@rushofspeed Nah. That's being a groundpounder. At least tankers get to ride, and fire huge guns ahah. Better than marching all day and standing on patrol in some desert.
@rushofspeed Not only that, very clueless to whats going on... Imagine being in battle and you hear all the comms going on yet you have no idea what is going on around you are about to die.
both systems have pros and cons, if the leopard 2 has a manual loader is because the designers assume it would be freer of jams and what not. less complexity in the system must be a really important step else it would not be used
@vonkeonig Not if properly maintained and not gotten in the way of. I've got a mate who served with T-72's, he says they had no breakdown of the autoloader in 15 years (and they took good care of it). I'd prefer human loaders however.
Also the Japanese Type 10 and the South Korean K2 have auto loaders too. And im not gonna say any type of Russians junks, who are not trully new modern MBT and just ugraded versions of their 70'' and 80'' meh cold war tanks era. They don't deserve to be compared to the Mighty Leopard 2, or a Challenger, Abrams and Merkava :) These are trully new modern tanks.
@sunburnmuse Sure, merkava is the best antiterrorist tank ever made! And the siloets of above mentioned tanks are enormous, you can see them from 10 miles without optics i quess.
@Madmax1945XXX In a straight, open area yes, the ATGM the T90 fires would have greater range since it's self propelled. However, ATGMs have problems of their own. For one, an individual projectile must be guided to its target for the whole flight. Which takes much longer than a shell. At 3km or so a good tank crew could get off 2-3 shots before the ATGM hits its target.
As everyone else's job becomes more advanced as technology progresses, loaders have the same shitty job as they did 70 years ago, in fact theirs got worse as ammo became heavier! lol
What is really attractive with leo2 is the good balance of old tech and new tech. This is a good machine with most of modern advantages of MBt for a reasonable price. Diesel engine is not a beast for manoeuvers but it is more easy to maintain and has better fuel consumption. IT is what most of armies need, something not to much expensive, easier to maintain, with good performances. Again, it is not the best tank for performances, but it is the best product in the international market.
Just take a look at the equipements of m1 and leo2 at this time in the early 90's. They looked like an antique box with weels compared to this beast. Now they have included most of equipements of the newer leclerc in the upgrades packs. So this tanks are old tech tanks with new electronics. But the leopard2 has been upgraded much better than the m1. ( electric turret , modular armor ect...)
@Gelebify I'am sorry but leopard2 is an old design ( was the best at his time) with upgrades. You can see the huge deferences betwen early models and last models. It will always have some obsolet design inside compared to newer tanks. This is why it don't have autoloader, because the purpose is to reduce size of tanks and give a regular loading speed safely. So leopard2 will never be equiped with this equipement. LEopard2 and M1 were outdate tanks when amx56 leclerc irrupted in the mbt place.
Wouldnt the reload be faster if they pack the ammo in the opposite direction? I mean the front side should be againts that little door. So the loader doesnt have to turn around every time. just grab the ammo and put in the cannon with that momentum.
Lol, yeah, T-90... it automaticly loads 7 rounds per minute. The problem is, a trained loader does 5 rounds more in the same time... so in a face to face battle T-90 would have a small problem. No one with knowledge would deny that actually the Leopard 2 is the best tank in the world. T-90 can only suck Leopards gun.
It is dark because you're not meant to film inside the tank as it is classified information and they don't want the crewmen to be ID'd but you can see the guy loading fine. The ammo he is loading is two-part ammo, the orange bags he puts in after are the propellant and he is still loading faster than auto-loader which loads one-part ammunition.
@52111centrumcz In that video I sent you see him load two full rounds in 8 seconds and he has loaded one just before the video started. There is another video somewhere on TankNutDave's profile of a Challenger2 firing a very fast burst of 4 rounds in 14 seconds.
@Gelebify He spends 8-10 seconds to recharge. is 6 - 7.5 Shots per minute. T-90 produces 8 shots per minute. also, the loader can contuse. and human life, this is the most expensive in the world! remember this!
@Gelebify Actually T-90 can fire 8 rounds per min.Even a good loader will get worn out in some time.Having 4 men in a tank,you need to make the tank bigger,thus making it more vulenreble.
@Gelebify Yeah... And you will explain to us how leaopard 2 fires in adestroyed field like surface of the moon at 35km/h, and then load 35 rounds in a minute when it has only 17 inside... being shaked like a vodka martini. Autoloaders are much better than humans. Leopard 2 is the better tank for the money but it's not the best in the world. Russian tanks are also excellent for the price.
@santanderino91 Search for "Russian General says it would be better to buy Leopard 2". There is not a single expert in the world who would doubt that Leopard 2 is the best main battle tank at this moment, apart from some patriotic dumbfucks.
Despite this the loader in the Leopard can also operate two additional machineguns, so he is not restricted to just load rounds into the chamber.The concept of the Leopard 2 is 20 years older and it is still state of the art.
OMG!! IN Leopard 2 not automatic insertion in a shell gun?? And if fight and gets to the tank a shell?? There inside that the person who charges such blow, can simply break!
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@xXxxWARNINGxXx No, it's still a Leopard 2. A leopard 2A5 with some modifications. However with the new MLU [Mid Life Update] that FMV is fitting it with, it will become a tank similar to the 2A6 or the 2A7.
@wellerocks its leopard 2a4 ,but modernized in swe, in real leopard 2 a 4 no night vision system, in that swedish tank it is! anyway yes it is same leo ;) but they calling it tank 122
@xXxxWARNINGxXx No, Sweden received second hand Leo 2A4's from Germany, designated Strv 121, which are now all put in hangars and garages by now. The Strv 122 is a Leo 2A5 with Swedish modifications, like the Celcius system. The Strv 122B has recieved some modifications for extra mine/IED protection. The newly modified Strv 122's after the MLU will have better armor, newer systems and rumors are that they'll receive the more powerful L55 gun.
Swedish Leopards are stil Leopards, no matter what they call them. All they changed is the command and control system, the chaff launchers and they were the first ones to slap additional top attack protection on it, which other users of the Leo2 have done too by now. Everything essential is still 100% the original design.
I just love shooting Leopards in World of Tanks with my KV-3. One shot to the tracks to stop them. Second shot to the side of the turret to finish them.
@HachiZenki You sir, are an idiot. First, A KV-3 against a Leo2 is just...absurd. Second, you got the tank wrong (Pretty sure they didn't have leo2 in WW2 O_o). Third, you're talking about a fucking game like your experience from it matters.
@limpy37 The average live time of a tank in a real battle is something about 15 minutes. So an autoloader makes sense. Do you really belive you would survive 3 hours in a modern tankbattle?! LOL
@starguard. if u watch the green thing in the middle of the picture (this is the back of the cannon) it moves up and down compensating for the bumpy ride, to help the shooter aim straight...:)
When I was a loader, i could load a 105mm in 3 seconds from the Ready Rack. Anyway, you really need the 4th guy for maintenance. 3 guys would have a tough time keeping a tank combat effective for 5 or 6 days of continuous fighting and movement I would think. I assume the Russians get away with it by designing their tanks to need less maintenance although I'm not sure about their more modern ones.
hmm........a lot of countries use the leopard 2's germany, denmark, finland Switzerland, canada, Netherlands, spain, greece etc there must be a reason for that, but thats just my opinion.
doesn't look geeky protecting your eyes. Looks smart to still want to use your eyes after something goes wrong.
I want to be on 1 of those too. Don't realy care which function. Applied for commander though :-P don't like university so far. people in my project group don't do anything
бугагагагага и эти танки в топе иностранцев обходят российские Тэшки??? ))) обалдеть. на днях на лента.ру только прочитал что абрамсы до сих пор не оснащены пультом управления пулемета из танка... смеялся долго)))
@kollee In Western armies, you loads the gun. In Soviet Russia, gun loads you.
In america I found in store, powdered orange drink in one aisle, powdered milk in another aisle. Down the third aisle I saw Baby Powder! I thought "What a Country!"
I believe the main issue with an autoloader is the storing of ammunition in potentially dangerous proximity to the crew and the added weight and complication of avoiding this problem
the problem with the auto loader is that it requires lots of maintenance and easily gets malfunctions. A tank is basically manufactured to be able to withstand a hit from another tank, but a system like that is never foolproof. If the tank suffers a hit that would destroy even the slightest of wires or electrics, the autoloader would become useless and the tank becomes useless. That's why the Leopard 2 got a manually loading system. To be able to continue to fight after being hit.
@wellerocks bullshit.Actually the autoloader is one of the devices that fail most rarely.And it is totaly fool proof.And if you think that an ordinary crew can withstand a hit capable of causing the autoloader's jamming,you're wrong.And keeping this excellent gun manually loaded by the gerries is a total mystery to me.
@fener4e Is it then? As far as I know, all the tanks with auto-loading systems of today has not only spent billions of dollars in the pursuit of perfecting it, but also has had major faults with it. just look at the leclerc tank. It had to be "grounded" for 3 months in the entire french army to solve a couple of issues of it.
@wellerocks Our T72s "enjoy" the poorest maintainance posible for the last almost 10 years,due to the constant lack of money for spare parts.Their engines are worn out and burn oil and leek all the time,their turet managing mechanics work with tolerances far beyond any requirements,but their autoloaders still function flawlessly.The MU electric motors used for the device are almost eternal and need very little maintenance.
@fener4e For the T-72 to reload it must raise its barrel 5 degrees up to put another round in, thus reducing accuracy and aiming. The T-72 might be one of the worst tanks of modern time so I don't find your reasoning in bringing it up in this conversation. Do you honestly think that if a T-72 took a hit in the area of the autoloader, it would continue reloading the shells? I beg to differ. There's even videoclips of the T-72 just randomly catching on fire because of engine/loading problems.
@wellerocks Every tank has a so called loading angle of the gun.And you are totally wrong pointing out this to be a proble afecting the accuracy.And about being the worst tank of modern time.Says who?And what are his reasons?And if you think a western tank can withstand a hit from the side andr emain operational,you either have no clue or pretending so
@fener4e No, far from everyone. The Leclerc tank has the advantage of being reloaded at any degree of elevation. The T-72 could only be operated by crew that are less than 160 cm tall. It had exposed shells inside which meant it could explode if hit by a single round. The T-72's "trusty auto-loader" has a habit of not only jamming but cutting of arms of crewmen trying to fix it. A danish Leopard 2A6 was hit by an IED and RPGs but managed to continue fighting and fire of rounds while retreating
@glavonjagrob If that strock is that hard to fucks up electrics of autoloader it will make soup from other electric sistems...so that is just exuse cause thay couldnt make it work...and with out that, that tank is tooooo havy. M84ab1 have autoloader 8 rpm(maybe the best one in the world) modern armor and eqp. And of course it is mather fast reloading, maybe not for one target, but you can find your self in area with many targets and always you can miss if you are shoot in move on hard terain.
@wellerocks The main gun can still fire even after losing electricity. The gunner can also manually traverse the turret and continue on with his drills while the loader manually fires his co-ax and his other mounted machine gun. The crew commander also has a machine gun. What I'm saying is that it will take more then disturbing "the slightest of wires" to take a tank and crew out of the fight.
@wellerocks That is a load of bollocks. In fact, the autoloaders you speak of are proven reliable. You're quite right - it's built to withstand a hit - which it does. On soviet tanks - all the weak spots were eliminated since late 60s.
' If the tank suffers a hit that would destroy even the slightest of wires or electrics' --> this isn't true. The only thing that can fuck up electronics today is an electromagnetic blast.
Lastly, every tank with an autoloader can be reloaded manually.
A modern autoloader for a 120125 mm caliber weapon in good condition can achieve about 1012 rounds per minute. This rating may or may not include the time required to bring the gun to the appropriate loading angle and then bringing it back up to firing angle after loading. This is fast, but not quite as fast as a human loader, for which claims of 15 rounds per minute
In any case, it is quite unlikely that an autoloader can be as reliable as a human loader. If the autoloader fails, manual loading becomes very awkward because the autoloader takes up most of the required space.
This job seems to be so stressing...
RomelioSanz 6 days ago
блять как же чисто , и заряжающий чистый прям балет какой то
murra84 6 days ago
@murra84 Именно потому что чисто им нас никогда не победить. На войне чисто не бывает. :)
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Eldobaz 2 days ago
seems to me like the most boring job in the army
rushofspeed 1 month ago
@rushofspeed Nah. That's being a groundpounder. At least tankers get to ride, and fire huge guns ahah. Better than marching all day and standing on patrol in some desert.
cockofdoody4ftw 1 month ago
@rushofspeed Not only that, very clueless to whats going on... Imagine being in battle and you hear all the comms going on yet you have no idea what is going on around you are about to die.
kerethan 2 weeks ago
it is abram bullet
nicofrio 1 month ago
@nicofrio abrams have Leos bullet
murra84 6 days ago
both systems have pros and cons, if the leopard 2 has a manual loader is because the designers assume it would be freer of jams and what not. less complexity in the system must be a really important step else it would not be used
jonhestananet 1 month ago
@jonhestananet From what I understand, a good human loader is faster than any autoloader yet built.
lunhil12 1 month ago
@lunhil12 Under stress with a good adrenalin push they usually are faster than autoloaders. But autoloaders don't get tired.
0501856849 1 week ago
@0501856849 Yea, they just brake or wound the crew :P
vonkeonig 6 days ago
@vonkeonig Not if properly maintained and not gotten in the way of. I've got a mate who served with T-72's, he says they had no breakdown of the autoloader in 15 years (and they took good care of it). I'd prefer human loaders however.
0501856849 5 days ago
Russians had auto loaders scene late 60s. wiki/Autoloader . Russians pioneered and had functional models before any one else.
70 and 80 Russian model tanks were having 2nd and 3rd generation auto-loaders installed while most of the world was in the testing stages
brickwall911 1 month ago
Also the Japanese Type 10 and the South Korean K2 have auto loaders too. And im not gonna say any type of Russians junks, who are not trully new modern MBT and just ugraded versions of their 70'' and 80'' meh cold war tanks era. They don't deserve to be compared to the Mighty Leopard 2, or a Challenger, Abrams and Merkava :) These are trully new modern tanks.
sunburnmuse 2 months ago
@sunburnmuse Sure, merkava is the best antiterrorist tank ever made! And the siloets of above mentioned tanks are enormous, you can see them from 10 miles without optics i quess.
dshupac 1 month ago
On the French Leclerc MBT reloading its fully automatic ;)
sunburnmuse 2 months ago
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@sunburnmuse Little use if it is manned by frenchmen.
ruudzwart 1 month ago
Незнаю почему, но я уверен что если они захотят то очень быстро сделают автомат заряжания. Иначе что это за немцы такие?
konjinni 2 months ago
@konjinni Интересно почему нигде кроме машин бывшего Союза нет автомата заряжания?
neksus76 1 month ago
@neksus76 Тоесть как нет? а? Французы Корейцы там... (тут ещё можно спутать автомат с механизмом заряжания)
konjinni 1 month ago
hand-loaded like in world war II
xmeda 2 months ago
no windows?
i would have puked julkorv all over the place
maverickswe 2 months ago
@maverickswe me too. Prinskorv and jansons as well
rwgfvjbdkqwedsj 2 months ago
@Madmax1945XXX In a straight, open area yes, the ATGM the T90 fires would have greater range since it's self propelled. However, ATGMs have problems of their own. For one, an individual projectile must be guided to its target for the whole flight. Which takes much longer than a shell. At 3km or so a good tank crew could get off 2-3 shots before the ATGM hits its target.
CaptHawkeye 2 months ago
As everyone else's job becomes more advanced as technology progresses, loaders have the same shitty job as they did 70 years ago, in fact theirs got worse as ammo became heavier! lol
sgibson808 2 months ago
What is really attractive with leo2 is the good balance of old tech and new tech. This is a good machine with most of modern advantages of MBt for a reasonable price. Diesel engine is not a beast for manoeuvers but it is more easy to maintain and has better fuel consumption. IT is what most of armies need, something not to much expensive, easier to maintain, with good performances. Again, it is not the best tank for performances, but it is the best product in the international market.
santanderino91 2 months ago
Just take a look at the equipements of m1 and leo2 at this time in the early 90's. They looked like an antique box with weels compared to this beast. Now they have included most of equipements of the newer leclerc in the upgrades packs. So this tanks are old tech tanks with new electronics. But the leopard2 has been upgraded much better than the m1. ( electric turret , modular armor ect...)
santanderino91 2 months ago
@Gelebify I'am sorry but leopard2 is an old design ( was the best at his time) with upgrades. You can see the huge deferences betwen early models and last models. It will always have some obsolet design inside compared to newer tanks. This is why it don't have autoloader, because the purpose is to reduce size of tanks and give a regular loading speed safely. So leopard2 will never be equiped with this equipement. LEopard2 and M1 were outdate tanks when amx56 leclerc irrupted in the mbt place.
santanderino91 2 months ago
does anybody get motion sickness inside the tanks? i get sick just riding in the back off a car.
drod103164 2 months ago
The design of this loader's compartment is pretty stupid. the shells should be around the other way..
zoojoo717 3 months ago
sure, autoloaders may be faster, but.
A. humans cant jam
B. Humans dont need maintenence
C. Humans cant break down(easily)
D. Humans dont rip the arms off other crew members
E. Humans dont sometimes load the wrong rounds.
To be honest, i'd rather have a human loader.
zoojoo717 3 months ago
@zoojoo717
A - humans can panic, can die, can broke self legs and arms.
B - humans need space, need food, need toilet, need to sleep
C - humans can to rat, can panic, can die, can broke self legs and arms.
D - loader die first. cuz first strike will be to cannon mount. see WW2 tactics.
E - humans are weak in all.
RobotN001 3 months ago
@RobotN001
A Machines can Jam
B. Machines need mantenance
C. Machines need spare parts
D. a machine loader is even easier to kill then a human one
E. Machines are weak too
zoojoo717 3 months ago
@zoojoo717
A - Good designed machines cant jam.
B - Machines don't need maintenance for long long time.
C - Machines need spare parts not so often like ammo. Like armor damage need repair process.
D - Machine-loader can be more robust. It's depend on design.
E - Tank is machine, machine-loader is part of tank. Good tank is much more strongest humans.
RobotN001 3 months ago
@zoojoo717
E is incorrect - read a report of a guy load a HEAT instead of a SABOT in Gulf War 1 - because of wrong ballistic properties it of course fell short.
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
very cool
30secondstomarscam 3 months ago
wow, nice
PCking001 3 months ago
Wouldnt the reload be faster if they pack the ammo in the opposite direction? I mean the front side should be againts that little door. So the loader doesnt have to turn around every time. just grab the ammo and put in the cannon with that momentum.
hapcimorgo 4 months ago
Lol, yeah, T-90... it automaticly loads 7 rounds per minute. The problem is, a trained loader does 5 rounds more in the same time... so in a face to face battle T-90 would have a small problem. No one with knowledge would deny that actually the Leopard 2 is the best tank in the world. T-90 can only suck Leopards gun.
Gelebify 4 months ago 2
@Gelebify
Actually that is an interesting claim; I would like to see a video in which a crew loads more than 8 rounds a minute.
52111centrumcz 3 months ago
@52111centrumcz Considering there are videos of a Challenger2 Loader loading 3 shells in 12seconds I'm pretty sure it's possible to do.
scrapper1280 2 months ago
@scrapper1280
grrrrrr...I am asking for a video! I am not saying its impossible, I'm saying it must be damn hard and I'd like to see footage!
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
@52111centrumcz The video does exist. /watch?v=IxQ4JQz-to8
1:26
It is dark because you're not meant to film inside the tank as it is classified information and they don't want the crewmen to be ID'd but you can see the guy loading fine. The ammo he is loading is two-part ammo, the orange bags he puts in after are the propellant and he is still loading faster than auto-loader which loads one-part ammunition.
scrapper1280 2 months ago
@52111centrumcz In that video I sent you see him load two full rounds in 8 seconds and he has loaded one just before the video started. There is another video somewhere on TankNutDave's profile of a Challenger2 firing a very fast burst of 4 rounds in 14 seconds.
I will try to find it.
scrapper1280 2 months ago
@Gelebify He spends 8-10 seconds to recharge. is 6 - 7.5 Shots per minute. T-90 produces 8 shots per minute. also, the loader can contuse. and human life, this is the most expensive in the world! remember this!
IvanMPT 3 months ago
@IvanMPT read the description this is the guys first time loading live ammo
boratfan6492 3 months ago
@boratfan6492 well that he did not drop a shell!
IvanMPT 3 months ago
@Gelebify Actually T-90 can fire 8 rounds per min.Even a good loader will get worn out in some time.Having 4 men in a tank,you need to make the tank bigger,thus making it more vulenreble.
igor7702 2 months ago
@Gelebify Yeah... And you will explain to us how leaopard 2 fires in adestroyed field like surface of the moon at 35km/h, and then load 35 rounds in a minute when it has only 17 inside... being shaked like a vodka martini. Autoloaders are much better than humans. Leopard 2 is the better tank for the money but it's not the best in the world. Russian tanks are also excellent for the price.
santanderino91 2 months ago
@santanderino91 Search for "Russian General says it would be better to buy Leopard 2". There is not a single expert in the world who would doubt that Leopard 2 is the best main battle tank at this moment, apart from some patriotic dumbfucks.
Despite this the loader in the Leopard can also operate two additional machineguns, so he is not restricted to just load rounds into the chamber.The concept of the Leopard 2 is 20 years older and it is still state of the art.
Gelebify 2 months ago
no auto? tank not for 2011 year... T-90 best! )
IvanMPT 4 months ago
its not automatic? leopard best tank? hahaha
Kastedio 4 months ago
small question: how much does the AP round weight?
antizombiesquad 4 months ago
is it obligatory to wear glasses?
NarrowKilla 4 months ago
OMG!! IN Leopard 2 not automatic insertion in a shell gun?? And if fight and gets to the tank a shell?? There inside that the person who charges such blow, can simply break!
MegaPypkin 4 months ago
That whining that can be heard in the M1 movies (I think it is the turret hydrolics), can it be heard in the Leo 2 too? :)
It would drive my CO-co...
swertinge07 4 months ago
Is it possible to loose a hand when loading? Or is it safe?
pinxopkb 5 months ago
@pinxopkb ok nevermind saw it from a different angle XD
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funnyboy1137 5 months ago
i dont like the way the leopard 2 loads i like the m1 series better
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ulanthorn 5 months ago
@wowgamer14
Thats a funny statement because both use the exact same gun system The M256 is just a license build of the Rheinmetall L44.
ulanthorn 5 months ago
@ulanthorn No i know that man im saying the way he loaded the round seemed akward and i think i am just you to the M1's turret.
wowgamer14 5 months ago
@ulanthorn it may just be the angle from which the camera is at and the ready rack door opens in the opposite direction
wowgamer14 5 months ago
Russian auto loaders only have to survive to the first hit since that destroys the tank. Once the turret pops off it doesn't really matter.
tangocharlie11 6 months ago
Он там не уснёт?
superderedevil 6 months ago
have you ever wondered if other country are checking each others systems out from videos off you tube
lovegunz1 7 months ago
it is not leopard2 it is swedish made tan 122, better than leopard ;)))
xXxxWARNINGxXx 7 months ago
@xXxxWARNINGxXx No, it's still a Leopard 2. A leopard 2A5 with some modifications. However with the new MLU [Mid Life Update] that FMV is fitting it with, it will become a tank similar to the 2A6 or the 2A7.
wellerocks 7 months ago
@wellerocks its leopard 2a4 ,but modernized in swe, in real leopard 2 a 4 no night vision system, in that swedish tank it is! anyway yes it is same leo ;) but they calling it tank 122
xXxxWARNINGxXx 7 months ago
@xXxxWARNINGxXx No, Sweden received second hand Leo 2A4's from Germany, designated Strv 121, which are now all put in hangars and garages by now. The Strv 122 is a Leo 2A5 with Swedish modifications, like the Celcius system. The Strv 122B has recieved some modifications for extra mine/IED protection. The newly modified Strv 122's after the MLU will have better armor, newer systems and rumors are that they'll receive the more powerful L55 gun.
wellerocks 7 months ago
@xXxxWARNINGxXx
Swedish Leopards are stil Leopards, no matter what they call them. All they changed is the command and control system, the chaff launchers and they were the first ones to slap additional top attack protection on it, which other users of the Leo2 have done too by now. Everything essential is still 100% the original design.
TrangleC 7 months ago
camouflaged name, cammo uniform name?? please
hispanno5 7 months ago
I just love shooting Leopards in World of Tanks with my KV-3. One shot to the tracks to stop them. Second shot to the side of the turret to finish them.
HachiZenki 7 months ago
@HachiZenki You sir, are an idiot. First, A KV-3 against a Leo2 is just...absurd. Second, you got the tank wrong (Pretty sure they didn't have leo2 in WW2 O_o). Third, you're talking about a fucking game like your experience from it matters.
DACFalloutRanger 7 months ago
@DACFalloutRanger Yet another turd burglar that doesn't know how to take a joke.
HachiZenki 7 months ago
@HachiZenki Aha...your sarcasm sucks. Suffice it to say i felt like unloading on someone. Have a good one.
DACFalloutRanger 7 months ago
@limpy37
there were Leo2 prototypes with autoloader but they droped it... you need 4 man crew for proper maintenance
nagmashot 7 months ago
SWEDENNNNNNNNNNNNNN"
xXxxWARNINGxXx 7 months ago
17 people never loaded tank gun.
izvarzone 8 months ago
@izvarzone have you loaded?
xXxxWARNINGxXx 7 months ago
i wonder why he didn't reload after firing that second round.
2231099 8 months ago
still*
WatchingKeep 8 months ago
I can understand having loader in M1 Abrams, USA have unlimited supply of nigger-slaves for this. But why Germany steel use them?
WatchingKeep 8 months ago
>21 century
>loader in tank
We should fight on walking robots and shoot lasers, except this some one steel use loaders in tanks.
WatchingKeep 8 months ago
He looks sea-sick and seconds away from giving the old "heave-ho!" XD
WarriorPoet01 8 months ago
how long can a tank crew stay inside a tank during war?
how do they pee?
do they have food with them?
new9876 9 months ago
At first I was all like "why does the breech-block look the same as the Abrams'?" Then I was all like "Oh yeah. We stole their main gun ;)"
carvin112 9 months ago
I would love to have my own tank!
MrSeventhElement 9 months ago
@limpy37 The average live time of a tank in a real battle is something about 15 minutes. So an autoloader makes sense. Do you really belive you would survive 3 hours in a modern tankbattle?! LOL
Anderas777 9 months ago
The main advantage off autoloader is that there is one dead body less inside when you got hit.
Anderas777 9 months ago
Either that tank is rolling on some very smooth terrain, or its has one hell of a good suspension system
starguard 9 months ago
@starguard. if u watch the green thing in the middle of the picture (this is the back of the cannon) it moves up and down compensating for the bumpy ride, to help the shooter aim straight...:)
aghede 9 months ago 21
@starguard the leopard2 has incredible suspension I watched a documentary on the military channel about it lol
ak907jk 7 months ago
@starguard - Leopard2 the best tank in the world.
But you know, the tank is never better than its crew :-)
SKÅL!
SgtDrDeath 5 months ago
When I was a loader, i could load a 105mm in 3 seconds from the Ready Rack. Anyway, you really need the 4th guy for maintenance. 3 guys would have a tough time keeping a tank combat effective for 5 or 6 days of continuous fighting and movement I would think. I assume the Russians get away with it by designing their tanks to need less maintenance although I'm not sure about their more modern ones.
aranksentimentalist 10 months ago
he looks like sam from transformers
takaKizne007 10 months ago
manual loading is something from ww2.
hanneszett 10 months ago
i've never been in a tank myself so forgive my ignorance, but is this the entire job this guy has to do? wouldnt it be easier to just automate it?
wsewse 10 months ago
makes me proud to be dutch
arjentromp12 10 months ago
what a crapy soldier jobb
olov87 11 months ago
GOOD JOB MAN...
A TANK GUNNER FROM GREECE
ChristosM48 1 year ago
hmm........a lot of countries use the leopard 2's germany, denmark, finland Switzerland, canada, Netherlands, spain, greece etc there must be a reason for that, but thats just my opinion.
drfye 1 year ago
I thought Leopard 2 has auto loader
Warrantofficer13 1 year ago
too slow, it could be hit twice while such bonny loader took a shell.
T-80 for example have loading automat and can reload main very quckly.
Muddach 1 year ago
@Muddach and u can leave very quickly. thanks.
MrTiti 1 year ago
@Muddach
Soviet made shit...
Toyman07 1 year ago
@Toyman07
Ti jeste sranja!
Sismiques 1 year ago
@Muddach Reloading quickly isn't important at all if the round can't punch through the enemy's armor... :P
mistermuu 1 year ago
@mistermuu hahahaha
glavonjagrob 10 months ago
@patrikasLTL
"russian autoloaders hold around 25 rounds"
T-64's, T-80's "vertical" autoloader hold 28 rounds.
T-72's "horizontal" loader hold 22 rounds.
dzsiimeen 1 year ago
@patrikasLTL
Thanks for info :)
FlyingSnake110 1 year ago
doesn't look geeky protecting your eyes. Looks smart to still want to use your eyes after something goes wrong.
I want to be on 1 of those too. Don't realy care which function. Applied for commander though :-P don't like university so far. people in my project group don't do anything
EliteGhost001 1 year ago
Wouldn't it be faster to have the next round ready in your lap?
Hairysteed 1 year ago
@Hairysteed Yeah thats a really good idea if your tank gets hit.. What do you think will happen then? :)
taztaz79 1 year ago
nothings geeky that can destroy something with ease.
EricCris10sen 1 year ago
thanks for letting me look this video!
215alessio 1 year ago
what is the disadvantage of auto loader ?
bojanglesme 1 year ago
@bojanglesme
some disadvantages of autoloader:
one less crew member to maintenance the tank;
if it breaks loading shells is difficult and very slow;
and in some cases (mostly old designs):
small amount of ammo in autoloader storage;
difficult and long process of loading shells to autoloader;
higher risk for the crew in case of ammo explosion.
FlyingSnake110 1 year ago
бугагагагага и эти танки в топе иностранцев обходят российские Тэшки??? ))) обалдеть. на днях на лента.ру только прочитал что абрамсы до сих пор не оснащены пультом управления пулемета из танка... смеялся долго)))
Mainric 1 year ago
give it to the sweeds
wazupwazup747 1 year ago
KE round=Kinetic Energy.
4 seconds to load one round.
In Russian tanks the commander often gets loaded ;]
Leopard2 Rules!
kollee 1 year ago
@kollee In Western armies, you loads the gun. In Soviet Russia, gun loads you.
In america I found in store, powdered orange drink in one aisle, powdered milk in another aisle. Down the third aisle I saw Baby Powder! I thought "What a Country!"
Thanks Yakov Smirnov!
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@kollee You're crazy! As Russian tanks is automatic loader! This is a Leopard and Abrams charge the hands
BearSKINS88 1 year ago
@BearSKINS88 DUH?
I was loader on a Leopard tank!
kollee 1 year ago
what the swedish call an arrow the us calls it sabot
bakergreen5 1 year ago
Darth Vader Tank Crew..
ViTaCoLa08 1 year ago
I find NATO tanks make the T-series look like ancient history
popscoop12 1 year ago
@popscoop12 douche this is not a nato tank.. north atlantic trities organation. its an usa funded org... the leopard is german!!
kensta2k9 1 year ago
uh Germany is in NATO & other countries have the leopard such as Canada......
popscoop12 1 year ago
yes it is. And you dont have to call me names.
popscoop12 1 year ago
good vid shit sound
SOGnRECON 1 year ago
soo what happens if the shoot while hes behind that thing
smokeb3atz 1 year ago
Chobham armor. Imported from the UK.
transonicbuoy1 2 years ago
I couldn't finish watching the whole thing
crapdice 2 years ago
What da fuck that noise
dubedu1234 2 years ago 3
wtf! that's a really stupid noob!
TheWarpig88 2 years ago
Its the automated self-guided-missile-control-system going online.
aghede 2 years ago
Wut the fuck is that noise
Sh3pardMelody 2 years ago
I believe the main issue with an autoloader is the storing of ammunition in potentially dangerous proximity to the crew and the added weight and complication of avoiding this problem
matt99is 2 years ago
Japanese Type-90 is able to fire 15 rounds per minute with auto-loader.
I hardly believe that human loader can load as quick as auto-loader, because he must get tired.
arstriker 2 years ago
the problem with the auto loader is that it requires lots of maintenance and easily gets malfunctions. A tank is basically manufactured to be able to withstand a hit from another tank, but a system like that is never foolproof. If the tank suffers a hit that would destroy even the slightest of wires or electrics, the autoloader would become useless and the tank becomes useless. That's why the Leopard 2 got a manually loading system. To be able to continue to fight after being hit.
wellerocks 2 years ago 32
@wellerocks bullshit.Actually the autoloader is one of the devices that fail most rarely.And it is totaly fool proof.And if you think that an ordinary crew can withstand a hit capable of causing the autoloader's jamming,you're wrong.And keeping this excellent gun manually loaded by the gerries is a total mystery to me.
fener4e 1 year ago
@fener4e Is it then? As far as I know, all the tanks with auto-loading systems of today has not only spent billions of dollars in the pursuit of perfecting it, but also has had major faults with it. just look at the leclerc tank. It had to be "grounded" for 3 months in the entire french army to solve a couple of issues of it.
wellerocks 1 year ago
@wellerocks Our T72s "enjoy" the poorest maintainance posible for the last almost 10 years,due to the constant lack of money for spare parts.Their engines are worn out and burn oil and leek all the time,their turet managing mechanics work with tolerances far beyond any requirements,but their autoloaders still function flawlessly.The MU electric motors used for the device are almost eternal and need very little maintenance.
fener4e 1 year ago
@fener4e For the T-72 to reload it must raise its barrel 5 degrees up to put another round in, thus reducing accuracy and aiming. The T-72 might be one of the worst tanks of modern time so I don't find your reasoning in bringing it up in this conversation. Do you honestly think that if a T-72 took a hit in the area of the autoloader, it would continue reloading the shells? I beg to differ. There's even videoclips of the T-72 just randomly catching on fire because of engine/loading problems.
wellerocks 1 year ago
@wellerocks Every tank has a so called loading angle of the gun.And you are totally wrong pointing out this to be a proble afecting the accuracy.And about being the worst tank of modern time.Says who?And what are his reasons?And if you think a western tank can withstand a hit from the side andr emain operational,you either have no clue or pretending so
fener4e 1 year ago
@fener4e No, far from everyone. The Leclerc tank has the advantage of being reloaded at any degree of elevation. The T-72 could only be operated by crew that are less than 160 cm tall. It had exposed shells inside which meant it could explode if hit by a single round. The T-72's "trusty auto-loader" has a habit of not only jamming but cutting of arms of crewmen trying to fix it. A danish Leopard 2A6 was hit by an IED and RPGs but managed to continue fighting and fire of rounds while retreating
wellerocks 1 year ago
@wellerocks
"The Leclerc tank has the advantage of being reloaded at any degree of elevation."
wrong. the Leclerc also has loading angle.: -1.8 degree.
dzsiimeen 1 year ago
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@wellerocks
"The T-72's "trusty auto-loader" has a habit of not only jamming but cutting of arms of crewmen trying to fix it."
1. the early T-64 proto made gunner injuries.
2. the T-72's loader is totally different
dzsiimeen 1 year ago
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@wellerocks
"The Leclerc tank has the advantage of being reloaded at any degree of elevation. "
youtube: Auto loader - Leclerc tank
dzsiimeen 1 year ago
@wellerocks
"For the T-72 to reload it must raise its barrel 5 degrees up to put another round in"
the T-72 loading angle is +3 degree
dzsiimeen 1 year ago
@wellerocks Then again a human loader can't take hits either. So I think that they should use both.
Braeden123698745 1 year ago 3
@wellerocks hahaha
glavonjagrob 10 months ago
@glavonjagrob Might I ask what's so funny about my comment?
wellerocks 10 months ago
@glavonjagrob If that strock is that hard to fucks up electrics of autoloader it will make soup from other electric sistems...so that is just exuse cause thay couldnt make it work...and with out that, that tank is tooooo havy. M84ab1 have autoloader 8 rpm(maybe the best one in the world) modern armor and eqp. And of course it is mather fast reloading, maybe not for one target, but you can find your self in area with many targets and always you can miss if you are shoot in move on hard terain.
glavonjagrob 10 months ago
@wellerocks This common argument is easily refuted - makes the charging sound!
mediauiny 10 months ago
@wellerocks The main gun can still fire even after losing electricity. The gunner can also manually traverse the turret and continue on with his drills while the loader manually fires his co-ax and his other mounted machine gun. The crew commander also has a machine gun. What I'm saying is that it will take more then disturbing "the slightest of wires" to take a tank and crew out of the fight.
Feyds 8 months ago
@wellerocks
Yes, also for "in field repairs" (like replacing one of the tracks for example) it is good to have a extra pair of hands.
TrangleC 7 months ago
@wellerocks That is a load of bollocks. In fact, the autoloaders you speak of are proven reliable. You're quite right - it's built to withstand a hit - which it does. On soviet tanks - all the weak spots were eliminated since late 60s.
' If the tank suffers a hit that would destroy even the slightest of wires or electrics' --> this isn't true. The only thing that can fuck up electronics today is an electromagnetic blast.
Lastly, every tank with an autoloader can be reloaded manually.
NosferatuAaacaado 7 months ago
@NosferatuAaacaado
"Lastly, every tank with an autoloader can be reloaded manually."
And who sohuld do this? The driver? The Commander? or the Gunner? ^^
JazzJaRa 5 months ago
@JazzJaRa in the (very) unlikely case of autoloader failing while the crew somehow still being alive, the commander is doing the work of a loader.
NosferatuAaacaado 5 months ago
A modern autoloader for a 120125 mm caliber weapon in good condition can achieve about 1012 rounds per minute. This rating may or may not include the time required to bring the gun to the appropriate loading angle and then bringing it back up to firing angle after loading. This is fast, but not quite as fast as a human loader, for which claims of 15 rounds per minute
TheEvilsseed 2 years ago
In any case, it is quite unlikely that an autoloader can be as reliable as a human loader. If the autoloader fails, manual loading becomes very awkward because the autoloader takes up most of the required space.
TheEvilsseed 2 years ago