rewarded and evil punished. Just because they fit it into a religous dogma, you somehow get offended. Just because it was a Christian who bullied you in middle school doesn't make the religion horrible.
When you become born again it is a wonderful experience, I was once a nonbeliever. This physical plane is only temporary, and we have only just started the journey.
Im sorry if christians are threatening you, Jesus only asked us to be his witnessess.
To share what God has done in our lives. nothing more, nothin less.
We christians have been awfull examples and are not doing our job.
Im sorry, but dont let that be a reason to deny your creator!
@sleepywolff Ironically, the most effective conversion technique would be living well, serving others and having people know that you happen to be Christian. Any active attempt at conversion can rightfully be looked at as condescending and rude. It must be quite passive. This is how religion spreads, by just believing and living good. Apparently, being an asshole and telling someone they're going to hell doesn't really work; you're dead on about that.
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"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
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What makes things "wrong" is the negative effect an act has on ones life. Not the act itself. Rape is wrong because it's a violation of ones own personal body when not invited and consensual. Murder is wrong on the same bases. Child molestation is wrong because the child is not maturely cognitively adept to even comprehend what is going on. It's the negative effect it has on someone beyond there own control or permission. Much like when your God "created" me without me asking to be created.
mjfraser04 4 months ago
God bless Joe Pesci
ullevafan 4 months ago
@JamesAsp Part15 Lastly I would like to say I don't believe god exist even if I write like he does exist. I'm not attacking a real god but the character as portrayed in the bible and yes, I wage war on human imagination of what god is. Why? Because of the bad effects that religion always have had and still has on society as a whole and on each individual it possesses.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part15: But then I have just proved you wrong. I am not that evil person you portray religion makes. I can't even relate to the bad things you "try" to say that one like me ought to have. I do understand your war on human imagination however and even wish you luck on it. there is so much falsehood "hiding" behind religion and it is good it comes forward and are being dealt with.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part 1 "But then I have just proved you wrong."
No you haven't, far from it. The only thing you have done is to show me that you defend god no matter what he does.
"I can't even relate to the bad things you "try" to say that one like me ought to have."
I don't say you "ought" to have them yourself but I'm very disturbed when you defend this evil god. When god says you are allowed to hit your slave as long as he doesn't die since he is you property you defend him. How can you do that?
bigredmoon1 4 months ago
@JamesAsp Part 2 I can't bother going through everything you wrote and frankly, I don't see the point. But I would like to ask you 2 questions. I don't know if you have kids but let's assume you have. If god told you to sacrifice your child as a burnt offering, would you really agree to do it? 2nd question, if 2 angels visited your home and the men from the city wanted to rape them would you really offer your 2 daughters to be raped instead, whether your son's in law where among the men or not?
bigredmoon1 4 months ago
@bigredmoon1 First question: See here is the thing. I know God wouldn't ask me to do it. I know He is good.
Second question: No I wouldn't and I dare tell you Lot wouldn't had either if his son's in law hadn't been among the men. The resolve he did was only a try to fix that particular situation. Because they weren't raped. Of course the angels didn't need help in the first place but Lot couldn't know that.
JamesAsp 4 months ago
@JamesAsp 1st question was not if he WOULD ask you to sacrifice your child or not. It was what would you do if he DID ask you this. 2nd question ended with "whether your son's in law where among the men or not"
Now I know you wouldn't offer your 2 daughters if your son's in law where not among the men but what would you do if they where among the men? And how about slavery, how can you twist you are allowed to hit your slave but not kill to, you are not allowed to kill and say it's a good thing?
bigredmoon1 4 months ago
@bigredmoon1 I repeat: God wouldn't ask one to offer their kids. Not even in Abrahams situation did he do it. You need to see the context. The context are:
1) God will take care of our sin. We can't offer anything for that "Mark 8:37".
2) To show before the host of Heaven, and us, a man that knew God is good.
3) Showing us and Abraham that God doesn't want us to sacrifice our kids by saying stop to him.
JamesAsp 4 months ago
@JamesAsp Yes, I understand you don't believe god would ask you to sacrifice your child. I don't believe that either. I don't even believe he exists but that was not the question. My core question was what does he have to do in order for Christians to think he is evil? Would asking you to sacrifice your child be such a thing? If he asked you this, even if you don't think he would, but if? What would you do? Would you do what I would do and NOT obey or would you do what Abraham would do and OBEY?
bigredmoon1 4 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Now about Sodom. If a "soon to be" son in law acted like that in the first place I would get my daughters as far away from them as possible.
However I can't judge Lot as he was in a dire situation. Just imagine yourself in his spot. He had to come up with a hasty decision that could solve it with no harm at all. As I told you I can see how Lot tried to convince the soon to be son in laws to "wake up" and get them on his side when they realize others could mistreat their betrothed.
JamesAsp 4 months ago
@JamesAsp I don't understand why this is such a difficult question to answer.
I'm very happy to hear you wouldn't offer your daughters to be raped if you where in Lot's position but I'm very disturbed when you defend Lot. The excuse that his son's in law where among the men is the first time I hear but I must say it's one of the most ridiculous. The reason I never heard it is probably because the bible doesn't say they where among the men, but why does it matter? Seriously??!!
bigredmoon1 4 months ago
@JamesAsp Part14 Your example with the cliff is very flawed. I can't understand you don't realize it. A better example would be: Someone holds a gun to my head and states the "fact" (?) that if I don't give him $1000 he will kill me. Did he just state a fact what will happen because of my acts?
So that's it, I hope I gave sufficient examples to show that he indeed do the things both of us consider evil.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part14: No, becasue you try to turn it into something forced upon you while all the rules are there to help us live in harmony. Now that people twist everything their own way is what makes it so bad.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part13 "God doesn't praise any evil acts" Again, it doesn't seem you read the bible. Just read it and you will see many many examples. One is Abraham. Agreeing to sacrifice one's son is an evil act (no matter what god's intention was) and Abraham is praised for it. But let's switch it. Where does god condemn the evil acts of Abraham, Lot, Moses, Joshua, Jepthah etc. God condemn Onan because he "spilled it on the ground" but what is worse, what Onan did or what Moses did in Numbers 31?
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part13: I have explained the first part already so i am not going through that again. About Onan however he is not condemned because he spilled seed on the ground. What was bad in his case was that he tried to witheld anothers property by gaining it himself.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part12 "Every person is equal. God doesn't make difference on persons."
MY GOD!!! Have you even read the bible? Again, the bible contradicts what you believe, and in so many cases and I don't know if there's a point of me giving them. But hell why not, just let us take Leviticus 27:1-7 where he gives a value on men and women and men is worth up to twice as much as women depending on their age. Off course there are more awful verses about women but this one is very clear.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part12: Yes that is how people treated each other because they didn't know God.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part11 "God approve the death penalty? Well lets bring up the commandments again shall we. No he doesn't approve of it, not even close to it."
REALLY? Let's bring them up. What does the chapter after say? Many examples there but lets take Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death". If you hold the commandments true then why ignore the chapter after? These stupid bible verses have bad effects even to this day. Check out watch?v=QIs1-4uj_zs
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part11: No human has the right to kill. This includes any way a human thinks out an idea to go around it also by example using animals to do the killing etc. If somebody Curse his father or mother, well that is kust a sad state they are in then. I mean to even do that in the first place... However God alone is the one with rights to take or spare life. He alone can judge fairly. Not the Pope or anyone else (only trying to make clear what I mean when stating God alone).
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part10 "When it comes to war and genocide I think "You shall not kill" says it all."
Yes it does! Thou god is not so good at follow that commandment himself. Search for EPIC GOD FAIL for a brilliant video on that subject.
Glad you think incest is wrong and you think critical about it. Thou it's not really what the bible says.
Yes rape and pedophilia is wrong, but not because it takes away free will but because of the harm it does. And again, the bible doesn't clearly say it's wrong.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part9 Human sacrifice we've been through. God clearly says it's wrong to sacrifice to other gods but to him, NO.
About Jesus, Romans 8:32 "He...spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all" Not only that but he had it planed from the start. 1 Peter 1:18-20 "Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things ... But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world" How's that for sick!!!
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part9: So do you think Jesus was forced to die? He did it totally freely. As He is God, He also shows how much God do care for us. When a person does something wrong to another, he need to pay "something" to make it right. In this case Jesus can say he took the punishment for what a person did, by suffering Himself so we are free. This way a person can't blame someone else for not have repaid some wrongdoings. God Himself suffered. He if someone wouldn't need to pay but did.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part8 Do you understand what I mean when I say "He should also make it clear that slavery, animal sacrifice, human sacrifice, war, genocide, incest, rape, pedophilia, etc. is NOT ok"? He doesn't make it clear that those things are NOT ok. If he did, we wouldn't have chapters like Numbers 31 in the bible. Almost all the things I listed is included in that chapter.
I'm glad that god doesn't approve of animal sacrifice anymore. But that doesn't neglect my point does it?
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part8: I don't agree with you on this one. We are not out to find problems but to set people free. When you learn to know God you will see each human being with a value higher than anything on this planet. It makes life something amazing.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part7 Now slavery. I think you misuse the word "Clearly" in a number of cases. The Golden Rule doesn't clearly say it's wrong with slavery. Not as clearly as the chapter after the 10 commandments. There it says you are allowed to hit your slave as long as he doesn't die. Exo 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithtanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money"
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part7: Yes slavery is totally wrong. Just because it tries to easen up the life of slaves by forbidding one to kill a slave doesn't mean you are allowed to have a slave. Huge different you know.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
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@JamesAsp Part6 I have more example of god killing innocent children but lastly I would like to comment on what you said
"As an example how he surely would have spared Sodom and Gomorra if there had been any good people in there (or at least saved them by bringing them out, like he did with Lot)"
Good people? Lot? The one who offered up his two daughters for gang rape and later got so drunk he wouldn't remember they had sex with him two days in a row!!! Can you really call Lot a good person?
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part6: The daughters he sent out was to be wifes of two of the males outside. It was an incredible smart move by Lot sending out the daughters to get theirs to be husbands to realize what stupidity they were going to do.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part5 Num31:15-18 "...Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefor kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES. How's that for a sick? Later they share the war booty. Of the 32000 virgin women children god got 32. Burnt offerings? Wouldn't surprise me. And what did they do to the children in order to see which where virgins?
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part5: I can assure you it wasn't burnt offering. Now about the killing whatever we conclude, we do not have the whole picture of it. Of course we can both "try" to explain it as a conquer method, but I doubt it was that simple as the soldiers at first had spared them.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part4 About that god murders innocent children I don't know what to tell you if you don't get the point from Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorra and all the firstborn in Egypt. But I will try my best with Numbers 31 that consist of such unbelievable evil and cruelty. First up Num 31:7 "And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males." Then they imprison the male children and all the women and what does Moses say?
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part3 But let's take an example where he actually DO punish people for what others have done. In Exodus 12 god kills all the firstborn in Egypt, "...the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt...". Why? Because Pharaoh didn't let the Israelites go, and why didn't he let them go? Because god had hardened Pharaoh's heart so that Pharaoh would not let the Israelites go (Exo 4:21, 7:13, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10). How's that for a sick and evil god? Is free will not important anymore?
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part3: I am fairly sure the kids got a far better life than their parents ever could give them. So only the parents suffered. Now you can say "hey small babies were killed. Should we do the same then?" No, we are ordered to take care of each other, of life and to uphold it. Only God have the right to "take life". No human being have that right and can't say they have it from God either, as God clearly state otherwise. God is not on same level as us. He alone know what is best.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part3 second reply: Also the Egyptians clearly mistreated the Israelites and did go against Gods commandments. I am sure they could have gotten easily away if they hadn't oppressed the Israelites in the first place.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part2 Lets start with that he indeed punish people by what others have done. You seem to like the 10 commandments. They are given in Exodus 20. What more can we find there? What about Exodus 20:5 "...for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me". Off course this is in contradiction to Ezekiel 18:20 but what is more important, the 10 commandments or Ezekiel?
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Your Part2: Ezekiel are more important as he is a prophet and they were sent by God to get people to turn around from their wrong path or misunderstanding.
But what does "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me" mean. Well I can do a wrong thing to another person making him suffer with a result that his kids will hate me. Do you see the point. This is just a statement of a "action and reaction".
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part1 No worries for late answer my friend. So, where to begin? You say that:
"So now to your question about what would make me think a god as evil. Well I guess all the same things you have listed really. Everyone of them. I have only stated for you that God isn't this what you described Him to be however."
That's great to hear, there are some things that you would not tolerate, even if god did them. I guess I only have to demonstrate that he in fact do and/or condones these things.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
can someone send me a link to richard dawkins' full talk where this clip is from
davidmorrison09 5 months ago
Dawkins is such a philosophical and theological novice, he has no business being in philosophy, I guess Plantinga was right in saying that he would fail any sophomore philosophy class.
meeene4 5 months ago
@meeene4 About Dawkins and theology: "What is the difference between a Doctor of Medicine and a Doctor of Theology? One prescribes drugs, while the other might as well be on drugs." - Patrick Condell
I don't thing Dawkins is offended by calling him a novice in theology or philosophy. Dawkins is a scientist!
About Out of Context: Atheist doesn't read the bible out of context. They read what it says where as theists read it and interpret it in a way so they can justify their own agenda.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Oh, one more thing, what has he done in order for you to realize he is the goodness himself? And also, when and how did you realize this? Thought you wanted to tell me this since I provided some example that made me realize he is an evil character. When I realized this, was when I started reading the bible about 15 years ago.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part1 Okay thanks for the answer. First of I want to apologize that I haven't replied earlier but these latest post hasn't shown up in my inbox.
So lets start shall we. Before i answer why i think he is the goodness Himself and what I think He would need to do for me to believe He would be evil I will answer your earlier posts too.
He doesn't punish people by what others have done. All are accountable for their own sin (Ezekiel 18:20). Now if some back then didn't understand
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part2 this is another topic. Because Jesus also had to tell the priests etc. at his time that divorce is forbidden except for one reason, but only because of their hearts of stones it was "allowed".
When it comes to Noahs flood those aboard the boat was allowed to spread the humankind anew. The innocent babies might very well have been saved from their evil "parents" in this case. This might come from circle reasoning that God is good, destroying evil but spare good ones.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part3 As an example how he surely would have spared Sodom and Gomorra if there had been any good people in there (or at least saved them by bringing them out, like he did with Lot).
Now your next point. God makes it clear that slavery is wrong by many things but lets take one, the Golden Rule: "Do to others how you want them to treat you".
Animal sacrifice was brought to an end with Jesus for sure. Well the Jews still didn't get it so he had to destroy their temple in AD 70 too.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part4 Human sacrifice is not allowed either. And no, God didn't kill his own son, but humankind did. Still he says that whosoever believe in Jesus as lord and saviour will be saved. I call that mercy far greater than we can imagine and God trying to show us how to live by going ahead leading the way. PS! If Jesus can buy us free, as he do says, he must pay something to all the humans who say that they want you or anybody else punished. So Jesus takes your and my place, if we allow
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part5 Him to do it. Is this to flee responibility? Not at all. It makes us more like Jesus, we becomes his, and hopefully allow Him to change us from inside out to become lights of the world in goodness, humbleness, patience and so on (the fruits of the spirit found in Gal 5). This is a lifelong change however, so some/many christians might be just at the start of this transformation.
When it comes to war and genocide i think "You shall not kill" says it all.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part6 Incest is wrong because of the bigger risk of sickness it can bring. Many people marry that way but I do not recommend it no. Rape and pedophilia I am fairly sure we both agree on are wrong, as it takes away the free will. God Himself created us with free will to say yes and no and hence it is not hard to see how it goes against Gods will. Not to mention it makes one a slave and so on. No my friend, it is easy to see what is wrong according to God if you just open your eyes.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part7 God approve the death penalty? Well lets bring up the commandments again shall we. No he doesn't approve of it, not even close to it. Hey even in the new testament when the woman was taken in the act of sinning Jesus was more inclined to forgive. He again had to show us the path we really need to take. The stoning in the old testament was a fear factor by the leaders to try to keep order (Order is a good thing but it is sad if such measures has to be taken).
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part8 Every person is equal. God doesn't make difference on persons. Why do you think women was those allowed to see Jesus first of all after the resurrection, or how he went to Samarians, hated by the Jews etc. Just read Acts 10:34-35. You know God has to be the one with the biggest patience ever when looking on history and see how we as humans don't get it. He slowly learns us more and more when we can understand it. Just like school I would say.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part9 God doesn't praise any evil acts btw. When some people are praised it is not because they are sinfree, but because of something good they did. Just like any father would encourage his son when he do something good, even though the son might do many bad things too (which doesn't get encouragement). I am sure you see the point.
God doesn't threat anybody with hell. He just states a fact that will happen if we contine on our wicked ways. Take an example: you see me walking
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part10 toward a very high steep cliff. You can tell me to stop and turn around or you can say that else I will fall and die. You just state a fact what will happen because of my acts.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part11 I can understand you are offended by people that defend god if God would be evil, like you seems to believe (then I would agree with you also). But the God I know is the total opposite and is the source of love.
So now to your question about what would make me think a god as evil. Well I guess all the same things you have listed really. Everyone of them. I have only stated for you that God isn't this what you described Him to be however. I think you wage war on a human
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part12 imagination of what god is while He really ain't that. So I hope I can welcome you aboard the boat and see through all the wrong pictures of Him.
What made me realize who God is, is when I had a inner longing for deep love. No human being has so far been able to come even close to it. I see failing in all around me and myself. It was cruel at the start but then it humbled me and I started to love the persons more and more and more. Then I realized all this was in the bible.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part13 It gave me answer to all these questions. So have I then had any daily experiences with God? Yes many. I have healed persons. Work situations that He has fixed. Stolen cars he fixed back not once but trice. Direct answers on prayers. Spoke to me to do some stuff, which I first thought was my own mind going crazy and then it showed out to be exactly as the voice told me etc. Have I doubted? Yes it is easy to forget what has been. Just look on Tomas in the bible.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part 3 I can go on but I hope you get my point. I guess you understand I don’t believe in god or almost anything in the bible. The thing is I'm very offended by people who defend god or the bible in the same way I’m offended by people who defend Hitler or Voldemort or any other evil character, real or imaginary. So now my question for you. What would you consider to be evil, even if god did it. What does he have to do in order for you to say, “Hang on a minute, this is just WRONG!”
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part 2 He should not approve of the death penalty for almost everything. Even things that is not crimes in the first place. He should have made it clear that every person is equal no matter what sex, nationality or sexual orientation. He should not praise the evil deeds by Noa, Abraham, Lot, Moses, Joshua, Jepthah etc. He should not threaten us with hell, (an internal punishment just for thinking critically and not believing). He should not sacrifice his son and demand we believe it.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@JamesAsp Part 1 The list would be very long to answer that question but some things he should not have done from the top of my mind is punish people by the sin of their ancestor, Gen 3, murder innocent children like, Gen 6-7, Gen 18, Exo 12, Num 31 etc. He should also make it clear that slavery, animal sacrifice, human sacrifice, war, genocide, incest, rape, pedophilia, etc. is NOT ok. Instead he condones it in a number of verses.
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
I love how Americans want to teach children that the Bible is true. If that is the case, Americans who have a modicum of untainted logic should demand that they start using the God Delusion as a text book.
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
Part2
Because what was his mind when he gave that oath? Even if a human being of his servants would have come out, he surely wouldn't have thought twice. So this was a way to open his eyes for what wrong he did.
Problem is however that he was stubborn and didn't want to ask for forgiveness. He continued in his sin and the result was a dead daughter. Did god want this? As we can see, clearly not and God didn't want Jefta to offer any servants either!
JamesAsp 6 months ago
@JamesAsp Where can we see that god clearly did not want Jephtah to sacrifice his daughter? The verse before Jephtah makes the oath it tells that "...the spirit of the lord came upon Jephtah..." so what I can see, god inspired him to make that vow.
bigredmoon1 6 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Deuteronomy 12:31 You must not worship the Lord your God the way they do! For everything that is abhorrent to him, everything he hates, they have done when worshiping their gods. They even burn up their sons and daughters before their gods!
JamesAsp 6 months ago
@JamesAsp If god didn't approve of Jephtah's sacrifice then why didn't he stop it? Instead he let an innocent girl die? And also, why is Jephtah praised for his strong faith in Hebrews 11 if he had done something that god hates so much? There also Abraham is praised for agreeing to sacrifice Issac.
bigredmoon1 6 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part1
First: Nobody is totally innocent (but yes it was wrong to sacrifice her). He should have turned to God weeping for mercy as Joel 2:12-13 says.
Second: Hebrews 11 talks about how people believed God and acted. Jefta did so in many things I am sure. But that doesn't mean he had flaws and did mistakes. Hey every person in the bible had flaws. Check them all up and you will see. Peter, Paul, Thomas etc etc. God uses nonperfect beings because only Christ is perfect.
JamesAsp 6 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Part2
Third: The point with Abraham is totally missed it seems. It is not becuase he wanted to offer his son, but because of his trust and obedience in God that he is counted in Hebrews chapter 11. The intention by God was never to sacrifice Isac. This just shows how people doesn't know God. Abraham fully trusted that God will provide. We also see that so was the case. Abraham KNEW God and that my friend is the reason why he is seen so big in the faith.
JamesAsp 6 months ago
@JamesAsp What would you do if god asked you to sacrifice your children as a burnt offering? Would you do it and hope he would interfere like he did with Abraham or would you do what I would do (and what I think is the moral thing to do if asked to sacrifice my children), and give him the finger?
PS: I totally agree that every person in the bible had flaws, even Jesus, (actually I believe most are pretty evil), unfortunately god doesn't think so, or he is very incompetent in communicating it.
bigredmoon1 6 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Well if you showed him your finger "if" he had asked you that, then welcome to have finally learnt to know God a bit better;)
PS: Jesus had no flaws.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp What do you mean by "learnt to know God a bit better". If god asked me to kill my son and I instead give him the finger and tell him to "know" himself rather then do what Abraham (and unfortunately you as well) would do and obey god by killing my son. Why do I then know god better? Maybe because I will know he is an evil sadistic bastard, but I already knew that
PS I can point out quite a lot of his flaws. But I don't think it matter if I did since you defend god no matter what he does
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Well you would have understood that God never would want you to offer your son. The whole point with Abraham was for God to show him that He (God) will provide.
JamesAsp 5 months ago
@JamesAsp NO I would not think so. I think it is in his character to approve of human sacrifices. 1st, he really loves animal sacrifices. 2nd, he never said it was wrong of Jefta to sacrifice his daughter, Jefta is even praised ffs. Also Deu 12:31 doesn't clearly say it's wrong with human sacrifices. It says it's wrong to worship other gods like Exo 22:20 and Deu 13:6-10 say. Is it anything god have done you don't like. If not, WHAT does he have to do in order for Christians to think he is Evil?
bigredmoon1 5 months ago
@bigredmoon1 Nah, it ain't in Gods character to approve of human sacrifices.
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JamesAsp 5 months ago
Part1
About Jefta:
He did wrong to make that oath in the first place.
Leviticus 5:4 or when a person swears an oath, speaking thoughtlessly with his lips, whether to do evil or to do good, with regard to anything which the individual might speak thoughtlessly in an oath, even if he did not realize it, but he himself has later come to know it and is guilty with regard to one of these oaths when an individual becomes guilty with regard to one of these things he must confess how he has sinned
JamesAsp 6 months ago
@tgillspy1
"The Lord's prayer is good" the praying might be good but the actions are reprovable. If religion want to be respected it has to stop attacking science and secular governments with it's dogmatic-bigot-totalitarian policies.
ZZzzzzzWhat 6 months ago
@tgillspy1 Already read the all thing. Each time you see a passage of a merciful Jesus there is one of a cruel Jesus to contradict it. The difference between you and me is that you choose to ignore the cruel ones and i don't.
ZZzzzzzWhat 6 months ago
Religion sucks monkeyballs all over the place.
This is not a joke, I really mean it.
BlatendCrude 7 months ago
@tgillspy1 OT and New Testement laws are the same for jesus, 'he didn't came' to abolish them but to enforce them, so therefore, all the cruelty, torture, slavery, infanticide.. are all ok for 'the saviour'.
"It is a free gift by his grace", if it was so, we would even be having this talk, and you wouldn't have the craving to preach because in your religion there is a payment which is heaven or hell.
ZZzzzzzWhat 7 months ago
@tgillspy1 Hi there. I'm not sure i you respond to the right person but never the less here's my response to you.
"Lord's prayer is in the school for a reason" yap, to endocrinate children. btw, How would u feel if schools prayed.. islam? or judaism? budism?
"Only he can give meaning purpose and direction" No, secular laws have much more morality and equality than your cruel religion. -> "thy shall not kill.. except the disobedient child, the impure bride, the neighbor who works on Sunday"
ZZzzzzzWhat 7 months ago
@tgillspy1 Your point being?
Jornev 7 months ago
sweetassuzy is another case of creatard 'hit and run'.
- You are wrong!!! *runs away and hides inside local church*
ZZzzzzzWhat 8 months ago 3
- Single Cell Complexity Proves Evolution is Wrong
sweetassuzy 11 months ago
@sweetassuzy How is it wrong exactly? Please a little evidence.......
s5b678 9 months ago
@sweetassuzy well... actually it doesn't. Go take a biology class, and do try to stay awake this time.
reedcoz 9 months ago 4
"Or her ass." *grin*
TheDarkestAbYsS 1 year ago
I found it kinda funny that this conference is in a place called Lynchburg. That name doesn't exactly call to mind tolerance and reasonableness.
sinofalchemy 1 year ago
@sinofalchemy What's your point? Explain the relevance.
356pla 1 year ago
@356pla i said I find it funny, that's all. You know "Lynch" as in lynch mob? I just love that someone actually named a town for a method of execution. It's like Beheading City.
sinofalchemy 1 year ago
@sinofalchemy No. You said much more. I quote;
"That name doesn't exactly call to mind tolerance and reasonableness."
356pla 1 year ago
@356pla True. So, to explain the joke fully, I find it ironic that we are promoting tolerance and intelligence(by having a civilized debate about one of the most volatile topics out there) in a place that is named after a method of execution: lynching. What's more, that makes me think of lynch mobs, which are neither tolerant nor intelligent, but instead can brutally strike at anything that catches their attention.
sinofalchemy 1 year ago
@sinofalchemy Ok. I'm duped. You had no intent of casting aspersions on American society by pointing it out.
The proposed NY mosque is to be built as a symbol of unity. Islam is Peace.
356pla 1 year ago
@356pla no, i had no intention of casting aspersions on American society by pointing out there's a place in virginia named after a method of murder. Couldn't fool ya, could I?
Nope, islam is not, don't worry i dislike it as much as you, but it's neither a mosque nor on ground zero, so we really just need to suck it up and stick to our constitution. Congress can't forbid this and the 'people' don't have the power....
....(unless they start a mob! ooh, see what i did there?)
sinofalchemy 1 year ago
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@356pla "Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
powerdon108 11 months ago
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Drfarahmo 1 year ago
@Drfarahmo Who cares if Qur'an has credible Science? I don't see they are learning now in Arab Countries, if not Muslims will lead this world now, not non-muslims..
WhatTheAce 1 year ago
@Drfarahmo Such as? Funny how these holy books always describes something after the fact.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
@Drfarahmo And human life didn't come from clay, which is a rip off from Genesis which is a rip off from the Sumerian text.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
Perhaps it was the Christians who destroyed RMWC because of non-Christians being allowed to speak at the college.
inclark 1 year ago
Why do atheists and muslims alike continually point to Jewish religious and historical books, when cherry picking . The whole point of Christ's life ,death and ressurection was to change the "old ways."
TimCOM62 1 year ago
@TimCOM62 Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
In other words, Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
Try again.
Diasanti 1 year ago
@Diasanti God is judge. Would you think it right for me to pronounce judgment over any and all as I see fit? Indeed we appoint judges and juries for such things. God, however, is the righteous judge. He alone is all knowing and good. God judged those nations that you speak of and rather than fear Him and repent, you mock and hold yourself to be judge over God. God came as a man, lowly and in humility, but He will return as Righteous Judge. We are to learn from the examples of the Old Testament.
swentworth 1 year ago
@swentworth “God” is a figment of your imagination. Go peddle your crap on some street corner.
Diasanti 1 year ago
@Diasanti Did I offend you? You seem very angry. I'll leave you alone. I just wanted to clarify the Christian position.
swentworth 1 year ago
@swentworth Did you offend me? No. Out of the over 36,000 sects of Christianity, you are here to "clarify" a (one) position?
Yeah, right.
Diasanti 1 year ago
@swentworth
BLASPHEMER! YOU MUST PRAISE THE GREAT APU QUN TIQSI WIRAQUTRA, THE GREAT CREATOR GOD OF THE UNIVERSE, SUN, MOON, STARS, TIME, AND CIVILIZATION, YOU WILL FEEL THE PAIN!
raldakejla 1 year ago
@TimCOM62 adding on to what Diasanti said about jesus saying he was not there to destroy the old laws: it is not cherry picking when christians worship a god who according to your holy book has been responsibly for many, many genocides and murders. if you believe the bible then god is worse than hitler. did you ever stop and ask yourself why the devil is the one people say is evil when he was not the one coming to earth and drowning everyone.
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
I'm sick of Christian bashing. Christianity is a truly beautiful religion with really shitty, normal, flawed people in it. People are people. Anyone who claims to be more than a person is an asshole and there are plenty of non-Christians that do that. Why not go pick on them and leave Christians alone for a fuckin minute... god damn, you people talk about Christians leaving YOU alone. Check yourself before you talk!
tpstrat14 1 year ago
Biblical Morality: kill everyone different to you do they can burn in an eternal lava pit!
I stuggle to think of a more sick and depraved way of thinking.....
The Old Testament is more sickening than the Satanist Bible and the Talmud put together.
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago 14
@karlkarlkarl1234 Karl's theology: Take everything out of context and give bare assertions in a big unjustified exegetical framework. Of course this thesis will fail any theology class as we know the OT is a typological with types and representations of the messiah. So, we don't use your tactic of interpretation out of context, we interpret the OT in light of the NT.
meeene4 5 months ago
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(Romans 1:20-22)
teeno7 1 year ago
@teeno7 And that "wisdom" helps us how?
Don't just quote the Bible. We've already heard it all before. Please, find some good arguments against atheism.
LookieHippie 1 year ago
@teeno7 Please understand, quoting a source to someone who does not accept the validity of that source as a means to prove the validity of that source is doomed to failure every time. It seems obvious, and yet it is a mind-bogglingly moronic act that is repeated by so many to an astonishing frequency.
BulletMagnetOWI 1 year ago 2
@BulletMagnetOWI It really doesn't matter Romans 1:20 is self explanatory, don't pretend you don't get the picture.
teeno7 1 year ago
I find this guy to be snooty and totally anoying
musicprodave 1 year ago
@musicprodave
No need to share with everyone else.
dmguitarist99 1 year ago
In math 0 always equals 0. You can’t get away from that. Stephen Hawkins has said, “there must always be a first cause, then the effect.” In order to have a universe of matter, and a beginning of space time, there had to be some power outside the finite, to start the engine. Infinite something above the finite. The question “so where did God come from,” is answered in the infinite. Something out of nothing, still leaves us with nothing starting everything.
digital0707neo 1 year ago
@digital0707neo
Let's say that you are right. And you very well may be. It's certain that if God does exist, it won't be 1 of the Gods from the so called holy books.
Wake up and understand that ALL Gods were created by humans not the other way around.
kansaimagic 1 year ago
@digital0707neo If your neighbor was planning to throw their own infant into a fire and burn them alive to worship their god, would you try and stop them?
What lengths would you go to, to make sure they were stopped? Would you even consider killing them, if they refused to stop in their plans to burn their infant alive. What if they believed that your own child should be sacrificed to the cannan god Molech. Would you kill to protect your own child?
digital0707neo 1 year ago
I irony of a jew using the nuremberg defence should not be overlooked. LOL
pupil8 1 year ago
religion takes on the form of the carrot and the stick..
Londron 1 year ago
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The biggest problem with Darwinism is that it makes ruthlessness and reason kissing cousins, when in truth they are mutually exclusive.
GhostofCliffGullett 1 year ago
God must be in prison because that's where everyone finds him.
kansaimagic 1 year ago 24
@kansaimagic and Jesus said,"the spirit of the Lord is upon me for He has anointed me to preach good news to those suffering poverty."
digital0707neo 1 year ago
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife... or her ass." XD brilliant and hilarious. God (or lack thereof :P) I love this man.
pdlbean 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Nice dodge. So, you pull this random number out of your ass as if it's fact, and then lol when someone asks you to explain your idea further? Do you honestly think there's enough food to feed every single person on this planet a 500 calorie meal 17,000 times in one day, or are you just acting like an idiot?
RhunDraco 1 year ago
@theawakener7 "there is enough food produced everyday to give every person on this planet 17,000 meals a day."
That's a pretty incredible claim. What would these meals consist of? Is this only grown and or wild plants, or does it include all potential wild and domesticated farm animals in addition? Are you including trees and poisonous plants in this?
Where is the food for these 17,000 meals to be found? Also, what constitutes a "meal?" A certain amount of calories or something else . . .
RhunDraco 1 year ago
@theawakener7 "all my 4 kids were planned, God planned them"
"I'm grown up thanks, got 4 kids a wife my own business a people carrier and a mortgage. "
"and I don't have a mortgage my parents left me their house" yes, I see... So anyway; Best wishes to you and your family!.
TheNemesiah 1 year ago
@theawakener7 4 kids, so no birth control I see... Wouldnt 2 kids and no mortage be better? for you and the world I mean?
TheNemesiah 1 year ago
@theawakener7 just google "contradictions in the bible" PLEASE. your acting like 99% of other christians: lie about reading the book and enforce that its completely 100% the word of the lawwd praise jebus
patrickledford420 1 year ago
what a crook what a sales man of world goverment what a waste of life for hedonizm
what a burjuva
artregeous 1 year ago
i just laugh thinking how future people will mock us..."The People who believed in God, luckily there were few intelligent there"
Caporacolo 1 year ago
@Caporacolo "That's if we last that long, if Muslims don't kill the Christians and Christians don't kill the non Christians, cuz they can't compete with the Muslims, cuz the Muslims cutting people's heads off, chanting in Arabic claimin they love em, declaring Jihad on Western Muslims, taking innocent lives for nothing"---Greydon Square, sick rapper btw.
HybridD91 1 year ago
@HybridD91 maybe aliens too, however that verse seems sick, can you tell me the name of the song?
Caporacolo 1 year ago
This was my favorite chapter in a very good book!
NeroJoe83 1 year ago
Evolution supplies all that is needed for the development
of codes of conduct that preserve and facilitate
survival and co-operation,
which is precisely what these "laws" do.
Such sensitivities in no way support your particular god.
In fact, as Christians believe that their most heinous acts
will be magically vanished and forgotten via human sacrifice,
they actually have very little incentive to act in a moral manner.
Hmmm..
That just might explain a hell of a lot.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago 2
There's another organization other than the catholic church that likes to make their billions tax free by telling people they will be protected if they just pay and do what they`re told or pay the price, its called the mafia also in italy,hmm wonder if they learned from each other?
relaxin001 1 year ago
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Atheists using certain things from the Old Testament Bible to try and slander the Bible,the problem is without the key to the Word of God you don't know what you are speaking of ,the Key is in the New Testament ,his name is Jesus the Prince of Peace, the Morning Star,he came and called the Jewish Priests whitewashed snakes,he kicked the money changer out of the temple ,He healed the lame,the blind,the sick,He spoke peace,he is the Prince of Peace,He offers you eternal life,accept it
majorl31 1 year ago
@majorl31 um go read where the NT says to obey your master, you know, the slavery lol
patrickledford420 1 year ago
@patrickledford420 Obey your master ,Satan himself
majorl31 1 year ago
@majorl31 lol, yeh, you cant respond to that. its pretty sad how we can corner christian and they bitch out, atleast by like some of them and try to defend yourself
patrickledford420 1 year ago
@patrickledford420 I did respond to that you just didn't like my response
majorl31 1 year ago
@patrickledford420 We as Christians know who the prince of darkness is and that is Satan,he is the ruler of this earth ,hence why we have some much trouble here,but we can turn to Jesus Christ for help
majorl31 1 year ago
Wow you really are retarded. Try sounding intelligent again please this is amusing!!!!!
bigreag84 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Oh dear, it was not a statement. I was merely commenting upon the evident stupidity of that other comment. I could well add my thoughts on the issue but I feel like enough has been said in the video therein. Stay well, good sir.
x2thay 1 year ago
@theawakener7 lol such stupidity...
x2thay 1 year ago
My band only plays charity events in stadiums and amphitheaters. We're playing for cystic fibrosis on Jupiter Beach on April 17th. Do it every year. Suck it. You're mom thinks you're a good boy. Keep it up. Get married, have kids, get divorced. Ha.
doncourtreporter 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Saying I'm going into a lake of fire isn't a threat? Come on, now...
sleepywolff 1 year ago
Christianity is basically bribery and threats, thats exactly what it is! Its saying, if you do this then youll get this reward. But if you dont do this, you'll get punished. I as well as many others don't take well to the whole 'love me or else' concept that your religion poses.
sleepywolff 1 year ago 71
@sleepywolff Oh, the Bible is a perfect guide to moral living: If your neighbours work on Saturday, kill them.
If your child throws oatmeal at you, kill him.
If your sister has premarital sex, kill her
(but don't think twice about her sex partner).
If the folks in the next town aren't Christians,
kill them all and take their baby girls home for sex slaves.
It's all there, advice for a perfect life.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago 6
@Imaginefree69 You forgot about killing disobedient children, of course a preacher would never admit such scripture in regards to his possible whorish daughter and drug addict son.
HybridD91 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
"Oh, the Bible is a perfect guide to moral living:
If your neighbours work on Saturday, kill them..Etc.Etc"
Moot point dude.
That was the Old Testament times,before Jesus Christ became the bearer of our sins.During those times Israel was in constant turmoil and under the threat of attack,therefore the law was extremely harsh
Jesus freed the world from the harshness of these laws when he died.Now we are instructed to love our neighbors as we love ourselves.Too bad many of us fail to do that.
gtw1983 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
that statement is entirely inaccurate. if you spent a little time reading the new testament of the bible you'd understand that this idea is entirely unchristian. you would find those principles ("love me or else") in islam, hinduism, buddhaism, etc. however the biblical gospel is entirely exclusive to christendom. we love because God loved us, we do not, no further, we CANNOT obtain heaven by our good works. it is a gift of grace. learn your theology before your put your ignorance on such displa
Ruben0918 1 year ago
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that statement is entirely inaccurate. if you spent a little time reading the new testament of the bible you'd understand that this idea is entirely unchristian. you would find those principles ("love me or else") in islam, hinduism, buddhaism, etc. however the biblical gospel is entirely exclusive to christendom. we love because God loved us, we do not, no further, we CANNOT obtain heaven by our good works. it is a gift of grace. learn your theology before your put your ignorance on such displa
Ruben0918 1 year ago
@sleepywolff (1/2)
Heaven and Hell aren't so much real locations as mere ideological equations, i.e.; The God is unbelievable by x amount, therefore the carrot has to be 'y' big to tempt you into condoning it, and the stick 'z' big to scare you into dismissing every other possibility.
PurushaDesa 1 year ago
@sleepywolff (2/2)
Conceptually yes, 'z' or the inescapable torture chamber where you suffer an infinite degree of pain for an infinite duration of time sounds hideous, but is a lot less threatening when exposed as an empty political calculation. That the scariest thing they could think of was a big fire, is a testament to their feeble imaginations. Similarly, the so-called reward of 'y' amounts to nothing more than some bright light and a big garden, and is remarkable only in its mundaneness.
PurushaDesa 1 year ago
@PurushaDesa how about the concept, that time space was created by an infinite God to offer freedom of choice. When time has run it's course, and choice ends, everything returns to it's original state of the eternal. And where we end up in our life, takes us one direction or the other.
digital0707neo 1 year ago
@sleepywolff That's just your own insulting pride talking. It may be because an asshole tried to convert you. Nonetheless, it is obviously nonsense. For those that actually believe, they don't think of it like that. Rather, they adopt a common moral sense that we all have that good will be rewarded and evil punished. Just because they fit it into a religous dogma, you somehow get offended. Just because it was a Christian who bullied you in middle school doesn't make the religion horrible.
tpstrat14 1 year ago
@sleepywolff wrong!
sweetassuzy 11 months ago
@sweetassuzy
if you don't give any evidence why you're right, then i can do this: WRONG! and then they cancel each other out.
so there.
KatoFW 11 months ago
@theawakener7 Why don't Christians like yourself get it through your head that neither threats nor bribery will convert non believers?
sleepywolff 1 year ago 46
@sleepywolff
When you become born again it is a wonderful experience, I was once a nonbeliever. This physical plane is only temporary, and we have only just started the journey.
Im sorry if christians are threatening you, Jesus only asked us to be his witnessess.
To share what God has done in our lives. nothing more, nothin less.
We christians have been awfull examples and are not doing our job.
Im sorry, but dont let that be a reason to deny your creator!
brandisify 1 year ago
@sleepywolff Ironically, the most effective conversion technique would be living well, serving others and having people know that you happen to be Christian. Any active attempt at conversion can rightfully be looked at as condescending and rude. It must be quite passive. This is how religion spreads, by just believing and living good. Apparently, being an asshole and telling someone they're going to hell doesn't really work; you're dead on about that.
tpstrat14 1 year ago
@sleepywolff
because being a believer makes you a retard
MightyFire 1 year ago