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  • SHELBY BABY smokin that GTO with bigger engine

  • The only reason that the vettes are fast us weight the zo6 with 450 you say runs 12.s okay the camaro with 425 runs 13s and the mustang shit on them so if the vette had that weight there would be nothing touching the Stang o and the boss 302 11.75 stock Chevy you suck and 10.08 134+ super snake at just about 3800 is fast take 500 of and the zr1 will lose even more

  • @SHTINONCHEVY that time was not on stock tires you goob. those were slicks and 109 octane race fuel. ive seen the video. you're not fooling anyone. all you do is run your mouth aboutGM. if it wasnt for them, Ford would still be making Pintos! just look at the MotorTrend vid where the HPE650 Camaro smoked the SuperShit...i mean snake. and did so with less hp! if it was a traction issue, the stang would have reeled it in but it didnt. all ford has is the mustang. hmm wonder why that is...

  • LOL, even though you stole the hit you still got wrecked!

  • my car made 404rwhp on the dyno. looks kinda like I-10 and hwy 146 lol

  • looks like its in dallas

  • I hardly call Longtube, CAI and Tune modded. With that your probably adding about 50hp to the crank which brings the GTO to 450 crank horse which translates to about 374 hp to the wheel on the LS2 because of the IRS. Thats almost a 100hp difference between the two. Throw a S/C on the GTO, and it will be a race.

  • I'm glad SVT can build cars that don't get the boot from the production line in less than two years. Not to mention the most bang for the buck once you figure out how much money you'll save with an engine that already comes forged from the factory. Bolt on gt500's make around 680hp with minor bolt on's and a port job, with room left for twin screw, turbo, or nitrous. So don't give us that, " Supercharge the GTO." crap. SVT engines are built around boost, so your ls2/3 won't win a boost war stock

  • 400hp vs 500hp supercharged lmao supercharge that gto you will keep up

  • lol that gto is stock and that has a supercharger. supercharge the gto

  • pretty close race.... haha

  • /watch?v=oFi7E5F6as0&translate­d=1

  • /watch?v=oFi7E5F6as0&translate­d=1

  • get that GOAT supercharged or twinturbo and lets who's going down...

  • KB 04 cobra will stomp all your lil Pontirags and bowties anytime an anyday

  • if i had a super snake id mess with every1 and stomp them down

  • Pantera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­

  • GTO you need superchargers and you beat the ford mustang 500 easy ..

  • @bravazo777 yeah then gt500 only needs intake, pully, exahust, and a tune and has over 600 to the wheels

  • @bravazo777 a guy around where i live has a supercharged gto and he also has full exhaust intake TB bigger injectors cam and port and polished heads and he was only able to put down 560 to the wheels so yeah he can beat a stock sheby but not one with the things a listed a secound ago

  • @jdavis707070 Search video supercharged GTO vs 03 Cobra. The GTO is s/c with just 5 psi, and putting down 439 rwhp the Cobra is putting 514 rwhp, and it could not beat the GTO. The best it did was it started to slowly pull in one race, but the GTO was pretty much door to door the other two races. That GTO with just 440 at the wheel would beat the stock GT500.

  • no sweat for the shelby.

  • Z06 > GT500

    ZR1 > SUPERSNAKE

    GTO > TRANS AM

    End Of Story

  • z06=75K new vs Shelby gt500=45Knew.

    ZR1=105K new vs super snake=70K new.

    gee not much to comparable when you factor in cost.

    The arguments go on and on but if your gunna compare, compare something with a close price tag.

  • Im a gt500 fan, but slap a Magnusson Carger on your Goat, and come back and play.

  • you got fucked. but hey i wouldnt mind having either car.

  • Man that's funny. Remind me to just wave a GT500 on by if he wants to play. Ford did a great job on these.

  • My stock 05 M6 GTO went 12.97 @ 109.58 so a well driven bolt on GTO should trap 112-114 MAX. Stock GT500's were going 114-117 on the same days I was going 109 so this race looks about right maybe a better GTO driver would have helped a bit but it would still be an ass kickin'. I lost to a stock 03 Cobra by 2 cars in a 1/4 mile at Atco NJ run but the GT500's were faster stock for stock.

  • when the super charger on the gt500 kicks in its over i mean come on guys i no u all have a little common sense

  • Severo2012 said it best. Be careful if you pick on a Snake. Some can seriously bite, like that one...

  • GT500 are fast

  • smoked

  • man people think ford's are slow because of they're Ford mustangs GT....from all the races i've been in at the track. i learn from experience. when i see a 03 cobra, Lightning, Saleen Mustang, it makes shivers go down my back, people i am a die hard chevy fan, but do NOT under estimate ALL ford models....well technicaly (Special Vehicle Team "SVT") and  Saleen lol but still, they're fast lol

  • owned.

  • Ya a lot of people who owned the 03-04's that wanted to go fast always removed the irs because they complained it was to heavy so just getting rid of it for good was the option they went with and now people complain about that lol...so maybe they should make it an option

  • Personally I love my IRS, there is otherways to make the car lighter.

  • hey jgaypee first off fuck u. if i said $85,000 im obviously talking about the KR model. u scalliwag

  • finally a race that actually makes since on the damn internet. normally the gto would of won fuckin youtube videos

  • man my jaw dropped when the gt500 took off...hahah i love both cars, bout to pick up a m6 gto myself in the week. but damn. it was obvious the gt500 would win. i liked the second race the most...hahah

  • i would hope a shelby gt500 would beat a gto. i mean yes they are like $85,000 when the gtos were only $35,000 brand new. now go watch a $85,000 vette vs. a shelby!!!!!!

  • I paid 47K for my GT500 brand new off the show room floor. The KR is 85K..

    bigradke17 Sorry about the shitty camera I lost my good one in my divorce

  • The real price of the GT500 is 45K. Now there's idiots that paid for that 40k mark up. Not sure if this dude did. But either way. the GT500 better have beaten the GTO. shit the GTO was nearly stock. no F.I. no chance it's as simple as that. Lets say the GT500 is 45k. the difference is 10k from the GTO now put that 10k into the GTO and race again. Believe me the race would b a hell of a lot closer. unfortunately the GTO did have 10k worth of mods. So good kill 4 the GT500 on holding it's own.

  • How dumb are you the gto didnt have 10k worth of mods if it did it would of been game over.Watch the video again before you put stupid comments down

  • Well I meant to say. unfortunately The GTO didn't have 10k worth of mods. so good kill for the GT500. Sorry for the typo. ur gona tell me that if that GTO did have 10k worth of mods. it would have still lost?

  • No with 10k in mods the gto would of one hell you can buy twin turbos for 76dollors and leave the gt in the dust

  • OK! That's all I was pointing out was the price difference. and that the GT500 better have won. considering The GT500 is F.I. I'm still giving Prob's to the GT500.

  • I mean dont get me wrong i like the shelby id take it over the gto to just hear the supercharger whine lol.But there both great cars though.

  • I completely agree with u. I was gonna buy the GT500, But it was taking to long to hit the dealerships in my area. I would have to drive down to L.A. to get one. So instead I got the GTO and I've been happy since. Shit by the time the nearest dealership had a GT500 on display. I already had H/C pushing 440whp. That was at the end of '05. Plus all the dealerships Had a 40k mark up. S.F. went insane with the mark up. at one point the GT500 was selling for 125K too much for that car.

  • Damn what a rip off.Hell for that you could buy a ZR1 for that price lol.You ever thought about puting turbos are a superchager on it

  • Tell me about it. I'm not knocking the GT500. But that car is not worth 125K and for damn sure not a ZR1. Yea I've thought about Twin Turbos LOL ; )

  • So thats all you got is H/C and beating the gt500.How sad lol

  • Nope. I have a TT set up. I still think with my old set up H/C I would've still beaten that GT500.

  • Your prolly right you was putting about the same two the wheels as the gt500 did the TT help the fuel mileage or hurt

  • I know this might be hard to believe. But my MPG's r the same as my Stock MPG's I average 16mpg. if I step on it all day. Then that's a different story. But you can say that about any car.

    oh I know with out a doubt I would've beaten him. I would've been more on my toes and in a power gear. In that video I was in 4th @40mph that's like 2500rpm.

  • MSRP is 45,000 dumb ass... If you seen any shelbys being sold for 85,000 it was probably the KR model shelby, which is quicker and handles better.

  • GoodBye GTO

  • I don't see why there is so much bragging about the GT 500 winning.. It was quite obvious what was going to happen. I mean honestly was it worth your time to make this video?

  • bad ass gt500.

  • You know, if the owner of the GTO actually knew how to drive and knew what gear to race from, then the race would have actually been worth the watch. Both cars can run 12's with good drivers.

  • gt500 it`s made for this thing (race). when i get money shall i buy one =)

  • gt500 it`s made for this thing (race). when i get money shall i buy one =)

  • So that's what it looks like when a GTO has bolt-ons vs. a Stock GT500! good runs....

  • Being an owner of both a 04 cobra and now a gt500 a stock cobra is NOT faster at all than a stock GT500.....yes maybe around the same times in magazines but thats because no one can hook up with the stock tires on the gt500...from a roll a cobra would be easily beat by a gt500 stock vs stock.....

  • I just bought a second 03 cobra and the goat is still in my rear view!!

  • lol a 06 gto vs 03/04 cobra is a good race spec since most people cant launch ether car. the cobra might be a little faster but if anything its half a car behind btw the gt500 is the most over rated car out 500hp s/c high 12's weak

  • ur comment is weak.

  • sweet glad you care that much faggot

  • using offensive words won't make your comments any better. You are still very ignorant in your comments.

  • because i said he can have 2 nie cars but a shitty camera? its sad that something like that would make you upset maybe you should go to a doctor to get that checked out cuz thats really lame and sad i hope you kill youtrself

  • just curious you can afford 2 nice cars but not a camera to tape them? lol get soem proof

  • 6.0 goat's are garbage.. unless they have a head and cam swap. they need to race with mach's or older cobra's to have competition

  • Garbage??? WTF dude. Never garbage. Maybe not as fast but never garbage. And I agree this GT500 is modded. Not taking anything away from the Stang as we can all see it just whooped butt here. Kinda like the other video where the twin turbo GTO walked the other GT500. All depends on what you do to them.

  • ya that TT GTO walked the hell out of that GT500!

  • come on man ive seen hondas whoope the gt 500

  • what was that an LS1 GTO? having exhaust is not stock. Longtubes? better get a cam.

  • g500 FTW

  • lol sorry.. im just sayin... i thought you were shiting on ford..

  • OMFG get shit on GT500 FTW

  • yea but the GT500 is a 5.4L 4V per a head, DOHC, S/C engine... the termi was only 4.6L the GT500 has the same engine as the Ford GT

  • just curious i have bolt ons and i can usually walk on gt500 pretty easy in my ls1 gto 435rwhp and b4 people talk shit the gt500 only has 423 and weights 300lbs more so just curious what kinda mods this guy has

  • actually you might wanna check your facts. depending on what year you buy, the gt500 comes stock with 500hp. hence the 500 part in gt500. the gt500KR has 550hp and if you upgrade to the super snake edition it pushes 750hp.

  • ok you might want to learn something about cars i said 423 rwhp which is how much power it lays down engine numbers dont mean shit and the supernake is weak it puts on 750bhp and still cant hit 10s but good try guy

  • either way you can look at countless videos of gto's losing to many gt500's and 03' and 04' cobra's. i think i've seen 1 video of a gto beating a stock 02' cobra. WOW

  • haha no shit the gto puts out liek 340rwhp the gt500 should win and dude gets your facts straight gtos kill all cobras cept the 03-04 the 02 was still kinda slow damn dude come on learn somethin about cars

  • man that's what i just fucking said. you were the one that was bragging about "working" gt500's. i was saying stock for stock, it's not happening. even mod for mod it's not happening either.

  • lol the gt500 has a s/c on it so its really not stock if a gto had a s/c stock on it it woudl kill the gt500 nd the gt500 barley beats a ls2 gto thats sad

  • stock is stock. and the superchargers that come stock arent really that big of a difference maker unless it's the super snake. still i'd take either one if i could afford them and the insurance

  • yea but the super snake is super expensive yo coudl just order a zr1 and kill andthing on the road besides a bugatti

  • ahh the bugattie is a monster. i can't afford anything being a full time college student working at target lol

  • hahaha yea man i def understand that

  • You cantell your a chevy/gm fan....look at the video of the 2010 gt500 vs the lingenfelter camaro(comes with a supercharger stock) the gt500 is still faster in every aspect....

  • lol the gt500 is a mid 12 second car sorry for 500hp thats pathetic look at the c6 vette 436hp run from 12.3-12.6 sorry ford fails again

  • lol your comparing a vette to a mustang!!!! Theres your first problem....a vette is a two seater sports car weighing 3200lbs thats a big difference between a 3850lb 4 seater...second problem ford fails??? It's competitors are the new camaro and srt8 and it is much faster than both....so you fail....

  • lol the gt500 competes with the new camaros and srt8s? your a fuckin idiot neither of those cars are in the same class they both have 75hp less they just weight the same so stop please the vette is the same price weights less puts out less power to and SMOKES the gt500 sorry stop being a fan boy and realize the Gt is over-rated like shit

  • right.... and even if you want to compare the c6 to the gt500 they run the same times dumbass and a vette is not even considered in the same class as the vette moron go back to your dungeons and dragons and stop wasting my time....

  • dungeons and dragons is the best you can come up with bud? i can say 100% i get out way more then you and have a way better life then you and by class i ment price range lol the vete will always be better then any stang lol look at the super snake 725 hp cant even break into the 10s thats fuckin pathetic now stop writing back because al bout have proven is your an idiot

  • better life then me lol....you must not know who I am lol....and look at your pic you definitly dont get out yo ha.....oh and motor trends sorry ass driving self already ran 10.8's @ 134 in the super snake

  • lol 725hp only runnin 10.8 weak haha and what picture? lol that video isnt of me you fag its makin fun of someone who was talkin shit so you take another L. haha and i dont know who you are? ha like your someone special ha you cant even afford a camera to get videos of your LS1eatter but i wish i did know you so i could hurt u =) faggot

  • lol right go ta bed son

  • son lol im older then you kid but w/e ha youtube is funny it gives pussys like you the chance to finally talk shit to people who would wouldnt dare do in real life

  • if you only knew.....go play with your gto

  • ha knew what that im right? your so fat pussy talkin shit? where ya from kid? anywhere by philly? we could set up a race ha and see this ls1eatter that you have 0 videos for

  • english please.....what does not having videos have anything to do with what i drive...lol sorry im not as cool as the gangsta gto guy

  • because you can say you drive anything but you have no proof lol and gangsta? nah sorry far from it im just real and i can tell your nothing but a pussy

  • How gangsta? I know your not talking about me?

  • What do you own?

  • Man you shouldnt worry about ls1eater he aint got shit to prove that he has a car to outrun one.

  • You mean thats all that car will do with 725 hp thats just damn sad.The 638hp zr1 already does that and some more.

  • unless ur talking about the super snake the gt500 only has 500 hp..

  • I heard the new 2010s gave 540hp

  • @larryadam2

    just the gt500. the new 2010 gt500 supersnakes have 806 hp. with 721 ft. lbs of torque.

  • were did you read this at

  • @larryadam2 "That was verified with an 806HP engine dyno run at Westech. Torque was 721 ft. lbs!"

  • yeah the 2010s have that much but the one above isnt a 2010 and even so 540 isnt close to 725..

  • @ls1eater mustang isnt a 4 seater its a 2x2

  • shoot the gt500's tires out, i would like to see a gt500 beat you with flat tires

  • Hahahahahaha

  • WOW WHAT RACE?

  • Stock GT500 my ass.

  • Both cars are great machines. Without including price, the GT500 is faster than a stock 2006GTO. However, not a single one of you has been arguing the right points. The Mustang has to be s/c'd in order to get the result you see here. Slap FI in a stock internal bottom end GTO with a good tune and your going to need alot more than bolt ons to beat it in the Snake. There is no replacement for displacement. Thats fords downfall. Its GM's downfall for not installing FI to respond to the Cobra.

  • Corvette ZR1

  • Don't worry, the 2010 LS7 Camaro won't need FI lol. Not to mention that the 2010 SS had the same 1/4 mile as the Gt500Kr.

  • are u serious? the 2010 ss runs low 13's... Anywayz in 2011 according to car and driver the 2011 mustang gt will feature a 6.2L above 400hp and still be lighter 8D

  • Yeah yeah. I kinda found out the hard way lol

    The 2011 GT is ugly as hell. It will produce 400 horsepower, no higher than 415. And to whoever gave me a negative comment about the LS7 Camaro, your fucking stupid. That thing is awesome. Tell if i'm wrong, but wasn't the 6.2L your talking about a actually a 5.0L or is it now a 6.2L? (Car and Driver sucks)

  • lol that is a 6.0L GTO.... and see what having 6.0L does for you? look at that DOHC S/C V8 4V/cyl head 5.0L GT500

  • I'm not talking about the GTO........

    Plus the Gt500 is a 5.4L 4v. And doesn't the 5.4L have more valves per cyclinder than the 6.0L engine? not to mention, the GT500 has a supercharger.

  • not to mention that makes it a better car starting from stock and if you read the description you will read that the GTO has bolt ons that are supposed to make it better.

  • Well the rumor was a 5.0L 350ish hp motor but like i said car and driver now says a 6.2L 400+hp engine... so who knows. But for the gt500 having more valves and a supercharger look at the compression of it compared to the LS7 gt500 is 8:4 which makes it perfect for supercharging from the factory while the LS7 is like a 10:1 or somethin. If you want to look at fords ability at N/A look at the cobra R (5.4L pushing 390 as it was underrated)or the cobra concept with its 6.0L pushing 600+ hp

  • Well if there is a 6.2L then that version has 400 horsepower. I believe that will be the "modern" boss mustang. Not sure though. I'm sure GM could do the same as ford if they used 4V OHC setups. OHC is less moving parts and more valves is going to give you more power. GM just chooses not to, despite the fact that they can still make powerful 2V pushrod engines.

  • Uhm..N/A vs. FI?Come on now.

  • damn that GTO stood no chance

  • i would still take the goat....

  • does any one know where i can buy a new gto or firebird? have they been discontinued? HA HAAA

  • OMG wow

  • 6.0/ w/super charger > GT500

  • hahahahahahhaha.

  • The GT500 destroyed that Goat!

  • what people don't know is you cannot beat a car that is not in your class. gt500 is in the corvette class not GTO.

  • And if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle. And no, the GT500 is NOT in the same class as a vette.

  • if a frog had wings it wouldnt bump its ass ont he ground when it jumped.

  • Yea right. Stock for stock the GT500 is .01 sec faster in the quarter mile. What a waste of the extra 100 hp.

  • I just raced one of those GT500's last week and I thought he didnt even try to hit the gas....they arent that fast.

  • those GTO's are nice but the mustang just tops everything.

  • ye but its heavy fast!! but not that fast something isnt right heree !! gto should hang with it at least a bit!!

  • not really gto are heaver then the GT500 and its got more power and tc

  • the gto500 weights 4000lbs and the convert is like 4200

  • No if you look in motor trend magazine july 2008 retro fire they tested the gt500 curve weight was 3887 lbs cope and the weight to power ratio 7.8 lb/hp. the gto weighs 3080 lbs + two people = 1 fast pulling gt500.

  • actaulyl the gto weights 3725 and the gto500 weights 4100 means one over rated mustang

  • Well I don't know where you are getting your misinformation but I'm getting mine from personal knowledge, after-market companies, and various magazines; such as Motor Trend, Road and Track, Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords,and Automobile magazines. Maybe it is 4,100 if there is a 250lbs driver but the car by itself weighs 3887lbs. So try and pass your misinformation to someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

  • my misinfo? your the one who said the gto weights 3200 so check your source buddy i own a gto so i knwo its weight but good try honestly lol and if your getitn you r info from a mag you obviosuly dont knwo shit about cars

  • where did i say that it was 3200 and anyways i said i know about the wight of the shelby and i said if you dont belive me look in the mag you dimwit anyways here is how it is the gto had less hp and more white and thats why a stock shelby GT500 pulled so hard.. and good for you you on a pos gto ford was beating them with there 4.6.. and just becuse o dont own one dosent mean i dont know about cars you redneck

  • lol im waiting buddy cuz u did say it hmmm you dont knwo shit about gtos and btw the gto is faster then the 4.6 the ls2 is a drivers race and the ls2 well thats just not even fair so try again

  • lol damn nothing to say now?

  • im still waiting

  • ran the gtos. back to the comment about the weight of the gto with two people do you realize two people add a lot of weight varying from 300 to 500 lbs to the cars weight? + a n/a the torque varies highly through the rpms more so in a s/c engine. ever heard of a flat torque curve? you don't even know about the gto and you supposedly have so don't try and tell me about mustangs that i have and know more about. so who is the idiot here the person that can

    t understand the simplest of comments

  • right here you said the gto weights 308- with 2 people in it so good try your an idiot

    No if you look in motor trend magazine july 2008 retro fire they tested the gt500 curve weight was 3887 lbs cope and the weight to power ratio 7.8 lb/hp. the gto weighs 3080 lbs + two people = 1 fast pulling gt500

  • i have no clue where you are getting 3080 lbs i said the lightest gto I found weighed about 3400 lbs that was the 5.7 litter and i don't think that the 6.0 litter weighed much more. i lousy 5.7 litter only made 350 hp and the 6. litter only 400 even with that ls2 gto stock only ran mid-13s. The 4.6 litter stock mock 1s only ran low 13s and completely out

  • ive seen bone stock gtos run low as 12.8 and sorry retard you did say a gto weights 3080 lbs so dont try to act like u didnt say it and im pretty sure both gtos beat all the new mustang gts stock for stock so keep talkin shit about gtos and i do have a gto check the videos lol you have a old ass slow gt so dont even talk shit

  • lol do everyone a favor break out of the 14s and then talk shit haha and if you wanna talk shit to me break into the 11's ok

  • keep dreamin' there is no way a bone stock gto can run 12.8 without some drag slicks or gears or without a shot of nos if u have a gto how about you race me, where do you live? your just another Poor Old Niggar Thinks It's A Cadillac

  • haha no i think its a pontiac and yes the ls2 can run 12.8 bone stock ive seen it and lets race them pusys cuz my goat is far from stock ha and i would hope a gt500 would run mid 11's wit all those mods but bottom line is then run 12.5 stock ha same as a stock c6 vette lol and well we all now how the c6 z06 does its nto even a race its so unfair ford will never be better then chevy its just the facts

  • ok the stock gt500 can run mid 11s with just re tune, cold air intake, high flow exhaust, and some better tires. man you redneck boys with them glorified Chevys

  • lol just curious how is a gt500 stock running 11's if it has a tune intake exhaust and tires? hmmm you ford boys sure are stupid lol come on now when you actually havng something to say thats atualyl rigth

  • wow dude.... your IQ must be dirt low!!! I ment you take a stock GT500 and the parts and it will run mid 11's...and my god if your gonna call me stupid learn how to spell...

  • My gt500 with me in it was heavy (3455) After a pulley,tune,intake I ran 11.6 @ 121 with a shit 60ft

  • yea its easy to get the gt500 in the 11s i was mentioning the way they did it in the kr. but yea hp wise the pulley tune and cool air intake are your best bet i would go with the jtl package myself.

  • hahahaha ok dude w/e you wanna say to make yourself look smart just liek you said gtos weight 3029lbs you dont know shit lol you drive a slow ass mustang gt come on now buddy

  • dude if i did it was a typo... your a a joke who can't even spell right dude so you are the one who doesnt know shit my friend and about my mustang ima take it to the 1/4mile and video it soon so you will see

  • ok thats good man take it to the track i hope it runs good honestly but you still arent gonna touch my time

  • just curious how your gt500 only weights 3455? with you in it because stock there close to if not over 4000 pounds

  • that was a typo 4355

    my bad, it was a heavy pig

  • oh ok gotcha and thanks for not freaking out most people would take it all personal

  • what?  Gto is around 3650, gt500 is 4000...

  • lol nice race you to and in the second clip he even jumped and still got his butt handed to him lol

  • u gotta have at least 450whp to even begin to fuck with it

  • my friend wat the fuck manit should be much cloder match, the bhp diffrence is 100hp not enough to pull tat much on him that fast! beside shelby is stock? i guess.. and the gto 400hp stck plus the intake headers exhaust tune should bring it up to 400whp to the wheeels and it leaves the gt500 with 30whp diffrence cus its only about 440 or 430whp stock, and ir weighs more than the gto so bullshit man!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • the gt500 only puts down 423 on the dyno its real sweak

  • Yeah, the GT500's "stock" don't lay down that much but the potential from those cars with mere "tuning" is incredible. A mere CAI or pulley upgrade can wring another 50whp (or more) out of them np. And the engine can handle over 1000hp with forged internals. Makes me sick every time I see someone like the woman that parks one in my garage that will never see that potential..