I have a PC with much better graphics, sound and OS.
An Atari (yes, Atari) Falcon with much better sound, graphics and OS.
Also I have an Atari ST which was pretty much as good as amiga really and saved a lot of money back then. I also seem to remember Amiga's being a LOT more unreliable.
great game first racegame or was the first one grand prix now idea they wher all great stunts,lotus,need for speed,grand prix,cyclmania, road rash,testrdrive i loved them all nice time in computer dos game history
PC sucked at that time for games, amiga pretty much ruled, cus it was the only machine with true 8bit sound. Check out /watch?v=4aIlvk1yK04 and skip to 6.12 and you have the truly epic version.
Yup. Unfortunately due to lazy coders many ATARI ST games used chip music so to make sure compatibility was maintained for the STFM. The STe on the other hand could compete on an equal level to an Amiga or an IBM PC of the time. Then we might have had MOD music or digitised stuff. Nevermind. Though the Amiga 1200 would floor an STFM or an STe I am greatful for the memories. Plus....I still play Lotus 3! lol.
Also the same coders could have taken advantage of the Ste Blitter chip to speed up the graphics, thus making it more like the Amiga and PC versions. Makes me quite angry to think how wasted the STe improvements were. I own THREE STe computers by the way ;-)
bah, I have STFM but with 4MB ram and PC hardware emulator in it plus overscan (some 750x480pix onscreen in mono). still regret I don;t have beefed up STE machine. mine lacks blitter, this is visible at GEM graphics and some games.
deepblue69uk; the lack of STE support was because Atari screwed up with shortsighted marketing.
To compete effectively with the Amiga, it should have directly replaced the STFM *at the same price* when it first came out (mid to late '89?). My guess is that this was the original intention- it's the only one that makes sense.
Most people would have bought it as the "standard" ST, and there would have been enough of them to make it worth developers' effort. ( *1 )
Instead, they continued selling the STFM at the same price, and charged extra for the STE.
So people on a budget bought the STFM, and those who had the extra money for the STE would have considered the Amiga instead.
Result was the STE never gained critical mass. By the time it *actually* replaced the STFM 18-24 months later, the ST market was in serious decline and it made little difference.
(*1) They did this, but only very briefly; perhaps due to STFM shortages?
this looks like a DBUG or AUTOMATION copy, because it has coloured dashes through it, not that it matters now due to the copyright now abandoned for this game but that MIGHT be the reason for the sound problem.
Hi, like seyavk I would also like information on how to play this game again. I played this game as a child and LOVED the music! Thanks for posting this intro!
That depends on your point of view. A lot of people like chiptunes such as this one, it's not the greatest chiptunes i've ever heard but most commerical games on the ST didn't have great chiptune music. To hear good chiptunes you always have to go to the demo scene.
The ST had a Yamaha Sound Chip which, I believe, was the same one used in the ZX Spectrum. I had several STs (Still have a couple) and the sound never really impressed me. "zeusgb" appears correct in saying that the best chip tunes were from the demoscene. The C64, however, had the arguably far superior SID sound chip, despite being only an 8-bit machine.
Immer wird Atari Nieder gemacht, doch war es Atari die Meilensteine setzten... Amiga toll kauf dir einen Pc für deinen Hund, aber wenn du Wirklich Leistung willst muss es ein Atari sein =) das spiel selbst ist toll.
Stimmt, genau das ist der Grund, warum der Sound einfach nur peinlich ist, und das Spiel deutlich langsamer und farbloser als auf einem Amiga 500 ist...
Jay Miner = inventor of the Atari VCS, Atari 400/800 and... Amiga chipset. Amiga is way more Atari than the ST, which is hardly more than a framebuffer connected to a 68000 CPU.
So what if the Amiga had better sound, the ST chip gives a more distinctive sound. I'd rather listen to an ST chip than an Amiga trying to do stereo sound but not quite managing it.
I'd rather listen to an Amiga trying to do stereo sound any day of the week. Distinctive you say? Hmm, any Spectrum with an AY chip or Amstrad CPC could do that tune! I love the ST though, but please, it can never compare to the Amiga, sorry...
i wondered why the music wasnt all that, yer by far the amiga was the best, classic game ! actally all 3 were gd which one was everyones fav... mine was number 2 !
I still play this game on my STE on and off ... really great game ... about the atari/amiga discussion ... they're both pretty much on par I think. It's just that I like the chippy versions of the music much better :)
"You would say that because you're an Amiga owner." Is there any logical way for him to argue against that? This is becoming like a playground "my computer's better than yours!" argument, complete with dubious argumentative tactics.
I've owned both the ST and the Amiga. Does my opinion count, or only if it agrees with yours? Well, here it is anyway; the Amiga version is clearly technically better. Period.
Yes your opinion does count and I don't care whether you agree with me or not! I myself i'm sick of this whole Amiga is better crap, it's been happening on a lot of my videos and quite frankly i'm sick of it. I'm sick of people voting my videos down and posting "The Amiga version was better" like a bunch of fanboys/fangirls.
You can't say that the Amiga version was technically better because the systems weren't anywhere near the same so that comment is completely biased and irrelevant.
(For space reasons, I'd intended posting a second comment. Then I realised comments had to be approved, so waited for the first to appear.)
The ST's sound has personality, and I see why people like it. (similar my 800XL's). BUT it's basically an 8-bit era square-wave chip and sounds like it. If you enjoy that, cool; but compared to Amiga Lotus (search "lotus amiga better"), there's no question in my mind which is "technically" better. It's capable of square waves if that's what you like, though.
This should be re-released on PS3 and Xbox 360 with the option to have the PC, ST or Amiga soundtrack :)
SPeacock 3 weeks ago
Thanks for that video dude.
RicouNiet 4 months ago
Nice Machine the Atari st BUT that sound chip was dog dirt, Mind you Operation Wolf played alot better on ST.
MorrisseysMonkey 11 months ago
Another ST game I absolutely loved!!!
telboy007 11 months ago
the amiga version rules !!!!!!!!!
lpefreak 11 months ago
ST asshat
TubeDestroyer2010 1 year ago
Only Amiga makes it possible good sound !
Check on youtube this intro of Lotus 3 on Amiga 500 "Lotus III - The Ultimate Challenge / Amiga 500 Intro"
Samfunky 1 year ago
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CrixMakin 1 year ago
lol @ music. I feel so sorry for atari st users back then. try the amiga version, much better.
rvounik 1 year ago
Pompey Pirates Version huh?
TheBoozeFairy 1 year ago
arghhhh..this is musical tourture! Amiga owner x6!
iTalented 1 year ago
@iTalented Surely there are amiga vids you can watch?
Infact theres one displayed on that list for me -------------------->
This confuses me? Why are you here?
bobbystar101 1 year ago
i turn off the picture and just listen to the music its so beautiful lol
vincentmack37 1 year ago
Twas a greeat game back in the day. Everytime i got a checkpoint, i pretended i dropped a freind of. Sad i know, but great times and great memorys.
bazfanv2 1 year ago
This game brings tears in my eyes, it is one of my first PC game. God, I've become old...:(
kubanitos 1 year ago
Sounds worse than on a Commodore 64 ;)
Grassbrook 1 year ago
@soldier501 Over 20 years later, still Amiga fanboys can't let it lie..
CrixMakin 1 year ago 2
@CrixMakin Probably because we have the better graphics, sound (by fucking miles!), and a real OS. cp/m-68k and gem, I mean fucking really now.
richardmaudsley77 1 year ago
@richardmaudsley77 Erm No.
I have a PC with much better graphics, sound and OS.
An Atari (yes, Atari) Falcon with much better sound, graphics and OS.
Also I have an Atari ST which was pretty much as good as amiga really and saved a lot of money back then. I also seem to remember Amiga's being a LOT more unreliable.
bobbystar101 1 year ago
@bobbystar101 The star that lives half as long burns twice as bright.
TubeDestroyer2010 1 year ago
@TubeDestroyer2010 Blade Runner, right? :)
SPeacock 2 months ago
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TubeDestroyer2010 1 year ago
@soldier501 That battle's been fought and won for over 20 years. Let it lie.
CrixMakin 1 year ago
This truely shows how inferior the Atari ST is compared to the Amiga.... Even a C64 can do this better....
soldier501 1 year ago
any where can I download it back?
ScaniaFung 1 year ago
@ScaniaFung
Download what, the game or the intro music?
zeusgb 1 year ago
@zeusgb the game
ScaniaFung 1 year ago
@ScaniaFung
You can get it can get it on Pompey Pirates Disk 114. I've got the ROM if you want it, message me.
zeusgb 1 year ago
@zeusgb what is Pompey Pirates Disk 114?
ScaniaFung 1 year ago
@zeusgb .. man
if you have the ENTIRE CD. you can make a very big contribution upload in some megaupload. thanks!
gretings from chile..
djatarox 11 months ago
@ScaniaFung What website can i download that?
When was that, isn't in 94'?
Joniel120 1 year ago
@ScaniaFung You can convert this file into an mp3 using a youtube video converter.
sockpim 1 year ago
@sockpim Why would you want to? Listen to this on Amiga. Ah, that's better.
TubeDestroyer2010 1 year ago
@TubeDestroyer2010 So you can listen to it on an mp3 player or with decent bass.
sockpim 1 year ago
@sockpim I mean why would you want to as it sounds ShiT.
TubeDestroyer2010 1 year ago
@TubeDestroyer2010 You sound sHit ^^. This song is groovy.
sockpim 1 year ago
I think it's a pretty good version, it's even reorchestrated a bit to fit the style
mikosoft 1 year ago
I've watched this and now I'm back to 1997. Thank you so much!
SenninhaRubberburner 1 year ago
@SenninhaRubberburner 1997!?
The game came out around 91/92
vhsanddvds74 1 year ago
LOL...
PAULA FOR THE WIN!
nutellajunkie 1 year ago
damn those cheat code question about the pattern of the tire.
anyways great game.
secuda1 1 year ago
great game first racegame or was the first one grand prix now idea they wher all great stunts,lotus,need for speed,grand prix,cyclmania, road rash,testrdrive i loved them all nice time in computer dos game history
LieorDie24 1 year ago
so there WAS a third one?
tecmo1 1 year ago
Here's the real deal:
jlYAohY7wYA
cazzozzo 1 year ago
OH YYESSS!!! I used to LOVE this!!! :)
andrewjshepherd 2 years ago
Gran Turismo fails compared to this game, Co-Op championships - what the hell happened to that?!
AnimalSonata 2 years ago 5
I still think the ST Version is better v.v you wont agree with me but hey, ST FTW !
AnimalSonata 2 years ago
There doesnt seem to be much graphical difference with the Amiga but the sound is awful! it almost sounds like an 8 bit console version!
katakisLives 2 years ago 4
Agreed. This is -a fucking travesty- of an amazing song.
Raveseeker 2 years ago
The animation is a little bit jerky too.
ancalimonungol 2 years ago
Love this intro! check out "Shayning" remix for this version
shayhugi 2 years ago
I dont know why, but when I read Lotus 3, I think it was Lotus 1-2-3 ... then WTF?! Lotus 1-2-3 The Ultimate Challenge?! LOL!
And great game! First time I seen the Atari ST version. Awesome.
nicolunacba 2 years ago
Does no one know theres a windows version of this on abandonia ?
AnimalSonata 2 years ago
I uploaded the intro to that version as well.
zeusgb 2 years ago
@zeusgb
PC sucked at that time for games, amiga pretty much ruled, cus it was the only machine with true 8bit sound. Check out /watch?v=4aIlvk1yK04 and skip to 6.12 and you have the truly epic version.
Havocdk 11 months ago
sounds like something similar to SID
fademan 2 years ago
omg need for speed -100 !!! i loved this game XD
jussipejulliano 2 years ago 23
The music is something....!!!! is an endless theme, very early Depeche Mode.
vjrei 2 years ago
The music sounds like its NES or Sega Master System...
Sorry, never seen an Atari ST.
MiracleKD18 2 years ago
More geared towards SMS.
SMS - 3 Pulsewave (Square) channels and one Noise Channel.
NES - 2 Pulsewave (Square) channels, 1 Triangle channel, one Noise Channel, and 1 DPCM (Sample channel).
kibjohn 2 years ago
This music was epic back then, and it's epic now! Sometimes you have to go back to the past to find awesome game soundtracks =)
2BadGanje 2 years ago 5
Yup. Unfortunately due to lazy coders many ATARI ST games used chip music so to make sure compatibility was maintained for the STFM. The STe on the other hand could compete on an equal level to an Amiga or an IBM PC of the time. Then we might have had MOD music or digitised stuff. Nevermind. Though the Amiga 1200 would floor an STFM or an STe I am greatful for the memories. Plus....I still play Lotus 3! lol.
deepblue69uk 3 years ago
Also the same coders could have taken advantage of the Ste Blitter chip to speed up the graphics, thus making it more like the Amiga and PC versions. Makes me quite angry to think how wasted the STe improvements were. I own THREE STe computers by the way ;-)
EgoShredder 3 years ago
You are all right about the facts stated above, they could have made improved versions for the STe.
Still there is A LOT of design flaws and missing features( compared to the Amiga ) in the STe architecture.
BTW, i have an Atari 520 STe with 2MB of Ram, still used :)
Ahle2 2 years ago
bah, I have STFM but with 4MB ram and PC hardware emulator in it plus overscan (some 750x480pix onscreen in mono). still regret I don;t have beefed up STE machine. mine lacks blitter, this is visible at GEM graphics and some games.
krbosak 2 years ago
deepblue69uk; the lack of STE support was because Atari screwed up with shortsighted marketing.
To compete effectively with the Amiga, it should have directly replaced the STFM *at the same price* when it first came out (mid to late '89?). My guess is that this was the original intention- it's the only one that makes sense.
Most people would have bought it as the "standard" ST, and there would have been enough of them to make it worth developers' effort. ( *1 )
NotATube 2 years ago
(continued)
Instead, they continued selling the STFM at the same price, and charged extra for the STE.
So people on a budget bought the STFM, and those who had the extra money for the STE would have considered the Amiga instead.
Result was the STE never gained critical mass. By the time it *actually* replaced the STFM 18-24 months later, the ST market was in serious decline and it made little difference.
(*1) They did this, but only very briefly; perhaps due to STFM shortages?
NotATube 2 years ago
This really brings back memories. MAN I feel so old :p
MrZajin 3 years ago 4
Sooooooooo many hours spent on this game!! I definetely loved the music, especially for the PC/SoundBlaster version!
vnikodj 3 years ago 2
I never have seen real Lotus car somewhere ... but played the game.
r8qt7 3 years ago
Two in Bialystok :PP
mastapiasta 3 years ago
I have, even though it might be less than 20 in the whole country (Sweden)
Nice cars !
Ahle2 3 years ago
Yes, I used to play this when I was a child too!
Rich7714 3 years ago
yeah, the music is cool and classic, but only for the first 2 minutes. Then it becomes really annoying. But still i loved to play this game!
Buck295 3 years ago 3
man the music really suffered in this version
domplegi 3 years ago 16
i think the lotus turbo was the one that made the best music, atari didnt really carry it on.
StaydrunkUK 3 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
no music and ugly graphics
tommyjones1978 3 years ago
this looks like a DBUG or AUTOMATION copy, because it has coloured dashes through it, not that it matters now due to the copyright now abandoned for this game but that MIGHT be the reason for the sound problem.
1040STE 3 years ago
I think this is called "chip-music" ;))
kasi7777 3 years ago 6
check out the megadrive version if you can find it, way superior quality
vadertuber 3 years ago
I played this on my pc when I was like.. 5!
so cool... :)
jaimebakulic86 4 years ago
Hi, like seyavk I would also like information on how to play this game again. I played this game as a child and LOVED the music! Thanks for posting this intro!
elimin8tor 4 years ago 4
PM sent!
zeusgb 4 years ago
D: hahahahaha WOW poor Atari ST, sounds worlds better on the Amiga and Genesis even. I'm not hatin', the ST just doesn't do that song justice ^_^;;;
AGwolf2097 4 years ago 4
That depends on your point of view. A lot of people like chiptunes such as this one, it's not the greatest chiptunes i've ever heard but most commerical games on the ST didn't have great chiptune music. To hear good chiptunes you always have to go to the demo scene.
zeusgb 4 years ago
Man I love chiptunes..they rule. I still do some coding of chiptunes from time to time
spikeman14 4 years ago
If you want to hear good game music on an Atari ST, try Crapman.
AY3EIGHTYNINE10 4 years ago
Atari ST had nice GFX; but the sound is like that of a C64.
neglesaks 4 years ago
The ST had a Yamaha Sound Chip which, I believe, was the same one used in the ZX Spectrum. I had several STs (Still have a couple) and the sound never really impressed me. "zeusgb" appears correct in saying that the best chip tunes were from the demoscene. The C64, however, had the arguably far superior SID sound chip, despite being only an 8-bit machine.
captkiddtheman 4 years ago 2
please send this game (lotus 3)to me or give me link to download, I have been looking for this game for 2 years !! plz reply
seyavk 4 years ago
PM sent
zeusgb 4 years ago
Ah, nice :-) Dunno why, but Atari's sound reminds me Sega Master System's one.
Ziofbv 4 years ago
It's (almost) the same sound chip, that's why :)!
Ahle2 4 years ago
Nice to see a game from my childhood again. Does anyone know where to get the manual for this game?
redjohnd 4 years ago
Try replacementdocs . com
zeusgb 4 years ago
aww... my ears
vicemanFIN 4 years ago 3
Another one with hearing problems? Go to the doctors and get your hearing sorted out.
zeusgb 4 years ago
I love this version
new140 4 years ago
zeusgb, atari has its own nice sound so no need to compare anyway....
sunmax1 4 years ago
My ears!! it hurts!! Stop it PLZ!
sunmax1 4 years ago 2
What's up with your ears? Have you thought of going to the doctor?
zeusgb 4 years ago
:D, yes I did!!! doctor said there is nothing wrong with my ears!! it must be something else!
sunmax1 4 years ago
My ears! :o The Am... oh wait, I see you've already gotten too many comments like these ;)
Anyway, nice video, interesting to see this version of the game. Thanks :)
laffer35 4 years ago
I remember this game! Well done for posting the video!
nounnoun 4 years ago
what's wrong wit the music!?!?!? arrrgh! *runs back to his amiga*
spectre900 4 years ago 2
Nothing's wrong with music, go back to your Amiga.
zeusgb 4 years ago
Immer wird Atari Nieder gemacht, doch war es Atari die Meilensteine setzten... Amiga toll kauf dir einen Pc für deinen Hund, aber wenn du Wirklich Leistung willst muss es ein Atari sein =) das spiel selbst ist toll.
EMPIronMaiden 4 years ago
Stimmt, genau das ist der Grund, warum der Sound einfach nur peinlich ist, und das Spiel deutlich langsamer und farbloser als auf einem Amiga 500 ist...
Jay Miner = inventor of the Atari VCS, Atari 400/800 and... Amiga chipset. Amiga is way more Atari than the ST, which is hardly more than a framebuffer connected to a 68000 CPU.
porcorosso81 2 years ago
ARGGHH my ears!
vicemanFIN 4 years ago 2
Why what's wrong with your ears? Maybe you should go to the doctors and get them sorted out.
zeusgb 4 years ago
a this sounds terrible. Amiga Sound was much better ...
Stalkingwolf 4 years ago 2
So what if the Amiga had better sound, the ST chip gives a more distinctive sound. I'd rather listen to an ST chip than an Amiga trying to do stereo sound but not quite managing it.
zeusgb 4 years ago
I'd rather listen to an Amiga trying to do stereo sound any day of the week. Distinctive you say? Hmm, any Spectrum with an AY chip or Amstrad CPC could do that tune! I love the ST though, but please, it can never compare to the Amiga, sorry...
vermillionsands 4 years ago 4
Some how I very much doubt that.
Anyway you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe. Each to their own.
zeusgb 4 years ago
where i can download this game for PC
pencilman12 4 years ago
I've sent you a PM.
zeusgb 4 years ago
send it to mee too
mafiasefic 4 years ago
PM sent.
zeusgb 4 years ago
i wondered why the music wasnt all that, yer by far the amiga was the best, classic game ! actally all 3 were gd which one was everyones fav... mine was number 2 !
StaydrunkUK 4 years ago
I still play this game on my STE on and off ... really great game ... about the atari/amiga discussion ... they're both pretty much on par I think. It's just that I like the chippy versions of the music much better :)
YM2149 rules :)
1337Shockwav3 4 years ago
i miss this gamee!
djxnovv 4 years ago
Amiga version is much better.
kevituz 4 years ago 3
Were you an Amiga owner by any chance?
zeusgb 4 years ago
i am and i agree the amiga version was better
CFkimahri 4 years ago
You would say that because you're an Amiga owner.
zeusgb 4 years ago
"You would say that because you're an Amiga owner." Is there any logical way for him to argue against that? This is becoming like a playground "my computer's better than yours!" argument, complete with dubious argumentative tactics.
I've owned both the ST and the Amiga. Does my opinion count, or only if it agrees with yours? Well, here it is anyway; the Amiga version is clearly technically better. Period.
NotATube 4 years ago
Yes your opinion does count and I don't care whether you agree with me or not! I myself i'm sick of this whole Amiga is better crap, it's been happening on a lot of my videos and quite frankly i'm sick of it. I'm sick of people voting my videos down and posting "The Amiga version was better" like a bunch of fanboys/fangirls.
You can't say that the Amiga version was technically better because the systems weren't anywhere near the same so that comment is completely biased and irrelevant.
zeusgb 4 years ago
(For space reasons, I'd intended posting a second comment. Then I realised comments had to be approved, so waited for the first to appear.)
The ST's sound has personality, and I see why people like it. (similar my 800XL's). BUT it's basically an 8-bit era square-wave chip and sounds like it. If you enjoy that, cool; but compared to Amiga Lotus (search "lotus amiga better"), there's no question in my mind which is "technically" better. It's capable of square waves if that's what you like, though.
NotATube 4 years ago 2
Take a wild guess why comments are set to approval?
Each to their own.
zeusgb 4 years ago
Please rate and comment.
zeusgb 4 years ago