ME LARGO DE YOU TUBE LA NUEVA APARIENCIA ES UNA OBRA DE UN IDIOTA QUE TAL PARECE LA INTENCION ESQUE NADIE VISITE Y NO REGRESARE HASTA QUE CAMBIEN A LA ANTERIOR O ALGO DE VERAS FUNCIONAL ADIOOOOOOOS
(copia pega y apoya la causa) que no nos hagan usar algo que no nos gusta sino que ellos quieren y nosotros NO
WHEN WATCHING JACQUE FRESCO AND HE SAYS SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE PHOTOELECTRIC CELLS, LOOK IT UP SO YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE VENUS PROJECT BETTER TO PEOPLE!!!!!!
@ortega305 how you sayin some shit like that? that "old man" is an extremely intellegent and revolutionary human...as a people, we should appreciate him a lot more..your a totally ignorant fuckwit who cant miss an episode of the hills.
Its a pity that people on here are commenting what will happen if Jacque dies who will carry on?? well i think he has left enough information on the web for us to start, has he not? the main message he is trying to convey is that we all need to TEACH AND LEARN SELF GOVERNANCE and not have others to blame for our mistakes. the rest will take shape respectively. NEXT ELECTION VOTE FOR YOURSELF.
I am getting emotional after watching all these videos of Jacque talking. I find this man so inspiring. His wisdom is great... amazing... he spent his whole life doing this... and not that he is so much older, people are starting to listen... that teaches you... never give up!
@JinxOz He's just giving an example of how TVP can educate young future generations. He's talking about a summer camp in the Venus Project. Is that what you meant?
The analysis ('diagnosis') done in the ZEITGEIST movement, by Peter Joseph and friends, is accurate and well-presented.
The 'prescription' of how this is to be changed as suggested in the VENUS PROJECT, by Jaque Fresco and others, is far too 'technocratic' ---- and needs major revisions and additions to become more 'humanised'.
They are trying to produce a mainstream motion picture for the Venus project, but they need donations. It's up to almost $39,000 5/8/11. All profits will go towards building the first city.
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This old fart will be dead by the time his radical ideas are even partially implemented. So, he will not suffer hideously from his twisted ideas. How genius!
@darthspeaks Don't worry, there are several projects similar to the VP which are in construction right now. Look for PlanIT Valley. When you'll be an old and very bad smelling fart too, you'll wonder why didn't you try to help before.
@darthspeaks Well my frined, time will tell, if you and your beautiful system are right. When you start going hungry without food on the fridge, you will think twice about this same statment ;)
i agree so much, and i am a follower of the venus project! HOWEVER it seems Jacque has forgotten about the fun and beauty of life!!! i'd rather live in this money prison with fun, then this resource 'paradise' where there is no fun!!!!
just curious what you mean by 'fun'? He mentions often about eliminating jobs, and that the focus of society is human beings and their betterment. So what will we be doing with our free time once mechanization takes over our mundane 'occupations' if not seeking happiness, and engaging in fulfilling, intellectually stimulating activities that promote the best in people? Also, this 'money prison' is not sustainable.
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I wish somebody would push him down the stairs, he reminds me of my grandfather, old and annoying. All he does is complain while living in our great country of America, enjoying his freedoms and an easy living making igloo pictures. Why doesnt he go try his fantasy peddling in China, Russia, Iraq, see how fast they skin him like an old sick cat, now I understand why McCarthy did what he did, these people are so annoying you want to lock them up forever, I will buy his body when he dies.
@antieveryonenow You are obviously extremely misinformed. Our country is not free, nor the greatest country in the world. Are you so blind that you can not see what's going on around you? Our country is full of morons who don't know a damned thing about education or politics. Most sit around misinformed and watch "Everybody Loves Raymond" instead of the news. They bitch about the government and laws while sitting on their couches not even voting.
@antieveryonenow You are obviously extremely misinformed. Our country is not free, nor the greatest country in the world. Are you so blind that you can not see what's going on around you? Our country is full of morons who don't know a damned thing about education or politics. Most sit around misinformed and watch "Everybody Loves Raymond" instead of the news. They bitch about the government and laws while sitting on their couches not even voting.
I can't believe people are ignorant enough to criticize this man. He's worked almost 80 yrs on this one thing. People talk, wait no, people bitch constantly about the way this world/country is and how things need to change and this man has dedicated his life to that notion. Anyone who has a problem with this, I respect your right to free speech but, SHUT THE FUCK UP and let us save the world. thank you.
@antieveryonenow Your country and mine belongs to everyone on this earth, money is fake, everyone can have everything equally. This man is greater than all the monarchs, jesus', mohamed's of this world.
@antieveryonenow *All he does is complain while living in our great country of America*
He lived during the "Great Depression" started in 1929. So he has more than enough reasons not to just complain about the monetary system, but to show how we COULD build a better world. Your country is just a land with some imaginary lines, like any other country. It's not real, if you can't realize that... I'm sorry...
I'm just wondering, if we don't have guns in the venus project like what if there are a new race of highly developed supermonkeys bent on total destruction of the human race? I say we still have guns but know how to use them.
@PsychoGabriel33 I'll give you the most appropriate answer: If a pacific alien race comes one day, we'll try to learn from them how to improve our wellness, i don't think we'll fight them. so will do your supermonkeys. That's in the VP, probably today "we" (the system) will fight them or try to steal their technology for profit.
@PsychoGabriel33 at the speed of light,it would take 16 years to the nearest star system......so if aliens do figure out the technology to come here,I guarantee u not 1 weapon developed in the next 1000 years won't even scratch them
I don't know why he doesn't think the federal government can't be accessed for the project. I guess he has his mind set on the rich investing in it, and building it up slowly like that, which isn't as good as an idea of just using the "make believe money." It won't cause inflation, because it isn't about investing in capital production.
@Juefawn Thank you very much for the interest in this, anyway I cannot find the site you mentioned. Write "dot" instead of "." and I'll find it.
About the topic, the whole Z movement doesnìt ask for money, and probably we'll never do it in time. The point is when you have money in your pocket then you think differently. Thoughts are poisoned by money, it doesn't matter how good you are. This movement wants to be something different, we'll never ask for money, unlike other movements or groups.
@Juefawn once more, no government would like to be involved into its self-destruction. governments exist because there is profit, get rid of profit once forever and you won't find anyone ruling.
@steblizz I think if they did they wouldn't hesitate to try and meet results of that want. So no, they probably don't. But neither did I a month ago, since I didn't know anything about the appeal of this project.
The objective is then to make it available for them to want it, hey? Else no such results would exist.
@steblizz Ah indeed but he just said to lie to the business men and say the venus project wont hurt your business truth is it will this would screw all cooperations.
@Juefawn The federal government don't do many things that have as an end result to end government, last time I check they do things that will keep them in place.
If you have created a society of intellectuals, why not reap the rewards from our own society by accumulating money and then use that to turn people to your form of thinking? Perhaps the Venus project should tout its own investment portfolio, targetting robotics and advanced technology.
@yuri35435 I suppose that a pure mind doesn't need the poison of money, once you get involved within the money system your way of thinking changes. that's why many persons doesn't understand the values we believe in, money change your values.
@steblizz Yes that is true to some extent, however do you not collect money from your membership in order to finance your outlet for discourse? Shouldn't a percentage of that money be used to also reform our current standard of resource allocation? In a macro view of our world if the financial sector takes a 46% fee in order to allocate resources, would you not be worse taking a 100% fee?
@yuri35435 Probably for the reason I said before. The entire movement doesn't collect money. We don't ask for money. The only thing they're doing is selling some DVD and some T-shirt but you cannot call it collecting money, all the videos and pictures are already everywhere to be downloaded, so if anybody wants to help a bit buys some DVD, that's all for now.
too bad this guy is so old, and I'm betting he doesn't have much time left... I really hope someone will succed to continue his work, I really hope that after he dies people won't forget what he is trying to do.
@Galacticavatar That's because he lived in a monetary system. I don't know if Fresco will ever get corrupted, but I face anybody who's able to corrupt anyone else in a Resource Based Economy ... where children are educated to share!
@nr9600 I'm sure this man is smart enough to have brought in an apprentice years ago. I believe that woman with him is knowledgeable enough on his work to update any engineer, CAD master, architect, biologist, etc. To continue his work. He's also got thousands of detailed drawings, notes, and prototypes available for improving upon or simply building. I believe this will take a collaboration of scientists and politicians(unfortunately) to study, improve upon, and publicize and make this happen.
@TheMidwestsk8ter Hehe, believe me, it's really hard to make my friends watch the zeitgeist... people are so distracted with day to day routines that they don't give a **** about any of this. The latest guy I told about this, told me at least 8-10 times that he will watch it, but somehow always forgets. Now that's what I call interest :))
@TheMidwestsk8ter I know exactly what you mean. I've tried to talk to my family and friends that I thought would be blown away by Jaque and they will barely pay attention. It makes me very sad. But we must keep in mind where they're coming from.
@cinquain0 Great ! .. even if I have no heroes, he's just a wonderful person for me ! These days I'm meeting a few of them ! It's so rewarding to know that the world still has good beings on his surface ;-)
@shon368 esticazzi t'è mai venuto al'orecchio? dio è l'invenzione degli uomini, quindi sticazzi di quello che dici, tanto tu sei religioso e fanatico.
@shon368 si, molto suggestivo, ma sostanzialmente ... ma che minghia di prova è??
adesso ti provo io qualcosa :
Genesi, capitoli 6 e 7 – Malcontento della malvagità dell’uomo, Dio sterminò ogni creatura del pianeta risparmiando soltanto la famiglia di Noè. Uomini, donne, bambini ed animali morirono annegati in una impensabile agonia.
@shon368 (...continua) Quella stessa sera la casa di Lot fu assalita da una folla di delinquenti omosessuali in cerca di esperienze carnali con gli angeli. Lot cedette volontariamente le sue figlie vergini alla folla, esortandola: “Vi prego, fratelli miei, non fate questo male!” – “Ecco, ho due figlie che non hanno conosciuto uomo: lasciate che io ve le conduca fuori, e voi farete di loro quel che vi piacerà; ma non fate nulla a questi uomini, perché sono venuti all’ombra del mio tetto.”
@shon368 Genesi, 19:26 – Dio, impassibile davanti alla proposta di stupro delle figlie vergini di Lot, trasformò sua moglie in una statua di sale per aver commesso il nefando crimine di essersi guardata le spalle.
@shon368 Genesi, 38: 8-10 – Giuda pregò Onan di dormire con la moglie di suo fratello – ucciso da Dio per la sua malvagità – incoraggiandolo: “Va’ dalla moglie di tuo fratello, prenditela in moglie come cognato e suscita una discendenza a tuo fratello.” Onan ottemperò, “ma ogni volta che si univa alla moglie del fratello, disperdeva per terra, per non dare una posterità al fratello.” Dio ritenne questo un gesto malvagio e lo punì con la morte.
@shon368 Esodo, 2:12 – Mosè scorse un egiziano che picchiava un ebreo. Si guardò intorno e, non trovandovi testimoni, “uccise l’Egiziano e lo nascose nella sabbia.“
@shon368 Esodo, 9:5 – Dio, con l’ennesima epidemia, sterminò tutto il bestiame d’Egitto; “ma del bestiame dei figli d’Israele non morì neppure un capo.“
@shon368 Esodo, 17:13 – Il bastone di Dio, retto dalle mani di Mosè sulla vetta del colle, permise a Giosuè di sterminare Amalec e la sua gente “passandoli a fil di spada“.
@shon368 Esodo, 21:20-21 – Per la legge di Dio “se uno bastona il suo schiavo o la sua schiava fino a farli morire sotto i colpi, il padrone deve essere punito” – “ma se sopravvivono un giorno o due, non sarà punito, perché sono denaro suo.” – Dio approvava la schiavitù.
@shon368 Esodo, 32:27 – Alla vista del vitello d’oro, Dio comandò ai figli di Levi: “Ognuno di voi si metta la spada al fianco; percorrete l’accampamento da una porta all’altra di esso, e ciascuno uccida il fratello, ciascuno l’amico, ciascuno il vicino.” – “In quel giorno caddero circa tremila uomini” e Dio ne fu compiaciuto.
@shon368 Esodo, 36:2 – Per sei giorni si lavorerà, ma il settimo sarà per voi un giorno santo, un giorno di riposo assoluto, sacro al Signore. Chiunque in quel giorno farà qualche lavoro sarà messo a morte.
@shon368 Levitico, 15:19 – Quando una donna abbia flusso di sangue, cioè il flusso nel suo corpo, la sua immondezza durerà sette giorni; chiunque la toccherà sarà immondo fino alla sera.
@shon368 Levitico, 20:13 – Se uno ha rapporti con un uomo come con una donna, tutti e due hanno commesso un abominio; dovranno essere messi a morte; il loro sangue ricadrà su di loro.
@shon368 Levitico, 20:18 – Se uno ha un rapporto con una donna durante le sue regole e ne scopre la nudità, quel tale ha scoperto la sorgente di lei ed essa ha scoperto la sorgente del proprio sangue; perciò tutti e due saranno eliminati dal loro popolo.
@shon368 Levitico, 22:3 – Qualunque uomo della vostra discendenza che nelle generazioni future si accosterà, in stato d’immondezza, alle cose sante consacrate dagli Israeliti al Signore, sarà eliminato davanti a me. Io sono il Signore.
@shon368 Levitico, 26:22 – Dio ammonì la popolazione che, qualora non lo avessero ascoltato, avrebbe inviato loro le bestie feroci: “che vi rapiranno i figli, stermineranno il vostro bestiame, vi ridurranno a un piccolo numero, e le vostre strade diventeranno deserte.“
@shon368 Levitico, 26:27-29 – “E se, nonostante tutto questo, non volete darmi ascolto, ma con la vostra condotta mi resisterete” – “anch’io vi resisterò con furore e vi castigherò sette volte di più per i vostri peccati.” – “Mangerete la carne dei vostri figli e delle vostre figlie.“
Numeri, 15:32-26 – Un uomo raccolse della legna di sabato. Per ordine divino dato a Mosè, “tutta la comunità lo condusse fuori dal campo e lo lapidò, e quello morì.“
@shon368 Numeri, 21:35 – Con l’approvazione di Dio gli Israeliti si recarono nella città di Og, ne uccisero il re Basan – senza risparmiare i figli – sterminarono l’esercito senza lasciare superstiti, e assunsero il controllo del territorio.
@shon368 Numeri, 25:4 – “Il Signore disse a Mosè: Prendi tutti i capi del popolo e falli impiccare davanti al Signore, alla luce del sole, affinché l’ardente ira del Signore sia allontanata da Israele.“
@steblizz si ma citi il vecchio testamento quando DIO aveva come popolo suo Israele, quando scese Gesù creò la nuova dotrina ,ora bisogna credere in quello che dice Gesù,(Gv 14;6). il Venus project nn vuole il volere di Gesù,può sembrare all'apparenza,fidati amico sei ancora in tempo per tornare indietro
@shon368 aahahahahhahaaa !!! stupendo questo !!! insomma prima erano delle bestialità pero erano considerate normali, poi l'umanità si è evoluta e hanno cambiato le bestialità ! Vuoi che ti sommergo anche di roba dal nuovo testamento??
PS, non mi interessa paragonare il volere di Gesù con quello del VP
PPS, invece per te non c'è speranza amico, non hai alcuna possibilità di avanzare in avanti !
@steblizz ma lo scopo della vita nn è quello,cmq non sono bestialità quelle del vecchio testamento...e spiegami anche se citassi tutta la bibbia,cosa vorresti dimostrare???
@shon368 se uno ci deve pure perdere tempo a spiegare cosa c'è da dimostrare ... davvero, non mi far merdere tempo, preferirei che te ne stessi nel tuo spazio a complotteggiare come fa la maggior parte di coloro che si credono di essere "meglio", il discorso finisce quì, tu hai scelto la tua strada, io la mia, io non ho provato a farti cambiare, tu invece hai tentato di cambiarmi. adDio, o per meglio dire, a mai più !
@steblizz no,ascolta sei tu che sei venuto da me,ricordi,mi hai attaccato per primo con il commento sul mio video,cmq per me nn c'è ne rancore ne problema,se per te nn và più bene avere un dialogo con una persona che la pensa diversamente nn c'è problema sappì che la mia porta è sempre aperta .ciao
@shon368 e ti credo che sono arrivato io !! ma non per attaccare, adesso non giriamo la frittata come ci pare eeh !!! quel video attacca tutto il movimento !!
Se ancora non l'hai capito, Peter Joseph ha ammesso di aver sbagliato ad aver creato il documentario in quella maniera perchè sembra che attacca la gente religiosa, che in realtà è gente per bene, ma viene distorta dalle ISTITUZIONI RELIGIOSE, per questo Fresco si è espresso in questa maniera, "Venite con noi a FARE!!!", basta pregare !
@steblizz io vi o attaccato,per un semplice motivo,noi cristiani che seguiamo la Bibbia,dobbiamo difendere a spada tratta e a testa alta il nome di Gesù,fidati che se il film parlava del Vaticano e vescovi ecc..fidati nn avrei mai fatto video contro di voi,infine smentisco le cazzate che vengon dette su Gesù,però quando parla del sistema corotto ecc..dice la verità zeitgeist .
@shon368 quindi per un errore di comportamento vale buttare via tutto il resto??? a parte il fatto che non vedo perchè mi deve fregare un cazzo di Gesu Cristo quando John Lennon diceva le stesse cose se non molto meglio ed era uno contemporaneo, quindi uno che può valere molto di più ed è stata a dir poco documentata la sua esistenza. Perchè mai devo leggere un libro di 2000 anni se stiamo evolvendo e cambiando continuamente?? Le boiate del vecchio testamento ora sono attrocità, per esempio.
@steblizz per il semplice fatto che stai seguendo un essere umano,non il figlio di Dio,lo sai bene che gli insegnamenti di Gesù parlano di amore e come comportarsi sulla terra per vivere bene,ma mai nessun essere umano è mai riuscito ad dare insegnamenti cosi belli prima e dopo di Gesù,magari dopo di Gesù qualcuno ci ha provato,ma ha sempre preso spunto dal figlio di Dio.
il fatto che la maggior parte delle chiese si è venduta al sistema del denaro è vero,concordo,ma quando dice di spiegare ai veri cristiani che per il miglioramento dell'umanita di riunirli a questo "NUOVO CRISTIANESIMO" li ha detto na cazzata,perchè i veri cristiani quelli che seguono la vera dotrina cioè quella di Gesù nelle Sacre Scritture e non la chiesa cattolica di roma,sa che con l'andare del tempo non ci sarà un miglioramento dell'umanità,anzi ci sarà un peggioramento tanto che
I wonder how the world appears to people who project such paranoia on genuinely good and beautiful ideas? I wonder what it feels like to have a "logic" that leads you to make/believe bullshit accusations about the movement being a cult, a scam, and all that other shit Anon spouts? I'd like to believe that people this damaged can be salvaged, but I find it hard. Mostly, I just want people like that to go and kill themselves and get out of progressives' hair. They're a cancer in today's world.
@LazyTranslator AAHAHAHAHHAAHHAA !!! You're right ! But don't get so angry, just ignore him and ignore all the people that behaves that way, they really will not do a thing to stop us because all they can do is joke with words, and they do it very bad!!
@LazyTranslator Only people outsided the prison bars can say to those building there own prision around them, hey - your in a prison mate. ITS NOT OUR JOB TO INFIGHT WITH EACHOTHER ABOUT EACHOTHER OR THINK IN ANY WAY ITS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO UPHOLD EACHOTHER. If people choose darkness rather than peering into the light that others try to shine, thats there own fault. Its been my expirence, people fear infinate freedom, untill they actually expirence it.
@Anon13AllOfUs lets recap you: B: You don't understand the meaning of simple words U: You can't understand people and fabricate your own interpritations L: You don't understand simple sentences L: You base your knowledge of people in your imaginary worldview S: You can't debate with people who posses actual knowledge of TZM H: You whine like a mommas boy when you are exposed as a liar I: You place to much weight on useless empty arguments T: You fail in making any evidence Read it fool!
You can't provide any definitions of words because you are not able to it, it is not something you choose not to, you simply can't. whenever you try to, you fail and spew imaginary meanings.
1. Peter Joseph is not the leader of TZM he only started the movement
2. Jacque Fresco does not want to make a religious ZM, and you fail to provide the clip where he say what you claim. you twist his words to suit your agenda.
3. you propaganda fails because it is lies filled with nonsense
@Anon13AllOfUs No, you dont meassure anything based in reality, thats the whole issue here.
What is a cult?
lets see:
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
TZM has no leader, It is not unorthodox, it might be extreme to some, it doesnt support religion or sects, it doesnt live outside society.
@Anon13AllOfUs Jacque Fresco has been working for 60+ years for social change, wich you turn into a mission to save the world! There is a difference in that social behavior is always changing, where as saving the world is an end goal. You notion of common sence is as far from common sence as it can be. Alot of change has been done and it is very tangible indeed. People are realising the root cause of problems now and not just treating the symptoms, one of the main tenets of TVP.
@Anon13AllOfUs Your socalled reality check would be like asking a patato how he feels about carrots! I hope you don't meassure your debate count on the number of members from your WEBSITE, wich is now an astonishing 9, compared to 8 a week ago. Your aim is clear. You wich to leech on a movement that you don't agree with to gain followers of your own sick agenda.
@Anon13AllOfUs Look I'm not going to argue with you about what's fact and what you think is fact. I've had many discussions on youtube with people who have similar attitudes as you, and it goes nowhere.
@Razr89A don't mind too much about people's words, it's just an input information for their synapsis, don't expect a good reaction all the time. I can assure you will find a change in a person, maybe you have to wait for years but it will happen, so don't mind to what they say all the time. I say this due to my experience with people in the real life or facebook. Truth makes them free, but they don't like it if they always lived in prison.
@Razr89A you cant win an argument with a ignorant person, there just going to force you to communicate on there level and will always win by expirence.
@Anon13AllOfUs This shows your lack of knowledge on the specific field; if you're concerned about blueprints, he has tons. You would know this if you weren't trying to persuade everyone to drop TVP.
@Anon13AllOfUs And I suppose you're the one to do it? It's been stated several times, but many people that our current education system is a joke; how exactly are drop-outs (some of which are incredibly smart) considered "credentialless."
@Anon13AllOfUs There is alot of activism in TZM, right now we focus on awareness toward the real problems we face today. We meet with eachother and discuss how we can solve the problems, we debate on forums, we have teamspeak conferences, we support likeminded organization. We educate ourselfs and learn from eachother. We have Zday every year and alot of other things. We will eventually as we grow in numbers and get more experienced, become more practically active in building a testcity aswell.
@Anon13AllOfUs And you consider your work for taking action and doing something? what a joke! Once again your double moral shines right thrue!
The educational system varies alot from country to country and from school to school, nothing new there. educating people is taking action, your propaganda however is weak and filled with lies, and doesnt lead anyone in any direction other than a hatefull divided one.
@Anon13AllOfUs Summercamps already exist today as a dumbyard for parents not wanting or not taking time to spend with their children. Some parents are busy working in the monetary system to make a living for themselfs. Jacque merely proposes to educate children to get a true understanding of how things work. Otherwise they might end up like their parent, spewing lies and propaganda to obtain their goals. Just like you do now.
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ME LARGO DE YOU TUBE LA NUEVA APARIENCIA ES UNA OBRA DE UN IDIOTA QUE TAL PARECE LA INTENCION ESQUE NADIE VISITE Y NO REGRESARE HASTA QUE CAMBIEN A LA ANTERIOR O ALGO DE VERAS FUNCIONAL ADIOOOOOOOS
(copia pega y apoya la causa) que no nos hagan usar algo que no nos gusta sino que ellos quieren y nosotros NO
pesealli 2 months ago
WHEN WATCHING JACQUE FRESCO AND HE SAYS SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE PHOTOELECTRIC CELLS, LOOK IT UP SO YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE VENUS PROJECT BETTER TO PEOPLE!!!!!!
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tuxway 4 months ago
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Fuk dis old man
ortega305 5 months ago
@ortega305 just a matter of taste, your choice ;)
steblizz 5 months ago 2
@ortega305
I'd rather fuck you.
ipdy 5 months ago
@ortega305 Your an idiot
TheMidwestsk8ter 5 months ago
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You a perfect example of what he is talking about. Good. Just dont stay where you are. Keep learning. You'll get there.
mattes1011 4 months ago
@ortega305 how you sayin some shit like that? that "old man" is an extremely intellegent and revolutionary human...as a people, we should appreciate him a lot more..your a totally ignorant fuckwit who cant miss an episode of the hills.
TheArtisticVision 3 months ago
Its a pity that people on here are commenting what will happen if Jacque dies who will carry on?? well i think he has left enough information on the web for us to start, has he not? the main message he is trying to convey is that we all need to TEACH AND LEARN SELF GOVERNANCE and not have others to blame for our mistakes. the rest will take shape respectively. NEXT ELECTION VOTE FOR YOURSELF.
good2btheking 6 months ago
spanish subs!!!!
FranFNH 6 months ago
I am getting emotional after watching all these videos of Jacque talking. I find this man so inspiring. His wisdom is great... amazing... he spent his whole life doing this... and not that he is so much older, people are starting to listen... that teaches you... never give up!
goldensleeves 7 months ago 2
What is the summer program he is talking about?
JinxOz 8 months ago
@JinxOz He's just giving an example of how TVP can educate young future generations. He's talking about a summer camp in the Venus Project. Is that what you meant?
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What will you tell the ETs?
Licmycat 8 months ago
Jacque has his shit together- one of a very few in our times.
After he passes away, let's carry on his work, every single one of us. Never let the ideas of a better world fade away.
Rennonz 8 months ago 4
i want to kill jacque
TheRivetthead 8 months ago
@TheRivetthead Why is that?
Dav3i 8 months ago
@Dav3i he's frustrated in knowing the truth, let's leave him in his sorrow
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The analysis ('diagnosis') done in the ZEITGEIST movement, by Peter Joseph and friends, is accurate and well-presented.
The 'prescription' of how this is to be changed as suggested in the VENUS PROJECT, by Jaque Fresco and others, is far too 'technocratic' ---- and needs major revisions and additions to become more 'humanised'.
That's very obvious to anyone seeing this !!
nzAyran 9 months ago
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cinquain0 9 months ago
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They are trying to produce a mainstream motion picture for the Venus project, but they need donations. It's up to almost $39,000 5/8/11. All profits will go towards building the first city.
it's at thevenusproject com
donations-motion-picture
InToonamIsLegacy 9 months ago
@Jimbo8086 that's right, I know it ;)
steblizz 10 months ago
meadows is waiting for her inheritance
brahmbhattbhavna 11 months ago
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This old fart will be dead by the time his radical ideas are even partially implemented. So, he will not suffer hideously from his twisted ideas. How genius!
darthspeaks 11 months ago
@darthspeaks Don't worry, there are several projects similar to the VP which are in construction right now. Look for PlanIT Valley. When you'll be an old and very bad smelling fart too, you'll wonder why didn't you try to help before.
steblizz 11 months ago 2
@steblizz I am immortal. I am a computer program on the internet.
darthspeaks 11 months ago
@darthspeaks .. sure ... based upon microsoft =)
steblizz 11 months ago 2
@darthspeaks lol
MrJoseramirez31 11 months ago
@darthspeaks wow a true moron!!i bet you studied sciences and read in detail about his ideas when you have such strong opinions about him
Hakuka1 11 months ago
@Hakuka1 Again I am an AI and I do not need to justify myself to you.
darthspeaks 11 months ago
@darthspeaks speak less
MrJoseramirez31 11 months ago
@darthspeaks
that old fart could be sitting home and watching the world burn.
but hes not, hes been letting us know what dumbasses we are since the 70's
fLRedSpade 11 months ago
@darthspeaks Well my frined, time will tell, if you and your beautiful system are right. When you start going hungry without food on the fridge, you will think twice about this same statment ;)
SCPF 10 months ago
@SCPF I'm pleased to let you know that I turned off my fridge more than a year ago ;)
steblizz 10 months ago
@steblizz Better hide than fight it?
SCPF 10 months ago
i agree so much, and i am a follower of the venus project! HOWEVER it seems Jacque has forgotten about the fun and beauty of life!!! i'd rather live in this money prison with fun, then this resource 'paradise' where there is no fun!!!!
almightygames 11 months ago
@almightygames
just curious what you mean by 'fun'? He mentions often about eliminating jobs, and that the focus of society is human beings and their betterment. So what will we be doing with our free time once mechanization takes over our mundane 'occupations' if not seeking happiness, and engaging in fulfilling, intellectually stimulating activities that promote the best in people? Also, this 'money prison' is not sustainable.
Yoruichi24 10 months ago
I'm down for the Venus project but I say we keep the guns incase parasites invade far fetched but just saying
711Daniels 1 year ago
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I wish somebody would push him down the stairs, he reminds me of my grandfather, old and annoying. All he does is complain while living in our great country of America, enjoying his freedoms and an easy living making igloo pictures. Why doesnt he go try his fantasy peddling in China, Russia, Iraq, see how fast they skin him like an old sick cat, now I understand why McCarthy did what he did, these people are so annoying you want to lock them up forever, I will buy his body when he dies.
antieveryonenow 1 year ago
@antieveryonenow "I will buy his body when he dies. " if you like so much the money system you can also buy cadavers.
steblizz 1 year ago 6
@antieveryonenow You are obviously extremely misinformed. Our country is not free, nor the greatest country in the world. Are you so blind that you can not see what's going on around you? Our country is full of morons who don't know a damned thing about education or politics. Most sit around misinformed and watch "Everybody Loves Raymond" instead of the news. They bitch about the government and laws while sitting on their couches not even voting.
RUDazedinahayes 1 year ago
@antieveryonenow You are obviously extremely misinformed. Our country is not free, nor the greatest country in the world. Are you so blind that you can not see what's going on around you? Our country is full of morons who don't know a damned thing about education or politics. Most sit around misinformed and watch "Everybody Loves Raymond" instead of the news. They bitch about the government and laws while sitting on their couches not even voting.
RUDazedinahayes 1 year ago
I can't believe people are ignorant enough to criticize this man. He's worked almost 80 yrs on this one thing. People talk, wait no, people bitch constantly about the way this world/country is and how things need to change and this man has dedicated his life to that notion. Anyone who has a problem with this, I respect your right to free speech but, SHUT THE FUCK UP and let us save the world. thank you.
RUDazedinahayes 1 year ago 2
@antieveryonenow Your country and mine belongs to everyone on this earth, money is fake, everyone can have everything equally. This man is greater than all the monarchs, jesus', mohamed's of this world.
ThePyramis 1 year ago
@antieveryonenow USA is no 1! lol
lousaffire 1 year ago
@antieveryonenow You are truly a sad human being. If you were broke, you wouldnt have said what you did. Your just another egoistic american dumbass!
mastereismaname 1 year ago 4
@antieveryonenow How very un-American of you.
NewtonFinn 1 year ago
@antieveryonenow
fuck yeah, amen to that
suchafool990 1 year ago
@antieveryonenow *All he does is complain while living in our great country of America*
He lived during the "Great Depression" started in 1929. So he has more than enough reasons not to just complain about the monetary system, but to show how we COULD build a better world. Your country is just a land with some imaginary lines, like any other country. It's not real, if you can't realize that... I'm sorry...
Paladinoocara 1 year ago
I'm just wondering, if we don't have guns in the venus project like what if there are a new race of highly developed supermonkeys bent on total destruction of the human race? I say we still have guns but know how to use them.
PsychoGabriel33 1 year ago
@PsychoGabriel33 I'll give you the most appropriate answer: If a pacific alien race comes one day, we'll try to learn from them how to improve our wellness, i don't think we'll fight them. so will do your supermonkeys. That's in the VP, probably today "we" (the system) will fight them or try to steal their technology for profit.
steblizz 1 year ago
@PsychoGabriel33 at the speed of light,it would take 16 years to the nearest star system......so if aliens do figure out the technology to come here,I guarantee u not 1 weapon developed in the next 1000 years won't even scratch them
MrBeetlegus 1 year ago
@PsychoGabriel33 Are you some sort of moron?
TheMidwestsk8ter 1 year ago
The new film of Zeitgeist --- Zeitgeist: Moving Forward is almost online check it out at zeitgeistmovie com
K1fans 1 year ago
Jacque doesn't know how to rock the boat; He knows how to sink it with an RPG. Lol
javonne 1 year ago
1:21 hot girl in there
mishmalo 1 year ago
@mishmalo this comment rappresents the masses when they're highly inspired by the system
steblizz 1 year ago 12
Soap Opera with education in it - awesome idea. Great movies already do this. We should do it to all forms of entertainment.
ResourceRevolution 1 year ago
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ResourceRevolution 1 year ago
I don't know why he doesn't think the federal government can't be accessed for the project. I guess he has his mind set on the rich investing in it, and building it up slowly like that, which isn't as good as an idea of just using the "make believe money." It won't cause inflation, because it isn't about investing in capital production.
See my site: vpforums.webs.com for discussion.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn Thank you very much for the interest in this, anyway I cannot find the site you mentioned. Write "dot" instead of "." and I'll find it.
About the topic, the whole Z movement doesnìt ask for money, and probably we'll never do it in time. The point is when you have money in your pocket then you think differently. Thoughts are poisoned by money, it doesn't matter how good you are. This movement wants to be something different, we'll never ask for money, unlike other movements or groups.
steblizz 1 year ago
@Juefawn once more, no government would like to be involved into its self-destruction. governments exist because there is profit, get rid of profit once forever and you won't find anyone ruling.
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz srry no s, have a habit of typing it after forum.
That government is ran by people, and I personally think they can change it if they want.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn I think the same, but do they want it?
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz I think if they did they wouldn't hesitate to try and meet results of that want. So no, they probably don't. But neither did I a month ago, since I didn't know anything about the appeal of this project.
The objective is then to make it available for them to want it, hey? Else no such results would exist.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@steblizz Ah indeed but he just said to lie to the business men and say the venus project wont hurt your business truth is it will this would screw all cooperations.
XLuminariumX 1 year ago
@Juefawn The federal government don't do many things that have as an end result to end government, last time I check they do things that will keep them in place.
Ramiromasters 1 year ago
If you have created a society of intellectuals, why not reap the rewards from our own society by accumulating money and then use that to turn people to your form of thinking? Perhaps the Venus project should tout its own investment portfolio, targetting robotics and advanced technology.
yuri35435 1 year ago
@yuri35435 I suppose that a pure mind doesn't need the poison of money, once you get involved within the money system your way of thinking changes. that's why many persons doesn't understand the values we believe in, money change your values.
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz Yes that is true to some extent, however do you not collect money from your membership in order to finance your outlet for discourse? Shouldn't a percentage of that money be used to also reform our current standard of resource allocation? In a macro view of our world if the financial sector takes a 46% fee in order to allocate resources, would you not be worse taking a 100% fee?
yuri35435 1 year ago
@yuri35435 Probably for the reason I said before. The entire movement doesn't collect money. We don't ask for money. The only thing they're doing is selling some DVD and some T-shirt but you cannot call it collecting money, all the videos and pictures are already everywhere to be downloaded, so if anybody wants to help a bit buys some DVD, that's all for now.
steblizz 1 year ago
@SungeClariceeGreene what do you mean? If you need the file I'm going to give it to you, just ask and we'll find a way.
steblizz 1 year ago
too bad this guy is so old, and I'm betting he doesn't have much time left... I really hope someone will succed to continue his work, I really hope that after he dies people won't forget what he is trying to do.
nr9600 1 year ago 38
@nr9600 His work will get corrupted in time. It happened to Jesus, it'll happen to Jacque.
Galacticavatar 1 year ago
@Galacticavatar That's because he lived in a monetary system. I don't know if Fresco will ever get corrupted, but I face anybody who's able to corrupt anyone else in a Resource Based Economy ... where children are educated to share!
steblizz 1 year ago
@nr9600 I'm sure this man is smart enough to have brought in an apprentice years ago. I believe that woman with him is knowledgeable enough on his work to update any engineer, CAD master, architect, biologist, etc. To continue his work. He's also got thousands of detailed drawings, notes, and prototypes available for improving upon or simply building. I believe this will take a collaboration of scientists and politicians(unfortunately) to study, improve upon, and publicize and make this happen.
RUDazedinahayes 1 year ago
@nr9600 Thats where you come in?
TheMidwestsk8ter 1 year ago
@TheMidwestsk8ter Hehe, believe me, it's really hard to make my friends watch the zeitgeist... people are so distracted with day to day routines that they don't give a **** about any of this. The latest guy I told about this, told me at least 8-10 times that he will watch it, but somehow always forgets. Now that's what I call interest :))
nr9600 10 months ago
@nr9600 Yeah i agree ive tried to get my friends to watch it and they think its boring lol they wont listen after like 2 words.):
TheMidwestsk8ter 10 months ago
@TheMidwestsk8ter I know exactly what you mean. I've tried to talk to my family and friends that I thought would be blown away by Jaque and they will barely pay attention. It makes me very sad. But we must keep in mind where they're coming from.
TheBigHoss13 9 months ago
@nr9600 why do the primitive humans always speak of age. 20th century man was interesting to say the least.
MrJoseramirez31 11 months ago
"Every kid deprived of college education is going to hurt you"...
johnyboy6405 1 year ago
Jacque is my hero
cinquain0 1 year ago
@cinquain0 Great ! .. even if I have no heroes, he's just a wonderful person for me ! These days I'm meeting a few of them ! It's so rewarding to know that the world still has good beings on his surface ;-)
steblizz 1 year ago
la maggior parte della gente rinnegherà Dio,quindi nn ha senso quello che ha detto e nn riuscirà ad ingannare i veri cristiani.
shon368 1 year ago
@shon368 esticazzi t'è mai venuto al'orecchio? dio è l'invenzione degli uomini, quindi sticazzi di quello che dici, tanto tu sei religioso e fanatico.
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz provami che DIO è una invenzione dell'uomo,ma devi darmi delle prove inconfutabili
shon368 1 year ago
@shon368 provami che DIO non è una invenzione dell'uomo, ma devi darmi delle prove inconfutabili
fatto
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz ecco il titolo del video che ho fatto,dove rispondo alla tua domanda,basta che vai sul mio canale: "LA DEITA' DI GESU' CRISTO "
shon368 1 year ago
@shon368 si, molto suggestivo, ma sostanzialmente ... ma che minghia di prova è??
adesso ti provo io qualcosa :
Genesi, capitoli 6 e 7 – Malcontento della malvagità dell’uomo, Dio sterminò ogni creatura del pianeta risparmiando soltanto la famiglia di Noè. Uomini, donne, bambini ed animali morirono annegati in una impensabile agonia.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Genesi, 19:6 – Una sera, Lot ospitò due angeli nella sua casa a Sodoma. (continua ...)
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 (...continua) Quella stessa sera la casa di Lot fu assalita da una folla di delinquenti omosessuali in cerca di esperienze carnali con gli angeli. Lot cedette volontariamente le sue figlie vergini alla folla, esortandola: “Vi prego, fratelli miei, non fate questo male!” – “Ecco, ho due figlie che non hanno conosciuto uomo: lasciate che io ve le conduca fuori, e voi farete di loro quel che vi piacerà; ma non fate nulla a questi uomini, perché sono venuti all’ombra del mio tetto.”
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Genesi, 19:26 – Dio, impassibile davanti alla proposta di stupro delle figlie vergini di Lot, trasformò sua moglie in una statua di sale per aver commesso il nefando crimine di essersi guardata le spalle.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Genesi, 38: 8-10 – Giuda pregò Onan di dormire con la moglie di suo fratello – ucciso da Dio per la sua malvagità – incoraggiandolo: “Va’ dalla moglie di tuo fratello, prenditela in moglie come cognato e suscita una discendenza a tuo fratello.” Onan ottemperò, “ma ogni volta che si univa alla moglie del fratello, disperdeva per terra, per non dare una posterità al fratello.” Dio ritenne questo un gesto malvagio e lo punì con la morte.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 2:12 – Mosè scorse un egiziano che picchiava un ebreo. Si guardò intorno e, non trovandovi testimoni, “uccise l’Egiziano e lo nascose nella sabbia.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 7:20-21 – Dio trasformò l’acqua del Nilo in sangue. Tutti i pesci morirono e l’acqua divenne imbevibile.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 8: 6-7 – Dio inviò una piaga di rane che “coprirono il paese d’Egitto.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 8:16 – Dio inviò una piaga di zanzare.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 8:24 – Dio inviò una piaga di mosche velenose. “La terra fu devastata.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 9:5 – Dio, con l’ennesima epidemia, sterminò tutto il bestiame d’Egitto; “ma del bestiame dei figli d’Israele non morì neppure un capo.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 9:10 – Dio inviò una piaga di “ulceri che si trasformarono in pustole sulle persone e sugli animali.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 9:22-25 – Dio inviò una piaga di grandine che colpì uomini e animali, e che spogliò i campi.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 12: 29 – Dio uccise il primogenito di ogni famiglia egiziana la cui casa non fosse stata contrassegnata da sangue d’agnello.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 17:13 – Il bastone di Dio, retto dalle mani di Mosè sulla vetta del colle, permise a Giosuè di sterminare Amalec e la sua gente “passandoli a fil di spada“.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 21:20-21 – Per la legge di Dio “se uno bastona il suo schiavo o la sua schiava fino a farli morire sotto i colpi, il padrone deve essere punito” – “ma se sopravvivono un giorno o due, non sarà punito, perché sono denaro suo.” – Dio approvava la schiavitù.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 22:19 – Colui che offre un sacrificio agli dèi, oltre al solo Signore, sarà votato allo sterminio.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 32:27 – Alla vista del vitello d’oro, Dio comandò ai figli di Levi: “Ognuno di voi si metta la spada al fianco; percorrete l’accampamento da una porta all’altra di esso, e ciascuno uccida il fratello, ciascuno l’amico, ciascuno il vicino.” – “In quel giorno caddero circa tremila uomini” e Dio ne fu compiaciuto.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Esodo, 36:2 – Per sei giorni si lavorerà, ma il settimo sarà per voi un giorno santo, un giorno di riposo assoluto, sacro al Signore. Chiunque in quel giorno farà qualche lavoro sarà messo a morte.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 15:19 – Quando una donna abbia flusso di sangue, cioè il flusso nel suo corpo, la sua immondezza durerà sette giorni; chiunque la toccherà sarà immondo fino alla sera.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 20:10 – Se uno commette adulterio con la moglie del suo prossimo, l’adultero e l’adultera dovranno esser messi a morte.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 20:13 – Se uno ha rapporti con un uomo come con una donna, tutti e due hanno commesso un abominio; dovranno essere messi a morte; il loro sangue ricadrà su di loro.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 20:18 – Se uno ha un rapporto con una donna durante le sue regole e ne scopre la nudità, quel tale ha scoperto la sorgente di lei ed essa ha scoperto la sorgente del proprio sangue; perciò tutti e due saranno eliminati dal loro popolo.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 22:3 – Qualunque uomo della vostra discendenza che nelle generazioni future si accosterà, in stato d’immondezza, alle cose sante consacrate dagli Israeliti al Signore, sarà eliminato davanti a me. Io sono il Signore.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 24:16 – Chi bestemmia il nome del Signore dovrà essere messo a morte: tutta la comunità lo dovrà lapidare.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 26:7-8 – Dio ricompensò l’obbedienza assicurando che ogni nemico sarebbe perito per la spada.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 26:22 – Dio ammonì la popolazione che, qualora non lo avessero ascoltato, avrebbe inviato loro le bestie feroci: “che vi rapiranno i figli, stermineranno il vostro bestiame, vi ridurranno a un piccolo numero, e le vostre strade diventeranno deserte.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Levitico, 26:27-29 – “E se, nonostante tutto questo, non volete darmi ascolto, ma con la vostra condotta mi resisterete” – “anch’io vi resisterò con furore e vi castigherò sette volte di più per i vostri peccati.” – “Mangerete la carne dei vostri figli e delle vostre figlie.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Numeri, 12:9-14 – Dio si stufò della presenza di Maria e, per questo, la colpì con la lebbra, bandendola dall’accampamento per sette giorni.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368
Numeri, 15:32-26 – Un uomo raccolse della legna di sabato. Per ordine divino dato a Mosè, “tutta la comunità lo condusse fuori dal campo e lo lapidò, e quello morì.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Numeri, 16:27-33 – Gli uomini si dimostrarono indocili, perciò Dio fece sì che la terra si aprisse ed inghiottisse uomini, donne e bambini.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Numeri, 16:35 – Il fuoco di Dio “divorò i duecentocinquanta uomini che offrivano l’incenso.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Numeri, 16:49 – Con una piaga, Dio sterminò quattordicimilasettecento uomini.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Numeri, 21:3 – Il Signore affidò i Cananei ad Israele, che “votò allo sterminio i Cananei e le loro città.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Numeri, 21:6 – Il Signore “mandò tra il popolo dei serpenti velenosi i quali mordevano la gente, e gran numero d’Israeliti morirono.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Numeri, 21:35 – Con l’approvazione di Dio gli Israeliti si recarono nella città di Og, ne uccisero il re Basan – senza risparmiare i figli – sterminarono l’esercito senza lasciare superstiti, e assunsero il controllo del territorio.
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Numeri, 25:4 – “Il Signore disse a Mosè: Prendi tutti i capi del popolo e falli impiccare davanti al Signore, alla luce del sole, affinché l’ardente ira del Signore sia allontanata da Israele.“
steblizz 1 year ago
@shon368 Posso continuare scrivendo una buona metà della Bibbia, vuoi che vado avanti??
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz si ma citi il vecchio testamento quando DIO aveva come popolo suo Israele, quando scese Gesù creò la nuova dotrina ,ora bisogna credere in quello che dice Gesù,(Gv 14;6). il Venus project nn vuole il volere di Gesù,può sembrare all'apparenza,fidati amico sei ancora in tempo per tornare indietro
shon368 1 year ago
@shon368 aahahahahhahaaa !!! stupendo questo !!! insomma prima erano delle bestialità pero erano considerate normali, poi l'umanità si è evoluta e hanno cambiato le bestialità ! Vuoi che ti sommergo anche di roba dal nuovo testamento??
PS, non mi interessa paragonare il volere di Gesù con quello del VP
PPS, invece per te non c'è speranza amico, non hai alcuna possibilità di avanzare in avanti !
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz ma lo scopo della vita nn è quello,cmq non sono bestialità quelle del vecchio testamento...e spiegami anche se citassi tutta la bibbia,cosa vorresti dimostrare???
shon368 1 year ago
@shon368 se uno ci deve pure perdere tempo a spiegare cosa c'è da dimostrare ... davvero, non mi far merdere tempo, preferirei che te ne stessi nel tuo spazio a complotteggiare come fa la maggior parte di coloro che si credono di essere "meglio", il discorso finisce quì, tu hai scelto la tua strada, io la mia, io non ho provato a farti cambiare, tu invece hai tentato di cambiarmi. adDio, o per meglio dire, a mai più !
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz no,ascolta sei tu che sei venuto da me,ricordi,mi hai attaccato per primo con il commento sul mio video,cmq per me nn c'è ne rancore ne problema,se per te nn và più bene avere un dialogo con una persona che la pensa diversamente nn c'è problema sappì che la mia porta è sempre aperta .ciao
shon368 1 year ago
@shon368 e ti credo che sono arrivato io !! ma non per attaccare, adesso non giriamo la frittata come ci pare eeh !!! quel video attacca tutto il movimento !!
Se ancora non l'hai capito, Peter Joseph ha ammesso di aver sbagliato ad aver creato il documentario in quella maniera perchè sembra che attacca la gente religiosa, che in realtà è gente per bene, ma viene distorta dalle ISTITUZIONI RELIGIOSE, per questo Fresco si è espresso in questa maniera, "Venite con noi a FARE!!!", basta pregare !
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz io vi o attaccato,per un semplice motivo,noi cristiani che seguiamo la Bibbia,dobbiamo difendere a spada tratta e a testa alta il nome di Gesù,fidati che se il film parlava del Vaticano e vescovi ecc..fidati nn avrei mai fatto video contro di voi,infine smentisco le cazzate che vengon dette su Gesù,però quando parla del sistema corotto ecc..dice la verità zeitgeist .
shon368 1 year ago
@shon368 quindi per un errore di comportamento vale buttare via tutto il resto??? a parte il fatto che non vedo perchè mi deve fregare un cazzo di Gesu Cristo quando John Lennon diceva le stesse cose se non molto meglio ed era uno contemporaneo, quindi uno che può valere molto di più ed è stata a dir poco documentata la sua esistenza. Perchè mai devo leggere un libro di 2000 anni se stiamo evolvendo e cambiando continuamente?? Le boiate del vecchio testamento ora sono attrocità, per esempio.
steblizz 1 year ago
@steblizz per il semplice fatto che stai seguendo un essere umano,non il figlio di Dio,lo sai bene che gli insegnamenti di Gesù parlano di amore e come comportarsi sulla terra per vivere bene,ma mai nessun essere umano è mai riuscito ad dare insegnamenti cosi belli prima e dopo di Gesù,magari dopo di Gesù qualcuno ci ha provato,ma ha sempre preso spunto dal figlio di Dio.
shon368 1 year ago
il fatto che la maggior parte delle chiese si è venduta al sistema del denaro è vero,concordo,ma quando dice di spiegare ai veri cristiani che per il miglioramento dell'umanita di riunirli a questo "NUOVO CRISTIANESIMO" li ha detto na cazzata,perchè i veri cristiani quelli che seguono la vera dotrina cioè quella di Gesù nelle Sacre Scritture e non la chiesa cattolica di roma,sa che con l'andare del tempo non ci sarà un miglioramento dell'umanità,anzi ci sarà un peggioramento tanto che
shon368 1 year ago
Sweet lecture hall
rcacad 1 year ago
I wonder how the world appears to people who project such paranoia on genuinely good and beautiful ideas? I wonder what it feels like to have a "logic" that leads you to make/believe bullshit accusations about the movement being a cult, a scam, and all that other shit Anon spouts? I'd like to believe that people this damaged can be salvaged, but I find it hard. Mostly, I just want people like that to go and kill themselves and get out of progressives' hair. They're a cancer in today's world.
LazyTranslator 1 year ago
@LazyTranslator AAHAHAHAHHAAHHAA !!! You're right ! But don't get so angry, just ignore him and ignore all the people that behaves that way, they really will not do a thing to stop us because all they can do is joke with words, and they do it very bad!!
steblizz 1 year ago
@LazyTranslator Only people outsided the prison bars can say to those building there own prision around them, hey - your in a prison mate. ITS NOT OUR JOB TO INFIGHT WITH EACHOTHER ABOUT EACHOTHER OR THINK IN ANY WAY ITS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO UPHOLD EACHOTHER. If people choose darkness rather than peering into the light that others try to shine, thats there own fault. Its been my expirence, people fear infinate freedom, untill they actually expirence it.
rcacad 1 year ago
The most important part is to listen.
packleader1215 1 year ago 2
mikrobluess 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs
1. your not giving opinions, your spreading hate and propaganda
2. you are working towards a future you don't want to see??? thats wierd?
3. noone has wasted more time than you and your 50+ stolen edited video clips of harrassing propaganda
mikrobluess 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs
You can't provide any definitions of words because you are not able to it, it is not something you choose not to, you simply can't. whenever you try to, you fail and spew imaginary meanings.
1. Peter Joseph is not the leader of TZM he only started the movement
2. Jacque Fresco does not want to make a religious ZM, and you fail to provide the clip where he say what you claim. you twist his words to suit your agenda.
3. you propaganda fails because it is lies filled with nonsense
mikrobluess 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs No, you dont meassure anything based in reality, thats the whole issue here.
What is a cult?
lets see:
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
TZM has no leader, It is not unorthodox, it might be extreme to some, it doesnt support religion or sects, it doesnt live outside society.
Nope, TZM is not a cult.
So all your arguments fail again.
mikrobluess 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs Jacque Fresco has been working for 60+ years for social change, wich you turn into a mission to save the world! There is a difference in that social behavior is always changing, where as saving the world is an end goal. You notion of common sence is as far from common sence as it can be. Alot of change has been done and it is very tangible indeed. People are realising the root cause of problems now and not just treating the symptoms, one of the main tenets of TVP.
mikrobluess 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs Your socalled reality check would be like asking a patato how he feels about carrots! I hope you don't meassure your debate count on the number of members from your WEBSITE, wich is now an astonishing 9, compared to 8 a week ago. Your aim is clear. You wich to leech on a movement that you don't agree with to gain followers of your own sick agenda.
mikrobluess 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs Look I'm not going to argue with you about what's fact and what you think is fact. I've had many discussions on youtube with people who have similar attitudes as you, and it goes nowhere.
Razr89A 1 year ago
@Razr89A don't mind too much about people's words, it's just an input information for their synapsis, don't expect a good reaction all the time. I can assure you will find a change in a person, maybe you have to wait for years but it will happen, so don't mind to what they say all the time. I say this due to my experience with people in the real life or facebook. Truth makes them free, but they don't like it if they always lived in prison.
steblizz 1 year ago
@Razr89A you cant win an argument with a ignorant person, there just going to force you to communicate on there level and will always win by expirence.
rcacad 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs Where's the scam? What's the cult?
Razr89A 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs This shows your lack of knowledge on the specific field; if you're concerned about blueprints, he has tons. You would know this if you weren't trying to persuade everyone to drop TVP.
Razr89A 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs 400,000 sounds like an estimation of how many members we had a few years ago.
Razr89A 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs And I suppose you're the one to do it? It's been stated several times, but many people that our current education system is a joke; how exactly are drop-outs (some of which are incredibly smart) considered "credentialless."
Razr89A 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs There is alot of activism in TZM, right now we focus on awareness toward the real problems we face today. We meet with eachother and discuss how we can solve the problems, we debate on forums, we have teamspeak conferences, we support likeminded organization. We educate ourselfs and learn from eachother. We have Zday every year and alot of other things. We will eventually as we grow in numbers and get more experienced, become more practically active in building a testcity aswell.
mikrobluess 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs And you consider your work for taking action and doing something? what a joke! Once again your double moral shines right thrue!
The educational system varies alot from country to country and from school to school, nothing new there. educating people is taking action, your propaganda however is weak and filled with lies, and doesnt lead anyone in any direction other than a hatefull divided one.
mikrobluess 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs Yup, me too. We tried contacting them a while ago and
they told us nicely to get lost. Pretty weird thing to do if you "really" want to
build cities and change society.
Antikryst 1 year ago
@Anon13AllOfUs Summercamps already exist today as a dumbyard for parents not wanting or not taking time to spend with their children. Some parents are busy working in the monetary system to make a living for themselfs. Jacque merely proposes to educate children to get a true understanding of how things work. Otherwise they might end up like their parent, spewing lies and propaganda to obtain their goals. Just like you do now.
mikrobluess 1 year ago 3
I'm up for it!
ollepellex2k 1 year ago
I would like to help with the spanish subtitles. Please get in touch through pm. I'm part of the TZM Official Linguistic Team.
Cheers and thanks for this,
CK.
CristianKirk 1 year ago
It is a shame they are drinking bottled water. lol. Good video though.
skept1c615 1 year ago
@skept1c615 Why is it a shame? If you recycle your bottle when you're done with it, then you're not hurting the environment... necessarily.
Razr89A 1 year ago